35 lbs 15oz's
OK its official without running single ply tires and drilling out stuff and running xc stuff!
everything is as I race/huck it and trust it. No weird weight savings etc....
Boxxer WC made a big difference!!
Now theres going to be some up and downs but not much.
1: theres 3.5 scoops of stans per tire so I can run 1 per and be good.
-141g for less stans
2: the tires are heavy duty casings not single plys and they weigh approx. what my UST race tires weigh.
+80g for race tires HD
3: the thomson is coming off tomorrow and the twenty6 is going on
-50g for twenty6 stem
Also I will be building a wheelset laced to 721s or 5.1s for race that will shed 150g +
So my weights will hover between 35+ and 36+ ride/race ready! :thumbsup:
Changed the lowers to white and did the crowns to match! Im doing different custom decals so I put the factory ones on till then!
Saved some more weight over the Thomson stem! :thumbsup: with hardware the twenty6 was 130g the thomson X4 50mm was 180g so 50g less.
Build:
jedi large
roco wc air
boxxer wc
thomson x4 50mm stem
I9 wheelset 6.1 front dps 32 hoop rear
schwalbe black shark mud Heavy Duty casing 2.25 tires (just shy of a maxxis 2.5)
Middleburn rs7 cranks
xpedo mag pedals
King Ti headset
Answer pro taper OS bars
Formula the one disc brakes 203 front 165 rear
XO der
X9 shifter
ODI rogue Long grips
SDG Ibeam
SDG Ifly saddle
XTR cassette 11/34
34th dangerboy DH chain ring
E-13 LG1 guide
That's insane! Props!
Do you notice less stability with a overall lighter bike? ... Sort of missing that lead-sled feeling or does the lightness add nimbleness and let you float over the chatter and toss the bike into and out of manuvers more quickly (along with faster accel)?
That's insane! Props!
Do you notice less stability with a overall lighter bike? ... Sort of missing that lead-sled feeling or does the lightness add nimbleness and let you float over the chatter and toss the bike into and out of manuvers more quickly (along with faster accel)?
Yeah theres some movement of it but I used to do motorcross and desert so getting on top of the nasty keeping the weight centered and aimed and let the bike move is what Im used to. Theres not alot of deflection when you run the suspension softer, it takes the hits and rolls over vs. shooting sideways or weird angles. I run my suspension pretty suple as well and that helps alot wether its heavy or light.
Acceleration is alot faster in and out of stuff, the rotational mass on wheels is without a ? the biggest advantage. I have been running tubeless for 3 years now and love it, run a trail of stans on the outside of the bead but inside the lip then inflate. It seals the bead to the strip and or rim eliminating burping.
I can shave almost half a pound by running 721s or 5.1s for racing and 1 scoop of stans as well which would drop almost another lb which will be race day set up and also fr version tires on smoother course will shave anothe 1/2 lb.
How about Stan's Flow hoops in place of the 5.1 or 721? They've been proven to be fairly durable. The 5.1s are warm butter IME, 721s are solid though. The Flows would allow a lighter tubeless setup i believe.
yup. im jealous. that is basically my dreambike. besides the ibeam, but i havnt tried one of them since the one that came on my haro. and that bruised my gouche after one ride. maybe that is more comfy. but whatever.
Thanks! Yeah its nimble for sure. If the boxxer wc's are as durable as people say then it is a stout build. I know the 66RC3 that I just took off takes a serious beating and thats about the only difference between then and now so I know its a tough build.
How about Stan's Flow hoops in place of the 5.1 or 721? They've been proven to be fairly durable. The 5.1s are warm butter IME, 721s are solid though. The Flows would allow a lighter tubeless setup i believe.
LMAO! I knew when i originally built it Id go boxer wc at some point to see where it sat. Glad I did. Now I just need to get over the flu and sinus infection and Ill dial it in.
For starters the frame is 8.25lbs without shock, thats a biggy there.
Tubeless, air fork air shock, stupid light middleburns, XTR cassette, xpedo magnesium pedals, all the parts are light and with the exception of the Boxxer WC I have beatin the crap out of and hucked so I trust my build without a doubt. Theres no fat on this bike, it can be slimmed down another 3/4lb or so but that would be a race wheelset with lighter hoops and freeride tires. Aside of that I cant think of any areas to shave and be huck proof.
I got my jedi only down to a high 39 lbs. I am wanting to swap over to air shock! But don't know how well it would be. I am thinking of gettting the Roco WC. Any input you can give me on how well it's work for you. And what year is your roco? I hope there is no major bugs with the 09' stuff from the big "M".
So hopefully with the swap of the rear to air and I finally converted over to tubeless my jedi should be nice and light!!!
Oh and one more question how did if feel geomerty and ride wise with a single crown up front? I am thinking of getting a totem for fun.
I got my jedi only down to a high 39 lbs. I am wanting to swap over to air shock! But don't know how well it would be. I am thinking of gettting the Roco WC. Any input you can give me on how well it's work for you. And what year is your roco? I hope there is no major bugs with the 09' stuff from the big "M".
So hopefully with the swap of the rear to air and I finally converted over to tubeless my jedi should be nice and light!!!
Oh and one more question how did if feel geomerty and ride wise with a single crown up front? I am thinking of getting a totem for fun.
1: 08 ROCO WC air, absolutely plush and totaly responsive. For racing its the $hit and it takes getting slammed to flat landings and freeride perfect. Alot tougher than I thought, Lance and Chris will attest to it.
2: Geo with the 66RC3 was spot on, fast fun and nimble. I like it better than dual crowns, its just more lively feeling in the front. I just have the opportunity to run a (07) 888 rc2x WC, (08) 888 WC ATA, Fox 40 rc2 (07), (08) 66RC3 and now the Boxxer WC (08) so i have had alot of forks on there and the 66 is by far the best to date for the way I ride. The WC feels pretty lively so far but I need to dial it in and ride it a bunch to really get the feel.
The 66 is butter, Ronie did the works treatment as well as I had slippery silver stanchions put on it. Love that fork, still in my arsenal as my ace in the hole fork. :thumbsup:
Tubeless makes a great addition, go Ghetto and use the Schwalbe 20" tubes for it. They have moto schrader valves which are brass where they contact the rim, stainless threaded schrade with a little nut to lock them down to hold it tight! Only company I know that does all there tubes from 18" to 29" this way.
Ill be posting a htread about the tubes in a Ultimate tube for ghetto thread with pics in hte next week or so.
1: 08 ROCO WC air, absolutely plush and totaly responsive. For racing its the $hit and it takes getting slammed to flat landings and freeride perfect. Alot tougher than I thought, Lance and Chris will attest to it.
2: Geo with the 66RC3 was spot on, fast fun and nimble. I like it better than dual crowns, its just more lively feeling in the front. I just have the opportunity to run a (07) 888 rc2x WC, (08) 888 WC ATA, Fox 40 rc2 (07), (08) 66RC3 and now the Boxxer WC (08) so i have had alot of forks on there and the 66 is by far the best to date for the way I ride. The WC feels pretty lively so far but I need to dial it in and ride it a bunch to really get the feel.
The 66 is butter, Ronie did the works treatment as well as I had slippery silver stanchions put on it. Love that fork, still in my arsenal as my ace in the hole fork. :thumbsup:
Tubeless makes a great addition, go Ghetto and use the Schwalbe 20" tubes for it. They have moto schrader valves which are brass where they contact the rim, stainless threaded schrade with a little nut to lock them down to hold it tight! Only company I know that does all there tubes from 18" to 29" this way.
Ill be posting a htread about the tubes in a Ultimate tube for ghetto thread with pics in hte next week or so.
Thats good to hear, this was 36.8-38 last season based on DH tires and 888 atawc. It was easy to nanhandle and more fun at 36 so this and the boxxer should make for a fast in and out nimble ride!!!!
Its inagural race is either nationals in Socal or Sea Otter either wya Im racing the Otter! :thumb:
The problem is the parts are still straight and strong so no need to swap em, for new ones aside of new ones being shiny so I guess thats a good reason to keep whats on there. Id just end up replacing the stuff with the same stuff anywase!!!!
Also love the RC3. If I could find a sinlge crown air fork that's nearly as plush but a pound lighter, I'd have a good start...... (not going Boxxer WC ) Based on your review, I'm interested in the Rocco Air WC out back. What doesn't it do as well as a coil?
Just a note. The 721s are 590grams and the DT 5.1s are 500 gr.....so not really equivalent in the weight department. The 721s are also a good deal tougher and stiffer from what I read. The Flows are definitely light and strong. Though I've heard a few reports of flex, most reviews are stellar.
Also love the RC3. If I could find a sinlge crown air fork that's nearly as plush but a pound lighter, I'd have a good start...... (not going Boxxer WC ) Based on your review, I'm interested in the Rocco Air WC out back. What doesn't it do as well as a coil?
Just a note. The 721s are 590grams and the DT 5.1s are 500 gr.....so not really equivalent in the weight department. The 721s are also a good deal tougher and stiffer from what I read. The Flows are definitely light and strong. Though I've heard a few reports of flex, most reviews are stellar.
The roco wc air is amazing, I checked the air pressure 2 weeks ago and it was still where Ronnie set it up when I got it new. I have slammed the poor SOB to flat and into stuff SO MANY TIMES and hasnt given any problems at all. It rides amazing still, same as new but even smoother. Ill be taking it in for service just based on how many hours it has and riding style its way overdue but handling it fine..
Yeah Im checkin in on the stans rims today and possible dp28s by syncros as well. I just need a light wheelset for racing lighter courses and mixxed with the fr version tires Im putting on the race rims it will drop almost 1lb + off the bike.
I dont know about the 66 ata never rode it but if it responds as well as it big brother the 888 wcata Id rock it in a heart beat.
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