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    Cool-blue Rhythm A Balfa Thread - figured I'd start one

    I know there are some Balfa riders waiting in the wings to post in this new forum right? So I figured I'd start a thread where we can post about our rigs and throw up some photos and stuff.

    Here's a few Balfa Shots to get it going:




    I've spent one full season on my Belair and I'm very very happy with it - it can do a little bit of everything really. A truly fun bike!


    Soon the Psylo will be gone and a new Manitou Minute will take it's place! May also work on adding a Risse external reservoir to give the Fox Float RL a little more air volume - I rode one set up like this when I was deciding on this full suspension bikes and liked it a lot - and it's only about a $75 project.

    Cheers,

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    Okay what did I do wrong with the images?

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    Let's try again

    Maybe inserting them as attachments will work
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    figured I'd add the standard bike and couch image too

    Here's a shot of my 2Step DH, that is now being happily ridden by a young kid in Boulder Colorado!
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    Gonna try again a more old fashioned way

    From when the bike was being first built up last year:


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    I've changed tires, stems back and forth, since the initial build - but one thing remains constant, the bike rocks!

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    These are two shots of me on my Belair from the summer of 2003. The first is from Nepaug State Forest in New Hartford CT and the second one is from Case Mountain in Manchester, CT - two great places to ride in the Greater Hartford Area.

    The third one is me landing a sweet jump at Nepaug - part of a downhill section that includes two really nice jumps - one you have to get speed and get distance but you can't get much height so it's tricky, and the second one is just a sweet jump attached to a stump that launches you perfectly into a nice landing area below.
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    Nice pics ! It's cool to see the bike in action too (but who's this guy on it ? ;-) Just a question : what's the weight of your Belair (as is) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerome
    Nice pics ! It's cool to see the bike in action too (but who's this guy on it ? ;-) Just a question : what's the weight of your Belair (as is) ?
    I'd say my Belair is in the 27-28 pound range, but that's how I want it. The beauty in the frame in my opinion is that it can easily serve as a lightish xc rig or as a rock solid trail bike as I have it set up.

    I am going to put a Minute 3 on it for 2004.

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    Minuteman...

    Here is my '03 Minuteman with a Boxxer. A very solid ride. Cannot recommend it enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtd
    Here is my '03 Minuteman with a Boxxer. A very solid ride. Cannot recommend it enough.

    Jake
    Sharp looking Minute Man! Where are you located? Do you use it exclusively for freeriding or do you race DH on it as well??

    What's your thought of the army green up close? I've seen one 2Step FR in that color and I liked it a lot.

    Have fun on that MM!

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    Minuteman...

    Mark-
    I am in the Seattle Area. My minuteman is my only bike and I use it for everything from riding on the Shore, DJ, urban, trailriding, Whistler, etc... It does everything well. Whistler is a little painful after about 10 runs, but it is still good times. It is such a solid ride. As for the color.... I love it. It is a lot more green than I expected, but I like it more than I expected also. Here is a little urban action at UW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtd
    Mark-
    I am in the Seattle Area. My minuteman is my only bike and I use it for everything from riding on the Shore, DJ, urban, trailriding, Whistler, etc... It does everything well. Whistler is a little painful after about 10 runs, but it is still good times. It is such a solid ride. As for the color.... I love it. It is a lot more green than I expected, but I like it more than I expected also. Here is a little urban action at UW.
    Cool Shot! Looks like the minuteman suits you well!

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    pics don't work
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    insurance pic, so it sucks but she's here...and she rides soooo nice...
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    here's mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikergeoff
    here's mine
    Hey are you on the NEMBA forum as well? How do you like that with an AVy on it?

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    yeah i'm on nemba. i like the avy alot, but i think it will feel alot better when i get it re-valved for my weight

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    One of a kind BB7

    Here's a shot of my bud's old school BB7. Check the custom chrome-dipped rear triangle.

    Wheelie shot.
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    Keep this thread alive!!!

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    woah - that's a dead sexy bb7!!!! What year is it??

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    It's an '03 with a '02 Super T (ya the good one )

    Best bike i've ever owned. Sweetness all around

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    2 Step review HD

    Hello former Balfa 2step HD/DH owners. I would like a serious review on the Balfa 2 step DH or HD. I have found most reviews are leaning more over a bias standpoint.
    As a matter of fact, I can't find any review that talks badly about the frame. This is good... I know, but I also am aware these same reviewers have there frames up For sale. Why sell, when it says that you love the bike in the review.
    Could anybody enlighten me with potential flaws with this bike. I am considering buying one. I would like a truly honest oppinion, with all the faults.

    thanks, Alain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionit
    Hello former Balfa 2step HD/DH owners. I would like a serious review on the Balfa 2 step DH or HD. I have found most reviews are leaning more over a bias standpoint.
    As a matter of fact, I can't find any review that talks badly about the frame. This is good... I know, but I also am aware these same reviewers have there frames up For sale. Why sell, when it says that you love the bike in the review.
    Could anybody enlighten me with potential flaws with this bike. I am considering buying one. I would like a truly honest oppinion, with all the faults.

    thanks, Alain
    Alain - if the bike you are considering is a 2003 - then I'd be leery of a really low bottom bracket for a bike designed to do what the 2Step DH is designed to do.

    However if it is a 2004 2Step HD - then I would give it serious consideration if the price is right.

    You see 2003 was the first year for the 2Step DH and many significant improvements were made in 2004 (higher bottom bracket height, improved chainline, ability to run more types of shocks etc. etc.)

    If you decide to get the bike and it is a 2003 - then I highly recommend getting 170mm crank arms to help with the low bottom bracket height - otherwise you'll probably be nailing your pedals a lot on rocks and whatnot.

    Good luck!!!

    And if you get one - post photos!!

    Mark

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    My 2Step FR

    Here's my custom painted '03 "poop brown" 2Step FR. I bought it from an ex-Balfa guy who's now working for Rocky Mountain. It's a super sweet ride. Getting a bit lighter-duty wheelset and hopefully a Fox Vanilla or Z1 Freeride (standard QR) for the long-hauls.
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    thanks,Blafa 2step oppinions.

    Thanks for the honest opinions. That is a nice rig Mike E. When I see a 2step HD frame I am going to buy. Even if it's brown. The brown looks good anyway.

    MMcG, I was looking at the new IronHorses and they have the exact linkage and rear axle path as the 2Step DH. This guy called Dave Weagle is taking credit for the design at Iron horse http://www.dw-link.com/. I wonder if this guy is for real or a product of Iron horse's marketing division. Putting all MTB industry conspiracies aside it appears to be a great design.

    All this claiming of intellectual property is getting me dizzy.
    The world of mountain biking, they have really got the consumer by the hook.

    See ya. thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionit
    Thanks for the honest opinions. That is a nice rig Mike E. When I see a 2step HD frame I am going to buy. Even if it's brown. The brown looks good anyway.

    MMcG, I was looking at the new IronHorses and they have the exact linkage and rear axle path as the 2Step DH. This guy called Dave Weagle is taking credit for the design at Iron horse http://www.dw-link.com/. I wonder if this guy is for real or a product of Iron horse's marketing division. Putting all MTB industry conspiracies aside it appears to be a great design.

    All this claiming of intellectual property is getting me dizzy.
    The world of mountain biking, they have really got the consumer by the hook.

    See ya. thanks for the help.
    Weagle is the real deal in my opinion - he's the guy behind Evil bikes and E-thirteen components too.

    I now own an Iron Horse Hollowpoint and I'm excited to give it a go this season (and hopefully for years to come). A friend who owns one called it's ride like an FSR bike on crack - and he meant that in a highly positive way.

    I suspect that the 2Step design and the DW design differ slightly if not quite a bit - regardless I owned a 2STep DH demo bike and I loved it - but the 2003 first year run had that issue with too low of a bottom bracket.

    Find a 2004 if you can - I suspect there are still some left in the inventory of Procycle as well and if you'd like I could check with them for you. I still remain in contact as I used to work as a part time sales rep for Balfa - now I help riders get spare parts etc. etc.

    Or.......if you want a 2STep FR - I think Mike E. there just might be willing to sell his to you.

    Cheers,

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    Procycle contact.

    Hey MMcG.

    I already sent them an e-mail to [email protected]. Asking if they had any Balfa 2Step DH 2004's in stock, they have not replied yet. That is great that you have links to Procycle. I knew I asked the right person about the bike. I wouldn't want to trouble you but if I can't get a hold of someone their on my own. It could be allot more efficient if you lead me to talk to the right person. Someone with the right authorisation would speed my search so much more. Or at least put to rest these ideals I have for my dream bike.

    Thanks.

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    this is my baby, love it but this is my first time posting on this forum, so if the pic doesnt work dont hold it against me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionit
    Hey MMcG.

    I already sent them an e-mail to [email protected]. Asking if they had any Balfa 2Step DH 2004's in stock, they have not replied yet. That is great that you have links to Procycle. I knew I asked the right person about the bike. I wouldn't want to trouble you but if I can't get a hold of someone their on my own. It could be allot more efficient if you lead me to talk to the right person. Someone with the right authorisation would speed my search so much more. Or at least put to rest these ideals I have for my dream bike.

    Thanks.
    I'll see what I can find out for you.

    Both sizes (regular and long) and both colors (gunmetal grey, Gloss Black) are available with shock options of a 5th Element or Fox Vanilla RC .

    Check your PMs
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    mmm new fork, yesss



    Now I just need some of those new yellow Deemax's coming out, i'll be all set

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    Just wanted to let all you Balfa owners know that Procycle has sold the brand to a British company. They promise to revitalize the brand, unlike Procycle who killed it. They have some frames/bikes left for those of you that are interested. Mighty pricey though.
    http://www.balfa.co.uk/

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    anyone still read this thread???

    hi,

    i have a line on one of the last brand new bel-airs left in canada, i was hoping craigH or another bel-air owner could chime in on how the bike rides for epic xc/aggressive trail riding. i already have a balfa 2step and wouldn't trade it for the world, but it's set up at 45 lbs...


    thanks anyone!!!
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    got the belair, sweet bike. 29# with a psylo (hate the fork will be changed soon), it's been out on a couple easy rides. the geometry is identical to that of my 2step. so is the insanely irritating chainline...
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    got the belair, sweet bike. 29# with a psylo (hate the fork will be changed soon), it's been out on a couple easy rides. the geometry is identical to that of my 2step. so is the insanely irritating chainline...
    Yup.
    Happy to see someone is still interested. I must say Balfa owners should have their own owner’s group forum. I would start own myself if only I new how to use PHBB or something like that.
    I don't know anything about the belair. I think it has good geo if I can remember correctly. Like a toned down Freeride bike. What is up with the chain line ferday.

    Balfa owners could verywell use a comunity. The brand has a transending quality that people still speak of. In my opinion it could turn into a cult like following (in every good sence of the term)

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    Not a Balfa really, but close...

    The only one in Western Canada, and I got it!

    10lbs exactly as shown. I'm putting a DHX Air or 4 Way air on it sometime soon.
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    Look Mark finally I found a two Step HD in size large...


    i will have the frame home by the middle of next week.and already have all the parts to build it so will be rolling soon after


    currentlly I have a large FR that i enjoy extremlly.that i got from skyst3alth


    they are extremlly well crafted and design if anything a little heavy, but i'm sure will last a long time.


    Before the blue one I have the same model in size regular but sadlly was a little to small for my big body.


    actually i really miss the little one,,so far (after about 67 mountain bikes in 25 years) is pretty much the funnest frame to ride i ever own,,


    long life to the Balfa guys were ever they are.. and thanks to MMcG "mark" for all his help and sopport

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    Congradulations patineto. The 2step is a really good ride.
    I owe my thanks to MMcG also.

    Hey [email protected] Wow the only Appalache in Upper america. Good luck at the races with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionit
    Congradulations patineto. The 2step is a really good ride.
    I owe my thanks to MMcG also.

    Hey [email protected] Wow the only Appalache in Upper america. Good luck at the races with it.
    Upper America?!!! J/K

    I knew exactly where the Balfa BB7 could've been improved and this frame has addressed all those concerns and more. I'm stoked on riding it.

    I'm also repping for Knolly Bikes, so I'm torn between the two. I'll have to get some time in on the Delirium frame so I can have the best of both worlds.

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    I got my new (to me) Balfa 2-Step HD yesterday and already build it..is a 2003 next to the last production year of the model the 04' feature a taper down tube, the one i have usses a none taper one..

    here are some pictures for your pleasure.





    I'm going to try to run a two chainring set up on it, so far is a little problematic because the rear triangle hits the derreileur since the lower links moves pretty much in a vertical path.


    I even made a nice chainstay warp ussing a "Mister tuffy" tyre protector,, works extremlly well is quiet, looks nice and for sure is super dupper Tuffy..


    Any way i'm super impress with the design and quality of this bikes,they are so simple and honest i'm sure is going to last for a long time, i just wish they were a little lighter but is no big deal.
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    nice to see that there is still interest in the greatest of canadian bikes! i can't wait till appalache creates some more FR/XC type frames, i'll be first on the list...

    ps. ionit....the chainline is very difficult to get straight on teh balfas due to weird clearances on the rear end. once it's set it's all good though. nice rides guys, i want the olive green minuteman near the top of the post...





    sorry for the poser pics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    nice to see that there is still interest in the greatest of canadian bikes! i can't wait till appalache creates some more FR/XC type frames, i'll be first on the list...
    I glad to know i'm not the only crazy for them...

    this little Balfa's Rule..

    ps. ionit....the chainline is very difficult to get straight on teh balfas due to weird clearances on the rear end. once it's set it's all good though. nice rides guys, i want the olive green minuteman near the top of the post...
    You know i run old school square Taper XTR on Blue one with a 113 philwood (adjustable) bottom bracket with out any trouble,,actually i bevel the edges of the crank (back side of the pedals a little, since they were very close to the chainstays (my fault since I run a really thick chainstay protector )on the FR and the chain line is pretty much optimal, the only "problem" so far is the 46T chainring riders a little to close to the chainstay (about 3MM) and 2-3 times i got chain suck that way,,, the HD 2-Step configuration is very dferent but i still think you can run a similar set up (I run two rings and a E-13 guide)

    first TWO squematic (borrow from the english company that sells them now)
    the FR geometry


    This is the HD, notice how the lower linkage runs above the Bottom bracket on this model and under the BB on the FR you have


    side by side "posser" Foto, sorry for the messy workshop.
    I trade shock in between the two bikes yesterday.


    Now the Avalanche is on the Grey one and the Foz vanilla is on the Blue one.



    oh are you running the cables on this bike (i never see on of them in person),,,,zipties...!?!?
    do they come with typical "bolt on guides" or not...?
    I quess will be impossible for the back one, since the shock resides inside the frame


    sorry for the poser pics...
    I love the green color...Ah perfect posser coment or what..
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    Here is mine, tough I sold it last week-end!





    Well, it's now time to wait for the M3

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    Nice Balfa's. I just bought a brand new 2003 2step dh frame. It's never been built, found it at a local shop. Can't wait to build it up and ride it this season.

    I've seen a few people running e.thirteen chain guides on thiers. I thought it wasn't compatible to run one on a 2step, according to the ethirteen website it's not do-able. Do you have an e.thirteen on your Balfa 2step? Which guide model are you running? Did it go on easy, or take some modification and struggle? I already have an e.thirteen srs but thought I couldn't use it on this bike, and was going to buy an MRP.


    Also, any set-up tips for my 2step? I'm going to start building next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phade1_98
    Nice Balfa's. I just bought a brand new 2003 2step dh frame. It's never been built, found it at a local shop. Can't wait to build it up and ride it this season.
    Good for you i warranty you "love at first ride" and " Tuxocs smile sindrom since you can not stop grinning after you get on it..

    I've seen a few people running e.thirteen chain guides on thiers. I thought it wasn't compatible to run one on a 2step, according to the ethirteen website it's not do-able. Do you have an e.thirteen on your Balfa 2step? Which guide model are you running? Did it go on easy, or take some modification and struggle? I already have an e.thirteen srs but thought I couldn't use it on this bike, and was going to buy an MRP.
    well Evil never meet ricky and his dremmel, actually the E-13 was really simple to install (on my 2003 at least) with verry little grindings, for a few days i run a guide for a Single but currentlly i run the daul ring with a heavilly modified comvensional front derreiluers since the chainstay was hitting cage when the suspension got compress.

    I will try to istall it, specially if you have one already, since the other brands are just not even close to the quality of the E-13 stuff



    Also, any set-up tips for my 2step? I'm going to start building next week.
    well many can tell you about the suspension better than I can but i will suggest.
    *take the linkages apart and use a little x-acto knife or something sharp to take the bearing seals and then add grease since i notice they come kind of drie from the factory, so far locktyde is not necesary but is always a good thing to apply just in case.

    *the chainstays flex a little so be sure to leave at least 3mm clearance for the a cranks (will hit next to the pedals) Plus is nice to have some wraping on it like "mister tuffy"

    *i like to run my cables from the left levers to the right and viseversa and route them inside the frame gussets and then crossing the wires underneat the downtube, is a little thick but works extremlly well.
    for example i run the rear shifter and the rear brake right on top of the linkages with very little grow, works exelent, no shifting ghost and very clean and scracth free.


    Here is the whole foto gallery of thatbike

    more comments when i'm more awake.

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    Great tips. Thanks. Can't wait to start building it.

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    hey guys, just picked up a minuteman to add to the balfa fleet, i'll post pics this weekend! now all i need is a bb7...!

    and phade, i run a DRS on my 2step, required a bit of grinding but it's obvious where it needs to be done once you set the thing up.
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    Cool thread, hopefully i can contribute to it soon.

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    so heres the minuteman, it's old skool styles, i'm waiting on pricepoint for some brakes. also got a fork for the belair (am sl) and getting the rear shock push'd.



    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Ricardo - regarding cable routing on the Belair - there are some guides that you can use to run cable along the frame - not perfect, but they are there.

    I had a Belair and it was one helluva fun bike. I should have gotten a Long frame instead of a regular.

    had I done that I probably wouldn't have gone through so many damned bikes in the last couple of years.

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    i love the cable routing on the balfas, it makes a nice swoop with the cables that follows the frame perfectly. in fact, i love everything about all the balfas! only the minuteman is different as it has conventional routing (and a conventional TT for that matter...)

    it's too bad there isn't many out there, i would love to see more pics and stuff, they inspire the same way turner does for the "homers". i guess we'll wait and see if appalache makes a version of the 2step...
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    A few pics of my balfa bb7:






    I probably get the ROCO for it if it fits.

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    cool rigs guys, i found this barely used '03 2step DH for dirt cheap and decided to give it a few updates. This fork matches the bike incredibly well future updates include Avid juicy's and possibly a SS conversion. peace

    ride hard, is there any other way?

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    sweet bike cdnryder, not too many of those around anymore. i love seeing a "new" balfa getting ridden.

    post some ride pics, no one ever does! should you ever need, you may find spare parts at www.balfa.co.uk
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    Nice 2Step DH right there. Be careful of pedal strikes as the bottom brackets were really low on those 1st generation 2Step DHs.

    Cool to see this thread bumped back up.

    I'd still love to get my hands on a 2STep FR!!!

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    Nice 2 StepDH cdnryder. I have the same one, similar set up. Some say the bottom bracket has a low height, which it does, I haven't had to much problems with hitting it. If you feel you need to try getting just slighty shorter crank arms. I'm run 170's just abit shorter, dont notice a difference. Only have ever hit it once or twice.

    Hey MMcG i know a shop in toronto that has a 2step FR frame, same place I got my 2stepDH. Also I think you can still buy them from the UK balfa site.

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    What's the name of the shop that has the 2Step FR??

    Oh and if anyone wants a slightly use Long Belair check out the buy and sell on nsmb.com Chris Donahue has two long belairs up for sale with seatpost and front derailleur included!

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    How about this for a Balfa blast from the past!

    Wooly Bully!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    How about this for a Balfa blast from the past!

    Wooly Bully!!



    **gasp**

    where did you find that? if anyone ever knows of a regular(small) wooly bully, NR, etc. for sale, please please PM me
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    The store is cycle solutions, they have two location is Toronto.

    Its the downtown loacation that has it on Parliment Street.

    http://www.cycle-solutions.com/

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    Balfa 2 Step FR

    Hi guys...here's my new 2-Step FR, hasn't even had it's maiden voyage yet! Can't wait to get on it this weekend...the driveway test has got me stoked to get it on some real trail...







    Ugh, that's bad image quality...sorry. She's much purdier in person...

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    Holy Crap that's stellar looking! Did you buy it through Balfa UK??

    How do you like the air shock on it? And what model Cane Creek hoops are those? Any sense of weight on that thing?? Gorgeous!

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    Haven't checked the weight yet...will do tonight. I'm guessing...drum roll...34 lbs. We'll see.

    I've always wanted a Cane Creek wheelset...really wanted the Duros, but they stopped making them. So those are the Terros. I'm a little afraid that they might be a bit light with only a 24 mm width and 28 spokes, but I'm hoping I'm underestimating them.

    Did buy through Balfa UK - they are great guys. Recommended. It was a large demo bike. Frame and a few bits cost Ģ575. I'm quite happy with that!

    Air shock passes the driveway test, we'll see how it handles high speed trail chatter. I've traditionally been a coil man, but this could convert me...until it blows up...

    -Aaron

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    Balfa 2step

    Hey guys,

    Someone said there is a new 2step for sale somewhere??
    Where is it and when was it last seen. Putting out an APB for that frame!!
    Thanks

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    Belair

    Couldn't find the Belair on nsmb. Can someone tell me how to get there. I used to have a 2step, should never have sold it long ago - would love another or belair!!

    Please point me in the right direction guys....

    Simon

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    balfas on nsmb.com

    hey lmbrjck,

    you can go to nsmb.com's "buy and sell" pages, and search for "balfa", which should give you something like this link: http://buysell.nsmb.com/showcat.php?...ype=1&si=balfa

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    Quote Originally Posted by slo_rider
    hey lmbrjck,

    you can go to nsmb.com's "buy and sell" pages, and search for "balfa", which should give you something like this link: http://buysell.nsmb.com/showcat.php?...ype=1&si=balfa
    Chris Donaghue - yep that Chris Donaghue - has or had two Long Belair frames for sale.

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    New Balfa Owner!!

    Well welcome me back to the Balfa owners family!!!
    Just bought a great condition 2 Step up her in Canada. Very good condition, front triangle great condition - bright red/gloss sparkly red.... I described it to my girlfriend on the way home as "bright sparkle hooker lipstick red".
    Just saw it - went to look at it, and couldn't turn down with such a great price!
    I will attach some pics later.

    Questions - what rear shock dimensions would I need - the one included was a misfitting RC - seems too big - so I will get something else. Any recommmendations?? I like coil - although I have never had any of the new air shocks - but bad luck with the older ones (2000-2002) styles.
    I am heavier - 200 to 210 - depending on gear, etc....

    Also - the rear end on this frame is in good condition, straight dropout and clean disc mount, etc. however it is a slightly different red - just a regular red - not the sparkly bright gloss of the front. I am assuming it was changed or swapped at some time, but it is true and clean so thats ok.... Any info on this, are the rear ends different slightly in the red??
    What about bearings - if someone knows all this stuff - maybe they can answer all my questions!! Any info on what kind,where to get them? They seem good now - but I plan on using this for a while!!

    Thanks in advance - I will post some pics later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lmbrjck
    Well welcome me back to the Balfa owners family!!!
    Just bought a great condition 2 Step up her in Canada. Very good condition, front triangle great condition - bright red/gloss sparkly red.... I described it to my girlfriend on the way home as "bright sparkle hooker lipstick red".
    Just saw it - went to look at it, and couldn't turn down with such a great price!
    I will attach some pics later.

    Questions - what rear shock dimensions would I need - the one included was a misfitting RC - seems too big - so I will get something else. Any recommmendations?? I like coil - although I have never had any of the new air shocks - but bad luck with the older ones (2000-2002) styles.
    I am heavier - 200 to 210 - depending on gear, etc....

    Also - the rear end on this frame is in good condition, straight dropout and clean disc mount, etc. however it is a slightly different red - just a regular red - not the sparkly bright gloss of the front. I am assuming it was changed or swapped at some time, but it is true and clean so thats ok.... Any info on this, are the rear ends different slightly in the red??
    What about bearings - if someone knows all this stuff - maybe they can answer all my questions!! Any info on what kind,where to get them? They seem good now - but I plan on using this for a while!!

    Thanks in advance - I will post some pics later.
    YOu probably have an upgraded front triangle as there were some issues with Balfa providing new dual crown compatible front triangles for certain model year 2Steps

    The shock size is 7.875 x 2.0 I think - or it might be 7.875x 2.25 - I'll try and double check for you.

    You might be able to see that information on the balfa uk site - not sure though - or by doing a google search on teh 2step.

    Keep an eye on ebay as from time to time bearing kits for Balfa frames show up.

    Get some photos up when you can!!!

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    what rear shock dimensions would I need
    you'll need a 7.875" i2i shock. you can use either a 2.0 stroke, or a 2.25 stroke, either works fine. i run an older (2003) fox RC coil 2.25 stroke, feels really good on this bike. i highly recommend a coil spring shock for this ride. careful with your rear spring rate, bottoming out the rear too often can cause bad things to happen.

    the bearings required are 6001-2RS (ask any bearing shop, or go to www.enduroforkseals.com), you need eight of them. make sure you get the 2RS version, they are sealed.

    have fun, the 2step is still my favorite bike.
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    This should help:




    Stock shock size is 7.875x2.0 and for most the stock shock was a Fox Vanilla RC.

    It wasn't until the 2004 2Steps that Balfa tried out the Swinger Airs on them - I think they were opting for a more Trail Bike oriented 2STep in that final year vs. the older style 2STeps which were more freeride oriented.

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    2Step

    Thanks guys!

    The reason I thought the RC was too big was it seemed to be in contact with the sloping toptube at extension. There is actually a mark or slightest ding/dent where the top of the shock touches the toptube. I did a rough measure and I got 7 7/8 inches. Any ideas on that? Does the top of the shock normally touch the bottom of the toptube?

    I think I attached some pics - never done this - so if it doesn't work I will try again.

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    sweet ride!

    your mainframe is a new one, you can tell because most didn't come stock with the headtube gussets, that was a request item. that's likely why the paint is slightly different.

    i'm using the exact same shock you are, i have no problem with it hitting the top tube, although it is very, very close.
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    2Step shock

    Thanks ferday....

    I am going to take a picture of it - something just isn't right. I will try and show the little dent. No way should it be hitting the bottom of the tube. Maybe I measured the shock wrong.

    Also - you mentioned spring weight... what do you ride on the RC?? I am 200-210 (depending on breakfast and gear).

    I will get a few pics of the shock area later.

    Thanks again

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    That definitely looks like a 2003 Front triangle paired to a 2002 rear triangle. The shock may hit the frame ever so slightly. This happened from time to time with Balfa frames. The 2Step DH first year frame that I carried as a Demo bike had an issue of the shock ever so slightly hitting the frame, but it just barely touched.

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    This is the frame I mentioned above. The shock just barely hit that cured area on the front triangle.

    Your front triangle is defnitely a 2003 era - you can tell by the side gusseting on it vs. some of the older 2STeps who didn't have htis gusseting.

    This thread is making me all nostalgic for my Balfa days.

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    2Step

    Sure am excited to get it built

    Here are some pics of the dent/ding on the bottom of the top tube I was talking about. Only real trouble spot for a older frame! This can't be normal? The guy I bought it of of didn't really ride it - the original owner rode it XC. So me being a bigger guy at just over 200lbs, I am worried about riding the frame with this RC that makes contact. Love this frame and will spend a bit to get a better fitting shock.

    What about the Romic's or 5th's - would they work well with this suspension design. Being a heavier guy - do you think I need some for of 'platform shock' for this design??

    So what do you think - maybe up to a romic, 5th, what about a RP3 or 3.1Pearl. Never ridden those, however I did have a 5th on my DH bike - and it was quite reliable....

    Thanks - someone needs to start a Balfa club!
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    I always liked the looks of this one.




    Another nice one in blue:



    In 2004 they went to RAD or RAD like tubing up front - probably a cost saving move since Balfa and Rocky Mountain were/are under the Procycle corporate hand.



    This is the stock complete 2Step FR for 2003 - as you can see it would have been nicer had Balfa stocked a more capable freeride fork for the bike that year:




    And here's a good look at the 2004 version of the 2Step HD (Heavy Duty)





    This one's for ferday!

    NR!!



    Bobonum!!!




    i was supposed to visit Montreal to meet these guys when I repped for them, but never got up there to do so:



    Here's what the stock Belair looked like in 2003 - except mine came with an Easton stem rather than an FSA:



    And here's a really nice raw Minuteman:



    And you can't forget the bb7 baby!!




    oh and this is a rare one as well:

    This was to be the BAlfa 2STep 4X frame for 2004 with slightly tweaked geometry from the Balfa 2Step FR:



    Hope you enjoyed this little photo snapshot of Balfas.

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    2step

    I think I may have figured out the RC problem. What spring would you recommend. Again, 200-210 lbs. Like things stiff.
    Also - read a bit about f/der concerns. What do you recommend. Tell me what works well - and I will get one. Don't necessarily need the best and greatest - but if something works well - let me know.

    Thanks

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    regarding your spring rate....i ride a 450lb spring, i'm about 170 with gear.
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    MMcG....thanks for the pics! i'd love to add a BB7 to the fleet....and that raw minuteman is easily the hottest hardtail i've ever seen!

    lmbrjck - i would estimate about a 600 or 650 spring rate, you might even use a 700 for a bit firmer ride. there is absolutely no need for a platform shock on these amazing bikes.
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    ferday - you'd then have almost the whole collection minus the 2Step DH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    ferday - you'd then have almost the whole collection minus the 2Step DH!
    LOL....i would love to have the entire collection, including all the weird older models. i know some people on the VRC forum collect klein, bontrager etc. why not balfa!

    my minuteman is currently pulling road duty *gasp*...it makes one heck of a 32 lb road bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    LOL....i would love to have the entire collection, including all the weird older models. i know some people on the VRC forum collect klein, bontrager etc. why not balfa!

    my minuteman is currently pulling road duty *gasp*...it makes one heck of a 32 lb road bike
    GASP!

    What about the Inbred 29er for road duty instead?

    Unless when you mean road duty you mean road duty like Chris Donaghue would mean road duty

    Cheers,

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    What about the Inbred 29er for road duty instead?

    Unless when you mean road duty you mean road duty like Chris Donaghue would mean road duty
    LOL...i'm a bit too old for concrete dorps to falt, although i do hit the skatepark here and there. the balfa is actually set up as a converted "roadie" / commuter right now until the winter is over and my other roadie comes off the trainer.

    the inbred is my SS-only XC race machine, so it's setup pretty specifically and would make a horrible roadie right now....
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    Hi Again

    Ok - What about a front fork??
    I can get great deals on RS. Pike or Revelation....140mm, 130mm. Any experience on either? Pike is nice with the 20 mm axle - but I am sure nowadays that the forks are pretty strong - and anything under movie type stunts would be ok on a good reg axle fork?
    Thoughts?

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    Ok - What about a front fork??
    I can get great deals on RS. Pike or Revelation....140mm, 130mm
    i'd personally use the Pike, as i feel the 2step deserves the extra travel and burlyness.
    i run a z-150 on mine it has a huge a2c. if you run a shorter, lighter fork like the Rev the 2step changes into a singletrack machine (albeit a heavy one)
    the bike has a 69' HA with a fox RLC 130mm, so with the Rev you'll be around the same, with the pike you'll be around 67-68 range.
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    Go for the Pike! No question!

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    BB axle length and F/der type. - 2Step

    What is the best BB axle length for this frame - 73 X ??. No chainguide.
    Also - best front derailleur - what are you running without any problems??

    Thanks again.

    Best BB width.
    Best F/der.

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    you absolutely require a top clamp bottom swing front derailleur. there is little clearance in there, the new bottom clamp top swing don't fit. any old shitmano will work fine, i'm using an XT. here is what a top clamp looks like. i'm almost positive the spec'd BB spindle is 113, i'm currently using a 121 with a DRS chainguide. i've also used a 118 with success.
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    2Step BB

    Thanks so much ferday!

    Thats great - I have a 73 X 118 - I will give it a try. Thanks for the derailleur advice too - that will be next!

    Simon

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    2Step Bearings

    Hey ferday or MMcG or anyone else....

    How would you change these bearings? No shop around here would have done this before on these.
    Ferday gave me specs to get from EnduroForkSeals - but how would I change them??

    Special tools - process - help?
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    thread a long bolt into the shaft. smash the bolt hard with a hammer, the shaft will come out (it only goes one way, look for the lip on one side). you need a long bolt because you'll have to keep smashing all the way through.

    once the shaft is out you can use a puller or just hit the bearing with a screwdriver from the other side.

    edit: if that doesn't make sense, i'll try to take some pictures this weekend for you.
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    2Step bottom linkages

    Hi,

    Looking at 2Step photos on google, it appears on most (from what you can tell) that the bottom linkage plate might be different that the way I pictured it attached.

    It is apart right now, so can't check.

    On the google pics, it seems that on the bottom linkage - the longer end is attached to the front triangle, and the shorter end is attached to the rear???

    Seems weird - any info - if you look at the bottom linkage - is the short or long end attached to the f/triangle. Look at the pic attached - it shows the short end attached to the f/triangle - is this right??

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    hrmmm......that must be a 2002 or so rear triangle and linkage plate set up.

    So perhaps yours do need to be flip flopped around so they look more like the ones in this pic below:

    Here is a good shot of how the lower plates look on a 2003 frame:

    Last edited by MMcG; 04-06-2007 at 09:06 AM.

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    HEre are a couple of good links for the 2Step:

    http://www.feedthehabit.com/featured...step_side.html - additional pictures here too.

    Review here too: http://www.feedthehabit.com/gear_rev...lfa_2step.html

    This bike is now being ridden by a guy in Connecticut. I told him to give me first dibs if he ever sells it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I always liked the looks of this one.


    You, sir, have excellent taste in bikes!

    This frame is unfortunately cracked now. It has lived a good life filled with plenty of kilometers of nice singletracks.

    This was the original 2001 rear triangle. Note the dual vertical steel rods on the swingarm. It was the one and only year they built it that way. The front triangle is a 2003 that I got from the recall.

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    I'm sorry to hear of the demise of the 2Step A.P. - what did you replace it with?

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    A Devinci Frantik 3, Totem Coil, Juicy 7, X.9, 721 on Ringlé wheels, etc.

    Should be a fun bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.P.
    A Devinci Frantik 3, Totem Coil, Juicy 7, X.9, 721 on Ringlé wheels, etc.

    Should be a fun bike!

    Indeed it should!

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    A Devinci Frantik 3, Totem Coil, Juicy 7, X.9, 721 on Ringlé wheels, etc.

    Should be a fun bike!
    hey, you kept your money in la belle province!

    devincis are nice rides....
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    2003 2Step DH Help -- paging MMcG or Patineto

    I've been wanting a Balfa since reading Scott at go-ride's stellar review of his '02 2Step FR and I finally got one.

    I just got MMcG's 2003 2Step DH demo frame from Yosei in Colorado.

    The 2004 2Step HD info posted says the 04 frame can run a 34.9mm Top Pull/Bottom Swing front der, and both MMcG and Patineto ran front derailers on their 03 2Step DH's so I guess it can be done. But I can't seem to get a one to work without hitting the bottom suspension linkage.

    FWIW, I'm trying to get a [email protected] LX (FD-M571) model to work, but the inner plate of the cage has way too much material and would need to be cut away substantially. Also, the clamp is so high (relative to the cage) that I won't be able to get the derailer to fit for any chainring larger than a 32 (maybe 34)--but it definitely won't work for a 36 and I'd like to run a 24-36 dual ring set up.

    Do MMcG, Patineto, or anyone else have suggestions for compatible front derailers (old school top pull models w/ smaller cages??? or even an E-type front der ???) for 2 ring 24-36 set up for the 2003 2Step DH?

    Thanks!

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    I think I recall my mechanic telling me that it is not possible to fit a front D on a 2003 2Step DH. The 2004 is OK but not the 2003.

    Don't quote me on that, but I've definitely heard there was such a problem on the first generation 2Step DH.

    There may be a way to work it out, but I don't know about it...sorry!

    Are you sure you want a double ring setup on that bike anyway? One option could be to use a double-bashring set up, with a granny inside the inner bash. You can manually shift the chain on the granny for the climbs. This setup was quite popular on the North Shore a few years ago. If you want to trail-ride and shift several times, then it may not be a good option...The 2Step DH may not be a good bike either for that BTW...

    Put on a 32t or 34t and go ride!

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    I don't think my 2Step DH had a front derailleur on it. I think it came with an MRP chainguide up front.

    Whoops - would ya looky that - my memory sucks - it did have a front derailleur. I can't remember what model it was though. It came with the bike as part of the stock complete build for that model.

    I'm pretty sure the bike came with a 32:22 set up for chainrings though. Your combination may not be a good one for this frame, so you may have to compromise a bit.

    Be sure to post a photo or two of it when you are done - it'll be interesting to see what that frame looks like in your configuration of it!

    She's lived a good life so far it seems.


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    2003 2Step DH all built up

    Well, I finally got it all built up. I guess I had a brain fart about the front derailer, since everything seemed to fall into place once I swapped the 113mm BB + 24-36 crank combo for a 118mm BB + 22-32 crank combo. Props to Aron at CBO ( my LBS), who eyeballed the suspension linkage and got everything to work w/ the first front derailer he pulled off the rack (inexpensive LX model, w/ a little different mech than one I tried).

    Mark, I'm trying to upload a few pics of the newly built beast--hope they work. It's not that much different from when you had it. It's currently sporting an '03 Super T, '02 'purple' Hayes hydros (8"F/7"R), 165mm Big Earl cranks (22-32-bashguard), and the wheelset from my trailbike until I can get a new set built up around 721 or 5.1d rims. I still have to mount a chain guide and wrap the chainstay, but it's pretty much completed.

    Bare frame w/ fox coil was 10lbs. I haven't weighed the complete bike, but I'd guestimate it to weigh around 40lbs, maybe a hair less.

    A.P., I've only got one ride so far on the 2Step DH, but I don't think its impractical to run a dual ring on it. Although I've got friends who can motor up anything all day long on a 40+lb bike w/ a single 36 or 38 tooth ring, I'm not nearly as strong as those guys. I need the small ring on a bike like this to get me up the trail.

    Overall the 2Step DH feels pretty efficient pedaling, and the extra weight only has me using 1-2 cogs lower on same climbs as my Nomad. I guess that's not too bad for a big bike. No doubt 2Step DH's weight and geometry would kill me on day-long epic trail rides, but I've got the Nomad for those days. I typically don't shuttle and don't live near any lift serviced ski resorts, so for pedaling up the mountain to hit the downhills, that small ring is gonna save my sorry @ss.

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    Holy Crap she looks Stellar! Glad to see that bike still going strong. Have a blast on her!!!

    Smart move on the 165mm cranks - that will help out a lot on this frame.

    Damn she looks good.

    Congrats.

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    Here is mine, pike 454 also I just ordered teo 729 rims with greeen hope hubs and green nipples....gonna look sick...
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    Nice Minuteman! I love that color green they used for that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Nice Minuteman! I love that color green they used for that year.
    agreed! i went with red as my 2step is green.

    ps. i kept my minuteman, it's converted to commuter right now to convince my wife i needed it....
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    Ferday - excellent!

    Say you don't have a 29er suspension fork do ya?

    I'm curious as to how a Belair would handle set up as a 96er.

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    Balfa 2Step in Ontario

    Its now rideable with a mishmash of parts while I wait for someothers to come in.... and boy is it a great bike!! Incredibly comfortable from the second I rode it, Rear X7 set up perfect and dead accurate first time. No front derailleur (can't decide if I want to and haven't needed it in 6 rides so far) 36 front ring - and have not dropped a chain yet so far!!
    You were all right - the Pike is incredibly stiff just like the bike. You see my preference for cable disc (BB7 203 frt and 185 rear - they work perfect for anything I have ever done).
    Waiting on rubber - just riding what I had around now - but it still corners better than anything I have ever ridden - full speed sweep, I just threw her low and she carved right through....

    Anyway - will update as things go...
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    Oh yeah she looks great!!! What are those handlebars? I like the looks of em. She looks fast, and low slung and built to rip.

    Keep us posted with the ride reports!!!!

    Do you dial down the Pike at all for climbs or do you just leave it as is and hammer up stuff?

    Oh and what do you think the ballpark weight is on the bike as it sits????

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by lmbrjck
    Waiting on rubber - just riding what I had around now - but it still corners better than anything I have ever ridden - full speed sweep, I just threw her low and she carved right through....
    beautiful ride man!

    i've ridden many bikes, the 2step is the best cornering ride i've ever been on.

    i have ridden mine with and without a front derailleur (right now using a DRS) and i find having the granny makes the bike just a little more versatile (actually climbs well for being so heavy)
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    Thanks Guys,

    It is a really fun bike to ride - so far on all mountain conditions - albeit rough all mountain - no bike I have ridden is better. Period.

    I am no awesome climber - but it can be done with relatively little pain (my problem, not the bikes!!!). I do like to sometimes just hammer and grunt and plow up a hill, and so far it has been way more up to that task than me....

    As for the Pike, I really just leave it in the 140 mode - and turn the lockout/whatever lever on the left fork top. I wouldn't have bothered with the Uturn but it was on this version of the Pike, which was the cheaper coil version.

    Ride is awesome, feel is good.... as for right now on my bathroom scale, somewhere around 35 pounds.

    As for the bars, they are called 'Outland'. I used to work alot with Raleigh/DB Canada several years ago when they still had decent bikes up here in Canada - and they carried this line called Outland. No name to most - but from a heavy guy - they have been absolutely incredible.... I raced two seasons on the exact same model bar in the DH circuit up here without the slightest problem. ALso, the pedals are Outland - so light and also with two years DH work - no prob at all. I actually just got them to get me several more sets of pedals - I don't think I will ever ride anything else (even though I am not a chrome guy - they are incredible.) Bars were in Chrome Black and Chrome - all I have left is the Chrome - but such a great bar from my experience - it is seeing duty on my new Princess!!

    In the pics I am just running a longer stem to get the feel - don't know what length I want yet.....

    I probably would run a front granny if I could find a 24/26 tooth - I really have no need for a 22 I find.... Anyone know of a 24/26 tooth - 26 bing perfect for my granny I think.

    I will update as things go... Anyone ever in Ontario/Toronto/North area - look me up - can show you around my neck of the woods...

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    I noticed those pedals too - I dig em!

    Whereabouts in the Toronto suburbs are you? I used to visit often as a kid playing travel hockey (Scarborough,Missassauga, North York, Burlington, Hamilton, Whitby etc. etc.)

    Would be fun to visit again to ride and also to pay a visit to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

    Have fun on that 2Step!

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    Here's my Belair that I just got built up. Haven't ridden in dirt yet as it has rained on EVERY day off I've had since I've built it up. I do have one question. Is there a coil rear shock that fits this frame? I picked up a Romic Twin-Tube that's a bit on the chubby side. Oh well.

    Set-up
    Fork: Revelation 426 coil
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RL
    Shifters: Sram X9
    Fr Der.: Shimano LX
    Rear Der.: Sram X9 Longa Cage
    Brakes: IRD Dual Bangers mechanical
    Wheelset: XT hubs w/ Rhyno Lites
    Tires: Trail Bears
    Stem: Race Face System 130mm?
    Handlebars: LP Composites XC riser
    Cranks: Shimano Hone
    Seatpost: Titec Hellbent
    Seat: WTB Rocket V Team

    later

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    Quote Originally Posted by BazookaJoe
    Here's my Belair that I just got built up. Haven't ridden in dirt yet as it has rained on EVERY day off I've had since I've built it up. I do have one question. Is there a coil rear shock that fits this frame? I picked up a Romic Twin-Tube that's a bit on the chubby side. Oh well.
    sweet ride! there is no coil i've ever found that fits in the bel-air. i got my air shock Pushed, now it feels as good as a coil IMO.

    have fun with it, it's a very quirky bike but rides very very nice! i suggest immediate removal of the main pivot bolts, followed by generous loc-tite and reinstallation (they will work loose...)
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    ferday is on point with his pivot bolt recommendation. Great bike! I think older Vanilla coil overs fit, but just barely. I think ferday's idea of getting the shock sent in to Push for a makeover is the ticket!

    Enjoy!

    Curious - did you buy the frame used via NSMB.com? Looks like one of the frames Chris Donaghue was selling.

    Cheers,

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    This site rocks! That's exactly the kind of information I need. I'll take care of the main pivot bolts ASAP.

    MMcG, I saw those Belairs on NSMB and was very tempted to buy another frame. But, I actually bought this frame on Denver Craigslist almost 2 years ago. I've been buying parts online whenever I found a deal too good to believe. I was guestimating on various parts in terms of size, but in the 15 years I've been riding, this Belair is the best fit I've ever had. I've been wanting a Belair ever since I first saw one, ages ago. So I'm totally stoked!!!!

    About that rear shock. Almost every person I've talked to had nothing good to say about the LIFE of a Fox shock. In addition, the review section here reinforces everything I've been told. So far with the mininum riding/juming I've done around town I haven't had a single problem........but I keep my fingers crossed. When the Fox dies, I'll look into some replacement options.

    thanks

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    Joel - That is a good shock to pair up with that bike. Again - save up and in the winter send it in to Push Industries for a makeover.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by BazookaJoe
    About that rear shock. Almost every person I've talked to had nothing good to say about the LIFE of a Fox shock. In addition, the review section here reinforces everything I've been told. So far with the mininum riding/juming I've done around town I haven't had a single problem........but I keep my fingers crossed. When the Fox dies, I'll look into some replacement options.
    interesting...i've had excellent luck with my Fox shox, air and coil. it certainly sucks to have to service the belair shock, it's not easy to get in/out of the mounting.

    i highly recommend the Push treatment on the Belair shock, i got just a touch of platform put into the shock and the bike has really good pedalling manners now. other things to watch for is chainring clearance on the swing plates (will grind if the BB is not correct) and adjusting the front derailleur to keep the chain off of the pivot bolt during downshifting.
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    ferday with more good Belair words of wisdom!

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    2Step Bearing Help

    Ok Guys, Bike is riding awesome... way too much fun - but a few bearings have definitely had it - and I need to replace them.

    Ferday told me what size to get, now I need help as too know to remove them and the axle/bolt. Installation of new ones should be easier - but any help would be great.

    A few pics of recent rides and my 2Step, as well as the bearings in question. Oh and I didn't let them get that bad - I bought it cheap used, knowing they would need replacing - and man do they ever!!
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    Lmbrjck,

    Like the 2 Step! A lot like mine, posted earlier in the thread. You're weight of 35 lbs is pretty good...I'm at 34.5 with a rear air shock, and there's not too many places I can shave any more weight without going with high zoot carbon stuff.

    I'm also very impressed with the bike...pedals really well and really handles the terrain. I think the virtual pivot is pretty high on the bike through the first part of the travel, and that really helps soke up the bumps. It's basically very similar to the DW link that gets so much good press...funny how DW thinks it was his great idea when Balfa was doing it years ahead of him...

    One thing you and others have mentioned is how well this bike corners. I'm actually having trouble getting used to it. I find myself coming out of corners with too much angle. This is especially the case if I compress into the corner...it pops me out the other side and nearly throws me across the trail. I'm not used to this, just taking a bit to learn to compensate for how quick it can turn. Very surprising, especially considering the ~67 head angle!

    Anyway, good luck with the bearings. I'm not looking forward to the day I have to do mine...

    -Aaron

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    Great pics lmbrjk - where were those taken?

    I think ferday is probably the best resource for bearing removal and replacment tips. You might want to PM him as he's a new Dad and might not be spending time on mtbr.com that much with the new baby and all.

    Keep the Balfa thread alive!

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    lmbrjck - check your pm's. i've been a little busy/tired, so the instructions may not be uber clear....

    mark - you are correct, not much time for the mtbr! but hey, that's what work is for

    i've been riding the 69er minuteman, the angles are very slack (i'm riding it as a commuter right now with rigid fork). maybe too slack for the street but would feel nice on the trail!
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    PS - Lmbrjck, if you you want a good front ring combo, I can recommend the DMR Shift R rings. I'm running a 38T - 26T granny combo. It's a little bit on the high side though, I've never spun it out in the kind of riding I do. I think I would have preferred a 36T - 24T combo. So far the wear has been alright...better than I expected from DMR. It's a tidy setup, and you can run a DMR bash ring in place of the big ring...it's nice and light at 122g.

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    Good job! The sickness works...

    Videos worked fine for me - where did you get such treasures?

    Interesting how it illustrates the leverage ratio of the 2-step FR...starts off as progressive, then linear, then regressive. Maybe not the ideal leverage curve, but good for air shocks that ramp up at the end. My bike has always felt fairly progressive with a Manitou 4-way air shock, and that's all that matters!

    What I'd really like to see is a diagram of the 2-step virtual pivot point throughout the travel. I've often thought of doing it myself in Solidworks.

    -Aaron

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    Perhaps this one give you what you seek?

    https://s109.photobucket.com/albums/..._sickness1.flv

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    Nah, something like this. (See attached.)

    Right, so it's not a video, but you can see the virtual pivot point in relation to the chain line as the suspension moves through it's travel.

    -Aaron

    PS - It's one of my own designs...
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    Ahhh - I see. Nope I don't have anything like that unfortunately. Just the videos from back in my Balfa repping days.

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    because i can

    been using the belair as the epic trailbike (31 lbs)....pretty sweet ride, loves the singletrack.





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    Great pics ferday.

    Is your Inbred your RAce bike then?

    I just sold my 18" Inbred. Now I've gotta figure out what to do.

    There is a long 2003 2Step FR ever so gently calling my name locally. Whattya think? Get it for a Trail bike and build up a cheap 29er SS?

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    Is your Inbred your RAce bike then?
    yup, although i put a lot of short loop k's on it as well. the terrain around here does not allow for a SS on long rides.

    There is a long 2003 2Step FR ever so gently calling my name locally. Whattya think? Get it for a Trail bike and build up a cheap 29er SS?
    yes! that sounds like a fantastic idea....i'd love to build a "light" 2step for trail riding. maybe you can find a 16" inbred someone is ditching for the new version....
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    I like how you put "light" in quotes!

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    this winter i'm gonna swap all the parts from the belair to the 2step, see how much she weighs. my guess is around 34 (9.5lbs frame vs. 6.5lbs). an air shock may take another pound off, with some good parts selection you may get a 2step around 32-33....
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    buy the balfa...

    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    There is a long 2003 2Step FR ever so gently calling my name locally. Whattya think? Get it for a Trail bike...?
    Well Mark,

    Since you rep'd for Balfa and owned my 2Step DH before I eventually got it, I'm sure you know how well they ride on the trail. The more I ride the 2Step DH, the more impressed I am with the way it rides. Very good lateral stiffness, not much rear shock stiffening under braking, and definitely has less pedal feedback than my Nomad. All that makes me think the 2Step's virtual pivot (and the very similar Maestro & DW-Link) is more active than SC/Intense's "VPP" version.

    I guess if I were looking for a 6" trailbike today, I'd consider the 2 Step if the price was right and the frame was in good shape. For a newer bike, I think the Reign/Reign-X offers a lot of bang for the buck, but I'd also consider the IH 6 point, or Banshee's new Rune http://www.bansheebikes.com/news/det...p?recordID=102.

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    experts welcome..

    Could someone tell me what could of been improve (negative points) on the BB7?

    Also what improvements year to year? Is 2004 BB7 better then 2003 BB7?

    I want to buy a used BB7 frame but not sure what to look for.

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    Upper America?!!! J/K

    I knew exactly where the Balfa BB7 could've been improved and this frame has addressed all those concerns and more. I'm stoked on riding it.

    I'm also repping for Knolly Bikes, so I'm torn between the two. I'll have to get some time in on the Delirium frame so I can have the best of both worlds.

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    Could someone tell me what could of been improve (negative points) on the BB7?

    Also what improvements year to year? Is 2004 BB7 better then 2003 BB7?

    I want to buy a used BB7 frame but not sure what to look for.

    Also how much is the going $ for a excellent condition BB7 2004 frame?

    thx




    Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Upper America?!!! J/K

    I knew exactly where the Balfa BB7 could've been improved and this frame has addressed all those concerns and more. I'm stoked on riding it.

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    i've been riding my newly rejuvenated 03 2step fr for the past 6 months, and currently working on bringing a belair back to life. brought the belair back home to canadian soil after serving its early life down in texas

    do you guys figure a fox 32 vanilla r would be too much fork for the belair? it would be 140mm paired with 115mm in the rear, about 1" travel difference front/rear. the riding here is fairly technical, and i *think* the extra travel up front would help to make the belair a true fully versatile trail bike for the regions here. i may end up carrying around an extra half a pound, but should be able to keep it at or close to 30lbs vs the 35 of my 2step. i have a 20mm manitou nixon for the 2step and find that it works quite well with it.

    building the balfa collection one by one, if i find a raw minuteman for sale locally, its mine! i remember lusting after the balfa's when i was back in high school. finally, i can afford them now. good thing i don't ride hard enough to break frames

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    I would give it a go on the Fox for the Belair. Remember most Fox forks have shorter Axle to Crown Heights vs the competition so it shouldn't slack things out too much and that frame can handle that extra travel. I ran mine with a 2003 Z1 for a half a year and it felt fine. and if you remember the 2003 Z1s were pretty tall 130mm forks.

    Post up some pics of your 2Step and Belair please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO
    i've been riding my newly rejuvenated 03 2step fr for the past 6 months, and currently working on bringing a belair back to life. brought the belair back home to canadian soil after serving its early life down in texas

    do you guys figure a fox 32 vanilla r would be too much fork for the belair? it would be 140mm paired with 115mm in the rear, about 1" travel difference front/rear. the riding here is fairly technical, and i *think* the extra travel up front would help to make the belair a true fully versatile trail bike for the regions here. i may end up carrying around an extra half a pound, but should be able to keep it at or close to 30lbs vs the 35 of my 2step. i have a 20mm manitou nixon for the 2step and find that it works quite well with it.

    building the balfa collection one by one, if i find a raw minuteman for sale locally, its mine! i remember lusting after the balfa's when i was back in high school. finally, i can afford them now. good thing i don't ride hard enough to break frames
    Did you say you were looking for a Raw Minuteman????

    Well guess what? Here's one right here:
    http://www.ridemonkey.com/classified...p?product=7525

    Grab it!

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    because i'm a picture whore

    i've been having so much trouble with the pivot bolts staying tight on this bike. other than that, one of the best rides i've tried and the more tech the trail the better the ride!



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    GREAT Photos!

    You are making me miss my old Belair more and more every time you post those photos up!

    That fork looks to be a perfect complement to that frame as well. Is it a 130mm version? Or convertible between 130 and 150?

    How much do you think that Belair weighs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    GREAT Photos!
    You are making me miss my old Belair more and more every time you post those photos up!
    That fork looks to be a perfect complement to that frame as well. Is it a 130mm version? Or convertible between 130 and 150?
    How much do you think that Belair weighs?
    thanks MMcG!

    the fork is 130mm, any more travel and i wouldn't be able to climb a hill (already such a slack seat angle...)
    the bike weighs exactly 31.2 lbs (ultimate digital scale)

    i keep thinking about a new fangled trail bike, but every time i ride the belair i don't feel i need a new bike...she rails the singletrack, and the steel rear triangle just soaks up the smaller bumps and makes for some great cornering!



    EDIT: photo credits to hizzity, who takes some amazing pics
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    That Long 2Step FR is still available to me locally. I keep thinking about it, but then I keep thinking that it may be too heavy for trail riding (at least of the nature that I do).

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    i'd buy it....

    with todays components, you could get 'er down to 34-ish. that's still heavy for my riding, but it does pedal pretty good. wouldn't be the best for 6+ hour rides i would say...

    there's so many good bikes out there now with 6" travel that are 3 or 4 full pounds lighter frame than the 2step (but none of them look quite as hot... )
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    I think I'm in trouble!

    Test rode the 2Step FR tonight!! Oooh baby she fits like a glove and is so nice.

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    Woooohooo.......stay tuned for an update on my 2Step Quest in the not too distant future!!!

    Think "feed the habit" and you've got your first clue.

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    2Step - I gotta sell!

    Hi Guys.... Many pics on here over the last few months. Love the 2Step - but gotta sell it. I did replace all eight bearings with Enduro Max Bearings - receipt to prove. Rode 3 times with new bearings.

    Something has come up - well actually keeping me down (major knee surgery coming up and will not be able to remotely ride the bike decently for at least another summer)....

    If you know anyone interested - pass my name and email along. I have a few more pics, but most were posted on here throughout the thread.

    Hate to do it - but money and time the issue - no point having it sit around for a few more years 'hoping' to be able to ride it again sometime.....

    Thanks to all those who helped me make it sooooo great - for the few months it was awesome, but time has caught up to my body....

    Thanks
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    Simon - email me at [email protected]

    I'll see if I can help.

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    Oppps forgot.....

    Selling frame, fox RC with two coils (heavy and light), Axiom seatpost, and FSA headset.

    Hoping to get between $400 - $500 for it like that. New bearings just installed, new heavier coil spring (light one included as well). FSA headset scratched but perfect function.

    Thanks again.
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    my belair is finally all built up, after a summer abroad travelling. rode incredibly well for the 15 minutes i had her on the trail. too bad my push'd fox float rl is leaking air, preventing a longer ride. shock is off to the shop, hopefully get it back next week.

    she weighs in just about 32lbs, built up with a 140mm fox32 van R, 185/160 avid bb5 discs, fsa gamma crankset, deore/lx groupset. the cheap wheels are cheap bought used and nothing special to note, i really want to get a lighter set when these ones get chewed through and bring her down to my goal of 30lbs--should be fairly easy with a crankset and wheelset upgrade. my fiance loves the ride as well, we get to ride through nicely paved gravel paths on our balfa's.

    MMcG, thanks for your pm and post regarding the raw minuteman. i still lust after it, but i would need the regular size and cannot afford it currently with the wedding and all. that, and we'd need to find a third person to ride the bike. the only way i can justify to her for having the 2step and belair is so we could ride together. im sure the frame will find me in due time, just like how my 2step and belair have found me in regards to the 2step as a trail bike, that's how i would describe my 2step build:
    -manitou nixon elite 20mm 115-145mm
    -fox vanilla rc shock
    -203/185 avid bb7's
    -deore/lx drivetrain on lx outboard bb crankset
    -wtb wheelset
    -ck headset, thompson post, titec stem, answer bar
    -2.1" tires
    builds up to roughly 35 lbs, and there isnt too many other places i feel i can shave weight aside from the wheelset, maybe a pound at the most. at the same time the bike was not built with the intentions of becoming a racer. i feel with my riding and the burliness of the bike, i would like to go back to 2.3" tires. just not 1000g+ 2.3" tires :P

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    So, how come we haven't heard any news from Jerome in so long? Don't think Appalache was at Interbike from what I can tell. I heard ages ago that there was an Appalache six inch bike in the works, but nothing...na-da. Throw me a bone people! Someone must know something about what the legend has been up to!

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    not sure about appalache, but hugo with xprezo has gotten a 6" bike on the market. classic balfa 'style' with the cromo rear end bolted to an aluminum linkage in a simple single pivot design, much like the belair. http://www.nsmb.com/gear/raah_review_09_07.php

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    Thanks for that UFO. Hadn't seen that frame before. I like the Balfa style and chromo rear end, but I must admit, in the end it's just a single pivot which other makers have probably executed better from the sound of the review.

    I was hoping we'd get a 6" Appalache with high pivot and chain pulley, but designed for two front rings. No one's done a high pivot trail bike yet! Or at least a new linkage bike like the 2-step. Oh well.

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    i've talked to xprezo regarding the new bikes....they are very very expensive! the Raah is a little more than an ellsworth for the frame....
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    Just wanted to let you guys know that I just bought a brand new 2-step hd and itīs looking good. Now if I just could find the time to build it. Any idea how the HA is with a boxxer?

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    2Step HD headangle

    Quote Originally Posted by TrailTiger
    Just wanted to let you guys know that I just bought a brand new 2-step hd and itīs looking good. Now if I just could find the time to build it. Any idea how the HA is with a boxxer?
    2004 2Step HD geo.jpg

    Spec'd HA for 2004 2Step HD is 67.5* with a short 520mm a2c fork.

    I think the 203mm travel Boxxers have a 570mm a2c height, so your HA should slacken around 2* to 65.5* [using the general rule of thumb for HA --> approx 1* slacker per 25mm or 1" a2c increase].

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    2Step HD headangle

    Quote Originally Posted by TrailTiger
    Just wanted to let you guys know that I just bought a brand new 2-step hd and itīs looking good. Now if I just could find the time to build it. Any idea how the HA is with a boxxer?
    I'm trying to attach the 2Step HD Geo Table from Balfa's 2004 Catalog:
    2004 2Step HD geo.jpg

    Spec'd HA for 2004 2Step HD is 67.5* with a short 520mm a2c fork.

    I think the 203mm travel Boxxers have a 570mm a2c height, so your HA should slacken around 2* to 65.5* [using the general rule of thumb for HA --> approx 1* slacker per 25mm or 1" a2c increase].

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    Did a test ride today, this frame rocks! Really nice, neutral predictable feeling suspension, pedals well ( been riding vpp bikes for 3 years). Geometry is spot on for freeride use. Iīm using boxxer for now, gonna try my girlfriends lyric, bike feels front heavy at the moment. My only gripe is that you canīt use a full length seatpost. Why hasnīt these puppies sold more, if Appalache someday gets the fr model out, I just might have to buy that .

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    yep, the 2Step DH rocks

    Quote Originally Posted by TrailTiger
    Did a test ride today, this frame rocks! Really nice, neutral predictable feeling suspension, pedals well ( been riding vpp bikes for 3 years). Geometry is spot on for freeride use...My only gripe is that you canīt use a full length seatpost.
    i agree, this is a really great frame. compared to my Nomad's VPP suspension, the 2Step's suspension feels like it has less pedal feedback when hitting square edged bumps while climbing.

    since i'm only 5'8", i can get by with about 3+" between my max and min seatpost heights to be pretty comfortable for both long climbs and full on descents. you might wanna look into a gravity dropper or speedball seatpost if you need more height adjustment.

    i had a recent spinal cord decompression surgery for a neck injury, and the neurosurgeon said my days of hardcore riding are done unfortunately, i'm selling my 2Step DH but i hate to see her go...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailTiger
    Just wanted to let you guys know that I just bought a brand new 2-step hd and itīs looking good. Now if I just could find the time to build it. Any idea how the HA is with a boxxer?
    Late to this - but my Demo 2Step DH was spec'd with a Boxxer. You'll be good to go with one.

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    Iīve tried with a boxxer and a lyrik, works well with both, maybe lyrik suites the bike a little better (loving the feel of modern single crowns). One question for you 2-step experts, are the spring rates comparable to similar design (dw-link), my spring feels a tad stiff for me.

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    Trail Tiger,

    The simplest way to compare leverage ratios is just divide the total rear wheel travel by the shock stroke:


    Balfa HD: 7.1 / 2.25 = 3.15

    IH 7 point: 7 / 2.75 = 2.55 (300 lb spring ?)
    IH 6 point: 6 / 2.5 = 2.4

    If you put the same spring from either Iron Horse on the Balfa, I would expect it too feel softer, not stiffer. But maybe that's not what your asking...

    If indeed you are just comparing the IH straight to the Balfa, the IH may feel a bit plusher because it uses a lower leverage ratio and thus, softer spring.

    Of course, the leverage curve will also have an effect on this, and I may have made some wrong assumptions above...

    I run my 2 step FR with an air shock and a lot of sag - nothing could be plusher

    Hey, what Lyrik have you tried? Coil or Air? I really want one for my 2 step FR, but am scared about traditional RS reliability issues...

    -Aaron

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    I would put aside your RS reliability concerns. Since SRAM has taken on RS - quality and durability are very good I think.

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    Propably have that spring rate question sorted out already. Iīm going to get my 5th shimmed and let the professionals take care of business, but thanks anyway. RS reliability issues are gone since SRAM bought them (excluding 2-step issues). I rode a coil PIKE for 2 years nonstop, also in very cold winter conditions (-20 celsius), after 2 years send it to service and all they had to do was oil change and put new seals, now itīs like a brand new fork. The Lyrik I tried was the coil version, havenīt tried air. Lyrik is a fantastic fork, unless youīre doing huge stunts, but for your FR model this would perfect match.

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    hi,

    actually I'm thinking about building up a new FR rig - as my budget is quite small I thought about buying a used bike - and then balfa came in my mind.....
    luckily the guys at balfa uk sell the 2-step HD for 399 Ģ incl. a vanilla rc or 5th.
    and after reading this thread I'm pretty sure I'll get a HD to build it up with a 66 or totem.
    as I'd like a light weight bike what air-shock would you recommend?

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    Get a Totem instead of 66. There will be interference with 66 crown and the frame, plus the suspension is a lot better. I would love to get the new manitou isx-6 air shock, been hearing great things about that shock alltough the 5th element that my frame has feels really good. I was riding today and I have to tell you this frame is definetly worth the money.

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    which years 66 won't fit?
    I can get a 2006 SL for a good price so that was the actual plan.

    btw - if you own a HD what shock bushing sizes do I need?

    thanks

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    66 will fit, you just canīt get full turning radius with any 66, no matter what year. Buying a 66sl is risky business anyway. Iīll get back on that bushing size when I get back home later this week.

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    If you are willing to try that manitou shock out safest bet would be to order ALL mounting hardware from tftuned. HD has really abnormal size upper pin/axle if I remember correctly. The actual bushing size varies depending if itīs manitou, rock shox or fox, that is why you need a new pin/axle also. Happy hunting

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    i don't recommend an air shock at all for the 2step HD, but the regular version did have a fox vanilla air option. i run mine with a regular old vanilla RC and love it.
    i would think about a DH worthy air shock (dhx-air, something like that). the bike has NO need for propedal/platform of any kind. for a fork...the HD screams for a longer travel 170mm+ fork where the regular 2step would be okay with 130-150mm.

    the upper bolt is a weird bolt, it's normal 6mm size thread but with a large stainless sleeve over the bolt that brings it up to 8mm size. mine isn't in front of me right now but i do have hardware store part #'s at home for the exact bolts that came from balfa.
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    ferday speaks wise words in his post!

    Anyone know where I could find a used 2step FR?? the Long frame size please!

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    haha - that second bike linked used to be MY Demo bike when I repped for Balfa!!

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    I see lumbrjcks is up for sale on pinkbike. emailed him. HOpe he returns my email.

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    Every now and then I do a Google search to see if I can find anything about any new Appalache frames...especially of the AM or FR variety. Today I hit paydirt. The picture is off of a German website and dates back to Dec '06 though...

    So, has anyone seen this before? What do we know about Appalache's latest plans?



    Looks great though! Suspension design looks spot on. Only negative is the seat post adjustability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pslide
    Every now and then I do a Google search to see if I can find anything about any new Appalache frames...especially of the AM or FR variety. Today I hit paydirt. The picture is off of a German website and dates back to Dec '06 though...

    So, has anyone seen this before? What do we know about Appalache's latest plans?



    Looks great though! Suspension design looks spot on. Only negative is the seat post adjustability.
    pslide - have you visited their website yet? https://www.appalachecycles.com/

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    Oh yeah, well familiar with the website (never updated) and the Real, which I really like. But this is the first pic I've ever found of a next generation 2-step... I suppose I could email them...

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    that frame looks awesome!

    knowing appalache it will be ridiculously expensive as well....
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    I present to you my well loved Balfa Minuteman.



    Complete with the longest seatpost known to man Saddle up for the long climbs, and drop it for the doonhall bits and jumps. I've broken a few XC machines so I built this up tough... it will probably outlast me, or the frame will anyway, not sure about the Pike's

    This bike keeps me on my toes, it's a twitchy SOAB... if I'm having a good day I have a great day but if I'm having an off day it usually involves a few off's

    Enjoy

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    Nice Minuteman right there!

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    i agree MMcG, nice minuteman!

    if you want to slow the twitch down....the best way i found was using a 24" in the rear. hurts the XC pedaling though....
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    Cheers for the 24" suggestion ferday but I really don't fancy hurting the pedaling, I use it for a lot of that.
    I've just had the Pike's fixed because they were "burst" inside which explains why they bottomed out on any drop over about two feet... they felt really dreadfull on the big drops *gulp*

    Most of the time I like the twitchyness, it's brilliant when you are in the mood to play and every little rock, stump, root and rise is a launchpad.

    From the geometry I struggle to see why this is so twitchy compared to more modern hardtails with similar fork travel etc. I guess it could be the high bottom bracket and short chainstays? I usually have the Pike's at about 130mm to keep the seat tube angle good for climbing, if I run the forks at 140mm I feel too far off the back and the front wanders about.
    The paint or whatever Balfa used is incredibly strong. Most people who see it expect it to be aluminium and comment on the huge square chainstays - when they find out it's steel they think it will be silly heavy which it isn't.
    Not sure what year this is from, I picket it up second hand about four years ago when I wanted a bombproof winter hardtail that had mounts for a bottle cage to run my winter lights.
    I love it.

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    Bump for a little Balfa nostalgia. Mike E. pointed out a Long Belair for sale via pinkbike and it has me tempted.

    Wish I could locate a good used 2Step FR though. Anyone???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Bump for a little Balfa nostalgia. Mike E. pointed out a Long Belair for sale via pinkbike and it has me tempted.

    Wish I could locate a good used 2Step FR though. Anyone???
    hi mark

    seen this one yet

    http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/394462/
    Last edited by ferday; 12-23-2008 at 03:57 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    hi mark

    seen this one yet

    http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/394462/
    Yep.

    Ferday - could you do some "measuring" for me - to see if indeed I might be able to fit a 650b with a 2.35 tire in back on a 2Step?

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    Hello,

    I have looked around a bit on the old 'net and have yet to be able to find geo specs for the belair other than BB height and head angle. Anyone know the rough dimensions? Particularly the TT measurement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unissamog
    Hello,

    I have looked around a bit on the old 'net and have yet to be able to find geo specs for the belair other than BB height and head angle. Anyone know the rough dimensions? Particularly the TT measurement.

    Here ya' go:

    Size: regular (16"), top tube=22.75"
    long (18"), top tube=23.5"

    Both have 4.25" head tubes.

    Happy New Year!!

    Mike E.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    Here ya' go:

    Size: regular (16"), top tube=22.75"
    long (18"), top tube=23.5"

    Both have 4.25" head tubes.

    Happy New Year!!

    Mike E.
    Thanks. With a bit more poking around, and some work on the internet archive, I have found this. The spec sheet from the UK company.

    http://uvmtb.org/reference/spec_Belair.swf

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    Quote Originally Posted by unissamog
    Thanks. With a bit more poking around, and some work on the internet archive, I have found this. The spec sheet from the UK company.

    http://uvmtb.org/reference/spec_Belair.swf

    thanks dude i've been looking for those numbers for a long time...any chance the 2step numbers are in the archive?
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    thanks dude i've been looking for those numbers for a long time...any chance the 2step numbers are in the archive?
    I think if you search within this thread ferday you'll find the geometry numbers for the 2STep FR and DH (HD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I think if you search within this thread ferday you'll find the geometry numbers for the 2STep FR and DH (HD).



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    Thanks Ricardo! You are a good man! Do you still have a 2Step???

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Thanks Ricardo! You are a good man!
    Your are more than welcome mark.

    Do you still have a 2Step???
    OH Yeah

    I decide to keep them since they don't really have much resale value I just give the FR Bike to my girlfriend and I keep the DH for my self..
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    Is the FR you have a Long frame Ricardo??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Is the FR you have a Long frame Ricardo??
    Yes sir is a Long one, I use to have a short one too that handle great but been 6.2" was a little to constrain for my frame.

    The long one also fits Lauren's body (5,7) to perfection and she love it, well we wish it was a little lighter but she is a tropper after all so those not really matter at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patineto
    Yes sir is a Long one, I use to have a short one too that handle great but been 6.2" was a little to constrain for my frame.

    The long one also fits Lauren's body (5,7) to perfection and she love it, well we wish it was a little lighter but she is a tropper after all so those not really matter at the end.
    I'm envious. IF you ever want to part with the long frame - you know who to contact.

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