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    They are in, got mine today.

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    Well get riding it and report back on reliability!

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    Going to the front range, Golden area, third week of August. That should tell all, even maybe a day at winter park.

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    pics.. first impressions.. something !

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    It came while i was out of town, this is a new full build. Should have pics and impressions by next weekend.

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    I've read most of the news and specs on the new pike but heard no mention of internal travel adjust. Surely there is a pin-ladder system if you want to drop the 150 down to 140. Anybody have the deets?

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    Yep, that's what I want to know - ability to internally drop travel or not?

    And what are the crown-to-axle heights of the various models?

    Been going back and forth between a tapered Revelation and a lowered, non-tapered Lyrik on my trail bike, and the Pike seems like it would be a great happy medium.

    Near the stiffness of the Lyrik, but near the weight of the Revelation? So long as the damper turns out to not suck or crap out, seems like a winner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    pics.. first impressions.. something !
    Yes please!
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    eagerly awaiting impressions as well (love my lyric)

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    Got a fractured bone in my foot, so no ride report. But, after a neighborhood curb jump test ride, I'd say that this fork is very plush, very smooth, and under hard braking feels very stiff.

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    Love the black on black!

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    Sweet! Thanks!

    Now as long as it can be lowered somewhat...

    The 26" version dropped down to 140mm would get me right where I want.
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    Yeah, same here. Considering this fork for my Mojo HD-R with 'tweener wheels but don't want to sacrifice the geo. Can't imagine there not being a pin/spacer system for adjusting down to 140mm or even 130mm. I find it odd that there is no mention anywhere about this. Called bikeco this morning and they are checking it out...

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    My 29er version is sitting at my LBS right now. I forgot to take pictures last Friday. I left it there because it seemed like it was still rumored that the 160mm 29er version was a possibility. My LBS spoke with SRAM and confirmed the 160mm version for the 29er, but as we all know, the 150mm Pike requires a new air spring. Fine by me, I'll just have both air springs to go back and forth to figure out which I end up liking better. LBS also told me it'll be a few more months til the 160mm spring is released. I'll take some un-boxing pictures tomorrow when I go to my shop again. It'll be awhile before I can give a ride report as I bought this fork for a build project. I want to get the new Specialized 29er S-Works Enduro frame and build one up. LBS is telling me September or October before the frames are released.

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    Ok, did a little more digging. Some of the info and general descriptions of the Pike are kind of confusing. I've seen it described as a 160-140mm travel fork some places. But it depends on which wheel size and whether its solo air or dual position air. Also, each travel corresponds to a unique air spring as mentioned above. The Dual Position Air maintains a consistent air spring volume. So here is the break down, please correct me if I'm wrong:

    26"
    Dual Position Air: externally adjustable 160->130mm (infinite I think?)
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    Solo Air 160 fixed
    Solo Air 150 fixed

    27.5"
    DPA: ext. adj. 160->130 (infinite I think?)
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    SA 160 fixed
    SA 150 fixed

    29"
    DPA: ext. adj. 150->120 (infinite?)
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    SA 140 fixed

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    Got my Solo Air in 150mm!

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    I only have one ride on the fork, and I've never owned a Fox 34, but so far I have nothing but smiles to report. Super stiff. Freaken beast of a fork compared to the Fox 32 140 I'm coming from. Easy to set up (that's a big bonus for me...). Looks sweet (NOT a fan of gold ano...). Best of all, the longer maintenance interval!

    The most noticiable difference coming from a Fox 32 is the stiffness, but the fork, even new, feels a bit more plush and has about the same brake dive. Need more time switching between bikes to really have a sense of this though.

    Tire clearance with Hans Dampf 2.35 is great. I suppose since I only ride dry conditions the jury is still out, but looks like loads of room. Could go with a larger tire and still have some mud clearance (mud? it hasn't rained in months....). Will update if anything interesting happens.
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    Frikkin Darth Vader bike! Looking good!

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    Hmmm. . . I am thinking about this fork . . . If anyone can compare to a lyrik I would love to hear impressions.

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    Just a headz-up, when I got my Pike it was wrapped in sticky bubble-wrap. That glue used on the bubble-wrap will transfer to the stanchions, etc. and gum up the seals. I used Goo-Gone to get it off, but mineral spirits would likely work as well.

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    This thread is pretty worthless so far. It would be nice to have a detailed report on performance and comparisons to Fox 34, 36, Lyric, Slant, etc. In time I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    This thread is pretty worthless so far. It would be nice to have a detailed report on performance and comparisons to Fox 34, 36, Lyric, Slant, etc. In time I'm sure.
    Rode the piss outa mine Saturday, way better than a Fox 34, similar in feel to my CCDBa rear.

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    Anyone have any definitive answer yet as to whether these things can be lowered or not? I want a 150mm 26" dropped to 140mm.

    SRAM is being very uncomunicative about that.

    IMO, being able to easily (fairly) adjust the travel is one of the best features of Solo Air. It'll suck if you can't do that any longer, or if the mtb group mind community can't figure out a work around.
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    Good to hear. Thanks. After the Fox 2013 line-up, I would have a hard time coughing up $900 for one of their products.

    Does the Pike ride relatively high in it's travel as advertised? Riding low has been a complaint about the fox 34 and x-fus slant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    Good to hear. Thanks. After the Fox 2013 line-up, I would have a hard time coughing up $900 for one of their products.

    Does the Pike ride relatively high in it's travel as advertised? Riding low has been a complaint about the fox 34 and x-fus slant.
    Don't really know, I didn't pay much attention to it. I never felt that the F34 rode particularly low either. What I do know, at proper sag, my 120mm F34 Talas pre CTD rode too firm in most terrain, yet I could get it to bottom at least once on a typical ride. Dialed such that there was some minimal plushness, I would easily blow through all travel. I never really noticed that it was particularly flimsy either.

    Pike 140mm soloair, on the other hand, at proper sag rides very plush when dialed properly. It uses 1/2 of the available travel just riding over rocks and hammering some light downhill chunk. I'm not quite dialed yet, but you really have to push it hard to go much beyond 85% travel use. There is no noticeable transition between the plush feel and the firm feel. Very stiff fork both front to rear, and side to side.

    I was always a strict Fox guy. The crap CTD shock that came on the back of my bike was quickly traded for Cane Creek, now I've swapped the fork out for a Pike. My bike rides much better, especially after both front and rear suspensions have been changed. Plush, yet not mushy, nice progression to quite firm when deep in the stroke.

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    I would second Optimus' comments. I don't feel my Fox road low in its travel, but it wasn't as plush or stiff. So far, the Pike is super plush but seems to always have "more" to go. It's like a super trained trail dog that just always wants to go further, longer, rougher, more. I like Fox fine, but I could never get the same combination of small and big hit comfort.

    I also find that I ride a lot with it fully open and don't really care. As long as I'm seated and pedaling smooth, it doesn't feel too soft but still give nice small bump compliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Don't really know, I didn't pay much attention to it. I never felt that the F34 rode particularly low either. What I do know, at proper sag, my 120mm F34 Talas pre CTD rode too firm in most terrain, yet I could get it to bottom at least once on a typical ride. Dialed such that there was some minimal plushness, I would easily blow through all travel. I never really noticed that it was particularly flimsy either.

    Pike 140mm soloair, on the other hand, at proper sag rides very plush when dialed properly. It uses 1/2 of the available travel just riding over rocks and hammering some light downhill chunk. I'm not quite dialed yet, but you really have to push it hard to go much beyond 85% travel use. There is no noticeable transition between the plush feel and the firm feel. Very stiff fork both front to rear, and side to side.

    I was always a strict Fox guy. The crap CTD shock that came on the back of my bike was quickly traded for Cane Creek, now I've swapped the fork out for a Pike. My bike rides much better, especially after both front and rear suspensions have been changed. Plush, yet not mushy, nice progression to quite firm when deep in the stroke.

    I would echo most of what you said, although I have a CTD shock, so can't compare to a CCDB.
    BTW, mine came with a seal kit and two orange spacer looking thingy's. What are those? Hard being on the bleeding edge because SRAM is slow to print a manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Bear View Post
    I would echo most of what you said, although I have a CTD shock, so can't compare to a CCDB.
    BTW, mine came with a seal kit and two orange spacer looking thingy's. What are those? Hard being on the bleeding edge because SRAM is slow to print a manual.
    The seal kit is for doing a seal/oil service. The spacer thingies are for changing the volume in your air spring, for tuning the rate of progressiveness. In other words, you can adjust the rate at which your fork transitions from plush to firm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    The seal kit is for doing a seal/oil service. The spacer thingies are for changing the volume in your air spring, for tuning the rate of progressiveness. In other words, you can adjust the rate at which your fork transitions from plush to firm.
    Thank you! This is my first RS, except for an older Totem, so is this (air spacer & seal kit) common among the various RS forks?
    When would you expect RS to produce a maintenance manual and/or useful owners manual?

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    Minimal info on their site, minimal on youtube. There will be something out soon, either from RS, or individuals posting on youtube etc.

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    I don't have a whole lot of time on mine yet as I had to switch out cranks but initial impressions are really good. Stiff, plush and adjustable. Granted I don't have a lot of experience on many recent forks (just traded my '96 habanero in for a '13 Zeus...big step up!) I did have a year with an Ibis mojo equipped with X-fusion Velvet. Other than the maxle (I preferred the X-fusion) the Pike is pretty freaking awesome.

    Weird that RS provides no documents online or in the box to help with fork setup but whatever, I'll figure out what feels good over time.

    Some were questioning travel adjustability - I have the 27.5 dual air and with a dial on the left leg can adjust min/max travel minimum being 130 to max 160.

    So far very stoked with the bike, forks 'n all.
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    I got the 150mm 26 pike and am very happy. I have an xfusion velvet 140 and a 2010 fox 150 32 talas fit RLC with kashima. All have tapered and 15qr. The pike is by far the smoothest and despite the fact I only weigh 125lbs the extra stiffness is quite obvious and very welcome even over relatively small bumps like 6" rocks.

    The pike only weighs 50g more than my fox so I can't imagine buying a 32 or 34 fox knowing that. The 35 pike is amazing.

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    I can give a limited ride report. So far, Rockshox has a real winner with this fork. Some (me included) wished for 20mm but having a few hours on it now I can say it's not an issue with a solid wheelset.

    Background: I've been riding since the mid 90's and was not a rockshox fan until the Lyric; Marzochi until they went to crap then Fox after that was my preference. I ride very rocky S. Cal trails and like AM style riding hitting the intermediate jumps and the tech trails. I've owned just about every fox fork and liked the 36 float on my Nomad but the Lyric solo air was better. I put a Marzochi 55TI on and then took it off after a month as the Lyric was 95% as good on the way down and 100% better up. Now I'm on a 2012 Remedy.

    I've spent the last 6 months on a 34 Float 150 and been fighting brake dive so bad I thought the bike it was on just sucked. Combined with the typical-for-Fox doesn't use the last inch of travel, the 34 is a dud IMO. I'm sending mine in for the 2014 damper upgrade but am leaving in a week for a big trip so picked up a Pike so I wasn't without a AM ride. My best decision in quite some time.

    First off, the Pike doesn't dive and my bike now handles like it should. Secondly, while sagging a perfect for me 25%, I used all but the last 5mm of travel on my typical trails with a few smaller jumps. Same trail and same sag on the 34 and I never got within an inch of using all the travel. Even if the 2014 parts make the dive issue go away, Fox has had the issue of not using it's last 15% of travel for 10 years so I don't expect that to be cured with the change (I've had 8 different fox forks, they've all been like that).

    The Pike felt very stiff in braking and the corners, a noticeable increase from the 34. Not that the 34 is bad but the Pikes increased plushness (yes, it's much more plush than the 34, this is probably the most improved aspect between the two forks and quite surprising for a not even broken in fork) combined with the stiffness is a real confidence booster. I always said the Remedy is more like a long travel trail bike but with this fork it finally feels like an AM bike that's not just capable but also confidence inspiring.

    I didn't even really research the new damper thing in there but can say that the platform works very well and can be made anywhere from slight to very solid and everything between. Our rides are pretty much all straight up then straight down so I haven't really tried riding it down with the platform on so can't comment on how it would work somewhere like Arizona with lots of small ups and downs and no time to flip the switch. I have it set with just a few clicks and it's perfect for what I like.

    I know some are asking for a comparison vs. the Lyric or 36 but that's just not a fair comparison IMO. The Pike is quite a bit lighter and is more an Enduro (whatever that is) and light-AM fork whereas the Lyric and 36 are at the heavy end of AM and light freeride. For what it's worth, I think if you hit any significant gap jumps or drops over 5 ft you should run the bigger forks. Pike would be fine if you hit everything perfect but screw up and that 10% extra the bigger fork gives might make a difference. If you mostly ride technical trails and stick to the table tops the Pike is the way to go. If I still had a Nomad it would run a Lyric. Remedy carbon is well matched with the Pike.

    Only questionable thing is that you are buying into a 1st production run product so who knows what the long term issues will be? For me, the unknown-issues-but-looks-good-now is better than the known issues with the 34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Got a fractured bone in my foot, so no ride report. But, after a neighborhood curb jump test ride, I'd say that this fork is very plush, very smooth, and under hard braking feels very stiff.

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    What is your Rune weighing in at now with the Pike on it?

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    Photo dog, thanks! Yesterday I walked into Wrench Science with about $1000 for FOX 34, walked out with ordered PIKE ! Good to hear your review. I have owned about 10 FOX forks/shocks and I am hoping this fork is as you reviewed. Fingers crossed! I will be going from Fox Float 32 CTD 150, to PIKE 160. Sweet! I love FOX forks, and I think this PIKE, if it holds tough, is going to up the game of all fork manufactures. This is good for all of us over the next few years. I really wanted a Lyrik after riding friends bike for 4 days, but my 15mm wheels are not convertible. Pike fills the bill with 35 mm stanchions, I hope it is as tuneable as FOX. I don't get super dialed, but I do spend time setting up fork each few rides.

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    I doubt very much that you'll regret your decision, hoolie. I replaced a 140mm F34 on my 29er with the 140mm Pike soloair. I am destroying my previous best elapsed times on all of the downhills that I track. If you've ever ridden on a Cane Creek Double Barrel, this fork has a very similar smooth and bottomless feel.

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    I've got a 2013 Remedy and the FOX 150 32 CTD that came with it SUCKS. Photodog's description of diving sounds like the crappy FOX fork I have on my Remedy. I've been toying with the idea of replacing it with a 2013 Marz 55CR lowered to 150 (or get an angleset and retain the Marz at 170 travel), or a Lyrik. But after seeing photodog's post on the Pike, I have another contender for a new Remedy fork. The black stanchions of the Pike are a + in the looks department IMO (kinda sick of seeing gold stanchions everywhere).

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    Have a few rides on my Pike Solo Air 160mm 26" now...

    Very stiff compared to the Revelations and Rebas I have been running for years. Tracks great.

    Extremely plush, plusher than my Revelation was, even with the big stantions.

    Easy setup, pump it up and go, no wasted time finding the fine line between plushness and travel loss as with dual air.

    The damper knob came loose right out of the box. I removed the screw, took the knob off, tightened down an odd inner threaded sleeve nut, and it was fine. The damper knob engages with the cartridge using an odd knurled contact point, it is not keyed in any way. This could be a problem, the knob takes real force to turn... No idea why they didn't use a keyed design like all the other RS forks.

    Rides high in the travel even when set up pretty soft. Not sure if it is using all the travel when set up with the proper sag. Will be watching this.

    New Maxle design is awesome, much easier and grips better (can tell because my roof rack adapter used to slip and now it doesn't).

    Decals are not clear coated over so if you don't like them you can easily remove.

    Really nice fork. Not sure if it will make my riding better, but it certainly has a nice feel. I am very glad that I chose this over the Fox 34 and Slant.

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    Sounds like the new Pikes are a winner from the reports so far. Pinkbike liked them too.

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    Is it me or does the pike A/C see, lower then the fox 34 160? My front end sits lower than it did with the fox 34 160 ( I have the pie 160 dual air). The Pike is defiantly more raked than the fox on my 2013 Enduro.

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    Fellas w/ this fork, I'm at a toss-up between the Solo-air and The Dual Position Air. I have NO experience w/ the Rockshox travel adjust forks, but the going thinking on Fox is stay away from the TALAS because they're overly complicated to service and all the extra seals make the fork feel like poo. So, need some guidance w/ this. I typically ride the Fox equivalent of the Solo-air (Float...32, 34, and 36). TIA.

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    Soloair is super plush, I have not yet wished that I could shorten the travel, climbs just fine.

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    Just a quick heads up, the new spesh camber evo top model uses a 29" pike reduced to 120mm travel so some parts must be available to reduce travel of solo air models at least at oem level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_stamp View Post
    Just a quick heads up, the new spesh camber evo top model uses a 29" pike reduced to 120mm travel so some parts must be available to reduce travel of solo air models at least at oem level.
    They make all kinds of stuff we can't buy. Certain sizes of monarch xx for instance. It's really unfortunate.

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    Has anyone used/installed the "Tokens" to make the air spring more progressive? Am interested in this fork and like a slightly progressive spring. Would be interested to hear how easy/hard it is to install the tokens, how many tokens used, and what effect it has on the spring.

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    I recently read something about Push industries releasing spacers to tune the air chamber for the new Fox forks, anyone who has complaints like above try these out? Seems like maybe Fox missed the mark on the air chamber volume and this could iron that out. It's a bummer to hear all the negative Fox talk on here lately, I always wanted to own a bike with a Fox Fork since the were the shizz back in the day.

    I am very interested in this new Pike for my Trek Stache 7 (currently has Recon Silver TK29) but as a diehard motocross guy I'm not a fan of the black coating on the sliders (I love gold!!!). I feel like I've seen Walmart bikes with cheapo forks with black coated sliders and it just makes me think cheap and that it will eventually wear down/off and look even cheaper. This seem possible?

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    About the FOX CTD, I am no fan, I would rather they put a light switch, like on my wall. On or off! Simple. I DO think the CTD needs to have accurate oil levels to work correctly. The fact that some and not others have problems would indicate oil levels from factory would be culprit, not the mechanical parts, as they would be identical. In addition to my FOX CTD Float 150 32, I have a TALAS 29er. I don't know what the TALAS is supposed to do. Useless to advanced riders. I try to use it sometimes so I feel better about the money I spent to get remote lockout for singlespeed. In general, i really like the FOX products as they have served me well. Pike still on order, I think I missed fast shipping by a week, as the demand is rising and supplies dwindling? C'mon shipper guy!

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    10 or so additional hours since my previous review and I'm appreciating the fork even more. Very solid fork and much more plush than the 34 was. 34 is on it's way to Fox for the "fix," I will toss it back on when it's back. If the diving issue is solved it is still a really good fork... but the Pike is better.

    Tryinghard and Hoolie: that 32 150mm is a joke! You guys are going to be really pleased with the Pike. What a horrible spec by some product manager in the midwest that 32/150 is. The Remedy is such a great bike but nobody knows about it because it's handicapped by a noodle of a fork and super crappy wheels. $5k for a 9.8 that needs another $1800 into it to make is as good as a $5k Ibis is just dumb. Loving mine now though, one of my favorite bikes right next to my Nomad.

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    Thanks photodog. I'm seriously considering the 2013 Pike 150 now. Sounds like the perfect replacement for the crappy FOX 32 150 CTD. It's currently a fight between the 2013 Pike and the 2013 Marz 55CR. Hmmmm... Hmmmm....
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    Someone clear this out please;

    perfect version of pike for me would be:

    29, dual position air, 140mm
    Will it be possible to get this version? Would really like the dual air (140-110mm) as i have some quite steep ascents...

    what is the product number (i cannot find it anywhere...)

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    I was a long time fan of Marzocchi and was really happy when they got their quality control back in order. I had the 2011 55ti while it was super plush, I did not like it as much as my Lyric. No platform was a big part of that but the bigger issue was that it was heavier and only a little more plush than the Lyric, not enough to justify all the extra weight.

    As for the Solo Air vs. 2 Step, Rockshox doesn't have a very good history with the 2 step so I'd personally avoid it. Of course I'm not really into travel adjustments even if they didn't break down and cause more friction so take my opinion for what it's worth.

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    2 Step was discontinued long ago, Pike and Lyrik use DUAL POSITION air springs, not 2 step.

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    160 lowered to 150

    Anyone can answer to this question that has been already asked couple of times here.
    I purchased 160mm single air and want to lower it to 150, is it possible?

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    No...from what I've read the new pike cannot be lowered. I believe I read that in this thread. They use different bladders for each size. This is why you can purchase it in a 150 or a 160 where as a fox only offers aftermarket forks in a 160 (which can be lowered).

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    Thanks for your answer, but do you have any source for it?
    I don't think you can compare it to FOX shocks and also almost all previous RS shocks was lowered with no problem by adding a spacer to a air spring...
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    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?

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    if the I remember that I read that it couldn't be lowered. I've tried find where....but no luck. I've been reading everything I could find about this fork. One of the comments in the pinkbike review was from a guy who had asked his sram rep the same question and was told that it could not be lowered. This wasn't what I originally read though. Sorry I don't have more info. My comment on about fox forks wasn't to compare them. But it makes sense to me that they offer the pike in a 150 and 160 for 26 inch wheels. I always thought that most companies that have forks with the ability to lower the travel don't bother to sell them in multiple sizes. They just.sell them at 160 for instance and let the buyer lower them if desired. This isn't true for complete builds though. I could be wrong on that but it makes sense. Also if the internals are completely new the old way of lowering the fork may not work.....I don't know...sorry

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    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?
    The path bike shop in Tustin California has them. That's where I got mine. They had several when I was there, give them a call they may have the flavor you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    Anyone know of a dealer with availability?
    Universal Cycles has the 26" 150 Universal Cycles -- Rock Shox Pike RCT3 Solo Air Fork 2014

    Use the "vip15" coupon code and it drops the price 15% to about $833.

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    I found this pinkbike post:
    RockShox Pike - Tested by mikelevy - Pinkbike
    "All Pike models will be air sprung, with riders able to choose from either a Dual Position Air (DPA) system that allows for 30mm of travel adjustment by way of simplified internals compared to previous iterations, or the fixed-travel Solo Air option that is tested here for those who don't feel the need to lower the front of their bike for climbing or tamer terrain. The spring rate on all versions of the Pike can be tuned by way of RockShox's 'Bottomless Tokens', plastic spacers that are threaded by hand into the underside of the top cap. Multiple Bottomless Tokens can be stacked up in order to increase the progressiveness of the fork throughout its travel.
    Some Pike models use RockShox's Dual Position Air travel adjust system (left), although our test fork employs their non-adjustable Solo Air spring. Volume spacers (right) can be used to adjust the fork's progression, if required."

    So I am now more confused then ever, is it possible to lower or not ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by vadimn View Post
    I found this pinkbike post:

    So I am now more confused then ever, is it possible to lower or not ???
    Bottomless tokens just tune the spring. Dual Position Air is just travel adjust. It doesn't "lower" the fork like turning the 160 into a 150, but if you want a 130mm fork you can buy the 160 DPA and use the travel adjust feature and just leave it at 130. The flip of a switch and it's back to 160. So far SRAM doesn't support lowering the pike.

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    It looks like a solid fork, but I'm disappointed on the amount of lubrication oil in the damper side (5 ml).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    It looks like a solid fork, but I'm disappointed on the amount of lubrication oil in the damper side (5 ml).
    Could you explain why? Would be interesting to know.

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    Hypethetical: Say you get a 140mm 29er...think that a Lyrik 160/170/180mm air piston assembly might fit in a Pike to get you the 160, if you stuff the thing into the Pike in the 180mm setting?

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    I spoke to SRAM - no way to lower without replacing the air spring assembly. They said that they should make them available shortly for under $100

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkitt View Post
    Could you explain why? Would be interesting to know.

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    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.
    According to one of the videos SRAM did they are using an oil they sell but they don't seem to care if you want to use a different one.

    This is the service schedule from my pike user manual:

    Every ride: clean stanchions, lubricate dust seals and stanchions (they say "upper tubes" in the manual), check air pressure, inspect stanchions for scratches.

    25 hours: check front suspension fasteners for proper torque

    50 hours: "Remove lowers, clean/inspect bushings and change oil bath"

    100 hours: "Clean and lubricate air spring assembly" and "Change oil in dampening system (including hydraulic lockout)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by litany View Post
    Every ride: clean stanchions, lubricate dust seals and stanchions (they say "upper tubes" in the manual),
    My fork came with something indistinguishable to slick honey on the dust wipers and upper tubes. No visible oil anywhere but it seems they pre-lubricated it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Does anyone with these have solid info on servicing these forks?

    I heard through the grapevine that they are using a very specific oil in them, that has a very short service life (I believe it is used in motocross race engines, requiring replacement after a few hours of use in that field). I am really interested if there will be a greater durability as we obviously do not have as much heat buildup that would break down the oil in the same fashion, or what sort of maintenance schedule sram is intending us to use on this fork.
    Lubrication oil is Maxima Maxum Ultra 0w30 (motorcycle engine oil). It does not have a short service life but because of the low amount of lubrication in damper side (5 ml) I would recommend frequent maintenance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    Lubrication oil is Maxima Maxum Ultra 0w30 (motorcycle engine oil). It does not have a short service life but because of the low amount of lubrication in damper side (5 ml) I would recommend frequent maintenance.
    That makes a heck of a lot more sense - and also why SRAM is recommending that every 50 hours of use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltik View Post
    I spoke to SRAM - no way to lower without replacing the air spring assembly. They said that they should make them available shortly for under $100
    Were you answering my post? If so, I was trying to see if a 140 Pike 29 can be bumped up to a 160 by using the 180mm travel setting Lyrik air piston for a 26...I was trying to extend the 140, not shorten.

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    So that's what the red things are for. I was going crazy trying to figure out if they were part of the fork or part of my bike or just some random parts thrown in. Axle to crown is close to 571, I got 575 but that may just be in dragging the tape-measure over. Curious what settings others are using? I started with about 70psi for 170lbs (riding weight) and it seems to be a little too much. Only about 5 clicks of rebound, but that seems like it wouldn't be enough. I go back and forth on compression between zero and dialing in some for bigger hits/drops.
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    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?

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    Also, what's with the "51mm offset" option? ... sorry, this is a beginner question. I don't really know what that means. I have a Yeti SB-95 and I'm not sure if I want the 51mm offset or not...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?
    I have the Pike 140 on my Large SB95c. I would guess it depends on the type of riding you will be doing whether to go with dual. The Solo is awesome and I think the SB-95 is well suited to the 140. I have a lot of time on the 95A with the Fox 120 and the 140 seems just as agile and much improved tuning. I do tend to run it in the middle damping position on XC type trails and open on the AM type trails. At first I was thinking about putting in a 10 mm spacer, but now with more time on the 140 I have totally given that idea up. Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    I'm looking at the 29'' 140mm Pike... but can't decide on Solo Air or Dual Position Air.

    I've ridden a Fox Talas, and the adjustable travel knob kept slipping on its own (without my doing it). Is this basically a problem with all externally-adjustable travel forks?

    Should I just stick with the Solo Air?
    The problem with externally adjustable travel forks is basically there's more to go wrong. I rode a couple of talas forks for years and never had that problem but I did run into other problems. If you service it its usually fine but it can be a pain for sure. With other rockshox forks they allow you to buy the soloair or dual position air cartridge for a reasonable price and install it yourself. Not sure if the pike ones are out yet but you aren't stuck with your decision forever or anything.

    Also people complain that the more complicated air systems have more stiction.

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    Thanks Simplemind and litany.

    Good to hear both counts. I didn't realize that you can switch out the dual position and solo eventually if needed.

    And, Simplemind, I haven't had my sb95a on a 140 at all yet, so it's cool to hear that it's all good.

    Now, about that 51mm offset...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by addATX View Post
    Now, about that 51mm offset...?
    I contacted Fox about their 34 29er... The tech (Matt?) told me the 34's rake has never changed...always been 51mm.

    Edit: I was going to make the jump from 34 to Pike which is what caused me to make the call. But, I decided to wait it out for 1 model year on the Pike...I'm sitting on a brand new 2014 (warrantied) 34 Float 29 CTD...

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    Did anyone receive their fork minus the sag markings on the stanchion? My 29 solo air 140 just arrived and they are nowhere to be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteox View Post
    Did anyone receive their fork minus the sag markings on the stanchion? My 29 solo air 140 just arrived and they are nowhere to be found.
    Some other people have gotten their hands on the 140 model and reported that it lacks the sag markings. Only the 150/160 model has them.
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    When considering travel adjust also consider how much you need it (du...). With my old bike I sometimes used it. New one, no. My new one is a Pike solo 150. The point?

    The new, a TBLTc, has a longer wheelbase. With that the front end stays more planted.
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    For anyone curious, I called Yeti about the Pike and the various offset options and they recommended just going with the standard offset. So that's what I ended up getting (the 150mm version). I can tell a slight difference in handling from the Fox 34 I had on my SB95 but I am undecided if it's positive or negative in nature yet. However, the Pike itself is much more plush and a decidedly smoother ride. The annoying brake dive from the Fox is also gone.
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    So my fork was supposed to be delivered today. Received an email update 5 minutes after the FedEx guy left. I was home...never heard a knock or anything. Now I have to wait til Tuesday! Ugh...

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    I received mine, last week, what I can tell you after a only two rides its amazing fork!
    I am running 30% sag, because fork is 160mm and I want to lower it to 150, so little more sag feeling great on my banshee spitfire.

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    Got a 160mm on the way for my SJ EVO 26.
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    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassn View Post
    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.
    Rockshox recommended settings are notorious for being way off, so don't worry about it. Just set your air pressure to get your 30% sag and go ride.
    I don't crash, I just have slightly uncontrolled dismounts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwiplague View Post
    Rockshox recommended settings are notorious for being way off, so don't worry about it. Just set your air pressure to get your 30% sag and go ride.
    Thanks. I just thought 50 PSI for a 175 lb. rider seemed low, but as you say, set the sag and ride

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    Also running 50 psi at 190lbs. Working great and haven't bottomed it yet though I'm riding slow for other reasons (arm injury).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassn View Post
    I'm running a Pike 140mm Solo on my Ripley and find that I need to run way lower than the recommended PSI to achieve 30% sag. Is anyone else having this issue? This is my first RS fork and typically Fox's recommendations were fairly close.
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.
    30% does sound high, especially for a fork reputed to run high in its travel while still being small-bump sensitive. I had to run my 2014 Fox 34 at 30% to be soft enough over small stuff for my liking. Still never used the last 15mm of travel with that thing, even off 3 foot drops to flat while at 30% sag.

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    Hoping fellow Pike owners can confirm a suspected problem.

    Got my new Pikes yesterday 26" 150mm, was very pleased - weigh only 80g more than my RCT3 Revs (1801g vs 1727g both with a 195mm steerer). Amazing.
    Very stiff and not as 'divey' as the Revs they replaced.

    However I think the damper is not working as it should -

    The dial adjuster only has two 'clicks' - one for fully open; the other when selecting platform; but no 'click' when selecting lockout.
    In lockout I can easily get 55mm of travel by pushing down on the fork.
    The Low Speed Compression has very little effect.
    When the rebound is on full 'slow' the fork still returns relatively quickly.

    Can someone confirm their fork does not behave like this?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by hardboiled View Post
    30% sag on a fork sounds like an awful lot. can you run the air pressure that low without bottoming all the time? that is how I would be determining sag, especially without an independent high speed compression adjustment.
    I also felt the same and initially ran the pressure at 60 which gave me about 25% sag. During my first descent on yesterday ride I still had about 25mm of travel unused. This run included a few 2 foot drops, smaller jumps, rocks, and pretty beat up trail conditions. At that point I lowered it to 50 and pretty much used most of the travel.

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    Good info here. Ordered a PIKE y'day to replace my Revelation. Hopefully will notice less vibrations / flex / dive which have really been screwing with me.

    re: Sag I had the revelation sitting at 25 - 30% with 80 - 90 psi and got advised to use less sag to improve the small bump compliance (counter intuitive). I had to up that to 125 psi before i got the sag around 20%. Definitely helped with the diving...but thats about it. I would expect to run my fork around 25% - 30% as others mention

    So looking fwd to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    re: Sag I had the revelation sitting at 25 - 30% with 80 - 90 psi and got advised to use less sag to improve the small bump compliance (counter intuitive).
    Can you ref your source for this statement...some sort of manual or a RS tune tech? It is indeed very counter intuitive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Can you ref your source for this statement...some sort of manual or a RS tune tech? It is indeed very counter intuitive!
    ha ha...not so lucky. It was from esteemed posters on this forum (look for "Revelation" thread from last week)....i was looking for any input to tweak performance for the better.

    what i did discover this weekend which may be total BS...was to run the fork with more damping (compression and rebound) than felt good initially...because i felt these opened up after a short time - damper fluid possibly heating up? This was on long descents where the fluids had time to heat up as opposed to XC pedaling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post

    ha ha...not so lucky. It was from esteemed posters on this forum (look for "Revelation" thread from last week)....i was looking for any input to tweak performance for the better.

    what i did discover this weekend which may be total BS...was to run the fork with more damping (compression and rebound) than felt good initially...because i felt these opened up after a short time - damper fluid possibly heating up? This was on long descents where the fluids had time to heat up as opposed to XC pedaling.
    So, mostly anecdotal... That's okay, if it works. Does it work?

    For anyone else reading this, don't get me wrong. The Pike is leaps and bounds better than the Fox, out of the box!

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    I tried everything i know - all ranges of air pressure (high / med / low) , changing damper fluid and playing with my compression settings as described. I ordered the Pike....kinda answers the question as to whether i was succesful.

    re: the Revelation...single big hits were actually fine. It soaked up a surprise 3' nose heavy roll over this weekend when for sure i thought i was going OTB...but when it came to high speed chunder / roots and heavy front braking - it struggled.

    Everyone sounds stoked on the Pike...and I am enjoying reading all the feedack / input. Hopefully I will be able to "plug and play" when it arrives.

    thanks.
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    Just received my 26" 160mm Pike. I was testing out the the settings; open, peddle, locked. In the locked position the fork did not lockout completely like X-Fusion or a Fox. It did compress slightly and with the feel of very heavy damping. Those that are running the Pike is this the same for you?

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    Yeah. I'm pretty sure they said that's how it's supposed to work. If you want go check the pinkbike coverage of it. Basically it doesn't lock out it just gets really firm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjkitt View Post
    Just received my 26" 160mm Pike. I was testing out the the settings; open, peddle, locked. In the locked position the fork did not lockout completely like X-Fusion or a Fox. It did compress slightly and with the feel of very heavy damping. Those that are running the Pike is this the same for you?

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    On the bike the compression adjuster has a pretty big effect, it doesn't turn it into a rigid fork, but it gives enough compression damping to make it resist bobbing if you are pedaling up a hill or something. Where it really shines is in rough chunky terrain where you don't want it blowing through travel. A few clicks of the adjuster keep it from diving and it still feels great, not harsh. It's exactly what low speed compression is supposed to be IMO.
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    So, found the fork entirely too linear out of the box on my initial test ride. It felt really unstable, but there was pretty much no compression damping. The fork is a 150mm 29er non-adjust travel fork.

    Initial ride setup was 60 psi to 25% sag. Rebound was 9 clicks in from full open, or roughly 50% LSR damping.

    I opened up the air chamber and noticed the fork already has one of those bottomless tokens in. I stuck in the other two for a total of 3...
    Now the fork is at 40 psi, 27.5% sag, and it ramps up quite nicely! Prob will need to dial out 2 or 3 clicks on the rebound for the reduced PSI and to get the small chatter compliance I'm looking for. Test ride to come, once the rain stops.

    I like to set the compression damping to non-existent for climbs so the front wheel can follow the ground w/o any of my weight on the bar. On the downs, turn to the middle of the RCT3 setting to get some mid-stroke support. This was how I rode the Fox 34 to pretty good effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    On the bike the compression adjuster has a pretty big effect, it doesn't turn it into a rigid fork, but it gives enough compression damping to make it resist bobbing if you are pedaling up a hill or something. Where it really shines is in rough chunky terrain where you don't want it blowing through travel. A few clicks of the adjuster keep it from diving and it still feels great, not harsh. It's exactly what low speed compression is supposed to be IMO.
    Well...is this where everyone gets confused? I have come to understand that fork manufacturers refer to low speed compression as being the first 1/3 of the forks travel. This will be forces that do not force the fork to travel more than 1/3 of the way thru its travel. Exactly...pedal induced bobbing etc...these get reduced by the compression settings and possibly eliminated if LSC is maximised or the fork is locked out.

    when we start talking about rough chunky (high speed?) terrain i want my fork open so that its active as possible and if there is a risk of it blowing through its travel - then i should be playing with the high speed compression...which is the final 1/3 of its travel. If I enter the final 1/3 of my forks travel I want to be able to determine how i am going to use that travel...because that affects my immediate future (health).

    When i am riding high speed rough chunky terrain...i picture myself riding in the middle third of the stroke and pushing into my HSC settings. In my perect world..LSC would be irrelevant once i get going on a DH.

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    Yeah that's not how it's supposed to work. Low speed compression is dampening for low speed events like going off a drop or braking or riding a berm. High speed is stuff like going up a drop (imagine going up a curb at 20mph). If you are riding down hills only using the middle part of your travel your fork is packing down and you have too much rebound dampening.

    Most forks don't have high speed compression adjustment. Downhill forks and forks like the fox 36 do but the pike doesn't, at least not via a knob.

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    Got a 160mm on the way for my SJ EVO 26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    So, found the fork entirely too linear out of the box on my initial test ride. It felt really unstable, but there was pretty much no compression damping. The fork is a 150mm 29er non-adjust travel fork.

    I opened up the air chamber and noticed the fork already has one of those bottomless tokens in. I stuck in the other two for a total of 3...

    Honestly I'm glad they made it pretty linear and then provided the bottomless tokens to allow us to tune it. It just gives us more options. I have about 20 hours on the fork right now and am still playing around with it. I've already shaved around 30 seconds off one of the 5 minute trails I ride with this fork. Crazy as that sounds. I'm thinking about putting another token in when I do the 50 hour service. Good to know it already has one in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post

    I like to set the compression damping to non-existent for climbs so the front wheel can follow the ground w/o any of my weight on the bar. On the downs, turn to the middle of the RCT3 setting to get some mid-stroke support. This was how I rode the Fox 34 to pretty good effect.
    That's what I'm doing too, working great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Well...is this where everyone gets confused? I have come to understand that fork manufacturers refer to low speed compression as being the first 1/3 of the forks travel. This will be forces that do not force the fork to travel more than 1/3 of the way thru its travel. Exactly...pedal induced bobbing etc...these get reduced by the compression settings and possibly eliminated if LSC is maximised or the fork is locked out.

    when we start talking about rough chunky (high speed?) terrain i want my fork open so that its active as possible and if there is a risk of it blowing through its travel - then i should be playing with the high speed compression...which is the final 1/3 of its travel. If I enter the final 1/3 of my forks travel I want to be able to determine how i am going to use that travel...because that affects my immediate future (health).

    When i am riding high speed rough chunky terrain...i picture myself riding in the middle third of the stroke and pushing into my HSC settings. In my perect world..LSC would be irrelevant once i get going on a DH.

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    No, low speed events are once which compress the shaft at a low-speed. A drop is a relatively low-speed event, because you only drop at 9.8m/s^2, yet hitting 4" bump at 30mph requires the fork to move MUCH faster than that low-speed event. You can't have the same damping circuit doing both events though, because damping increases as a square of velocity, which means the fork would simply hydro-lock and not compress when you hit that 4" bump if all you had was the low-speed compression circuit. High speed damping has to open up, and the faster the fork moves, the more it has to open. So going back to low speed, it might seem that it exists mostly in the beginning stroke, but that's not really true as you experience g-outs, do drops and jumps, and so on. No matter where the fork is in it's travel, it has to be able to do both of these things, such as landing a drop AND absorbing a root during the landing.

    What noticed on my avalanche stuff with fairly high-end low speed and high speed circuits was that you needed a certain amount of low-speed compression dialed into the fork/shock for the high speed circuit to work correctly. If you tried to leave it "open", it worked well enough at low speed, but at higher speeds it wasn't allowing that high-speed circuit to open up enough, so it was kind of sending oil to both circuits and not effectively decreasing the high speed damping. Upping the low speed compression damping helped it resist g-outs, diving, pedal better, and most importantly to me it seemed to help the high speed circuit open up much better when the fork reacted to a high-speed event. Sometimes this stuff seemed "overdamped" compared to an old marzocchi fork, but you take the avalanche stuff through crazy south-mountain or goat-camp super-chunk and it just leveled stuff, the faster you went, the better it got. That's what I notice from the pike.

    Compared to some of the marzocchi stuff I've had over the years, the older HSCV stuff was kind of "tuned" for moderate speed riding with little chassi control, at low speed it wallowed and moved around a bunch, at moderate speeds it wasn't bad, but try to push it to high speeds and it just gets overwhelmed, spiking, etc. Those dampers were crude and any increased compression (closing off holes) made them feel pretty bad. The RC3 I got much later was also terrible, it had a spring on top of a check-valve, kind of a poor-mans shim-stack type damper, in some ways worse than the older HSCV which at least had crude shims on it. Increasing the compression damping here just made it feel worse...at everything. Newer marzocchi RC3 Evo 2c Type R or whatever they are calling it is actually decent and nearly a carbon copy of some of the avalanche stuff.

    It's really not possible to have true adjustable high speed compression, you have to re-arrange the shim-stack. You could theoretically have a system that pre-loads the shim-stack and adjust the preload on it, but that's not the same thing as having different size or more/less shims on there either, not to mention the low speed compression blow-offs and associated springs, piston size, etc. This is usually tuned fairly well from the factory though if it's a decent damper. If it's a proper compression damper, you can increase the low speed compression without ruining the high speed ride, which seems to be what we have here with the pike. It's not like some of the products where putting in compression damping affected both the high and low speed circuits and caused the fork to spike like crazy as you tried to slow it down a bit. That's unfortunately been the "standard" for most mountain bike stuff for a long time, but really it's simply ill-performing dampers from companies too lazy to adapt proven and available technology.

    I'm no suspension expert, but going with what I know about damping so far, you'd want even less high-speed compression damping and more low-speed the faster you go in chunkier terrain. Not doing this will result in spiking due to the high speed impacts being too fast for the high-speed damper (not able to open enough for the faster impacts), and the fork will bottom due to the bigger low-speed impacts (rolling off rocks, possibly combined with high speed impacts, landing jumps, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Well...is this where everyone gets confused? I have come to understand that fork manufacturers refer to low speed compression as being the first 1/3 of the forks travel. This will be forces that do not force the fork to travel more than 1/3 of the way thru its travel. Exactly...pedal induced bobbing etc...these get reduced by the compression settings and possibly eliminated if LSC is maximised or the fork is locked out.

    when we start talking about rough chunky (high speed?) terrain i want my fork open so that its active as possible and if there is a risk of it blowing through its travel - then i should be playing with the high speed compression...which is the final 1/3 of its travel. If I enter the final 1/3 of my forks travel I want to be able to determine how i am going to use that travel...because that affects my immediate future (health).

    When i am riding high speed rough chunky terrain...i picture myself riding in the middle third of the stroke and pushing into my HSC settings. In my perect world..LSC would be irrelevant once i get going on a DH.

    cheers.
    I'm getting the feeling you're confusing position sensitivity to shaft speed sensitivity.
    Think about this: 30mph and hitting washboard...I don't care how smooth those rolls are, the damper shaft speeds will be moving fast. You'll only use 1/3 to 1/2 of your full travel (if your HSC and HSR are set correctly). Now, same 30 mph and you take your bike into a 40ft diameter berm...that damper shaft speed will be moving pretty slow as compared to the washboard. BUT, if your LSC and LSR is set correctly, it's likely you'll be in the last 1/2 or 1/3 of your travel as you pull maybe...1.5 or 2 G's in that turn...?

    So, to dissect Jayem's response a bit...
    On a drop...say 4ft...and ONLY w/ respect to compression, that would be a fast moving damper shaft speed => HSC.
    On the in-run of a ramp (or you can also think of G-outs here) and only w/ respect to compression, that shaft will be moving pretty slow in comparison to the impulse from landing a drop => LSC.

    Now, w/ respect to rebound ONLY on the same two events above...
    Chances are, when you roll off the drop, you're rolling off the edge of a flat area, so your fork will only extend from its sag point to full extension. The stored energy from only compressing the spring somewhere between 25 and 35% is relatively low, resulting in low shaft speed...=> LSR.
    But, when you load up a bike off the lip of an air, chances are, you're WAY deep in the spring's stroke. The release energy from that spring will be pretty high, making the shaft movement fast...=> HSR.

    Edit: actually, what you described sounds more like a description of rebound...

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    Those of you who've played around with the bottomless tokens: think they'd work in some of the older Solo Air forks? I've got a Totem Solo Air on my big bike that even with lots of tweaking, I still have a hard time getting it to feel great on small and slow stuff while ALSO feeling great on big and fast stuff. Thinking those, or something like them, would do the trick. Like shimming the air can on HV can rear shocks, yeah? It's my only real complaint with the fork. The bike sees a mix of local trail riding, as well as resort time. The local trails have lots of slow speed trialsy and techy things interspersed with faster bigger hits.

    Let me run lower pressure to get a bit more small bump compliance, yet still be able to handle larger hits, while using the compression circuits to keep it from being divy and wallowy?

    Pike content: Ordered up a 26" non-adjust 150mm model... It's going to replace the lowered Lyrik Solo Air on my TRc. Lyrik will go back ont he TransAM it came from, and the aging Revelation Dual Air gets sold to help pay for things!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Those of you who've played around with the bottomless tokens: think they'd work in some of the older Solo Air forks? I've got a Totem Solo Air on my big bike that even with lots of tweaking, I still have a hard time getting it to feel great on small and slow stuff while ALSO feeling great on big and fast stuff. Thinking those, or something like them, would do the trick. Like shimming the air can on HV can rear shocks, yeah? It's my only real complaint with the fork. The bike sees a mix of local trail riding, as well as resort time. The local trails have lots of slow speed trialsy and techy things interspersed with faster bigger hits.

    Let me run lower pressure to get a bit more small bump compliance, yet still be able to handle larger hits, while using the compression circuits to keep it from being divy and wallowy?

    Pike content: Ordered up a 26" non-adjust 150mm model... It's going to replace the lowered Lyrik Solo Air on my TRc. Lyrik will go back ont he TransAM it came from, and the aging Revelation Dual Air gets sold to help pay for things!
    I haven't tried the tokens yet, but I did let a lot of air out of the fork and tried to ride it like that last night. Didn't work great, it was better with more air in it, more sensitive to bumps and such, if that makes sense. I don't think it was absorbing the roots and square impacts quite as well with the pressure let out, I was getting more front end movement too, but I didn't try to adjust the damping settings at all. Usually the problem with air shocks seems to be getting all the travel, I was getting a little too close to bottom on a few jumps last night with more sag. I guess tokens would be good to try, but the fork still felt damn good with the slightly higher pressure I was running (about 70).
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Those of you who've played around with the bottomless tokens: think they'd work in some of the older Solo Air forks? I've got a Totem Solo Air on my big bike that even with lots of tweaking, I still have a hard time getting it to feel great on small and slow stuff while ALSO feeling great on big and fast stuff. Thinking those, or something like them, would do the trick. Like shimming the air can on HV can rear shocks, yeah? It's my only real complaint with the fork. The bike sees a mix of local trail riding, as well as resort time. The local trails have lots of slow speed trialsy and techy things interspersed with faster bigger hits.

    Let me run lower pressure to get a bit more small bump compliance, yet still be able to handle larger hits, while using the compression circuits to keep it from being divy and wallowy?
    !
    There's a trick used on the Fox Float forks...just shoot suspension fluid into your air chamber to take up volume. Once you figure out how much, you can replace it w/ something solid. As for Totems and tokens, does your Totem have a threaded piece under your air cap where you can thread on those tokens? If not, you might want to figure out a way to secure them onto the top of your air piston...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BorisD View Post
    Hoping fellow Pike owners can confirm a suspected problem.

    Got my new Pikes yesterday 26" 150mm, was very pleased - weigh only 80g more than my RCT3 Revs (1801g vs 1727g both with a 195mm steerer). Amazing.
    Very stiff and not as 'divey' as the Revs they replaced.

    However I think the damper is not working as it should -

    The dial adjuster only has two 'clicks' - one for fully open; the other when selecting platform; but no 'click' when selecting lockout.
    In lockout I can easily get 55mm of travel by pushing down on the fork.
    The Low Speed Compression has very little effect.
    When the rebound is on full 'slow' the fork still returns relatively quickly.

    Can someone confirm their fork does not behave like this?

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    This is how my fork is as well. No click on the lockout setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    There's a trick used on the Fox Float forks...just shoot suspension fluid into your air chamber to take up volume. Once you figure out how much, you can replace it w/ something solid. As for Totems and tokens, does your Totem have a threaded piece under your air cap where you can thread on those tokens? If not, you might want to figure out a way to secure them onto the top of your air piston...
    Not that I recall, but if there is, I doubt it would be the same size as what is under the Pike cap anyhow. Will take a look, and play with some oil in there to see how it feels.

    Figuring a way to stick something on the underside of the cap doesn't seem as if it would be too hard to figure out.
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    Has anybody with a Dual Position Air (DPA) Pike ridden it much in the low travel position?

    This thread says that the DPA low position (on a Revelation) is intended mainly for climbing and the air spring in that position is too linear to use all the time. Can Bottomless Tokens be installed on the DPA model or are they only included with the Solo Air model? Is it possible to set up the DPA Pike to have good performance in the low position without ruining the performance in full travel mode?

    I'm contemplating buying a 29" Pike with DPA and would prefer to use it in 120mm travel mode most of the time, switching to 150mm mode only for the most rugged trail sections.

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    A few notes on my Pike. 140mm 29er, 46 offset.

    -I couldn't get full travel out if it at first, even with pressure lowered 15 psi under recommended. It felt awesome, but I just could only get 110mm of travel. Found that there were two volume reducing tokens in it from the factory (as well as two in the box). Removed them and it felt much better, ended up putting one back in to better balance it to the rear suspension on my Scott Genius.

    -No sag gradients on the stanchions.

    -Smoothest fork I've ever felt.

    -It's lighter than claimed 1863 g no axle, 1937 g with axle. And that's with two air reducers in the air chamber. (16 grams each)

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    Quote Originally Posted by brentos View Post
    A few notes on my Pike. 140mm 29er, 46 offset.

    -I couldn't get full travel out if it at first, even with pressure lowered 15 psi under recommended. It felt awesome, but I just could only get 110mm of travel. Found that there were two volume reducing tokens in it from the factory (as well as two in the box). Removed them and it felt much better, ended up putting one back in to better balance it to the rear suspension on my Scott Genius.
    This is good info thanks. I'm experiencing something similar on my rig, new Knolly Endorphin with 150mm 26" Pike. I've slowly kept lowering the pressure but still haven't bottomed it yet. Right now I'm about at 65 psi, and I'm about 215 RTR. At this pressure it's a bit more divey than I like, even with the LSC almost all the way cranked in open mode. I'll pull it apart this weekend and check to see if I have some of those tokens installed, my guess from reading your post is there might be.
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    Could someone please post A-C numbers for all of the variations on this fork?

    I found the attached thumbnail from another thread but it will not open. Online search only gets a blurry chart that cannot be read.

    Considering this fork for my Knolly Endorphin, but cannot decide if I will go with the 26" 150/160mm or 27.5 150mm version. Currently running a Fox 36 Float set to 150mm for 535mm A-C and external cup HS.

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    Bubba, I can't remember but I looked it up long ago before I ordered mine. IIRC, the 26" 150 (which I bought) has a 532mm AtC, versus a 150mm Revelation at 528mm.

    Not sure about the others since I wasn't interested in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    This is how my fork is as well. No click on the lockout setting.
    PM sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    I tried everything i know - all ranges of air pressure (high / med / low) , changing damper fluid and playing with my compression settings as described. I ordered the Pike....kinda answers the question as to whether i was succesful.

    re: the Revelation...single big hits were actually fine. It soaked up a surprise 3' nose heavy roll over this weekend when for sure i thought i was going OTB...but when it came to high speed chunder / roots and heavy front braking - it struggled.

    Everyone sounds stoked on the Pike...and I am enjoying reading all the feedack / input. Hopefully I will be able to "plug and play" when it arrives.

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    @MuttonChops: I had the EXACT same problem with my Revelation. It is a great fork for regular trail riding, but give it some chop and it seemed to stiffen up horribly. Replaced it with a Pike on my SB-66 and its a new bike. The Pike really softens up the choppy roots and rocks, and takes a big hit nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Bubba, I can't remember but I looked it up long ago before I ordered mine. IIRC, the 26" 150 (which I bought) has a 532mm AtC, versus a 150mm Revelation at 528mm.

    Not sure about the others since I wasn't interested in them.
    Thanks! It looks like the 27.5" 150mm lands at 542mm a-c. Same as the 26" 160mm.
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    Just a PSA/heads up.
    I've been dinking w/ the bottomless tokens... I said before I stuck in 3 of them into the 150mm 29er fork. I can say for certain that the fork won't bottom onto those three (3) tokens.
    Let out all air and pushed until the crown bottomed on the main seal...all good. AND, the progressiveness w/ 3 tokens felt great...w/ just a hair over 50psi pressure, and LSC wide open.

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    It's here, and it's sweet already!

    Dumped rain most of the day, so no trail time. Should be able to get a ride in tomorrow.



    Out of the box, playing around with pressure and damping, smoooooooooth! Ended up popping two tokens in, and dropping pressure a touch - feels good - around the block.

    I usually ride with a shock pump anyhow (all my forks/rear shocks are air) but will take the socket wrench along with so playing with the spacers on trail/mid ride will be possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post

    Ended up popping two tokens in, and dropping pressure a touch - feels good - around the block.
    Looks good!

    You bring up a question with the tokens. Mine feels a bit better with less pressure, but a bit too divey (when full open) and I'd about guarantee I'd bottom it often. A bit more psi corrects those issues, but then it's not as plush. So I was wondering if I ran the lower pressure but with a token or two, if that would help the dive situation? It seems like it might in theory, but I can't say for certain.

    Right now in open I've got the LSC about 3 clicks from full hard IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Looks good!

    You bring up a question with the tokens. Mine feels a bit better with less pressure, but a bit too divey (when full open) and I'd about guarantee I'd bottom it often. A bit more psi corrects those issues, but then it's not as plush. So I was wondering if I ran the lower pressure but with a token or two, if that would help the dive situation? It seems like it might in theory, but I can't say for certain.

    Right now in open I've got the LSC about 3 clicks from full hard IIRC.
    That's exactly how you want to use them.

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    Re: Pike 2014

    So I have a new Pike waiting to go on my new Firebird build. If you guys don't mind, what are your riding weights and when you added tokens was there already one installed like I have seen mentioned? I'm 155lbs. Then add some weight for gear and some amount of hydration. The lighter the rider the less you would need the fork to ramp up by using the tokens in theory right?

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    Yeah thats my understanding, lighter rider needs less progressiveness so less token spacers. Im about 245 ready to ride, and could pretty easily bottom my pike with ~80 psi in it (with an accurate shock pump, the pump that came with my fork is about 30psi low), and that was at 15% sag. My pike did have one token installed from the factory, and I just added another. Going to try it soon at just above 20% sag with 2 spacers and see how it feels.
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    Anyone have trouble with their forks?

    When i originally set my sag at 25% it required about 70psi. Now it is sitting at 30% sag with the same pressure. With 0 psi it rests at about 50% sag and i cant get it to fully extend unless i pump it up to 150psi. even with no weight on the fork (in stand) it sits at 50% sag at 0 psi.

    Is there any negative spring i need to know about???

    Also the rock shox site says to use 0w30 oil in the lower legs. Not to sure about using multi grade engine oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11highlights View Post
    Q: Anyone have trouble with their forks?
    A: Not yet...but mine are low miles, yet

    Q: Is there any negative spring i need to know about???
    A: Doesn't the SoloAir spring have communication between the positive and negative spring chambers? On the Monarch rear shock there is a little pressure equalization dimple on the air can, reached when the shock is at full extension... I'd wager there's something like that for the fork also. I'd try pulling on the bar w/ foot on the axle to see if it releases the negative air...

    Q: Also the rock shox site says to use 0w30 oil in the lower legs. Not to sure about using multi grade engine oil.
    A: I used synthetic 20/50 engine oil in Fox forks for lube oil...works beautifully; no issues at all! And, Fox didn't say a thing when my 34 went back to them 4 times...no seals swelling, nada.
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    How are you guys conducting the sag measurement? IE, how do you weight the bike to get a proper sag reading?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    How are you guys conducting the sag measurement? IE, how do you weight the bike to get a proper sag reading?
    Put on all your gear. Hydration pack if you wear one, with water, full bottles on the bike of not. Helmet, shoes, the works.

    Put your bike near a wall or in a hallway. Get on the bike in whatever position you will use most, either attack or seated. Lean lightly against the wall, and attempt to balance. If the travel indicator o-ring / zip tie has a gap to the fork or shock, move them in place. (This would mean you bounced the bike when you got on it, but it's not a big deal.)

    Get off carefully and measure or read the sag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    How are you guys conducting the sag measurement? IE, how do you weight the bike to get a proper sag reading?
    Fully kitted up, seat position instead of attack, w/ Reverb at full ext....basically, climbing position. Done on flat ground as a trade-off between pitched up and lifting (climbing) and pitched down and brake diving (downhilling). LSC on front and rear wide open. Bounce on the bike to get it to settle in, then move the o-rings down.

    For me, I like both ends at ~27% sag, but that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Get off carefully and measure or read the sag.
    OK, just like you do with the rear. Always seems like the rear takes more "static weight" than the front, especially seated, so I was wondering if there was a different treatment for the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    OK, just like you do with the rear. Always seems like the rear takes more "static weight" than the front, especially seated, so I was wondering if there was a different treatment for the front.
    Because of this I have never liked to measure sag on my fork. I feel like if I get the sag right in my garage it is way too soft on the trail. I've resorted to trial an error with a shock pump in my pack on the trail. Once I get it feeling good I remember the psi.

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    anyone have a review of the dual position version to share?
    anyone have a weight for the 650b dual position?

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    anyone have any tire clearance issues? Im wondering if a 26x2.4 trail king will fit in the 160mm 26" pike

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    2.4 trail king fits with plenty of clearance

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    Plenty of clearance for even a large volume 2.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by strader View Post
    2.4 trail king fits with plenty of clearance
    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    Plenty of clearance for even a large volume 2.5
    thanks guys. I have the pike with 2.25 ardents now just wasnt sure how much bigger the 2.4 trail kings would be compared to them. Going to be mounting them on flowex wheels. going to order them up now.

    strader have any pictures by any chance?

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    Re: Pike 2014

    I wonder when this baby will ever reach the Far East. Seems North America and EU get theirs first.

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    anyone have any tire clearance issues? Im wondering if a 26x2.4 trail king will fit in the 160mm 26" pike
    Not going to be a problem. Tons of clearance around a 2.35 Hans Dampf.


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    I've been tinkering with my Monarch to try to get it to match the feel of the Pike and I can't get it even close. Is it just me or is this driving anyone else a little crazy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    I've been tinkering with my Monarch to try to get it to match the feel of the Pike and I can't get it even close. Is it just me or is this driving anyone else a little crazy?
    Pike feels similar to a CCDBair. My bike now rides like a magic carpet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus View Post
    Pike feels similar to a CCDBair. My bike now rides like a magic carpet.
    I was afraid someone would suggest a piggyback shock. I'm riding a RIP 9. No room (or real need) for a piggyback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scvkurt03 View Post
    I was afraid someone would suggest a piggyback shock. I'm riding a RIP 9. No room (or real need) for a piggyback.
    Need?? Who cares about need? It's want. I want, I want, I want!!!

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    Need?? Who cares about need? It's want. I want, I want, I want!!!
    If there was room, I'd have ordered one 5 minutes ago.

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    How is the small bump compliance? Im tossing up a Pike or a 55 RC3 Evo.

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    Have both and just replaced 55 RC3 with Pike solo 160mm yesterday and went for 22 mile ride that has 4kft climb and 9 mile descend. Not as good as 55 RC3 on suppleness and tracking but good enough. I am running 55psi which is 10psi below my recommended rider weight. It yields 20-25% sag. I am going to run 50psi on next outing. From what I understand factory preinstalls one bottomless token but I havent opened it up to confirm this. Definitely rides higher up in its travel than other forks. Biggest gain I am seeing is 1.2lbs in weight saving and front-end feels so much more nimble. Feels plenty stiff but not as stiff as 55.

    FYI, I am running 650B version 160mm Pike on 26" bike since I was looking to raise the front-end height a bit.
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    Good job! My 2 cents

    Got a three hour ride on my brothers 140mm pike. Really quick background is that I love coil forks....my favorite is a 160 mm lyrik and I've got a 150 coil revelation, converted. Hate air fork for the stiction and lack of mid support.

    My ultimate fork would be the new pike with a coil uturn.

    My ride on the pike was so impressive I had to post a review....although I don't want to pay msrp I would love to find one cheaper. I found the small bump unbelievable for an air fork and rockshox was right that this indeed does ride higher in the travel. Big hits where plush of course but my biggest need in a fork is small bump and this was awesome. And of course it was almost 1.5lbs lighter than a coil lyrik. Stiffness was great and all the compression damping worked excellently. Another impressive feature was on e dh the fork maintained its plush small bump as sometime my other forks would stiffen up (damper oil foaming maybe?). But really great on extended dh. Will prob hold onto my lyrik until I find a pike cheaper but I'm excited about the thought of getting one.

    Oh, my biggest complaint was on an extended steep dh, the fork rode noticeably more into the travel....brake dive. I'm sure there was a way to combat that, more psi or spacer but it wasn't a big deal as the majority of the ride was awesome. So overall it rides really really close to a coil and possibly would replace my coil lyrik.

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    Check Tryon Bike for good prices.

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    ...or at Art's Cyclery and use promo code "facebook20" for 20% off
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    Thanks for the links....I guess every retailers best price is 20% off retail. Same for both and pretty consistent on ebay as well.

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    I dont see better deal coming anytime soon unless RC model shows up for less $$$ or people starts reporting massive reliability issue. Performance wise nothing beats this fork at its weight and travel spec.
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    I have been riding this fork for over a month now and I am extremely satisfied. It's very impressive how consistent the fork is. Riding through a long rock garden there is no noticeable difference towards the end. The fork recovers very well from each hit and stays controlled the entire time.

    One big advantage of this fork is the small bump compliance. Compared to the fox 32s I've ridden (talas and float) which are the same weight as this fork, the difference is night and day. Not only out of the box is the small bump compliance better but after a lot of riding its still way better. For example I demoed a brand new bike with a brand new fox float on it and in a weekend of riding the small bump compliance got much worse. This is par for the course in my experience with multiple fox 32s. The fact that this pike keeps impressing me day after day with the small bump performance is just amazing. This is why I really, really like the fork. The performance doesn't degrade.

    When I first got the fork it was a very difficult decision. It's very expensive and I couldn't demo it. I thought I was making a huge gamble. Looking back I'm so happy I pulled the trigger.

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    How is the new Pike 160mm compared to Lyrik RC2DH?
    I am choosing between the two forks, I mostly do trail riding but occasionally I'll take my bike to bike parks using DH tires and like to ride in rough terrain. Next bike will probably be a Covert 26" with 160mm.

    I don't need lock out but being able to lowering a couple of cm is a plus.
    Pike is lightweight but I really dont like 15mm axle...
    All these decisions make my life so hard to live

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    DUAL POSITION Up to 30mm? up to 20mm? up to 10mm?

    My apologies if this has been brought up in this thread but can a fellow member confirm if the new dual position Pike forks can be set to have dual position at 160 /150 mm. I see some ads with the Pike sold at 160/140 mm so this tells me the 30mm is not the ONLY setting in between. Am I smoking something strong today or is my question legit? Is it a matter or tinkering with internal spacers? Thanks to all.

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    So anyone done and oil change yet?

    What the hell does bleed mean for the Pike damper?

    0w30 for the lowers is nice - cheap and easy to get at most any auto parts or moto store. Actually, same with the 3w for the damper side upper.

    This is the first RS fork in along time that I've not broken down and done an oil change to right out of the box. Doesn't feel as if it needs it yet by any stretch, but, curiosity is getting the better of me...

    Nice to see some documentation starting to show up finally.

    http://cdn.sram.com/cdn/farfuture/wX...oairtokens.pdf

    Appears as if you can run up to 4 tokens in the 26" 150mm (what i have) though mine only came with two in the box. Likely be a while before they'll be available to buy aftermarket.

    Wonder when the next spare parts lists and full service docs for this thing will be available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    So anyone done and oil change yet?

    What the hell does bleed mean for the Pike damper?
    The closed damper only holds a set amount of oil, so they don't list the specific amount(?). Just fill it up and bleed the air out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncfisherman View Post
    The closed damper only holds a set amount of oil, so they don't list the specific amount(?). Just fill it up and bleed the air out.
    Gotcha - that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    So anyone done and oil change yet?

    What the hell does mean for the Pike damper?

    Appears as if you can run up to 4 tokens in the 26" 150mm (what i have) though mine only came with two in the box. Likely be a while before they'll be available to buy aftermarket.

    Wonder when the next spare parts lists and full service docs for this thing will be available.
    You most likely have a token in the fork already, Both my 140 29" and 160 26" pikes had 1 token pre installed and 2 in the box for a total of 3 tokens each.

    Heres a video of the Pike bleed,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    You most likely have a token in the fork already, Both my 140 29" and 160 26" pikes had 1 token pre installed and 2 in the box for a total of 3 tokens each.

    Heres a video of the Pike bleed,,

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    Nope. Already installed the two tokens mine came with - none were in the fork when I opened it up. Their pdf doc shows (in my model at least) you can have up to four.

    Thanks for the link!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Nope. Already installed the two tokens mine came with - none were in the fork when I opened it up. Their pdf doc shows (in my model at least) you can have up to four.

    Thanks for the link!
    How does the ride compare with the Tokens added? Did you put them in so you could run more sag and not bottom out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    How does the ride compare with the Tokens added? Did you put them in so you could run more sag and not bottom out?
    Yep. The fork wasn't feeling wallowy or too divy, but would use up a lot of travel and/or bottom on small stuff, even with compression cranked up.

    The tokens lets me run less pressure and LSC while still not feeling wallowy or divy, and not using up lots of travel or bottoming out little shit.

    On the biggest/harshest landing drop (at least that i do on my trail bike) on my local stuff, I'm using all but a couple mm of travel according to the o-ring. Still is soaking up the little trail chatter as well. And I'm riding all the time with the damper in the "open" position - I'm a set it and forget it guy, so once I get it all dialed in for me, I tend to not screw with things.

    We have a fun mix of high speed short and steep ups and downs, interspersed with slow speed technical, and lots of slow speed trialsy stuff alternate lines here and there - so far, the fork has been feeling freakn' awesome on all of it after popping the tokens in.

    I'd actually like to get myself two more tokens to play with, just to see. As well, if the Pike inner threaded top-cap would fit the Lyrik, I could play with the spacers on that as well - that fork is now on an older/backup/loaner bike.

    Anyhow, I suspect the charger damper and volume spacer top-caps will make their way onto all their new forks. Would be sweet if they'd offer a way to retro-fit the stuff to some older forks. Would be sweet in the Totem Solo Air on my big play bike that sees local trail riding AND lift served time.
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    Update!

    Pike air cap will fit a Lyrik. I put mine in with the two tokens installed - no problem. Measuring the internal height, it appears there is physically space to fit four of the things without mechanical bottom out/issues. Once they have the spare parts out there, that will allow a lot of tweaking of older Lyriks for not much cash! Nice!

    The only real difference of the top-caps, other than the internal threading, is the Lyrik one you can remove/swap the entire schreader setup vs. only being able to swap out the valve core on the Pike cap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Update!

    Pike air cap will fit a Lyrik. I put mine in with the two tokens installed - no problem. Measuring the internal height, it appears there is physically space to fit four of the things without mechanical bottom out/issues. Once they have the spare parts out there, that will allow a lot of tweaking of older Lyriks for not much cash! Nice!

    The only real difference of the top-caps, other than the internal threading, is the Lyrik one you can remove/swap the entire schreader setup vs. only being able to swap out the valve core on the Pike cap.
    How heavy are you and what air pressure are you running? Just trying to calibrate myself.

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    2014 pike dual position 29er fork available in black or only in white?
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    There seems to be a black 160/125 available on the new WFO. Is that available aftermarket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover View Post
    Yep. The fork wasn't feeling wallowy or too divy, but would use up a lot of travel and/or bottom on small stuff, even with compression cranked up.

    The tokens lets me run less pressure and LSC while still not feeling wallowy or divy, and not using up lots of travel or bottoming out little shit.

    On the biggest/harshest landing drop (at least that i do on my trail bike) on my local stuff, I'm using all but a couple mm of travel according to the o-ring. Still is soaking up the little trail chatter as well. And I'm riding all the time with the damper in the "open" position - I'm a set it and forget it guy, so once I get it all dialed in for me, I tend to not screw with things.

    We have a fun mix of high speed short and steep ups and downs, interspersed with slow speed technical, and lots of slow speed trialsy stuff alternate lines here and there - so far, the fork has been feeling freakn' awesome on all of it after popping the tokens in.

    I'd actually like to get myself two more tokens to play with, just to see. As well, if the Pike inner threaded top-cap would fit the Lyrik, I could play with the spacers on that as well - that fork is now on an older/backup/loaner bike.

    Anyhow, I suspect the charger damper and volume spacer top-caps will make their way onto all their new forks. Would be sweet if they'd offer a way to retro-fit the stuff to some older forks. Would be sweet in the Totem Solo Air on my big play bike that sees local trail riding AND lift served time.
    Adding tokens, and lowering the pressure would help the fork ride lower, use more travel on hits, possibly not have enough for the next successive hit in very chunky terrain. It sounds based on your description that you want it to be less progressive and more linear, which means less tokens and higher pressure, vs. more sag and lower pressure.

    But it's great that it's tunable and just performs amazing. I keep thinking: "A 4lb fork?".

    All I really want suspension-wise is for this kind of good damping technology that you have in the more "downhill" oriented stuff to be applied to the more XC stuff, rather than the simple and sometimes poorly-working XC systems that have all the fads like levers and and lockouts. Just give me decent damping and tunability and screw the rest.
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    Black 36mm 27.5" Lyrik.. wonder what that would cost
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    Anyone knows if reducing a 160mm pike 29 to 150mm is possible (2014 model)?

    If it is possible, do I have to change damper or maybe just deal with the spacers?

    Thx, Mo.

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    Has anyone had issues with the fork making a rattling feel when holding the front brake and rocking it for and aft? It is were the upper stanchions go into the lower legs I think. It is a 160 26" dual position air. PLEASE HELP

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    Quote Originally Posted by ski1970 View Post
    Has anyone had issues with the fork making a rattling feel when holding the front brake and rocking it for and aft? It is were the upper stanchions go into the lower legs I think. It is a 160 26" dual position air. PLEASE HELP
    Sounds like your headset is loose and needs adjusting. Check that.

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    No that was checked and also taken apart and re grease and set back up. It is tight and good

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    Hi there,
    I am riding Pike2014 on my v1 Banshee Spitfire for a month and very satisfied, but I am planning to move forward to new Spitfire and run 27.5" wheels, so my question is, is it possible to convert 26" Fork to 27.5" ? may be by replacing bottom "legs" ???
    Thanks in advice

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    I have the 650B version 160mm Pike. I am pretty sure lower is the only part different among 26, 27.5, and 29. I believe lower is taller by 10mm on 650B version vs. 26" on same travel version. I am currently running 650B version Pike on my 26" frame with 26" wheelset. I see a bit more gap between the top of tire and the bottom of lower arch than other 26" fork setup I have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ski1970 View Post
    Has anyone had issues with the fork making a rattling feel when holding the front brake and rocking it for and aft? It is were the upper stanchions go into the lower legs I think. It is a 160 26" dual position air. PLEASE HELP
    Which brakes, some flavor of the new shitmano? My M820 pads rattles in its caliper. Grab a handful of front brake and move the bike back/forth, and I can feel the rotor shift in the caliper when you pinch the rotor w/ your finger right next to the caliper.

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    Am I the only one who is losing travel when setting the proper sag? At 25ish% sag my 160mm 26" Pike is sucked down to the 5% used mark with no pressure on the front of the bike.

    Any way to solve this other than putting more pressure in then I want to?

    I am 205 lbs, so not a lightweight... If it is happening to me than lighter riders must have the same issue...

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    Not the brake

    It is not the brake. I Have located a slight movement sound were the stanchion goes into the lower leg and can feel a slight movement as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Which brakes, some flavor of the new shitmano? My M820 pads rattles in its caliper. Grab a handful of front brake and move the bike back/forth, and I can feel the rotor shift in the caliper when you pinch the rotor w/ your finger right next to the caliper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackHound View Post
    I have the 650B version 160mm Pike. I am pretty sure lower is the only part different among 26, 27.5, and 29. I believe lower is taller by 10mm on 650B version vs. 26" on same travel version. I am currently running 650B version Pike on my 26" frame with 26" wheelset. I see a bit more gap between the top of tire and the bottom of lower arch than other 26" fork setup I have.
    Thanks, I also think so, but I want to be sure, is any ability to contact sram?

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    Okay... so where do I get the tokens? I'm already at 2 in a 150mm 26 and I think one more and I'll have the small bump and High Speed progressiveness I'm keen to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Okay... so where do I get the tokens? I'm already at 2 in a 150mm 26 and I think one more and I'll have the small bump and High Speed progressiveness I'm keen to have.
    How much do you weigh? And on what frame if you don't mind sharing...
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    Re: Pike 2014

    Has anybody put a 29" 140mm internals to a 650b pike?
    I have seen 650b 140mm pike and it required changing the internals. I am just trying to find out how it was done...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    How much do you weigh? And on what frame if you don't mind sharing...
    255 geared. 2013 XL Knolly Endorphin.

    I'm close. I think one more token gets me the balance and performance I want, as it sits with 2 tokens, it is already better than the 13 Fox CTD its replacing (although Fox is sending me 2014 cart so that may go back on as comparison and possibly get the Fox Enduro/MX 34 tune).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kroe View Post
    Am I the only one who is losing travel when setting the proper sag? At 25ish% sag my 160mm 26" Pike is sucked down to the 5% used mark with no pressure on the front of the bike.

    Any way to solve this other than putting more pressure in then I want to?

    I am 205 lbs, so not a lightweight... If it is happening to me than lighter riders must have the same issue...

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    Most forks will do this. It's not a big deal and its one of the reasons it feels so good on the top of the stroke. What kind of pressure are you running? I am 195 plus gear and run 70psi and 4 clicks from closed on the lsc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    255 geared. 2013 XL Knolly Endorphin.

    I'm close. I think one more token gets me the balance and performance I want, as it sits with 2 tokens, it is already better than the 13 Fox CTD its replacing (although Fox is sending me 2014 cart so that may go back on as comparison and possibly get the Fox Enduro/MX 34 tune).
    Cool, thanks. I'm 215 on a L Endo myself. I've not tried messing with the tokens yet, but I did check and mine didn't come with any installed.
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    I'm going to call RS today and see where I can get more tokens.

    Didn't notice one. Two started to make things a bit more noticeably progressive. I think three will give me the small bump, sag, and the ramp for more aggressive lines/chunk.

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    Let us know. I'd like to get another one too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushPilot View Post
    Let us know. I'd like to get another one too.
    On the way to my local shop. Have your LBS call and request SRAM to send the tokens. Should be a few days. Going to three and I think I will be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Has anybody put a 29" 140mm internals to a 650b pike?
    I have seen 650b 140mm pike and it required changing the internals. I am just trying to find out how it was done...
    i too would like to hear about this. i want to put this fork on my Blur TRC but the A-C of the 26" 150mm is ~532mm - too tall for the TRC. if i could drop this to ~522mm that'd be $$$

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrwills View Post
    i too would like to hear about this. i want to put this fork on my Blur TRC but the A-C of the 26" 150mm is ~532mm - too tall for the TRC. if i could drop this to ~522mm that'd be $$$
    The 26" 150mm airspring assembly (RS Part#11.4018.026.003) which is the same assembly as a 120mm 29" Pike. The 140mm 29" airspring is the same as the 27.5 160mm Pike (RS Part#11.4018.026.001). BTI-USA doesn't have them in stock yet, but they are all on the website if your curious under "Rock Shox SoloAir Travel Adjustment Air Shafts"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    The 26" 150mm airspring assembly (RS Part#11.4018.026.003) which is the same assembly as a 120mm 29" Pike. The 140mm 29" airspring is the same as the 27.5 160mm Pike (RS Part#11.4018.026.001). BTI-USA doesn't have them in stock yet, but they are all on the website if your curious under "Rock Shox SoloAir Travel Adjustment Air Shafts"

    BTI | Suspension Fork Service Parts from Rock Shox (page 2)
    thanks. i spoke with a shop who called RS directly. he was told there isn't an airspring available to get 140mm on the 26" version. they did confirm it was in 'development and thought it would be available sometime this winter'...

    i hope that is the case although i'm confused on what needs to be 'developed'. seems to me something in the 26"/150mm spring needs to be shortened by 10mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrwills View Post
    i too would like to hear about this. i want to put this fork on my Blur TRC but the A-C of the 26" 150mm is ~532mm - too tall for the TRC. if i could drop this to ~522mm that'd be $$$
    FWIW, I'm running a 150mm Pike 26" on my TRc and it feels sweeeeeeet! Sure, it's a few mm taller than my prior fork(s) but I'm also running more sag - IMO, it works out just fine. Best I can figure out, when on the bike/geared up, I'm riding about 10mm taller up front than their suggestion of 140mm travel. Been a couple weeks now, and it's riding fabulously.

    Now, the SC warranty department may have other ideas... However, I'm not at all worried about the frame integrity. I worry more about bashing and dragging the lower link on rocks than the head-tube area by a ginormous margin.

    Also figure their pro guys have used these frames as 4x and DS and DJ type frames (albeit with stock size forks AFAIK) riding them way, way harder, more aggressively, and abusively than anything my 150# skinny as will.

    I'd like to drop it down to 140mm as well, if/when a way comes about to do so, but am not too worried about it if not.

    Also about eventually swapping it to a 650b setup. New lowers for sure, sounds as if some of the internals as well, but maybe not all. Cost of those and doing the swap myself vs. buying an entirely new fork down the road...?
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    Ski1970, its sounds similar to the what i have experienced with my 150 solo airs. If i apply front brake and slightly rock the the bike there is movement between the the stanchions and lower legs. If i then compress the fork let it extended back and then pick the front wheel up the lowers drop around 4mm. Its noticeable when riding too which is a little off putting! They have been back to tf tuned where i bought them, who then sent them back to Fishers (UK distributor) to look at. Just got them back two days ago after Fishers said they were "operating in away they would expect to see" ?? Still the same as they were before now i've got them back on the bike. Thought it may have been bit stiction but have cleaned & lubed the seals & still the same! Is this normal operating, i haven't experienced this with other forks. Anyone able to confirm this is as it should be??

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    Could someone please check if;

    110-140 mm DUAL POSITION air in BLACK

    will be possible to get, or not?

    searched everything/where, found no answer...

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