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    2015 to 2016 Fox 36 Float

    Any real changes or pluses to the 2016 model?
    I am looking to change the fork on my Remedy (140mm Pike) and I was thinking a 150mm Float Fox 36 . Got my eye on a 2015 160mm Float 36 RC2, and I would change the travel to 150.
    Just checking to see if there really is any benefit to the 2016....

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    Same fork, different decals.

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    I see. BNG. Excellent.
    I pounced on it. I figure I'll reduce it to 150, and even if the valving or something is not as good, I can send it to PUSH and still come out $300+ in the black over a 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    Any real changes or pluses to the 2016 model?
    I am looking to change the fork on my Remedy (140mm Pike) and I was thinking a 150mm Float Fox 36 . Got my eye on a 2015 160mm Float 36 RC2, and I would change the travel to 150.
    Just checking to see if there really is any benefit to the 2016....
    Fox claims service intervals on the 2016's are 125 hours while on the 2015's were 30 hours.

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    2016 has two versions of the 36, one of them can be had with a 15mm quick release and a FIT4 damper that allows you to lock out the fork if you feel you need that option.

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    This is interesting. I expected the Fox to be a lot heavier for some reason.

    Pike, with Maxle - 140mm travel
    1920 grams
    2015 to 2016 Fox 36 Float-pike-scale.jpg



    Fox 36 160mm travel, with 15mm axle, 15mm axle adapters, and uncut steerer.
    2030 grams
    2015 to 2016 Fox 36 Float-fox36-scale.jpg
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 2015 to 2016 Fox 36 Float-pike-scale.jpg  


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    Interesting DWB, I'm looking to upgrade my Revelation RC3 to either a Pike or a Fox 36. Any reason you didn't like the Pike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RWhiz View Post
    Interesting DWB, I'm looking to upgrade my Revelation RC3 to either a Pike or a Fox 36. Any reason you didn't like the Pike?
    I am not a huge RockShox fan. It worked well, but when my frame got warrantied, Trek sent me a Remedy 9.9 frame, which was a matte finish grey. The glossy black Pike was not a problem, but I was also getting a set of wheels. Everything coming together just made me get a 20mm axle fork, a little more travel, and a beefier fork yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWhiz View Post
    Interesting DWB, I'm looking to upgrade my Revelation RC3 to either a Pike or a Fox 36. Any reason you didn't like the Pike?
    Pike is more supple in the mid range, but the 36 provides a lot more support and rides higher. For typical XC/Trail stuff the Pike feels a little better. More aggressive riders 36 no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Pike is more supple in the mid range, but the 36 provides a lot more support and rides higher. For typical XC/Trail stuff the Pike feels a little better. More aggressive riders 36 no question.
    Actually, I forgot too. I was having an issue with what felt like a very harsh initial stroke. I just rebuilt to Pike four days ago, and he air shaft was very difficult to push into the fork, even with the air cap off. There must be an insane vacuum under that air shaft seal head.

    I also did not like the complete and total lack of compression adjustment on the Pike. No reason any fork today should not have FULLY adjustable damping. I also left an extra 20mm on the fork steerer for me to experiment with.
    I am a 200 lb rider, and the Pike solved a lot of issues on my old bike, with a Fox Float 32. That fork was flexy. The Pike was much stiffer, but my brother has a 36 on his Claymore, and that thing was just ridiculously sweet. Again, just multiple things coming together made me decide to buy a beefier fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTTR View Post
    Fox claims service intervals on the 2016's are 125 hours while on the 2015's were 30 hours.
    Wow that is huge deal. Partly why I've stayed away from Fox in the past. Doing research now on a new 160mm 27.5 fork. So many choices! Lyrik and 36 are leading the pack for me. But if the OP is set on a 20mm axle, then, well, Rockshox has given up on ya

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    This is the issue you had with your Pike.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...sa-929695.html

    I replaced my Pike with a 36 also and I love being able to move my high/low compression for different terrain. Like everyone said the Pike has a slight advantage in the small bumps, but I think Fox beats it on everything else, especially on rough high speed terrain. The 2016 Fox stuff is really good. I would like to see how the new Lyrik stacks up to it.

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    Can the 2016 or 15 be internally adjusted to 140 for so 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anc67 View Post
    Can the 2016 or 15 be internally adjusted to 140 for so 29er?
    Yes. It depends on the model. If it's the Fit 4 damper equipped fork you need a new air spring, if it's a RC2 damper equipped fork then you need to buy some airspring spacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BTTR View Post
    Fox claims service intervals on the 2016's are 125 hours while on the 2015's were 30 hours.

    I saw too, they have changed it to 125 hours on 2015 and 2016 forks. Middle of the page.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vhom View Post
    This is the issue you had with your Pike.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspen...sa-929695.html

    I had the fork completely apart. Lowers off, air fill top cap removed. I would push up on the air shaft, and it would forcefully return. It took a lot of pressure to push up on the air shaft. The only thing that would be causing that, is a vacuum below the upper piston and the lower seal head.


    First ride on the 36 yesterday was great. My brother was watching me through a very rocky section, and he was amazed at how the fork was working. I could hear the damping circuits functioning, and the quality of the ride was excellent. It did feel a little stiffer, but it was only one ride.
    So far however, I am extremely impressed, and my brother and dad riding with me were equally impressed with what they saw on the action.

    I have two travel reducers due in Wednesday. I'm going to drop in one of them to reduce to 150mm. I may not reduce to 140, but I have the option now at least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    I saw too, they have changed it to 125 hours on 2015 and 2016 forks. Middle of the page.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DethWshBkr View Post
    I saw too, they have changed it to 125 hours on 2015 and 2016 forks. Middle of the page.


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    What if you have a "hybrid" fork - 2015 FIT damper, low friction wipers and 20 wt gold in a 2014 model?

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    I think most of the service intervals are crap anyway.
    My dads '07 Specialized Stumpjumper has a Fox Talas on it, and he only did his first service on it December 2013. He rides that bike A LOT too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russinthecascades View Post
    What if you have a "hybrid" fork - 2015 FIT damper, low friction wipers and 20 wt gold in a 2014 model?
    The 125 hour interval was implemented with the introduction of 20wt Gold. Nevertheless, I would still service the fork frequently as even with SKF sealheads the dampers ingest a lot of oil and the risk of bursting a bladder is quite high. Also, the longer you ride on dusty terrain, the higher the risk of wipers getting packed with dirt and wearing down your stanchions.

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    Just picked up a new 2016 36 Float with warranty on price match from Cambria Bike for $759. Fork arrived in less than 4 days, and I'm mounting it up tonight. I was told by someone that the 2016 forks may have a slightly different crown offset, but I'm skeptical. There are also rumors of very slightly modified damping curves, but again, I have no idea. I swapped out a disappointing Marzocchi 350 CR for this fork, so I'm really curious to see how it does on my 2014 Spitfire.

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    Another quick question -
    Does anyone have any spares of the air volume spacers they'd be willing to sell off?

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    2016 valving is different from 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifouiripilay View Post
    2016 valving is different from 2015.
    No, it's the same. Valving was different in the first batch of 2015 forks, then the valving was corrected (around August 2014 IIRC).

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    I think it was more like Oct 2014 that the correction was made... but that's symantics... I got my 2015 revalved by Fox to the updated tune and it's a big improvement (eliminating the harshness I had with the early tune).

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    Yeah, it was around that time, I don't recall the exact date to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifouiripilay View Post
    2016 valving is different from 2015.
    I thought I read somewhere they increased the high speed rebound slightly. I have a 2016 36 on the way. The 2015 I have is so far the best fork I ever had. No leaking seals. Full travel with good mid stroke support. No packing up. Good service instructions. No attitude. Highly tunable. Unlike Fox of past.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    Same fork, different decals.
    It's replies like this that make you go "wtf?!?"

    2016 Fox 36 changes:

    - New Float air spring (better small bump sensitivity, mid-stroke support)
    - Shorter axle-to-crown
    - Fit4 damper or updated Fit RC2 damper
    - New lowers and crown make it stiffer and lighter
    - Volume spacer adjustment (progressivity adjustment)
    - Lighter than 2015
    - Up to 50mm internal travel adjustment
    - Pinch bolt axle // 15mm or 20mm convertible
    - Lighter than 2015 fork
    - Fit4 remote adjust convertible
    - 110mm hub spacing options
    - Revised Kashima coating formulation (all models)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnknownRider View Post
    It's replies like this that make you go "wtf?!?"
    Lets clear things up shall we?

    - New Float air spring (better small bump sensitivity, mid-stroke support)
    Exactly the same air spring as 2015, Float NA.

    - Shorter axle-to-crown
    Same A2C as 2015.

    - Fit4 damper or updated Fit RC2 damper
    Yes, FIT4 is a new damper, but OP wasn't comparing RC2 2015 vs FIT4 2016. Correct, updated rebound piston on RC2.

    - New lowers and crown make it stiffer and lighter
    Same lowers on RC2. FIT4 does have new QR15 lowers (less stiff than the pinch bolt variation).

    - Volume spacer adjustment (progressivity adjustment)
    Already existed on 2015 NA.

    - Lighter than 2015
    Not really, probably a few grams difference because of the different rebound piston on the RC2.

    - Up to 50mm internal travel adjustment
    Already existed on 2015 NA.

    - Pinch bolt axle // 15mm or 20mm convertible
    Already existed on 2015.

    - Fit4 remote adjust convertible
    Yes, FIT4 is a new damper, but OP wasn't comparing RC2 2015 vs FIT4 2016.

    - 110mm hub spacing options
    Not available on 36 forks.

    - Revised Kashima coating formulation (all models)
    Late 2015 had same Kashima as 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacubaya View Post
    Lets clear things up shall we?

    - New Float air spring (better small bump sensitivity, mid-stroke support)
    Exactly the same air spring as 2015, Float NA.

    - Shorter axle-to-crown
    Same A2C as 2015.

    - Fit4 damper or updated Fit RC2 damper
    Yes, FIT4 is a new damper, but OP wasn't comparing RC2 2015 vs FIT4 2016. Correct, updated rebound piston on RC2.

    - New lowers and crown make it stiffer and lighter
    Same lowers on RC2. FIT4 does have new QR15 lowers (less stiff than the pinch bolt variation).

    - Volume spacer adjustment (progressivity adjustment)
    Already existed on 2015 NA.

    - Lighter than 2015
    Not really, probably a few grams difference because of the different rebound piston on the RC2.

    - Up to 50mm internal travel adjustment
    Already existed on 2015 NA.

    - Pinch bolt axle // 15mm or 20mm convertible
    Already existed on 2015.

    - Fit4 remote adjust convertible
    Yes, FIT4 is a new damper, but OP wasn't comparing RC2 2015 vs FIT4 2016.

    - 110mm hub spacing options
    Not available on 36 forks.

    - Revised Kashima coating formulation (all models)
    Late 2015 had same Kashima as 2016.
    The only difference on the 2016 36 RC2 fork v the 2015 is the rebound piston assembly.

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    Clearly I had some bad info. Those details were all copied from an article on the 2016 Fox fork changes and were specifically listed for the 36. So I suppose that too makes me go wtf.

    The 2016 36 with 20mm pinch axle allows for an 110mm wide axle on both the 26" and 29" forks, but not the 36 27.5. There is also a 2016 29" 36 fork with 15 x110QR lower. The 26" with 20 x 110QR lower was already available in 2015. You can see these differences on the specification drawings for the two model years on the Fox website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUnknownRider View Post
    Clearly I had some bad info. Those details were all copied from an article on the 2016 Fox fork changes and were specifically listed for the 36. So I suppose that too makes me go wtf.

    The 2016 36 with 20mm pinch axle allows for an 110mm wide axle on both the 26" and 29" forks, but not the 36 27.5. There is also a 2016 29" 36 fork with 15 x110QR lower. The 26" with 20 x 110QR lower was already available in 2015. You can see these differences on the specification drawings for the two model years on the Fox website.
    20mm front axles have always been 110mm wide, that was and is always the standard. The lowers are the same between 2015 and 2016.

    The only other thing new for 2016 is Boost 15x110mm lowers on the 29" fork(with 15mm qr axle, 650b+ out soon if not already.), 15x100mm lowers (with 15mm qr). Both of these are only available with fit 4 dampers. Although some bike manufacturers got them with 15mm QR lowers and RC2 dampers.
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    I have a 2016 36 RC2 with the dedicated 15mm lowers and it's awesome. If in the future for some reason I want the 110 20mm its just a lowers swap correct?

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