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    Is an 09 Marz 66 better than 07-08?

    I am considering a Marzocchi 66 ATA for the front of a new Intense Uzzi - haven't ridden Marzocchi product in years, and pretty much nobody around here is either. I have heard that the 07-08 stuff from Marz had all sorts of quality/durability issues. Has this been resolved with the latest stuff? What were the specific problems with the last couple years' stuff? I would consider a Fox if they made a burlier 36, or a Rockshox if they did adjustable travel in the Totem, but lacking either of those, I keep coming back to the 66 as the best match for this bike and the build I want to do with it.

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    That's a bit of a pointed question that can get heated on some accounts...

    First, the 07 and 08 are two different forks. The 07 is the "old" style and still very good. The 08 and above is the new gen, the one that had problems. They claim all the problems were early 08's, but some problems still persisted even into the late 08 models when things were said to have been fixed. Such things as the bushing play and creaky crowns still persisted, as I saw in the pipeline, though some got away lucky.

    The 09 seem to be an improvement, but some problems still exist a bit, though a bit better than before. Lots of people aren't used to zoke having that bushing play like they have no, but it's better than the 08 situation.

    The other thing is from 08 up, the only travel adjust is the ATA, if that's your thing. No more ETA. I advise not going for the ATA. I know several people who aren't thrilled with the performance and durability. It promises a lot, but has a finicky nature.

    I would recommend you stay completely away from an 08. 09 could be a crapshoot with much better odds. 07 is the old style and pretty well proven. If you can sacrifice the travel adjust, an RC2x model would be a nice find.

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    From what I understand the ATA on the 66 will go away. Not certain if it will be replaced or not, but hopefully something that works.

    I like the idea of a travel adjust long travel fork. It could be air or coil wouldn't really matter as long as it was not too heavy.

    I had an 07 ATA, went through the auto wind down and other issues, it was rebuilt one last time by Marz and I sold it.

    Picked up a 2007 RC2X and still have it. I did pick up a 2008 ATA as well, but ended up selling it, without even riding it. Just didn't want to deal with the issues that were beginning to pop up with the 2008s.

    Just had my 2007 RC2X reworked by Marz and it is once again feeling great. I doubt I would use the travel adjust much, but it would be nice to have it on the 66.

    I like having the 180mm fork on my bike, but at times travel adjust would come in handy.

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    I bought an early (Feb '08) '08 66 ATA for exactly the same reasons you mentioned...wanted a 180mm fork with travel adjust.

    4 Warranty trips later (plus a 5th where Marz sent me parts) and I became a happy owner of a '08 Totem solo air in August of 08.

    I never really used the travel adjustment on the 66 and found that I really don't miss it. Plus the Marz travel adjustment needed 35 clicks (4 or 5 full revolutions) to go through its 40mm of travel adjustment range. Not exactly on the fly.

    (Issues I had were stuck down on initial ride (bad internal seals), bad seals again, winding down, creaking crown). Marz customer service was good, but too many issues.

    I've heard the '09's are better, but still not perfect. Personally, I would stay away from the 08 and 09 Marz air forks.

    Most of the issues were with the air forks, but you loose travel adjustment going coil.

    Otherwise, I really have been pleased with my Totem.

    (The 2010 RS Lyrik Solo Air also looks pretty nice...170mm travel and a sub 5lb weight. No idea when they will be available though)

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    I have an 08.5 66RC3 and it is worlds better than the 07 RC2x I had. The dampening is amazing, the fork feels great. I really liked my buddies Totem, but now it feels harsh and sticky vs. the RC3. I have a Lyrik on my Spot right now, and I feel the RS stuff is nice, and very durable.

    I am waiting anxiously for the 10 44RC3 Ti for my Spot. I may also look at a 55RC3 if I can internally adjust the travel. From what I am hearing, the 10 stuff is going back to what made Marzocchi, oil bath dampers. If the 44 is half as good as my 66, it will be twice as good as my Lyrik.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er
    I have an 08.5 66RC3 and it is worlds better than the 07 RC2x I had. The dampening is amazing, the fork feels great. I really liked my buddies Totem, but now it feels harsh and sticky vs. the RC3. I have a Lyrik on my Spot right now, and I feel the RS stuff is nice, and very durable.

    I am waiting anxiously for the 10 44RC3 Ti for my Spot. I may also look at a 55RC3 if I can internally adjust the travel. From what I am hearing, the 10 stuff is going back to what made Marzocchi, oil bath dampers. If the 44 is half as good as my 66, it will be twice as good as my Lyrik.
    I heard the same thing that Marz was going back to its roots, which should be a good thing.

    I might look for a 66RC3 as well just to see if I can notice any change, but am hesitant to give up my 07 as it works so well.

    For my XC/AM bike I still want a reasonably light weight adjustable travel fork, with a 20mm axle, and up to 160mm travel. Right now that is a Manitou Niixon Air fork with the 20mm hex and IT travel adjust, at a little over 4.5lbs. It is very nice in terms of quality of suspension and adjustability, I do feel a little flex when fully extended to 160 though.

    I still haven't tried the newer Talas 36s but it sounds like the 09s are very nice, but are pricey. The Lyric Solo Air also sounds good, but no travel adjust and the 2-Step from most accounts was a POS. What I don't understand is why RS can make the Pike work so well, but can get a Lyric or Totem to work the same way. I had a Pike 426 Air Uturn and the fork was very nice, the manual crank for travel adjust was a little bit of a PITA, but it worked and the fork was endlessly adjustable. My complaint was that is was only 140mm travel and was over 5lbs.

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    rideitall - for a stiff 160mm fork with travel adjust, maybe look at a Magura Wotan?
    I don't have personal experience with them, but they get many positive reviews.

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    I own an 1 1/8" 08 totem solo air and an 1 1/2" 09 66rc3. I owned I had some problems with the totem and they replaced everything except the lowers and the Maxle. I sent it in because the crown was creaking. My 66 had 3 rides on it before it started to creak. Marzocchi told me that it was fine and not a safety concern. I said BS! No one else makes forks that creak unless there is something wrong with them. In those couple of rides, I think that the 66 rc3 is a great fork. Much more supple than the totem and more progessive at the end of the stroke. It does weigh more. I think that it is stiffer too. I replaced an 08 66rcv with the totem last year and I noticed that the totem was not as stiff as the 66. I like the 66rc3 but it seems like no one can make a 180mm travel fork properly the first time!

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