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    I have no doubt that the new stuff will be bombproof just like the M8000\M9000. My XT M8000 drivetrain has been nothing but reliable with maybe one adjustment per year. But as on owner of a bike that doesn't even have boost hubs, another hub standard where I can't even re-use my cassette is total BS. As "green" as bikers and/or bike companies claim to be (or want to be), we sure create a lot of waste by implementing this kind of obsolescence into our bikes and components.

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    Looks real nice. The crankset is 100 grams over xx1 the rest is lighter or on par!

    No more carbon spider on the cassette and more alloy than magnesium in the brakes but Iím sure they are still better.

    The whole hub standard gets me but they say DT already have the designs but itís going to be a big issue/delay as Iím down for a new group set but a new hub too?

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    "plus another derailleur for 2◊12 set-ups."

    are you serious?

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    Over 600% range with that 2x12!

    BKXC on yewtoob is going into the Himalayan mountains this fall I think. Enduro bike plus supplies and such and insane altitude it might be needed.

    Trek sells a bike with eagle and a 30 tooth in the front so people climb crazy stuff Itís just in Europe or Himalayan mtns

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    So, canít i just use an Eagle cassette with new XTR derailleur and shifter?
    Or is that just too simple?

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    Until Shimano licenses out their new freehub body design this won't be too popular on anything but high-end OE specs and completely new wheel builds. Unless you happen to have compatible DT Swiss hubs, you're SOL if you want to run a 12-speed XTR cassette on your existing wheels. And if you have to buy a SRAM cassette to use the new XTR with your existing wheels, why not just go full SRAM? Kinda dumb on Shimano's part IMHO.

    Oh well; whatever. By the time XT comes out next year I bet Shimano will have licensed out the new freehub body so any hub manufacturer can spec it.

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    any idea if you can you swap current freehub by this new one on a 240/350 hub?

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    Jolanda Neff is running it with DT Swiss 240 right now Iím not sure what Shimano has done for her to run it but it could be simple

    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    any idea if you can you swap current freehub by this new one on a 240/350 hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    So, canít i just use an Eagle cassette with new XTR derailleur and shifter?
    Or is that just too simple?
    Spacing will most likely be slightly different. Maybe enough to matter maybe not. I would use the Sram chain with a Sram cassette and shimano chain with shimano cassette.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    any idea if you can you swap current freehub by this new one on a 240/350 hub?
    Looks like you can, just a free hub swap.2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-img_1266.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimphatty View Post
    "plus another derailleur for 2◊12 set-ups."

    are you serious?
    Some of us like to pedal down hills hard and fast.
    Just because you freewheel.
    I bikepack miles and add the range...
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    Many of the articles have stated (look at the one on nsmb.com for example) that existing DT hubs will will work - just need the freehub.

    DT developed the system with Shimano so they're the first to get access. Nice for those of us who use 240s, or other DT hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Over 600% range with that 2x12!

    BKXC on yewtoob is going into the Himalayan mountains this fall I think. Enduro bike plus supplies and such and insane altitude it might be needed.

    Trek sells a bike with eagle and a 30 tooth in the front so people climb crazy stuff Itís just in Europe or Himalayan mtns
    Right, because those are the only two places on Earth with big mountains or steep climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    So, canít i just use an Eagle cassette with new XTR derailleur and shifter?
    Or is that just too simple?
    Not too simple, answer is yes. There is simply not enough real estate for them to mess with the spacing like they used to on 7/8/9 speed systems.

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    DT Swiss was given the heads up wrt to the new microspline design over a year ago.
    I'm told the DT 240s hub isn't upgradable to microspline and that anew hub is required. I can't confirm this at this stage. The 350 hub range should be compatible though. No on knows for sure yet if DT swiss is going to make a separate freehub o upgrade current DT hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    DT Swiss was given the heads up wrt to the new microspline design over a year ago.
    I'm told the DT 240s hub isn't upgradable to microspline and that anew hub is required. I can't confirm this at this stage. The 350 hub range should be compatible though. No on knows for sure yet if DT swiss is going to make a separate freehub o upgrade current DT hubs
    That sucks since I have a 240 on my bike!

    The extra money for the hubs on this xtr build makes the damn groupset 2600 dollars. It's not going to hit the ground running at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    That sucks since I have a 240 on my bike!

    The extra money for the hubs on this xtr build makes the damn groupset 2600 dollars. It's not going to hit the ground running at this point.
    All I need is the 10-45 11 speed cassette for my Di2 XT and a new hub unless maybe if I can convert my 240. Time will tell if that will be possible. New stuff is almost always good for us and the industry. Bikes continue to get better in all areas. Humans mostly do not like change and these changes will cost you if you want to ďupgradeĒ. This new stuff keeps our sport fresh however. ETap will be available for Eagle soon and then Shimano will offer DI2 XTR 12 sp, then XT and so on. Expensive for sure but Shimano is great in moving the latest tech down stream.

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    Shimano has to license out the Microspline freehub body design eventually. Freezing out every hub and wheel manufacturer other than DT Swiss is a sure-fire way to kill 12-speed XTR (and 12-speed XT, and whatever else follows) dead in the water. I'm sure Shimano knows this. It wouldn't surprise me to see Microspline stay exclusive to Shimano and DT Swiss hubs for a while, but you can bet by the time 12-speed XT comes out all the other hub manufacturers out there will be on board with Microspline-compatible freehub bodies.

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    A?
    A 29"er wheel is a 28" wheel! also a 700c wheel.
    Look at your rim size and it says 622mm.

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    So not true!
    Most hub and wheel manufacturers will have Micospline freehub body by later in the year when the XTR groupset is coming out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schwa72 View Post
    Shimano has to license out the Microspline freehub body design eventually. Freezing out every hub and wheel manufacturer other than DT Swiss is a sure-fire way to kill 12-speed XTR (and 12-speed XT, and whatever else follows) dead in the water. I'm sure Shimano knows this. It wouldn't surprise me to see Microspline stay exclusive to Shimano and DT Swiss hubs for a while, but you can bet by the time 12-speed XT comes out all the other hub manufacturers out there will be on board with Microspline-compatible freehub bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    So not true!
    Most hub and wheel manufacturers will have Micospline freehub body by later in the year when the XTR groupset is coming out.

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    Your statement is nothing but pure speculation and/or wishful thinking. Show me one article from a reliable source that says "most hub and wheel manufacturers will have Microspline freehub body when the XTR groupset is coming out." You won't find such an article because Shimano hasn't said that. The fact they haven't said that speaks volumes.

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    SRAM licensed their XD driver from Day One. Why didn't Shimano do the same thing? If Shimano had planned to let third party hub/wheel manufacturers in on the Microspline party right away there is no question they'd have announced that when they announced the new XTR.

    So, uh, you're wrong. Just because you wish that most hub/wheel manufacturers will offer Microspline solutions when XTR hits the streets doesn't make it so.

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    I think DT confirmed that they will have a Microspline freehub body for their DT240/350 hubs so upgrading will be simple.

    I'm interested in the Scylence hub, but Microspline and 12-speed is a don't care for me. I already don't use the 40/46t big cog on my 11s cassettes so I don't need another larger 51t cog that I don't use (dead weight).

    I'd like to see a regular Shimano freehub body for the XTR Scylence hub. If Shimano won't offer it, then I hope some small manufacturer will.

    I have two bikes with XTR Di2 so I'm also looking forward to the next gen Di2.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    All I need is the 10-45 11 speed cassette for my Di2 XT and a new hub unless maybe if I can convert my 240. Time will tell if that will be possible. New stuff is almost always good for us and the industry. Bikes continue to get better in all areas. Humans mostly do not like change and these changes will cost you if you want to ďupgradeĒ. This new stuff keeps our sport fresh however. ETap will be available for Eagle soon and then Shimano will offer DI2 XTR 12 sp, then XT and so on. Expensive for sure but Shimano is great in moving the latest tech down stream.

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    Does anyone know when you can actually buy this stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Does anyone know when you can actually buy this stuff?
    my shop was hoping to set me up in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Does anyone know when you can actually buy this stuff?
    Not available for a few more months.
    But any good Local Bike Shop once out.
    I New Zealand we had a list to backorder from the first small drop into NZ.
    I have to wait for the second NZ shipment because I'm after 2◊12 for my Bikepacking bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    my shop was hoping to set me up in October.
    That is the due date for the 1st shipments about the world.
    Not long now

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    Can't wait for this stuff to come out.

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    German vendors have a few items in stock now. No cassettes tho.

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    dt swiss told me microspline will be available in october. Im hoping that means standalone fh bod ies.

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    One DT Swiss MicrosSpline FreeHub Body (available now in Au) 2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-20180910_074006235_ios.jpg2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-20180910_074027937_ios.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
    One DT Swiss MicrosSpline FreeHub Body (available now in Au) Click image for larger version. 

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    can you confirm it fits existing 148mm 240S hubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    can you confirm it fits existing 148mm 240S hubs?
    Hi I can.
    Yes replacement for any DT Swiss 240 and 350 hub plus fits OEM wheels that come with DT Swiss 240/350 internals.
    Also in stock in NZ wholesaler.
    Yes you can just buy a freehub.

    I'm Looking forward to XT 12 speed next year I believe maybe?

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    Thanks!

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    Going to convert my boost Rovals. I know the free hub will work as the hub is DT. Wondering if I need a new end cap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHSAD View Post
    Going to convert my boost Rovals. I know the free hub will work as the hub is DT. Wondering if I need a new end cap?
    The freehub (DT Swiss call a rotor) comes with a matching end cap.
    Saying for 142 and 148 hub's.

    I hope this helps you

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    Has anyone played with the rear derailleur?
    Curious if it has a 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
    I really like that feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Has anyone played with the rear derailleur?
    Curious if it has a 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
    I really like that feature.
    Yes and No


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    Care to elaborate?
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    ^^^ Yes, he's played with it
    No, it does not have 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    ^^^ Yes, he's played with it
    No, it does not have 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
    Thanks

    Sorry it was time to sleep.
    Yes I have had prototype XTR and pre production in my hands.

    Not too the lock open because that is a SRAM thing.

    It's got the better (because of rebuild and servicing) Shimano clutch system.

    Yes not as good fitting in one's wheel.

    But I'll be fitting a 2◊12 Shimano drive train next year.

    I'm very impressed looking forward to better shifting.

    Why 2◊ because I Bikepack and like to have gears for the road too when Bikepacking in events.

    Have a good day (or night)


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    Got it.
    I wasn't pickin' up what he was puttin' down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Got it.
    I wasn't pickin' up what he was puttin' down...
    It's all ok

    I was tired and about to sleep.

    Got to see all the prototype and pre-production XTR 12 speed at a Shimano training day in New Zealand.



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    Hi NZPeterG, while you were at training day did you get indication when the new XTR stock would be available Au/NZ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
    Hi NZPeterG, while you were at training day did you get indication when the new XTR stock would be available Au/NZ?
    Yes

    November ETA
    But this is a due date and can change.

    Good products come in due time.




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    Little thread product drift here, but I wonder if an Eagle derailleur will have enough b tension adjustment for the 51 XTR cassette...
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    Not changing my chris king hubs for this. Hope they license the freehub body soon or I will go SRAM. Crazy that you have to change your hubs to be able to use the shimano stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Not changing my chris king hubs for this. Hope they license the freehub body soon or I will go SRAM. Crazy that you have to change your hubs to be able to use the shimano stuff.
    It's not Crazy.
    Shimano freehub has been around from the 1980's and at the time one would run a Shimano or a Suntour freehub
    Than Suntour was gone and only one freehub for years (on MTB's)
    The SRAM can out with 1◊ and a new hub body.
    It's got a few issues but overall people a loved 1◊ use it.
    It's a SRAM design and Shimano looked at fixing the short comings.
    So a new better design is out and the start of a whole new set of drivetrains.
    CK will have a freehub body coming like White Industries dt-swiss etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Not changing my chris king hubs for this. Hope they license the freehub body soon or I will go SRAM. Crazy that you have to change your hubs to be able to use the shimano stuff.
    microspline is already available from two other manus. chris king is about as proprietary as it gets ironicallly.

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    Can't believe we are in October and this stuff is still not readily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Can't believe we are in October and this stuff is still not readily available.
    I can. I don't expect private sales until April 2019 at the earliest.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    I can. I don't expect private sales until April 2019 at the earliest.
    That's news to me. There was all this talk about fall. I mean I could get it out of the US but rather see it everywhere first.

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    starbike has alot of stuff but not everything. i think 11-51 cassettes just became available. im still waiting on chain shifter and chainring to complete my group (no brakes or hubs).

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    OEM will come first and I haven't seen a complete group at any bike at a shop or online retailer.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    OEM will come first and I haven't seen a complete group at any bike at a shop or online retailer.
    Doesn't mean April unless I'm missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Can't believe we are in October and this stuff is still not readily available.
    What's not available?
    3rd party cassettes and freehubs, or the Shimano groupset?
    The group set is partially available in Europe, and the rest of the group set is schedule to be available until the end of October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aglo View Post
    What's not available?
    3rd party cassettes and freehubs, or the Shimano groupset?
    The group set is partially available in Europe, and the rest of the group set is schedule to be available until the end of October.
    I should say the Shimano groupset in the US. I know you can get most of it in europe. I don't have a problem buying from there but it would be nice to comparison shop and see what prices really are.

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    the pedals are already on sale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    the pedals are already on sale...
    Are they 12 speed?

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    Are they 12 speed?
    No, but OneUp sells a kit to make them so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    OEM will come first and I haven't seen a complete group at any bike at a shop or online retailer.
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    Just raced on the new pedals. Definutely tighter feeling. One of the seals already worked its way out. Shimano QC is doing great....

    Got cranks and rear derailleur in hand too. They look great. Cranks are a work of art.

    Starbike has everything but chainring amd shifter at this point. Not sure about brakes.

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    Anyone know when the chainrings will be available? I have everything for the new XTR except the chainring. Absolute black is supposed to be coming out with an oval for the new cranks so will go that route if it comes out first. Thanks
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    where r u guys buying these stuff? all I can find at the usual online places are out of stock and pre order only

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    where r u guys buying these stuff? all I can find at the usual online places are out of stock and pre order only
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    i was told by end of Nov. for Chainring

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    i was told by end of Nov. for Chainring
    thanks. Yeah I was able to get the cranks from starbike and everything else from ebay vendors in china but no chainrings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Think the prices were decent?
    I am $1079.28 all in for cranks, bottom bracket, rear derailleur, 10-51 cassette, dt swiss microspline, chain and shifter. Not sure if it was the best deal but I think decent deal at least. I didn't know I couldn't get a chainring or may have waited But will be ready when it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony110672 View Post
    I am $1079.28 all in for cranks, bottom bracket, rear derailleur, 10-51 cassette, dt swiss microspline, chain and shifter. Not sure if it was the best deal but I think decent deal at least. I didn't know I couldn't get a chainring or may have waited But will be ready when it comes out.
    Only reason I've waited is I want to build new wheels but want the XTR hubs. Dragging on how long its all taking to be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony110672 View Post
    I am $1079.28 all in for cranks, bottom bracket, rear derailleur, 10-51 cassette, dt swiss microspline, chain and shifter. Not sure if it was the best deal but I think decent deal at least. I didn't know I couldn't get a chainring or may have waited But will be ready when it comes out.
    Where did you get the dt freehub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Where did you get the dt freehub?

    N/m, found one.
    The are available from any good bike shop in NZ.
    The wholesaler have got a number of them in stock now.
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    My understanding is that the official production release is now early December. The components that are available from Starbike and other online sellers is likely to be pre-production components ie the leftovers from all the roadshows and demo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
    My understanding is that the official production release is now early December. The components that are available from Starbike and other online sellers is likely to be pre-production components ie the leftovers from all the roadshows and demo's.
    I guess thats possible but all the parts I have are in factory sealed boxes with all labels instructions, serial #'s etc. Look production to me.
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    Yes, they would be 100% perfect components in sealed boxes, was not implying otherwise. For most components there will be no difference between pre-production and production, for some there might be some very minor (imperceptible) tweaks as a result of feed back from all the testers during the trials. It is quite likely that those components that you are missing are the ones they are tweaking.

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    Does anyone know definitively whether the current shimano bleed kit will be compatible with the new XTR enduro brakes? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    I have no doubt that the new stuff will be bombproof just like the M8000\M9000. My XT M8000 drivetrain has been nothing but reliable with maybe one adjustment per year. But as on owner of a bike that doesn't even have boost hubs, another hub standard where I can't even re-use my cassette is total BS. As "green" as bikers and/or bike companies claim to be (or want to be), we sure create a lot of waste by implementing this kind of obsolescence into our bikes and components.
    After years of XT, XTR and SRAM Red use, yes, they are all indeed great stuff. But reusing cassettes is not usually a great idea unless you are changing them out frequently for conditions. So advances in drive lines should be welcomed by all, even those that choose to still utilize 11,10, or even 7 speed cassettes. So unless you are using high end cassettes like the SRAM 1999 Dome - X for over 300 USD, not a big deal. I must say most of the advances in all areas of the sport are amazing. I have embraced most of them. The engineering available in equipment we can buy today has made the sport safer, faster, more accessible and fun way beyond what I experienced 60 years ago on my first ride ever. So if your machine is not up to date, so what, enjoy! But if you do take on some of the new tech, it has the potential to make your deal even more fun and safe.

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    What is the word on if the new XTR chain is backwards compatible with M8000 chainrings? I am waiting for the shipment of new XTR 4 pots brakes, shifter, cassette and DT Swiss microspline freehub.

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    Xtr 9100 cassette issue- defect

    I installed the groupset a week ago, after ordering from bike-discount.de

    On the 1st ride , there were noises coming from the rear hub area. took the bike to the LBS, checking the micro-spline, cassette and rd, without finding anything. after a few days a friend of mine who got his new scalpel si told me that he is having the same noise.
    It happens when adding some pressure on the crankset,mostly on the higher gears( 45-39-33-28). My friend went to the Shimano dealer after spending alot of time trying to find the problem , as I did, and has been told that apparently there is a missing shims/spacer which they didn't provide and they are about to sent is separately.
    Its a shame that after so long, Shimano distributes a product that is incomplete. I spent 70$ on my lbs mechanic, and I am going to ask Shimano to compensate me.

    Has anyone else experienced the same thing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Stamler View Post
    I installed the groupset a week ago, after ordering from bike-discount.de

    On the 1st ride , there were noises coming from the rear hub area. took the bike to the LBS, checking the micro-spline, cassette and rd, without finding anything. after a few days a friend of mine who got his new scalpel si told me that he is having the same noise.
    It happens when adding some pressure on the crankset,mostly on the higher gears( 45-39-33-28). My friend went to the Shimano dealer after spending alot of time trying to find the problem , as I did, and has been told that apparently there is a missing shims/spacer which they didn't provide and they are about to sent is separately.
    Its a shame that after so long, Shimano distributes a product that is incomplete. I spent 70$ on my lbs mechanic, and I am going to ask Shimano to compensate me.

    Has anyone else experienced the same thing ?
    You are the group's it has not been released in full yet and you being sold pre-production parts to try to get your groups ready to go if you wait a few months the whole group is coming with everything.

    That's life, move on it's going to be sunny tomorrow.
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    Thank you for the kind words. It is not a pre order, The group has been released Kiwi. Better if you keep your mouth shut.

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    I have my 12 speed xtr cassette, rear derailleur chain and shifter paired with raceface cranks and chainring with no noise or issues. about 100 miles on them over the last month. pre production or not saved hundreds and been riding them like an idiot.
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    "who got his new scalpel si told me that he is having the same noise. "

    i'd presume the complete kit came on that bike from the factory chief.


    @Stamler, let us know what the spacers look like when you get them please.

    also, did you get an xtr chainring? they're not available at the moment and holding up my order.

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    I am riding on a 18' Scalpel si so my only option is cannondale crankset or xx1 crankset due to the AI offset.

    I will let you know of course, waiting for an answer from Bike-discount as well.

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    Where did you buy the Parts?
    Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    You are an you an idiot the group's it has not been released in full yet and you being sold pre-production parts to try to get your groups ready to go if you wait a few months the whole group is coming with everything.

    That's life, move on it's going to be sunny tomorrow.
    So go for a ride.

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    Terrible grammar aside, this pre-production parts are not readily available. Every place you order from they come in the genuine boxes. Unless you show proof of a retailer selling them, this is just nonsense. Even if they were selling pre-production, there is no way they would have the inventory to make it worth listing.

    It sucks that it's December and I still can't get this stuff easily. I know I can get it in Europe which is most likely what I would do but I still would like to see what the US retailers are going to charge for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan Stamler View Post
    Where did you buy the Parts?
    Good to know.
    starbike . I've got the cranks in hand alredy along with a few other parts. they have my cassette waiting for the chainring to come in to ship the rest. good and responsive customer service from them. they sponsor the weight weenies forum. good people.

    bikediscount is good too. as is R2-bike.

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    Production grade XTR was released in Au last week, excepting for the chainring. I believe Shimano is having some QC issue with the chainring.
    I got the full enduro kit (except chainring) all fitted and ready to go once I get a chainring. Have a chainring on order from both Shimano and Absolute Black.
    The cassette I received came with a plastic shim which goes on to the microspline free hub before the cassette.

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    Really love the new xtr. I went from a shimano xtr 11 speed/e13 cassette to sram xx1 11speed to eagle xx1 12 speed and back to a sram xx1/e13 cassette and really never happy with any. the only one I could ever get completely dialed was the 11 speed xx1 sram but the 11-42 wasn't enough range. I always had issues with shifting quality on eagle and the e13 had good range but didn't shift as good as the sram cassettes. The new xtr has all the range I will ever need and shifts so smoothly. Plus was alot easier to set up and get dialed then eagle at least for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony110672 View Post
    Really love the new xtr. I went from a shimano xtr 11 speed/e13 cassette to sram xx1 11speed to eagle xx1 12 speed and back to a sram xx1/e13 cassette and really never happy with any. the only one I could ever get completely dialed was the 11 speed xx1 sram but the 11-42 wasn't enough range. I always had issues with shifting quality on eagle and the e13 had good range but didn't shift as good as the sram cassettes. The new xtr has all the range I will ever need and shifts so smoothly. Plus was alot easier to set up and get dialed then eagle at least for me.
    Nice report! But I am waiting for the Di2. Sure is tempting however. Sounds like Shamano nailed it.

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    Very nice set up and bike. Ya did great! Thanks for sharing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Terrible grammar aside, this pre-production parts are not readily available. Every place you order from they come in the genuine boxes. Unless you show proof of a retailer selling them, this is just nonsense. Even if they were selling pre-production, there is no way they would have the inventory to make it worth listing.

    It sucks that it's December and I still can't get this stuff easily. I know I can get it in Europe which is most likely what I would do but I still would like to see what the US retailers are going to charge for everything.
    I ordered an XTR Bronson last August initially with an October delivery date. It was pushed a couple times until December release. Now, my dealer says Santa Cruz is claiming delivery in March due to the delays caused by Shimano, and apparently the fire last year.
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    So, Absolute Black just sent me a message that I didn't make the first shipped batch, and now will have to wait for January or sometime. Grumble

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    Has anyone ordered from here:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-XTR...RPp:rk:29:pf:0

    Not sure if the brakes come prebled which seems annoying. Today I could order this and get $100 off so I'm trying to decide if it's worth it.

    Thanks

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    I ordered from them, transaction was smooth.
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    Cool. there are a couple vendors that have everything so I might do a transaction to get a 100 off and then have someone else do another so I get another 100.

    Will do the brakes prebled in one and the drive train in another. I assume that washer will come with the cassette.

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    I donít recall receiving a washer with the cassette...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    I donít recall receiving a washer with the cassette...
    Don't you need it?

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    This listing is a little confusing, but if true, this is by far the cheapest offer that I have seen.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-SHIMANO...5s_PHEZkF4h9ew
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    Sadly that group is not 4 piston.

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    I was more alluding to the ~$414 price for the drivetrain. I paid $600.

    At that price I am tempted to buy it just to have spares!
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    $414 is only for the brakes

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    Aha. I feel MUCH better now.
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    New question here.

    I recently received a Shimano XTR RD-M9100 GS rear derailleur that I ordered from bike-components.de. Upon inspection, I noticed that the cage has a curve and the top and bottom pulleys aren't aligned. I tried contacting Shimano to no avail. Can anyone who owns one of these confirm if it's supposed to be like this or the cage of my rear derailleur is bent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfer1 View Post
    I recently received a Shimano XTR RD-M9100 GS rear derailleur that I ordered from bike-components.de. Upon inspection, I noticed that the cage has a curve and the top and bottom pulleys aren't aligned. I tried contacting Shimano to no avail. Can anyone who owns one of these confirm if it's supposed to be like this or the cage of my rear derailleur is bent?

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    the inner metal age is angled. not sure if there's significant curvature. this is 51t SGS

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    the inner metal age is angled. not sure if there's significant curvature. this is 51t SGS

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    Except for the longer cage, it looks like mine, so I guess it's designed to be like this. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfer1 View Post
    Except for the longer cage, it looks like mine, so I guess it's designed to be like this. Thanks.
    I dunno. His pulley wheels look co-planar/co-linear. Yours don't.

    OTOH it's hard to tell what exactly is what from the pictures, and it probably doesn't matter even if it's a little off, but XTR certainly isn't cheap, and I can't imagine why the pulley wheels wouldn't be aligned. If nothing else there are going to be a bunch of people who suddenly think their derailleur hangers are misaligned if Shimano actually designed the derailleur cage to no longer be perfectly parallel to the cogs.

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    Mine is like that, doesn't seem to affect shifting.

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    my pulleys have a slight offset but are straight up and down and parallel to each other and the cage does not have a bend to it at the bottom like that. Its on the bike but I will try and upload a pic of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbcracken View Post
    What is the word on if the new XTR chain is backwards compatible with M8000 chainrings? I am waiting for the shipment of new XTR 4 pots brakes, shifter, cassette and DT Swiss microspline freehub.

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    It is not...ended up using an older worn out XT chain ring and SRAM Eagle chain. Works well in the parking lot. Will try it out with intervals tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfer1 View Post
    Except for the longer cage, it looks like mine, so I guess it's designed to be like this. Thanks.
    Mine looks all bent too. This is normal. M9000/9050 series was bent, as are the last few iterations of my Dura Ace/Ultegra rear derailleurs. I was concerned the first time I saw it on a Di2 Ultegra mech and just assumed it was an 11 speed era tweak to assist the chain return from the chainrings.

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    Anyone have the chainring yet?

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    I'm still looking for cranks and chain ring too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
    Anyone have the chainring yet?
    Many European sites seem to suggest the chainring is 2-3 weeks away (Mantel.com says next week!) although Shimano Australia werenít expecting any in January.

    I recieved my M9120 cranks from Merlin Cycles a month ago. They are still in stock. FYI - the cranks come with the chainring tool TL-FC41.

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    Do any of you know if the new M9100 Shifter can be mounted to M9000/M8000 brakes with the older I-Spec II setup? I've heard that the Shimano line is that I-Spec EV is NOT backwards compatible, but then I've heard *rumors* that it works with the I-Spec II.... I don't know what to believe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiggy View Post
    Do any of you know if the new M9100 Shifter can be mounted to M9000/M8000 brakes with the older I-Spec II setup? I've heard that the Shimano line is that I-Spec EV is NOT backwards compatible, but then I've heard *rumors* that it works with the I-Spec II.... I don't know what to believe...
    Yes, the new shifter can be mounted to an I-Spec II mount if you use the older nut from the I-Spec II mount (because the new nut is longer and has a different curvature). Iíve done this below:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twiggy View Post
    Do any of you know if the new M9100 Shifter can be mounted to M9000/M8000 brakes with the older I-Spec II setup? I've heard that the Shimano line is that I-Spec EV is NOT backwards compatible, but then I've heard *rumors* that it works with the I-Spec II.... I don't know what to believe...
    I-Spec II and I-Spec EV aren't 100% compatible, but they're close enough.

    The new nut has a slightly different curvature, but you can tighten it just fine.

    You can also use the old nut if you file down the top and replace the stock bolt with an M5x12mm like the one shown in the following pictures.

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    And the 9000 shifter will mount the same as the ispec ev 9100 shifter on the 9100 brakes........
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    And the 9000 shifter will mount the same as the ispec ev 9100 shifter on the 9100 brakes........
    thanks for this. i just installed the 22.2 clamp shifter pod w/ hope levers and the shifter is wayyyy too far inboard.

    will try to re-install with the hope ispec b adapter.

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    for those waiting on chainrings, the 9000 steel 1x chainring seems to be thin enough to be compatible.


    also very surprised at the low cable tension this RD needs in 11th gear. the action at the tall end of the range seems to be a littttle less precise than i anticipated.

    and the shifter is STIFF before break-in.

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    Still amazed this stuff isn't readily available other than outside the US.

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    Is Shimano having QC issues, or are they just this bad at production and distribution?

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    Might be the plant fire. Not sure.

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    Since you cannot see both crank arms at the same time when installed, I would be fine with those. Maybe you can get some money back if you keep them.

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    This is nuts. I was waiting on the group mostly for the hubs and to see if USA prices were different.

    Guess I'm building up DT wheels

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    Just called worldwide cyclery, delivery of xtr expected in April now. Was suposed to be 2/1.

    Shimano is up to something. May be xt and slx 1x12?

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    I presently have a set of DT 240s and rims and they rock just fine. It seems we are always waiting for some bit. Most always the best bits are not available on published dates and quantity. Sure does generate interest and pent up demand. I am sure we will not be disappointed.

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    Forgot the link before https://www.pinkbike.com/news/shiman...available.html

    I was never planning on getting the cranks. Are people having issues with other brands rings working?

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    Reading that article it seems the answer is yes - Shimano is having quality issues AND production issues.

    So the Scylence hub is cancelled? They couldn't get it to work right?

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    What is the deal with the cranks and chainrings? I was never planning on using XTR cranks. I have Next cranks and wolf ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Forgot the link before https://www.pinkbike.com/news/shiman...available.html

    I was never planning on getting the cranks. Are people having issues with other brands rings working?
    Thanks for the link. Explains a ton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    This is nuts. I was waiting on the group mostly for the hubs and to see if USA prices were different.
    I'm just interested in what's your interest in the hubs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    I'm just interested in what's your interest in the hubs?
    Something different. I swear by DT240 and would normally never get the XTR but being silent I thought it was pretty cool.

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    I doubt that I would seriously entertain those hubs, but I would like to see them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Forgot the link before https://www.pinkbike.com/news/shiman...available.html

    I was never planning on getting the cranks. Are people having issues with other brands rings working?
    I am using raceface next with cinch chainring. only issues were the master link on the new 12 speed chain would get slightly hung up when backpedaling on the bottom teeth of the chainring. but after about 50 miles it must have wore the teeth down slightly and it disappeared. I have always used a oneup chain guide even with sram so not sure about chain retention issue possibility but i have had zero issues with any of the new european bought xtr and it is still the best drivetrain by far I have ever used. The shifting under power and ease of setup are my favorite selling points. Way easier to setup smooth shifting then sram eagle and shifts smoothly even under full power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    I doubt that I would seriously entertain those hubs, but I would like to see them.
    Can you explain why not? I was about to get a set of wheels built up with these hubs and then the Shimano issues popped up literally the same day as I was about to order! I was going to go Onyx but the weight and the lack of new shimano driver held me back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    Can you explain why not?
    Several reasons...

    I have had my fair share of years with cup & cone hubs and given the ease of maintenance and performance of cartridge bearings, I sticking with them.

    The new XTR's only come with Center Lock hubs and all of my bikes and wheel sets are 6-bolt disks. I have no desire to start buying/stocking brake disks that only fit one set of hubs.

    Non proven new freehubs... I'm not into experimenting and being a guinea pig to aid in someone else's design and learning curve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    Can you explain why not? I was about to get a set of wheels built up with these hubs and then the Shimano issues popped up literally the same day as I was about to order! I was going to go Onyx but the weight and the lack of new shimano driver held me back.
    In my last custom build, I tried to get a quiet hub. As you mentioned, the Onyx is a pig and Project 321 had issues. So I bought another pair of 240s with the 52. Turned out the whole quiet thing was overblown by me. I almost never hear 240s hub and when I do notice it, it is sutle and I soon do not hear it again. Onyx should have a newer lighter hub available soon. Yes it is a bit disappointing there will not be a quiet Hub from Shamino anytime soon. Does anyone remember when Shamano adverstised a quiet hub for cops so they could roll up a a bad guy with no warning? I saw the ad when they were pushing it.

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    oF those who have the new XTR, what chainring is working for you? Basic Narrow-wide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    oF those who have the new XTR, what chainring is working for you? Basic Narrow-wide?
    I am using raceface next with cinch chainring. only issues were the master link on the new 12 speed chain would get slightly hung up when backpedaling on the bottom teeth of the chainring. but after about 50 miles it must have wore the teeth down slightly and it disappeared.
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    So are there going to be 12 speed Shimano chain rings available? I have RF cinch and am getting ready to switch over to the new kit. That said I would prefer a chain ring that works with it. Also waiting for WT to bring out a an adapter for my dropper lever and new I-Spec.

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    XTR 12s Chainring compatibilty

    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    What is the deal with the cranks and chainrings? I was never planning on using XTR cranks. I have Next cranks and wolf ring.
    Posted in this section about my XTR 12 setup with M9000 cranks:
    https://forums.mtbr.com/shimano/m910...s-1096476.html

    Short version is the 12S XTR quicklink is 3.52mm between plates. Most narrow/wide rings are about 3.71mm wide meaning, the XTR quicklink will not fit over the wide teeth. So if you are planning an XTR12 build without M9100 12s cranks, do some home work.

    I ground the wide teeth on my Wolftooth 32T ring to ~3.45mm and it works perfectly. Contacted Wolftooth. This was their reply:

    "We plan to launch XTR 12 compatible chainrings in late February. These will be available as Race Face Cinch Direct Mount, XTR 12 Direct Mount, and Camo Rings. Sales will determine if it is feasible to expand the rings into other varieties."


    Also the cage on my RD is not co-planar, the upper and lower jockeys are not aligned in the same plane. You can see stamping shapes in the plate to indicate it is intentional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio700 View Post
    Posted in this section about my XTR 12 setup with M9000 cranks:
    https://forums.mtbr.com/shimano/m910...s-1096476.html

    Short version is the 12S XTR quicklink is 3.52mm between plates. Most narrow/wide rings are about 3.71mm wide meaning, the XTR quicklink will not fit over the wide teeth. So if you are planning an XTR12 build without M9100 12s cranks, do some home work.

    I ground the wide teeth on my Wolftooth 32T ring to ~3.45mm and it works perfectly. Contacted Wolftooth. This was their reply:

    "We plan to launch XTR 12 compatible chainrings in late February. These will be available as Race Face Cinch Direct Mount, XTR 12 Direct Mount, and Camo Rings. Sales will determine if it is feasible to expand the rings into other varieties."


    Also the cage on my RD is not co-planar, the upper and lower jockeys are not aligned in the same plane. You can see stamping shapes in the plate to indicate it is intentional




    Or you could use a Sram Eagle quick link and not have to grind on the chain ring.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom tom View Post
    Or you could use a Sram Eagle quick link and not have to grind on the chain ring.....
    That assumes the inner link width and pin diameters are exactly the same, which I doubt. Post here if you try that experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio700 View Post
    That assumes the inner link width and pin diameters are exactly the same, which I doubt. Post here if you try that experiment.
    I checked mine with a Mechanical-Optical Comparator and they are exactly the same. How did you check yours?
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    Here is all the updates about XTR

    Some people have been buying pre-production parts as new parts, for European countries bike shops.

    Yes in the new box's but with the bit of paper saying not for riding removed!

    Yes I have had parts like this when XT 11 speed came out year ago.

    https://pinkbike.com/news/shimanos-n...available.html

    So chainrings and non XTR 12 speed cranks are coming and some parts are changing for February.

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    No good

    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Yes?
    Nope. Whats the point? I can't run a 2x with a 40t rear. And my 1x is limited to a 32t front.

    I don't have the leg speed or access to Armstrong's dope to ride at a pace equivalent to a 2x with a 36t in back and 43t up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingemtbr View Post

    I don't have the leg speed or access to Armstrong's dope...
    Just a simple transfusion should do the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom tom View Post
    I checked mine with a Mechanical-Optical Comparator and they are exactly the same. How did you check yours?
    Digital Vernier caliper. Can you be more clear, did you successfully install a SRAM quicklink on an XTR12 chain and run it smoothly on a non-XTR12 narrow wide chainring?

    The info you provide might help others if it's definitive.

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    here's 9100 cranks mounted with absolute black oval 30T chainring.

    setup is about 70g lighter than 9000 xtr with the steel 1x ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio700 View Post
    That assumes the inner link width and pin diameters are exactly the same, which I doubt. Post here if you try that experiment.
    The inner link pin diameter is the same. The width was .001" wider for the inner link on the Eagle chain than on the XTR by my vernier calipers. This means the Eagle link fits just fine on the XTR chain as I and many others have been using. I am running the OneUp M9000 XTR chainring with no issues other than having to use the Eagle quicklink. When I first tried the chainring with the XTR link I informed OneUp that it didn't fit. They have since added that the chainring does not work with 12 spd XTR on their website. It's perfect with the Eagle link.
    For more info check out the larger 12 spd XTR thread over in Drivetrains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio700 View Post
    Digital Vernier caliper. Can you be more clear, did you successfully install a SRAM quicklink on an XTR12 chain and run it smoothly on a non-XTR12 narrow wide chainring?

    The info you provide might help others if it's definitive.
    Yes it works great....
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    Quote Originally Posted by andynunn View Post
    The inner link pin diameter is the same. The width was .001" wider for the inner link on the Eagle chain than on the XTR by my vernier calipers. This means the Eagle link fits just fine on the XTR chain as I and many others have been using..
    Very cool. Thanks for the details. I'll try that when my current ring wears out, which is usually pretty quick.

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    The parts are listed now at Jensen and other USA companies. No 9100 cranks just the new 900 cranks. Cheap too for the cranks. I thought Shimano said they weren't doing the 9100 cranks for sometime? These in FactoryMatt must be factory cranks that never made it to public.

    wonder if shimano priced new cranks cheap because of the delay and errors.
    no rear hub either.

    Also - I assume new cranks will work with Boost? Shimano website is still pre-press releases of delays and cancellations of new parts. Very surprised at all the errors given its a Japanese giant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrhead View Post
    The parts are listed now at Jensen and other USA companies. No 9100 cranks just the new 900 cranks. Cheap too for the cranks. I thought Shimano said they weren't doing the 9100 cranks for sometime? These in FactoryMatt must be factory cranks that never made it to public.

    wonder if shimano priced new cranks cheap because of the delay and errors.
    no rear hub either.

    Also - I assume new cranks will work with Boost? Shimano website is still pre-press releases of delays and cancellations of new parts. Very surprised at all the errors given its a Japanese giant.
    Currently $300 more than euro stores for RD, Shifter, Chain and Cassette. I wonder how much the price will come down over the next few months. My guess is not much.

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    Update one the Shimano XTR12 quick link incompatibility with SRAM Eagle chainrings: Wolftooth is set to release of rings compatible with XTR12 in the next 8 weeks. Should be pretty much the same as current rings, just a tad narrower to fit between the plates of the XTR12 quicklink.

    Race Face Cinch Direct Mount rings already shipping

    https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...ble-chainrings

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    Absolute black has oval put already.

    I love wolftooth stuff but their teeth are a little on the thick side.

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    If you run the Eagle quick link on your Shimano chain, do you even need a Shimano specific front chain ring? You can still get the shifting advantages with the Shimano chain and cassette right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    If you run the Eagle quick link on your Shimano chain, do you even need a Shimano specific front chain ring? You can still get the shifting advantages with the Shimano chain and cassette right?

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    Exactly!

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    Did the 11 showed 10 - 46 XTR cassette ever come in to existence? That's the one in interested in.

    Also, is all the shifting advantages in the chain alone or is it also in the ramping on the 9100 cassette?

    Thx.

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    Based on what I have measured myself and read in this thread, a SRAM chain will probably work on XTR12. I say probably because I have not personally tested it. The XTR cassette, shifter and derailleur have some technology that eagle does not. They call it pre shifting I think. Having run both I can say that the XTR12 differently shifts quicker and smoother, with lower lever effort.

    So yeah the point that I brought up earlier in this thread about potential incompatibility has been solved. You don't need to wait for the as yet to be released M9100 cranks. Use a SRAM quick link and a generic narrow wide chainring of your choice with the rest of the XTR12 drivetrain.

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    I was running a SRAM Eagle Chain with XTR cassette & rear der paired to my old XT 30T worn chainring. It worked but got a little clunky shifting from time to time. Had XTR 9120 cranks installed with an AB 30T oval this morning...shifting much noticeably better in just some parking lot testing.

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    Hats off to all very early adapters who imbraced these new bits. Ya all done great and illustrates how helpful these forums can be in sharing info. I would usually be right with you but starting a complete house redo. So I will wait for the Di2 version while my house is deconstructed. Enjoy your new equipment. Ya folks done great! Travel Safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrhead View Post
    The parts are listed now at Jensen and other USA companies. No 9100 cranks just the new 900 cranks. Cheap too for the cranks. I thought Shimano said they weren't doing the 9100 cranks for sometime? These in FactoryMatt must be factory cranks that never made it to public.

    wonder if shimano priced new cranks cheap because of the delay and errors.
    no rear hub either.

    Also - I assume new cranks will work with Boost? Shimano website is still pre-press releases of delays and cancellations of new parts. Very surprised at all the errors given its a Japanese giant.
    I got all excited but they are still saying available "April 30". Last I heard everything was supposed to be available by late March. ugh.

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    Any thoughts on metal or resin pads with the new trail brakes. I had their trail brakes in the past and don't even remember seeing you could pic when ordering.

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    Just took delivery of a new Specialized Epic Evo S-WORKS. It's running the 12 speed cassette and derailleur only. Chain is a KMC and raceface crank and ring. Doesn't seem super quiet but it shifts well. I'm not sure what I think at this point. Hub seems to be a 240 with micro spline.

    I was under the impression at launch last year they would only sell it with the shimano hub.

    Recovering from a skin cancer surgery so I cant ride it for a few weeks but I'll be trouble shooting this drivetrain soon I feel.

    PS. The new XTR brakes seem top notch as XTR brakes always are and the dropper lever feels good and its shape is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Just took delivery of a new Specialized Epic Evo S-WORKS. It's running the 12 speed cassette and derailleur only. Chain is a KMC and raceface crank and ring. Doesn't seem super quiet but it shifts well. I'm not sure what I think at this point. Hub seems to be a 240 with micro spline.

    I was under the impression at launch last year they would only sell it with the shimano hub.

    Recovering from a skin cancer surgery so I cant ride it for a few weeks but I'll be trouble shooting this drivetrain soon I feel.

    PS. The new XTR brakes seem top notch as XTR brakes always are and the dropper lever feels good and its shape is nice.
    If you want to get an oval Absolute Black XTR chainring, then you can run the XTR chain as well. I have found it to be worth it.

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    So I have heard that any chainring will work with the system it's that the quick link is too narrow to accept the ring teeth. Perhaps a KMC quick link or no quick link at all? Anyone experimenting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    So I have heard that any chainring will work with the system it's that the quick link is too narrow to accept the ring teeth. Perhaps a KMC quick link or no quick link at all? Anyone experimenting?
    I have been using a raceface next crank and chainring with 12speed xtr derailleur and cassette with 12 speed xtr chain with a $7 sram eagle GX quick link for hundreds of miles with zero issues. it is super quiet and super smooth.
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    That's probably what I'll end up doing then.

    I'm not able to get the new bike out yet but it has come with the KMC X12 ti chain, I'm just worried it's not going to work as well as the shimano with shifting under load etc. Plus prematurely killing the cassette



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    I asked about the new style quicklink in the drivetrain forum, but figured I would cross-post here and see if anyone is checking this but not the other thread.
    https://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-s...l#post14024525
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    2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-5981dc47-e3d8-4f8a-9806-3e506b6acb73.jpgI just got everything but the cranks. Itís beautiful and light!

    All from Jensen.

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ID:	1243356I just got everything but the cranks. Itís beautiful and light!

    All from Jensen.
    So is the hub non silent?

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    Itís not 100% silent but it sure is quiet and very little resistance. Iíll get them laced next week.

    Front hub 15x110 32 h. 134 grams
    Rear hub 12x148. 32 h. 234 grams. W/mechanism

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    Nice. I have an Ultegra Wheelset (6700?) that is very quiet. Wonderfully smooth bearing surfaces too. What are you going to build these hubs up with?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtrhead View Post
    Itís not 100% silent but it sure is quiet and very little resistance. Iíll get them laced next week.

    Front hub 15x110 32 h. 134 grams
    Rear hub 12x148. 32 h. 234 grams. W/mechanism

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    Quote Originally Posted by king_dave72 View Post
    Nice. I have an Ultegra Wheelset (6700?) that is very quiet. Wonderfully smooth bearing surfaces too. What are you going to build these hubs up with?
    Maybe NOX 29Ē with Sapx spokes. Just very $$

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    Iíve posted these pics in the Drivetrain forum already but for anyone interested hereís the MT900 chainring mated to the 9120 cranks. The whole set up works excellently. For me this is the group that M9000 should have been, both in functionality and looks (and I was extremely happy with my M9000!).
    2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-722ef476-96da-408a-a97a-438455b75add.jpg
    2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-3d07268d-5ab6-41e3-b101-73e11936930a.jpg

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    Nice looking drivetrain you have there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeSPOOK View Post
    Nice looking drivetrain you have there.
    Thanks. Shimano may have had some challenges getting it to market promptly but I reckon it was worth the wait. Hereís the other nice looking half...
    2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-b93d67c7-8021-45dd-9926-c73b315a59e6.jpg

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    Looking good, I wish I had the 10-45 cassette and short cage

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrhead View Post
    Itís not 100% silent but it sure is quiet and very little resistance. Iíll get them laced next week.

    Front hub 15x110 32 h. 134 grams
    Rear hub 12x148. 32 h. 234 grams. W/mechanism
    And youĎll be in for a suprise. These hubs are louder than my 240s with the 36T ratchet.

    https://videos.mtb-news.de/51406/2019_xtr_sylence_

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Looking good, I wish I had the 10-45 cassette and short cage
    I actually returned my 51 and got the 45.

    Hubs are getting laced to NOX carbons. Just waiting on cranks now

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    Quote Originally Posted by niconj View Post
    And youĎll be in for a suprise. These hubs are louder than my 240s with the 36T ratchet.
    It would be interesting to see what parts are different in the quiet vs. loud Sylence hubs. Maybe just a stronger spring to hold the drive plates together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stom_m3 View Post
    It would be interesting to see what parts are different in the quiet vs. loud Sylence hubs. Maybe just a stronger spring to hold the drive plates together.
    Yeah... I think it's not just a different spring. I can imagine that the ratchets wouldn't engage quick enough under high speed or under loads since they would have to overcome a huge gap before actually engaging.

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    they really painted themselves into a corner with the scylence moniker.

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    Not until Chris King gets the license for the new free-hub body .

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    Update:

    I'm now running the recently released Wolftooth XTR12 compatible rings on my FC-M9000 cranks with XTR12 chain & quick link. Runs buttery smooth and quiet.
    Last edited by Emilio700; 1 Week Ago at 06:33 PM.

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    does anyone know if the new XTR 12speed chainring works with old 11 speed chains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emilio700 View Post
    Update:

    I'm now running the recently released Wolftooth XTR12 compatible rings on my FC-M9000 cranks with XTR12 chain. Runs buttery smooth and quiet.
    Hi is that with the Shimano quick link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by therollex View Post
    Hi is that with the Shimano quick link?
    Yes, that's whats XTR12 compatible signifies.

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    Now that i've been riding this drivetrain for a bit, I found myself weeping for the last 30 years we've spent mountain biking on inferior contraptions (3*6,3*7, 3*8, 3*9, 3*10, 2*11, 1*12 SRAM), and lament as well for those that aspire but find it out of reach for what ever reason.

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