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    I have no doubt that the new stuff will be bombproof just like the M8000\M9000. My XT M8000 drivetrain has been nothing but reliable with maybe one adjustment per year. But as on owner of a bike that doesn't even have boost hubs, another hub standard where I can't even re-use my cassette is total BS. As "green" as bikers and/or bike companies claim to be (or want to be), we sure create a lot of waste by implementing this kind of obsolescence into our bikes and components.

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    Looks real nice. The crankset is 100 grams over xx1 the rest is lighter or on par!

    No more carbon spider on the cassette and more alloy than magnesium in the brakes but Iím sure they are still better.

    The whole hub standard gets me but they say DT already have the designs but itís going to be a big issue/delay as Iím down for a new group set but a new hub too?

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    "plus another derailleur for 2◊12 set-ups."

    are you serious?

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    Over 600% range with that 2x12!

    BKXC on yewtoob is going into the Himalayan mountains this fall I think. Enduro bike plus supplies and such and insane altitude it might be needed.

    Trek sells a bike with eagle and a 30 tooth in the front so people climb crazy stuff Itís just in Europe or Himalayan mtns

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    Xt 3x11 has 660% range.

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    So, canít i just use an Eagle cassette with new XTR derailleur and shifter?
    Or is that just too simple?

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    Until Shimano licenses out their new freehub body design this won't be too popular on anything but high-end OE specs and completely new wheel builds. Unless you happen to have compatible DT Swiss hubs, you're SOL if you want to run a 12-speed XTR cassette on your existing wheels. And if you have to buy a SRAM cassette to use the new XTR with your existing wheels, why not just go full SRAM? Kinda dumb on Shimano's part IMHO.

    Oh well; whatever. By the time XT comes out next year I bet Shimano will have licensed out the new freehub body so any hub manufacturer can spec it.

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    any idea if you can you swap current freehub by this new one on a 240/350 hub?

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    Jolanda Neff is running it with DT Swiss 240 right now Iím not sure what Shimano has done for her to run it but it could be simple

    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    any idea if you can you swap current freehub by this new one on a 240/350 hub?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    So, canít i just use an Eagle cassette with new XTR derailleur and shifter?
    Or is that just too simple?
    Spacing will most likely be slightly different. Maybe enough to matter maybe not. I would use the Sram chain with a Sram cassette and shimano chain with shimano cassette.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    any idea if you can you swap current freehub by this new one on a 240/350 hub?
    Looks like you can, just a free hub swap.2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-img_1266.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimphatty View Post
    "plus another derailleur for 2◊12 set-ups."

    are you serious?
    Some of us like to pedal down hills hard and fast.
    Just because you freewheel.
    I bikepack miles and add the range...
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    Many of the articles have stated (look at the one on nsmb.com for example) that existing DT hubs will will work - just need the freehub.

    DT developed the system with Shimano so they're the first to get access. Nice for those of us who use 240s, or other DT hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    Over 600% range with that 2x12!

    BKXC on yewtoob is going into the Himalayan mountains this fall I think. Enduro bike plus supplies and such and insane altitude it might be needed.

    Trek sells a bike with eagle and a 30 tooth in the front so people climb crazy stuff Itís just in Europe or Himalayan mtns
    Right, because those are the only two places on Earth with big mountains or steep climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    So, canít i just use an Eagle cassette with new XTR derailleur and shifter?
    Or is that just too simple?
    Not too simple, answer is yes. There is simply not enough real estate for them to mess with the spacing like they used to on 7/8/9 speed systems.

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    DT Swiss was given the heads up wrt to the new microspline design over a year ago.
    I'm told the DT 240s hub isn't upgradable to microspline and that anew hub is required. I can't confirm this at this stage. The 350 hub range should be compatible though. No on knows for sure yet if DT swiss is going to make a separate freehub o upgrade current DT hubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad View Post
    DT Swiss was given the heads up wrt to the new microspline design over a year ago.
    I'm told the DT 240s hub isn't upgradable to microspline and that anew hub is required. I can't confirm this at this stage. The 350 hub range should be compatible though. No on knows for sure yet if DT swiss is going to make a separate freehub o upgrade current DT hubs
    That sucks since I have a 240 on my bike!

    The extra money for the hubs on this xtr build makes the damn groupset 2600 dollars. It's not going to hit the ground running at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    That sucks since I have a 240 on my bike!

    The extra money for the hubs on this xtr build makes the damn groupset 2600 dollars. It's not going to hit the ground running at this point.
    All I need is the 10-45 11 speed cassette for my Di2 XT and a new hub unless maybe if I can convert my 240. Time will tell if that will be possible. New stuff is almost always good for us and the industry. Bikes continue to get better in all areas. Humans mostly do not like change and these changes will cost you if you want to ďupgradeĒ. This new stuff keeps our sport fresh however. ETap will be available for Eagle soon and then Shimano will offer DI2 XTR 12 sp, then XT and so on. Expensive for sure but Shimano is great in moving the latest tech down stream.

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    Shimano has to license out the Microspline freehub body design eventually. Freezing out every hub and wheel manufacturer other than DT Swiss is a sure-fire way to kill 12-speed XTR (and 12-speed XT, and whatever else follows) dead in the water. I'm sure Shimano knows this. It wouldn't surprise me to see Microspline stay exclusive to Shimano and DT Swiss hubs for a while, but you can bet by the time 12-speed XT comes out all the other hub manufacturers out there will be on board with Microspline-compatible freehub bodies.

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    I'm waiting for the new 28" wheels...
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    A?
    A 29"er wheel is a 28" wheel! also a 700c wheel.
    Look at your rim size and it says 622mm.

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    So not true!
    Most hub and wheel manufacturers will have Micospline freehub body by later in the year when the XTR groupset is coming out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schwa72 View Post
    Shimano has to license out the Microspline freehub body design eventually. Freezing out every hub and wheel manufacturer other than DT Swiss is a sure-fire way to kill 12-speed XTR (and 12-speed XT, and whatever else follows) dead in the water. I'm sure Shimano knows this. It wouldn't surprise me to see Microspline stay exclusive to Shimano and DT Swiss hubs for a while, but you can bet by the time 12-speed XT comes out all the other hub manufacturers out there will be on board with Microspline-compatible freehub bodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZPeterG View Post
    So not true!
    Most hub and wheel manufacturers will have Micospline freehub body by later in the year when the XTR groupset is coming out.

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    Your statement is nothing but pure speculation and/or wishful thinking. Show me one article from a reliable source that says "most hub and wheel manufacturers will have Microspline freehub body when the XTR groupset is coming out." You won't find such an article because Shimano hasn't said that. The fact they haven't said that speaks volumes.

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    SRAM licensed their XD driver from Day One. Why didn't Shimano do the same thing? If Shimano had planned to let third party hub/wheel manufacturers in on the Microspline party right away there is no question they'd have announced that when they announced the new XTR.

    So, uh, you're wrong. Just because you wish that most hub/wheel manufacturers will offer Microspline solutions when XTR hits the streets doesn't make it so.

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    I think DT confirmed that they will have a Microspline freehub body for their DT240/350 hubs so upgrading will be simple.

    I'm interested in the Scylence hub, but Microspline and 12-speed is a don't care for me. I already don't use the 40/46t big cog on my 11s cassettes so I don't need another larger 51t cog that I don't use (dead weight).

    I'd like to see a regular Shimano freehub body for the XTR Scylence hub. If Shimano won't offer it, then I hope some small manufacturer will.

    I have two bikes with XTR Di2 so I'm also looking forward to the next gen Di2.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    All I need is the 10-45 11 speed cassette for my Di2 XT and a new hub unless maybe if I can convert my 240. Time will tell if that will be possible. New stuff is almost always good for us and the industry. Bikes continue to get better in all areas. Humans mostly do not like change and these changes will cost you if you want to ďupgradeĒ. This new stuff keeps our sport fresh however. ETap will be available for Eagle soon and then Shimano will offer DI2 XTR 12 sp, then XT and so on. Expensive for sure but Shimano is great in moving the latest tech down stream.

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    Does anyone know when you can actually buy this stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Does anyone know when you can actually buy this stuff?
    my shop was hoping to set me up in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Does anyone know when you can actually buy this stuff?
    Not available for a few more months.
    But any good Local Bike Shop once out.
    I New Zealand we had a list to backorder from the first small drop into NZ.
    I have to wait for the second NZ shipment because I'm after 2◊12 for my Bikepacking bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalon2018 View Post
    my shop was hoping to set me up in October.
    That is the due date for the 1st shipments about the world.
    Not long now

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    Can't wait for this stuff to come out.

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    German vendors have a few items in stock now. No cassettes tho.

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    dt swiss told me microspline will be available in october. Im hoping that means standalone fh bod ies.

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    One DT Swiss MicrosSpline FreeHub Body (available now in Au) 2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-20180910_074006235_ios.jpg2018 Shimano XTR 12-speed-20180910_074027937_ios.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
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    can you confirm it fits existing 148mm 240S hubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    can you confirm it fits existing 148mm 240S hubs?
    Hi I can.
    Yes replacement for any DT Swiss 240 and 350 hub plus fits OEM wheels that come with DT Swiss 240/350 internals.
    Also in stock in NZ wholesaler.
    Yes you can just buy a freehub.

    I'm Looking forward to XT 12 speed next year I believe maybe?

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    Thanks!

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    Going to convert my boost Rovals. I know the free hub will work as the hub is DT. Wondering if I need a new end cap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHSAD View Post
    Going to convert my boost Rovals. I know the free hub will work as the hub is DT. Wondering if I need a new end cap?
    The freehub (DT Swiss call a rotor) comes with a matching end cap.
    Saying for 142 and 148 hub's.

    I hope this helps you

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    Has anyone played with the rear derailleur?
    Curious if it has a 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
    I really like that feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Has anyone played with the rear derailleur?
    Curious if it has a 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
    I really like that feature.
    Yes and No


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    Care to elaborate?
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    ^^^ Yes, he's played with it
    No, it does not have 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    ^^^ Yes, he's played with it
    No, it does not have 'lock open' mechanism like the Eagle.
    Thanks

    Sorry it was time to sleep.
    Yes I have had prototype XTR and pre production in my hands.

    Not too the lock open because that is a SRAM thing.

    It's got the better (because of rebuild and servicing) Shimano clutch system.

    Yes not as good fitting in one's wheel.

    But I'll be fitting a 2◊12 Shimano drive train next year.

    I'm very impressed looking forward to better shifting.

    Why 2◊ because I Bikepack and like to have gears for the road too when Bikepacking in events.

    Have a good day (or night)


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    Got it.
    I wasn't pickin' up what he was puttin' down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Got it.
    I wasn't pickin' up what he was puttin' down...
    It's all ok

    I was tired and about to sleep.

    Got to see all the prototype and pre-production XTR 12 speed at a Shimano training day in New Zealand.



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    Hi NZPeterG, while you were at training day did you get indication when the new XTR stock would be available Au/NZ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
    Hi NZPeterG, while you were at training day did you get indication when the new XTR stock would be available Au/NZ?
    Yes

    November ETA
    But this is a due date and can change.

    Good products come in due time.




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    Little thread product drift here, but I wonder if an Eagle derailleur will have enough b tension adjustment for the 51 XTR cassette...
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    Not changing my chris king hubs for this. Hope they license the freehub body soon or I will go SRAM. Crazy that you have to change your hubs to be able to use the shimano stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Not changing my chris king hubs for this. Hope they license the freehub body soon or I will go SRAM. Crazy that you have to change your hubs to be able to use the shimano stuff.
    It's not Crazy.
    Shimano freehub has been around from the 1980's and at the time one would run a Shimano or a Suntour freehub
    Than Suntour was gone and only one freehub for years (on MTB's)
    The SRAM can out with 1◊ and a new hub body.
    It's got a few issues but overall people a loved 1◊ use it.
    It's a SRAM design and Shimano looked at fixing the short comings.
    So a new better design is out and the start of a whole new set of drivetrains.
    CK will have a freehub body coming like White Industries dt-swiss etc.
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    I have one. Except I got the 9-speed version

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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Not changing my chris king hubs for this. Hope they license the freehub body soon or I will go SRAM. Crazy that you have to change your hubs to be able to use the shimano stuff.
    microspline is already available from two other manus. chris king is about as proprietary as it gets ironicallly.

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    Can't believe we are in October and this stuff is still not readily available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Can't believe we are in October and this stuff is still not readily available.
    I can. I don't expect private sales until April 2019 at the earliest.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    I can. I don't expect private sales until April 2019 at the earliest.
    That's news to me. There was all this talk about fall. I mean I could get it out of the US but rather see it everywhere first.

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    starbike has alot of stuff but not everything. i think 11-51 cassettes just became available. im still waiting on chain shifter and chainring to complete my group (no brakes or hubs).

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    OEM will come first and I haven't seen a complete group at any bike at a shop or online retailer.
    Making shit harder than it needs to be isn't awesome, it's just...harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    OEM will come first and I haven't seen a complete group at any bike at a shop or online retailer.
    Doesn't mean April unless I'm missing something.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/wheres...t-manager.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Can't believe we are in October and this stuff is still not readily available.
    What's not available?
    3rd party cassettes and freehubs, or the Shimano groupset?
    The group set is partially available in Europe, and the rest of the group set is schedule to be available until the end of October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aglo View Post
    What's not available?
    3rd party cassettes and freehubs, or the Shimano groupset?
    The group set is partially available in Europe, and the rest of the group set is schedule to be available until the end of October.
    I should say the Shimano groupset in the US. I know you can get most of it in europe. I don't have a problem buying from there but it would be nice to comparison shop and see what prices really are.

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    the pedals are already on sale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04 F2000SL View Post
    the pedals are already on sale...
    Are they 12 speed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Are they 12 speed?
    No, but OneUp sells a kit to make them so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexbn921 View Post
    OEM will come first and I haven't seen a complete group at any bike at a shop or online retailer.
    QBP just pushed back estimated availability to Dec/January.
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    Just raced on the new pedals. Definutely tighter feeling. One of the seals already worked its way out. Shimano QC is doing great....

    Got cranks and rear derailleur in hand too. They look great. Cranks are a work of art.

    Starbike has everything but chainring amd shifter at this point. Not sure about brakes.

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    Anyone know when the chainrings will be available? I have everything for the new XTR except the chainring. Absolute black is supposed to be coming out with an oval for the new cranks so will go that route if it comes out first. Thanks
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    where r u guys buying these stuff? all I can find at the usual online places are out of stock and pre order only

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    where r u guys buying these stuff? all I can find at the usual online places are out of stock and pre order only
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    i was told by end of Nov. for Chainring

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    i was told by end of Nov. for Chainring
    thanks. Yeah I was able to get the cranks from starbike and everything else from ebay vendors in china but no chainrings.
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    Think the prices were decent?

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    Anyone have a part number for the right BB for the cranks (on a yeti SB100)?
    Or, to put it another way, does anyone know the spindle diameter for the new cranks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJF View Post
    Think the prices were decent?
    I am $1079.28 all in for cranks, bottom bracket, rear derailleur, 10-51 cassette, dt swiss microspline, chain and shifter. Not sure if it was the best deal but I think decent deal at least. I didn't know I couldn't get a chainring or may have waited But will be ready when it comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony110672 View Post
    I am $1079.28 all in for cranks, bottom bracket, rear derailleur, 10-51 cassette, dt swiss microspline, chain and shifter. Not sure if it was the best deal but I think decent deal at least. I didn't know I couldn't get a chainring or may have waited But will be ready when it comes out.
    Only reason I've waited is I want to build new wheels but want the XTR hubs. Dragging on how long its all taking to be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony110672 View Post
    I am $1079.28 all in for cranks, bottom bracket, rear derailleur, 10-51 cassette, dt swiss microspline, chain and shifter. Not sure if it was the best deal but I think decent deal at least. I didn't know I couldn't get a chainring or may have waited But will be ready when it comes out.
    Where did you get the dt freehub?

    N/m, found one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Where did you get the dt freehub?

    N/m, found one.
    The are available from any good bike shop in NZ.
    The wholesaler have got a number of them in stock now.
    Come on down under

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    My understanding is that the official production release is now early December. The components that are available from Starbike and other online sellers is likely to be pre-production components ie the leftovers from all the roadshows and demo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aja07 View Post
    My understanding is that the official production release is now early December. The components that are available from Starbike and other online sellers is likely to be pre-production components ie the leftovers from all the roadshows and demo's.
    I guess thats possible but all the parts I have are in factory sealed boxes with all labels instructions, serial #'s etc. Look production to me.
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    Yes, they would be 100% perfect components in sealed boxes, was not implying otherwise. For most components there will be no difference between pre-production and production, for some there might be some very minor (imperceptible) tweaks as a result of feed back from all the testers during the trials. It is quite likely that those components that you are missing are the ones they are tweaking.

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