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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFlex View Post
    Plusher in the initial part of the stroke with more mid stroke support and the end part of the stroke firms up without being harsh. I was bottoming every ride previously, now I'm close but yet to bottom! So now there is more grip and balance, zero harsh feelings.
    Curious....what is your riding weight, air pressure you are running and any bands or vol reducers? Thinking this might work for me.

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    Installed MegNeg on my HT. Riding weight 190, was running 195 psi in stock super deluxe with 2 tokens, 4 clicks of LSC (from open) just a hair shy of bottoming out. Shock felt pretty good, but a little harsh compared to my last bike, which had a DPX2.

    The MegNeg made the shock go from good to great. Removed the tokens from the positive chamber, running MegNeg with 2 bands out of 4, 3 clicks of LSC. Had to increase pressure to 238. Shock is very plush, with good mid support.

    Now running the bike in the high position. Was running in low before, because the bike's suspension kinematics felt better with that geometry.

    Edit: Just watched the Bike Magazine HT review, they liked the bike but commented that the rear suspension felt harsh/chatttery compared to the Norco Sight. I think the MegNeg fixes that characteristic. My HT still climbs just as well as it did before BTW.


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    Thanks for the info, you are same weight as I am so this sounds good. So you went up in air pressure (I assume to maintain proper sag) but the shock feels less harsh, interesting.

    I have not tried the high position but I have not been riding rocky or challenging terrain yet. No pedal strikes so far.

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    The larger negative air spring necessitates more psi. The instructions on shock setup states that you'll need about 20% more psi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    Installed MegNeg on my HT. Riding weight 190, was running 195 psi in stock super deluxe with 2 tokens, 4 clicks of LSC (from open) just a hair shy of bottoming out. Shock felt pretty good, but a little harsh compared to my last bike, which had a DPX2.

    The MegNeg made the shock go from good to great. Removed the tokens from the positive chamber, running MegNeg with 2 bands out of 4, 3 clicks of LSC. Had to increase pressure to 238. Shock is very plush, with good mid support.

    Now running the bike in the high position. Was running in low before, because the bike's suspension kinematics felt better with that geometry.

    Edit: Just watched the Bike Magazine HT review, they liked the bike but commented that the rear suspension felt harsh/chatttery compared to the Norco Sight. I think the MegNeg fixes that characteristic. My HT still climbs just as well as it did before BTW.


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    I thought the same thing in relation to the chattery back end. I was quite shocked at this given all reviews had said how good the back end was but I found it slightly uncontrolled and didn't go a good job at all over high speed repeated hits.

    The megneg did help it quite a bit, giving a little more movement easier near the sag point over small high speed chatter. Over the bigger single hits the megneg gave lots of support and helped with ramping up even more so that was a definite improvement.

    I went a step further and put an Ohlins coil in there (525lb spring) and this got it closer to how it should have been from factory in relation to chatter. Much more controlled, chatter muted another level, still not erased by any means but not distracting like it was with the air shock. (The chain slap noise I experienced with the air shocks was decent enough to be annoying, now its tolerable...I like a quiet bike).

    I just fitted the RWC needle bearing into the bottom mount of the coil and this has made a further improvement to the chatter. Now I've started to forget about the suspension and just ride it so it's damn close to the best that it's going to get. Definitely lost a little pop fitting the coil but not enough that it's a negative. Bike is much calmer in relation to trail feel and noise, much nicer to ride overall now.

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    Got a ride between rain storms, first time out on the new tire set-up I mentioned, Aggressor 2.3 out back, Ardent 2.4 front. 25 psi in both to start. The ride I was on is a urban easy 12 mi loop in the local hills that does not get real wet after rain and when all the good trails are closed this one is where everyone ends up. It's not technical by any means, has a lot of long steady hills to go up, two very steep grunt hills and a few good high speed down hill sections, you can get up over 30 mph. We call it the exercise ride, good spin for the legs

    So Immediately noticed a much faster bike on the flats, far less effort to keep it rolling, especially in the tacky dirt and slight uphill sections. The DHR II's were clearly bogging the bike down. I had all the traction I needed from the Aggressor, never slipped or spun out, even when I was somewhat trying to. There are only a hand full of spots on this ride where you can lean into the front tire, I rode each of those several times over increasing my speed into the turn every time trying to find the limit. I never experienced any wash out or loss of grip from the Ardent, and I tried. We did have hero dirt which helps a lot but I got no feeling it was inconsistent.

    Overall for me this is the change the bike needed, I have a renewed excitement and really enjoy the ride on the more mellow trails now. I had previously felt the bike was riding slow and dare I use the descriptor "lead sled". That is not even a thought now. so if you have similar issues different tires does make a huge difference. This combo may not work for you but feels pretty awesome to me. Total weight change is just about a pound less, no biggie but certainly does not hurt!

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    Once that Ardent bites you a few times, put a Dissector on up front instead. ITís a fantastic balance of grip and weight for mellow trails with a ton of pedaling. Iím running it with an Aggressor rear on one bike and a Rekon rear on another and itís livened the bike up tremendously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomadpop View Post
    I am running a 160mm air spring on a Pike Ultimate on my V2. There are hash marks on the stanchions for 150mm and 160mm travel for setting the sag. Fork feels really nice. Coming off 4 bikes with Lyriks I find the Pike totally capable for me at 175 pounds.
    Wait, what? So you put in a 160mm air spring for a Lyrik into a 29er Pike Ultimate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    Wait, what? So you put in a 160mm air spring for a Lyrik into a 29er Pike Ultimate?
    No you want a 160mm pike B1 Debonair spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuch View Post
    Once that Ardent bites you a few times, put a Dissector on up front instead. ITís a fantastic balance of grip and weight for mellow trails with a ton of pedaling. Iím running it with an Aggressor rear on one bike and a Rekon rear on another and itís livened the bike up tremendously.

    - I just had my 1st ride with a Dissector 2.4WT Front & Rekon 2.4WT Rear and couldn't be happier!

    Granted, the dirt is sooooooooooo good right now in Toro Park that a SpecialEd Fastrack/Renegade combo would work. LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    No you want a 160mm pike B1 Debonair spring.
    Is that true also for 29 wheels and 2020 Pike model?
    I thought that Pike 2020 for 29 wheels is just up to 150mm and that scale on the leg 160mm is meant for 27,5 wheels.
    Am I wrong?

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    I was talking to a Santa Cruz rep today and he mentioned a spacer can be removed in the super deluxe bumping the travel up alittle to 146. He only had good things to say about doing it. Has anyone else done this?

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    I would assume he was talking about the internal bumper not a spacer, would want to make sure there is clearance for the extra travel of the rear tire. I could be wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brookstar View Post
    I was talking to a Santa Cruz rep today and he mentioned a spacer can be removed in the super deluxe bumping the travel up alittle to 146. He only had good things to say about doing it. Has anyone else done this?

    It's been hinted at a few times in this thread, but no one has yet to confirm this is happening successfully. We all just keep teasing and staring at each other. LOL Any other details from the conversation you can share?


    I'm installing a megneg next week, so I may play around while I am dabbling and see how she looks.
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    Well, how much clearance is there to the seat tube at full bottom out with the stock shock deflated?

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    This thread needs more photos. LOLOL Happy New Years fellas!
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    ^^^Looks goooooood.

    Parts are starting to trickle in for my HT build. Currently torn between GX Eagle and XT 12 spd. Anyone running the XT 12 spd? How you liking it?
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    I have heard the XT 12 is smoother under tension shifting like when starting a climb. My Eagle gives off quite a loud chain jump noise if I am in the wrong gear for a climb and try a quick downshift w/o backing off the pedal. Sometimes sounds like a tooth was broke off.

    I have XT on my 27.5 bike but it is 10 speed so not a good comparison, but it is a much more precise shift than I get with my Eagle.

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    I've been running XT 12 speed on my HT for about a month now. Always preferred Shimano, ran 11 spd XT most recently. Also have owned a bike with GX Eagle, and ridden X01.

    Shimano 12 speed is the benchmark in drivetrains now. Not even close. I'm sure there are Sram fans out there that would vehemently disagree with this statement, but I speak from experience (bike mechanic for the last 25 years).

    Not saying that Sram Eagle doesn't do its job, but it is a big performance upgrade from Sram Eagle/Shimano 11 speed.

    Like someone else said on a different thread, Shimano may be late to the party, but they brought hot pizza and cold beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    I've been running XT 12 speed on my HT for about a month now. Always preferred Shimano, ran 11 spd XT most recently. Also have owned a bike with GX Eagle, and ridden X01.

    Shimano 12 speed is the benchmark in drivetrains now. Not even close. I'm sure there are Sram fans out there that would vehemently disagree with this statement, but I speak from experience (bike mechanic for the last 25 years).

    Not saying that Sram Eagle doesn't do its job, but it is a big performance upgrade from Sram Eagle/Shimano 11 speed.

    Like someone else said on a different thread, Shimano may be late to the party, but they brought hot pizza and cold beer.

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    Shimano were 3 years behind when Eagle launched, they are about to become the same once again.

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    Really?

    Is it because Chris Hilton, who oversaw the introduction of XX1 1x systems, 12 speed Eagle and wireless AXS drivetrains, left Sram in October to join YT?




    ooooh, let me guess....AXS brakes?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    Shimano were 3 years behind when Eagle launched, they are about to become the same once again.
    Wishful thinking or do you have any evidence?

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    I picked up a MegNeg and am excited to get it installed. I'll let you know how it feels. Now I just have to decide if I should grab a couple of beers and tackle it myself or let my LBS do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpzbc View Post
    I picked up a MegNeg and am excited to get it installed. I'll let you know how it feels. Now I just have to decide if I should grab a couple of beers and tackle it myself or let my LBS do it.

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    It's so incredibly easy to install that you'd be wasting your money to have your LBS do it. The only thing you might need is a strap wrench to loosen the can up... everything else is done with common tools and your hands. From the very start until the beginning, you'll be done within an hour, taking your sweet time.

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    This is a good step by step. I would mute it and provide your own soundtrack though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty2019 View Post
    Wishful thinking or do you have any evidence?
    I have the same question as Frosty.

    The fact that the guy who oversaw the development of ground-breaking MTB tech such as 1X, 12spd Eagle, and AXS (and yes, it was groundbreaking) left a Global company like SRAM for a direct to consumer bike brand leads me to think that maybe there aren't any new innovative paradigm shifts on the horizon at SRAM to further propel mountain bike technology into the future, ready to annihilate and relegate Shimano's new system into the trash bin of history...


    but I could be wrong.
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    I just completed my megneg install man. I used the SRAM manual online and that video above. If I can do it, you can. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuch View Post
    It's been hinted at a few times in this thread, but no one has yet to confirm this is happening successfully. We all just keep teasing and staring at each other. LOL Any other details from the conversation you can share?


    I'm installing a megneg next week, so I may play around while I am dabbling and see how she looks.
    The rep said he heard it from his boss, making it sound like if anyone would know it was him. He said it doesn't affect the warranty either. Im pretty sold on it, and with a megneg I think it would amazing

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    Clearance between tire (2.4 Rekon) and seat stay at full compression, photo as requested. (I'm sticking with 140 because its been crushing for me just how I like it). Also a pic of the megneg installed.
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    Apologies as I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. What are people running for rebound?

    I've tried so many different things that I'm kind of lost now.

    My current settings:
    weight: 220lbs
    shock: 215 PSI (33ish % sag)
    LSC: 4 clicks from full open

    Riding mostly Bay Area trails - Tamarancho, UC, Demo. Looking for a "glued to the ground" feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuch View Post
    Clearance between tire (2.4 Rekon) and seat stay at full compression, photo as requested. (I'm sticking with 140 because its been crushing for me just how I like it). Also a pic of the megneg installed.

    Whatís your weight and how many spacers are you running in the negative chamber?

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    On Rebound:
    I was running three clicks from open at 178psi. Probably not gonna help you too much there man.

    Megneg:
    Just based on other's feedback I put two in there to see how she feels, while removing the one and only spacer in the posi chamber. One of the main youtube videos (almost all of them seem to be Transition bikes with very linear curves) suggested starting with all of them, then removing all of them while conducting trial and error. Man, I dont have time for that and getting this shock on and off isnt the easiest. I am hoping this feels better than without it so I can feel like I accomplished something. My set up without it felt pretty damn dialed so for me...I am after small bump compliance. If it frustrates me, I will go back to the standard can, add a token and drop PSI. We'll see. Quite a few guys claiming this thing really works well.
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    Anyone tried or just thinked about Mulleting HT2? in High setting could be a nice setup, or maybe too low BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tibowski View Post
    Anyone tried or just thinked about Mulleting HT2? in High setting could be a nice setup, or maybe too low BB?
    I wouldnít try that. Everything I have read/seen about mulleting a bike says that itís best done with a 27.5 bike specd with a larger front fork. If you do it to a 29er you drop the bb too low and you have too long of chain stays to really make a difference on the back end.

    If you have a wheel, throw it on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tibowski View Post
    Anyone tried or just thinked about Mulleting HT2? in High setting could be a nice setup, or maybe too low BB?
    I was thinking about this too. My plan was to throw a 2.6 tire on a rear 27.5 rim and set the chip to High. However, I'm still trying to figure out my 29" setup so the mullet experiment will have to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuch View Post
    On Rebound:
    I was running three clicks from open at 178psi. Probably not gonna help you too much there man.
    This does provide some data. Thanks!

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    First ride on the megneg with a shockwiz score of 92. Wow. I didn't expect to be this stoked. Trying to put it all in words because its definitely a lot of "feel" but I'll get something together shortly for you guys. Can't disagree with most of what has already been posted.
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    what's the size of the megneg that fits on the HT2 super deluxe?

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    A few posts up there is a picture of the box label with the correct sizing my man! Shows 47.5-55mm, but I am not at home to look at my shock.
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    Anyone know the max seatpost insertion depth on a Large CC frame? Looks like that shock tunnel may get in the way of a 160mm Revive for my 31" inseam....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    Anyone know the max seatpost insertion depth on a Large CC frame? Looks like that shock tunnel may get in the way of a 160mm Revive for my 31" inseam....
    Can't help with exact dimensions but the Large complete build comes with a 170 Reverb as standard that can be slammed.

    I also have a slammed 185 Revive on my XL frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    Anyone know the max seatpost insertion depth on a Large CC frame? Looks like that shock tunnel may get in the way of a 160mm Revive for my 31" inseam....
    I'm running a 185 Revive in my size Large CC. I don't know what my inseam is but I'm 5'11" and the 185 is spot on.

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    Anyone knows where to get the silver santacruz frame stickers (without a black edge) that match the lyrik silver stickers? Can't find them on invisiframe's site

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    Quote Originally Posted by boubla View Post
    Anyone knows where to get the silver santacruz frame stickers (without a black edge) that match the lyrik silver stickers? Can't find them on invisiframe's site
    Click custom order and ask for "foil"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuch View Post
    A few posts up there is a picture of the box label with the correct sizing my man! Shows 47.5-55mm, but I am not at home to look at my shock.
    Yup; it synchs with what SC has posted in the "components" section of the HT page:
    Eye to Eye length 210mm
    Stroke 52.5mm

    So when you see the different choices available, just make sure those 2 numbers are included.

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    Greetings all,
    Looking into ordering the Fox Float 36 forks. Wondered if anyone could supply a part number of any kind for the options that fit the Hightower V2 in an XL?
    Was trying to look up the specs on SC site but it seems to be down at the moment. I've spent the last two days reading this thread here and there. I know I've most likely missed what I'm looking for so I apologize in Advance for my missed information.

    Also, looking into the Renthal Fat Bar so I can get a little bit of rise on the bars. Any headset combo recommendations?


    Anywho, first post so Ill leave a review of my steed.
    I have to add my two cents as far as the HT V2 goes. I scoured the web for the beafiest sounding bike that can still tote my ass up a hill or two. I was leaning towards the MT but most reviews said she shines most if you are more of a shuttle kind of guy. So I went with the HT V2 in an XL in the Desert Tan. I'm 6'3" 190 without gear. I went against my local root rule and I ordered mine from Mike's Bikes during their Christmas sale and must say the Gold Assembly offering was awesome. Being a Caterpillar mechanic, I went over all the work of an unknown bicycle mechanic to check the trustworthy-ness. I did find a couple loose bolts and nuts. But nothing worth complaining over.
    First ride impression: Climbing on this bike was like no other all-mountain bike I've ever ridden. I came off of an Iron Horse 6Point4, so I'm kind of in the dark to try and compare it to anything of recent ages. I experienced a minor amount of front wheel bob when I wasn't concentrating climbing up a half pipe shape sort of trail. I am able to stay in the saddle a lot more when climbing technical rocky areas and can pretty much point and go.
    The decent was what I really got this bike for and I can't say a single negative thing about my experience throughout the decent. Very rocky and technical, some at rather high speed where other bikes are super loud, this was very quiet. The bike was very nimble and responsive, it doesn't bounce around making incredibly easy to maintain your line at speed. I did notice some pedal strikes but I do have it in the Low setting and I have shimano DT pedals on it for now. (until I choose a pedal color based on the color scheme I choose) Overall a great ride up and down the mountain and 10/10 would recommend it to anyone. Can't wait to customize mine and post her up!

    Oh, I also took it to San Juan Creek and it absolutely amazed me coming down, the switchbacks were very rough after the rains and I was able to carry momentum around corners so well that i scraped the bottom fork tubes on numerous occasions. Not only does it handle high speed decent but it corners very well. I have yet to take to anything with big hits or drops yet. But will update if anything pops up. Thanks for all the help and info. so far guys! Happy Trails
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    Quote Originally Posted by boubla View Post
    Anyone knows where to get the silver santacruz frame stickers (without a black edge) that match the lyrik silver stickers? Can't find them on invisiframe's site
    https://www.invisiframe.co.uk/santa-...ut-decals.html

    chose color: silver foil gloss

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerzc View Post
    Greetings all,
    Looking into ordering the Fox Float 36 forks. Wondered if anyone could supply a part number of any kind for the options that fit the Hightower V2 in an XL?
    Was trying to look up the specs on SC site but it seems to be down at the moment. I've spent the last two days reading this thread here and there. I know I've most likely missed what I'm looking for so I apologize in Advance for my missed information.

    Also, looking into the Renthal Fat Bar so I can get a little bit of rise on the bars. Any headset combo recommendations?


    Anywho, first post so Ill leave a review of my steed.
    I have to add my two cents as far as the HT V2 goes. I scoured the web for the beafiest sounding bike that can still tote my ass up a hill or two. I was leaning towards the MT but most reviews said she shines most if you are more of a shuttle kind of guy. So I went with the HT V2 in an XL in the Desert Tan. I'm 6'3" 190 without gear. I went against my local root rule and I ordered mine from Mike's Bikes during their Christmas sale and must say the Gold Assembly offering was awesome. Being a Caterpillar mechanic, I went over all the work of an unknown bicycle mechanic to check the trustworthy-ness. I did find a couple loose bolts and nuts. But nothing worth complaining over.
    First ride impression: Climbing on this bike was like no other all-mountain bike I've ever ridden. I came off of an Iron Horse 6Point4, so I'm kind of in the dark to try and compare it to anything of recent ages. I experienced a minor amount of front wheel bob when I wasn't concentrating climbing up a half pipe shape sort of trail. I am able to stay in the saddle a lot more when climbing technical rocky areas and can pretty much point and go.
    The decent was what I really got this bike for and I can't say a single negative thing about my experience throughout the decent. Very rocky and technical, some at rather high speed where other bikes are super loud, this was very quiet. The bike was very nimble and responsive, it doesn't bounce around making incredibly easy to maintain your line at speed. I did notice some pedal strikes but I do have it in the Low setting and I have shimano DT pedals on it for now. (until I choose a pedal color based on the color scheme I choose) Overall a great ride up and down the mountain and 10/10 would recommend it to anyone. Can't wait to customize mine and post her up!

    Oh, I also took it to San Juan Creek and it absolutely amazed me coming down, the switchbacks were very rough after the rains and I was able to carry momentum around corners so well that i scraped the bottom fork tubes on numerous occasions. Not only does it handle high speed decent but it corners very well. I have yet to take to anything with big hits or drops yet. But will update if anything pops up. Thanks for all the help and info. so far guys! Happy Trails
    you want a factory, performance? fit4, grip2? you need to be a bit more specifc about fork, but in the end to keep as close as possible to the oem lyrik you want a 150mm / 44 offset. if you you want their high end grip2 I think you have to buy a 160mm and then decide if you want to keep or replace the air shaft to 150mm because I think there is no 150mm/grip2.

    Iíve been using a Chris King Dropset (1 or 3 will work) headset and itís been perfect, but itís a little tricky to get the griplock to sit perfectly the way it should, but Iíd definitely buy again!

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    oooh tricky, its a different place thank you!

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    Hey now

    Thank you, I realized I didnít specify that Iíd like the new Grip2 Fox Float set. I think I found what I was looking for. I had just found a set for 400 and panicked that Iíd need to buy before it was gone, but unfortunately it wound up being the old modeL
    Thanks for the headset suggestions, being a moto guy I MUST have renthal bars

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerzc View Post
    Thank you, I realized I didnít specify that Iíd like the new Grip2 Fox Float set. I think I found what I was looking for. I had just found a set for 400 and panicked that Iíd need to buy before it was gone, but unfortunately it wound up being the old modeL
    Thanks for the headset suggestions, being a moto guy I MUST have renthal bars
    I bought the Factory 150: 36 FLOAT 29 150 FIT4 Factory, black Fox Code 910-20-705

    I'm effectively the same size as you and have the Fatbar and King dropset 3. Great stuff. I've had a few King sets and key to getting the GripLock to go for me was a touch of grease of the bearing surfaces that contact; they can be a bit grabby if not and then don't quite settle properly when setting preload.

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    Has anyone tried both high and low settings? Care to share your experience with how the super deluxe feels? I am having my lbs install a 160 air shaft and 170mm carbon cranks to help with pedal strikes on my XL (high setting) and wondering if I should just keep in in high or if low makes the shock ramp up or make it more progressive? Thanks.

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    Have not tried both. I just run the low setting which is recommended by SC. There is an article on the Megatower Suspension on PB where they suggest running in high setting and not to much SAG. But the MT is more progressive so low is fine i think with the Hightower. I have 175 Cranks in low but not too many rocks in my area. It has been fine so far. 170 and low setting will be no Problem. The RS Deluxe is great but i never tried Fox so what do I know. Feels super supple due to the Bearing in lower shock mount.

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    Theres a bunch of posts in this thread about low vs high setting.

    TLDR: high is more "poppy" but also more likely to bottom out. Slightly higher up.
    low is more progressive, less "pop", less likely to bottom out.

    Because of this many have installed the MegNeg on the super deluxe, which achieves the same "poppy" feeling on high, but without bottoming out as easily. Note that I only feel the difference going downhill, not up. I felt the low vs high setting was much more interesting than on the original HT.

    I end up using the low setting for more aggressive trails ("enduro"), and high for easier trails because its more fun ("trail")

    Finally, the super deluxe feels super smooth to me, even smoother with megneg, either are much smoother/better than my fox float dps on the original HT and the suspension works better in all conditions (pedaling, mid stroke, drops, everything).
    Have not tried a DPX2 on the HT2, but I did read that the DPX2 was "better" unless you installed the megneg. Take that with a grain of salt, i dont even remember where i saw this - but I'm guessing its true.

    Of course, your own mileage will vary.

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    Has anybody tried a Cane Creek DB inline coil shock? Experiences?
    Is the progression of the frame suitable for a coil?

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    According to the Linkage Design website, the leverage progression is a straight line from 3.06-2.32, which is around 30%. Should be plenty of progression to run a coil.

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    Took this home today. My new buddy bike which I own for all my friends to ride.

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    Bike shop in SoCal said these guys have been on backorder, anybody know when they'll be back in stock?? Or is that a bike shop specific thing?? (Specifically Aluminum R build, but I don't think they have any in the shop rn)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JA15 View Post
    Bike shop in SoCal said these guys have been on backorder, anybody know when they'll be back in stock?? Or is that a bike shop specific thing?? (Specifically Aluminum R build, but I don't think they have any in the shop rn)
    what color? quick search and I found a Blue M online ready to ship.

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    The Path bike shop in Tustin usually has them in stock, if not the owner Tani seems to get them quickly regardless. Good luck with the hunt.

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    Here some detail info regarding ck threadfit and sram dub bb that I wish I had before





    Clearance is definitely more on the safer side, I still want to check the sram bb in the hi position and compare that with the ck in the low position

    ck bb is 50.55mm diameter and sram dub is 45.60 so almost 5mm difference which would result in ~2.5mm in clearance with the swing arm
    Great info thanks. I'm planning a HT v2 build myself and was planning to use a CK BB. I'm now looking for alternatives such as Wheels Manufacturing, Hope, Rotor or Kogel. I'm not sure what the diameters of these BB's are and whether they would have a similar clearance issue?

    What are others using other than RF and SRAM.

    Cheers

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    I think Jenson in Corona has a Medium or Large in the Desert Brown. I forget if it was Carbon or Aluminum though

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    Good job!

    I did some digging around and some other 46mm OD BB's same as the SRAM DUB and Race Face Cinch are the Rotor BSA30 and Kogel BSA30. These all use the Park Tool BBT-79 socket.

    Also the Wheels Manufacturing BSA30 BB may work, it has a 48.5mm OD (same as Shimano BB's) and uses a proprietary tool.

    I will keep looking there might be more out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal-Cracker View Post
    Just placed an order for a CC frame with my LBS.

    In the meantime, I'm trying to source a 150mm Lyric Ultimate in Black.
    Are these impossible to locate online? I can only find either Red or 160mm.



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    Not sure if you've made any progress. But FYI, I'll have a black Lyrik 150mm for sale in a week or two! I will actually have the 160mm upgrade as well if you'd be interested. I only have 3 rides on mine.

    I have the 2020 Fox Float 36, Factory Kashima, 29", GRIP2, 15x110, Shiny Orange coming in the mail. Hoping I chose the correct fitment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by racerzc View Post
    Not sure if you've made any progress. But FYI, I'll have a black Lyrik 150mm for sale in a week or two! I will actually have the 160mm upgrade as well if you'd be interested. I only have 3 rides on mine.

    I have the 2020 Fox Float 36, Factory Kashima, 29", GRIP2, 15x110, Shiny Orange coming in the mail. Hoping I chose the correct fitment.
    Thank you for the offer, but I bought a 160mm Lyrik/Ultimate last month.


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    Has anyone tried a 210mm Reverb or One-Up dropper in a large frame? Can it be "slammed" in the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imagesforsegways View Post
    Has anyone tried a 210mm Reverb or One-Up dropper in a large frame? Can it be "slammed" in the frame?
    I can only talk for AL version, my large can exactly slam a 180 oneup, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imagesforsegways View Post
    Has anyone tried a 210mm Reverb or One-Up dropper in a large frame? Can it be "slammed" in the frame?
    I actually just checked this on a demo Large CC frame this past weekend. A 175mm V2 Reverb Stealth can be almost slammed with about 2mm showing. So a 210mm Reverb definitely cannot be slammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lzmtbkr View Post
    I can only talk for AL version, my large can exactly slam a 180 oneup, nothing more.
    A related question is, at full bottom out, does the rear wheel come close to the slammed saddle?

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    Speaking of slammed saddles and bottom out, I experienced something that has not happened to me before. I got my butt buzzed pretty good by the rear wheel on a drop that was not that big. The HT is my first 29er, never happened on my 27.5. Anyone else experience this? Got my attention big time, glad I had the lower profile knobs on the Aggressor instead of the DHR II, that might cause some damage if you know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastline View Post
    Speaking of slammed saddles and bottom out, I experienced something that has not happened to me before. I got my butt buzzed pretty good by the rear wheel on a drop that was not that big. The HT is my first 29er, never happened on my 27.5. Anyone else experience this? Got my attention big time, glad I had the lower profile knobs on the Aggressor instead of the DHR II, that might cause some damage if you know what I mean.

    Haha I know what you mean. I used to buzz the biffin quite a bit on my HT V1, but I haven't done it on the HT2. I feel its due to the extra length (of the bike) and the slacker HTA, I am more centred on the bike. I don't feel the need to hang off the bike as much on steep drops etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastline View Post
    Speaking of slammed saddles and bottom out, I experienced something that has not happened to me before. I got my butt buzzed pretty good by the rear wheel on a drop that was not that big. The HT is my first 29er, never happened on my 27.5. Anyone else experience this? Got my attention big time, glad I had the lower profile knobs on the Aggressor instead of the DHR II, that might cause some damage if you know what I mean.
    Welcome to the 29ner club man. LOL I have a 29.5 inseam so trust me, I know the feeling but this isn't outside of the ordinary every once in a while. Take a look at the shorts of these WC DH riders after a few runs on the steeps with 29's. Tire tracks all over the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastline View Post
    Speaking of slammed saddles and bottom out, I experienced something that has not happened to me before. I got my butt buzzed pretty good by the rear wheel on a drop that was not that big. The HT is my first 29er, never happened on my 27.5. Anyone else experience this? Got my attention big time, glad I had the lower profile knobs on the Aggressor instead of the DHR II, that might cause some damage if you know what I mean.
    Meh...
    I buzz my crack all the time on my 27.5 DH bike. Maybe tweak your thinking that it's you getting after it vs it's something not right...?

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    Sorry if this has been hashed out already, but what's the consensus on running a 51 offset fork on the new HT V2? I may be getting an XL HT V2 and have a 2017 Fox Fit4 160 with 51 offset that I'd like to use.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westeast View Post
    Sorry if this has been hashed out already, but what's the consensus on running a 51 offset fork on the new HT V2? I may be getting an XL HT V2 and have a 2017 Fox Fit4 160 with 51 offset that I'd like to use.

    Thanks.
    Not sure about running a 51 offset, haven't tried. But you can buy a reduced offset CSU for the 36 from WW Cyclery for $275 (with the black stanchions). This is what I wound up doing to bring my grip2 36 from my V1 to the V2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdt0012 View Post
    Not sure about running a 51 offset, haven't tried.
    I think I read a few posts prior about someone getting the Grip2 160mm with a 51mm offset.

    But wouldn't that make BB closer to contact with ground? Would running Flip in High compensate, therefore elongating travel equally between front and rear?
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    I sent a message to Santa Cruz in which I asked whether a CaneCreek DB IL Coil shock would work / is recommended in the Hightower V2.
    This is the answer I got from SC.



    "Thanks for reaching out and those are all great questions. I've spoken with our engineers about this and they have told me that the Hightower V2 is not coil shock compatible. I have seen people do it, however, I've been told that it rubs the paint on the inside of the shock tunnel and I would imagine it would void the warranty. In addition to clearance issues, the leverage curve is regressive at the end of the stroke to offset the progressivity of an air shock. That would lead to some harsh bottom outs. If you're going to run any coil, and again, we wouldn't recommend that you do, I'd recommend a progressive spring.

    Best,"



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    Quote Originally Posted by tobionassis View Post
    I sent a message to Santa Cruz in which I asked whether a CaneCreek DB IL Coil shock would work / is recommended in the Hightower V2.
    This is the answer I got from SC.



    "Thanks for reaching out and those are all great questions. I've spoken with our engineers about this and they have told me that the Hightower V2 is not coil shock compatible. I have seen people do it, however, I've been told that it rubs the paint on the inside of the shock tunnel and I would imagine it would void the warranty. In addition to clearance issues, the leverage curve is regressive at the end of the stroke to offset the progressivity of an air shock. That would lead to some harsh bottom outs. If you're going to run any coil, and again, we wouldn't recommend that you do, I'd recommend a progressive spring.

    Best,"



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    You should also ask Cane Creek. I know, the TB V4 shock tunnel is few mm wider than HT V2 though...
    I got this answer when I asked about the Tallboy V4 and DB IL Coil.

    "The DBcoil IL would be great for that bike. And I'm not just saying that because it's the only shock we have that fits it, but it actually is a very*progressive leverage curve*so it is a perfect candidate*for a coil.


    As for over-stroking it, we don't have any official confirmation from Santa Cruz and we don't promote using unconfirmed shock sizes. That said, if you went 190x50 you would add 13mm of travel. But conveniently enough, you can actually have both stroke lengths. The 45mm variant is just a 190x50 with a 5mm stoke reducer clip that sits under the bottom out bumper. So order the 190x45, pop that clip off, mount up the shock without a spring on it and you can check for clearance with that longer stroke. If it doesn't work, pop the clip back on and run it as a 45mm."

    I will be running a longer stroke shock on my TB4, making it 134mm rear. There is enough clearance for it. Just an idea for those who wanted the HT to stay at 135mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobionassis View Post
    I sent a message to Santa Cruz in which I asked whether a CaneCreek DB IL Coil shock would work / is recommended in the Hightower V2.
    This is the answer I got from SC.



    "Thanks for reaching out and those are all great questions. I've spoken with our engineers about this and they have told me that the Hightower V2 is not coil shock compatible. I have seen people do it, however, I've been told that it rubs the paint on the inside of the shock tunnel and I would imagine it would void the warranty. In addition to clearance issues, the leverage curve is regressive at the end of the stroke to offset the progressivity of an air shock. That would lead to some harsh bottom outs. If you're going to run any coil, and again, we wouldn't recommend that you do, I'd recommend a progressive spring.

    Best,"



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    Here's the Hightower leverage curve. Doesn't look to have any regression in its stroke.
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    It was me that is running the 51mm offset. The fork is off of my 2018 HTLT, and I threw the Grip 2 in it. Size medium though. I guess its one of those ďyou donít know, what you donít knowĒ things, because the bike absolutely rips. I havenít had any geo issues and I am running my OG 175mm cranks. Whatever works man....
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    Quote Originally Posted by racerzc View Post
    Thanks chuch, thatís +9mm to the original offset. If I go off my Lyrik fork, but I have an XL C frame.

    Greater offset: More stability at speed, less nimbleness throughout berms and cornering etc...
    This is incorrect. You gain stability at speed with shorter offset forks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JA15 View Post
    Bike shop in SoCal said these guys have been on backorder, anybody know when they'll be back in stock?? Or is that a bike shop specific thing?? (Specifically Aluminum R build, but I don't think they have any in the shop rn)
    Not sure about backorder, but my LBS has had major problems contacting SC as apparently their dealer portal is down for maintenance for an extended period so I imagine most dealers are struggling to get any info from SC re inventory and orders right now.

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    For those of you who have installed MegNeg, it'd be great to hear how people are going? Are you enjoying it and what configuration have you settled on.

    I'm currently running zero positive tokens (I ran 2 tokens with debonair can) and yesterday I tried 4 bands in the negative chamber which I quite liked. I tried 3 bands before that. I went to 4 bands to see if it would use full travel easier. But I found that my initial pressure didn't change much between 3 and 4 bands to achieve sag so bottom out was relatively unchanged.

    I did feel that 4 bands is more 'poppy' and three bands is more 'groundhuggy' to use a Bike Mag term. My pressure has gone up from 190psi to 220psi (222psi with 3 bands) at 30% sag. My weight is 78kg (172 libs for the yanks).

    The HT linkage certainly feels progressive. Even with zero positive tokens I only manage to achieve full compression off pretty long jumps to flat. When I ride trails where I used to always use full travel, I'm now seeing a good chunk of travel unused. It's quite an adjustment to get your head around. Even though I'm not using as much travel, the bike feels smooth, it's definitely keeping its shape in corners and g-outs better, I find pumping generates more speed. It feels quicker over rocks, it seems to get hung up less.

    I do think that MegNeg has taken a slight edge off the HT climbing ability, I noticing a tiny bit of extra pedal bob when seated pedalling.

    Overall though, there is a lot to like about the supportive mid-stroke and smooth composure. I'm looking forward to more riding and experimenting.

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    Thinking about doing a custom 2020 Hightower build. Anything I'm missing? Critiques?

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    Wheels are narrow at 23mm internal, but I already own them.
    Not sure if Dissector is a good front tire, might go w/ DHR II instead.

    Frame price is 5% off plus tax and shipping. Rest is online prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balake777 View Post
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    Wheels are narrow at 23mm internal, but I already own them.
    Not sure if Dissector is a good front tire, might go w/ DHR II instead.

    Frame price is 5% off plus tax and shipping. Rest is online prices.
    Brake mount adapters - careful with that front one too, not sure how a standard SRAM one will go with a 203mm rotor - you may need to shim it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balake777 View Post
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    Wheels are narrow at 23mm internal, but I already own them.
    Not sure if Dissector is a good front tire, might go w/ DHR II instead.

    Frame price is 5% off plus tax and shipping. Rest is online prices.
    I went full XT too after using SRAM for years. Can't wait to get it going.

    Has anyone put the 2.4 WT Maxxis on their HT? I was going to go that route and was curious about rear chainstay clearance.
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    You should be GOOD VTSession.
    I'm using a 2.4WT / 30mm rim on my OG Hightower without issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obiwun View Post
    For those of you who have installed MegNeg, it'd be great to hear how people are going? Are you enjoying it and what configuration have you settled on.

    I'm currently running zero positive tokens (I ran 2 tokens with debonair can) and yesterday I tried 4 bands in the negative chamber which I quite liked. I tried 3 bands before that. I went to 4 bands to see if it would use full travel easier. But I found that my initial pressure didn't change much between 3 and 4 bands to achieve sag so bottom out was relatively unchanged.

    I did feel that 4 bands is more 'poppy' and three bands is more 'groundhuggy' to use a Bike Mag term. My pressure has gone up from 190psi to 220psi (222psi with 3 bands) at 30% sag. My weight is 78kg (172 libs for the yanks).

    The HT linkage certainly feels progressive. Even with zero positive tokens I only manage to achieve full compression off pretty long jumps to flat. When I ride trails where I used to always use full travel, I'm now seeing a good chunk of travel unused. It's quite an adjustment to get your head around. Even though I'm not using as much travel, the bike feels smooth, it's definitely keeping its shape in corners and g-outs better, I find pumping generates more speed. It feels quicker over rocks, it seems to get hung up less.

    I do think that MegNeg has taken a slight edge off the HT climbing ability, I noticing a tiny bit of extra pedal bob when seated pedalling.

    Overall though, there is a lot to like about the supportive mid-stroke and smooth composure. I'm looking forward to more riding and experimenting.
    Well, I owe a bit of a review myself. I am 178 nekked, probably another 10 kitted up, on a size medium. I went with zero spacers (removed the only single) in the positive chamber and 2 bands in the negative chamber.

    Before:175psi After:245 (31 ish pct sag)

    Interestingly enough the findings thus far are almost contradictory at points. Here are some things I notice with the change. It sits taller in its travel. Mid stroke support is higher thus prividing a way "poppier" vibe. I have better small bump comliance, and less chatter/harshness through out, bigger hits feel more bottomless and plusher, the bike feels more progressive, and the shock feels smoother. There also seems to be an almost imaginary feeling of the shock feeling damped in a higher quality fashion, if that makes any sense. It seems to have magically gotten better in nearly every direction.

    I put the bike through some shuttle work this weekend and at times the rear end felt like it was hovering and it was the first time I had really ever felt that on the rear of a bike. In that top half of travel the bike is just really performing well all the way around with suppleness and traction galore. It's also sitting higher in that space so at 140mm it is better prepared for bigger hits. I was scoring about 88 on my shockwiz on three different runs, and mostly it was asking me to remove high speed compression, which I dont have a dial for. When I got into trouble or big chunky stuff, it made the 140mm rear end feel so damn good. (I'm comparing to an older Capra 27, 3 stumpies, and 2 HTLT's)

    On climbing I am not experiencing any additional pedal bob, but the rear end is still extremely/more so active than before. The HT is FINALLY making roots and stuff disappear while climbing, very similarly to my old Horst link Stumpies. Very supple with more traction on the climb. Flat pedals feel almost XC ish. Again, more support, but more supple...somehow. Usually it seems I am tuning out one of those to get the other.

    Overall, the Super Deluxe ultimate was pretty rad, but with this thing it really does change the bike. I guess I could mess with it a bit more, but after this weekend I am at the "screw it" phase......and I am THE tinkerer of my crew. That says a lot. If you are considering the $80 upgrade and any of the above sounds good to you, just do it.

    I wish I had more time to put my thoughts together a bit more clearly for you guys, but if you have any specific questions, just say the word.
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    So I bought my Hightower back in October and noticed there is a thin film of what looks like oil on the shock stanchion occasionally. Is this normal? This is the first bike I have had that has rockshox suspension and didnít know if that was normal for the brand? Thanks for any information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8USMC View Post
    So I bought my Hightower back in October and noticed there is a thin film of what looks like oil on the shock stanchion occasionally. Is this normal? This is the first bike I have had that has rockshox suspension and didnít know if that was normal for the brand? Thanks for any information!
    Thatís normal. Likely easier to see because it is new and black. If you get an actual droplet, then you need to open up the shock and replace the seals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    Has anyone put the 2.4 WT Maxxis on their HT? I was going to go that route and was curious about rear chainstay clearance.
    dissector 2.4 on 30mm wheels and no issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by balake777 View Post
    Thinking about doing a custom 2020 Hightower build. Anything I'm missing? Critiques?

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    Not sure if Dissector is a good front tire, might go w/ DHR II instead.

    Frame price is 5% off plus tax and shipping. Rest is online prices.
    Looks great, why not go with the XT M8120 4 pot. brakes over the SRAM RSC?
    They actualy cost a little les too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuch View Post
    Well, I owe a bit of a review myself. I am 178 nekked, probably another 10 kitted up, on a size medium. I went with zero spacers (removed the only single) in the positive chamber and 2 bands in the negative chamber.

    Before:175psi After:245 (31 ish pct sag)

    .
    i'm the same weight but size L, otherwise i'd echo pretty much the same feedback with the megneg installed, if that helps. Definitely have to go pretty high up in pressure compared to before for things to not feel sluggish. I also run 2 bands in the negative chamber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    dissector 2.4 on 30mm wheels and no issues
    Can even go 2.5 Agressor with no issues as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Can even go 2.5 Agressor with no issues as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    I wouldnít try that. Everything I have read/seen about mulleting a bike says that itís best done with a 27.5 bike specd with a larger front fork. If you do it to a 29er you drop the bb too low and you have too long of chain stays to really make a difference on the back end.

    If you have a wheel, throw it on.

    I don't have the HT2 so i cannot try! but anyway watching the video from pinkbike it will affect the head angle by 1.5degree and the lowering the bb by 12mm, so it will go to 64 degrees HA and to 75.5 SA and the bb to 332mm that is low about the Stumpy evo in High position. Considering that is a 140mm bike it can be nice. The chainstay of the HT2 is 4mm longer of the nomad/bronson so very good. the reach will shorten about 10 i think.
    I'm sure is a good bike to try mullet setup, expecially indicated for park ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modulus View Post
    Great info thanks. I'm planning a HT v2 build myself and was planning to use a CK BB. I'm now looking for alternatives such as Wheels Manufacturing, Hope, Rotor or Kogel. I'm not sure what the diameters of these BB's are and whether they would have a similar clearance issue?

    What are others using other than RF and SRAM.

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    So has anyone used a 30mm Chris King bottom bracket with luck?

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    Thanks, that helps. I really liked the feel of the lower link vpp and was hoping a Medium would be perfect but I think it is worth it to try the Small.
    Quote Originally Posted by LCW View Post
    FYI Iím running it with a 50mm stem and 170 cranks. Your best bet is to try and demo both sizes. A lot of it is personal preference and riding style.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctw55 View Post
    So has anyone used a 30mm Chris King bottom bracket with luck?
    It will not fit in the high position, you can maybe make it work in the low, but testing fit it was just too close to the swing arm for me to be confident running it. if you look back you can check some pictures I posted.

    anyone tried the new CaneCreek BB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctw55 View Post
    So has anyone used a 30mm Chris King bottom bracket with luck?
    Yes. Thread fit 30 with dub adapter. Works great and is beautiful!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinbend View Post
    Yes. Thread fit 30 with dub adapter. Works great and is beautiful!


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    Iíve run it in Hi and Lo. Installed by LBS


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesher123 View Post
    Looks great, why not go with the XT M8120 4 pot. brakes over the SRAM RSC?
    They actualy cost a little les too.
    I've heard a couple reviews where they say the xt m8120 brakes have wondering bite points and less modulation than sram. Code RSC have great power, modulation, and are known for their consistent bite points. Not a huge increase in price considering.
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    Iíve run it in Hi and Lo. Installed by LBS


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    ck 30mm touches the swing arm in the hi position at least on my frame it touches, if yours doesnít then our frames are somehow not exactly the same

    this is in the lo position, swing arm will be lower in the hi position and touch the bb





    can you post some closeup pictures of your bb / swing arm area? given what you said our bikes have to be somehow different. I hated that I had to return the bb and use sram dub instead, but even in the lo position wasnít enough clearance for me to be confident and ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    anyone tried the new CaneCreek BB?
    I think I can answer my own question, cane creek bb uses the same bb tool as the sram dub bb so it definitely works on the hightower

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    ck 30mm touches the swing arm in the hi position at least on my frame it touches, if yours doesnít then our frames are somehow not exactly the same

    this is in the lo position, swing arm will be lower in the hi position and touch the bb





    can you post some closeup pictures of your bb / swing arm area? given what you said our bikes have to be somehow different. I hated that I had to return the bb and use sram dub instead, but even in the lo position wasnít enough clearance for me to be confident and ride
    Canít explain it. Mine is XXL. Here is photo in low position


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinbend View Post
    Canít explain it. Mine is XXL. Here is photo in low position


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    you have a good point, my frame is a M so yours likely have better clearance thatís just enough to run the CK BB! Lucky you!

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    Sorry if this has been hashed out already, but what's the consensus on running a 51 offset fork on the new HT V2? I may be getting an XL HT V2 and have a 2017 Fox Fit4 160 with 51 offset that I'd like to use.

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    I ran my HT V2 with Pike 150 w/51 offset from my previous HT V1 for almost 2 months before getting the Lyrik w/42 offset. 51 offset wasnít bad at all, but noticed the change right away, especially on the DHís. Bike tracked more precise and better to the ground. Just felt a bit better and right for the bike. The bigger offset makes the front end feel a bit floppier in comparison. Still works fine, but shorter offset better on that bike I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesher123 View Post
    Looks great, why not go with the XT M8120 4 pot. brakes over the SRAM RSC?
    They actualy cost a little les too.
    Ask for a discount. I dont know how it is in other places but in here in germany almost no one pays 3500 for a SC frame. I payed 5860 for Hightowre X01 build. My brother got a tallboy for 2550. I know a guy who payed 2600 for a Nomad CC frame. Maybe because it is winter..

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    Anyone want the wheels or fork off of a Large CC XO1 build? New and unused.
    Sending pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    you have a good point, my frame is a M so yours likely have better clearance thatís just enough to run the CK BB! Lucky you!
    Makes sense! S-XL all run the same chain stay length while the XXL is 5mm longer by offsetting the lower front triangle pivot backwards.

    In saying that, you could run the Cascade Components lower link to increase chain stay length and CK clearance...if you really wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    Makes sense! S-XL all run the same chain stay length while the XXL is 5mm longer by offsetting the lower front triangle pivot backwards.

    In saying that, you could run the Cascade Components lower link to increase chain stay length and CK clearance...if you really wanted to.
    Such as the Bronson LT link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldchiller View Post
    Ask for a discount. I dont know how it is in other places but in here in germany almost no one pays 3500 for a SC frame. I payed 5860 for Hightowre X01 build. My brother got a tallboy for 2550. I know a guy who payed 2600 for a Nomad CC frame. Maybe because it is winter..
    You always mention your great deal....I bought a HTv2 CC X01 build as well and paid much, much much less than what you did at LBS. Germany as well. Most guys here are from the US I guess and I donīt think that anybody actually pays the price on the pricetag there as well.
    Nevertheless, even with a big discount it is a pricey bike

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    Hi all

    I'd appreciate some input concerning groupsets. Production delays "force" me to take XTR Reserve instead of a X01, meaning tha all my bike infra that has been SRAM-based ain't working anymore (lot's of wheelsets, tools, bleed kits etc.). I'm strongly considering switching XTR to X01, but is there any reason not to do so? I know nothing about new Shimano, as I've been riding with SRAM more than 10 years now.

    Some more specific questions popping to my mind are:

    -Does shimano XTR-switcher work thumb-only manner as SRAM does?
    -Can you get XD-freehub to i9 Hydra that come with HT2 XTR?
    -or, as an alternative, can I install that new XTR cassette to normal Shimano Hope 4 pro freehub (I have one that came with the wheelset)?
    -Can I use avid brake discs with XTR brakes?

    Thanks for all input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    Can't help with exact dimensions but the Large complete build comes with a 170 Reverb as standard that can be slammed.

    I also have a slammed 185 Revive on my XL frame.
    for what its worth i cannot slam the fox transfer 175mm with internal routing. its pretty good though, almost all the way to the bottom before the port hits the frame. This is an L C frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctw55 View Post
    Such as the Bronson LT link?
    Cascade has mentioned theyíre coming out with a Hightower2 link.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.T View Post
    Hi all

    I'd appreciate some input concerning groupsets. Production delays "force" me to take XTR Reserve instead of a X01, meaning tha all my bike infra that has been SRAM-based ain't working anymore (lot's of wheelsets, tools, bleed kits etc.). I'm strongly considering switching XTR to X01, but is there any reason not to do so? I know nothing about new Shimano, as I've been riding with SRAM more than 10 years now.

    Some more specific questions popping to my mind are:

    -Does shimano XTR-switcher work thumb-only manner as SRAM does?
    -Can you get XD-freehub to i9 Hydra that come with HT2 XTR?
    -or, as an alternative, can I install that new XTR cassette to normal Shimano Hope 4 pro freehub (I have one that came with the wheelset)?
    -Can I use avid brake discs with XTR brakes?

    Thanks for all input!
    I'm not an expert did a bunch of research because I went with XT 12 spd on my HT2 build.

    The 12 speed Shimano shifter can be used "thumb only." You can up shift by pulling with your index finger or pushing with your thumb.

    I9 was one of the initial companies that Shimano gave their new Microspline hub tech rights to. I imagine you can get a Microspline, XD or HG freehub for an existing i9 hub easily.

    You can use a 12 speed XD cassette/freehub as along as its a 12 speed. You just can't use a 12 spd Shimano cassette unless you swap out for MS freehub.

    As long as the size matches you can probably get away with Avid rotor with Shimano brakes but rotors aren't too pricey so why not get Shimano rotors?
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    Kinda shopping for a new bike now to replace my 160mm 2014 Trance and am eyeing 29ers with current geometry. What are the limits of the 140mm rear travel on the HT2? Can it handle the occasional park day? I know the new geometry lends itself to be more downhill oriented compared to older models but if the geometry is so similar to the Megatower then the 140mm rear on the HT2 must be the limiting factor for riding bigger features. I don't ride fast at the moment but lately have been trying to push myself to ride faster because it is FUN! Coming from a BMX background, I definitely enjoy jumping and doing drops too along with the occasional 30 mile XC ride.

    From what I've read thus far, the Megatower is more built for racing and going full bore all the time. I don't see myself there at the moment but could see myself there if I keep progressing like I have been.

    Definitely planning to demo as many bikes as I can before purchasing, the HT2 and MT are on that list for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdreynolds7 View Post
    Kinda shopping for a new bike now to replace my 160mm 2014 Trance and am eyeing 29ers with current geometry. What are the limits of the 140mm rear travel on the HT2? Can it handle the occasional park day? I know the new geometry lends itself to be more downhill oriented compared to older models but if the geometry is so similar to the Megatower then the 140mm rear on the HT2 must be the limiting factor for riding bigger features. I don't ride fast at the moment but lately have been trying to push myself to ride faster because it is FUN! Coming from a BMX background, I definitely enjoy jumping and doing drops too along with the occasional 30 mile XC ride.

    From what I've read thus far, the Megatower is more built for racing and going full bore all the time. I don't see myself there at the moment but could see myself there if I keep progressing like I have been.

    Definitely planning to demo as many bikes as I can before purchasing, the HT2 and MT are on that list for sure.
    I don't think I would want to do a 30 mile XC ride on a Megatower, the HT2 would be better for that and still handle the bike park.

    If you only want one bike, go HT2 or Ibis Ripmo.
    (I also really liked my Stumpjumper as an all around bike but thinking the HT2 or Ripmo will offer you more.)

    If you plan on having a second bike later for all day or XC riding then maybe the Megatower or the new Spec. Enduro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.T View Post
    Hi all

    I'd appreciate some input concerning groupsets. Production delays "force" me to take XTR Reserve instead of a X01, meaning tha all my bike infra that has been SRAM-based ain't working anymore (lot's of wheelsets, tools, bleed kits etc.). I'm strongly considering switching XTR to X01, but is there any reason not to do so? I know nothing about new Shimano, as I've been riding with SRAM more than 10 years now.

    Some more specific questions popping to my mind are:

    -Does shimano XTR-switcher work thumb-only manner as SRAM does?
    -Can you get XD-freehub to i9 Hydra that come with HT2 XTR?
    -or, as an alternative, can I install that new XTR cassette to normal Shimano Hope 4 pro freehub (I have one that came with the wheelset)?
    -Can I use avid brake discs with XTR brakes?

    Thanks for all input!
    I went with a frame purchase and custom build with new XT. I've been on SRAM since XX came out and here are my comments:
    - shifters are 2-way, so can be thumb only. I find the Shimano has a lighter action than the firm click on SRAM, so it takes 2-3 rides to get used to. SImiilar to how people feel about the firm action of Campy or SRAM vs. Shimano on the road.
    - I'm running a ShimEagle rear wheel given Shimano's myopic decision to not license broadly, so I have CK hubs with an XD driver and Eagle cassette. No issue at all with Shimano chain or shifting, so you could save some money here if you want to go back to SRAM. Shimano finally got with the program and has licensed to more hub makers, and I9 had one since Sept if you want a pure Shimano drivetrain.
    - Can't do a 12sp Shimano casette with prior freehub AFAIK
    - Don't see why rotors will have any issue. I would clean them thoroughly before using with new pads/calipers, however as long as the right mounting hardware is used for the rotor diameter, you should be good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesher123 View Post
    I don't think I would want to do a 30 mile XC ride on a Megatower, the HT2 would be better for that and still handle the bike park.

    If you only want one bike, go HT2 or Ibis Ripmo.
    (I also really liked my Stumpjumper as an all around bike but thinking the HT2 or Ripmo will offer you more.)

    If you plan on having a second bike later for all day or XC riding then maybe the Megatower or the new Spec. Enduro.
    Thanks! Kinda thinking the same myself. Actually now considering the Ripmo AF as well. Definitely like the Shimano drivetrain and coil option...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdreynolds7 View Post
    Thanks! Kinda thinking the same myself. Actually now considering the Ripmo AF as well. Definitely like the Shimano drivetrain and coil option...
    I haven't ridden the Ripmo AF yet but it looks like a great build for a good value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobionassis View Post
    You always mention your great deal....I bought a HTv2 CC X01 build as well and paid much, much much less than what you did at LBS. Germany as well. Most guys here are from the US I guess and I donīt think that anybody actually pays the price on the pricetag there as well.
    Nevertheless, even with a big discount it is a pricey bike
    What shop did you buy at for next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tedh View Post
    I went with a frame purchase and custom build with new XT. I've been on SRAM since XX came out and here are my comments:
    - shifters are 2-way, so can be thumb only. I find the Shimano has a lighter action than the firm click on SRAM, so it takes 2-3 rides to get used to. SImiilar to how people feel about the firm action of Campy or SRAM vs. Shimano on the road.
    - I'm running a ShimEagle rear wheel given Shimano's myopic decision to not license broadly, so I have CK hubs with an XD driver and Eagle cassette. No issue at all with Shimano chain or shifting, so you could save some money here if you want to go back to SRAM. Shimano finally got with the program and has licensed to more hub makers, and I9 had one since Sept if you want a pure Shimano drivetrain.
    - Can't do a 12sp Shimano casette with prior freehub AFAIK
    - Don't see why rotors will have any issue. I would clean them thoroughly before using with new pads/calipers, however as long as the right mounting hardware is used for the rotor diameter, you should be good to go.
    Thanks for the input.

    DT Swiss is offering a changeable micro spline freewheel as a spare part and it should be compatible with normal 240 and 350 hubs.

    My only concern with brake rotors is that Shimano rotors are 203 mm and SRAM/Avid 200 mm. How much this would affect to the contact point of the pads to the rotor? I'm looking for a solution with minimal tinkering, and that preferable would not contain any hassle with changing caliper adapters.

    Otherwise, an ability to use eagle cassette directly is tempting and in that case, I just buy another set of Shimano rotors and use my existing wheelset.

    What I read about XTR is actually making me somewhat excited about this change in direction which I wouldn't have made otherwise.
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    200mm and 203mm rotors are interchangeable

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    I haven't ridden the Ripmo AF yet but it looks like a great build for a good value.
    Compatible with more shocks including coils, a tad more travel than the HT2 but pedals like it has 2" of travel up hill, room for up to 2.6 rear tires, and.... the frame is only 0.85 lbs heavier than a carbon C HT2. The HT2 is an awesome bike though. I almost got one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfr4dr View Post
    Compatible with more shocks including coils, a tad more travel than the HT2 but pedals like it has 2" of travel up hill, room for up to 2.6 rear tires, and.... the frame is only 0.85 lbs heavier than a carbon C HT2. The HT2 is an awesome bike though. I almost got one.
    Makes you wonder how long it will take Ibis to move those changes over to the carbon frame too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfr4dr View Post
    but pedals like it has 2" of travel up hill,.
    people should stop saying that... not a ripmo, not yeti, not any bike. please stop saying a ~6" travel bike climbs like a 2". it must be a pretty shitty 2" bike then! ripmo is a great climber, but it's nowhere near the climber a short travel bike is. same with a ll the people saying the sb100 descends like it has 130mm of travel, no it doesnt it might be better than most 100mm travel same for the ripmo that's better than most 6" travel ikes climbing, but they are not more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    people should stop saying that... not a ripmo, not yeti, not any bike. please stop saying a ~6" travel bike climbs like a 2". it must be a pretty shitty 2" bike then! ripmo is a great climber, but it's nowhere near the climber a short travel bike is. same with a ll the people saying the sb100 descends like it has 130mm of travel, no it doesnt it might be better than most 100mm travel same for the ripmo that's better than most 6" travel ikes climbing, but they are not more than that.
    Youíre right, it actually climbs better than many 2Ē travel bikes!


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    Quote Originally Posted by boubla View Post
    200mm and 203mm rotors are interchangeable
    That's what I would expect too. At worst, you throw in a washer or 2 as a shim or buy both adapters for $20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    people should stop saying that... not a ripmo, not yeti, not any bike. please stop saying a ~6" travel bike climbs like a 2". it must be a pretty shitty 2" bike then! ripmo is a great climber, but it's nowhere near the climber a short travel bike is. same with a ll the people saying the sb100 descends like it has 130mm of travel, no it doesnt it might be better than most 100mm travel same for the ripmo that's better than most 6" travel ikes climbing, but they are not more than that.
    I did not say that it climbs like a 2" bike. I said it PEDALS like a 2" bike. Here's the thing, and I have demo'd a CC XO1 HT2 as well, in regards to pedaling suspension action, not the overall climbing speed, they pedal like they have very little travel on climbs and through obstacles. By that, I mean that, as I climb on my Ripmo and observe the shock and how it reacts, the bike stiffens up and only uses a very small portion of its travel and only to absorb irregularities and smooth out your cadence. As soon as the bike needs to use more travel, it does. Coming from old school 4 bar bikes or a single pivot, it seems magical. Like the bike is ultra efficient and has very little travel when it needs to then instantly has 147mm when it needs to. Oddly enough, the new Bronson and HT2 I demo'd really reminded me of how the Ibis bikes feel in this regard.

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    to me ďpedals up hillĒ = climb. I agree bikes are very efficient for the amount of travel they have, but they are not magical unicorns!

    to say a 6Ē bike ďpedals like it has 2Ē travel up hillĒ is a little bit of exaggeration to me unless you are comparing to a 10 year old xc bike.

    very efficient and good climbers? yes. as good of a climber as a xc race bike? no, and not just because of the weight.

    ripmo is indeed a better climber than the ht2 or sb130, very nimble and agile but itís nowhere near a 2Ē bike (do we even have 2Ē bikes?), it doesnít even climb as good as the ripley in my opinion, or sb100

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqmike View Post
    Makes you wonder how long it will take Ibis to move those changes over to the carbon frame too.
    Or make a Ripley AF, I would like a Ripley AF if it came with a decent shock and fork. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesher123 View Post
    Or make a Ripley AF, I would like a Ripley AF if it came with a decent shock and fork. :-)
    you can still get a frame only, not too bad to get rid of the shock and buy a new one! I think thatís one of the ways they are using to keep the price down a bit so I wouldnít expect more expensive options on the AF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hesher123 View Post
    Or make a Ripley AF, I would like a Ripley AF if it came with a decent shock and fork. :-)
    If they make a Ripley AF that is also only 2 lbs heavier than the carbon, they would sell a ton of them! I'd want it in GX or SLX with a Pike, 30mm wheels and fast rolling tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobionassis View Post
    I sent a message to Santa Cruz in which I asked whether a CaneCreek DB IL Coil shock would work / is recommended in the Hightower V2.
    This is the answer I got from SC.



    "Thanks for reaching out and those are all great questions. I've spoken with our engineers about this and they have told me that the Hightower V2 is not coil shock compatible. I have seen people do it, however, I've been told that it rubs the paint on the inside of the shock tunnel and I would imagine it would void the warranty. In addition to clearance issues, the leverage curve is regressive at the end of the stroke to offset the progressivity of an air shock. That would lead to some harsh bottom outs. If you're going to run any coil, and again, we wouldn't recommend that you do, I'd recommend a progressive spring.

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    Wow, that's a real "safe" answer, but not at all seemingly accurate from my experience. I've been running the DBIL for 2 months. Doesn't come close to rubbing, and definitely don't feel even a hint of regression in the curve at the end of the stroke.

    I read Matt's reply as a "We haven't bothered and we're happy to just keep it that way and cover our ass". That's a shame. I'd like this v2 a whole lot less had I never made the swap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PissGuh View Post
    Wow, that's a real "safe" answer, but not at all seemingly accurate from my experience. I've been running the DBIL for 2 months.

    I'd like this v2 a whole lot less had I never made the swap.

    hey piss, was it a plug and play type install? if not can you give a little insight on whatís needed to get it fitted?

    how long did you have the air shock on the bike before switching? What is most noticeable now that you went to coil? Do you have 160mm up front?

    sorry, very interested in this myself. get this topic back to V2 anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by racerzc View Post
    hey piss, was it a plug and play type install? if not can you give a little insight on whatís needed to get it fitted?

    how long did you have the air shock on the bike before switching? What is most noticeable now that you went to coil? Do you have 160mm up front?

    sorry, very interested in this myself. get this topic back to V2 anyway

    I have a HT2 frame on order plus a MegNeg air can and I als have a DBCoil Inline in the correct size so I'm curious which one's gonna feel best.

    As far as coil clearance, it probably depends a lot on the exact model of coil. The Fox SLS springs in the more lightweight sizes will probably clear easily. My 400lb SLS spring measures less then 50mm in diameter and the shock tunnel as I understand is 2.25" or 57mm wide. Should be more than enough clearance, but I'm planning on putting some helicopter tape on the sides of the tunnel to make sure there's no paint rub with the coil.

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    So what's the consensus on the megneg setup? I picked one up this past week and had my local LBS install it. They went with 4 tokens in the positive chamber and maybe 1 band in the negative chamber. Rode it today and it felt good but I was running about 35% sag and did notice it sag into the travel on steep climbs. Felt good on the downhills but honestly, that could just be that I'm running more sag.

    Anyway... here are my stats

    riding weight: 225lbs
    ride fairly aggressively and will get some small air

    Looking for better small bump compliance. Currently riding in low position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfmtber View Post
    So what's the consensus on the megneg setup? I picked one up this past week and had my local LBS install it. They went with 4 tokens in the positive chamber and maybe 1 band in the negative chamber. Rode it today and it felt good but I was running about 35% sag and did notice it sag into the travel on steep climbs. Felt good on the downhills but honestly, that could just be that I'm running more sag.

    Anyway... here are my stats

    riding weight: 225lbs
    ride fairly aggressively and will get some small air

    Looking for better small bump compliance. Currently riding in low position.
    How much pressure?
    Can you clarify how many bands you have in which chamber? Four in the positive I would suggest is too many to start with and a maybe 1 in the negative is too hard to give advice on.

    I'm 200lbs and with the megneg I had about 245psi, one positive and two negative bands in the low chip position.

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    Those of you running coil shocks - do you feel there is enough progression to avoid regular harsh bottom outs? In the final stages of my build and wondering if I should go Ohlins TTX Coil or TTX Air.

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    I had my 1st ride with the MegNeg yesterday. My riding weight is right around 235. I ran 290 psi, no positive tokens, and 3 bands in the negative. Low position. I ended up at just over 30% sag and it felt really good. Nice small bump compliance and mid-stroke support. I used what I think was about the right amount of travel for the trails I was riding. No bottom outs and no noticeable spiky ramp up near the end of the stroke. I may try adding another negative band to just see what it does but Iím pretty happy as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctw55 View Post
    Those of you running coil shocks - do you feel there is enough progression to avoid regular harsh bottom outs? In the final stages of my build and wondering if I should go Ohlins TTX Coil or TTX Air.
    yes there is enough progression but the only drama is if you are heavy and need a heavier rate coil it may not fit or will rub quite a lot in the tunnel.
    I'm 200lbs and used a 525lb Ohlins spring on a TTX that just cleared and gave me 13mm of sag(30% of wheel travel not shock travel). This shock was a big improvement over the SD with megneg.

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    Howdy. A question on chain guides, for those of you not running one, are dropped chains a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac48 View Post
    How much pressure?
    Can you clarify how many bands you have in which chamber? Four in the positive I would suggest is too many to start with and a maybe 1 in the negative is too hard to give advice on.

    I'm 200lbs and with the megneg I had about 245psi, one positive and two negative bands in the low chip position.
    I would love more posts like this. I'm installing my MegNeg and trying to get everything dialed in and this is super helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modulus View Post
    Howdy. A question on chain guides, for those of you not running one, are dropped chains a problem?
    Not dropped a chain and don't think it ever will. I did put a bash guard on though

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    my HT2 pedals wells, very little saginess unless you get out of the saddle. but its (sadly) a bit slower than my HT1 with the suspension locked going up hill. <= maybe that helps understanding - i agree that marketing and sites like pinbike and bikerumors meme'd this into "oh yeah this downhill bike pedals as good as this gravel bike" (yes im exaggerating on purpose) and this gravel bike can decend A-Line (yeah Yohan can and he breaks it)

    I personally wouldn't like more travel than the HT2, after that you're definitely into the enduro territory, slightly heavier, slightly sluggishier, etc. I like the HT2 and similar bikes because its on the edge of what I'd consider a trail bike without going too far.

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    Hey guys,

    did a quick search thru all seven pages and no one has really done it yet.
    Ive just changed the shaft on mine HT v2 for 160mm.

    Now i really want to take the spacer out to make it 210 x 55 stroke and gain some more travel, they say 147mm to be exact.

    Has anyone done it yet? If i understand the service manual correctly you can basically take off the air can and just "cut" the spacer off the shaft to avoid taking apart whole shock. Im aware that spacer would be wasted than yes.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaci View Post
    Hey guys,

    did a quick search thru all seven pages and no one has really done it yet.
    Ive just changed the shaft on mine HT v2 for 160mm.

    Now i really want to take the spacer out to make it 210 x 55 stroke and gain some more travel, they say 147mm to be exact.

    Has anyone done it yet? If i understand the service manual correctly you can basically take off the air can and just "cut" the spacer off the shaft to avoid taking apart whole shock. Im aware that spacer would be wasted than yes.

    What are your thoughts?
    My first thought is there goes your lifetime warranty.

    Second thought is just get a Megatower?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    My first thought is there goes your lifetime warranty.
    i think they could never ever find out if something would happen. Worst case scanario i would put back the spacer (new one )

    Got an amazing deal on HT.

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    I guess I could understand running 160/140mm, it's a very vogue thing to be that over forked these days. "Everyone's doing it!"


    I do think it's really cool that metric has made it easier to over-shock these bikes and customize your ride. I'm a die-hard bike tinkerer after all. Some companies like Rocky Mountain on the thunderbolt and instinct support it from the factory, and others like yeti, santa cruz, norco, and trek all designed bikes where it was possible to increase the rear travel simply by pulling out a spacer. It's really cool, but I doubt it actually makes a lot of these bikes "better" every time, even if all you wanted to do was race down hill. The thing is, whenever you're going to do this you're shifting the leverage curve in to a territory that often the bike designers didn't plan around. So on some bikes it might work amazing while on others it doesn't make a difference or even makes them worse, with less mid stroke control and an unpredictable end of stroke. Sure, it's only 7mm or whatever, but you gotta remember you're impacting the whole curve, not just the final 5% or so. I'm not saying don't try it (you can always put the spacer back, and it's free!), but there are other considerations when you're doing this.

    For what it's worth, on the handful of bikes I've done this on, I've always preferred the shorter, more controlled rear end, even with the long travel out front.

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    Sorry if this may be a stupid question, but I'm heavily considering a HT for my first full suspension. For mostly self propelled trails, but a few bike park days a year. My issue is no bike shop near me rents out the HT, but a few rent TB's. Would it be worth it to try a TB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by derfernerf View Post
    Sorry if this may be a stupid question, but I'm heavily considering a HT for my first full suspension. For mostly self propelled trails, but a few bike park days a year. My issue is no bike shop near me rents out the HT, but a few rent TB's. Would it be worth it to try a TB?
    probably only for sizing if you are not sure about the size you should be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaci View Post
    Hey guys,

    did a quick search thru all seven pages and no one has really done it yet.
    Ive just changed the shaft on mine HT v2 for 160mm.

    Now i really want to take the spacer out to make it 210 x 55 stroke and gain some more travel, they say 147mm to be exact.

    Has anyone done it yet? If i understand the service manual correctly you can basically take off the air can and just "cut" the spacer off the shaft to avoid taking apart whole shock. Im aware that spacer would be wasted than yes.

    What are your thoughts?
    What shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    probably only for sizing if you are not sure about the size you should be...
    Im 5í11Ē so Iím smack dab in the middle of a Large. I donít think Iíd argue with it. I just didnít know if they rode similar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by j-t-g View Post
    I guess I could understand running 160/140mm, it's a very vogue thing to be that over forked these days. "Everyone's doing it!"


    I do think it's really cool that metric has made it easier to over-shock these bikes and customize your ride. I'm a die-hard bike tinkerer after all. Some companies like Rocky Mountain on the thunderbolt and instinct support it from the factory, and others like yeti, santa cruz, norco, and trek all designed bikes where it was possible to increase the rear travel simply by pulling out a spacer. It's really cool, but I doubt it actually makes a lot of these bikes "better" every time, even if all you wanted to do was race down hill. The thing is, whenever you're going to do this you're shifting the leverage curve in to a territory that often the bike designers didn't plan around. So on some bikes it might work amazing while on others it doesn't make a difference or even makes them worse, with less mid stroke control and an unpredictable end of stroke. Sure, it's only 7mm or whatever, but you gotta remember you're impacting the whole curve, not just the final 5% or so. I'm not saying don't try it (you can always put the spacer back, and it's free!), but there are other considerations when you're doing this.

    For what it's worth, on the handful of bikes I've done this on, I've always preferred the shorter, more controlled rear end, even with the long travel out front.
    If you don't change the air pressure, I don't see how taking out a tiny spacer would negatively affect the shock's behavior. You'd just have more end of stroke "cushion" for absorbing bigger hits without having to ramp up sharper with a volume spacer otherwise.

    One question I had related to this is, the stock shock's shaft markings are probably for a standard 55mm stroke, but it's actually set to 52.5mm from the factory. So if you set up the HT2 with a 30% sag per the markings, are you actually setting it to 16.5mm sag, which is actually 31.5% sag for 52.5mm? 1.5% is not a huge difference, but I like to know these things

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-t-g View Post
    Sure, it's only 7mm or whatever, but you gotta remember you're impacting the whole curve, not just the final 5% or so. I'm not saying don't try it (you can always put the spacer back, and it's free!), but there are other considerations when you're doing this.
    I'm disagreeing with you on this. While I'm no engineer, I'm fairly confident you ARE only affecting the end of the curve by taking the travel spacer out, NOT the whole curve or mid stroke. In order to affect the curve we would have to change pivot locations or lever arms...or even spring rates (which we do play around with quite a bit with volume spacers and MegNeg cans).

    I would be sending Cascade Compnents a message as they actually will be manufacturing a different lower link to boost travel, progression, chainstay length and give the opportunity to run a longer stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaci View Post
    Hey guys,

    did a quick search thru all seven pages and no one has really done it yet.
    Ive just changed the shaft on mine HT v2 for 160mm.

    Now i really want to take the spacer out to make it 210 x 55 stroke and gain some more travel, they say 147mm to be exact.

    Has anyone done it yet? If i understand the service manual correctly you can basically take off the air can and just "cut" the spacer off the shaft to avoid taking apart whole shock. Im aware that spacer would be wasted than yes.

    What are your thoughts?
    To be honest I'd just be patient as I'm sure Cascade Components will release a Hightower lower link at some point as they have with all the other recent Santa Cruz bikes.

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    Thank you guys on your valued opinions.

    @kwapik its super deluxe the stock one you get on C build.

    Yeah cascade is another option, but since im from europe, getting one imported with all the shipping and import duties im looking in at least $300-350, what is an absurd amount, im aware that they dont just boost the travel but make it even better, ratio and curve wise, but i think stock link or HT2 itself is one of the best trail bikes out there right now.

    Ill just try to run 160/140 first, but im really really tempted to remove that spacer to give the 160/147 which might be a really sweet spot for everything as i can only afford one bike it has to be for those bike shuttle trips + a whole day in the saddle pedalling. New rimpo, yeti sb150, new reign all are 147-150mm rear travel and i think SC should really went that path also, but it would be too darn close to the Megatower then i think.

    Sb130 is another good example, so far what ive gathered you can long shock it and you get 137mm with 55mm stroke, actually they do it in factory build with TLR build its factory longed shocked. Very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derfernerf View Post
    Im 5í11Ē so Iím smack dab in the middle of a Large. I donít think Iíd argue with it. I just didnít know if they rode similar.


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    for what its worth im 5'11 and I've a large and its fine, but i have the saddle all the way back and I'd be fine on a XL with more reach (but also harder to move everything around). what i'm saying is there is a bit of a choice you can make there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaci View Post
    Thank you guys on your valued opinions.

    @kwapik its super deluxe the stock one you get on C build.

    Yeah cascade is another option, but since im from europe, getting one imported with all the shipping and import duties im looking in at least $300-350, what is an absurd amount, im aware that they dont just boost the travel but make it even better, ratio and curve wise, but i think stock link or HT2 itself is one of the best trail bikes out there right now.

    Ill just try to run 160/140 first, but im really really tempted to remove that spacer to give the 160/147 which might be a really sweet spot for everything as i can only afford one bike it has to be for those bike shuttle trips + a whole day in the saddle pedalling. New rimpo, yeti sb150, new reign all are 147-150mm rear travel and i think SC should really went that path also, but it would be too darn close to the Megatower then i think.

    Sb130 is another good example, so far what ive gathered you can long shock it and you get 137mm with 55mm stroke, actually they do it in factory build with TLR build its factory longed shocked. Very interesting.
    My Fox Grip2 160mm just came in, so Iíll be testing out the 160/140 combo at Greer Ranch this weekend.
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    Give us an update on how it felt riding with the longer travel.
    What was the reason for getting a Fox and not getting a new airshaft for Lyrik?

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    I had it on order at my local shop, but decided Iíd rather go fox and get the 150 shaft if itís over forked. I love fox stuff, but the reviews of the new 36 alone swayed me enough to satisfy that urge of burning a bigger hole in my pocket. Maybe Iíll GoPro review it in action
    edit: I also have been looking into more travel for rear as well, but leaning towards coil options once a link comes out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaci View Post
    Thank you guys on your valued opinions.

    @kwapik its super deluxe the stock one you get on C build.

    Yeah cascade is another option, but since im from europe, getting one imported with all the shipping and import duties im looking in at least $300-350, what is an absurd amount, im aware that they dont just boost the travel but make it even better, ratio and curve wise, but i think stock link or HT2 itself is one of the best trail bikes out there right now.

    Ill just try to run 160/140 first, but im really really tempted to remove that spacer to give the 160/147 which might be a really sweet spot for everything as i can only afford one bike it has to be for those bike shuttle trips + a whole day in the saddle pedalling. New rimpo, yeti sb150, new reign all are 147-150mm rear travel and i think SC should really went that path also, but it would be too darn close to the Megatower then i think.

    Sb130 is another good example, so far what ive gathered you can long shock it and you get 137mm with 55mm stroke, actually they do it in factory build with TLR build its factory longed shocked. Very interesting.
    Here's what a Rockshox SD spacer looks like:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    Here's what a Rockshox SD spacer looks like:

    Did you remove that from a Hightower V2?
    So all you have to do is open the can and clip it out, so you can still put it back in there later?
    Any experience so far regarding tyre clearance - Do you prefer it with more travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boubla View Post
    for what its worth im 5'11 and I've a large and its fine, but i have the saddle all the way back and I'd be fine on a XL with more reach (but also harder to move everything around). what i'm saying is there is a bit of a choice you can make there.
    I'm 6' 1/4" and felt much more comfortable on the stock XL than the stock L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I'm 6' 1/4" and felt much more comfortable on the stock XL than the stock L.
    Nice! Iím 1,905MM. Comfy on my XL, did get +30mm bars
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    ck 30mm touches the swing arm in the hi position at least on my frame it touches, if yours doesnít then our frames are somehow not exactly the same

    this is in the lo position, swing arm will be lower in the hi position and touch the bb





    can you post some closeup pictures of your bb / swing arm area? given what you said our bikes have to be somehow different. I hated that I had to return the bb and use sram dub instead, but even in the lo position wasnít enough clearance for me to be confident and ride
    Would this be true for shimano 24mm as well? I realize the 24 vs. 30 relates to the spindle diameter so maybe the outside diameter is the same on both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Would this be true for shimano 24mm as well? I realize the 24 vs. 30 relates to the spindle diameter so maybe the outside diameter is the same on both?
    Shimano 24mm will fit without issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobionassis View Post
    Did you remove that from a Hightower V2?
    So all you have to do is open the can and clip it out, so you can still put it back in there later?
    Any experience so far regarding tyre clearance - Do you prefer it with more travel?
    He's showing 2 2.5mm spacers, so that's probably from another shock that had a starting stroke of 50mm to make it into 55mm. But the concept would be the same on the HT2 - you should find just 1 of those 2.5mm spacers to clip out to go from 52.5 to 55mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal-Cracker View Post
    Shimano 24mm will fit without issue.

    Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
    this! not the same bb, threadfit 24 has smaller outside diameter

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    I'm disagreeing with you on this. While I'm no engineer, I'm fairly confident you ARE only affecting the end of the curve by taking the travel spacer out, NOT the whole curve or mid stroke. In order to affect the curve we would have to change pivot locations or lever arms...or even spring rates (which we do play around with quite a bit with volume spacers and MegNeg cans).
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    You're right! I should have explained better. If the only thing that gets changed is that the bike runs slightly more travel, and that's it (EVERYTHING else held PERFECTLY constant) then you can just draw a little line on the end of the curve (and you'd have to guess where it went).

    However, when you make a change like that, things won't be held constant, and thus you're going to shift the curve.

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    I'm no suspension expert, but looking at kwapik's pictures of the travel limiters above, it would seem that removing them would change the following:
    1. Increase the air volume at full extension (ie. 0% stroke) with respect to when the travel limiter is installed.
    2. Increase the air volume at 52.5mm / 140mm travel with respect to when the travel limiter is installed.
    3. With the travel limiter removed, the extra 2.5mm of possible travel probably means the air can volume at full compression / 147mm travel is less than it would be with the travel limiter installed / 140mm.

    The shock psi will probably need to change in order to reset the desired sag, which will affect shock response over the full range of movement. And, the smaller air volume at full travel could mean that the shock pressure really ramps up steeply (pressure being inversely proportional to volume). If you've had to increase shock psi (compared to with the travel limiter installed) to get the right sag, then that ramp up at the end of stroke will be more pronounced - you might never be able to actually use that extra 7mm of travel!

    All speculation of course - although there's no denying that removing the travel limiter will affect air can volume and change the travel/air volume curve for the shock.

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    Went out to Greer Ranch in Murrieta Ca today. Very nice variety of terrain; ranging from jumps, rock gardens of all kinds, berms, etc.. the list goes on. It was my first ride with 160/140 travel combination having just got the Fox 36 Grip 2 for my HT2.
    I enjoyed the performance of my setup a lot, Iíd just been out two weeks prior with my Lyrik installed (tuned to my liking) and I felt that the bike descended even better with the Grip2 fork installed. I noticed even more of a stationary feel over the higher speed rock sections. Felt tracked and confident in corners, Lyrik was 42 offset and Grip2 is 44. 2mm isn't a huge difference, but was also pleased with the performance in that aspect of the fork setup as well. Overall Iím very happy with handling so far, its stability and plush feel it had over the technical rock sections were what stood out most. Will update if anything goes awry!

    Two questions:

    Is oneUp's bash guard only compatible option found so far?

    Solutions to Reverb Dropper Post seal issue, maybe a part number or anything for the repair please? Someone on the trail said it was a pain for him to accomplish on his. Not really seeing how the repair could be worse than a bill for a new post though.









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    As I wait on my frame and the Megneg can I need to ask - in order to change from the standard can to the Megneg can, do you have to take off the Fox roller bearing kit 8x30mm? Also, once the Megneg can is on, are there any issues installing the negative chamber bands over the roller bearing kit? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    As I wait on my frame and the Megneg can I need to ask - in order to change from the standard can to the Megneg can, do you have to take off the Fox roller bearing kit 8x30mm? Also, once the Megneg can is on, are there any issues installing the negative chamber bands over the roller bearing kit? Thanks
    Little confused by the reference to fox roller bearing on the RS super deluxe? But yeah, you have to remove the lower mounting hardware from the shock shaft (just two allen bolts-easy) in order to get the old can off and fit the megneg. After you have the megneg can on, you do not have to remove the lower mounting hardware to add/remove neg bands. You just release air, remove shock, remove one large o-ring from the bottom of the neg can and pop off the sleeve to access the neg bands.

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    why remove the mounting hardware? doesnít the aircan slide over the shaft? you should only have to remove the shock from the bike 2 bolts and thatís it, same for the bands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    why remove the mounting hardware? doesnít the aircan slide over the shaft? you should only have to remove the shock from the bike 2 bolts and thatís it, same for the bands.
    The bearing mount on the end of the shaft is larger in diameter than the shaft itself. The two bolts on the top of the bearing mount must be removed you can slide the air can off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete g View Post
    The bearing mount on the end of the shaft is larger in diameter than the shaft itself. The two bolts on the top of the bearing mount must be removed you can slide the air can off.
    ☝️ exactly-what he said

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    got it!

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    Really wish this bike could clear a 2.6 in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdt0012 View Post
    Little confused by the reference to fox roller bearing on the RS super deluxe? But yeah, you have to remove the lower mounting hardware from the shock shaft (just two allen bolts-easy) in order to get the old can off and fit the megneg.
    Sorry, brain fart about the Fox roller bearing mount. I was reading another post on the Santa Cruz forum and didn't realize they were talking about a totally different shock. Looks like Rockshox designed their bearing mount to be super easy to remove, at least in the configuration that comes on the HT2. The Fox one needs a special tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    Sorry, brain fart about the Fox roller bearing mount. I was reading another post on the Santa Cruz forum and didn't realize they were talking about a totally different shock. Looks like Rockshox designed their bearing mount to be super easy to remove, at least in the configuration that comes on the HT2. The Fox one needs a special tool.
    yeah its just 2 hex bolt to remove. it's really easy altogether. The only delicate part is removing the "gnar" spacer from the positive chamber, if you wish to remove it, without scratching anything.. but even that isn't really difficult to be honest!

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    Let me introduce myself and my bike !

    Hi everyone !

    I'm Chris 40yo i live in France near Paris and i have been reading this thread for a while before i post today. I just built a brand new Hightower large. Coming from a Bronson v3, this 29er gives me so much fun i can't wait to ride it in mountains ! I currently ride my xc trails and i am very satisfied of pedaling efficency and downhill capability ! Weighted at 27.5lbs with pedals

    Full specs here !
    https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/C...cat=Bike+Check

    My dream built



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    Nice build! The Pike, stem and stickers look great! Looks like a Tallboy killer at that weight.

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    I'm still waiting on my XL CC frame. 6-8 week wait I have been told (Australia). Corona virus may have some impact on that timeline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modulus View Post
    I'm still waiting on my XL CC frame. 6-8 week wait I have been told (Australia). Corona virus may have some impact on that timeline?
    I have a XL CC frame for sale in Aus ready to go if you're interested?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty2019 View Post
    I have a XL CC frame for sale in Aus ready to go if you're interested?
    It's priced in with a build, so I probably won't at this stage. Is it the one listed on Rotorburn? Thanks anyway ?

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    26.5 pounds....letís see that puppy on a scale.

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    Have this for my buddies to ride and it's really growing on me, may have to get one in my size.

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    the silver pike looks really nice with the blue frame!

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