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    I think Timberjacks are making their way in! Here is mine with clearance pics, I'm going to see if 29+ will squeeze in with the alternators all the way back. Can't actually ride it yet, waiting for the rear axle.

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    Beautiful bike! Mine is a Charcoal, 27.5+ complete. The only custom part would be my pedals, so far, Straitline De Factos in orange. But... if anybody wants any pictures of any particular part of the stock build, let me know!

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    I ordered my NX1 in early December, and am still waiting for it to come in. Salsa promised delivery before Christmas. My LBS left me a message yesterday saying Salsa would ship next week. Fingers crossed. . .

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    Socrates that looks great! I was supposed to get that frame but things got wacky. How do you like the bike?

    Jwalther I hope it comes soon, I've lost a lot of confidence in QBP to manage and deliver bike shipments, especially because it puts an LBS in a crappy spot.
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    Hey grizzler- did you get your Timberjack in the 29 configuration and then put B+ tires and the Fox fork on it? Just trying to figure out how you got that particular set-up. It looks gorgeous by the way- I love that blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Bear View Post
    Hey grizzler- did you get your Timberjack in the 29 configuration and then put B+ tires and the Fox fork on it? Just trying to figure out how you got that particular set-up. It looks gorgeous by the way- I love that blue.
    I originally ordered the frame in August and expected it October but it kept getting delayed. Earlier this month my LBS called saying the ETA was now spring. So we switched my order to a Karate Monkey.

    The next day he worked out ordering a complete 29er at a good price for him. He kept the build I took the frame.

    Only problem was that the frame came with 135mm plates and reducers. I found some 12x142 plates and now just need the appropriate skewer.

    The blue is definitely much nicer than the photos Salsa provided!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    The blue is definitely much nicer than the photos Salsa provided!
    No doubt- your pictures of it are much more flattering to the paint than Salsa's. Go figure. Beautiful bike you have- very nicely done.
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    i bought the 29 NX version with intentions of tearing it down, selling off the bits and building it up fresh. but now i gotta wait like a schmoe for the boost alternator plates to get restocked. shoulda gone for the plus version off the bat. oh well.

    i did fiddle fart with tire clearance in the back, and was able to fit a 3" tire on a VERY narrow rim with the dropouts moved all the way forward. tire measured at 2.65" on the rim for the test fitting. so i think 29 plus is a definite possibility with this frame.

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    Extremely close to buying this bike. Question: is there a lot of chain slap ? (GX 27.5 plus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by messofzero View Post
    i bought the 29 NX version with intentions of tearing it down, selling off the bits and building it up fresh. but now i gotta wait like a schmoe for the boost alternator plates to get restocked. shoulda gone for the plus version off the bat. oh well.

    i did fiddle fart with tire clearance in the back, and was able to fit a 3" tire on a VERY narrow rim with the dropouts moved all the way forward. tire measured at 2.65" on the rim for the test fitting. so i think 29 plus is a definite possibility with this frame.
    Not that they're any more available, but you get boost spacing with the regular 12x142 plates. If you happen to have a buddy with a set they aren't using like I did. Just need a 180mm axle.

    Good to hear about then 29+ possibility, so would a wider rim fit better with the dropouts all the way back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Extremely close to buying this bike. Question: is there a lot of chain slap ? (GX 27.5 plus).

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    I can't imagine there being anymore than any other bike with a clutch rear derailleur (which is not much). Couldn't tell you from my perspective because I'm running single speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    I can't imagine there being anymore than any other bike with a clutch rear derailleur (which is not much). Couldn't tell you from my perspective because I'm running single speed.
    Thanks, I have an older entry level bike without a clutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Thanks, I have an older entry level bike without a clutch.
    You'll be stoked by the difference for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    Not that they're any more available, but you get boost spacing with the regular 12x142 plates. If you happen to have a buddy with a set they aren't using like I did. Just need a 180mm axle.

    Good to hear about then 29+ possibility, so would a wider rim fit better with the dropouts all the way back?
    yeah the 2.65" tire with the dropouts slammed fit with ease. so i think a true 29 plus on a 40 or 50 in the rear is a definite possibility. gonna get my hands on a wheel for testing tonight, will report back.

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    any chance a 27.5 x 3.8 would fit depending on rear axle location?

    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    Not that they're any more available, but you get boost spacing with the regular 12x142 plates. If you happen to have a buddy with a set they aren't using like I did. Just need a 180mm axle.

    Good to hear about then 29+ possibility, so would a wider rim fit better with the dropouts all the way back?

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    Dumb question here: The internal cable comes out of the top tube (close to the seat) at the spot where my truck mounted bike rack grips the top tube. Do you think this would cause damage to the cable? Would a top tube adaptor pole help this? I never used one. Thanks.

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    The inside corner where the RD/FD cables pop out??
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    If it grabs the corner I would be worried about the housing rubbing the frame and causing cosmetic damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Extremely close to buying this bike. Question: is there a lot of chain slap ? (GX 27.5 plus).

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    The inside corner where the RD/FD cables pop out??
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    If it grabs the corner I would be worried about the housing rubbing the frame and causing cosmetic damage.
    Yes. I guess I would just get one of those top tube adaptors. I don't love these trunk mounted racks but I cannot put a hitch on my car at this time.

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    I had a one before where I could rotate the mount to grab on the top outside corner instead of the inside corner, is that possible for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    I had a one before where I could rotate the mount to grab on the top outside corner instead of the inside corner, is that possible for you?
    I don't think so. Do these top tube adapters work well?

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    Yeah they work fine I wouldn't sweat it. Nice to get the rack mounting points off the frame anyhow.
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    There are a few of these bikes in bike shops in Wisconsin, if anyone here is close to the area.
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    what did she end up weighing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLEKID5 View Post
    what did she end up weighing?
    Just a hair over 27lbs and I should have the axle tomorrow
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    Timberjack Thread

    I finally got to ride it! The ride was only half as rowdy as it could have been though because the rear brake never seemed to bed ( I think I need to clean some contamination) so I was not as willing to push it. Bike felt great, responsive, stable, playful enough. Need a lot more time to familiarize.
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    Coming from my pony rustler it felt familiar. Im going to write my thoughts between the two on the plus forum.
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    Grizzler, bike looks great! Glad you were finally able to get it all together and out and about! I agree that it was pretty stable, though not quite as stable as my Fargo. But, the Fargo is meant for mountain-bike-style touring, so it's pretty darn stable. Timberjack felt more maneuverable than the Fargo, which was good.

    This is my first plus bike, and I'm pretty happy with it! I had a slight twinge of buyer's remorse, but I feel that any time I'm dropping significant money, so that's more about me than the bike.

    I am just running flat pedals, and I like them. I have been using SPDs on my Fargo for a couple years, so hadn't done flats in a while. I'm using the Straitline De Factos recommended to me by Project_Mayhem, and they work great! I feel like my shoes are velcro'd to the pedals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Grizzler, bike looks great! Glad you were finally able to get it all together and out and about! I agree that it was pretty stable, though not quite as stable as my Fargo. But, the Fargo is meant for mountain-bike-style touring, so it's pretty darn stable. Timberjack felt more maneuverable than the Fargo, which was good.

    This is my first plus bike, and I'm pretty happy with it! I had a slight twinge of buyer's remorse, but I feel that any time I'm dropping significant money, so that's more about me than the bike.

    I am just running flat pedals, and I like them. I have been using SPDs on my Fargo for a couple years, so hadn't done flats in a while. I'm using the Straitline De Factos recommended to me by Project_Mayhem, and they work great! I feel like my shoes are velcro'd to the pedals.
    Glad you're enjoying it! I know the feeling of immediate remorse. I have a Fargo too and agree it feels totally different but both are
    big fun. I'm stoked to have a variety of options! The Fargo is the commuter but it still sees some single track.
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    Now I'm hearing from Salsa that my Timberjack frame (Ordered a "frame only" the week they were announced months ago. Was promised I would still receive the frame even though they removed the frame only option several weeks after introduction) are in QC and will be shipped "soon". Was told the week before Christmas the same QC story with a promise of it shipping the week of 1-3-17. Forgive the rant but sick of the BS. 3 promised ship dates have come and gone. A simple honest response should not be too much to ask.

    FYI- All of the feedback was directly from the Salsa Rep or QBP inside sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D24 View Post
    Now I'm hearing from Salsa that my Timberjack frame (Ordered a "frame only" the week they were announced months ago. Was promised I would still receive the frame even though they removed the frame only option several weeks after introduction) are in QC and will be shipped "soon". Was told the week before Christmas the same QC story with a promise of it shipping the week of 1-3-17. Forgive the rant but sick of the BS. 3 promised ship dates have come and gone. A simple honest response should not be too much to ask.

    FYI- All of the feedback was directly from the Salsa Rep or QBP inside sales.
    Rant away. I went through the same thing and my LBS ended up ordering a complete 29er and keeping the build kit. I ended up having to find 142x12 plates and buy a Maxle which put the total cost of the frame up another $70. I hope they make some serious internal changes in the distribution or it will most likely be the last QBP bike I purchase.

    PS I rode my TJ yesterday on a chunky 22 mile with plenty of climbing and descending. The fork seems to broken in now and I got the rear brake to behave. The plus tires were a blast but I was also reminded of why I love my double-squish on some of the messier bits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D24 View Post
    Now I'm hearing from Salsa that my Timberjack frame (Ordered a "frame only" the week they were announced months ago. Was promised I would still receive the frame even though they removed the frame only option several weeks after introduction) are in QC and will be shipped "soon". Was told the week before Christmas the same QC story with a promise of it shipping the week of 1-3-17. Forgive the rant but sick of the BS. 3 promised ship dates have come and gone. A simple honest response should not be too much to ask.

    FYI- All of the feedback was directly from the Salsa Rep or QBP inside sales.
    I am in the same boat! I have been accumulating parts since my order and the only thing missing is the frame at this point. So I am hoping it shows up at my LBS this week.

    ...if not has anyone found any other frames that are boost, internal 30.9 post, 27.5+ and similar geometry that I should consider?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Beautiful bike! Mine is a Charcoal, 27.5+ complete. The only custom part would be my pedals, so far, Straitline De Factos in orange. But... if anybody wants any pictures of any particular part of the stock build, let me know!

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    I pick up my charcoal matte/orange GX1 this weekend.

    Nice pedals you have, mind if I ask the brand? I know Race Face has some orange pedals. I am also deciding whether or not I should step up and finally go clipless.

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    Did you do you own build? Specifically, did you route your rear brake hose, and if so, how did you approach it?

    I've got an XL frame I'm building. The internal routing is annoying me. The exit "port" for the rear brake hose (on the left side of the top tube, near seat tube) is smaller than the "connector bolt" on Shimano brake hoses (the bolt that threads into the lever body trapping the olive on the hose). Which implies I need to not just disconnect my hose and re-bleed to get my brake installed, but must actually cut the hose and do a new insert/olive in order to thread the hose through the frame.

    I can't imagine what Salsa's rationale might have been for not making the "single" ports (as opposed to the "double" ports at the front of the top tube) a tad (1mm) larger so one could fit the hose. I may use my deburring tool to enlarge the port, but am concerned the gasket will then fit loose.

    I know lots of folks like the aesthetics of internal routing, but I find it annoying, especially if you tend to move parts around various bikes. The internal derailleur routing I can deal with, but having to cut hydraulic lines is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    Grizzler
    Did you do you own build? Specifically, did you route your rear brake hose, and if so, how did you approach it?

    I've got an XL frame I'm building. The internal routing is annoying me. The exit "port" for the rear brake hose (on the left side of the top tube, near seat tube) is smaller than the "connector bolt" on Shimano brake hoses (the bolt that threads into the lever body trapping the olive on the hose). Which implies I need to not just disconnect my hose and re-bleed to get my brake installed, but must actually cut the hose and do a new insert/olive in order to thread the hose through the frame.

    I can't imagine what Salsa's rationale might have been for not making the "single" ports (as opposed to the "double" ports at the front of the top tube) a tad (1mm) larger so one could fit the hose. I may use my deburring tool to enlarge the port, but am concerned the gasket will then fit loose.

    I know lots of folks like the aesthetics of internal routing, but I find it annoying, especially if you tend to move parts around various bikes. The internal derailleur routing I can deal with, but having to cut hydraulic lines is ridiculous.
    I did build it myself. For the rear brake I installed the caliper, removed the line from the lever (olive/barb still installed but bolt and boot removed), and ran it through the same ports you described. I cut the line once it was already routed because it was too long.


    There was plenty of space the way I did it. running the dropper line was especially trying but the brake was fine. I would not have had to cut lines if they weren't too long.

    I agree on internal routing mostly sucking!
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    What brakes are you using?

    I was planning to approach it the same way you did: remove hose from lever, and thread the olive/insert end of hose thru the frame from the rear, and sliding the connector bolt along the hose behind the olive. But in preparing, before I removed the hoses, I measured. All my Shimano brakes measure 7.8mm across the wrench flats on the connector bolt (not surprising; they use an 8mm wrench). But the smaller port near the rear of the top tube (your second picture above) measures 7.25mm across. The other single-size ports on my frame also measure 7.25-7.3mm. I know we're talking 0.5mm here (so I can probably press it through??) but I've been hesitant to disconnect the hose from the lever and start poking around, all the while exposing it to air, oil seepage, etc adding to subsequent bleed hassle.

    I'll likely be selling this frame as soon as I do a Baja trip over the next two months, so might just run external housing via zip ties so I don't have to do this twice.

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    XT M8000. Can you not slide the bolt off without taking off the olive? I can't recall because I knew I would have to cut the lines regardless. Might be easiest to zip-tie or have it come out the larger port under the top tube (might be a harsh angle).
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    XT M8000. Can you not slide the bolt off without taking off the olive? I can't recall because I knew I would have to cut the lines regardless. Might be easiest to zip-tie or have it come out the larger port under the top tube (might be a harsh angle).
    Yep, the bolt is "trapped" on the hose by the olive (which it must be: the bolt compresses the olive when fitting). Once cut, you could slide off the bolt, install new insert, route the hose, then slide on bolt and new olive once hose exits the front. It appears this is what you did.

    I'm using brakes that are already cut to length from another bike, so no need to cut. Losing another 15mm from the hose by cutting off the insert/olive isn't a deal breaker for length, but its irritating none-the-less when you think that Salsa could have spec'd an 8.3mm wide port instead of 7.3mm and avoided this dilemma.

    I had the same thought about using the bigger port underneath, but I'll have a framebag there and as you noted the side port is clearly the intended trajectory to the final routing down the seatstay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    Yep, the bolt is "trapped" on the hose by the olive (which it must be: the bolt compresses the olive when fitting). Once cut, you could slide off the bolt, install new insert, route the hose, then slide on bolt and new olive once hose exits the front. It appears this is what you did.

    I'm using brakes that are already cut to length from another bike, so no need to cut. Losing another 15mm from the hose by cutting off the insert/olive isn't a deal breaker for length, but its irritating none-the-less when you think that Salsa could have spec'd an 8.3mm wide port instead of 7.3mm and avoided this dilemma.

    I had the same thought about using the bigger port underneath, but I'll have a framebag there and as you noted the side port is clearly the intended trajectory to the final routing down the seatstay.
    Bummer. Sorry I mis-remembered. Let me know what you end up doing.
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    Sucks to hear about the internal cable routing issues. I hadn't even realized it was an internally routed frame, considering its price point.

    Your build looks great Grizzler, thanks a ton for sharing.

    I pre-ordered a medium red 29er from REI the other day with, like others, the intent of stripping it down to the frame. I called REI and they felt strongly that they will receive stock of the 29ers on or around Jan 24th. The member dividend applies, so after taxes it will be in the $950 range after the dividend. So if anyone wants to get a red 29er, REI may be a good option.

    Considering the lack of alternator dropout availability, I'm considering building up the rear wheel on a saint 10x135 hub and running a 10x135 thru bolt using the QR dropouts that come with the 29er. Any thoughts on this?

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    Thanks!

    I have a boost hope rear hub and have both QR and 12mm end caps for it. When I wasn't sure I could find the 12x142 plates, my next plan was to remove the alternator reducer plats, pop on the QR caps, and obtain a longer QR skewer (a la Marin's 141mm QR Boost). I tested it out and it would have worked just fine if I had a longer skewer.

    So I guess the question is whether or not boost spacing is important to you and you want the option of switching to 12x148 later. If you already have the hub I say run what you've got!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    I pick up my charcoal matte/orange GX1 this weekend.

    Nice pedals you have, mind if I ask the brand? I know Race Face has some orange pedals. I am also deciding whether or not I should step up and finally go clipless.
    Hey, thanks! I like them pretty well, so far. They are Straitline brand, and the particular model is called De Facto. They are a Canadian company. I searched around online to find the best price, and actually got them from BikeWagon via WalMart's online marketplace.

    They were recommended to me by Project_Mayhem on here. They are very grippy. I use clipless on my Fargo, but decided to go with flats on this since it would be a more dedicated mountain biking machine, and I don't usually clip in on trails. Maybe some day i will, but not this day!

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    My Timberjack frame finally showed up yesterday!

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    A local shop was kind enough to let me slide a Chupacabra 29x3 on a Mulefut 50 rim into the back of my XL Timberjack to check clearance.

    Photos are shot from below the chainstays. Dropouts set to max chainstay length. Clearance was tightest on non-driveside, about 4mm? Slightly more on driveside, about 5-6mm? Probably rideable with a true rim and less-than-aggro cornering, but probably not viable longterm. Presumably a Chronicle would fit the same since they are nearly identical B2B width.

    Seatstay clearance is ridiculously excessive, not even worth shooting photos, a total non-concern.

    Based on this observation, I think we can confidently predict that a FatBNimble or Bomboloni (both with B2B 10-15mm < than Chup/Chron) would fit with sufficient clearance on most rims and for most riding.

    Let the TJ 29+ experiments begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss29er View Post
    My Timberjack frame finally showed up yesterday!
    Congrats, but ...................I'm a bit jealous. Hope to hear how your build goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    A local shop was kind enough to let me slide a Chupacabra 29x3 on a Mulefut 50 rim into the back of my XL Timberjack to check clearance.

    Photos are shot from below the chainstays. Dropouts set to max chainstay length. Clearance was tightest on non-driveside, about 4mm? Slightly more on driveside, about 5-6mm? Probably rideable with a true rim and less-than-aggro cornering, but probably not viable longterm. Presumably a Chronicle would fit the same since they are nearly identical B2B width.

    Seatstay clearance is ridiculously excessive, not even worth shooting photos, a total non-concern.

    Based on this observation, I think we can confidently predict that a FatBNimble or Bomboloni (both with B2B 10-15mm < than Chup/Chron) would fit with sufficient clearance on most rims and for most riding.

    Let the TJ 29+ experiments begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss29er View Post
    My Timberjack frame finally showed up yesterday!
    Woo! Let us know how the build goes.
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    Awwwwww maaaaaaan!!!! Grizzler thanks so much for starting this thread! I am stoked to see some of the Timberjack builds and hear some of the trials and tribulations people have gone through trying to get ahold of this bike! I ordered an XL frame after hearing from Salsa in October that frames would be available mid December. I purchased an entire parts spec, and now its Jan and no frame...apparently there are many of us in the same boat. I can't blame Salsa too much, as I know they are doing their best, but such a bummer that they ran into some QC issues. I am so jacked on this bike. I had just graduated from med school last June, and the day after graduation I had both my Trek MTB and my Salsa Vaya stolen from my garage. It was like running a marathon only to get to the finish line and have someone give me a swift kick in the balls. Thankfully insurance finally came though 6 months later, and since then I have scoured the internet and local shops and the Timberjack 27.5+ is without a doubt my dream machine. I found perhaps the last pre-order frame available, and at this point, I am willing to continue waiting, but damn it sucks. My parts are sitting in a box, and the last thing I heard regarding frames was that it was a no-go for an XL, even though I got an allocated pre-order. The shop very generously was willing to take apart a red complete for me in XL, but that will not do. Unless someone out there has an XL frame in Charcoal/Orange they would swap for a red one, I am at the mercy of the Salsa Gods...or their manufacturers...or something like that. Damn, and just when my balls felt like they were starting to heal.

    Here is my build, I'll let you all know if I ever get ahold of an actual frame. In the meantime, please keep posting pics of your builds. It gives me hope .

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    Wheels: Hand built Hope Pro orange hubs laced to Raceface Arc 40's, DT swiss black spokes, orange nipples.
    Tires: Schwalbe Nobby Nic 3.0.
    Fork: Rockshox Reba, boost spacing.
    Headset: Chris King Mango
    Bars: Raceface atlas 35 mm clamp.
    Stem: Raceface atlas 65 mm, 35 mm clamp.
    Grips: Raceface strafe with ODI orange lockon clamps.
    Crank: XT M8000 with 30T Hope narrow wide chain ring.
    Cassette: 11-42 XT M8000.
    Shifters/Brakes/Rotors: XT M8000, icetech, 180 front 160 rear.
    Seat post and clamp: Thomson layback and Salsa liplock orange.
    Saddle: Brooks B17 black.
    Pedals: Straitline DeFacto orange.

    I think that's everything. To all of you who got your bikes, I am happy for you. Please go out and ride for the rest of us still waiting. We feel it!

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    Mayhem! I was just thinking it had been a while since I had heard from you. Glad to see you post. Sorry to hear you are having such issues getting a firm commitment on an XL.

    I actually rode the Timberjack a bit today, just for you! Actually, it was a local, yearly "winter" group ride on some city trails, which was fun. It wasn't even that wintery, but rather sunny and low thirties Fahrenheit, not bad at all. I did find some time to leave the group and do some off roading though. I did find one place these big ol' tires lost traction, a big ice patch!

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    Hey Socrates, glad you made it out! We are having some record winter weather here, I am just trying not to think about how I could be busting through all this luscious powder if Salsa had kept their original deadline...cause then I get MMMMMMMAAAAAADDDDDD!!!! I am going with the whole "good things come to those who wait" thing for now, using this as an opportunity to let go of attachments etc... Are you still having any buyer's remorse?

    In other news, the only bike that comes in a close second to the Timberjack is the IMBA painted Hayaduke by Advocate (they also make some cool looking coffee mugs). I could have made such a sweet build with some blue or purple parts on that thing...would have been sick. If you haven't seen it, check it out. From a fit/cost perspective the Salsa is still better, and fit always wins. Still a cool bike idea tho.

    Keep those wheels rubber side down .
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    Finally! Ordered late November, delivery promised by Xmas. Stock except for a BrandX dropper. Maybe I shouldn't complain about being a few weeks late given others' experience. If it ever dries out here I might even get a chance to ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jwalther View Post
    Finally! Ordered late November, delivery promised by Xmas. Stock except for a BrandX dropper. Maybe I shouldn't complain about being a few weeks late given others' experience. If it ever dries out here I might even get a chance to ride.

    Looks legit! Let us know how the first ride goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    Looks legit! Let us know how the first ride goes.
    going to have to order one of these from REI. that bike is pure seks.

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    hello, looking for sizing help on timberjack. I'm 5ft 7 1/2in. inseam 29. salsa has me on a small. bike shop says I'm a medium. rode the medium and didn't really feel stretched out. if you are between sizes, should I size up or down. bike shop doesn't have a small to try. I appreciate any help. a lot of nice timberjacks on here. cant wait to get mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtrememadness View Post
    hello, looking for sizing help on timberjack. I'm 5ft 7 1/2in. inseam 29. salsa has me on a small. bike shop says I'm a medium. rode the medium and didn't really feel stretched out. if you are between sizes, should I size up or down. bike shop doesn't have a small to try. I appreciate any help. a lot of nice timberjacks on here. cant wait to get mine!
    bike shop may just want to sell you what you have. but if it feels fine then go for it. i'm the same height as you with a 30in inseam and went for a small deadwood, which has the same height sizing, mostly for increased standover clearance.
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    Hey, in case anyone is in need of a size L Timberjack 29 NX1, I know a guy that's selling one cheap. My beloved El Mariachi broke, and I got a TJ as a replacement...
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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D24 View Post
    Now I'm hearing from Salsa that my Timberjack frame (Ordered a "frame only" the week they were announced months ago. Was promised I would still receive the frame even though they removed the frame only option several weeks after introduction) are in QC and will be shipped "soon". Was told the week before Christmas the same QC story with a promise of it shipping the week of 1-3-17. Forgive the rant but sick of the BS. 3 promised ship dates have come and gone. A simple honest response should not be too much to ask.

    FYI- All of the feedback was directly from the Salsa Rep or QBP inside sales.
    Frame finally arrived. Non-boost Alternator adapters unavailable, Wolftooth hub conversion arrives today. Weight will be under 24lbs with RS Pike and burly tires. Happy about that. Looking forward to getting back on a SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtrememadness View Post
    hello, looking for sizing help on timberjack. I'm 5ft 7 1/2in. inseam 29. salsa has me on a small. bike shop says I'm a medium. rode the medium and didn't really feel stretched out. if you are between sizes, should I size up or down. bike shop doesn't have a small to try. I appreciate any help. a lot of nice timberjacks on here. cant wait to get mine!
    Even though these are long top tubes compared to other bikes, they ride smaller than they would appear on paper. I'm 5'11" about 32"inseam and went with the Large frame. Salsa had me at top end of medium or bottom of large, felt way more comfortable pedaling the large and I tend to like smaller bikes when I can. I ride a medium Scott Genius for example, in Santa Cruz, I'd probably buy a Large Frame. When I tried the medium felt like my pedaling stroke was short, like I was sitting too close to the cranks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D24 View Post
    Frame finally arrived. Non-boost Alternator adapters unavailable, Wolftooth hub conversion arrives today. Weight will be under 24lbs with RS Pike and burly tires. Happy about that. Looking forward to getting back on a SS.
    Looks great! How much travel is the Pike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    Looks great! How much travel is the Pike?
    130mm- My other ride is a slacked out mid travel AM/Trail bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maccam26 View Post
    Even though these are long top tubes compared to other bikes, they ride smaller than they would appear on paper. I'm 5'11" about 32"inseam and went with the Large frame. Salsa had me at top end of medium or bottom of large, felt way more comfortable pedaling the large and I tend to like smaller bikes when I can. I ride a medium Scott Genius for example, in Santa Cruz, I'd probably buy a Large Frame. When I tried the medium felt like my pedaling stroke was short, like I was sitting too close to the cranks..
    Second question, when you say "non-boost" do you mean you have 148x12 and need to convert to 142x12? If so all you need are the reducer plates which I have and will never use...
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    thank you buell, and maccam26 for the help. I'm thinking that the small with a 15in seat tube might be a little tight. the medium fits pretty good and I still have about 1in of standover with my mtb shoes on

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    Timberjack Thread-img_20170122_102640445.jpg
    I finally got around to finishing up my Timberjack build. A few new parts, but mostly stuff I already had. Not too bad at 25.5 lbs.

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    I am getting ready to buy 2 Timberjack GX's for me and my girlfriend, but I have a couple of questions. What is the smallest chainring that I can get for the Praxis crank? I believe it is 28t, but I want to confirm. Second, is the rear hub compatable with a 10-42 11 speed GX cassette.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ss29er View Post
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    I finally got around to finishing up my Timberjack build. A few new parts, but mostly stuff I already had. Not too bad at 25.5 lbs.
    Looks great, came in 2lbs lighter than my singlespeed!
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    Timberjack Thread-img_0976.jpg

    vee trax fatty 29x3" tires on 45mm rims. room to move back on the dropouts too. about 5mm of clearance on each side at the chainstays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    I am getting ready to buy 2 Timberjack GX's for me and my girlfriend, but I have a couple of questions. What is the smallest chainring that I can get for the Praxis crank? I believe it is 28t, but I want to confirm. Second, is the rear hub compatable with a 10-42 11 speed GX cassette.

    Thanks!
    I have a 28T direct (cinch) mount on another bike and just bought a Timberjack with the GX build, have not been able to find a 28T chain ring that works with the 94 bcd yet. I'm going to keep it this way for now and if I really need 28T drop the cash for cinch mount cranks.

    Scratch the last part: guess the below would work as a 28T 94bcd
    https://www.amazon.com/North-Shore-B.../dp/B00N6KHSEW

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    Finally saw one of these in person - dang, I think I need a new bike! Stock build looks very decent. Couple questions - has anyone put a dropper on yet? Which one and how did you route the cable?

    FWIW I was on an 18", I'm 5'-11" and loved the fit. I think the large would really stretch me out.
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    vee trax fatty 29x3" tires on 45mm rims. room to move back on the dropouts too. about 5mm of clearance on each side at the chainstays.
    Dang! Rad! Give us a ride report. I'm itching to try this but money is going to perpetually tight so I'd like to live vicariously through other people experimenting.
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    First Ride

    Very happy with the new ride. Really like the slack geo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    Hey, in case anyone is in need of a size L Timberjack 29 NX1, I know a guy that's selling one cheap. My beloved El Mariachi broke, and I got a TJ as a replacement...
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    PM sent on this!

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    Red one from REI should be here tuesday. Beyond excited.

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    Hope And then the waiting was over...

    BOOOM! My sweet parts finally have a purpose...I mean frame! This poor box of awesomeness has just been sitting in the corner of my office looking sad these past few months. At last, all is right with the universe.

    Thanks to Salsa and Fat Tire Farm in PDX. Now I can finally stop searching Google for "Salsa Timberjack frame availability" (like that was ever useful) and otherwise incessantly checking my email in the hopes that the Timberjack Fairy somehow got my address.

    Will post pics of the finished product (hopefully soon).
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    For the people buying a 29er complete and tearing it down to the frame, I see Universal Cycles now has the left thru axle alternator plate in stock (FS1383). It happens to be the version with fender mount, but still it should work. Combine this with FS1373 and we should be good to go.

    To Grizzler or anyone else that built up a 29er frame from the ground up - what thru axle did you end up going with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspiringXCGuy View Post
    For the people buying a 29er complete and tearing it down to the frame, I see Universal Cycles now has the left thru axle alternator plate in stock (FS1383). It happens to be the version with fender mount, but still it should work. Combine this with FS1373 and we should be good to go.

    To Grizzler or anyone else that built up a 29er frame from the ground up - what thru axle did you end up going with?
    I used the Maxle in 180mm length for my boost wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project_Mayhem View Post
    BOOOM! My sweet parts finally have a purpose...I mean frame! This poor box of awesomeness has just been sitting in the corner of my office looking sad these past few months. At last, all is right with the universe.

    Thanks to Salsa and Fat Tire Farm in PDX. Now I can finally stop searching Google for "Salsa Timberjack frame availability" (like that was ever useful) and otherwise incessantly checking my email in the hopes that the Timberjack Fairy somehow got my address.

    Will post pics of the finished product (hopefully soon).
    Awesome! Congrats, what's the build going to be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    I used the Maxle in 180mm length for my boost wheel.
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    Brilliant. Not sure how I missed that one, thanks buddy!

    Just waiting on REI to take stock now. Will be building mine up with a '16 Fox 34 Fit4 130mm 29 boost, 27.5 Arc 40's laced to DT Swiss 350 hubs with Sapim D-Light spokes and brass nips, XT M8000 drivetrain, and Magura Mt4 brakes. A couple bits of bling will be added too. Will post pics when I finally get everything. Can't wait to join the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3D24 View Post
    Very happy with the new ride. Really like the slack geo.
    Can anyone tell me which Mucky Nutz front fender works with 27.5 plus wheels? I can't tell if this is the face fender or the fat face?

    I'm up for other front fender rec's as well.

    Thanks!

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    Any idea what frame bag would fit the TJ? Are they coming out with a new line? Anyone bikepack on this thing yet?

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    Project_Mayhem, Hombre, glad to see things are finally falling together for you!

    A question for the thread. I have the stock, 27+, TJ. Let's say I want the alternator plates with fender mounts. Anybody have a link, or the part numbers, for an appropriate set of plates? I have been on various sites, but it seems the pictures don't always line up with what the part should be, so I want to be certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Project_Mayhem, Hombre, glad to see things are finally falling together for you!

    A question for the thread. I have the stock, 27+, TJ. Let's say I want the alternator plates with fender mounts. Anybody have a link, or the part numbers, for an appropriate set of plates? I have been on various sites, but it seems the pictures don't always line up with what the part should be, so I want to be certain.
    I'm pretty sure you need:

    Salsa FS1385 - Right Swing Plate, Maxle w/Derailleur Hanger and Fender Mount (M12x1.75 thread pitch)

    Salsa FS1383 - Left Swing Plate, Thru Axle w/Fender Mount

    Those are the plates I bought for my 29'er TJ, and should fit according to my research. You may want to double check with Salsa but I went ahead and bought them. Universal Cycles is the only vendor I see with both in stock currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project_Mayhem View Post
    Can anyone tell me which Mucky Nutz front fender works with 27.5 plus wheels? I can't tell if this is the face fender or the fat face?

    I'm up for other front fender rec's as well.

    Thanks!
    Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. My LBS said that the regular Mucky Nutz fender will work with a "Plus" tire as it will follow the contours of the bigger fork.

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    Thanks for that, AspiringXCGuy!

    As far as running a rack, such as the Salsa Alternator Rear Rack, do I need any special plates? Or would that work with the stock plates? I guess, looking at it, I don't see how an Alternator rack attaches. Does it have an extra long bolt that also becomes part of holding on the plate/frame?

    Thanks!

    Or, if you don't like the Salsa Alternator Rear Rack, does anybody have any rear rack suggestions that could somehow be attacked to the TJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SocratesDiedTrolling View Post
    Thanks for that, AspiringXCGuy!

    As far as running a rack, such as the Salsa Alternator Rear Rack, do I need any special plates? Or would that work with the stock plates? I guess, looking at it, I don't see how an Alternator rack attaches. Does it have an extra long bolt that also becomes part of holding on the plate/frame?

    Thanks!

    Or, if you don't like the Salsa Alternator Rear Rack, does anybody have any rear rack suggestions that could somehow be attacked to the TJ?
    I have the alternator rack on my Fargo. It comes with longer mounting bolts and replaces the swingarm bolts. It was a breeze to install. Probably cheaper than getting new plates plus a rack.
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    new timberjack!

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    Apologies for the blurrycam pic. Just picked her up today!

    Was really trying to get out and get a test ride in, but ended up changing parts up and getting dialed in as best as possible and ran out of daylight.

    Had an awful time removing the stock tires, but finally managed to get them off and replaced with 2 29x2.35 forekasters. Replaced stock brakes with some SLX i had laying around. Rode around off some curbs and such, and was more than surprised @ how well the manitou performed. Was not expecting it to be as nice as it is (still not amazing by any means) for a 1k bike.

    Only quibble I have so far is I did notice that the chain will drop down and cause some drivetrain stoppage if you do any back pedalling on the 2 biggest cogs. I'll have to do some more research into this and see if a new chain/casette might possibly help in that.

    This is my first "modern, long, slack geo" bike and it feels completely foreign, but capable just riding around the neighborhood. Have previously ridden a SC highball/niner Air9, and currently have an AL tallboy. The positioning on this is way different than all of those, but i like it. It's way more upright, and puts you more over the rear wheel.

    Hoping to get out to the trails thursday, and get back with an actual ride report.

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    Can anyone help me out and tell me what axle comes standard on the rockshox recon silver on this bike? I know it's a 15x110 axle, but is it a maxle? QR? Can't find that info anywhere. Also could anyone tell me if the fork comes with that cheapy plastic rebound adjust knob, or the nicer red aluminum one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trav16 View Post

    Only quibble I have so far is I did notice that the chain will drop down and cause some drivetrain stoppage if you do any back pedalling on the 2 biggest cogs. I'll have to do some more research into this and see if a new chain/casette might possibly help in that.
    I noticed the same exact thing on mine, but haven't gotten out on the trail to experiment more. Love to hear if you figure out a solution.

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    I love it when a plan comes together...

    Here's some pics of my build. Saddle and bars are waaaay to tall, still got to work on the fit and cut the steerer. First ride just around the block was promising, so different from my old 26'er, feels like I could roll over anything!

    Build came to 28.6 lbs, not bad. Will post more impressions after I get these tires full of mud...bike is just too clean right now .

    Many thanks to Matt at Missing Link Bikes in PDX for all of his help and expertise.

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    Hey, those pedals look familiar...

    I may eventually swap in some more orange parts like you have there. Looks good!

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    Timberjack 29 NX1 Part Spec/First Ride review

    Part Spec:

    Saddle - WTB Volt: This saddle has always agreed with me and I've run 6-7 different OEM versions of these over the years, but found after 4-5 months they turn into creak machines and I have to ditch them for something else. No creaks out of this one on the first ride. A+

    Fork - Manitou M30: This fork exceeded my expectations for a 1k price point MTB. I ran it close to full open with about 100 PSI (200 lbs with gear). Fork was very plush and I never once thought to myself that it was harsh or that I needed to fiddle with the settings mid trail ride. My one complaint is that its a QR and not a TA. Had it been a TA I dont think I would feel like it would be a potential future upgrade point. Overall though beggars can't be choosers at this price point B+

    Wheels - Formula 32 WTB i23: By far the most lackluster part of the build IMO. Very heavy and spokes were making all kinds of racket when putting power down on climbs in the two lowest gears. I'll need to give the rear a once over and oil all the spoke nuts/where they cross and see if I can fix this. I am sure these wheels can take a beating, but they will most likely be the first thing to change out on my upgrade list C+

    Drivetrain - Sram NX1: I am beyond late to the 1x drivetrain game. The NX1 drivetrain on this is probably one of my favorite parts of the bicycle. Super clean shifting, More than adequate range for the short/punchy climbs I hit on the first trail ride. I mentioned backpedal issues in a previous post in this thread, but I experienced zero issues on the first ride. Trail I rode wasn't overly techy so it may be a different situation when I get the bike out to some chunkier terrain. I love not having to worry about shifting/adjusting the FD while still keeping a full range of gears. Think less about shifting, think more about riding. A+

    Tires - Schwalbe Rapid Rob: These were removed for 2 29x2.35 Maxxis Forekasters. 29psi F/27psi R with tewbs. I could play around with the PSI settings a little more, but these tires honestly felt pretty great on this bike and maintained good traction through some damp leaf cover the trail hit me with. Also did surprisingly well on climbs. I think baloonier (sp?) tires such as these do a lot to take the harshness out of a hardtail. I loved the performance of the rear tire, but if i want to get more aggressive I may end up putting something a little knobbier in the front.

    Brakes - Tektro Auriga: Had some SLX laying around and these never made it out to the trail for me. Shoot me an offer if wanna take them off my hands before they hit fleabay. SLX performed adequately as they always seem to do with 180mm F and 160mm R rotors.

    Frame - Beautiful subtle paint job on this bike, that you just dont find on a lot of bikes that scream HEY LOOK AT ME. I am indifferent on the internal routing. Having owned one other bike (felt Z85 road bike) with internal routing, this bike was pretty silent and I didnt hear any cable rattle or anything. The z85 made all kinds of noise when I had it, and is part of the reason why i eventually sold it. I don't much care for the look of all the rubber stops all over the frame, and realize it's a little more difficult working on brakes/drivetrain due to this, but its really not a huge deal at all. A-

    Stem/Handlebars - Salsa Guide/Rustler 3: These are the widest bars I've ever used @ 750mm (other bike is a 685mm), and these took a little while to get used to. Had to be very careful through some "tight tree field goal" situations as not to clip a handle bar. I know wider is the new trend, but jury is still out just a little for me on these. I would imagine it will grow on me over time. I forget how long the stem was on this (60mm?), but I had zero issue with it and the bike felt very comfortable (6'2" riding an XL). I may eventually try and go shorter just to see what happens. A

    Grips - Salsa Backcountry - Nothing really wrong with these per say, but they feel incredibly small to me. Will be replaced with some ESI Extra chunkies before the next ride. C+

    Pedals - XT clipless A+

    Ride Review:

    Trail: AEDC - Tullahoma, TN. 15 mile loop with little in the way of rocks, but lots in the way of roots, with 7-8 steep/punchy climbs at the end.

    Climbing - This bike climbs exactly as you would expect a hardtail to. Extremely efficient power transfer. On less rooty climbs I would much prefer it to my FS rig, as I could just mash and before I knew it I was at the top of the hill. On the rootier climbs I'd have to opt for the FS, as its just better at keeping traction, but this is expected. Just have to ride a little different to compensate. I was a little worried about having the front wheel wander due to the modern geometry, but the shorter cockpit completely alleviated this worry for me. Front wheel stayed planted the entire time.

    Downhill - I don't know what else to say other than they completely nailed the geometry for this bike on the faster downhill sections. Having ridden racier hardtails in the past (highball/air9), this bike just screams FUN instead of "pick better lines or you're OTB". I feel like I'm way more on top of the rear wheel on this bike compared to the previously mentioned and its absolutely confidence inspiring. There's also something about pushing a hardtail aggresively downhill that puts a smile on my face. I never once thought to myself "man that downhill kicked your ass because hardtail" like I have before. This was a pleasant surprise that I was not expecting. Pure bliss.

    Tight and twisty - I was overly concerned about the longer slacker geo of this bike struggling in the way of the tight and twisty low speed sections this trail has. This was a complete non issue when out on the trail, as I found the bike extremely maneuverable, and felt no limitation navigating around tight turns. Front wheel was easily flickable. Gotta attribute this to the short stem I suppose. May go shorter in the future.

    Final Impressions - For a G, this is an incredible value for the amount of bike you get. I was initially N+1ing around looking for some new fancy 3-4k FS rig, and keep my aging tallboy as a backup. I strongly value simplicity and lack of things to go wrong on a bike, and when this came out at 1k it really piqued my interest. I got rid of my last two hardtails, because I always felt beat up, and kind of expected to have a similar situation with this, but for the money figured it would make an alright backup and save me some coin over a more expensive rig. However, after this first ride I would imagine that the Timberjack will be splitting trail time pretty evenly with the FS. As previously mentioned, they really did the geometry of this bike right. I didn't feel like I was compromising anything in the way of downhill, uphill, or maneuverability with the jack.

    No buyers remorse here

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    Just had my first ride on my Timberjack GX. I'm an overweight out of shape 53 year old that is coming from a fs 26er for context.

    The bike was pretty amazing. My only upgrade thus far is a 28 t front chainring. I still need lower gearing. Going to a 11-46. This will actually match my low gearing on my old bike (24x36 on a 26er).

    Going to a carbon bar with 40mm rise for a little added comfort. If it is too high, I'll just lower the stem which I have at the highest position.

    This is the first time I rode with wide bars and after about 15 minutes, it all made sense. Bike climbs great and front stays down because of the long top tube. Traction is amazing. Bike descends better than I will ever need.

    I wish it came tubeless. I thought the shop was going to do it for free since I purchased two bikes, but the didn't.

    Can anyone tell me the width of Gorilla tape to use on the rims for a tubeless conversion? Also, any tips for adjusting the front fork? No owners manual or info came with the bike.

    Thanks!

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    I've noticed the same thing a couple others have had a problem with on their bikes. My chain will drop when back pedaling about half a turn on the last two biggest cogs. Not a huge deal, but its there. The chain line is pretty gnarly when you look at it closely.
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    http://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-sh...d-1009363.html

    ^^^ per this thread im thinking a sram chain is in my future

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    Quote Originally Posted by messofzero View Post

    vee trax fatty 29x3" tires on 45mm rims. room to move back on the dropouts too. about 5mm of clearance on each side at the chainstays.
    This has inspired me to strip down the blue 29r build and set it up with some wide 27.5 wheels. Got a sick deal on some Easton Arc 40 wheels for this project. The blue paint job is really nice 👍🏼

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    Quote Originally Posted by trav16 View Post
    http://forums.mtbr.com/drivetrain-sh...d-1009363.html

    ^^^ per this thread im thinking a sram chain is in my future
    The cheapest sram 11s chain fixed this prob for me on another build

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Extremely close to buying this bike. Question: is there a lot of chain slap ? (GX 27.5 plus).

    Thanks.
    I had none on some rocky/rooty terrain today (first ride)
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    first ride on the TJ today (27+) stock build, did 15+ miles on my home trail network.

    Ride impressions: I played with the psi a bit and settled on 14(with tubes), happy medium between traction and enough air to keep momentum. Plan on converting to tubeless soon. Bike handles great, fairly agile(I think it'll be even better after dropping the tubes). Drivetrain was fairly crisp, gearing choice was perfect for me. Rocket Rons really shine in a plus size, corner well and roll fast. Brakes are ok (gotta skimp somewhere on a $1400 build), I'll ne replacing them with XTs soon. The fork was a surprise to me...performs like my '12 Reba RL just heavier. Cockpit parts are nice, although I'll be replacing the grips and seat ASAP. Overall I'm very pleased with this bike and feel it's a ton of bike for $1400. The finish and overall look is of a bike that's more expensive(several riders today were surprised by the list price)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pascale27 View Post
    I had none on some rocky/rooty terrain today (first ride)
    I have had 3-4 slaps in 8 mile ride today, nothing too serious


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    Quote Originally Posted by pascale27
    first ride on the TJ today (27+) stock build, did 15+ miles on my home trail network.

    Ride impressions: I played with the psi a bit and settled on 14(with tubes), happy medium between traction and enough air to keep momentum. Plan on converting to tubeless soon. Bike handles great, fairly agile(I think it'll be even better after dropping the tubes). Drivetrain was fairly crisp, gearing choice was perfect for me. Rocket Rons really shine in a plus size, corner well and roll fast. Brakes are ok (gotta skimp somewhere on a $1400 build), I'll ne replacing them with XTs soon. The fork was a surprise to me...performs like my '12 Reba RL just heavier. Cockpit parts are nice, although I'll be replacing the grips and seat ASAP. Overall I'm very pleased with this bike and feel it's a ton of bike for $1400. The finish and overall look is of a bike that's more expensive(several riders today were surprised by the list price)
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Are the brakes on that build SRAM Guide or SRAM no-name?
    Level brakes


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    Ride impressions: I played with the psi a bit and settled on 14(with tubes), )[/QUOTE]

    +1 on pressures, running 12f 14rear feels good to me at 155lbs


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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Extremely close to buying this bike. Question: is there a lot of chain slap ? (GX 27.5 plus).

    Thanks.
    On the smallest cog the chain is only about an inch or so above the chain stay. I've had some massive chainslap taking this thing downhill. Hell i can't even pick the back tire off the ground an inch and drop it without it clapping. The others saying they haven't had any/much chainslap must be riding theirs on their mothers sidewalk.

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    This is pretty typical, and my El Mariachi has similar chain stay clearance even with its small diameter stays. Just need to pick your favorite chain stay wrapping method; old tube, Lizard Skins, etc.

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    got mine dirty yesterday.

    running 29x3" vee trax fattys on arc45 rims. 30x18 SS. currently running a krampus fork up front, QR front and rear. 760mm easton bars, 60mm stem, zero setback seatpost.

    i thought the bike might feel goofy with the full 29 plus wheelset, but it felt spot on. no pedal strikes on our rocky midwest trails and stable on descents. im coming off a custom frame with a VERY high bottom bracket, so while i'm happy with the TJ BB height, it might be different for others.

    coming from a whisky thru axle fork to a krampus fork made the front end feel a little flexy but that could be from tire pressure too. ill fiddle with suspension and maybe a carbon in the future, but its fine for now.

    pics to come a little later today. pretty stoked on this $900 bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Rhett View Post
    On the smallest cog the chain is only about an inch or so above the chain stay. I've had some massive chainslap taking this thing downhill. Hell i can't even pick the back tire off the ground an inch and drop it without it clapping. The others saying they haven't had any/much chainslap must be riding theirs on their mothers sidewalk.
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    i put one of those cheap neoprene lizard skins velcro chainstain condoms on mine. no issues. im jazzed AF on this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    Rant away. I went through the same thing and my LBS ended up ordering a complete 29er and keeping the build kit. I ended up having to find 142x12 plates and buy a Maxle which put the total cost of the frame up another $70. I hope they make some serious internal changes in the distribution or it will most likely be the last QBP bike I purchase.

    PS I rode my TJ yesterday on a chunky 22 mile with plenty of climbing and descending. The fork seems to broken in now and I got the rear brake to behave. The plus tires were a blast but I was also reminded of why I love my double
    Where did you find an axle for 10$? I have a TA set of 12x142 stans I would like to run. Just bought a Timberjack Yesterday!

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    Timberjack Thread-img_0126.jpg
    The eagle has landed. Swapped quite a bit off the 29er build. My shop was able to find the ta plates easily from quality. Absolutely love this rig
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Where did you find an axle for 10$? I have a TA set of 12x142 stans I would like to run. Just bought a Timberjack Yesterday!
    My friend gave me the plates for free, the axle was $70 sorry for the confusion. Which TJ did you get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
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    The eagle has landed. Swapped quite a bit off the 29er build. My shop was able to find the ta plates easily from quality. Absolutely love this rig
    Looks great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    My friend gave me the plates for free, the axle was $70 sorry for the confusion. Which TJ did you get?
    Got me a NX1 Blue XL. Its a big bike!

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    Timberjack Thread-16640698_10101551968135843_5827659876544854529_n.jpgTimberjack Thread-16473116_10101551968140833_5296602204364649355_n.jpg

    Got some snowfall last night. Figured I had to try out the Timberjack in the white stuff. Not bad! Was pretty fun, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler
    Looks great!
    thank you

    Has anyone tried putting a larger chainring on the praxis crankset on this thing? I am curious to know if an AB oval 30t ring would fit without running into the chainstay. Unfortunately I don't have another bike with the same bolt pattern to give it a try.
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    For those of you in Colorado having a hard time getting ahold of one of these, Bike Peddler in Greeley has 3 of them at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by messofzero View Post
    got mine dirty yesterday.

    running 29x3" vee trax fattys on arc45 rims. 30x18 SS. currently running a krampus fork up front, QR front and rear. 760mm easton bars, 60mm stem, zero setback seatpost.

    i thought the bike might feel goofy with the full 29 plus wheelset, but it felt spot on. no pedal strikes on our rocky midwest trails and stable on descents. im coming off a custom frame with a VERY high bottom bracket, so while i'm happy with the TJ BB height, it might be different for others.

    coming from a whisky thru axle fork to a krampus fork made the front end feel a little flexy but that could be from tire pressure too. ill fiddle with suspension and maybe a carbon in the future, but its fine for now.

    pics to come a little later today. pretty stoked on this $900 bike.
    Dying to see pics of the rear clearance!

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    I see multiple people running those arc 40 rims. What hubs are you using or would recommend with the Manitou 30? I don't mind changing the rear plates to accept TA. I have never got into the TA wheels really before and would like to do the 29+ setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    I see multiple people running those arc 40 rims. What hubs are you using or would recommend with the Manitou 30? I don't mind changing the rear plates to accept TA. I have never got into the TA wheels really before and would like to do the 29+ setup.
    The arc 40s (or any plus wheel) are gonna be too big for the Manitou m30. It might just barely fit, but won't have enough clearance to be useful. You'll need to do a fork swap in order to put plus size wheels on the 29r build. Any of the Rock shox 29" boost forks (Sid, Reba, Pike, Yari, or Lyrik) will be compatible with 27.5 plus. I don't know what forks will accept 29 plus.

    Mine are laced up to DT 350s. I got them off someone who upgraded the wheels on his Hightower.

    Edit: Manitou also makes at least one 27.5 plus compatible that retails for around 400. i chose to use a Reba
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    The arc 40s (or any plus wheel) are gonna be too big for the Manitou m30. It might just barely fit, but won't have enough clearance to be useful. You'll need to do a fork swap in order to put plus size wheels on the 29r build. Any of the Rock shox 29" boost forks (Sid, Reba, Pike, Yari, or Lyrik) will be compatible with 27.5 plus. I don't know what forks will accept 29 plus.

    Mine are laced up to DT 350s. I got them off someone who upgraded the wheels on his Hightower.

    Edit: Manitou also makes at least one 27.5 plus compatible that retails for around 400. i chose to use a Reba
    Nice, they don't make it easy do they? To many choices..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Nice, they don't make it easy do they? To many choices..
    They def. made some compromises to get the 29er build under a grand retail.

    My LBS highly recommended the Manitou models (Manitou is under new ownership, and have apparently improved from the days of yore). The 2 Manitou models that would work are the Machete (MSRP 400) and the Magnum (MSRP 900). Universal cycles has the Machete 29 plus boost fork on sale for $360. Thats a helluva deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    They def. made some compromises to get the 29er build under a grand retail.

    My LBS highly recommended the Manitou models (Manitou is under new ownership, and have apparently improved from the days of yore). The 2 Manitou models that would work are the Machete (MSRP 400) and the Magnum (MSRP 900). Universal cycles has the Machete 29 plus boost fork on sale for $360. Thats a helluva deal.
    Right on thanks for the info! I'll check that out. feel like the bike really is a 2k build.. Hopefully I can recover some cost reselling the old parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Right on thanks for the info! I'll check that out. feel like the bike really is a 2k build.. Hopefully I can recover some cost reselling the old parts.
    Yea mine was a little over 2k without having sold the old wheel set or fork yet. Have fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Yea mine was a little over 2k without having sold the old wheel set or fork yet. Have fun!

    Thanks for your help.

    Found the reba for 400 new so ordered me one up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Thanks for your help.

    Found the reba for 400 new so ordered me one up!
    Good find. I'm super happy with the Reba. I haven't had a rock shox fork since the early 2000s, and I'm blown away by how stiff this thing rides. Of course the through axle makes a huge difference.

    Post up some pics when you get all the puzzle pieces together!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Good find. I'm super happy with the Reba. I haven't had a rock shox fork since the early 2000s, and I'm blown away by how stiff this thing rides. Of course the through axle makes a huge difference.

    Post up some pics when you get all the puzzle pieces together!
    at this point it will look same as yours! going to have to get some bling hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    at this point it will look same as yours! going to have to get some bling hubs.
    Hope and project321 make nice anodized colors, but pricey. I'm changing the decals on my rims and hubs to Pantone 012c AKA Mavic yellow. This will tide me over until Mavic releases some wider hoops in 10-20 years.

    Slik graphics makes nice decals for DT hubs in any color under the sun. This ended up being a lot less coin than the fancy Ano hubs. I have not received them yet but have heard good things. DT Swiss 240s Hub Decal Kit - Slik Graphics
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Hope and project321 make nice anodized colors, but pricey. I'm changing the decals on my rims and hubs to Pantone 012c AKA Mavic yellow. This will tide me over until Mavic releases some wider hoops in 10-20 years.

    Slik graphics makes nice decals for DT hubs in any color under the sun. This ended up being a lot less coin than the fancy Ano hubs. I have not received them yet but have heard good things. DT Swiss 240s Hub Decal Kit - Slik Graphics
    Yeah im looking at the hope pro4.Price is not much different than DT. At this point I sank enough money what is a extra $100? open for suggestions though.

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    hopefully final question, For the rear hub can i run boost with the stock front crankset? and which alternator dropouts am i wanting to get? I don't see 12X148 alternators on universal cycles only 12x142. Which should i just run non-boost on the rear with the arc 45?

    Thanks again everyone for the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    hopefully final question, For the rear hub can i run boost with the stock front crankset? and which alternator dropouts am i wanting to get? I don't see 12X148 alternators on universal cycles only 12x142. Which should i just run non-boost on the rear with the arc 45?

    Thanks again everyone for the information.
    The stock crankset on the 29er already has a "boost compatible" chainline. The chainring is spaced quite far outboard actually - to me it looks like ~52mm, which is a little far out even for boost.

    The standard 12x142 dropouts are what you want. On the stock 29er, there are 3mm reduction plates sandwiched in between each side of the QR dropouts, effectively reducing the frame to non-boost spacing. Take those reduction plates out, slap in standard 12x142 alternator dropouts, get a compatible boost thru axle and you're good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspiringXCGuy View Post
    The stock crankset on the 29er already has a "boost compatible" chainline. The chainring is spaced quite far outboard actually - to me it looks like ~52mm, which is a little far out even for boost.

    The standard 12x142 dropouts are what you want. On the stock 29er, there are 3mm reduction plates sandwiched in between each side of the QR dropouts, effectively reducing the frame to non-boost spacing. Take those reduction plates out, slap in standard 12x142 alternator dropouts, get a compatible boost thru axle and you're good.
    Awesome thanks man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Yeah im looking at the hope pro4.Price is not much different than DT. At this point I sank enough money what is a extra $100? open for suggestions though.
    I got no experience with other hubs. The Hopes, Chris King, Industry9, and Project321 (which have Industry9 internals) hubs are all highly regarded and you'd probably be happy with any of em. The only ones I've ridden are the Chris kings and of course they're awesome
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    Just put a sram 11x chain on the bike. Looks better and shifts a little better (could be placebo).

    No backpedal issue in 2nd lowest gear where the KMC would drop. Chain still drops down on lowest gearing when backpedaling. Will keep investigating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trav16 View Post
    Just put a sram 11x chain on the bike. Looks better and shifts a little better (could be placebo).

    No backpedal issue in 2nd lowest gear where the KMC would drop. Chain still drops down on lowest gearing when backpedaling. Will keep investigating.
    You could try switching the spacer on the BB from drive side to non drive side (assuming yours came set up the same way mine did), or improvising some spacers to get the chainring closer inboard. I would proceed with caution with either of these strategies because the chainring is already very close to the chainstay. I have not tried this.

    Mine drops off only the biggest cog in back (switched to a sram gx cassette) with th3 stock KMC chain.
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    im in the exact same situation with it only doing it on the biggest cog. I also noticed the chainring is very close to the stay. Probably not going to mess with it and just enjoy the ride.

    grand scheme of things this isnt a huge deal by any means. i'll just have to pay attention when climbing up sketch in the low gear.

    will see what happens when i wear this casette out and get something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    I got no experience with other hubs. The Hopes, Chris King, Industry9, and Project321 (which have Industry9 internals) hubs are all highly regarded and you'd probably be happy with any of em. The only ones I've ridden are the Chris kings and of course they're awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkinbiter View Post
    the_joe - A polite correction if I may - Project321 is now using their own drive system. Project 321 - New Drive System
    Fantastic! I have your (ahem, their) clampon lefty adapter on my fs bike. That adapter is a huge improvement from the home made steel tube I was using before. Seriously, you rock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Fantastic! I have your (ahem, their) clampon lefty adapter on my fs bike. That adapter is a huge improvement from the home made steel tube I was using before. Seriously, you rock!
    Your too kind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtrememadness View Post
    hello, looking for sizing help on timberjack. I'm 5ft 7 1/2in. inseam 29. salsa has me on a small. bike shop says I'm a medium. rode the medium and didn't really feel stretched out. if you are between sizes, should I size up or down. bike shop doesn't have a small to try. I appreciate any help. a lot of nice timberjacks on here. cant wait to get mine!
    Same here on height/inseam. Special ordered the Small per Salsa's recommendations. While it appears to fit ok, I cannot help but think I'm cramped while riding. Absolutely love the bike, but wish I could have test fit the medium and small before pulling the trigger. Some of my issue might be coming from an older bike to newer geometry standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmoneylove View Post
    Same here on height/inseam. Special ordered the Small per Salsa's recommendations. While it appears to fit ok, I cannot help but think I'm cramped while riding. Absolutely love the bike, but wish I could have test fit the medium and small before pulling the trigger. Some of my issue might be coming from an older bike to newer geometry standards.
    I put a longer stem on my size medium immediately, for what it's worth. I'm 5-10, test rode both M and L, large was way too stretched out. Medium felt a little cramped until I put a longer stem on there. Just a thought.
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    man, trying to find the left thru axle alternator plate is a chore... what axle length will I need for boost? 180 or 177? i see the deal for the plates and a 177 axle for 139 which at this point im about willing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    man, trying to find the left thru axle alternator plate is a chore... what axle length will I need for boost? 180 or 177? i see the deal for the plates and a 177 axle for 139 which at this point im about willing to do.
    Mine says 180. I am pretty sure ( but not positive) mine has a boost rear end.

    My mechanic had to order all 3 parts separately, he said it was not available as the kit for my setup for another several months
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Mine says 180. I am pretty sure ( but not positive) mine has a boost rear end.

    My mechanic had to order all 3 parts separately, he said it was not available as the kit for my setup for another several months
    Yeah i thought 180 was for boost. Have a couple salsa shops to ht up tomorrow to try to get the plates but I cant find the left side anywhere online!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Yeah i thought 180 was for boost. Have a couple salsa shops to ht up tomorrow to try to get the plates but I cant find the left side anywhere online!
    Yea the salsa website says a 180 rear axle. They will need to go through QBP. My local shop will ship parts, so let me know if you want their contact info. They have some of the most knowledgeable Mtb mechanics I have ever met in 20 years of riding. He gave me some reasoning (that I did not fully understand) of why that 177mm $139 kit on universal cycles would not work for this build. I trust pretty much whatever they tell me, and 2 days later I picked up the complete bike with the exact setup I asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Yea the salsa website says a 180 rear axle. They will need to go through QBP. My local shop will ship parts, so let me know if you want their contact info. They have some of the most knowledgeable Mtb mechanics I have ever met in 20 years of riding. He gave me some reasoning (that I did not fully understand) of why that 177mm $139 kit on universal cycles would not work for this build. I trust pretty much whatever they tell me, and 2 days later I picked up the complete bike with the exact setup I asked for.
    Im going to call my LBS tomorrow where I bought the bike and if they cant get me what I need, I may hit your guys up.
    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Im going to call my LBS tomorrow where I bought the bike and if they cant get me what I need, I may hit your guys up.
    Thanks for the info.
    The left side plate was availabile only with the rear rack tab (little hole behind the axle), the right side only without it. Good luck
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    got a little crazy tonight making a framepack. First time ever turned out alright!

    Should also add cost me about 10 dollars to make it!
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    Nice! I have considered doing the same. What fabric did you use?

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    Nice! I have considered doing the same. What fabric did you use?
    just some cordura from walmart. I may look at ordering some better materials next time. Didn't want to waste money in case it didn't work out. This will work fine though just not water proof. Also would like to make it full frame. I kind of messed up and didn't have a long enough piece to go all the way around the perimeter of the bag for the center strip. Surprisingly wasn't that difficult.

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    Nice! I may follow suit here. How did you decide the thickness of it... like the width of the side/top/bottom pieces? About equal to the diameter of the tubes?
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    Btw love the DIY framebag!

    Just working on some fit issues. Wondering what length stem you guys are running on XL TJ? I am trained as a bike fitter, but it is always hard to fit myself, especially with new geometry. As I no longer work at a bike shop and don't have access to giant full length mirrors, I am relying on feel and what I remember from my XC bike. I know that the TJ is supposed to have a long top tube, but even with 800mm bars this thing feels short to me (I am 6'4"). I am currently running a RF Atllas 65mm but am experimenting with an 80 and 90mm Easton Haven. Any thoughts about setup are welcome. I understand that the TJ is meant to have a shorter stem, and that the fit is different on this than a traditional 26" XC bike, but I also wanted to hear some additional info. Is it better to go shorter stem for maneuverability? I am thinking it might be good to have some room to stretch and unload he lumbars for longer rides/bike packing.

    In addition, when I have a chance to ride some of the different stems (they just showed up today) I will also post my own impressions. I talked to my LBS about a fit (even as a trained fitter it is always better to have someone be able to see the whole picture, flex of the arms, pressure on back and hands etc... that are too subjective when actually on the bike), but there is no way to mount this thing in a trainer to do a regular fit anyway. Irony...yes, absolutely.

    Looking forward to replies. Happy riding all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project_Mayhem View Post
    Btw love the DIY framebag!

    Just working on some fit issues. Wondering what length stem you guys are running on XL TJ? I am trained as a bike fitter, but it is always hard to fit myself, especially with new geometry. As I no longer work at a bike shop and don't have access to giant full length mirrors, I am relying on feel and what I remember from my XC bike. I know that the TJ is supposed to have a long top tube, but even with 800mm bars this thing feels short to me (I am 6'4"). I am currently running a RF Atllas 65mm but am experimenting with an 80 and 90mm Easton Haven. Any thoughts about setup are welcome. I understand that the TJ is meant to have a shorter stem, and that the fit is different on this than a traditional 26" XC bike, but I also wanted to hear some additional info. Is it better to go shorter stem for maneuverability? I am thinking it might be good to have some room to stretch and unload he lumbars for longer rides/bike packing.

    In addition, when I have a chance to ride some of the different stems (they just showed up today) I will also post my own impressions. I talked to my LBS about a fit (even as a trained fitter it is always better to have someone be able to see the whole picture, flex of the arms, pressure on back and hands etc... that are too subjective when actually on the bike), but there is no way to mount this thing in a trainer to do a regular fit anyway. Irony...yes, absolutely.

    Looking forward to replies. Happy riding all!
    I'm 6'4 also and after a 20 mile ride this weekend i was getting numb hands. I had already added a forte carbon riser bar from performance and cut it down to 750mm.
    I just switched my stem to a salsa pro moto 2 90mm 65/115deg stem to try out i had lying around.
    I haven't been riding much in years so maybe I just need to get used to it not sure. I would actually like to try a h-bar seeing how i am setting it up for bikepacking.


    And thanks for the bag comment! that is V1. looking forward to improving it and fitting the whole frame. Previous post asked about width, I made a sigle strip for the whole perimeter at 3 inches so when sewn in it came out close to 2.5 wide.


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    one thing I am not liking is the manitou fork... Good thing I ordered a reba to replace it for my 29+ project!

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    Just picked up this bad boy from my LBS! Currently waiting for the snow/ice to melt. Hopefully getting out this weekend... Had to snag the last XL frame before they were gone!
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    Good looking bikes everyone! Can you still buy the frame only? I have a steel Voodoo I'd like to switch everything from (Reba, Easton EA90s, SS). I like the new Karate Monkey from Surly, but it's $600 for frame only & has a several month lead time.

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    It sounded like they may be doing another frame run available spring, but to my knowledge all pre-order frames were sold, meaning all frames they had for sale during the first shipment. Some people that had pre-ordered frames may not have even gotten them due to QC issues causing a shortage. It's a damn sweet ride, worth the wait imo, but I would talk to someone at Salsa directly. If the person you get on the phone can't get you specifics, then just call back and talk to someone else. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project_Mayhem View Post
    It sounded like they may be doing another frame run available spring, but to my knowledge all pre-order frames were sold, meaning all frames they had for sale during the first shipment. Some people that had pre-ordered frames may not have even gotten them due to QC issues causing a shortage. It's a damn sweet ride, worth the wait imo, but I would talk to someone at Salsa directly. If the person you get on the phone can't get you specifics, then just call back and talk to someone else. Good luck!
    Thanks for the advice on talking to Salsa. I talked to them, they said they won't be making any more frames until their next model year (July/Aug). Whatever they have is allocated to orders in house, only way to get a frame is to find a shop with one (needle in a haystack I think).

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    So most shops don't order frames for stock. Look at some of the bigger online retailers like Bikeman etc... because some of them may have ordered frames. I have heard that sometimes Salsa will also release some of the frames they hold back for warranty late in the season, but even that's a long shot. Sorry I don't have better news, just wanted to let you know what you're up against. I was in your situation back in October, found exactly 1 frame available, got mixed info for 3 months, frame finally fell through, and eventually found someone at Salsa who made it happen for me. If you want to for sure be able to ride before next January, I would buy a complete and go from there. Another idea is the advocate Hayaduke, especially if you can get the IMBA paint job.

    Good luck!!!

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    Added a Handlebar roll to my HomeMade Bikepacking Bags! This turned out much better. Have some items I want to add to it. some stretch cord on top to hold a hat or something would be nice..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Added a Handlebar roll...
    Where's the new fork and wheels? Did you have USPS ship them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Where's the new fork and wheels? Did you have USPS ship them?
    yup. scheduled to get here tomorrow. still need to build the wheels though. waiting on spokes!

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    Has anybody added a dropper post to this bike? Are you supposed to replace the frame plugs with ones with holes in them for the internal routing? Or am I supposed to whip out my drill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Has anybody added a dropper post to this bike? Are you supposed to replace the frame plugs with ones with holes in them for the internal routing? Or am I supposed to whip out my drill?
    Your bike should have come with extra frame plugs that would accommodate routing for the front derailleur and dropper posts. If it did not, your dealer forgot to give them to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    Your bike should have come with extra frame plugs that would accommodate routing for the front derailleur and dropper posts. If it did not, your dealer forgot to give them to you.
    Wonderful thank you!!
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    Joe,
    which 29+ tires are you running with that reba up front? any issues with the fit? I received my fork,axle, alternator dropouts. now just waiting on spokes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Joe,
    which 29+ tires are you running with that reba up front? any issues with the fit? I received my fork,axle, alternator dropouts. now just waiting on spokes...
    Mines 27.5 plus with rekon front and ikon rear. There are some ppl running 29 plus earlier in this thread though on page 1 and 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Joe,
    which 29+ tires are you running with that reba up front? any issues with the fit? I received my fork,axle, alternator dropouts. now just waiting on spokes...
    Check out this thread
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    Has anyone else noticed how poorly the front wheel rotates when torquing the maxle to specs. I recently bought two Timberjacks for me and my girlfriend and both of them have the same issue. No issue with the rear hub, just the front.

    Also, upgrade to a SRAM chain. With minimal filing on the largest cog, I have no back pedaling issues at all. With the old chain, I had a chain drop issue in the 1st, 2nd, and occasionally third cog. I think Salsa really screwed up not spec'ing the SRAM chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    Has anyone else noticed how poorly the front wheel rotates when torquing the macle to specs.
    I noticed the poor rotation on the front wheel also. I have the stock GX1 build.

    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    Also, upgrade to a SRAM chain. With minimal filing on the largest cog, I have no back pedaling issues at all.
    Which SRAM chain did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squanchy View Post
    Which SRAM chain did you go with?
    PC-X1. I am also running the chain a little longer so that I can go back to the 30t upfront when I get stronger. I'm currently running a 28t front with a 11-46 Sunrace rear. I sized my chain to longest it would be to get the clutch on the derailleur engaged and provide tension.

    My girlfriends still has some backpedadaling issues, but the chain stays engaged much longer until it drops with the SRAM chain. I'm not sure why hers doesn't work as well as mine, but I did remove two more links on her chain because she will always run a 28t front. I'm going to troubleshoot a little more.

    Good luck!

    I'm going to call Salsa today and convey my frustration with the back pedaling issue and what worked for me to correct it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    Has anyone else noticed how poorly the front wheel rotates when torquing the macle to specs. I recently bought two Timberjacks for me and my girlfriend and both of them have the same issue. No issue with the rear hub, just the front.

    Also, upgrade to a SRAM chain. With minimal filing on the largest cog, I have no back pedaling issues at all. With the old chain, I had a chain drop issue in the 1st, 2nd, and occasionally third cog. I think Salsa really screwed up not spec'ing the SRAM chain.
    Hi, I have a new GX1 but yet to ride it.

    Question: what is a macle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Hi, I have a new GX1 but yet to ride it.

    Question: what is a macle?
    I meant Maxle. It is the thru axle for the front hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    Has anyone else noticed how poorly the front wheel rotates when torquing the maxle to specs. I recently bought two Timberjacks for me and my girlfriend and both of them have the same issue. No issue with the rear hub, just the front.

    Also, upgrade to a SRAM chain. With minimal filing on the largest cog, I have no back pedaling issues at all. With the old chain, I had a chain drop issue in the 1st, 2nd, and occasionally third cog. I think Salsa really screwed up not spec'ing the SRAM chain.
    Do you have the bolt on maxle or the one with the quick release lever on one side?

    Have you taken the axle and wheel off to see if the bearings spin freely without the wheel mounted? if they do spin freely, it is likely too much torque on the axle, which puts too much preload on the bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Do you have the bolt on maxle or the one with the quick release lever on one side?

    Have you taken the axle and wheel off to see if the bearings spin freely without the wheel mounted? if they do spin freely, it is likely too much torque on the axle, which puts too much preload on the bearings.
    As stated, it is the front wheel only. It has the allen head maxle. When torqued to the bottom end of specifications and even less than required, it starts to bind. It does it on both bikes. The wheel spins fine when torqued well below specs on or off the bike. Brakes are not rubbing.

    My bike, which has many more miles than my gf's, was taken into the LBS and I allowed them to go thru the whole process of checking for brake rubbing and checking the torque settings on the maxle. Their conclusion, there is an undue amount of drag and it is what it is.

    Quite frankly, I think it is not being noticed because of the weight of the tire and tube assisting in the rotation. Take the tire and tube off and mount the wheel torqued to the proper spec's and spin the wheel. I'll bet most people will be disheartened that their front wheel has so much drag. It is probably inconsequential on the trail, but it is in my head, and it just is not right.

    Anyone considering a Timberjack should be aware that the hubs are of marginal quality(or at least the front hub) and, of course, the chain sucks.

    I still love the bike, but it is frustrating that I am replacing parts to get the bike to function as it should from the factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    I allowed them to go thru the whole process of checking for brake rubbing and checking the torque settings on the maxle. Their conclusion, there is an undue amount of drag and it is what it is.
    LMAO what a response from the shop! The bearings are going to degrade pretty quickly. There should never be any noticeable drag on the hub bearings. That is not acceptable on a new bike and any reputable shop would contact Salsa/quality for warranty work.

    I fully believe you, but I got a different wheel set immediately because I wanted the blue frame color with 27.5+ wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    LMAO what a response from the shop! The bearings are going to degrade pretty quickly. There should never be any noticeable drag on the hub bearings. That is not acceptable on a new bike and any reputable shop would contact Salsa/quality for warranty work.

    I fully believe you, but I got a different wheel set immediately because I wanted the blue frame color with 27.5+ wheels.
    The stock 29 wheelset isn't much better. My front wheel literally shakes like a car with bad rotors when I grab the brake. The hub is tight but it clunks around when I grab a fist full of brake and move attempt to spin the wheel by hand. Building my 29 boost set tonight though so not to worried bout it.

    I also think I want to try that chain swap too. Twice this weekend when I would bomb down a hill at the bottom when I would go to pedal up the opposite side the chain would fall off the front chain ring and it would no longer be on the proper gear in the back..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    The stock 29 wheelset isn't much better. My front wheel literally shakes like a car with bad rotors when I grab the brake. The hub is tight but it clunks around when I grab a fist full of brake and move attempt to spin the wheel by hand. Building my 29 boost set tonight though so not to worried bout it.

    I also think I want to try that chain swap too. Twice this weekend when I would bomb down a hill at the bottom when I would go to pedal up the opposite side the chain would fall off the front chain ring and it would no longer be on the proper gear in the back..
    Yes, the 29r wheels on mine were horribly set up as well. At least the cone and locknut are easily adjustable. Riding them when too tight is going to wear out the bearing races very quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hwcn View Post
    PC-X1. I am also running the chain a little longer so that I can go back to the 30t upfront when I get stronger. I'm currently running a 28t front with a 11-46 Sunrace rear. I sized my chain to longest it would be to get the clutch on the derailleur engaged and provide tension.
    Thanks for the info! I am considering a 46t cassette as well.

    The hubs definitely seem a bit janky. I'll probably take mine into the shop and get thier opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squanchy View Post
    Thanks for the info! I am considering a 46t cassette as well.

    The hubs definitely seem a bit janky. I'll probably take mine into the shop and get thier opinion.
    Your welcome.

    My bike is about perfect. Shifting is great. I added a CB high line dropper post and swapped the stock bar and stem to a 40mm race face with an carbon Easton Haven 35mm bar with a 40mm rise. I just need to convert the rear to tubeless and I'll be good for a while.

    I just wish the front hub wasn't such crap.

    If the bikes geometry was just a bit higher in the bb, this would be perfect for me.

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    Well, got the wheels on. Cant touch the ground anymore.. 29x3 chupacabras fit well! Looking forward to riding it on the trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Well, got the wheels on. Cant touch the ground anymore.. 29x3 chupacabras fit well! Looking forward to riding it on the trails.
    Awesome! Do you have the rear dropouts all the way back? Which hubs did you end up getting?

    I just ordered a reverb dropper so my feet can touch the ground when getting on the bike. Yes i am a granny ッ\_(ツ)_/ッ
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Awesome! Do you have the rear dropouts all the way back? Which hubs did you end up getting?

    I just ordered a reverb dropper so my feet can touch the ground when getting on the bike. Yes i am a granny ッ\_(ツ)_/ッ
    Yes, the Alternator Plates are all the way back. I went with the SRAM 900 front and the Bike Hub store rear. the hubs there get lots of love on the forums and for 1$34 boost rear hub couldn't go wrong. Dropper post is on the want list though. Also thinking about going back to the stock stem or a smaller rise stem. I cut the steerer tube longer than the manitou fork so I have a shorter stem.

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    Anyone having issues with their front rotor rubbing? Before I get some smart ass response, my calipers are aligned and DO NOT rub while in the stand. They only rub when I sit on the bike and start rolling. It's a very minimal rub, but the noise drives me nuts. It's a "ping ping" type rub not a long drawn out rub. My rotor is straight, and my fork is a 35mm stancion RS Yari. Is the frame flexing enough to create the rub? Or is it something like a hub or my brakes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Rhett View Post
    Anyone having issues with their front rotor rubbing? Before I get some smart ass response, my calipers are aligned and DO NOT rub while in the stand. They only rub when I sit on the bike and start rolling. It's a very minimal rub, but the noise drives me nuts. It's a "ping ping" type rub not a long drawn out rub. My rotor is straight, and my fork is a 35mm stancion RS Yari. Is the frame flexing enough to create the rub? Or is it something like a hub or my brakes? I'm at a loss for words with this bike. I've had nothing but headaches with it since I've purchased it.
    Bummer about your frustrations... here come questions...

    Is your rotor true? Axle properly tensioned? Hub appropriately tightened?

    Did you build up a frame or swap the fork on a complete? Frame wouldn't cause the front brake to rub.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzler View Post
    Bummer about your frustrations... here come questions...

    Is your rotor true? Axle properly tensioned? Hub appropriately tightened?

    Did you build up a frame or swap the fork on a complete? Frame wouldn't cause the front brake to rub.


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    Also, what kind of brake calipers, pads, and rotors are you using? Does the front hub bearing roll smooth? People seem to be having issues with the stock front hub on the 27.5+ build.

    Based on the info you have given, my first thought is that the hub bearings are preloaded incorrectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Also, what kind of brake calipers, pads, and rotors are you using? Does the front hub bearing roll smooth? People seem to be having issues with the stock front hub on the 27.5+ build.

    Based on the info you have given, my first thought is that the hub bearings are preloaded incorrectly.
    My rotor is about as true as your going to get. My calipers are dialed in. I bought the bike as a complete and was having the same problem with the recon that came stock too. Rotors are 180 avid g2's, calipers are metallic, and I'm still using the stock SRAM front brakes. I've rocked the wheel back and fourth with no knocking or give. It's really frustrating, because I'm pretty knowledgeable and good with bikes, and I can't figure this thing out for the life of me.

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    Only other thing i can think of is that fhe wheel is flexing under load and causing the rotor to rub, if it did the same thing with the recon. I would eliminate the possibility that it is the front hub bearings making noise like others in this thread have stated.
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    Sorry to hear about your difficulties. I am not a mechanic, but I also know a lot about bikes and can do almost any repair. One exception, I don't [email protected]$k with disc brakes. Get em set up right, they will be quiet and smooth till you have to change the pads. Get them set up wrong, no end of headaches...I doubt you are flexing your stanchions enough to deform the path of the rotor, but could maybe be brake pads, or axle preload as suggested, most likely sounds like 'about as true' isn't enough for your rotor though. A skilled mechanic who really knows his sh&t will solve it for you (hopefully). Just don't take 'no' for an answer, and if your local shop can't solve it, take it to another. Weird things can happen with bikes and sometimes mfg defects can be hard to pin down. Mb they needed to face your caliper mounts? My point is more that it sounds like you tried all the easy or obvious stuff, may be time to go find a real expert. Also, bring them beer, it usually helps. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Only other thing i can think of is that fhe wheel is flexing under load and causing the rotor to rub, if it did the same thing with the recon. I would eliminate the possibility that it is the front hub bearings making noise like others in this thread have stated.
    Anyone know or have any idea about how burly these whiskey parts and co rims are? I know whiskey makes good stuff aftermarket wise, but I wasn't able to find any info on these no. 5 wheel sets. I'm 6'3 230 pounds (not a fatty, just work out) so I could see that maybe being the culprit if the rims are shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project_Mayhem View Post
    Get em set up right, they will be quiet and smooth till you have to change the pads. Get them set up wrong, no end of headaches..!
    Aint it the truth! I have never owned or workd on the sram brakes, so i dont have much other advice to offer. The 2 piece "floating" rotors are far and away better than any of the regular one piece steel rotors i have used both in performance and quietness.
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    Did a bikepack overnighter to test out the new 29x3 setup. Worked Great! hit 34MPH and those chupacabras just ride smooth! Took a small slider and scratched the new Reba though! Knock the new off it they say right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Did a bikepack overnighter to test out the new 29x3 setup. Worked Great! hit 34MPH and those chupacabras just ride smooth! Took a small slider and scratched the new Reba though! Knock the new off it they say right?
    Very nice! You have a tent in there or you sleeping under the stars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Yes, the Alternator Plates are all the way back.
    Are you able to move them forward at all? I am contemplating this frame for 29+ single speed. I don't want to run a tensioner, so I need to be able to start with the wheel as far forward as I can. My current wheels have 36mm internal width with Chupacabras. I can use a Dirt Wizard or similar narrower tire.

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    Fixed front brake rub problem.

    Fixed the brake rub issue I posted about last night. Turned out to be a loose bearing on the front hub. Bike is finally running pretty clean. Lets hope it stays that way.
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    This is my setup. six moon designs deschutes Tarp tent and enlightened equipment revelation quilt.

    Pretty light.

    Honestly, I overpacked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Are you able to move them forward at all? I am contemplating this frame for 29+ single speed. I don't want to run a tensioner, so I need to be able to start with the wheel as far forward as I can. My current wheels have 36mm internal width with Chupacabras. I can use a Dirt Wizard or similar narrower tire.
    Actually I am probably 1/8th from all the way back. I could probably slide forward a little more. I'll get you a pic tonight all the way back of clearance then move them forward as far as I can that still has decent clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Actually I am probably 1/8th from all the way back. I could probably slide forward a little more. I'll get you a pic tonight all the way back of clearance then move them forward as far as I can that still has decent clearance.
    That would be great. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhorocks View Post
    Actually I am probably 1/8th from all the way back. I could probably slide forward a little more. I'll get you a pic tonight all the way back of clearance then move them forward as far as I can that still has decent clearance.
    Sweet tent!

    Could you also post a pic of the front tire clearance on the fork? i am curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_joe View Post
    Sweet tent!

    Could you also post a pic of the front tire clearance on the fork? i am curious
    with the arc45 and chupacabras I let all the air out of the fork and tested clearance with no issues. I'll get you a pic though.

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