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    Ti El Mariachi?



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    More! Show us more!!!

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    Hey gomez- just so you know, David isn't a mariachi, nor is he made of titanium, although he does strike a nice "man of steel" pose there!
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    A traditional Mexican Musician, Named Tiberious......a Ti Mariachi?

    I love the way my steel mariachi rides......

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    Looks like I will become a Salsa homey next year!

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    and its 26" cousin Ala Carte.
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    wow for the El Mariachi! and wow for the Ala Carte! Ti it is

    been thinking about that main photo above, and we all know he's got 4 bikes and maybe more but is this also mean Salsa, BMC and URLY are in the same Team

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    Cool stuff and looking forward to seeing some in person - I'm sure the Ti frames will look even better than they appear online.
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    I look on the lynskey site reveals that the industrial mill finish is darker, and cooler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabeRacer
    wow for the El Mariachi! and wow for the Ala Carte! Ti it is

    been thinking about that main photo above, and we all know he's got 4 bikes and maybe more but is this also mean Salsa, BMC and URLY are in the same Team

    HA! No not quite. That's actually a photo taken in the courtyard of one of our dealers Topanga Creek Bicycles in Cali. They do rides and BBQ's on a regular basis and David was stopping in to partake in both. If you're in the area you should definately check them out. Great shop...Great folks....Great grillin' and chillin'.

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    Has anyone there tried slipping a NeoMoto 2.35 into one of the Ti Ala Carte frames to check the clearance? The steel version was too tight for actual riding when I checked one last year (tire flex would have rubbed paint off the inside of the stays).
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    I live in Australia Victoria Bobby, otherwise would love to drop-in and hangout with the Salsa tribe if thats cool. Looking forward to see them released (down under = Australia) in 2010. If you guys have a change to fly down here in Australia, tell Dirtworks to come and see us here in the state of Victoria for some Ride & Smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Has anyone there tried slipping a NeoMoto 2.35 into one of the Ti Ala Carte frames to check the clearance? The steel version was too tight for actual riding when I checked one last year (tire flex would have rubbed paint off the inside of the stays).
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    No, we have not tried that tire fitment. The Ala Carte is designed around a 26" MTB wheelsize (559), and will not accept 27.5 or 650B tires and wheels, nor do we recommend trying to fit them in.

    Both our steel and Ti models have clearance for 26x2.3 tires. I have verified the Ti frame with a Wolverine 2.2 mounted to a 30mm wide rim and it had more than enough clearance.

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    Looks kind of homogenized and generic

    ...in the pictures to be honest.Without the excellent Salsa stickers the aesthetics seem uninspiring to me. The industrial mill finish is not really visible in photographs. Beyond the aesthetics the blog says the geometry is the same. What is functionally different from past El Mariachis besides being titanium (weight and the likely deletion of the EBB). Is rear tire clearance similar or improved? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabeRacer
    tell Dirtworks to come and see us here in the state of Victoria for some Ride & Smile
    Yeah, tell Dirt Bandits to stop the bad joke pricing too. At the end of the day, we're just not that stupid down here and will continue to buy from the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
    ...in the pictures to be honest.Without the excellent Salsa stickers the aesthetics seem uninspiring to me. The industrial mill finish is not really visible in photographs. Beyond the aesthetics the blog says the geometry is the same. What is functionally different from past El Mariachis besides being titanium (weight and the likely deletion of the EBB). Is rear tire clearance similar or improved? Thanks.
    Hey tl1 -

    The geometry is the same intentionally. We feel our geometry is dialed in, and we love it. We also felt the steel El Mariachi was dialed in, so we intentionally kept the Ti model as close to the steel model as possible, purposely not making it different.

    As for tire clearance, the steel El Mariachi is able to clear a Racing Ralph 2.4, which is currently the largest tire in production, even though there are tires that have a stated size of 2.5 or higher.

    So to answer your overall question, no, there really isn't much of a difference other than frame material from the steel version. And we like it that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    DeeEight -

    No, we have not tried that tire fitment. The Ala Carte is designed around a 26" MTB wheelsize (559), and will not accept 27.5 or 650B tires and wheels, nor do we recommend trying to fit them in.

    Both our steel and Ti models have clearance for 26x2.3 tires. I have verified the Ti frame with a Wolverine 2.2 mounted to a 30mm wide rim and it had more than enough clearance.

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    That's funny, I have an '06 Ala carte (the orange one) and it handles a 650b Neo Moto 2.3 just fine - on Stans 355 rims. The only trouble is I don't like the tyres...
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    [email protected], are the fender/rack eyelets from the original El Mar going away?

    The current El Mar eyelets make it a tempting (and simpler) alternative to the Fargo for general commuting use, and I'm curious whether the Ti version will retain the eyelets.

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    Is there going to be a titanium fork available? EBB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdee
    Is there going to be a titanium fork available? EBB?
    No word on a titanium fork, but that would be sweet!

    Salsa says that for now, only a titanium geared only El Mariachi will be done with steel El Mariachi (s) to come. The wording wasn't clear as to whether there now would be two steel El Mars- one geared only/one SS only. I am betting it'll be like the past frames- with an EBB.

    Salsa said that if there is enough demand that a titanium single speed may be done in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdee
    Is there going to be a titanium fork available? EBB?
    Tim and Bobby are out so you get stuck with me to answer questions.

    Titanium fork? No. We make a very nice steel CroMoto Grande 29er fork.

    Braze ons for racks and fenders. The titanium Mariachi will not have additional braze ons.

    EBB? The ti bikes are geared only right now. As we've stated elsewhere, steel El Mariachi and Ala Cartes are in the works. We are not at a place to disclose details but we will tell you that the new steel versions will retain the geared or single capability.

    Ti single speed? We need to finish the new steel El Mariachi and Ala Carte first but plan to test ti single speed in 2010.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Tim and Bobby are out so you get stuck with me to answer questions.

    Titanium fork? No. We make a very nice steel CroMoto Grande 29er fork.

    Braze ons for racks and fenders. The titanium Mariachi will not have additional braze ons.

    EBB? The ti bikes are geared only right now. As we've stated elsewhere, steel El Mariachi and Ala Cartes are in the works. We are not at a place to disclose details but we will tell you that the new steel versions will retain the geared or single capability.

    Ti single speed? We need to finish the new steel El Mariachi and Ala Carte first but plan to test ti single speed in 2010.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Titanium fork? No. We make a very nice steel CroMoto Grande 29er fork.
    Yall also make a very nice steel El Mariachi 29er frame , But yall decided to ad a Titanium one!

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    The ti bikes are geared only right now.
    Do you have a price for that frame?
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    Ti single speed? We need to finish the new steel El Mariachi and Ala Carte first but plan to test ti single speed in 2010.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdee
    Yall also make a very nice steel El Mariachi 29er frame , But yall decided to ad a Titanium one!


    Do you have a price for that frame?
    So Salsa is going to have a Titanium single speed?
    The Ti El Mariachi (geared) will have a MSRP of $1800, from what I've been told. There very well may be a singlespeed-capable titanium version at some point in the future, but they have not made any announcements as to such a frame's planned availability. Don't hold your breath... The steel El Mariachi is your best bet for going single.

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    Trying to ressurect this thread. Has anyone heard if there is an El Mariachi single speed titanium version yet? Salsa, if you're reading this you have a buyer as soon as it is built. I would prefer horizontal drops or sliders, but wouldn't rule out an EBB. Gracias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC29er
    Trying to ressurect this thread. Has anyone heard if there is an El Mariachi single speed titanium version yet? Salsa, if you're reading this you have a buyer as soon as it is built. I would prefer horizontal drops or sliders, but wouldn't rule out an EBB. Gracias.
    I don't think a singlespeed version of the Ti frame is going to be an imminent release, but if you're a betting person, I think it'd be a good bet to make that one will materialize at some point. That said, I'd bet against it having an EBB. They've moved away from it on the steel bike, so I'd be surprised if they went with one on the Ti bike.
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    Good job!

    Any hope is good news. I guess I'll have to stay happy with my tRUSTY steel frame for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC29er
    Any hope is good news. I guess I'll have to stay happy with my tRUSTY steel frame for now.
    The best thing you can do is to keep asking for it... It won't guarantee the frame will happen, but knowing buyers are waiting is a good thing for them to know. And I do know they listen to their customer feedback carefully.
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    anyone got pricing on the Ti EL MAriachi frames?

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    does anyone know the real weight of an xl?

    i read 3.11 on the salsa homepage. dang!! that would be light!!

    is that for real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC23
    anyone got pricing on the Ti EL MAriachi frames?

    Just ordered up from LBS $1700, should be here in a week!!! If the XL is at 3.11, I can't wait to see waht my M will come in at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lejeune
    does anyone know the real weight of an xl?

    i read 3.11 on the salsa homepage. dang!! that would be light!!

    is that for real?
    no that is not correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1993gsxr907
    no that is not correct

    3.11 is what they say.... if not correct , it is heavier i suppose.

    bigga difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lejeune
    3.11 is what they say....
    Nope, our stated weight for the XL is 3lbs, 11 oz. This is not the same as 3.11. 3lbs, 11oz is actually 3.7lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Nope, our stated weight for the XL is 3lbs, 11 oz. This is not the same as 3.11. 3lbs, 11oz is actually 3.7lbs.
    that makes 1.68 kg...

    confusing for someone who is used to the metrical system (like me )



    but thanks for the clear answer!

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    Is there a weight limit on the El Mariachi in XL?

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Is there a weight limit on the El Mariachi in XL?
    Great question
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    What is the availability of the Ti El Mar?

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    Any news on the release of a Ti El Mariachi single speed, preferably a complete bike?

    Anyone running a Ti El Mar as a ss using an EBB?

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    No, but have you seen the Salsa Titanium Selma single speed?

    http://salsacycles.com/bikes/selma_ti/

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    Looks nice but I was hoping for a complete bike rather than building one. Salsa's complete bikes are a great value. And a complete bike would save me from the "while I'm at its" and "might as wells" of a custom build.

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    They built a prototype single speed with a slider and showed it at interbike last show. I wasn't there but someone at Salsa ( I can't remember his name ) emailed me directly about it because it was his personal bike. I'm still waiting for them to produce it. If you email them from their site they will get back to you. Good company with real world cyclist roots. The more we email them the more likely it is to be built. Till then the market is pretty lited for Ti ss 29ers, and what is out there I either wasn't a fan of, or can't afford.

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    Lited? Limited. Whoops.

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    That would be awesome if the titanium El Mariachi came with the same swinging dropouts as the steel version. Seems like that would be the best solution to having a single speed Ti El Mar (as long as there isn't a technical reason why they did not include the swinging dropouts in the first place).

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    That's what I'm hoping for too. So fill up their inbox with requests for it!

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    The TI Selma is essentially the same as the TI El Mar, just no cable stops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanbike
    The TI Selma is essentially the same as the TI El Mar, just no cable stops.
    The Selma Ti has swinging dropouts while the El Mar Ti does not. The geometry of the Selma Ti is also slightly different than the El Mar Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icaro2000
    The Selma Ti has swinging dropouts while the El Mar Ti does not. The geometry of the Selma Ti is also slightly different than the El Mar Ti.
    Actually, there is a post from Salsa in another thread that states the frames are the same other than the dropouts and cable stays. I'd probably buy a Selma Ti complete bike, but would prefer it if it had cable stops so that it could also be run as a geared bike.

    In the end, i dont care if its called a Selma Ti or El Mar Ti, as long as it could be run SS and geared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki
    Actually, there is a post from Salsa in another thread that states the frames are the same other than the dropouts and cable stays. I'd probably buy a Selma Ti complete bike, but would prefer it if it had cable stops so that it could also be run as a geared bike.

    In the end, i dont care if its called a Selma Ti or El Mar Ti, as long as it could be run SS and geared.
    I was only going by the geometry charts for both bikes on Salsa's website. Almost the same exact geometry but slightly different wheel base and chainstay lengths. Check it out for yourself.

    The large El Mariachi Ti has a wheel base length of 43.96".
    The large Selma Ti has a wheel base length of 43.56".

    The chainstay length on the large El Mar Ti is 17.71".
    The chainstay length on the large Selma Ti is 17.32".

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    From Salsa Cycles:

    I agree the posted measurements are different. But I'll take Salsa at its word. The post below was a March 2001 post from Salsa in the 29er sub-forum:

    "Hey guys -

    We intentionally designed two different frames in titanium, as we felt that the titanium buyer was more discerning as to what they wanted.

    The frames are almost the same, other than the El Mariachi is for geared setups with a vertical dropout, and the Selma is with Alternator dropouts and no cable stops for derailleurs. Other than that, the two frames are the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icaro2000
    I was only going by the geometry charts for both bikes on Salsa's website. Almost the same exact geometry but slightly different wheel base and chainstay lengths. Check it out for yourself.

    The large El Mariachi Ti has a wheel base length of 43.96".
    The large Selma Ti has a wheel base length of 43.56".

    The chainstay length on the large El Mar Ti is 17.71".
    The chainstay length on the large Selma Ti is 17.32".
    This is because we measure chainstay length on the bikes with Alternator dropouts with the dropout in the far forward position. However, most folks do not actually run it there, they will have it somewhere in its 17mm range of adjustment for their chain tension.

    Law of averages means they are "close", or as close as they can be since one of them has an adjustable chainstay length.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    This is because we measure chainstay length on the bikes with Alternator dropouts with the dropout in the far forward position. However, most folks do not actually run it there, they will have it somewhere in its 17mm range of adjustment for their chain tension.

    Law of averages means they are "close", or as close as they can be since one of them has an adjustable chainstay length.
    Gotch'ya. I hadn't thought of that. Swinging dropouts are new to me.

    So is there any chance of seeing the titanium el mariachi with the same swinging dropouts as the steel el mar? It would be awesome to have the option to go either geared or single speed on the titanium frame without having to use zip ties in order to run it geared.

    Btw, I am loving my new El Mar complete!

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