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    The Salsa Fargo Thread

    Here's the Fargo in action. post yours when you get it here...



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    great looking rig - can you get the Fargo from a LBS now?

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    Thanks GT, here are a few pics of mine

    I've got almost 300 pictures of the Fargo. Heck, it might even be 400. OK, maybe even 500. I've even got a couple of you riding one! I love this bike. Since frames just started shipping last week. I'm sure some crazy builds will show up here. Let's try to keep this thread to pictures. If you've got some specific questions, create a new post. We all need more pics.

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    Nice bikes. More pictures please. Would love to see one with front and rear racks.

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    Here's mine. Apologies for the poor quality photo; it's a cell phone camera.

    This is my first nice bike. I've been riding MTBs off and on for 15 years, but they were both totally stock, much lower end bikes. I wanted to get a good do-it-all bike for my 40th birthday, with bias toward something that would work for bike camping and long gravel road exploration. I know very little (read: next to nothing) about components, bike fit, or bike technology in general, but when I saw the photos of the Fargo, it was love at first sight.

    I ordered a frame from the regional Salsa dealer and they assured me I'd be getting one of the very first ones. I relied on their advice along with the factory bike specs, and had them build it for me. It's very similar to the factory complete bike, except that the wheels are the Salsa Delgado 29er Race model, and the shifters are different. Oh, and I got the Thudbuster ST after seeing it on the Gnat blog.

    I've had it for about 5 days, and thus far I've done some town cruising, a couple of hours of singletrack, and some laps on a local cyclocross course. So far it's a blast. It feels like it's glued to the ground, but fast. I have no idea how a bike like this should fit, so I'm open to suggestions. Right after taking the photo I lowered the handlebars to one spacer above the bottom, and it seems OK. I have very short legs for my height (5'11", 30" inseam), so the sloping top tube is really nice for me.

    The bike handles really well on singletrack, but the clearance is a little low for many of the trails around here. I'm sure it's probably set up this way to enhance stability while touring, which is fine with me.

    I have a Surly rear rack and a frame bag on order for it. So far two people have independently named it my "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome Bike", which I think fits it quite well.

    PS: I'm also soliciting recommendations on fenders that will work with racks.
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    My rolling chassis is up and I hope to get her strung up tonight. The stem set-up is temp while I figure out where I want to end up and how I want to get there. I wish you could buy a nice stem with more rise than 15 degrees. Not that Dimension isn't the last word in quality hardware or anything.

    Big rubber looks good on it! Plenty of clearance with Rampages.
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    SanJuan,

    Congrats on being the first rider to get one of these built and spend some time on it beyond one of us "industry folk"! The setup looks fantastic, simple and practical. From your photo it appears that the bar height is good for primary use in the drops. There is no "perfect" method for this. Try different things, rely on your shop and folks that you trust for advice and you'll figure it out.

    The BB is low and you nailed it on the "why"? If it is cranks that your hitting, shorter arms would help. If it is chainrings and you find yourself not using the big ring, or wanting to ride more aggresive singletrack you could always drop the big ring and put on a bashguard.

    The "Mad Max" analogy is great! I've heard some others as well. When people have asked me "what is that?" I've been calling the Fargo the "#@$% Kicker", threatened to ride it at a local cross event and ride through the barriers, and my favorite yet, enter a local criterium event on it. The bikes is tough, versatile, and super fun!

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    Go Kart,
    Come on man! SanJuan's got his built and is riding it, what are you waiting for? Seriously. I can't wait to hear to what people think of them as they get out there and get some time on the bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    I wish you could buy a nice stem with more rise than 15 degrees.
    Um, yo who! Look at the name on the frame. Salsa. They make stems too, yeah, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuanswan
    PS: I'm also soliciting recommendations on fenders that will work with racks.
    Planet Bike Cascadia 29er's will get 'er done with the Nice rack.


    More inspiration for ya'll:

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3023226215/" title="Salsa Fargo by capt.deadsailor, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/3023226215_b08404607b_o.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="Salsa Fargo" /></a>

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    can you post this picture in full color?
    thanks

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    This is my new favorite thread!

    I probably won't be able to get one any time soon, as it has more than doubled in price due to the collapse of my country's currency (think $5-6k for a complete).

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Salsa Fargo Build

    I don't have my Fargo frame yet, but when I do get it, this is how I intend to build it up. It's going to be slightly different from other builds I've seen so far.... The most glaring difference will be my H-bars (not drop bars), hydraulic disc brakes, and vintage friction thumb shifters. I'm hoping to see some very creative variations out there... Here's what my Fargo will look like:

    Fargo frame and fork, size Large (I'm 6'1", 34-inch inseam)
    Thomson Elite seatpost (410mm long)
    Brooks B17 Special saddle (honey color)
    Chris King headset
    Salsa Cromoto stem (length and pitch TBD, to fit)
    Titec H-bar handlebar, wrapped
    Shimano hydraulic disc brakes and levers (Deore/LX)
    Vintage 1985 Suntour XC thumbshifters (friction, non-indexed)
    Shimano SLX front and rear derailleurs
    Shimano SLX crankset (44/32/22 teeth)
    SRAM 9-speed cassette
    Rims: Stan's ZTR Flow 36-hole rim with tubeless rim tape
    Front wheel: Schmidt Nabendynamo (Son28) disc generator hub
    Rear wheel: Phil Wood disc cassette hub
    Spokes: DT Swiss double-butted
    Road Tires: Schwalbe Big Apple 29 x 2.35, tubeless (yes, tubeless)
    Off-road Tires: Panaracer Rampage 29 x 2.35, tubeless
    Fenders (when needed): Planet Bike Cascadia
    Rear rack - Tubus Logo
    Front rack - TBD, need recommendations. Must coexist with my lowrider Tubus Tara rack
    Lights - Home-built J-Dro 3-LED handlebar-mounted generator light (it ROCKS!)
    Pedals - Dual-sided cage/SPD pedals

    Additional bling:
    Niner bottle cap stem cap (because you are what you drink)
    Japanese brass stem-spacer bell

    Now how cool is that gonna be?

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    frame size

    Go Kart Motzart, what size frame is that?


    My rolling chassis is up and I hope to get her strung up tonight. The stem set-up is temp while I figure out where I want to end up and how I want to get there. I wish you could buy a nice stem with more rise than 15 degrees. Not that Dimension isn't the last word in quality hardware or anything.

    Big rubber looks good on it! Plenty of clearance with Rampages.[/QUOTE]

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    Another one:
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    Quote Originally Posted by threesixeight
    Go Kart Motzart, what size frame is that?
    Sorry, I just now saw your post.

    My Fargo is a large and seems like it will fit quite nice (6 ft.), but the bars will need to come up just a shade more. I will be in the drops most of the time on this bike.

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    Is your frame bag a Carousel Design Works? I'm fascinated by those. Salsa should make a production frame bag for this bike.

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    large

    Nice looking bike. I like the length of the headtube on your size Large. I may have to go XL though. I am always between sizes. Oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Sorry, I just now saw your post.

    My Fargo is a large and seems like it will fit quite nice (6 ft.), but the bars will need to come up just a shade more. I will be in the drops most of the time on this bike.

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    subscriiiiiiiibed.

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    I posted this and some observations in the 29er forum, but didn't know how many of you even visited over there.

    Fargo is done. Fun bike. Need to dial in the stem/fit thing a bit, but it's gonna be agood bike that I own for a long time.



    Fargo action vid!

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    awesome video go kart. Got more?
    Just a regular guy.

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    couple-a-fargos

    I'm finally getting a few fall miles in on my Fargo and have to say I'm totally digging it. We've put one together for the wife also to replace her cyclocross bike with something more trail friendly and have eliminated toe overlap in the process which is a big deal for her. My Schnauzer loves them too and can't wait to get out in her tail wagon for a trail ride soon.
    Mine is large built up with a shimano mix of bar ends and xt/xtr drivetrain, Sugino cranks Hope/Stans wheels with Captain 2.2s tubeless.
    I went with a 172.5 crank to help with ground strikes but I've spent a lot of time on a cross bike on the same trails so I'm pretty good at keeping them to a minimum. I'd even try a set of 170s if I could get them cheap enough.
    Wife's is a small with the build kit pulled from her cross bike other than the disc brakes and pink king stuff. We just got it together and with company in town for the holidays she hasn't gotten out yet.

    My home trails are the same ones that the salsa crew ride to work as I live in Bloomington so it's safe to say these bikes have seen a few miles on our river trails around here. It works really really well down there and I'm thinking that it'd be perfect for the Fat Tire 40 if I happen to get in.

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    That's definitely my kind of build. Functional without being too flashy. What size is yours for reference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    That's definitely my kind of build. Functional without being too flashy. What size is yours for reference?
    Quote Originally Posted by PMC
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    Mine is large...
    Wife's is a small...
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    Fargo Vid

    GKM:

    No doubt you've got it dialed in, dude... Nice vid (and nice solo camera technique... I like).

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    You got it, small and a large. I was stoked to actually get my hands on one of each from the first batch.

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    Nice Rides

    Still waiting here, but really enjoying seeing all the other builds so far.

    Estimated date is December 8 right now for the medium I pre-ordered..

    Have almost everything accounted for so far, just have to work out the details on the build..

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    PMC:

    Nice "Mr and Mrs Fargos"... Mind my asking your dimensions (ie height and inseam)? Also, is that stem length and angle working for you? Thanks,
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    MCB - I'm 6'1" with an 89cm inseam, saddle height is around 78.5cm. I ended up with a 8cm 90 degree stem thinking I had bought a 9cm but it seems to be working pretty good so I'm keeping it. I'd usually ride something longer than an 8 or 9 on a road bike but it really works on this bike. You can't really tell from the photo but the bars are a bit higher than the saddle, probably an inch higher which seems to work pretty good but I don't think I would go any higher.

    On my road and cross bikes the cockpit is set up longer and lower, I'd run a 120mm stem with about 3.5 inches of drop if all other measurements were equal.

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    Latest variation



    Here's the latest incarnation. Crossmax 29"er hoops, Geax TNT Saguaro tires tubeless. 180mm front rotor. Rides like a dream!
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    Racks, anyone?

    Slightly disappointed at a seeming lack of front rack options for the Fargo... So far, aside from the Nitto (M18?) front rack from the Interbike model, I've neither heard nor seen few other front rack options. Anyone run a Nice Rack on the front? (I know the rear Nice Rack fits, but concerned about front disc brake interference). Also, has anyone tried installing a Tubus Tara lowrider yet?

    In particular I would like to install a light load rack that fastens via the mid-fork braze-ons (like the M18, but a little less spendy) for everyday riding, AND also have the option of adding the Tara for more loaded riding.

    I may end up making my own... Any ideas? Thx!

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    The fargo is looking good

    The fargo is looking good GTed. Is that a Medium Frame?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted


    Here's the latest incarnation. Crossmax 29"er hoops, Geax TNT Saguaro tires tubeless. 180mm front rotor. Rides like a dream!

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    Slightly disappointed at a seeming lack of front rack options for the Fargo... So far, aside from the Nitto (M18?) front rack from the Interbike model, I've neither heard nor seen few other front rack options. Anyone run a Nice Rack on the front? (I know the rear Nice Rack fits, but concerned about front disc brake interference). Also, has anyone tried installing a Tubus Tara lowrider yet?

    In particular I would like to install a light load rack that fastens via the mid-fork braze-ons (like the M18, but a little less spendy) for everyday riding, AND also have the option of adding the Tara for more loaded riding.

    I may end up making my own... Any ideas? Thx!

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    Some of the photos of the Salsa guys' Fargos show a Velo-Orange Porteur rack installed on the front.

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    bar end shifter compatibility

    This may be a silly question, but are the bar con shifters compatible with SRAM ders? I would like to shift over parts, but I'm running X9 rear and it's virtually new. Would I have to get something from the big "S" or would the combination of barcons and SRAM work? Anybody trying this?

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    Racks, Here's the load.

    Front Racks First...
    Compatible and tested:
    - Surly Nice Rack (Serious Loading)
    - Velo Orange Porteur (Light Touring large load capacity)
    - Tubus Duo (Touring with Panniers)
    - Nitto M18 (light touring, I don't understand the allure)

    Rear Racks...
    Compatible and Tested
    - Jandd Expedition models
    - Surly Nice Rack
    - Tubus Cargo

    More details... Front Racks are tough. The 29er tire doesn't allow for lowrider racks with a stabilizing front loop that goes over the tire. Most of these racks were not designed with a 29 in mind, just a 35 and a fender. This is why the Tubus Duo is great. It mounts to both sides of the mid-blade mount to stabilize the rack with a load on it.

    I've run the VO Porteur extensively and I love it! It is great for around town errands, commuting, some touring. It will work with panniers, but puts the load high. Heavy, high loads do not ride well. I have however picked up my CSA (Large box of vegetables) multiple times with the Portuer rack. I Love It!

    We have also run the Surly Nice Rack and Nitto M18 extensively. GNAT road the m18 with a small dry bag strapped in, this seemed to work well for clothing and light loads. He'll have to comment. I haven't heard much on the Nice Rack, although it clearly mounts up and will handle large loads. It is expedition worthy and over-built for 99% of us, but will clearly serve needs.

    Rear Racks are much easier. We designed the dropout eyelet to be in a position so 99% of racks out there would clear the 29 tire. So you will very easily find one to fit. The difficult point here is the attachment to the seatstay. You may need long mounting straps if your rack doesn't come with them. This is a result of seatstay position in relation to the rack caused by a shorter seat tube and increased standover of the frame. Geek stuff, but trust me on this, make sure your mounting struts or straps are long enough!

    Frame Bags are also a great idea to consider...Eric at EpicDesigns does great bags, as does Jeff at Carousel.
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    Nope. Not compatible. Unless you choose to run them in friction that is. Even the SRAM barends won't work as the road line pulls a different cable amount vs. the Mtn stuff.
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    Jtek makes a shiftmate that supposedly works with Shimano 9 shifters, cassette and SRAM 1:1 Mtb derailleurs.
    http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate_straight.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by threesixeight
    The fargo is looking good GTed. Is that a Medium Frame?
    The frame I am running is a Large size. Thanks for the kind words!
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    Hey GT, How "Big a Boy are ya"? What is your inseam, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Hey GT, How "Big a Boy are ya"? What is your inseam, etc?
    I am 6'1" and my "cycling inseam" is a hair over 34". My saddle height from the center of the BB is 31" and my measurement from the saddles center to the centerline of the stem bar clamp is 28". (Normally it is 28", on this Fargo it is 27")
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    would a medium fit...

    if I have a 30" inseam? I've read that Salsa tends to run a little big, at least as far as the cross bikes go (the compact sizing and all) so would a medium allow me to place the bars at the correct height to ride the drops most of the time?

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    I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam and the medium works for me.

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    Zarf, Is the frame bag pictured here custom? I noticed Jandd makes one in a similar size...

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    No custom, that straight up IS the Jandd bag. They are sweet little packs.

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    Ok, so now that there are quite a few of you who have logged a decent number of miles on this bike I have a survey of sorts for all of you. Because of the versatility designed into this bike I'm curious what range of uses and setups people are going for with their Fargo.

    This is part curiosity and part research since I'm looking at getting one of these when the completes hit in February. My use will be commuting, occasional bike camping and exploration ride. Not much in the way of unpaved roads in my area. Just pavement or singletrack.

    That said:
    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...)

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.)

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:
    A. Which model bar you prefer.
    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference.
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup.

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc...

    The third question may be really helpful to others not yet riding this bike. I'm curious myself how people are setting up the bars when they ride both pavement and dirt. Are you putting them up high to use the drops off road and sacrificing comfortable road positions?

    Fill me in while I wait through the winter. Thanks!


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    Has anyone done a road trip on a Fargo yet? Loaded? I'm looking for a bike to cross the country and possibly do the CDT some day & the Fargo seems perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...)
    So far I've ridden paved roads, dirt roads, technical singletrack, non-technical singletrack, and a cyclocross course (not racing). Planned: on-road and off-road touring.

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.)
    So far, probably 60% pavement, 20% singletrack, 20% other. It's really sloppy here right now, so I'll be doing mostly road riding for a while.

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:
    A. Which model bar you prefer.
    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference.
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup.
    I have the Salsa drop bars, set up pretty high in relation to the seat. I have little choice in this matter without changing stems: I have short legs and my saddle is quite low, but the stem is set up only one spacer above the head tube.

    I still ride roads on the hoods; most of the time on the trail is in the drops.

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc...
    I have a Surly rear rack and an Epic Designs frame bag. I've never had a bike with either before, so I don't have much feedback. The Surly rack is pretty heavy and I do seem to notice that it's there when riding singletrack.

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    Jtek makes a shiftmate that supposedly works with Shimano 9 shifters, cassette and SRAM 1:1 Mtb derailleurs.
    http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate_straight.htm
    The following is an email chain with Jay Guthrie of JTek Engineering:

    Original Email:
    I would like to use a Shimano 9 speed bar end shifter with a mountain bike SRAM x.9 rear derailleur. Would the ShiftMate Straight model #6S be the correct item? I prefer to use the straight over the regular ShiftMate.

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    Smile My New Fargo

    AT LONG LAST, my Fargo frame and fork arrived this week. After several long evenings in the labora-tree, I finally emerged yesterday in the waning daylight hours to reveal my newest Franken-creation.... BEHOLD, THE LAND BEAST...... IT LIVES!!!!

    <img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/3105921478_3fec1f3500.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Salsa Fargo" /></a>

    <img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/3105088433_02c49e5960.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Land Beast 2" /></a>

    See the full set of photos and build information at Flickr.com
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    Now... to answer ATXSS's questions:

    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...) <b>YES, plus urban assault...</b>

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.) <b> Sorry, that is a silly question, and I refuse to answer it... To suggest that the Land Beast could possibly be confined to one over the other is utterly absurd....</b>

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:

    A. Which model bar you prefer. <b> Titec H-bar... haven't tried anything else, but can't imagine a better setup...</b>

    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference. <b> I subscribe to the "Grant Peterson philosophy", that suggests bar height should be at or above seat height for maximum comfort. My bar is close to seat height, but I am taking it one step further, adding a higher rise Thomson stem, resulting in a slightly shorter and higher reach. </b>

    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup.
    <b> N/A... Hoods? We don't need no stinkin hoods... But I do spend about 10% of my time with hands resting on the bars over the hydraulic reservoirs (which I guess qualifies as my hoods, right???) </b>

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc... <b> Yet to be installed, but here is my diabolical plan: Tubus Logo - rear, Tubus Tara - front (with some necessary customization to the fender), and an Axiom Odysee disc rack, Franken-rigged as a front porteur rack, taking advantage of the mid-fork brazes.... Mbwaahaaahaa!!! </b>

    And please pardon the cynical answers, ATXSS.... I'm still giddy from finishing this build, and having way too much fun riding it!!!! Thanks, and Peace,

    MBB

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    And please pardon the cynical answers, ATXSS.... I'm still giddy from finishing this build, and having way too much fun riding it!!!! Thanks, and Peace,

    MBB
    No worries mate. That truly is a one-of-a-kind setup you've got there. I'm sure it suits you well. Enjoy it!

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    Ugh. I sooooo want one of these.

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    Does everything look OK?

    Hi, Sorry to take up so much space. I wanted to post my LBS proposed build for my Fargo (within my budget) to see if anybody thought anything should be tweaked?

    1.) 2008 XT FC-M770 170mm 44,32,22 crnkst w/bb OE
    2.) 2008 XT M771-SGS Top normal Rear Der OE
    3.) XT M771 Trad Dual-pull Multi clamp Front Der
    4.) XT M770 9spd 11-34t Cassette OE
    5.) SRAM PC971 9spd chain Silver/Gray
    6.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    7.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    8.) Tektro RL520 Ergo Rd Brk Levers Blk for LP brakes
    9.) D/ACE SL-BS77 9SP Bar End Shifters
    10.) Ft700c Deore XT M756, 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    11.) Rr700c Deore XT M756 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    12.) Cane Creek S-8 1-1/8" Blk threadless headset
    13.) Cane Creek Thudbuster ST 27.2x450mm 33mm travel
    14.) Salsa Moto Ace Bell Lap 44cm 26.0 Anatomic BLK
    15.) Cinelli cork tape, blk, OE Pack
    16.) Salsa Thrdlss SUL 26.0 110mm 90d CroMoto Stem
    17.) Included Road brake cable set for DreamCycle
    18.) Included Road Deraillure cable set for DreamCycle
    19.) WTB Speed V ProGel Saddle Black Steel
    20.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    21.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    22.) Bike Build Shop Supplies
    23.) New Custom Reusable Bike
    24.) BikeBuilder Comp Level Assembly Labor
    25.) Jag Slick Stainless Der Wire 3100 mm Shimano Head
    26.) Jag Slick Stainless Brk Wire 2750mm Shimano Road
    27.) Salsa 09 Fargo Frameset, Medium (575tt)
    28.) Q 29" x 1.9-2.3" 32mm PV tube

    Also I wanted to thank G-Ted and GNAT for putting up with all my stupid e mail questions. You guys were very gracious. G-Ted I also wanted to comment on your recent blog concerning snow bike envy. I think everyone should have a snow bike, they are FUN 365 days a year no matter where you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Hi, Sorry to take up so much space. I wanted to post my LBS proposed build for my Fargo (within my budget) to see if anybody thought anything should be tweaked?

    1.) 2008 XT FC-M770 170mm 44,32,22 crnkst w/bb OE
    2.) 2008 XT M771-SGS Top normal Rear Der OE
    3.) XT M771 Trad Dual-pull Multi clamp Front Der
    4.) XT M770 9spd 11-34t Cassette OE
    5.) SRAM PC971 9spd chain Silver/Gray
    6.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    7.) Avid 09 BB7 Disc Brk Mtn Frt/Rear 160mm Rotor
    8.) Tektro RL520 Ergo Rd Brk Levers Blk for LP brakes
    9.) D/ACE SL-BS77 9SP Bar End Shifters
    10.) Ft700c Deore XT M756, 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    11.) Rr700c Deore XT M756 36h Velocity Blunt, Sil
    12.) Cane Creek S-8 1-1/8" Blk threadless headset
    13.) Cane Creek Thudbuster ST 27.2x450mm 33mm travel
    14.) Salsa Moto Ace Bell Lap 44cm 26.0 Anatomic BLK
    15.) Cinelli cork tape, blk, OE Pack
    16.) Salsa Thrdlss SUL 26.0 110mm 90d CroMoto Stem
    17.) Included Road brake cable set for DreamCycle
    18.) Included Road Deraillure cable set for DreamCycle
    19.) WTB Speed V ProGel Saddle Black Steel
    20.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    21.) WTB Vulpine 2.1 (50/52) 29" Race Tire
    22.) Bike Build Shop Supplies
    23.) New Custom Reusable Bike
    24.) BikeBuilder Comp Level Assembly Labor
    25.) Jag Slick Stainless Der Wire 3100 mm Shimano Head
    26.) Jag Slick Stainless Brk Wire 2750mm Shimano Road
    27.) Salsa 09 Fargo Frameset, Medium (575tt)
    28.) Q 29" x 1.9-2.3" 32mm PV tube

    Also I wanted to thank G-Ted and GNAT for putting up with all my stupid e mail questions. You guys were very gracious. G-Ted I also wanted to comment on your recent blog concerning snow bike envy. I think everyone should have a snow bike, they are FUN 365 days a year no matter where you live.
    The only question I would ask is about the Rims and Bars you have selected. The velocity blunts used to (still have?) a reputation for being a little soft and possibly slightly undersized, leading to tire mounting problems and flexiness. I would look at the Salsa Semi or possibly a DT Swiss rim instead of the velocities personally.

    The bars are a personal choice, but they have a fairly deep drop which might require a pretty high stem and/or spacer setup to accomodate. A more flared choice like the Origin 8 or On*One Midge would be a little shallower drop, but you lose a nice, wide hood position, so there's a compromise there too.

    Your build as posted should make for a nice ride..

    My medium frameset just showed up yesterday and I'll be getting it together over the next couple of days. Mine will be more of a mish-mash build, 2x9, etc. Probably the origin 8 bars with STI, XTR rear, Coda 2x crankset, 29/42 rings and a DT Swiss wheelset. Still need a front derailleur and probably a new chain for the setup...

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    1. List off what you use your Fargo for (e.g. Commuting, road touring, off road touring, technical singletrack riding, etc...)

    So far I have used mine for commuting, exploring urban areas, gravel rides, and single track rides. Bikepacking/touring is on the agenda for 2009.

    2. What percentage of your riding spent on each surface type (e.g. paved road vs. dirt road vs technical singletrack.)

    So far I would estimate it at one third off road, one third paved, and one third gravel/dirt road.

    3. What is your bar setup for the types of riding listed above? Specificallly:
    A. Which model bar you prefer. Midge Bar
    B. How high you have it setup compared with either a typcial road drop or MTB drop setup that you have previously used, or describe the height compared to the saddle for reference. I have the drop section at three inches below the nose of the saddle. I primarily use the drop section.
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup. Again, a proper off road drop set up is one where you will use the drops at least 80% of the time. The rest of that is split up between the hoods and the top of the bar next to the stem.

    4. optional: what type of cargo system you use with this bike. front or rear rack, frame bag, etc... I will be using some sort of off the shelf cromoly rear rack and a custom designed steel front rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    ..................

    Also I wanted to thank G-Ted and GNAT for putting up with all my stupid e mail questions. You guys were very gracious. G-Ted I also wanted to comment on your recent blog concerning snow bike envy. I think everyone should have a snow bike, they are FUN 365 days a year no matter where you live.
    Hey! You are very welcome. No worries on the e-mails. I was glad I could help out.

    As for the fat bike, probably some day it will happen. They look like waaay too much fun to not give it a try at some point.
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    Hey GT & Gnat, are you guys going to ride your Fargo's at Dirty Kanza this year? It would be nice to see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    C. Percentage of time spent in the drops vs. the hoods or tops with this setup. Again, a proper off road drop set up is one where you will use the drops at least 80% of the time. The rest of that is split up between the hoods and the top of the bar next to the stem.
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    Thanks for the feedback Ted. I'm familiar with a typical dirt drop setup. That is what has me so curious why most of the Fargo owners I've seen online so far have stuck with the Salsa Bell Lap bars. It looks like most folks are setting them up high enough for off road riding and I'm wondering how usable the hoods are for most folks in this position because it seems to me like the would be too high for a usable position.

    I guess I'm curious why people aren't either 1. lowering the bell laps for a more standard "cyclocross" position or 2. switching to dedicated dirt drops (WTB, on-one, etc...) with the bars so high.

    Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing and people are just running what the bike shipped with at this point until we all figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Hey GT & Gnat, are you guys going to ride your Fargo's at Dirty Kanza this year? It would be nice to see them.
    I would dearly love to do just that. It all depends upon how fit I come out of the winter.

    Gnat has mentioned to me that this is on his radar, but I can't speak for him. I hope he gives it a whirl. I know he'd love it.

    I'll probably sign up regardless. If it all pans out, I would have to bring the Fargo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Thanks for the feedback Ted. I'm familiar with a typical dirt drop setup. That is what has me so curious why most of the Fargo owners I've seen online so far have stuck with the Salsa Bell Lap bars. It looks like most folks are setting them up high enough for off road riding and I'm wondering how usable the hoods are for most folks in this position because it seems to me like the would be too high for a usable position.

    I guess I'm curious why people aren't either 1. lowering the bell laps for a more standard "cyclocross" position or 2. switching to dedicated dirt drops (WTB, on-one, etc...) with the bars so high.

    Then again, maybe I'm reading too much into the whole thing and people are just running what the bike shipped with at this point until we all figure it out.
    Well, at the risk of offending some folks, I think it is uncharted territory for many. Off road drop bar stuff is not a known quantity for many folks. (You should see all the searches on my blog for "offroad drop bar" or "mtb drop bars"!) Most folks don't have a clue where to start, so I suppose the Bell Lap looks as good as anything to them. Also, don't discount the fact that Salsa spec'ed it, and many will just see that as a validation of that bar without questioning it.

    As for the "hoods being too high" on the Bell Lap, that is an astute observation. It is "useable" as a position, but if the drops are up where you can use those for most off roading, the hoods on a Bell Lap make you feel like you are using "ape hangars". (Well, maybe not quite that dramatic!)

    There is a rumor afoot that says Salsa is taking care of this issue by developing a new bar for the Fargo.

    I rode the Bell Laps for a little bit off road and they were fine for that. Actually, I rather liked them. However; the drop was too deep and at the height I had them at, there was a stack-o-spacers on that fork that was a bit unsightly. If you have noticed, I switched out to a Midge Bar pretty soon after I got the Fargo. Much better! Got rid of about two inches worth of spacers with that change alone!

    Anyway, I hope that Salsa comes through with their own off road drop because I think there is much room for improvement in the breed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    There is a rumor afoot that says Salsa is taking care of this issue by developing a new bar for the Fargo.
    TED! Tell us everything you know! Nobody is more devoted to dirt drops than me. I must know all.

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    DK 200 in 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Hey GT & Gnat, are you guys going to ride your Fargo's at Dirty Kanza this year? It would be nice to see them.
    Well.....I do have DK on my radar for next year. This is on my list as a test to see if I think my engine tuning is on pace for something bigger. I will likely be riding my Fargo in "pack" mode.

    If the timing works out with my family & job, I will be coming down.

    Oh...And to ATSX's question, I ride mine everywhere and I use Bell Laps. My hoods are just above the seat level, I used a double wrap of tape. I don't like Midges and other funky bars because I like having a position to rest my hands on long rides. On funky bars, that position is essentially useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    The only question I would ask is about the Rims and Bars you have selected. The velocity blunts used to (still have?) a reputation for being a little soft and possibly slightly undersized, leading to tire mounting problems and flexiness. I would look at the Salsa Semi or possibly a DT Swiss rim instead of the velocities personally.


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    Are Semi's available now? Should I be considering Gordo's. I would also like to hear more about a possible Fargo specific drops. I am a master of indecision.
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    I would think that Nitto Randonneur bars would be a good choice for a Fargo.
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    Semi's & Bar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Are Semi's available now? Should I be considering Gordo's. I would also like to hear more about a possible Fargo specific drops. I am a master of indecision.
    Yes, Semi's are available. As far as a rumored Salsa Fargo Specific Drop bar, I can assure you that I am riding Bell Laps. I also assure you if there was a Fargo specific bar I'd be riding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    ........ On funky bars, that position is essentially useless.

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    On this point I will have to be a voice of dissent. The hoods, and bar tops for that matter, are totally useable. I have several hand positions besides the drops that are great places to rest the hands during rides.

    And lets be honest here. How many hand positions do you guys with flat bars or risers use? One? Maybe two if you use bar ends? Yeah...................so all of this discussion of drop bars for off roading being limited in hand positions has to be taken with a huge grain o salt.

    The basic deal with drops for off roading is that the hands, wrists, and fore arms are aligned in a unique way in comparison to how we ride on flats and risers. This is the "why" of drop bars. If you get that, the rest starts to fall into place.

    The drop part of the bar is where the benefits begin. The extra hand positions are a bonus over flats and risers. Whether you choose to use them is entirely up to each individual and is determined somewhat by the initial set up of the drop bar.

    Specifically to Bell Laps: The drop section is a further distance away from the bar tops than it is on Midge's and Gary bars. The WTB bars are slightly less deep. Having a minimal differential between the drop section and the bar top is better for set up and use off road. It makes using all the available positions easier and more attractive. This is where I feel the Bell Lap has issues.

    If indeed Salsa Cycles is coming out with a Fargo compatible bar, I would expect that it would be like the Midge in as far as the drop to top measurement goes and that the drop extensions would accomodate more than one hand position. (ie: LONGER!) Also, a bit more sweep would be nice in the drop section, like the original WTB bars. Make 'em in different widths too. Nobody is doing that.

    Okay, that's part of my "laundry list" for a Salsa off road drop bar. If I were a betting man, I'd put money on a bar like this to materialize sooner than later.
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    Easy there soldier

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted

    And lets be honest here. How many hand positions do you guys with flat bars or risers use? One? Maybe two if you use bar ends?
    Exactly - That is why I'm not going to use a flat bar to ride hundreds of miles of Fargo Adventuring. My Fargo with Bell Lap works better for me. For me the Bell Laps have several positions that I personally find useless on the Midges. Glad you like and use the extra Midge positions 'cuz that is what matters.

    GT - Remember that you gave me a set of Midges that I in fact rode and liked when riding off road only. I thought they worked great for that. Beyond that, I found them only useful in one position for my Fargoing Adventures which is why I find them limiting and "useless" for me. Not saying they aren't a good product because they clearly are. Just not right for me and how I'm riding my Fargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    Exactly - That is why I'm not going to use a flat bar to ride hundreds of miles of Fargo Adventuring. My Fargo with Bell Lap works better for me. For me the Bell Laps have several positions that I personally find useless on the Midges. Glad you like and use the extra Midge positions 'cuz that is what matters.

    GT - Remember that you gave me a set of Midges that I in fact rode and liked when riding off road only. I thought they worked great for that. Beyond that, I found them only useful in one position for my Fargoing Adventures which is why I find them limiting and "useless" for me. Not saying they aren't a good product because they clearly are. Just not right for me and how I'm riding my Fargo.

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    Yep! And thanks for getting those back to me, by the way!

    I understand what you meant, but the way you wrote it looked like a wholesale rejection of the Midge/Gary/WTB bars for anything other than one position in other readers eyes, to my thinking. So I threw my two cents in offa my soap box.

    I'm okay and the soap box has been put away or now..........
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    Regarding the back and forth on bar setup: I think what we've got going on is really 2 schools of thought on what this bike is for. This is why I was hoping people will chime in with their bar setup and qualify it with what they are using the bike for.

    You've got the touring/utilitarian crowd (Gnat) looking at a ton of paved or dirt road miles vs. technical singletrack miles. I'm guessing the Bell lap works well setup with the hoods and seat nearly level. Think: Occaisonally-off-road-capable Long Haul Trucker.

    And you've got the dirt drop MTB crowd (GoKartMozart, GTed) who see this as the closest thing to the first available production dirt drop mountain bike. The shortened top tubes and tall headtube is what make this bike appealing. These guys are logging a greater percentage of trail miles and obviously want a traditional dirt drop setup (Midge, much higher relative to the seat.) Think: Drop specific Karate Monkey.

    I'm thinking I'll be somewhere in between. Commuting, not touring but getting some singletrack trail time in during the commute. So I'm sort of split down the middle on what will be best. Easy enough to try both bar types and figure out what is best for me personally.


    ...at least until the Fargo specific Bargo comes out to end all arguments...so, when is the ship date on that?

    Sorry J. Just wanted to fan the flames a bit more on that one for my own enjoyment.

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    ATXSS: Uhhh......not so much on your analysis. I happen to know Gnat sees this as a single track machine, and does use it in that way quite a bit. (Not to say he doesn't think it couldn't be used everywhere, that's the whole point of the Fargo. )

    I also do a fair amount of commuting and gravel road riding on Midge and Gary bar equipped bikes and plan on doing the same on the Fargo. In fact, I just got back from an urban snow ride.

    You are going to see lots of people using this bike in lots of ways that we haven't even imagined yet. Bars? Pffft! Big deal. The point is to go for a long ride on the Fargo, on whatever terrain, and have fun doing it.

    I am anxious to see what some folks come up with here actually, and where they ride these rigs. I'm betting it will blow our collective minds. montclairbobbyb's bike is just the tip of that iceberg, methinks.
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    Yeah!

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    Well there you go. I'll step back from over analyzing on this thread now and simply ask for more pictures!

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    From today's snow ride. Bombed around the snow covered city streets at 7 degrees F. Tubeless Geax Saguaros are nice on snow, by the way.
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    All Rounder

    In my brain I like to think of this bike as the modern day (technologically) Bridgestone XO-1 or Rivendell All Rounder. Both bikes I have an affinity for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    In my brain I like to think of this bike as the modern day (technologically) Bridgestone XO-1 or Rivendell All Rounder. Both bikes I have an affinity for.
    Well, I like that sort of cool style too, but I think it is epitomized by this modern incarnation...



    Rawlands take 700c/29"er rubber too, so you could have that bike today.

    To me the Fargo is a more "heavy duty" version of something like that that is specifically designed for 29"er wheels.

    Both types of bikes are super cool in their own rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    And lets be honest here. How many hand positions do you guys with flat bars or risers use? One? Maybe two if you use bar ends?
    Without bar ends, on my current setup, I use three. If I had bar ends, four. Must be all of the road riding I've done in the past, and the time spend on the LHT this summer. That being said, I'm going to give the Midge a shot on my KM here in the next few weeks and see how I think it will feel for TI and DK (assuming I get in). If I manage to make the lottery for Leadville, then I'll have some decisions to make after the month of May is over.

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    So - just wondering - has anyone set up a Fargo with H-bars yet?
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    Smile Fargo with H-bars

    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    So - just wondering - has anyone set up a Fargo with H-bars yet?
    Scott: See Page 2 of this forum -
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    You ought to own one of these...

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    Very cool - missed that! Been following the thread off and on, but somehow skipped that (that's what I get for sporadically following the links that come in the e-mail notices). I just put a set of the "J-bars" (Flat Titec H-Bar with 31.8 clamp size) on my XXIX a few rides ago. Been playing with position - raised the stem height and length a bit with a Salsa SUL stem (120mm x 40d rise) and it feels pretty perfect. Didn't think I'd want it that high, but for standing and climbing the other stems were a bit low (105 x 10d with an extra 5mm spacer) Hopefully I will be able to ride it for an hour or so tomorrow and verify that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Didn't think I'd want it that high, but for standing and climbing the other stems were a bit low (105 x 10d with an extra 5mm spacer)
    Scott:

    The Fargo was designed for drop bars, as you can see with the frame's geometry and headtube length. I just swapped out the stem in the pic (5 degree, 120mm) with a 15 degree, 110mm stem, which so far feels about right.

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    Fargo with Racks and Lights

    Now my Fargo is beginning to look more like an expedition touring bike...

    Tubus Logo (rear); Axiom Odyssee (front, with custom fork crown mounting bracket). Light is a 3-LED homebuilt, with custom circuit board (in white tube) to be compatible with the Schmidt hub. More pics on Flickr.com https://flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/


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    Montclairbob,

    How are you liking the riding position of your Fargo with H-bars? Are you going to stick with it or migrate to drop bars?

    I'm considering the same setup but with Shimano dual control shift/brake levers. Do you think that would work well?

    I know I'll never be able to test ride such a setup beforehand so if anyone has opinions on how that would work (2 questions really: 1) fargo w/ h-bars, is that a good setup?; 2) same plus shim dual control?) I'd be much obliged.

    BTW, your ride looks sweet.

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    H-bars and dualies for Fargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vikingfan
    How are you liking the riding position of your Fargo with H-bars? Are you going to stick with it or migrate to drop bars?
    I LOVE my setup... especially since I can run hydraulic disc brakes (which to me was the main reason for these bars. I never really took to drop bars. I generally ride riser mountain bars, and have tried Mary's, All-rounder, Sparrows, etc... the H-bar is the best bar yet (for the all-round on/off road kind of riding I'll do on the Fargo)... These bars are so comfortable and versatile, I even rode them in a skatepark (on a whim) last week with a few of my buddies who were skating and BMXing, where I shot some video footage (see below link). There's a segment of me on the Fargo...first time in a bowl on a bike and I was instantly and completely comfortable... plus all the helmet-cam chase footage was shot by me on the Fargo... THIS BIKE ROCKS, and these bars are the BOMB!!!

    Check it out: (shots of the Fargo are at 1:40 of the video)

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_7jP2zie_74&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_7jP2zie_74&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    As far as the dualies, I don't see why they wouldn't work great on the h-bars... In fact, look at my freaky setup. I say GO FOR IT!!! Good luck... you'll enjoy this ride.... I hope others will try out the h-bars....

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    Almost Finished

    Here it is:
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    Just got to stick on the front nice rack and swap out pedals
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    Will the Fargo take a suspension fork?

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    Any one get out for an adventure this week? Give me some new photos to look at! Share the love with the rest of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Any one get out for an adventure this week? Give me some new photos to look at! Share the love with the rest of us.
    Up north we are still dreaming of all the great Fargo adventures to come and riding Fargo's winter cousin...
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    Smile Pugsley (like his Adams Family namesake)...way underrated

    That's it.... I MUST own a PUGS.... It just looks like way too much fun... almost as if it would laugh and talk to you as you ride it... The Fargo fills the void for now, (and I often talk to it as I ride around the neighborhood, which sends the moms scurrying for their kids)..."That crazy man, Mr Birmingham is out talking to his ugly green bike again"....

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    Nice rack modifications

    Hi,

    I just wanted to attach some pics of the Fargo with a front Surly nice rack. The front Nice rack is incompatible with mounting water bottle holders directly to the fork. My LBS created their own water bottle mount directly on the rack. I apologize for the photo quality. The mods are simple enough and the end result still came out great.
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    Sorry

    Sorry about the giant photos. This picture thing is still new to me.

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    Nice bike, Is that a complete bike from Salsa or a shop build?

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    Very nice! Makes me really really really want one.

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    Nice Rack, but...

    The water bottle position looks like it would prevent you from running low-rider panniers. If you're not running lowriders, then it's not a problem. Still, I hope your LBS didn't charge you more than the cost of the hardware for their (ahem) "innovative" design...

    Great build, BTW, and awesome rack...

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    Love the build. Can't wait to start my Fargo build...

    I see that your front fender is cut "short" of the front rack...

    Is that because it wouldn't fit between the rack and the tyre? (or just a personal preference thing?)

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    I guess I should lay out my planned build too. (keeping in mind that this bike is really going to be used most of the time as my super commuter).

    wheels
    Schmidt front dynamo hub
    Supernova E3 triple front light
    Rohloff rear hub
    DT Swiss TK7.1d rims (mmmm double eyeletted goodness)
    DT Swiss Competition black spokes
    DT Swiss Pro Lock nipples (brass)
    Schwalbe Marathon plus 700 x 45 tyres (or Big Apples)

    cockpit
    Syncros FL stem
    Salsa Pro Moto 11 degree flat bar
    1996 generation Control Tech Team Issue bar ends (green anno')
    Oury glow in the dark grips (on both the bars and the bar ends)
    Salsa seatpost
    SDG Gran Prix saddle (cro-mo rails)

    Race Face Evolve cranks
    Crank Brothers Mallet 2 pedals
    Surly Nice Racks front and rear
    Full fenders
    lots of Salsa bottle cages
    lots of rear flashing lights (my commute usually starts at 3.30am)
    oh yeh... and one of those external BB eccentric BB adapter things... (I hate tensioners)

    did I miss anything?

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    Fargo Build

    Nice build, Elvis! I'm considering building up an internal hub wheel for my Fargo... probably a Shimano Alfine... I will need to work out the tension thing with the Forward Components EBB adapter and a half-link... that should do it... I have the Schmidt hub and it's a miniature engineering marvel...

    That's a pricey config.... no wonder you had no money leftover for brakes...

    I use Shimano hydraulic brakes, and love em!!!

    Good luck... send pics, please when you're build is done....
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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    That's a pricey config.... no wonder you had no money leftover for brakes...
    ya got me.

    Hayes Stroker brakes. I'm running Stroker trails on most bikes now. (Stroker Carbons on the Mojo).

    But I'm seriously considering the Stroker Ace for the Fargo. The weight difference is so minimal (60g per end).

    check the light! www.supernova-lights.com/newsite/e3_triple.html

    and one of these on the rear! http://www.supernova-lights.com/news...ail_light.html

    and the beam patten! http://www.supernova-lights.com/news...omparison.html

    as soon as I read the line "Depending on the alignment it can be extremely blinding"... I was sold. So it could blind car drivers huh?... gimme gimme...

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    Couple quick answers

    To Black Cross: Thank You. It is a shop build but pretty much the same as the complete.

    Captain Bob: I'm really wanting a Selma like yours! Hope your arm is feeling better.

    Montclairbobbyb: Your correct about running low rider panniers but it won't be an
    issue for me. My shop didn't charge me a dime for hardware or
    installation of the rack. They are a great shop.

    http://www.oldspokeshome.com/

    Elvis: Cut for fit. I'm looking forward to pics of your build. Sounds awesome!

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    Fat and Hairy. Thanks. Hope it heels soon. Selma? Wish I had one. I guess they will be available soon. Can't wait.

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    So when are the complete bikes arriving? And are they sold out?

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    First shipment went to day

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    So when are the complete bikes arriving? And are they sold out?
    First shipment of pre book complete bikes started shipping today to dealers. We've got some more coming next week, but due to Frostbike, we won't be able to receive them and ship them until after next weekend. Yeah, that stinks.

    Frames: We shipped some of those too. A LOT more frames coming and due in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Sold out, I'll check tomorrow, but I know Medium Complete bikes are sold out and I thin the Larges are too, but I can't remember what is coming on next weeks shipment.

    Sorry I don't have the exact specifics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnatBikes
    First shipment of pre book complete bikes started shipping today to dealers. We've got some more coming next week, but due to Frostbike, we won't be able to receive them and ship them until after next weekend. Yeah, that stinks.

    Frames: We shipped some of those too. A LOT more frames coming and due in 3 to 4 weeks.

    Sold out, I'll check tomorrow, but I know Medium Complete bikes are sold out and I thin the Larges are too, but I can't remember what is coming on next weeks shipment.

    Sorry I don't have the exact specifics.

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    So when you say that frames went out, did that include a medium on its way to Alaska?
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    I got the frame the first week of November, originally set up with 42mm tires, fenders, and racks. I moved a block from work/school so I took the fenders and rack off for now. I'm running Crossmarks now too. And I switched from bar-ends to 10 speed campy centuar shifters. I've only had time to do a little trail riding, but I've loved it on everything so far. Sorry for the low pic quality, no digital camera..


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    Head tube help....

    I have never seen a dirt-drop-moutain bike without an unsightly amount of spacers, or a ridiculously tall riser stem; something you'd see on a Wal Mart cruiser.


    What am I missing? The folks at Salsa made the necessary mods to the frame to accomidate it's intended niche-purpose. Why not address the short head tube issue while they were at it?

    Explain this to me please.


    For goodness sakes, even most full out CX bikes are being ridden with stacks of spacers and riser stems.

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    Let's show some more Fargo's. I got the frame yesterday and after a day of playing in the garage this came out. I will mount my Burley Piccolorack this weekend, so I can carry gear or pull my son on his trailerbike. SMILE and RIDE....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    And I switched from bar-ends to 10 speed campy centuar shifters.
    Could you give the rundown of your drivetrain set-up?

    I'm debating 9 versus 10 speed for my Fargo build. If using 9 I would go with D/A bar end shifters, if 10 speed I would use 105 STIs.

    Based on your setup, do you think the 105 STIs would work with a trekking crank (48/36/26) and a XT front derailluer?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAHTNOJ
    Could you give the rundown of your drivetrain set-up?

    I'm debating 9 versus 10 speed for my Fargo build. If using 9 I would go with D/A bar end shifters, if 10 speed I would use 105 STIs.

    Based on your setup, do you think the 105 STIs would work with a trekking crank (48/36/26) and a XT front derailluer?

    Thanks!
    Its 10 speed Campy to 9 speed Shimano. You can make the Campy 10s work with Shimano 8 or 9. I think the Shimano road levers have different pull for the front derailleur than their mountain shifters. The rear would work fine, but I think you'd need a road front der..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ee ay ess
    Its 10 speed Campy to 9 speed Shimano. You can make the Campy 10s work with Shimano 8 or 9. I think the Shimano road levers have different pull for the front derailleur than their mountain shifters. The rear would work fine, but I think you'd need a road front der..
    I second that, the mtb front Ds don't work well with STI levers. They do work just fine with bar end shifters though so if you go that route and already have the parts you're set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PMC
    I second that, the mtb front Ds don't work well with STI levers. They do work just fine with bar end shifters though so if you go that route and already have the parts you're set.
    Thanks to both of you. I already have bar ends so will probably wind up going that route. They are not as easy to shift but are drop dead reliable, and I want this bike to work predictably and for a long time.

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    Seems all the Fargo excitement is dwindling on MTBR... has anyone got any new stories or pics to share? Easily the coolest bike going around at the moment...

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    Calm before the storm

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Seems all the Fargo excitement is dwindling on MTBR... has anyone got any new stories or pics to share? Easily the coolest bike going around at the moment...
    I suspect you will start seeing more stories and pics soon. We're just coming out of winter in many parts of the country and a lot of fargos just got delivered.

    I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't take off in a couple of weeks.
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    Here's a photo of mine from last weekend. I have been having trouble with knee pain when riding clipless lately, so I've been going with flat pedals. It's a cell-phone photo; I never remember to bring a real camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I suspect you will start seeing more stories and pics soon. We're just coming out of winter in many parts of the country and a lot of fargos just got delivered.

    I'll be surprised if this thread doesn't take off in a couple of weeks.
    I'll have some pics of mine in the snow posted up soon. My frame should be in by the end of this week (fingers crossed!).

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    initial ride

    Here are a couple of pics taken during the initial outing on my new Fargo. The weather was too nice and the day was coming to a close so extra bottle cages and bar tape was optional. Epic Designs frame bag in the near future.
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    Black Fargo

    Nice paintjob! ...hey is that fun-guy black? I will one day (no doubt) need to paint mine... In the mean time my riding wardrobe will take full advantage of the stock color... after all, doesn't everything go with fun-guy green?

    Are those Dirt Drop or Midge bars? I dig the shifter placement... Nice build.... Maybe some Brooks brown leather handlebar tape would put that over the top...

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    stealthy!

    So did you do a rattle-can overcoat w/ the black paint job, or is that a new powdercoat?
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    i dig the black bikes.

    we have a powdercoating facility at the workplace, it took about an hour or so to scuff the green enough to accept the new black layer of powder. xxxtra durable.

    wtb dirtdrops, and as of tuesday it has black brooks leather wrap.

    i'll save the rattle can for the touchup ; ^ )

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    Hey d-ray.....

    Hey d-ray, I like your black Fargo, very nicly done, by the way. I wanted to ask about the shifter mounts. I've had that idea in my head for awhile now and you have executed it exactly the way I thought it would work. What I am wondering is did you simply mill out the shifter perches to fit the bar diameter? It looks as though that is what I am seeing.
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    shifters

    gt- you are correct sir. i increased the inside diameter of the mounts about .070". you also need to remove a good portion of the thumbshifter to gain clearance to stay in the drops. i milled and hand filed about .400" from the ends of the shifters. (i'll probably remove more next time i swap cables or re-wrap the bars) if these were placed on ergo bars (bell laps maybe) i think it would increase the amount of adjustability.

    the last modification was removing a 1/2 inch from the bottom of the brake lever mount, this allows you to push the shifter assembly farther into the curve of the drops.

    i think maybe i've been staring at nates multi mounts in the mwc jewelry case too long.

    thanks for the nice comments guys!
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    GDR Ride Take 1!

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3340164890/" title="GDR Racer Take 1! by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3340164890_390250995e.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="GDR Racer Take 1!" /></a>

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/3339336185/" title="GDR Racer Take 1! by Jmeiser, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3398/3339336185_364037cbb3.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="GDR Racer Take 1!" /></a>

    A couple of photos of my latest Fargo build. Now it's time for a shakedown of a few pieces of equipment.

    I've also put together a flat bar Fargo and posted a few photos over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Here's the Fargo in action. post yours when you get it here...
    Here's mine. It's not black, but it's another Fargo in Lincoln. You'll recognize the bridge from d-ray's pics... Wilderness Park.

    I've been riding mine for about a month now and can't believe how much I love it. It rips. I've never had a drop bar bike that I've felt so comfortable carving, jumping, and generally just having way too much fun in the dirt on. In short, it lives up to every expectation I had for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Here's mine. It's not black, but it's another Fargo in Lincoln. You'll recognize the bridge from d-ray's pics... Wilderness Park.
    What front der. are you using?

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    What front der. are you using?
    That's an old Shimano low-mount Deore LX. It works great once I gave the cable a little "reduction wrap" to change the pull ratio ever so slightly (to work with the STI lever).
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    Stupid Question #632 from Fat & Hairy

    Please bear with me while I spew out my rant complete with stupid questions. First of all anyone who has read any of my messages can infer two things. "That guy likes to ride his bike but he knows literally nothing about bikes." They can probabably also conclude that I have poor grammar and spelling.
    Anyways going back to older posts in this forum you can see I modified my racks to include water bottle holders. Anyways as MontclairBobbyB pointed out the mods would probably intefere with lowrider panniers. At the time I thought I would forgo panniers and just tie stuff down. Well I had a change of heart. I emailed customer service from a major pannier manufacturer to see if they had panniers that would work for my front set up. (picture attached) He was very nice and e mailed me back. His suggestions were:
    1) H2O bottles have no business being up front
    2) Frame bags have no business being anywhere
    3) His racks are better than mine
    4) I'm an idiot

    Here are some actual excerpts from his E mail that I cut & pasted. I left out anything that would reveal him or his company:

    Get rid of that mid-frame spinnaker, put your water bottles back where they belong inside the frame (one on the seat tube’s mounts and one on the down tube’s lower mounts).

    Please, please get rid of the water bottle cages on the front rack and/or fork for safety reasons…not only to keep bottles from bouncing into the front wheel and slamming your lower jaw first into the gravel road, but more importantly from local riders snickering just loud enough for you to hear them (“By Jesus, have you seen all them water bottles on that fellers bike Darrel? He’s obviously from away.”)

    Put your other racks on Craig’s List/eBay

    End of quotes

    He had rack suggestions from his company's product but never answered my original question of panniers. I should mention however in this world of zero customer service he did take the time to respond to me promptly with a lengthy e mail in which he did offer me his sincere advice.

    In any case I love my frame bag and racks both have had heavy use and have been awesome. Any suggestions for my system? Maybe the H2O bottles will have to go although I would like to keep them. Panniers that will fit my set up, fit Nice racks, and hold up well?

    Also I have to mention this bike has been awesome! The mud season between snow & trail riding has always been very depressing for me but not this year. I am having a blast exploring old dirt roads and getting my fitness ready for the trails and hopefully some off road touring. Sorry for yet another picture of my bike
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    Fat & Hairy: Any suggestions for my system? Maybe the H2O bottles will have to go although I would like to keep them. Panniers that will fit my set up, fit Nice racks, and hold up well?
    Hey, I don't know if this would work, but the old Jandd Mini Mountain panniers had a deal where you could mount the clips offset quite a bit. They are skinny enough and with an offset drill and mount job, they just might clear the bottle cages.I wonder also, could you jury-rig something for the lower mount on the cage that would make it more verticle? Like a strip of metal or something to cantlever the cage rearward at the bottom which should gain you some clearance for panniers? Just offering a suggestion.

    I was out muddin' with my Fargo last weekend. Brrrraaaaap!

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    Fat & Hairy,

    I'm sorry that you had that experience with a manufacturer, any manufacturer. It doesn't sound like they did themselves any good.

    As for Racks with lowriders and cages the only thing that might work would be an Ortlieb lowrider. I have not however tried mounting this and testing it. Will do and get back to you.

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    [QUOTE=Guitar Ted]Hey, I don't know if this would work, but the old Jandd Mini Mountain panniers had a deal where you could mount the clips offset quite a bit.

    Bring the big guy by the shop and I will make something work for you. When it was mounted I remember the Axiom front waterproof bag fitting, though mounted all the way forward.

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    Wow, you have to love the information age when you have help from the head guru of all things 29'er, one of the designers of your bike, and the guy who built your bike all with the click of a mouse. Thanks you guys rock! Another thing, do I really need panniers or should I just go back to strapping junk to the racks? When I thought about getting panniers part of my reasoning was so I could also use them on the Pugsley to have more cargo space for winter camping. I'm not sure if that would work as far as heel clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Wow, you have to love the information age when you have help from the head guru of all things 29'er, one of the designers of your bike, and the guy who built your bike all with the click of a mouse. Thanks you guys rock! Another thing, do I really need panniers or should I just go back to strapping junk to the racks? When I thought about getting panniers part of my reasoning was so I could also use them on the Pugsley to have more cargo space for winter camping. I'm not sure if that would work as far as heel clearance.
    Thanks for your kind words.....

    Anyway, have you moseyed on over to the endurance forums and checked out any of the GDR threads? The bikes used in that event show the gamut from panniers to "junk strapped on" set ups and you can read all about those set ups. How some worked and some failed. Good stuff.

    Here's another great resource, if you have not seen it, you should check it out too. : http://www.bikepacking.net/

    Good luck and Good Fargo-ing!
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    Thanks G-Ted. I love bikepacking.net . There are some crazy extreme guys ( & girls can't forget Jill in Alaska ) hanging out over there. Sorry about hijacking the Fargo thread with my pannier nonsense. This bike makes me excited with the possibilities and I get a little obsessive. I'll calm down now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    I have never seen a dirt-drop-moutain bike without an unsightly amount of spacers, or a ridiculously tall riser stem; something you'd see on a Wal Mart cruiser.


    What am I missing? The folks at Salsa made the necessary mods to the frame to accomidate it's intended niche-purpose. Why not address the short head tube issue while they were at it?

    Explain this to me please.


    For goodness sakes, even most full out CX bikes are being ridden with stacks of spacers and riser stems.
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.

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    Hey just another wanting some sizing advice. Read on the Salsa site:

    "Sizing: Frames are sized by effective TT length and optimized for drop bars. This means the head tubes are bit longer than a typical 29" bike as well as a slightly shorter TT. Match your desired top tube length. If you own a Salsa mtn bike from the last few years, buy the same size (assuming it fits right). As and example, if you have a medium Dos Niner or El Mariachi, buy a medium Salsa Fargo."

    Now I don't fully understand geometry but looked up specs on my GT Peace 9r I currently ride and got this:

    Horizontal TT: 24.09
    ST: 17.0

    All this time I thought I was riding an 18 oddly enough. So I compared these to the Fargo and couldn't work it out, then I compared it to an El Mariachi (similar style bike to see where I fit with Salsa eg Medium) and got these figures

    Medium:
    Horizontal TT: 23.55
    ST: 18.0

    Large:
    Horizontal TT: 24.46
    ST: 20.0

    I'm thinking the Medium might be the closest fit and would possibly be better since I will be using it offroad a lot. Any advice?

    I'm 5'11" and my inseam is ~31" (rough measurement). I like a racier profile and swept bars when i ride also if that helps... this is why I think I will enjoy the drops a lot.

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    ....... I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.
    Thank you, thank you, thank you! You have no idea what a "breath of fresh air" it is to read those words.

    I wish more folks would understand this simple thing about off road drop bar bikes.
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    Chumbox, here are your pics...

    Yo Chumbox, here are those Fargo side shots I promised you. I left my camera at work, but I'll try to get some shots of it with the new WTB bar tomorrow and post 'em up ASAP too so you can see that setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Hey just another wanting some sizing advice. Read on the Salsa site:

    "Sizing: Frames are sized by effective TT length and optimized for drop bars. This means the head tubes are bit longer than a typical 29" bike as well as a slightly shorter TT. Match your desired top tube length. If you own a Salsa mtn bike from the last few years, buy the same size (assuming it fits right). As and example, if you have a medium Dos Niner or El Mariachi, buy a medium Salsa Fargo."

    Now I don't fully understand geometry but looked up specs on my GT Peace 9r I currently ride and got this:

    Horizontal TT: 24.09
    ST: 17.0

    All this time I thought I was riding an 18 oddly enough. So I compared these to the Fargo and couldn't work it out, then I compared it to an El Mariachi (similar style bike to see where I fit with Salsa eg Medium) and got these figures

    Medium:
    Horizontal TT: 23.55
    ST: 18.0

    Large:
    Horizontal TT: 24.46
    ST: 20.0

    I'm thinking the Medium might be the closest fit and would possibly be better since I will be using it offroad a lot. Any advice?

    I'm 5'11" and my inseam is ~31" (rough measurement). I like a racier profile and swept bars when i ride also if that helps... this is why I think I will enjoy the drops a lot.

    Thanks in advance
    Yeah, I would advise you to get a Medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Yeah, I would advise you to get a Medium.
    That's funny... I was going to tell him to go Large. For perspective, I'm 6'1", with a 33-inch inseam. I ride a large Salsa mountain bike, normally. I'm riding an XL Fargo very happily.

    But that said, Guitar Ted and I agree 9 times out of ten, so if he said go with a medium, I'd probably cede to his advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.
    Amen brother! Heck yeah -- I rip on this thing off-road! That's exactly what I'm talkin' about... Witness:
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    Smile Laugh out loud...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat & Hairy
    Get rid of that mid-frame spinnaker, put your water bottles back where they belong inside the frame (one on the seat tube’s mounts and one on the down tube’s lower mounts).
    F&H: You have to admit that's a very funny (if not unprofessional) observation... Perhaps from now on you'll have to begin your ride logs with "... Today at sunrise I set sail for the grocery store..."

    Speaking of panniers, I have been remiss in providing pictures of my fully-loaded Fargo... shame on me... (I've got too many Franken-bike projects in play at the moment...) But I promise to take some photos this weekend of my Fargo with the latest mods, including:

    - Ortlieb panniers front (lowriders) and rear (these are awesome)
    - Cascadia fenders (modified in the rear to fit under my Tubus Logo rack
    - SRAM XO Grip Shifters, Ergon grips on the H-bar with X9 derailleur (to replace my friction shifters, will explain why)
    - Custom generator lighting (THIS IS THE COOLEST FEATURE)

    Stay tuned...
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    I started a separate thread a couple weeks ago regarding racks for the Fargo, but it probably makes more sense to keep the info here.

    I ended up with the Tubus Vega. It's fairy minimalistic, but still has a 50 lbs capacity which is plenty for me. I liked the idea of having a rack made from good ole cromoly and Tubus has a great reputation, so I ordered one up.

    I wasn't disappointed. Everything about the rack was top notch. Nice stainless hardware and a quality finish. I had to customize the struts to accommodate the Fargo's extra wide upper mounts. Three bends to each, down, out and then back in again.

    Salsa was smart to put the lower rack mounts a bit higher than normal which helped with the tire clearance. Plenty of room with the Rampages mounted.

    On a side note, I have to mention the excellent service I received from Wayne at the TouringStore.com. I rarely mail order and always try to buy local first. Staying local and quality of service always trump price for me, but Tubus is not an easy product for an LBS to get there hands on.

    Wayne spent lots of time answering questions and learning about the Fargo to make sure we were choosing the right rack. He also made sure I understood he would be happy to take the rack back should fit be a problem. The box included good directions and more importantly, a sheet with tips on mounting the rack, panniers and other hints he had picked up after years of dealing with these things. Props to Wayne.

    Hope this info might help some of you as you put together your adventure bike.





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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    F&H: You have to admit that's a very funny (if not unprofessional) observation... Perhaps from now on you'll have to begin your ride logs with "... Today at sunrise I set sail for the grocery store..."

    Speaking of panniers, I have been remiss in providing pictures of my fully-loaded Fargo... shame on me... (I've got too many Franken-bike projects in play at the moment...) But I promise to take some photos this weekend of my Fargo with the latest mods, including:

    - Ortlieb panniers front (lowriders) and rear (these are awesome)
    - Cascadia fenders (modified in the rear to fit under my Tubus Logo rack
    - SRAM XO Grip Shifters, Ergon grips on the H-bar with X9 derailleur (to replace my friction shifters, will explain why)
    - Custom generator lighting (THIS IS THE COOLEST FEATURE)

    Stay tuned...
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    Yeah the guy hated my set up but he was pretty funny. He knew I'm in Vermont from the picture above that I had E mailed to show him my issue, when he's talking about the local rider Darrel goofing on me, (“By Jesus, have you seen all them water bottles on that fellers bike Darrel? He’s obviously from away.”) he's referring to Darrel & his other brother Darrel. In any case I also went with the Ortliebs. Like Go Kart Mozart I had been in contact with Wayne at the touring store and I had the same experience as GKM. Wayne was super helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Yo Chumbox, here are those Fargo side shots I promised you. I left my camera at work, but I'll try to get some shots of it with the new WTB bar tomorrow and post 'em up ASAP too so you can see that setup.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    Here are the shots with the new WTB bar...
    MG: That lever placement almost makes the "horns" of the STI levers like barends on a flat bar bike!

    You must be hangin' round mw too much. The WTB bar thing has finally rubbed off on you.

    Naw, just kiddin' ya! That looks great.

    Thought I'd share with the class: This is my set up so far going in to the Dirty Kanza 200 training. There will be tweakage! I have not decided if there will be a rear rack. Maybe there will be a front rack. Still working on it.
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    Exactly....

    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Ever ridden drops off road? I mean REAL off-road? If you do you'll see why, even with the Fargo's huge head tube, most folks need a tall stem. Go look at your MTB and imagine getting a set of drop-bars high enough to put the drops at the same level as your current riser (or flat bar).

    You need to be in the drops full time to use the brakes properly. I can't speak for others here, but how my bar and stem "looks" takes a backseat to function and performance.

    You are agreeing with my point. It's necessary to run drop bars high for off roading - so my point was Salsa should have speced a longer/taller HT. That way one could avoid the 4" stack of spacers and beach cruiser stems.

    My Cross Check has about 3.5" of spacers plus a 135 degree riser stem, and the bars are still not high enough.

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    Time to GO FAR! (far for me anyway)

    It's complete! Tomorrow will be the first 60+ miler on the new ride. I can't say enough good things about this bike and the Salsa brand. (Luckily this forum is covering that.) If you haven't had the chance to do business with Epic Designs, I highly recommend it. The quality of his gear is exceptional and Eric is a pleasure to work with.

    MG-your new bars look great!
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    my "other" expedition touring bike is still green...

    I thought some of you guys would enjoy this pic of my late eighties expedition touring rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    You are agreeing with my point. It's necessary to run drop bars high for off roading - so my point was Salsa should have speced a longer/taller HT. That way one could avoid the 4" stack of spacers and beach cruiser stems.

    My Cross Check has about 3.5" of spacers plus a 135 degree riser stem, and the bars are still not high enough.
    Well, in the two posts that sandwich your post quoted above, what you are asserting about the Fargo is not the case. No "4" stack of spacers" and those are standard stems on both of those bikes.

    So, what are you seeing about these two examples that leads you to the statement you made?

    Both have quite reasonable saddle to grip area drops. Well within what cross country riders would consider for a flat bar set up.

    Seems to me that the Salsa Fargo design is working and working quite well.

    Now if you are talking Surly.......(you mention the CrossCheck) or other brands, then I agree totally. But those bikes weren't meant for what the Fargo is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ray
    I thought some of you guys would enjoy this pic of my late eighties expedition touring rig.
    Whoa! That has to be a pretty rare rig right there!

    I've seen leather portage straps but welding in a steel tube? That's some hardcore portaging action there!

    Thanks for sharing that. It is a super cool rig.
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    D-Ray,

    I hope to get out to Lincoln one of these years...I've got to see your collection. That 3R is ridiculous. That BB height looks way to high to be comfortable for long distances. Hot bike for sure.

    As for your Fargo...Nate told me how quickly it disappeared for a re-paint. How long had you been hanging on to the WTB bars? Ridiculous.

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    D-ray, nice nice nice Fargo.

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    GT-I haven't seen too many of those 3RENSHO 26" drop bar bikes. I thought you guys might dig the head tube length and fork rake. But JMKM is right, the bottom bracket height is interesting. The eighties were crazy!

    Mr. Meiser-You're welcome anytime, but my collection really isn't that impressive. Nate and his crew on the other hand...OMFG. If I could, I'd trade the majority of my stuff for some legs and lungs if it were that easy. You definitely need to come down and talk shop though.

    Chumbox- Thanks for the kind words! FWIW I am 5' 11" with a 31-32" inseam. If I was going to spend more time in single track the medium size would have been my weapon of choice. My goal with the Fargo is to commute to work with it as often as possible. I have a 50 mile round trip commute that is 65% dirt roads. It has and will do more singletrack duty, but for me it has solved MANY of my commuting woes. These guys won't steer you wrong.

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    Here's mine in Austin.

    Built a few weeks ago. Got to take it out on an o'er night camping trip to the lake this past weekend. It was good times.

    I set mine up for all around riding with the following highlights: Nitto Noodle bar, Paul Thumbie rear shifter mounted up top, Surly Nice rack. Mountain drivetrain. I have my bars tops about 1 inch above the saddle. Most of my riding is on the hoods and top of bar so far. I'd say 80% asphalt riding at this point.

    I spend most of my time on this bike exploring with my daughter in the trailer. Otherwise it is the most versatile commuter. I think I might try to see how many rides in a row I can do on this bike alone (road/mtb/commute) without switching to another bike. I could imagine going to an STI but that would require new brakes as well and it works pretty well as is.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CzPoQa52oz5TVSNA9O6zTg?authkey=Gv1sRgCOvA3ICzwIaZX A&feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/SdGEbN9tEnI/AAAAAAAAEg0/mcTr0hH34sI/s800/IMG_8263.JPG" /></a>

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    ATXSS - That's another nice setup. Love the thumbies shifter. I'm really loving that people aren't taking just one avenue for the Fargo, it can be setup so many ways for so many purposes. So good.

    On that note (and not to hijack the thread at all) but was just wondering about bar end shifter routing. Some pics show it goes under the bar tape and out the top near the stem like the brakes and others have it come straight out from the tape near the drops. Is there a correct way or is it horses for courses?

    Alright back to the photos.

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    ATXSS,

    Interesting that you're using a rear Thumbie. Had you thought about running the shift cable under the bar tape? It makes for an easy reach from up in the drops to shift when riding off-road. I guess it all depends on how you use the bike.

    I dig the hammock. One of our crew just picked one up for his exploits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    ATXSS,

    Interesting that you're using a rear Thumbie. Had you thought about running the shift cable under the bar tape? It makes for an easy reach from up in the drops to shift when riding off-road. I guess it all depends on how you use the bike.

    I dig the hammock. One of our crew just picked one up for his exploits.
    Response to both you guys-

    Thanks for the enthusiastic words.

    I haven't ever tried running the cable all the way up top. My bar wrap job started to come undone from the bottom on this ride so I need to redo it in any case. I may try re-routing the cable since it does get in the way a bit while using the drops. I find the Thumbie on the rear shifting more convenient when using the hoods as compared with the bar end option. I'd use it for the front as well but this bar doesn't allow both Thumbie mounts to fit up top. Right now the bike isn't really optimized for full on off-road riding. As much as I like the idea of making it a trail bike it seems less appropriate than simply using my MTB on technical trail rides.

    Other side notes - I tried the WTB bars during the build process. The Nittos were actually a last minute exchange since I had them laying around. I found the WTB bars felt great in the drops but the tops/hoods were too narrow. If you are spending a lot of time on the hoods with those you best like a narrow bar setup with the WTB Bars. I felt like there was too little control. Based on the amount of road usage I'm doing on this bike the priority had to be comfort on the tops/hoods.

    Also, I wish the MTB compatible Tektro levers had a bit wider hood design because they could stand distribute pressure a bit wider across your palm more like their newer road pull singlespeed levers do. I guess they were designed for drop usage primarily where the hoods are inconsequential. At least the lever action is very nice.

    Fully braided Jagwire housing works really nicely to keep the brake action firm without housing compression.

    As for the hammock - extremely comfortable and compact setup. I underestimated the weather on this trip. We had low 40s on a lake front with huge winds that took the windchill down close to freezing. I had brought a summer weight bag and no insulating mat so I shivered uncontrollably all night. Lesson learned! 8 months out of the year down here the hammock is ideal. For this trip I needed a thermal mat to be comfy in the hammock. Found an excuse to shop for some more bike-packing gear

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    I have to agree on the WTB drops, great lower position, poor upper position. That's exactly why the Bell-Laps are my bar of choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    I have to agree on the WTB drops, great lower position, poor upper position. That's exactly why the Bell-Laps are my bar of choice.
    Well, that was kind of the whole point behind the WTB bars.

    Not a "road" type of bar, it just looks like one.
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    Still a low-quality webcam pic, but this one was after returning from a road/trail ride, about 25 miles on road, and about 10 trail. Jandd pack is nice for some small stuff, an emergen-C, some food, a tube and tools, map, etc.

    Trail was a really rocky/rooty one, the "advanced" part gave my body a beating, but it was all fun. A guy on an FS Rocky Mountain paused his mid-ride cell phone call break to roll his eyes and say, "Nice rig." I didn't see him again on the rest of the trail!

    I'm not sure if I like the Campy Centaur/Shimano 9 speed set up off road. I stayed in the 36 ring the whole time, but was all over the cassette. On the road I new there were a couple imprecise spots midway through, and they were way more pronounced bouncing around and over rocks...I may end up going back to bar ends. I have an SS wheel, and might try a 6 speed XT set up first (I think the 29er tires and 48t would work out better being able to use the higher cogs and having a better chainline.) I also need to find a blue elastomer for the Thudbuster. I bought the post for CHEAP on eBay because the seller mispelled "thudbuster", but it only came with the one bushing..

    A digital camera is hopefully in the near future for me, and so hopefully more interesting pics will be as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Well, that was kind of the whole point behind the WTB bars.

    Not a "road" type of bar, it just looks like one.
    Fair enough, however in comparison visually with a Midge it looks visually like it would be a better hybrid between a road and dirt drop design. In truth something like a bell lap does work better for this purpose as JMKM stated above. My Nitto is working fine as well.

    Just a tip for others to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-ray
    It's complete! Tomorrow will be the first 60+ miler on the new ride. I can't say enough good things about this bike and the Salsa brand. (Luckily this forum is covering that.) If you haven't had the chance to do business with Epic Designs, I highly recommend it. The quality of his gear is exceptional and Eric is a pleasure to work with.

    MG-your new bars look great!
    Thanks Dan -- It was great to see you and your new Fargo out on the trail the other day! For as great as it looks in pictures, that thing looks even better in person. Guitar Ted and I are serious about that shifter project too... We'll talk more about that soon.

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    Hey all, I am thinking about building up a Fargo. Actually pricing out one currently. I am planning on using it for fire road, single track, pavement adventures here in CO. Also throwing some cross slicks for touring rides as well. I had some questions about some details on it. Here they are:

    1) I am looking at a 26,36,48 truvative crank with a 175 arm. Any problems off roading with that, assuming I can turn it.

    2) How effective is a pair of fenders that cover a 29x2.1 and a 700x35 tire working out for anyone?

    3) Here is the Big one I'm 5' 7" with a 30" inseam. What size would you recommend and what dim on the Fargo spec sheet is closest to my bikes to get size right?

    4) Any tips from all the build ups that caught you off guard that might help me out?

    Thanks to all of you for posting all the thoughts and pics. These are great, I am getting excited about firing one of these bad dogs up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by intocoman
    I am looking at a 26,36,48 truvative crank with a 175 arm. Any problems off roading with that, assuming I can turn it.
    I am running 26/36/48 with 172.5s and it's just fine, no problems at all. I would personally even go shorter if I had a set of 170s lying around just to give me a couple extra mm for pedal strikes although I usually don't have any issues with the type of riding I do.

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    My 20" Fargo frame came in today! I'm just going to sit and stare at it's beauty!

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    Why would you want all the added complexity of a drop bar to only have one position like an MTB bar? I've seen Shiggy's (and others) claims that there are more than one position. However, in my experience riding them the other positions aren't "natural". Should the rider have to adapt to the bar, or should the bar be designed to optimize the rider fit?

    Of the WTB, On-one, and Origin 8; the Origin 8 by far my least favorite. It was basically a bad iteration of the On-One. The flaw(s) of the On-One include the short drops that everyone is aware of and the pitched brake levers. The WTB feels great in the drops, much like a Bell Lap with greater flare, but has the same problems as the On-One with brake levers. Add the addition of the lack of Bar-End compatibility and WTB missed their re-launch of that bar. I don't think they really care however.

    That's my quick and dirty review...

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    I did a search in this thread, and didn't find anything, but has anyone run the Jones-designed H-Bar or J-Bar on a Fargo yet? Seems like it may be a good option for those who want a couple different hand positions but don't like the feel of the drops...
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    I really like my Fargo. It is a great alround bike. Although I will ride this one with racks too, pulling a trailerbike next summervacation in Norway, I also ride this bike carouseled. Jeff made me a half size framepack for a different bike, but it fits my Fargo great too. Combining this with his amazing seatbag, barbag and toptubebag I will be able to do most of my shorter trips ultralitestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    I did a search in this thread, and didn't find anything, but has anyone run the Jones-designed H-Bar or J-Bar on a Fargo yet? Seems like it may be a good option for those who want a couple different hand positions but don't like the feel of the drops...
    I think there is one in page 1 of this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    Why would you want all the added complexity of a drop bar to only have one position like an MTB bar? I've seen Shiggy's (and others) claims that there are more than one position. However, in my experience riding them the other positions aren't "natural". Should the rider have to adapt to the bar, or should the bar be designed to optimize the rider fit?
    I'm sure you are aware of Charlie Cunningham's take on drop bars and Matt Chester's reiteration of that theory. The drop section does things to the riders wrists, fore arms, and shoulders that other bars do not approach doing to the degree a dirt drop does. I find it relaxing and comfortable. It ain't for everyone though.

    The "other" positions are terrain/situationally specific to a degree, but do come in handy. As for being "natural", I can not comment for anyone else. I find that it works for me. You pick the bar that works for you, and I pick the one that works for me. To my mind, the Bell Lap bar is more "un-natural" feeling, so there ya go!

    Of the WTB, On-one, and Origin 8; the Origin 8 by far my least favorite. It was basically a bad iteration of the On-One. The flaw(s) of the On-One include the short drops that everyone is aware of and the pitched brake levers. The WTB feels great in the drops, much like a Bell Lap with greater flare, but has the same problems as the On-One with brake levers. Add the addition of the lack of Bar-End compatibility and WTB missed their re-launch of that bar. I don't think they really care however.
    I won't get into specifics here, but I will agree that none of the dirt drop bars is what I would design/want in a dirt drop bar. The Origin 8 and On One offerings both work fine for me. In some ways, the Gary bar is almost a mustache bar, and the layed over brake levers don't bother me in the least. Still, it isn't what I would design.

    I'm hopeful that a couple different bars I am aware of come to market. I think that from what I know of them, they will be much more to my liking than anything out now.
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    More Handle Bar Musings

    I was thinking more on the handle bar thing and since the Fargo is such a versatile platform, I thought I'd throw this out for consideration.........

    We have had a great discussion about the plusses and minuses of "dirt drop" type drop bars, but I think road drops have their own set of evolutions that have rendered certain aspects of those road going drops very "unnatural". (Again....my opinion only)

    The modern drop bar is designed to be set up with today's "brifter" systems, (nod to Sheldon) and the main focus of that is how the hoods transition into the tops. Typically the end result is a flattish transition to bar top from hood that is set up so that from the side, this transition is typically parallel to the ground. The obvious benefits are that several positions are available that are comfortable from the levers to the stem. However; the drop sections of these bars is marginally useful to down right useless when the levers are set up as I have described.

    This isn't a problem for the average road going cyclist that rarely uses the drops at all. We could say that the modern drop bar for roadies is "hood-centric" in it's design. (Note: Not all roadies ride like I have described. I'm not saying they do, but I work in a shop where the vast majority of drop bars are used in this manner.)

    In my mind, the modern road bar has gone too far in one direction, but this to accomodate the shifter/brake levers most used today. To my mind, the Nitto Noodle bar is the epitome of drop design that promotes use of drops and tops if the levers are set up appropriately and the stem set up doesn't place the drops too low. Problem is, modern "brifters" don't play well with bars like the Noodle Bar and have a flat transition zone from hood to bar top. (But then again, should they?)

    Drop bars can be discussed to death, but I just wanted to point out that there are few bars that really do a great job of offering the useful multiple riding positions that a bike like the Fargo seems to call out for. I think Nitto makes a few that are reasonable and Salsa has a couple. Of course, there are various ways to interpret the set up that will accomodate different riders. Good thing we have choices!
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    GT,

    I agree with Cunningham and Chester on Drop Bar Fit, but I disagree with adding complexity to a bar to only have 1 position. I know you, Shiggy, and many others like the current offerings out there. There are some basic principles on bike fit and ergonomics that we can all agree with, beyond that it comes down to personal preference. As they say, "there is more than one way to skin a cat!" I don't know who they are or what the origin of this phrase is, it is odd to say the least.

    I agree with your assesment of the noodle. I've got a set of them on my Casseroll and have for the last 3 years of 3 season commutes (the bike gets hung up for a fixed gear Casseroll in the winter). Yes, I have two Casseroll's. This is one of the few bars that provides good fit in the hoods and on the drops. It has a nice reach and a a nice short drop. It is no surprise that this is one of the best selling bars avaiable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I'm hopeful that a couple different bars I am aware of come to market. I think that from what I know of them, they will be much more to my liking than anything out now.
    Would love some info on these 'different bars'... you don't need to name companies just curious about shapes and flares... especially the 'Bargo' bar that is apparently coming out.

    Anyone have more on these bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Would love some info on these 'different bars'... you don't need to name companies just curious about shapes and flares... especially the 'Bargo' bar that is apparently coming out.

    Anyone have more on these bars?
    One of the designs I am not privy to, but the other one I am.

    It will have elements drawn from modern wide top/short drop road bars like Bontrager's VR Fit bar and will feature a hair bit more sweep in the drops than what is currently available.

    I don't have any idea when it will come out, but I know it is being developed as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    It will have elements drawn from modern wide top/short drop road bars like Bontrager's VR Fit bar and will feature a hair bit more sweep in the drops than what is currently available. Hopefully the position on the hoods will remain nice and wide. Start at 46cm at the hoods and flare out from there. Even the widest Bell laps are right on the narrowest hood position limit for my taste when you consider the inward angle that the brake levers sit at.
    This sounds promising. Bonty VR is my preferred true road bike bar. Extend the drop portion and add some flair and surely you'd have a nice hybrid offroad bar.

    I agree with JMKM that a drop bar should offer multiple hand positions for the tradeoff in shifter/brake lever complexity, added weight from additional material, and generally requiring a different frame design in an offroad application. That is all a lot of fuss really when you think about it so you'd better be getting some benefits that simply adding an ergo MTB bar doesn't provide. Jones and Groovy both offer good designs in my experience to simply improve a single hand position on an off road bicycle, and while expensive both cost less than a drop bar specific frame - not to mention new shifters/brake levers, brake calipers, etc...

    I also agree with Chumbox that the "perfect" combo hood usage/drop usage bar (IMO) has yet to be put out on the market. Kudos to anyone still working on the issue with R&D, especially considering that the current state of the marketplace in general today encourages more conservative decisions on where to place your resources.

    In the meantime, I also agree with GT in some of his description of the evolution of road bike specific "hood-centric" drop bars. If you are looking for something for your Fargo in the road bike bar world I find the Nitto to be performing better than I'd expected. I love trying out new bars but I may just keep these on indefinitely until something new comes out on the market with a really compelling design.

    And now some random build pictures just for more photo content...
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/LnLo42H3VUsU4sFpa0BLDA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YhNx9MeI/AAAAAAAAEjQ/IYKx6L8EoSs/s400/IMG_7913.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qUlE2nUMopef1SyOPPgrtg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YiRyEQVI/AAAAAAAAEjY/K4fsrXrnR30/s400/IMG_8008.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

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    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/T4ywfCvAyoOeV7ko2Cfruw?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YlT4_VDI/AAAAAAAAEjw/WeujZZ0g0KI/s400/IMG_8011.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

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    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NlapUqsmAsCrCRFtXnDAvA?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1YmqgOOoI/AAAAAAAAEj4/uCe0vnDrIx0/s400/IMG_8012.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/oigRYUvIB4p5OZz4T3eYjg?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_pXYWICYvyC0/Sd1Yqrdu5RI/AAAAAAAAEkY/Av_vTDVcyjo/s400/IMG_8024.JPG" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/slinville/Fargo?feat=embedwebsite">Fargo</a></td></tr></table>
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    I also agree with Chumbox that the "perfect" combo hood usage/drop usage bar (IMO) has yet to be put out on the market.
    I think this may have been GT so kudos to him.

    Anyways...

    Great pictures of the build, gosh it looks so nice.

    So would it be fair to say that when building a Fargo you really need you get a bar that fulfills a majority of 'your' Fargo's intedned purposes?

    Examples:
    Go Kart Mozart and GT appear to do a lot of offroad work on their Fargos currently = they find the Midge a good fit.
    Gnat and JMKM appears to do a lot of path/gravel/some dirt, let's say all rounder work on their Fargos currently = they find the Bell Lap a good fit.
    ATXSS appears do do a lot of road/adventuring on his Fargo currently = he finds the Nitto a good fit.
    Mgersib appears to be doing the offroads currently on his Fargo = he finds the WTB a good fit.

    These are all guesses from what I have read but there appears to be trends forming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    Great pictures of the build, gosh it looks so nice.
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    So would it be fair to say that when building a Fargo you really need you get a bar that fulfills a majority of 'your' Fargo's intedned purposes?
    Thats exactly what I think. Of course, like anything it ends up at your personal preference and intended application. I suppose this conversation really points back to the versatility of the bike. I posted over a month ago in this thread asking riders to describe their type of riding to qualify their bar choices because I was curious to find the optimal setup myself before I even had my frame in hand.

    In the end I got the same multiple answers that you've come to from reading through everyones response. When listening to any one recommendation you've got to think of what the perspective is of that particular rider making the statement. Ultimately you've got to consider what you want the bike to do for you in particular to make the best choice- even then I made the wrong call initially not having had experience with the WTB bar before.

    In this thread alone there is a decent spectrum of different applications of this bike being represented. Good stuff all in all. Great info to base a new build on for future riders.

    Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    In this thread alone there is a decent spectrum of different applications of this bike being represented. Good stuff all in all. Great info to base a new build on for future riders.
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting. How many other bike threads do you see where one bike is being used for so many applications and doing it so well. Hats off to Salsa.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well
    Greatness always catches on. Are you selling completes or frames mainly?

    And on that note and not to deviate but what is the front derailluer clamp diameter for the Fargo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting.
    Greatness always catches on. Are you selling completes or frames mainly?

    And on that note and not to deviate but what is the front derailluer clamp diameter for the Fargo?
    Get you one already.

    28.6 clamp. All completes so far. A couple to folks who had not heard of the bike before coming into the store. I found that interesting, not necessarily just people "in the know." Like I said, it has appeal to a certain type of person at first glance despite whether you've heard of it or even Salsa before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    That's what I think makes the Fargo so exciting. How many other bike threads do you see where one bike is being used for so many applications and doing it so well. Hats off to Salsa.
    Yes, hats off to Salsa for sure!

    Interestingly, Jason Boucher, the head honch at Salsa, said as much to me when we were first discussing the Fargo last year. He said that he fully expected to see a multitude of set ups, some that he probably would never had guessed at.

    I suspect that will play out in the coming weeks and months here.

    I just wanted to point out that Jason and JMKM are also playing with flat bar set ups on Fargo bikes, so I think that even here you will see set ups expressed to suit certain personal preferances that preclude the use of drop bars at all.

    In some ways, there is a too big a "dust up" about these drop bar set ups. I mean, look at road bikes these days. Hardly any consensus there, other than the Pro racer set ups.

    But to get to a point made earlier about all the "complexity" in setting up for drops that provide only "one" hand position, all one has to do is look back to the earliest drop type bars to see that one hand position was really all that was intended to be used on rough, unpaved roads. (See the old bars with the cork grips at the ends of the drops as an example) That said, I find that several positions exist and to say that they are not "useable" is really only in the eye of the beholder.

    I mean, an argument could be made the other way, had drop bar mountain bikes been the norm, rather than the exception.

    It's all perception and personal preferances. That's why the Fargo is such a hit, because it can support so many different interpretations of what is "right" to ride and for "where". No other 29"er, and maybe no other bike can lay claim to this today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    ...Incidentally, we just sold our 4th Fargo in as many weeks from my shop down in Austin. I can't believe how popular this bike is with people at first site. I thought my tastes were farther from the mainstream than that. Oh well
    Yes, one of them is mine. The word is my medium complete will be here next week. I just couldn't pass up the BSS Annual Spring sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudInMyEars
    Yes, one of them is mine. The word is my medium complete will be here next week. I just couldn't pass up the BSS Annual Spring sale.

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    Ah good for you! Lucky timing eh? Just tracked it. Looks like you'll we'll have that guy tomorrow just in time for the weekend if UPS holds up their end of the deal.

    Hope to pass you on the trails one day

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    Greetings all. Amazing pictures - thanks for the inspiration. I've a medium S Fargo frame on order. I plan to put this bike to work hauling me arse and gear on tours. Touring both paved and gravel with sprinkles of off road now possible. Am a little concerned about the front pannier position, I've low rider tubus duo's on order. Judging from the pictures, seems to me I need to get the front load down lower because of the wind we have around here. Am having sscouplers installed after taking a cue from the seditious canary. Thanks guys for the pictures with racks and fenders . I'll post a picture when I get it put together and loaded up. Be back soon.

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    The Fargo is definitely trail-worthy--I cleaned a nasty, loose hill yesterday on the first attempt of the season that I had never cleaned before on my old hardtail, even when in much better shape than I am now. I'm using the Bell Lap bars, and after riding on the road a lot during the winter it's mostly going to be a trail bike until I can get some gravel exploration done this summer.

    Strangely enough, I ran into another Fargo owner in town. His is set up with some kind of moustache-like bars and looks really great.

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    I guess I'll add another point of information to the bar discussion.

    I've got my medium currently setup with a high midge setup, hooks of the bars right about at the saddle. Pretty comfortable in the drops, but I'll say that the top and the hoods feel really high. Almost uncomfortably high. There's a little bit of a stretch to reach the brake levers, which I'm not sure I can eliminate, plus with the bar end shifters there's a slight shift of the hands required to shift. The bar end shifters are super accurate though, better than triggers or the floppy shimano sti shifters.

    I've still got a set of titec jones bars with the XTR floppy shifters in the garage, which I was using before on my 29er. I find them pretty nice for commuting and general off-road use and even some short duty touring (75 miles or less). The single shifter/brake position is super convenient for commuting and the hand position is pretty close to the drop bar position. Plus the middle section is great for lights and a bell.

    Long story longer, I might end up going back and forth on this bike. The jones/floppy shifter setup is hard to beat for all-round type use. The drops are certainly comfy, but I don't feel that all the positions available are really that comfortable for me, as I have them up high enough to really utilize the hooks.

    I'll have to get some pictures up soon, pretty plain jane setup though, XT with Avid Mechs, currently sporting 2.35 big apples, midges, etc. Super commuter mode...

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    My Fargo

    Just a quick look at my new fargo. There are still a few things to do yet but...


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    so, has anyone set up his fargo as single speed yet or am i going to be first (i think i haven't even seen one without multiple chainrings)?
    i'm just waiting for the front wheel.. looking forward to get the rig rolling tomorrow. i will take some pictures then.

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    has anyone else encountered this problem?


    everything else is ready, i just can't mount the front brake without the washer grinding on the disc. no idea what to do... :/

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    Yes...

    I ran into this problem with my fargo. I called Salsa and was told to do one of two things:

    1. Return the fork to your Salsa dealer to get a new fork.

    2. Bolt on a brake adapter and use pliers to bend out the disk brake mount. (This is the method I chose and it worked just fine. The advantage of steel frames.)

    Salsa is aware of the problem and said that it was a hiccup in the production run. They said they are doing method two above when assembling the complete bikes.

    Hope this helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by papajoe
    has anyone else encountered this problem?


    everything else is ready, i just can't mount the front brake without the washer grinding on the disc. no idea what to do... :/

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    I ran into the same problem. Put some tape over the jaws of a crescent wrench, then tighten it down on the brake mount. Pull to the outside just a little bit, and it comes into alignment perfectly. No scratch to the paint, and everything will bolt together nicely.

    I was wondering if Salsa knew about that, but it was an easy fix, so I didn't raise a stink about it.

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    How do I go about sizing for the Fargo? I’m 6’3”, 36” inseam, ride a 61 cm road bike. I haven’t ridden an MTB in ages, but when I did I was on a 21”. I see using the Fargo for long dirt road rides, as a well as on- and maybe off-road touring.

    My current bike is a mid-80s Novara Strada road sport/touring, and I am very comfortable on it. Is has relatively upright geometry. Here are the specs, as I have been able to measure them:
    Top tube 570mm
    Saddle height 810mm
    Top of saddle to handlebar 680mm
    Height difference between saddle and hbar 0mm - however, I am fine with a bar a 4cm or so below the saddle
    Standover at ctr of TT 890mm

    Comparing these specs to the Fargo’s it seems that an XL Fargo is the right choice – but because my Novara is more of a road sport frame, I am not sure if that is an ideal comparison. Any ideas?

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    Fargo - The Perfect Mutant Road Bike?

    My friends and I have been getting into mixed rides (on/off-road with as much offroad as possible)... we call them "mutant road rides", mainly because we transformed (mutated) bikes from the 80s that were originally intended for MTBing (e.g. Trek 950, Giant ATX770 and Specialized Stumpjumper), into "all-road bikes" with Schwalbe Fat Frank slicks or Big Apples on em... These bikes were BORN to be mutant!

    My Fargo is the ultimate mutant... It goes everywhere... I am planning to ride it on a "mutant century" from High Point to Central Jersey over mostly trails and dirt roads. (That's right, Jersey's got some awesome back roads, paths and trails that few people ride)... I rode a 30 mile section of the course a few weeks ago... it included a steep trail climb and a tight, technical single track descent... the Fargo handled both like a champ, and with the Big A tires, it was super comfortable!

    I am running the Titec H-bars... they're awesome. I just swapped out my friction Suntour XC thumbies (sad to say), and went with SRAM XO Gripshifters... Doesn't look nearly as cool, but too many mis-shifts when I least needed it...

    Will post pics from the mutant century ride. The RAGBRAI and Trans Iowa.... Now THOSE were made for the Fargo (especially if you get to weave in a little dirt along the way)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    The RAGBRAI and Trans Iowa.... Now THOSE were made for the Fargo (especially if you get to weave in a little dirt along the way)....
    I fully expect that DP and GT have thrown more than a fair share of dirt our way on this year's TI route based on comments and photos that have been posted. If there was a "Level D" road in the state, I'm fairly certain those two would have found it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by montclairbobbyb
    My Fargo is the ultimate mutant... It goes everywhere... I am planning to ride it on a "mutant century" from High Point to Central Jersey over mostly trails and dirt roads. (That's right, Jersey's got some awesome back roads, paths and trails that few people ride)... I rode a 30 mile section of the course a few weeks ago... it included a steep trail climb and a tight, technical single track descent... the Fargo handled both like a champ, and with the Big A tires, it was super comfortable!
    Now that most of the ice is gone up here, I switched my tires over to the big Apples too. On my other bike, they were great off-road, as long as I stayed on the hardpack. I plan on doing a couple of trips this summer with the Apples too. Have to love the cush ride on the rough roads. It reminds me of my first bike, a banana-seat number with round, bouncy tires. What a ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seankno
    How do I go about sizing for the Fargo?
    We are not ignoring you, this was discussed in the first page of this thread and many other Fargo threads here. You might want to go back and review them first?
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    Anyone have any updates on doing any serious single tracking on the Fargo or are we just talking dirt/gravel here all the time? I suspect GT might have (I have read your previous off road post on twentynineinches). That would be one of my main purposes for a Fargo.

    Sure it's a mountain bike but not seeing a lot of reports of moutain biking being done on it so far, although I'm sure it will hack the abuse.

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    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimm
    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.

    I asked a similar question in another post. I haven't found an XXL but here's a 22"/XL

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    Quote Originally Posted by klydesdale
    I asked a similar question in another post. I haven't found an XXL but here's a 22"/XL
    Yeah, thanks, i found that just a little while ago myself, it looks more fitting to me, but still on the look for the XXL one.

    Im 191cm tall, so i think its between xl and xxl for me, so id love to check out an xxl as well.

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    Rack question

    I've been using the Surly nice rack. Beautifully designed and functional but heavy for my (non-transcontinental) needs. Anyone tried that Civia rear alumium rack on their Fargo yet? Just concerned about the fit on the bike.

    I need something extremely wide to support my Arkel trunk bag properly. I'm aware of the Tubus cargo for similar weight, just figured the Civia was cheaper and I like the Company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimm
    Hi, ive been trying to find a pic online of a xlarge or xxlarge Fargo, but with no luck. Anyone got a pic, or know where i can find one? Im a tall guy and i wanna have a visual look before i get more serious about buying one. I have no local dealer who can bring one in, unless im in the market of actually buying one.
    mgersib has a big one. Here's a post from his blog that shows it well: http://dirtstories.blogspot.com/2009...d-new-wtb.html
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