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    The Salsa Casseroll thread

    Hello all,

    It seems like the Casseroll is such a neat, versatile bike, but I never see much information on it. So, I'm starting a thread that I'm hoping will attract a few fans. I just picked up mine this winter from Jenson, at their great $290 price for the frame and fork. I built it up with spare parts from my bin, so nothing too fancy:



    It's a 57cm, currently set up as a fixed gear (with two gearing options: 46 x 19 and 46 x 23, I think). The rear wheel is a seven speed freehub that my buddy welded shut. This makes it really easy to adjust the chainline, but doesn't have any provision for a flip/flop fixed/free option. That may be my next project, along with some Nitto Noodle handlebars.

    What's in your recipe?

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    A few from RBR:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=116717
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=116596
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...d.php?t=114738 - I love how huge the tires are on this bike!

    One from this very forum:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=298511

    And this is a search for Salsa Casseroll on RBR:
    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sea...archid=1493023

    They are indeed great looking bikes. I'm hoping the 08 sees one underneath me at some time.
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    Ah, there was my problem: I was mis-spelling "Casseroll" as "Casserole." That changes the search results significantly.

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    I am going to spend my Christmas cash on a Casseroll SS complete bike, can't wait.

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    What brake calipers is everyone running on theirs? I am building mine as we speak and need a little help, I know about the Tektro and Cane Creek calipers but am looking at doing Sram across the entire bike. I found a couple auctions on ebay for 49-59mm reach Force calipers but I am not sure if this is the correct measurement for them as my LBS tells me they are short reach calipers. By the way, I also picked mine up from Jenson a couple weeks ago, what a "steel" of a deal. I got the Force/Rival components ordered from the LBS and just got the Force braze on front deraileur from ebay yesterday, I really wish they still made a 28.6 clamp on front deraileur so I wouldn't have had to resort to a braze on with adapter clamp.

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    Here is a pic of my progress the stem and seat post are only temporary till I decide what I need/want.
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    You're outta luck on the Force standard reach. If you don't want the Tektro or CaneCreek (same thing, really), you're left with Shimano Ultegra level. I'm pretty sure Rivendell does something in standard reach too.

    Or you could use the Paul Racer's. Kinda spendy, but pretty.
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    I use the Tektro 521AG (I think that's the number) on mine. So far, I like them--strong and easy to set up. I haven't tried them with fenders yet, though.

    The frame needs long reach calipers. I think these usually run 47-57mm reach.

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    Love the bike. What size is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Love the bike. What size is it?

    My frame is a 47cm and I am trying out a 46cm Salsa Bell Lap bar. If anyone has any experience with this bar feel free to send your feedback on it, I am interested in what I am in for from it.

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    I have bell laps on both my Surly Crosscheck and my Salsa Chili Con Crosso. I think that they are 44cm. I really do like the bars. Lots of options for hand positions.

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    Thats one long head tube for a 47 cm bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Thats one long head tube for a 47 cm bike!
    Seat_Boy's frame is a 57cm, I think you got mine and his mixed up.

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    Salsa Casseroll vs Kogswell PR

    Anyone had the opportunity to ride both of these frames?
    I'm waffling between a 700c PR or a Casseroll. Either one should meet my needs to have a fat tired commuter that could convert to an all day, geared bike on occasion.

    Steve

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    I have the Bell Laps on my Gunnar Crosshairs. I think they're just OK. I don't really like the flare to them, and the ergo part has to be positioned correctly to make it comfortable (when I rotated the bars too far up, the grip position was in a weird spot)

    All in all, I much prefer the Nitto Noodles I had previously (that I sold when I sold my Romulus). I'm getting some new Noodles soon, and those will go on the Salsa. I'll probably go as wide as I can, 48cm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reachout
    My frame is a 47cm and I am trying out a 46cm Salsa Bell Lap bar. If anyone has any experience with this bar feel free to send your feedback on it, I am interested in what I am in for from it.

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    The Casseroll I Whipped Up...

    Here's the Casseroll I built up for my beautiful wife a couple months ago. It's a parts bin special, save for the new WTB saddle and Nitto Moustache bar, but the ride quality is absolutely superb, especially considering the modest cost of the bike. The Salsa team did a great job tuning the ride of the Casseroll to make it one smooth roller.
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    Love mine. 2007 Ginger Beer bought on sale but not as good as the Jenson sale. Size 53cm. First road bike I have owned that allowed me to get the bars at the right height without spacers. Yes, the headtube is that tall. Mostly serves commuter duty, fully fendered out and all, but I did take it out for a fast-paced hilly 32-miler yesterday and it performed great.

    Spec'd out with SRAM Rival, Phil Wood/Open Pro wheels, Thomson & King bits, etc. The first set of pics I took of it didn't come out very well, so I will take some more and add them to this thread.

    I am very close to ordering the SS Complete version also.

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    So there is really no difference in performance between the Cane Creek SCR-3L and the Tektro's?

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    Jason,
    Do I need to make sure my LBS orders my 51 cm ss pretty soon or do you see them in stock for a while?

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    Availability will be tight.....

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Jason,
    Do I need to make sure my LBS orders my 51 cm ss pretty soon or do you see them in stock for a while?
    Well, I don't really want to write this, but the first shipment that is due next week is almost all going to pre booked dealer orders. Specifically, this means if your local dealer has not placed a stocking order, they will likely not be able to get any from this first shipment.

    Specifically, the 51, 53, 55 and 57cm in the SS are sold out. 45, 47, & 49 will be available from QBP.

    All sizes of the Casseroll Triple will still be available after dealer pre orders

    Now, the even worse news. The next shipment will not be here until March and that order should fill the pipeline and have open stock at QBP.

    If your dealers have specific questions, please have them call 877 Moto Ace and ask for Don or Bobby. There are always cancellations.

    Thanks and sorry for the bad news.

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    Wow - amazing build looks great ...
    It's got to be AUSTRIA !!!

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    Very nice...

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    Here's an update on my build; I got a bit impatient and transferred my XTR stuff over along with my riser bar and Thomson stem and post, all I need is a couple cables and a little bit of housing to finish, it will atleast get me out on it till I can get the rest of my Sram stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reachout
    Here's an update on my build; I got a bit impatient and transferred my XTR stuff over along with my riser bar and Thomson stem and post, all I need is a couple cables and a little bit of housing to finish, it will atleast get me out on it till I can get the rest of my Sram stuff.
    That thing looks great. Nice work! I bet it rides awesome... Hopefully you've been able to get out on it once or twice at least!!

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    The casserolles are just too versatile. Great looking in any configuration. Post more please!!!

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    My Super Commuter

    Here's my latest. More pics on my blog.

    Lot's of Japanese parts on this bike. I've got Honjo fenders too, but didn't have time to mount them before today's ride. I'll share the story on the Salsa blog about the parts along with some Casseroll history sometime in the next week.

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    Jason, nice looking ride. I was hoping to get one but missed out on the first shipment. Maybe one from the next shipment, hopefully in March. What size is the bike? Is yours the complete bike with a few changes? Ok, I'll wait for the report on the blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Here's my latest. More pics on my blog.

    Lot's of Japanese parts on this bike. I've got Honjo fenders too, but didn't have time to mount them before today's ride. I'll share the story on the Salsa blog about the parts along with some Casseroll history sometime in the next week.

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    Looks great Jason! Nice rack. Is that the Surly? One of these days I'll get pics of mine up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Here's my latest. More pics on my blog.

    Lot's of Japanese parts on this bike. I've got Honjo fenders too, but didn't have time to mount them before today's ride. I'll share the story on the Salsa blog about the parts along with some Casseroll history sometime in the next week.

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    Ultra hot, my brother. Great story about the genesis of the Casseroll on the Amigos blog too. Thanks for taking the time to post that -- it's a very interesting read.

    My wife Laura is loving her Casseroll. I hope to get one of my own at some point, but since I just got a new La Cruz, "at some point" is probably going to have to come sometime later. It sounds like availability is pretty scarce right now anyway, especially on those beautiful mustard yellow frames that I like so much...

    I dig your parts selection. Given the bike's lineage, you really kept it true to its roots. Nice work.

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    Casseroll Gets PEZed...

    Saw this review the Salsa Casseroll on PEZ Cycling today.
    Check it out HERE.

    My fave line- "But perhaps most astounding – was how much ride experience Salsa offers for just US $1540.00 (Damn – that’s less than the last set of wheels I reviewed!)"
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    Hey MG, I need a ride comparison. Ya know I've been dying to get a Chile. So tell me, how does the La Cruz ride compared to the Chile? The one thing holding me back on the La Cruz is that it will cost me more to build with the disc brakes and wheels compared to swapping the parts from my current cross bike over to a Con Crosso. What cha think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big29
    Hey MG, I need a ride comparison. Ya know I've been dying to get a Chile. So tell me, how does the La Cruz ride compared to the Chile? The one thing holding me back on the La Cruz is that it will cost me more to build with the disc brakes and wheels compared to swapping the parts from my current cross bike over to a Con Crosso. What cha think?
    Hey Big29 -- That's a good question. The Chili is definitely lighter, and perhaps a bit plusher, actually. It's a fast, efficient frame, and it's pretty lively for an alloy-based frame, but it's still not steel. When you ride the La Cruz, you're reminded of that fact. I can't put my finger on it any harder than to say it that way. It's not that one is better than the other, it's just that if you're after "the feel of steel," then you're after a La Cruz, not a CCC. If you want an ultra-light bike to whip your riding buddies like gimps, you're after a CCC, not a La Cruz.

    The La Cruz defines the contemporary quality steel ride, in a 'cross-style bike, much as the El Mariachi defines the breed for a mountain bike, in my mind. It's not ultra light-weight, but it's got the balance thing dialed to 11. It's confident in any situation, road to moderately technical off-road.

    If you've already got wheels to go on a Con Crosso frame, it probably makes the decision a little easier... perhaps. That said, keep in mind the Con Crosso doesn't come with a fork, where the La Cruz frameset does, so you don't have a fork to buy with a La Cruz. You'll have more money for wheels that way... Personally, I prefer discs in every situation.

    That said, I'm not getting rid of my Con Crosso -- NO WAY!! I'm keeping 'em both, because I race in the old guys class in 'cross, which isn't a UCI class, so I can run discs. That means I can have both my CCC and my La Cruz ready for 'cross racin' action. Regardless of which bike I'm riding, I've got an awesome bike ready in the pits!!

    I love both bikes... If you forced me to choose one, I'd just laugh and tell you that it's a good thing I don't really have to choose!
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    Actually...(don't mean to step on your toes or anything Mr. Gersib) but the new 2008 Chili Con Crosso actually does include the fork. Retail pricing will of course be a bit more than last year because of this, but still way cheaper than sourcing one after market...and...it will be in a hot matching graphic scheme courtesy of Alpha Q! Check it out here:

    http://www.salsacycles.com/chiliconcrosso08.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Actually...(don't mean to step on your toes or anything Mr. Gersib) but the new 2008 Chili Con Crosso actually does include the fork. Retail pricing will of course be a bit more than last year because of this, but still way cheaper than sourcing one after market...and...it will be in a hot matching graphic scheme courtesy of Alpha Q! Check it out here:

    http://www.salsacycles.com/chiliconcrosso08.html

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    Very sweet indeed... You did it up right! Thanks for the correction Bobby -- I certainly take no offense. I just hadn't seen the change in spec '07 vs. '08. My bad. You chose the exact right fork for that frame though, as the character of the Alpha Q fork matches the compliance of the rear end perfectly.

    So Big-29, now the choice becomes a bit tougher... but I think if you're primarily buying a racing bike, go CCC. If you're buying more of an 'all-arounder,' to commute on, hit gravel roads, maybe put racks and fenders on and do some touring on, I'd lean more towards the La Cruz.
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    Here is my little commuter's photo.
    Mine has shimano wh500 wheel and panaracer pacera 28mm now.
    equipped with MINOURA rear rack. The parts were transplanted from my crashed panasonic bike. ( When I had no bike after crash, I saw nice little caseroll frame hanging in my LBS. )

    Do anybody kindly recommend most comfy tire and wheel (or rim )
    for caseroll of suburban commuter ? I'd rather use slightly plump ones.
    The road pavement a litlle rough surface here.
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    Onigiri,

    Joe Meiser here, one of the designers for the Casseroll frame. I would suggest either 28 or 32c tires for your Casseroll. I have two Casseroll's, one setup as a geared 2x10 commuter with rack and fenders, one setup as a fixed gear with rack and fenders. My favorite tires for a durable comfortable road tire are the Schwalbe Stelvio 28's. They are very supple with 100 psi in them, handle well, and are very durable. My first set of Stelvio's were 23's. I put them on a fixed gear and got close to 3000 miles out of them. When those wore out I bought 28's and have been riding them for 2+ seasons, year round here in Minnesota. My second favorite tire is the Panaracer T-Serv. I bought a set of these when we first recieved sample Casseroll frames. The rear one finally wore through the tread and I had to replace it after the sidewall was slashed by some road debris. I did ride it with a dollar bill reinforcing the slashed area for a week before I replaced it. The front has not been replaced in 3 years and has about 5000 miles on it.

    It is good to hear that you Love your Casseroll, it looks like a great build!

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    Joe,
    Thank you for the suggestion. How tough those tires are !

    I love this bike well. I'm happy to hear from designer.
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    new bars

    Hey all,

    I wanted to check in and show you my latest Casseroll. The build I had shown in post #1 gave me quite a back ache after an hours ride. I'm just getting too old (35) for those low down bars. So, after a couple of stem and bar changes, I think I've achieved comfort:



    A 48cm Nitto Noodle with an uncut steerer tube and a shorter stem with some rise (I'm going for the highest bar award). It's been miserably cold and dark here to get much riding in, but it feels good on my short jaunts. Maybe this weekend I'll finally be able to get out for a longer ride.

    Next up: A Brooks B17N and possibly... gears. I haven't ridden a geared bike in quite a while, but I'm feeling a temptation for a down tube shifter and a 1x9 setup. Maybe even try to get it to index, if my old worn parts will allow that.

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    Finally got some decent photos of mine...this mostly serves as my commuter, but I have taken it out on a couple fast 30+ mile hilly road rides too and been very pleased.

    Set up with full SRAM Rival (love it) save for the long reach Tektro brakes, Phil Wood/Open Pro wheelset, various King/Thomson bits, etc. I just threw the SDG saddle on the other day after nabbing the Storika that it was wearing for my "weekend" road bike. Not sure if the tiger print really suits the bike, but it sure is comfy!!

    Anyway, here are the pics.
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    Very nice! I really like my La Raza, but the thought of a Casseroll with Rival just like yours is really starting to take hold.

    I do have a silly question, though: do the fenders slow you down any? I've always wondered about that.

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    Good looking.
    I also set handle bar higher by 2 cm than before, and I feel better with it on commuting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJ
    Very nice! I really like my La Raza, but the thought of a Casseroll with Rival just like yours is really starting to take hold.

    I do have a silly question, though: do the fenders slow you down any? I've always wondered about that.

    JJ
    I have always used little clip on fenders in the past, which were very mediocre, so this is my first bike with full fenders, and they rock in the wet weather! Do they slow me down? Nah. Will they come off once our rainy season ends? Yes.

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    Jason,
    Are you still looking for the next shipment of SS Casserolls to land late March, in a 51 or 53?

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    Late March or Early April

    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    Jason,
    Are you still looking for the next shipment of SS Casserolls to land late March, in a 51 or 53?
    Still awaiting final shipping notification, but so far I expect them the last week of March or 1st week of April. Both sizes. Good quantity and stock. I'll update this thread if anything changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    I have always used little clip on fenders in the past, which were very mediocre, so this is my first bike with full fenders, and they rock in the wet weather! Do they slow me down? Nah. Will they come off once our rainy season ends? Yes.
    Cool. So is this also your "go fast" bike, or do you just ride it for fun/commuting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJ
    Cool. So is this also your "go fast" bike, or do you just ride it for fun/commuting?

    JJ
    Mostly commuting. It was also my "go fast" bike until I got something else to fill that niche recently.

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    Jason,

    I'm just wondering if you have ever weighed a complete 59cm Casseroll w/ gears. I'm clyde so weight isn't that big of a deal, but I'm more curious than anything.

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    Any thoughts on frame size? I am ordering a SS complete but don't have any frames to sit on. I'm 6'2" tall with a 85cm inseam. Can't decide between a 55cm or 57cm frame...looks like the 57cm would have a standover height that would be a bit high.

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    Standover isn't too bad on these frame, since they're a compact (semi-compact?) design. I'd go more by top tube length. These seem to run a bit long. I'm 6'3" with a 57 cm. That has a 60cm top tube, which is just a bit long for me. I have to run an 85mm or so stem to make it work.

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    New Sushi Casseroll on the Table

    Finally built up my Salsa Casseroll (another one from Jenson for $289) and took it for a 30 miler test ride on a gorgeous Southern day. Rode really well and no problems - no hands at roughly 25 mph and no wobble. This is my first build - although I had my LBS face headset / bottom bracket. Many thanks for inspiration from Commuter Man/MB1, Dave Hickey and the rest of you Casserollers and Commuters. And, a big thanks to my buddy Andy who has given me tons of input, great ideas and links to numerous cool websites (I hope he likes it).

    My intent is to build a "speedy" commuter will all silver componets so I can start commuting to work a few days a month. My commute will be a hilly +/- 12 miles in Atlanta thru neighborhoods and into downtown (not a great commuter ride).

    I've dubbed it the "Sushi Casseroll" because I chose mostly Japanese parts: Shimano Ultegra drive train and hubs, long reach brakes, 105 brifters, compact crank (which i intend to replace with something that looks and performs better). The stem (UI-5GX), seat post (N63) and bars (Sobars) are Nitto. Non Japanese parts are Selle San Marco Regal Saddle (anyone know where i can pick one up with nickle/silver rivets???), Mavic Open Pro rims and DT spokes. The tires are Michellin KrylionI 25s but plan to find more commuter friendly 28s. still need to add rear rack and fenders. Bottle cages are from my Litespeed Tuscany so they'll be replaced as well as switching out the Salsa Seat collar from black to silver.
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    xtracycle?

    Has anyone considered adding an xtracycle to their Casseroll? Thinking about adding one to mine for a little more versatility in running errends, getting groceries, etc. and don't really want to build up an entire new bike to do so(the Surly Big Stupid does look cool though!). I think the ultimate would be to put the bike rack option on the xtracycle, then ues it to ride/tour to cool MTB trails while hauling my singlespeed and some camping gear!
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    You COULD do it on a geared bike, but I wouldn't reccomend it!

    Derailleurs are for failures!

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    Hey there Skidmark, Joe Meiser here, designer for Salsa Cycles and the Casseroll dropouts. I have to say that I would recommend against attaching an Xtracycle to the Casseroll. I'm flattered that you would choose it as a potential candidate, but wouldn't advise it. Here's why, the tube specification on the Casseroll is not suited to handle the additional torsion that an Xtracycle add on would add. The frame wouldn't fail immediately, but it wouldn't handle well at all with any load whatsoever. it would be an absolute noodle to say the least.

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    Glad I posted here first! Nothing like getting feedback straight from the designer. I apreciate it. Guess I'll look into the surly. I could always use another bike I suppose.
    You COULD do it on a geared bike, but I wouldn't reccomend it!

    Derailleurs are for failures!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    Guess I'll look into the surly. I could always use another bike I suppose.
    Gonna be listing my 56cm Cross Check for sale soon. If that's your size, and you're interested, I'd be happy to provide the build specs. Complete or just f&f.

    PS to the mods...I will buy an ad regardless.

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    dropouts

    Joe, any chance you'll make those dropouts available to aftermarket builders? It's basically everything I want (in a dropout, at least): long, forward facing opening, derailer hanger, eyelets, polished clamp surfaces... You did a great job on this one.

    Of course, I just ordered a custom frame last year, so I'm not due for a while, but someday....

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    Hey there Skidmark, Joe Meiser here, designer for Salsa Cycles and the Casseroll dropouts.

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    Already available through QBP

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    Joe, any chance you'll make those dropouts available to aftermarket builders? It's basically everything I want (in a dropout, at least): long, forward facing opening, derailer hanger, eyelets, polished clamp surfaces... You did a great job on this one.

    Of course, I just ordered a custom frame last year, so I'm not due for a while, but someday....

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    Hello all,

    What's in your recipe?

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    Mine's a pretty strait forward road bike. I was going for a classic looking ride that I could commute and bike camp with. I'll probably end up putting more miles on it than my Comotion Espresso this year (which is far racier- but has couplers for travel.) Its just so comfy and suits my style of mostly solo exploration road rides. Looking to put a nice front nitto rack on it with a bag for the digital SLR.
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    ATXSS (and other Casserollers): What size is your frame and what's your height/inseam? I am deciding between a Casseroll and a Honky Tonk, and having a tough time figuring out the Casseroll sizing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklesandwich
    ATXSS (and other Casserollers): What size is your frame and what's your height/inseam? I am deciding between a Casseroll and a Honky Tonk, and having a tough time figuring out the Casseroll sizing...
    I have 94 cm (37") inseam, I'm 6'-4" and have a 59 cm (62 cm traditional) Casseroll.
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    Use your desired TT length as a starting point.

    Quote Originally Posted by knucklesandwich
    ATXSS (and other Casserollers): What size is your frame and what's your height/inseam? I am deciding between a Casseroll and a Honky Tonk, and having a tough time figuring out the Casseroll sizing...
    Determine your Top Tube length and buy the casseroll with that same TT. The Casseroll has a gentle 3cm slope. Meaning, our 53 has a 56 Top Tube, 55 has a 58 TT, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklesandwich
    ATXSS (and other Casserollers): What size is your frame and what's your height/inseam? I am deciding between a Casseroll and a Honky Tonk, and having a tough time figuring out the Casseroll sizing...

    I'm 5'11" with a 32" inseam. I ride the 53cm listed size which is equivalent to a standard 56cm bike. I chose based on the top tube which is I think 56.5 cm on this bike. Fits perfect with the same size stem I've used on other road bikes with similar top tubes.

    Keep in mind a distinction of the Casseroll from another road or cross frame you've ridden is the head tubes are refreshingly longer on this bike. I like that I'm not using the same standard 30-50mm of spacers that I put on every other road frame to suit my tastes.

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    Anyone know if you can put the 33mm Jack Brown tires on the Casseroll and still get fenders over them? I really want this bike, and that's the only holdup I have at this instant.

    Thanks all for the help. Norton

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    my Salsa scorcher!

    I'm still toying around with my Casseroll, trying to find a nice place for it in my bike "fleet." Here it is post ride Saturday:



    Nothing extraordinary, just a mix of new stuff (9 speed) (or is that old by now?) and old (friction down tube shifters). But that was too close to my Gunnar Crosshairs, so I decided on something different:





    My inspiration:




    To the guy who asked about the Jack Browns: these tires are Hutchinson Acrobats, nominally 38mm wide, but actually about 32 at the casing. I don't think you could fit a fender in there with my brakes (the Tektro long reach).

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    Just stumbled onto this thread trying to poach some DIY tubeless know-how from MG.

    Anyway, here's a couple pics of mine gussied up for Dirty Kanza at the end of the month. Couple weight weiner upgrades. CB Opium HS, as it matches the panels, Antique brown Brooks, as it matches the panels. (Pretty much a fashion slave.) WI FW. Phil Ti bb, Moots post, ilink housing, TR WCS stem, Carbon bars. Set up About 64X.Very comfy on longer (>100mls) gravel and double track dirt rides. Very stable, even on ~40mph downhill gravel. Might swap the stock wheels out, might not. Very impressed w/ the Delgado Cross rims, enough to get 4 more for some other projects.

    Notice the stock head badge placement?! May have to fix that one with a Gary Fisher sticker.
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    why is the headbadge upside-down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadiegonebad
    why is the headbadge upside-down?
    Not sure. That's the way it came. Doesn't look like it was removed and reattached.

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    Nice scorcher!

    Here's a tip from Wes Williams who may have actually built that Ibis frame you have pictured. He uses big wide cruiser bars (think beach cruiser) flipped and cut slightly shorter to get the big curved bar effect featured on that ibis. Any shop can source you one similar to this.
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    Does this mean you would advise against ever pulling a BOB trailer or pulling the kids around in a Burley Trailer?? That's horrible to me, why would you not design it with that strength there? Yikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    Hey there Skidmark, Joe Meiser here, designer for Salsa Cycles and the Casseroll dropouts. I have to say that I would recommend against attaching an Xtracycle to the Casseroll. I'm flattered that you would choose it as a potential candidate, but wouldn't advise it. Here's why, the tube specification on the Casseroll is not suited to handle the additional torsion that an Xtracycle add on would add. The frame wouldn't fail immediately, but it wouldn't handle well at all with any load whatsoever. it would be an absolute noodle to say the least.

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    BleepBip,

    This does not mean that I would advise against pulling a trailer with the bike. A trailer, attached to the rear triangle or rear axle is very different than bolting an Xtracycle attachment to the bike. You should not be concerned with pulling a trailer behind the Casseroll.

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    Excellent! Thanks for clarifying that as I am the middle of ordering my frame and build kit. I should be able to post it up sometime next week. I am mostly using 105 components and using my $ on some nice Easton wheels. It should be a speedy little commuter. At least that is the goal. =)


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    BleepBip,

    This does not mean that I would advise against pulling a trailer with the bike. A trailer, attached to the rear triangle or rear axle is very different than bolting an Xtracycle attachment to the bike. You should not be concerned with pulling a trailer behind the Casseroll.

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    How does the Casseroll compare to the Gunnar Sport?

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    commuter

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    i want one of these bikes so bad.... i may have to sell my current road bike to get one.

    anyone looking for a custom scandium 54cm road frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib
    Just stumbled onto this thread trying to poach some DIY tubeless know-how from MG.

    Anyway, here's a couple pics of mine gussied up for Dirty Kanza at the end of the month. Couple weight weiner upgrades. CB Opium HS, as it matches the panels, Antique brown Brooks, as it matches the panels. (Pretty much a fashion slave.) WI FW. Phil Ti bb, Moots post, ilink housing, TR WCS stem, Carbon bars. Set up About 64X.Very comfy on longer (>100mls) gravel and double track dirt rides. Very stable, even on ~40mph downhill gravel. Might swap the stock wheels out, might not. Very impressed w/ the Delgado Cross rims, enough to get 4 more for some other projects.

    Notice the stock head badge placement?! May have to fix that one with a Gary Fisher sticker.
    dp

    Can this spicy brown mustard single be run with gears? I'm really wanting a Casseroll
    and would prefer this color over the ginger beer. Just want the option for gears in the future.
    And a good day to you sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nucmedjim
    Can this spicy brown mustard single be run with gears? I'm really wanting a Casseroll
    and would prefer this color over the ginger beer. Just want the option for gears in the future.
    That is an affirmative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd.sahib
    Just stumbled onto this thread trying to poach some DIY tubeless know-how from MG.

    Anyway, here's a couple pics of mine gussied up for Dirty Kanza at the end of the month. Couple weight weiner upgrades. CB Opium HS, as it matches the panels, Antique brown Brooks, as it matches the panels. (Pretty much a fashion slave.) WI FW. Phil Ti bb, Moots post, ilink housing, TR WCS stem, Carbon bars. Set up About 64X.Very comfy on longer (>100mls) gravel and double track dirt rides. Very stable, even on ~40mph downhill gravel. Might swap the stock wheels out, might not. Very impressed w/ the Delgado Cross rims, enough to get 4 more for some other projects.

    Notice the stock head badge placement?! May have to fix that one with a Gary Fisher sticker.
    dp
    Hey dp... You need know-how, you've got it. Whatever you wanna' know, just PM me here, or send me an email. dirtstories at g mail and i'll hook ya' up with whatever you need. i've actually been thinking about tinkering (in mikesee speak, "thinkering") with laura's casseroll... i bet that thing would be sweet with some tubeless marathon racers on its delgado cross rims rollin' the getto tubeless system. hooboy!! it might end up being the excuse i need to get one for myself (is that an excuse?)... regardless, if i got one it'd definitely be one of the sweet mustard ones like you've got dp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkydub
    Finally built up my Salsa Casseroll (another one from Jenson for $289) and took it for a 30 miler test ride on a gorgeous Southern day. Rode really well and no problems - no hands at roughly 25 mph and no wobble. This is my first build - although I had my LBS face headset / bottom bracket. Many thanks for inspiration from Commuter Man/MB1, Dave Hickey and the rest of you Casserollers and Commuters. And, a big thanks to my buddy Andy who has given me tons of input, great ideas and links to numerous cool websites (I hope he likes it).

    My intent is to build a "speedy" commuter will all silver componets so I can start commuting to work a few days a month. My commute will be a hilly +/- 12 miles in Atlanta thru neighborhoods and into downtown (not a great commuter ride).

    I've dubbed it the "Sushi Casseroll" because I chose mostly Japanese parts: Shimano Ultegra drive train and hubs, long reach brakes, 105 brifters, compact crank (which i intend to replace with something that looks and performs better). The stem (UI-5GX), seat post (N63) and bars (Sobars) are Nitto. Non Japanese parts are Selle San Marco Regal Saddle (anyone know where i can pick one up with nickle/silver rivets???), Mavic Open Pro rims and DT spokes. The tires are Michellin KrylionI 25s but plan to find more commuter friendly 28s. still need to add rear rack and fenders. Bottle cages are from my Litespeed Tuscany so they'll be replaced as well as switching out the Salsa Seat collar from black to silver.
    Super nice build, and great pics. Thanks for sharing those! Hope you're loving your Casseroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    That is an affirmative.
    Thanks, I figured that was a deraleur hanger on there. Now just need to figure out
    the right size frame.
    And a good day to you sir!

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    Casseroll Single

    Here's mine. It's a Casseroll Single (complete). I just picked it up last week. The Product Manager on this bike did his/her job very well. So many nice details and great parts specification. By the way, The bike pictured is a 55cm, which translates roughly to a 58cm. I'm 6' 2" and the bike fits great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gazzatmb
    Here's mine. It's a Casseroll Single (complete). I just picked it up last week. The Product Manager on this bike did his/her job very well. So many nice details and great parts specification. By the way, The bike pictured is a 55cm, which translates roughly to a 58cm. I'm 6' 2" and the bike fits great.
    VERY NICE. Great photo. I've been scouring this site and rbr.com trying to find more
    pics of that baby since I'm now in full blown want. Post up more if you can. For the price and the way that thing is spec'd I think it's a great value. Does the flip flop hub come with a fixie cog? Also,
    has anyone gotten theirs from EMS?
    And a good day to you sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nucmedjim
    Thanks, I figured that was a deraleur hanger on there. Now just need to figure out
    the right size frame.
    No problem! What size traditional (non-sloping) road bike would you typically ride? Salsa says to take the size you'd ride and subtract 3cm (so if you'd ride a 58cm "standard" frame, you'd ride a 55cm Casseroll). That's how I sized up my La Cruz and Chili Con Crosso 'cross frames, and it worked out perfect.

    For a Casseroll, I'd think about trying a 57cm however, because I'm right on the cusp of needing a 60cm on a standard road frame. The thinking is that I'd go with a little larger frame for the strictly road frame, but hopefully it wouldn't end up seeming too large. It's a little bit of a gamble since the 55s have worked out so well for me on the 'cross bikes.
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    Hi nucmedjim. No, a fixed cog (and lock ring) does not come with the complete bike. But you can just pick up a cog and lock ring from Surly; that's what I did. (I love their products.) I bought this bike from my Local Bike Shop (LBS). I like doing business with them and I believe that we should support our LBS' whenever we can. You can order your Salsa through your LBS. Virtually all shops have a dealer account with Quality Bicycle Products (QBP). I don't think the Salsa Casseroll Single complete is in the 2008 QBP catalog (NB: I could be wrong), but all your shop needs to do is call them; they have them in stock.

    Pull the trigger on this bike. It's a great deal and I seriously doubt you will regret it. There are just so many things that you can do with this frame.

    Enjoy (more pics below).
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    Awesome. Thanks!
    And a good day to you sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    No problem! What size traditional (non-sloping) road bike would you typically ride?
    Well, my LBS sized me up for 51cm and it's currently on order to be ready by
    the end of this week!!!!!!! Ohhh yes I'm excited!!! Will post pics when the oven timer
    goes off.
    And a good day to you sir!

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    I am getting ready to switch cranksets over from my XTR triple to an Ultegra double(6500) that uses the octalink BB, does anyone know what axle length BB to use?

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    If my memory serves me correctly you will want a 109.5 BB - from what I have read and seen the Casseroll should have clearance for usual chainline with this crankset.

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    Here's mine that I rode the parkway on this year

    great bike and really comfortable. Here she is fully loaded and on her way back south to NC from VA. Had a great time and really enjoyed my 'roll.
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    Very nice looking bike, and set-up. What panniers are you using? They look like Rivendell panniers, but appears to be a darker canvas than my seat bag from them.

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    They are actually Frost River. I got them off ebay directly from the maker. I got the waxed canvas handlebar bag, seat bag, and panniers from him. Nice stuff but I had to add a hard panel to the inside of the panniers to avoid them possibly getting into the spokes. Check out their stuff, they are of the same quality as Rivendell but a good bit cheaper.

    http://www.frostriver.com/bike_bags/hwy1_panniers.html

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    Anyone know why the Single Complete is spec'd with 700X37 tires if you need a 32 to run fenders?

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    Nice. I'm always amazed at how much better the Salsa paint looks in good light and close up. IMHO Salsa and QBP have ever been able to capture the unique qualities of the paint in their photos. I guess that's why we all enjoy seeing our rides here on MTBR. Keep 'em coming. Good stuff.
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    Figure I should post mine too. 59cm ginger beer frame and fork, ended up as a scorcher-ish fixed gear. The geometry is great for flared drops like the midge (my favorite!), with that low bb and tall headtube. Keeps me loose and pedaling on those long rides. 28mm Pasela's currently, think I'll try something fatter and knobbier next.

    Great job, salsa!
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    PMan, Is the painted stem that matches the single speed available as an option if a longer stem is needed?

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    More Casseroll time

    We had a nice warm fall day and got out and about. I was able to get a little time in on some of the local bootleg atv trails along the river. My wife caught us going and coming.

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    Nice vids there b.d.! I think your casseroll spends more time in dirt than it was designed for, but I know you really like that rig!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayTee705
    Anyone know why the Single Complete is spec'd with 700X37 tires if you need a 32 to run fenders?

    Don't know but I think it's a mistake. I can't imagine that anyone really wants to ride 37c tires on this bike. I know the 37's will be the first thing to go when mine finally arrives (has been backordered for almost two months now).

    I ordered the singlespeed because I liked the color better. I will likely switch it to a 1x9, though I could ride it fixed, since my current fixie doesn't have fender capability.

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    I am just about convinced to buy a single speed casseroll after looking at all the pics and reading the comments. I was originally thinking about a cyclocross bike for winter / dirt road riding. I have a Dos Niner for single track and technical riding but was looking for a good dirt / gravel road bike. Is this the bike I need or should I stick with the cyclocross idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaMtbRider
    I am just about convinced to buy a single speed casseroll after looking at all the pics and reading the comments. I was originally thinking about a cyclocross bike for winter / dirt road riding. I have a Dos Niner for single track and technical riding but was looking for a good dirt / gravel road bike. Is this the bike I need or should I stick with the cyclocross idea?
    The Casseroll is not designed to ride off-road whatsoever. I have been strictly warned by the folks at Salsa about this regarding my wife's Casseroll because they know me (and my riding style) too well. That said, I know bd.sahib has ridden his Casseroll in waaaaay worse conditions than Salsa designed the bike for, and it's still kickin', so I'd say it's a matter of whatever you're willing to risk.

    Personally, I'd go with a La Cruz... In fact, that's what I did.
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    First off, I agree whole heartedly with what MG says. I started riding the Casseroll beyond it's "intended purpose" on a gravel detour. I appreciated the stability of the bike, which I attribute to lower bb (bb drop), the choice of tubing, and the overall geometry. I guess I'd say you can get by with certain things depending on riding style and the patience to pick the smoothest line even if its not the fastest. The one caveat I would bring up is mud clearance with larger tires.

    I think the Casseroll Single is a truly amazing machine for all day comfort. For gravel and dirt the La Cruz would be a better choice, especially in winter riding conditions.I've also been comparing the geometry of the Casseroll with the Fargo (bb drop again).

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    Thanks for the feedback. I am still not decided on what I am going to do. If I go with a La Cruz I would just by the frame and build it up with Rival components and stuff I have laying around the garage. It would cost more than the Casseroll but might be the way to go.

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    I have been running cross tires on my Casseroll off and on for a while now. I ride it on gravel and hardpack. It serves me quite well, although we don't get a lot of mud down here in NC so YEMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgersib
    The Casseroll is not designed to ride off-road whatsoever. I have been strictly warned by the folks at Salsa about this regarding my wife's Casseroll because they know me (and my riding style) too well. That said, I know bd.sahib has ridden his Casseroll in waaaaay worse conditions than Salsa designed the bike for, and it's still kickin', so I'd say it's a matter of whatever you're willing to risk.

    Personally, I'd go with a La Cruz... In fact, that's what I did.
    Seems like "dirt road" and "off road" are two totally different things no? as long as its a road that a typical vehicle can travel on the Casseroll should be fine.

    Just like the old Rando. days eh?

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    I decided to go ahead with the Casseroll single speed . I got it two days ago and have put 50 road miles on it so far. I love the smooth ride with the steel frame and the big tires. I have gotten used to 23mm tires at 120 psi on my road bike. This thing just feels so plush with the bigger tires. It fits really well, and is a little slower steering than what I normally ride but it is super stable in the corners and over rough pavement. I still plan on doing some easy dirt road riding with it. Hopefully by next fall I can add a cyclocross bike to the garage and use it for some racing and more of the winter dirt road riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaMtbRider
    I decided to go ahead with the Casseroll single speed .
    Sounds like a winning plan. I think you'll stay pleased with your choice.

    I'm in the middle of re-working my casseroll. It is primarily a commuter now so I'm switching up the build a bit. I've got some Honjo fenders on the way and I'm setting it up with my Nitto Noodle and bar end shifters. Most recently I had a moustache bar on it but I can't say it is as comfortable for me as normal drops.

    Working on bikes comes last to taking care of the household and our 2 kiddos (one newborn) so its been partially completed in the stand for a couple weeks.

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    Anybody running their Cass with Neuvation wheels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    PMan, Is the painted stem that matches the single speed available as an option if a longer stem is needed?
    I imagine they show up used on occasion. This guy got one somehow:
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    Quote Originally Posted by black cross
    PMan, Is the painted stem that matches the single speed available as an option if a longer stem is needed?
    Sorry, but the color-matched versions are not available aftermarket. We do, however sell the exact same stem in black, in a wide variety of sizes.

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    What's the clearance like on one of these if you are running something like a 32mm CX tire? I imagine that would be getting close to the brake caliper on even a long reach. One of these would be fun to get and do an occasional single speed CX race on.

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    Quick picture of my Casseroll.
    ~53(56) Frame
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    folks - here's another another Casseroll for you. This is my commuter. Great how you can ride it over speed humps, into potholes, kerbs, street detritus etc without feeling a thing. Just don't try to go fast. Just for fun, I left the carbon roadie at home, and took it out with a bunch of people who were riding Cervelos, Times and Looks. Obviously I got a slaying.


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    Another one on the way, just got my frameset in. It'll have these parts on it:

    Red Hope headset
    Salsa S&S bar
    Black Hope stem
    R650 brakes
    R700 compact cranks
    Hope Pro 3 on Open Pro's
    Force shifters and rear der.
    105 Front der.
    Charge Knife saddle
    USE Carbon post
    Red Ritchey bar tape

    I already had the Hope stem and seatpost, otherwise I would have gone with silver bars, stem and post and tan saddle and tape, but I think the black and red should be good. Can't wait to build it....
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    Well I finally got it built and loving it, so much more comfortable than my Cannondale R1000 and it looks pretty cool. Think it looks better with the black Ksyriums as opposed to the handbuilt Hope/Open Pro's, but atleast I can work on them myself and the hubs are nice. Was hoping to go tubeless but found out as they were being finished that the Open Pro's are one of the only rims that won't convert!

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    I've just had my LBS order a Casseroll SS Complete for me. I'll be converting it to a geared triple. Can't wait.
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    Conversion to come soon, but right now it is a lot of fun to ride as a single speed.



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    I am hours away from pulling the trigger on a casseroll single speed. I am still hung up on what size. Without being able to ride one I am somewhat guessing. 6'1", 34.5-35" actual inseam. Riding a 59cm Surly and it seems to fit nearly spot on, but I tend to ride on the shoulders where I would probably spend most times on the hoods on the casseroll. The 55 might put me on a bike slightly small, while the 57 would put me on one a little large, so whats worse? Any help would be appreciated, I cant wait to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixinflag
    I am hours away from pulling the trigger on a casseroll single speed. I am still hung up on what size. Without being able to ride one I am somewhat guessing. 6'1", 34.5-35" actual inseam. Riding a 59cm Surly and it seems to fit nearly spot on, but I tend to ride on the shoulders where I would probably spend most times in the drops on the casseroll. The 55 might put me on a bike slightly small, while the 57 would put me on one a little large, so whats worse? Any help would be appreciated, I cant wait to get one.
    Hope this helps:

    I am 1" shorter than you with an actual inseam about 1/2" less. My gold standard for bike fit is my Bridgestone RB-1 size 57.5 with a 57.5cm TT and a 110mm stem. My size 55 Casseroll fits me just on the large side of ideal. The standover is about as close as I would want to go, not hitting anything solid, but barely any clearance. I have the saddle mounted near the front of its adjustment range with plenty of room to slide it rearward if needed. The reach to the handlebars with the standard 100mm stem is just a little long for casual riding but would be fine for a more aggressive riding style. I think if I change to a 90mm stem, I'll be right where I want to be, duplicating the contact points of my RB-1. I believe this would still be the right size frame for me if I was an inch taller.
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    FYI, if people haven't heard yet, QBP seems to be blowing out '09 Casseroll single speed bikes for < $600. I ordered mine Monday

    I went a size up from my original Casseroll, 57cm --> 59cm. I think this will fit a bit better. And I like the mustard yellow color over the ginger beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    FYI, if people haven't heard yet, QBP seems to be blowing out '09 Casseroll single speed bikes for < $600. I ordered mine Monday

    I went a size up from my original Casseroll, 57cm --> 59cm. I think this will fit a bit better. And I like the mustard yellow color over the ginger beer.
    Holy smokes thanks for the heads up! They were $735 last week and I thought that was a good price...now only question is 51 or 53...I once had a ginger beer size 53 set up with gears and it was a *tad* big (I fit best on a 55cm road frame) so I wonder if a 51 will be better for me....mmmm mustard....

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    Yep. Universal Cycles has them for $625 with free shipping. Was going to go that direction with plans to convert to triple later, but found a shop demo triple in my size on the bay at a nice discount off the going rate for new ones.

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    I got mine for $595 shipped from Speedgoat. I ordered it Monday, and it looks like it will arrive today.
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    Here's my new Cas on its maiden voyage:



    That's a 59cm frame. I really like the mustard yellow much better than the ginger beer color. It seems to change from orangey inside, to gold under natural light.

    I didn't realize the chainguard came standard. That'll probably go, since my plan is to eventually set this up as a two ring front, for easy gear changes. Maybe with a White Industries Dos freewheel someday when I'm feeling rich.
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    The conversion begins. I hope to finish it tomorrow and ride it Thursday.
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    Blues Dawg, I like that you have Hunter S. Thompson books mixed in with your tools.

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    Pretty much finished for now.
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    Single spec

    So I've been riding my new Cass single speed around for a couple of days. It's funny how such a smartly designed frame has such a poor component selection. Here's my rant:

    Tires:
    Salsa spec: Continental Contact 37mm--too fat to allow a fender, and heavier than need be
    Smart spec: 32mm Panaracer Pasela--still fat for rough streets, but lighter and you can fit a fender.

    Rims:
    Salsa spec: Salsa Delgado Cross--for a bike that Salsa says is not a 'cross bike and shouldn't be ridden off road, why have a 'cross rim?
    Smart spec: anything narrower and lighter, Mavic Open Pro or whatever

    Hubs:
    Salsa spec: The Surly hubs are pretty, but why bolt on?
    Smart spec: the quick realease version. It would hold fine with a Shimano QR, in my experience with this type of dropout (the Casseroll triple gets a rear QR!)

    Crank:
    Salsa spec: 130 BCD--do customers of this bike really want to run a 53t ring?
    Smart spec: 110 BCD would give a wider range of chainring choices

    Gearing:
    Salsa spec: 48 x 18 = 72 gear inches, pretty high
    Smart spec: a 42 x 17 = 67 gear inches, more workable for most people

    Brakes:
    Salsa spec: Tektro R536
    Smart spec: Tektro R538 allows the brake to open wider to clear fat tires on narrower rims.

    Fork:
    Salsa spec: Unicrown
    Smart spec: Lugged. OK, this is mostly my personal aesthetic preference, but a lugged fork does give more tire clearance and allow longer fork legs, which should ride a bit smoother.

    That's it. Despite the preceding, I can't complain too much. I paid barely more than the frameset cost for the complete bike, and I have boxes full of parts to make it a better bike. But Salsa should do this right in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    So I've been riding my new Cass single speed around for a couple of days. It's funny how such a smartly designed frame has such a poor component selection. Here's my rant:
    The wide tires and cyclocross rims makes for a a great urban assault vehicle.

    Bolt-on hubs is the right way to go for fixed gear (hubs are flip flop). You might could get away with QR, but not ideal.

    130 BCD rings are readily available from 38 to 53.

    Stock 81 gear-inch gearing (48x16 on my bike) works in some places, not in others, Easily changeable to optimize.

    The on-brake quick release combined with the quick release feature on the brake levers offers a pretty wide opening for wide tires.

    I like lugs and curved legs on forks too, but the Casseroll fork rides smoothly and has lots of clearance.

    I think Salsa's spec offers great function and value, especially at the price they're blowing them out for at present.
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    Casseroll

    I've had my Casseroll for about a year now. It started off life as a singlespeed and now it's got an Ultegra group 10 speed setup. At some point I'd like to get the Paul Racers to fit over the HUMUNGOUS, yet plush tires... but that'll have to wait for now.

    I loved the bike as a single speed, but the thing moves very nicely now with some gears. I only wish I could figure out how to make the chain guard work with a front derailleur. Literally, my only lame complaint.

    I love this bike. It pulls my kids in the Burley trailer wonderfully.

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    I've had my Casseroll for about a year now. It started off life as a singlespeed and now it's got an Ultegra group 10 speed setup. At some point I'd like to get the Paul Racers to fit over the HUMUNGOUS, yet plush tires... but that'll have to wait for now.

    I loved the bike as a single speed, but the thing moves very nicely now with some gears. I only wish I could figure out how to make the chain guard work with a front derailleur. Literally, my only lame complaint.

    I love this bike. It pulls my kids in the Burley trailer wonderfully.

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    Hey, what type of clearence are you getting with the Paul's? I did a Dirt Randonee with my Casserole earlier this year and had difficulty clearing 34's (knobbies) with the stock brakes. Pics would be really awesome here.

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    I haven't ordered them yet. I've got a few other things I have to do before I get a luxury like the Pauls for now, since it's just an inconvenience with the current brakes. I wish they just opened a little bit more to clear the tires. New tires >$60. New Paul Racers >$200 plus. lol.

    I'm not sure which Racers the bike will take, I haven't called them yet.

    Has anyone done the Salsa Recall (for the stem) yet? I don't have a local dealer... I guess I'll have to call the 800 number to see what they are looking for.

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    Here's a funny picture from today's ride:



    I've started to fix some of the things I don't like about the Salsa's spec:

    - 28mm tires instead of 37mm
    - reduced the gearing a bit (right now, 48 x 19 fixed, but I'll eventually change it to a 39/44 x 17 fixed/18 FW setup when I get the 44t chainring)
    - added a Brooks saddle, mostly so I could carry this big seat bag I've wanted to use for a while (it only attaches to the Brooks saddle bag loops)
    - removed the chainguard
    - replaced the rear bolt on axle for a QR. It holds better, and makes running a dual chainring setup/manual gear change much easier. In my experience, the bolt on slipped twice on me (out of two rides), but the QR holds fine, even up today's slow, grinding climb. $16 well spent!

    Anyway, with the QR axle, new tires, and a gearing change on the way, I'm pretty happy with the spec. I'm coming to terms with the fork, and the brakes and rims aren't a big enough issue to spend any money to fix.

    Here's a washed out picture of the new iteration:

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    I like the bag. What is it?

    Oddly, we have had the opposite experiences with rear axle slip. I never had it slip while I was running the bolt on setup. After converting to the geared rear wheel and quick release, I had the axle slip the first time I rode it a few miles. I kept noticing the tire rubbing the fender and thought the fender was moving. When I looked closer I realized that the wheel was cocked to one side because the axle was sliding forward in the drive side dropout. Tightening the QR was all it took to resolve the problem. I'm glad I have Shimano QRs as they hold tighter than the external cam type.
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    A few changes. Shorter stem (Ritchey Pro). A Specialized computer. Baggins Candy Bar front bag to go with the Baggins Banana saddle bag.
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    Salsa Casseroll.

    Tiagra on Open Pros 32
    Full Deore w/48/36/26 and 11-32 trekking groupset
    9-speed shimano bar-end shifters
    Easton post, Brooks B17 saddle
    Hope Headset, Ritchey Stem, Salsa S&S Bar, Cinelli Tape
    Shimano R600 levers, Rsomething brakes
    Panaracer Pasela TG 32 tyres

    Still need to cut the steerer tube!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

    Salsa Casseroll.

    Tiagra on Open Pros 32
    Full Deore w/48/36/26 and 11-32 trekking groupset
    9-speed shimano bar-end shifters
    Easton post, Brooks B17 saddle
    Hope Headset, Ritchey Stem, Salsa S&S Bar, Cinelli Tape
    Shimano R600 levers, Rsomething brakes
    Panaracer Pasela TG 32 tyres

    Still need to cut the steerer tube!
    Nice build.
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    Finally got mine today, went with the 55cm, I think it should fit. I will post pictures once the frame saver sets up and I get it all together.

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    I'm a late convert to the single speed scene. This will be my winter training bike while the snow is still flying (I'm looking at another month of that in upstate NY). I might convert it to a 1x9 later. I've got to say, this thing is a tank. The Delgado rims are 515 grams! I could put regular wheels on with a 9 speed cassette and it probably wouldn't add any weight.

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    I just picked up my casseroll SS today. Very nice bike and I love the geometry and riding position. I noticed the acceleration isn't quite as snappy as I expected - 515g rims will do that! However it will very forgiving.
    The twenty-nine inch wheel.

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    While I love my Casseroll, nothing about it is snappy. The bike is a tank.

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    I like my Casseroll too. I like the fact you can ride in to potholes and off kerbs without feeling a thing. Of course, this means when you stamp on the gas ...errr... nothing happens. TBH - mine's lovely, but it goes like a barge towing several anchors. If I want to go anywhere fast I'll take the carbon bike.

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    It's my first 'roadie' so I'm enjoying the easy rolling, but my brothers Kona Band Wagon is noticeably quicker - even though it retails for the same amount.
    Nice to have Salsa branded components.
    The shimano brakes on the Band Wagon are much more powerful than the tektro brakes on the Casseroll.
    I was pleasantly suprised to find my bike came with the matching cromoto stem, but aren't these affected by the recall? Are they really a risk on a road bike?
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    I would get on the Salsa website and contact them. I don't know if they made any more color-matched stems after the recall. More recent bikes had non-Salsa stems. I know they had to open the boxes and swap out the bad ones. It could be they missed one. They will probably need the serial number of the bike.

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    My Casseroll

    For those of you who want to see another standard casseroll, here it is.
    Loving the bike though as others have said it really is a tank.
    New wheels at some point perhaps.
    My brothers Band Wagon is the other bike.
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    Hi,
    I got my Casseroll SS for Christmas but only started riding it last Thursday because of the extra long winter and because it looks cool sitting here beside my computer. I have a cross bike for the road and a hybrid ( both Specialized) which are a lot of fun, but I don't see them getting any action any time soon. I am hooked. It is flat where I live and ride and I wish I had gone single speed a long time ago. I may sell my Tricross and pick up another Casseroll. It is awesome. Very comfy, and way faster than my other bikes. If there is anyone out thinking about buying one and you have the space and means, you have to do it.
    Have fun.

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    I just paid for my Casseroll Single tonight, and should be able to pick it up tomorrow after it gets put together. Sold a Lemond Poprad last week, and decided that I'd have this for winter training indoors, and for days when I just need to do something different. It'll be a nice addition to my Pistola, La Cruz, and El Mariachi 29'r. I suppose they'll discontinue it next year...

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    The bike will change for sure: Salsa is selling down their existing stock this year - so they said on another thread. After not being sure how much I would ride mine, I've been taking it out for long rides in the country - those wheels are perfect for the broken pavement - dirt - gravel farm roads where I like to ride. Put on a lower gear (65) and I can take this thing almost anywhere. When I want to hit the steeper hills I use my road or cross bike.

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    Yeah...I'm a spinner, so I'm a little concerned about the stock gearing, but I'll give it a shot. For the price I got it for, I can afford to make some tweaks. I may even make it a 1 x 10 at some point, but the whole point was to have something for the trainer in the winter...but with benefits!

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    I rode a century on my Casseroll this past Saturday. Most comfortable and relaxed I have ever felt on a century ride. Definitely a "Ride and Smile" experience.
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    New Rider Wanting to Buy

    Hello all. Some good deals on this bike right now and I think I need to get me one. This, however, would be my first road bike and I am unsure which size to go with (I understand that 3cm should be added to the stated size of the frame. I am 5'10" and wondering if a 51cm or 53cm size bike would work for me. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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    Im about 5-10/11 ad went with a 53, but I usually ride a 56/57 roadie.

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    I would think a 53, but if you have relatively long legs and a short torso and arms, the 51 may be better. If you can't find a Casseroll to test ride, maybe you can try some other road bikes to get an idea of the size that fits you best.
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    For compact frames like Salsas, the top tube is the more critical dimension. A 53 Casseroll has a 56 TT and a 51 Casseroll has a 54.5 TT so you should test ride bikes at your LBS that have those dimensions. If your not buying the Casseroll from them you should pay for a fitting, if they do that.

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    Rode my Casseroll from London to Amsterdam in Feb, so thought I'd post a couple of Casseroll light touring pics:


    (yes thats snow on the ground. It was chuffin cold!)


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    On the North Sea Cycle route....


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    Very cool - is that a Nexus hub? Didn't know you can get it with bar-end control. I would love to build up my SS Casseroll with an internal hub like that.

    Edit: nevermind, answered my own question. Jtek shifter w/ Nexus. Sheldon Brown had the answer, as usual.
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    ... and another one ... This one is built as an all weather training road bike. Sometimes I miss the original paint job but IMO the all black scheme makes a stronger impact.
    Wheels are build with Stans ZTR355 29er rims and Schwalbe Kojak 700x35 tyres. I run them tubeless with just a yellow strip, at max 60PSI .

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    I see you don't like decals, even covering up the crank with black tape and using black marker on the tires! I like color myself. Love your tubeless conversion, I might try the same with the Contis that came OEM with my Cass SS. At 60psi I'll bet it's a nice cushy ride on gravel.

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    The ride quality on Kojaks is fantastic but I'm toying with an idea of trying 28mm wire Gatorskins at 80PSI. I realize it's generally a AREA but there's a guy somewhere running succsessfuly Armadilos at that pressure... In Stans rims I trust.

    Yeah I generally don't like branding. It's just too obvious and with lots of new riders with fancy bikes and no idea coming to sport (UK), I feel like I need to make a (under)statement.

    Actually you've just given me a brilliant idea. My bike stickers could spell some generic component names like rim, cranks, tyre... instead of brand names. Sort of "It's not about the bike." message

    The IF sticker is perhaps a bit naff but it was the only interesting one in a small size
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    I like the stealth look, but the IF sticker seems almost deceptive.
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    Still not sure what to do with the stem
    I can either powder coat it like the frame or... put a matching 3T seatpost on.
    Any input appreciated
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    Rebuilt the wheels with silver open pro's and double-butted spokes, with a 18t cog on the flip side. Vittoria rubino pro tires (700x28) round out the spinny bits, and a Max Flite gel flow saddle to keep my hindquarters happy. I also have a set of yellow anodized Soma track pedals and 4-gate clips w/double straps for commuter duties. Rides like a dream.

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    Just got myself a 57cm Casseroll triple on clearance from the LBS for $750; unfortunately, it had the recalled color-matched stem so I am waiting on a replacement before I can tune it up and ride

    Couldn't pass up such a good deal even though I had to sell my beloved Bianchi San Jose to help finance it. I'm looking forward to doing longer and more challenging rides now that I have 29 more gears to work with.

    The Casseroll looks to be everything I've ever wanted in a roadie and I can't wait to put in some serious miles. I'll post pics when I get it up and running. The suspense is killing me!

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    Short vid of my newish Casseroll SS

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    Great lookin' bikes everybody! I never get tired of seeing the many Cassaroll pics.
    For those of you who aren't using any cable stops or down tube shifters have you maybe considered finding some pre-drilled dice? I found some black dice with white spots at a BMX specialty shop that were intended as Schrader valve covers then I drilled them out a little bigger and then epoxied them to the shifter bosses. For my girl's pinkish single speed I used white dice and spray painted them a similar pink and then I used testors enamel for the dice dimples. Just a sayin'.

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    I just got a Casseroll. What fender width will these fit? I will probably get them from VO.
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    SS to geared conversion

    I got my wife a SS Casseroll and eventually I plan to convert it to a geared bike. It looks as though I can add an inner chainring to the stock crank but do I need to replace the outer big ring? The teeth do not look ramped as they do on my other cranksets. I am planning on running some alt bars like Velo Orange Milan or Tourist with MTB style levers and grip shifters. I guess I'll have to build or buy a new rear wheel when the time comes. There are a lot of little parts I am aware I'll need to buy (downtube barrel adjustors, BB cable guide, etc). I have the shifters, derailleurs, and cassette although I considered going IGH for a time (cost prohibitive). Any tips from those who have made the conversion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrythewound
    I got my wife a SS Casseroll and eventually I plan to convert it to a geared bike. It looks as though I can add an inner chainring to the stock crank but do I need to replace the outer big ring? The teeth do not look ramped as they do on my other cranksets. I am planning on running some alt bars like Velo Orange Milan or Tourist with MTB style levers and grip shifters. I guess I'll have to build or buy a new rear wheel when the time comes. There are a lot of little parts I am aware I'll need to buy (downtube barrel adjustors, BB cable guide, etc). I have the shifters, derailleurs, and cassette although I considered going IGH for a time (cost prohibitive). Any tips from those who have made the conversion?
    Its straight forward. I bought a set of wheels and a Sram Apex group for mine already. All you need are then the adjusters and BB cable guide. It will be a piece of cake. I actually bought another Casseroll while I had the chance so I could have both a SS and a geared bike.
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    UPS brought me a single complete today. Got it for under $500 shipped. Plan to re-build it geared with the ultegra group from my old bike (Trek y-foil), and sell off most of the included parts.

    Wow, this frame is really something to look at! I LOVE the color. The red/purple part is more red than I was expecting, and the Gulden's Mustard is very cool, IMO. My wife, who is normally not that exited about bikes, was impressed.

    Now I leave for a week and have to wait until I am back to play with it. Oh, the humanity!
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    Has the price of the new 2011 Complete been posted anywhere yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTFargo
    Has the price of the new 2011 Complete been posted anywhere yet?
    I searched everywhere and couldn't find it. The friendly guys at Salsa replied to my request with $1199 which seems pretty reasonable. I'm gettin' one for sure.

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    Build finished (mostly).

    Finished building up the frame. The only parts I ended up using from the SS complete kit were the brake calipers (though I replaced the pads), seat clamp, and headset. Everything else was from my old bike (Trek Y-foil). The caliper arm opposite the cable attachment on both calipers was out of alignment, and I had to use a crescent wrench to tweak them straight.

    I have the 23c tires that were on the old bike so I can get a more accurate comparison of the frames (I will eventually order some Marathon Supremes in 32c). A quick spin around the neighborhood with the same wheelset, tires, CF bar and tire pressure is enough to know this is NOT as smooth as the Y-Foil was, but that is asking a lot. It is also not as smooth as my wife's CF bike with similar tires and pressure. Not a big deal as I was not expecting it to be. I plan to run fatter tires at lower psi then either of those other bikes would allow, and I think that will outweigh the differences in the frame/fork smoothness. It does feel a little more springy and lively, but I will need some more time on it to see how that plays out.

    I've left the steerer a bit long until I have everything dialed in. The second stem is for mounting a handlebar bag in a low position.
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    A bit of an update on the SS-geared conversion I am attempting. I thought I was just going to be able to add a smaller chainring to the stock Sugino crankset but the outer ring is not ramped and pinned. Rather than buy another outer ring I was thinking of just buying a new (affordable) double crankset. If I go that route I run into issues with the bottom bracket. Do I need to get a new bottom bracket as well to match a new crank? If I buy a square taper compatible crankset will the spacing work for running a double up front? The triple casseroll from salsa comes with an external Tiagra BB. If I just want a double will the stock Sugino BB work or do I need to rethink everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrythewound
    A bit of an update on the SS-geared conversion I am attempting. I thought I was just going to be able to add a smaller chainring to the stock Sugino crankset but the outer ring is not ramped and pinned. Rather than buy another outer ring I was thinking of just buying a new (affordable) double crankset. If I go that route I run into issues with the bottom bracket. Do I need to get a new bottom bracket as well to match a new crank? If I buy a square taper compatible crankset will the spacing work for running a double up front? The triple casseroll from salsa comes with an external Tiagra BB. If I just want a double will the stock Sugino BB work or do I need to rethink everything?
    The bb it comes with is fairly short so that the OUTER ring is in the optimum (45mm chainline) position. If you want to run that crank as a double, you need the longer bb.

    However, before you get a new bb and rings to make this work as a double, keep in mind that this is a standard double crankset, not a compact double. If this is what you want that is fine, but I think most people would prefer a compact double for this bike.

    If you try to get another square taper double crank, I doubt you will find one that uses a 103mm length bb. That is really short. So you would still likely need a new bb.

    I would just plan to get a new crankset and bb. It opens a lot more options to you in terms of ring size and bb style.
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    Thanks for the detailed info, I appreciate the insight. There are tons of NOS double cranks on ebay, I'll look into one of those most likely. Seems cheaper in the long run and I'll try to unload the stock BB and crank to offset the cost.

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    I have this bike in a SS. I put 4000 miles on it last year. I picked up this bike shown below over Christmas off this website. Loving it.
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    Finally got the stem and bar setup dialed in. I ditched the idea of the bar bag or front rack because the cables from the shifters make then a little awkward to get in and out of. I might replace the rear rack at some point. I would like to find one that matches the silver look of the components, but they are pretty expensive.

    Anyway, I am absolutely LOVING this bike! I am now doing rides as long as anything in the past and feeling much less worn out (back, hands, neck) than on my old road bike with a more competitive setup and skinny-ass tires. I am just a tad slower on this, but I am not racing and I can go farther than before and enjoy it a lot more.

    The tires are Jack Browns 33.3c, Green Label. They are incredibly fast and smooooooth. I tried the stock tires (Conti Contacts) and thought they were actually pretty good for mixed paved/unpaved used. Very quiet and smooth rolling, but kinda slow. I got a set of Schwalbe Marathon Supremes in 35c, due to some raving reviews on-line and from the LBS and was pretty unhappy with the performance. Seemed no faster than the Contacts (despite being a lot lighter), and felt harsh and noisy. The Jack Browns are noticeably faster than either other tire, and at least as smooth as the Contacts. They are more of a paved road tire than paved/unpaved, but the volume does make dirt roads perfectly manageable and smooth. I certainly do not avoid them. The only downside to the Green Labels is that they are pretty thin and not particularly flat resistant. I've gone about 400 or so mikes and got one flat. That is as many as the previous several thousand miles on the Gatorskins on my old bike, though I do ride this over surfaces I would not have on the 23c Gatorskins. If I run into flat problems, I might try the Blue Labels.
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    Bump! Let's get this guy going again folks who! Here's your oppurtunity to post those tasty fresh updated Casserolls.

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    Have any of you taken a single Casseroll and made it a 1x9? I know I would need a different version of the standard rear wheel. If so what did you use and why? I like my bike as a single sometimes. I would like to try it the other way.

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    Have any of you taken a single Casseroll and made it a 1x9? I know I would need a different version of the standard rear wheel. If so what did you use and why? I like my bike as a single sometimes. I would like to try it the other way.
    I made mine a 3x9.

    All you need is any rear 700c wheel with a 8-9-10 speed hub. I use an old ultegra road wheelset. The wheels on the stock Cass SS are way heavier and stouter than they need to be, IMO.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commutenow View Post
    Have any of you taken a single Casseroll and made it a 1x9? I know I would need a different version of the standard rear wheel. If so what did you use and why? I like my bike as a single sometimes. I would like to try it the other way.
    Quite a few people have. As soon as I purchased my bike I rebuilt it as a 1x10 using Rival. Basically kept the frameset/crank/brakes/seatpost and replaced the rest. That was 3-4 years ago now.

    Did it that way because i wanted the mustard color.

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    Which brand of rack works best for the rear to bypass the brake cable adjuster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by commutenow View Post
    Which brand of rack works best for the rear to bypass the brake cable adjuster?
    On mine (size 47cm) the attachment points on the seat stays near the brake bridge are pretty much useless due to the non-drive side being directly blocked by the brake cable and adjuster. Instead, I just used a single rack stabilizer attached to the brake bolt. This rack is a Topeak Explorer, but any rack with some way to attack this kind of stabilizer would work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by commutenow View Post
    Which brand of rack works best for the rear to bypass the brake cable adjuster?
    On my 55cm Casseroll SS, I use an Axiom rack with curved brackets. I used four knurled nuts from presta valve tubes as spacers to move the left side bracket out beyond the brake cable.

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    Thanks for some great suggestions about racks.

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    I took a picture, but keep forgetting to upload it.

    I used a long bolt, with one nut & lock washer to lock tension against the frame and a second nut & washer to lock tension against the rack stay. Clearance is tight with the tubus cosmo (straight stays), but it has worked and stayed tight for a couple years. I've moved it roughly the same amount as the picture with the stem nuts. Maybe a little less.

    It hadn't occurred to me that size would affect things so much, but it's clear from some of these pictures that the smaller frames would present more of a challenge. Mine is the largest size.

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    Here's some photos of my wife's commuter setup:

    Running a Racktime rack. All I did was slightly bend the non-drive seat stay arm:





    And the finished product. FYI, It's a smaller frame (49 cm):


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    Have any of you used a Pass and Stowe porter front rack on your casseroles?

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    Took a ride out to the beach today - perfect time to take a pic of my our Casserolls (hers and mine, respectively):



    Just added 35c T-Servs to hers, and yes, they fit with plenty of room.

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    I know this is an older thread, but I need some Cass specific input from riders, hopefully of smaller frames. I just bought a 51 2011 Cass from my LBS. It rides super awesome and I love it except for one thing, the awful toe overlap the small frame combined with my size 10 lady feet.
    I have a always dealt with "mild grazing" of my toes on most of my bikes because I am a short enigma combination of a petite female with clown feet. But the Cass takes it to a whole other level and I don't just graze, I can actually stop my tire with my forefoot. At speed, obviously I lean more than wheel turn so thus far, I haven't offed myself going fast but I did a grocery errand run last night and there was some snowy patches that required slow turning and weaving, this is where it got hairy a few times.
    Is this just something I will subconsciously get used to and compensate for? I didn't test a ton of models before I bought the Cass last Monday and my old road bike had 650s on it and had a more rearward BB than the Cass does. I had toe graze on occasion but just barely.
    The toe thing is just so extremely new to me with it being so pronounced. Advice?

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    a petite female with clown feet
    Sexy

    On a serious note, I don't see that there is much that can be done without compromising other aspects of your bike fit. The only thing that I can think of that would have a direct impact on that is cleat position and/or shoe selection. Moving the cleats forward would help a bit but then you may not have your foot in a comfortable position. Of all my riding shoes there is a huge difference between Sidis and Keens, my Keens are huge an hit just about everything whereas my Sidis are like ballerina shoes.

    If none of those work, then maybe chinese foot binding.

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    Due to odd sizing requirements, I'm on a 47 cm cass with size 9 men's feet. There is a lot of toe overlap. On typical low speed turns I've just trained myself to keep the inside foot forward, thus out of the way of the wheel. It has really been a non issue...... until the other day when I was riding on some mild singletrack. On a slower, technical (for a road bike) climb, where I was turning sharply while pedaling, I was hitting my toe on the tire a lot. Of course, I seldom ever ride singletrack with this bike, so It's not a big deal.
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Well, I rode it for a 17 miler this evening, same paved city winding trail, less snow and ice, it was also still light out and I could go faster than my errand run a few days ago. I had one time of a toe graze with my dominate forward foot when this teenage skateboarder couldn't decide what side of the trail he wanted to be on(hmmm....large beats by dre headphones can't help the cause any). So once he again drifted off to my left, I accelerated and passed him but my toe grazed a bit when I made the move initially. Not bad, but there. That was the only time I had toe overlap though. The rest of the ride, I found myself making the correct foot adjustment prior to turning, kindof like you end up doing with bumps or obstacles. It will take time but I am sure after a while, it will become second nature.
    With the shoes I will normally use(Converse All Stars), I have about 1.5" toe overlap in a wheel turn on my 51cm frame. It doesn't helps that I stuck some Rock n Road 42s on it either. I do plan on riding light trail with it, but mainly it is my town bike. I have a Pusgley that I ride off road mainly.
    This is only my second road bike ever though, so that was why I asked. My Qunitana Roo with 650s never had overlap issues and my Pugs just clears my toes also. The Cass rides great otherwise.

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    Don't think I posted my bike here yet.

    Her name is Lisa.

    The Salsa Casseroll thread-555064_10152640202460246_1499004208_n.jpg

    The Salsa Casseroll thread-537632_10152640205365246_1718161618_n.jpg

    Added a Brooks saddle and a higher stem.

    Looking for what to add next! Thinking a higher handlebar, like the Seven Tiberius?

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    My Casseroll commuter

    The Salsa Casseroll thread-salsacasseroll2.jpg

    Nitto RB-002 bars. Swapped in a Vaya fork to get the front disc brake, an Avid BB7 road. 1x10 setup, 45T Alfine crank in the front, 11-36T XT cog with Ultegra derailleur in the rear. At 60rpm that gives me a speed range of 5 to 21 mph. According to Shimano, Ultegra can only handle up to a 28 tooth in the cog, but my mechanic figured it would work with a 36T and it does!

    XT hubs and 29'er wheels - totally overbuilt but I gave the mechanic latitude on those parts and that's what he elected to go with. If I were to do it again I'd go with lighter weight road wheels and hubs. SKS Longboard fenders, Wald folding baskets, Dura Ace Triathlon bar end shifter on the right, Cane Creek 200 brake lever on the left. Specialized Nimbus 700x35c tires.

    Not gonna win any races but is an ultra reliable commuter.

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