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    New Bucksaw Thread

    didnt find one ,but i just picked up a new 2015 bucksaw xo build so i thought i would start a new one...

    just picked it up today...already ordered a set of trp spykes for it since the sram brakes locked up within minutes of being test ridden...and an absolute black 30 tooth oval chainring..

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    got the tires set up tubeless today...unfortunately its 107 outside but should be cooler tomorrow...
    the absolute black oval chainring,trp brakes,and a set of gold jagwire brake cables on the way,should have the bike pretty well dialed in by next weekend...

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    looks great, what size tire is that on the back?

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    both are 3.8's

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    got out finally for a little dialing in ride...pretty fun bike i gotta say...i can see now why everyone on full squish bikes is always popping off every little trail feature...turns out its fun!

    anyway..replaced the chain today to solve the backpedaling/chain dropping issue,moved the dropper remote,think everything is ready to roll on the trails tomorrow...

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    managed to get the bucksaw dirty today...got out to the trails for a quick 10 mile loop over familiar ground to get a feel for the bike,didnt really push it too hard,just enough to get a sense of how it rides...

    i like it! climbs well,didnt seem to wander during low speed climbs,did a great job easing bad line line choices,did great on a loose,rocky,chunder-y climb that i only make about half the time...seems like a fun,capable bike...

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    Great looking Bucksaw hampsterspam, nice ride report. They're a great bike for the rough stuff, rocks and roots disappear under the big rubber, very forgiving for those occasional poor line choices! I love mine for exploring off the beaten track
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    being a desert dweller im a bit bummed about the single bottle cage...may have to pick up a frame bag so i can at least get the tools/tube/tire pump off my back...but a real eye opener,having only ridden hardtails and full rigid for so long i wrongly thought since i prefer climbing over bombing downhill that suspension wasnt any help for climbing...turns out i was wrong on that,at least in the case of this bike...
    yeah,its a really fun bike to ride,i already find myself looking for those little features to pop off...not that i wasnt doing that before,but the bucksaw makes it both easier and more forgiving of slightly off timing...

    brakes and oval chainring should be in by tomorrow,and maybe down the line a rear hub upgrade...but maybe not,the salsa hubs feel pretty good,and i know surly rims are weighty and fussy to set up tubeless,(this time was no problem),but they are pretty bombproof...and i got such a good deal on this bike even if i do get an I9 for it i will still have saved 2 grand over the msrp...

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    Here's a look at the Salsa frame bag, it's a good fit and you can squeeze a fair bit in although it is a small space.
    I looked at the Wolf Tooth B-Rad double bottle adapter, looks like a great way to add another bottle but I would be afraid of knee contact through the technical stuff, might be a good solution to your water problem.
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    fortunately i dont really mind wearing a pack...and i always have the option of riding my ice cream truck which has plenty of bottle mounts on longer,more exploratory rides...i figure the bucksaw will mostly be for trail riding and shorter adventure rides...but yeah,i think a frame bag will be in order,useful thing to have...i have frame bags for the rest of the fleet...

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    got my TRP spyke brakes/levers,jagwire brake cables,and absolute black 30 tooth oval chainring in yesterday and installed...the brakes are pretty darn nice,setup was super easy,the absolute black chainring is of course a piece of machined loveliness...

    all was well until the frickin dropper post seized up mid-ride...so thats the sram guide brakes seized within 5 minutes and now the sram owned company dropper post failed within 20 uses over 2 rides...less than a week and 2 major parts out for warranty...

    which sucks because the bike itself is a blast,and of course the xo shifter/derailleur combo is like ninja ginsu shifting...man it is snappy!

    at any rate,the brakes are replaced,picked up a rigid seatpost....never had a dropper before and did just fine without it,so not in any hurry to replace it...

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    i guess this is why i dont buy complete bikes anymore...im very happy with the bike itself,just not the unreliable garbage they attached to it...

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    Ordered my XL X01 yesterday. Planning on running it 29 with i40's and 2.6 nobby nic's until 2.8 options become available. Anyone looking to buy a new takeoff wheelset let me know

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    i was thinking i would get a set of 27.5 x 3 wheels built up since salsa seems ok with the idea....although the extra float from the bigger tire is nice around here,most of the places i would ride the bucksaw its not needed...and those places where it would come in handy a 5 inch tire is going to do better so i would be more prone to taking the ICT...for now im just gonna stick with the stock wheels...this bike absorbed the bike budget for a while...i was gonna get a set of I9 wheels laced up full custom for my straggler,but thats gonna have to wait...considering i got the bucksaw for about 500 more than a set of custom wheels would cost i did good!

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    got the bucksaw out for a trail day yesterday...

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    My Bucksaw arrived for father's day this year. It's absolutely a great bike. I can't believe how well it bombs downhill.

    After my first few rides on the trails I realized that 1x with a 30 tooth is for people that live in areas without hills or with better knees than I have. A direct mount crank with a 28 tooth chainring is on order and should be here next week.

    The 2016 closeouts were a great deal on these bikes.

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    i put a 30 tooth oval on mine,i was actually having trouble keeping the front end on the ground on the steeper climbs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sluglike View Post
    My Bucksaw arrived for father's day this year. It's absolutely a great bike. I can't believe how well it bombs downhill.

    After my first few rides on the trails I realized that 1x with a 30 tooth is for people that live in areas without hills or with better knees than I have. A direct mount crank with a 28 tooth chainring is on order and should be here next week.

    The 2016 closeouts were a great deal on these bikes.
    I went with a 28 tooth DM Sram GXP 1400 and have been happy with it (26T for winter), just a little bit easier on the knees during those long climbs!
    I'm thinking that the GX Eagle might be just the ticket for keeping the 30T up front but still being able to climb.

    I've got a 27+ wheelset on the wishlist as it gets such positive reviews, but so far I've been happy on the stock Vanhelga's, a fun bike it seems no matter what sneakers you choose to put on it
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    Congrats on the Bucksaw you are definitely going to love it. I like you hate backpacks and have tried quite a few. At the end of the day i prefer nothing on my back. Here is what i did to get rid of the pack. Tool bag under my seat. Inner tube wrapped around my frame and secured by 3 velcro straps. I see a lot of guys just use electrical tape to messy and 1 time use for me. Water bottle with drinking tube attachment purchased from amazon. There is a double bottle holder available. I use an additional single attached to the back bottom side of my dropper for rides that are longer than 1.5 hours.

    If you really want to see the bucksaw shine rent a shockwiz and get your fork and shock tuned in really good. This made a huge difference in my bikes performance with some settings I would have never have tried. Example my bluto has 60lbs of air and 3 tokens and performs amazing.

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    Enjoy!!!!
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    "i guess this is why i dont buy complete bikes anymore...im very happy with the bike itself,just not the unreliable garbage they attached to it..."

    So true a bike is only as good as the some of it parts.
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    2016 Salsa Bucksaw X01

    Just got my XL assembled. In 29 mode for now waiting for the trails to dry out. I lusted after these when they first hit but gave up on having one a while back because of price. Couldn't pass it up at this price!

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    another fun sesh on the bucksaw today...really great bike...
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    I have been thinking of picking one of these up, not sure if I should go with the carbon model or aluminum one. And im not sure what size to go for, salsa site says medium, I normaly ride large, im going to try and find a demo to make that process easier.

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    im liking mine a lot...aside from the brake and dropper issues,both got squared away,but its still a bummer when your new bike wont go...

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    Okay here is my dilemma
    2016 Alu X01 for 2300 or
    2017 Carbon GX for 4300... my budget was right around 3800 so I would be paying 500 over but if I go Alu I could add Carbon rims and still be in budget, So is the carbon frame worth 2 grand to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Okay here is my dilemma
    2016 Alu X01 for 2300 or
    2017 Carbon GX for 4300... my budget was right around 3800 so I would be paying 500 over but if I go Alu I could add Carbon rims and still be in budget, So is the carbon frame worth 2 grand to me?
    There are probably still 2016 carbon models available for 4500. Those come with carbon rims and much nicer components than the 2017 GX models. I see that Universal still has these in medium and large.

    If you can decide on a size your shop can order one in for you if they are available.

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    think of it this way,im about 200lbs kitted up to ride,add the bike weight to that and the difference between a carbon frame and alloy is like 2% difference...and the alloy bike has a better set of components so i think a better value...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    ... the alloy bike has a better set of components so i think a better value...
    Definitely. The 2016 X01 has better components than the 2017 GX1 model.

    Another option is to see if there's a 2016 GX bike available in the area. Those are $2300 which leaves a lot of $$$ for any upgrades in the budget.

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    yup,got my 2015 xo1 for 2100 and put about 300 into it for trp spyke brakes and an absolute black oval chainring and i figure i will get a 27.5x3 wheelset at some point so another 1200 or so there...so figure 4 grand by the time im done which is still a grand less than it would have cost and i will have 2 wheelsets...and a frame bag at some point too...

    just rained here so there may be something resembling traction on the trails tomorrow which is always different than the usual kitty litter ball bearings over sun baked ceramic...

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    Well I pulled the trigger and bought the Blue 2016 XO1 for 2200, thats an amazing deal on a brand new Bucksaw...I found some Whisky no9 carbon wheels selling for 600 bucks but the rear has light damage....not sure if I want that risk, the surly marge lights get a pretty good review so I may roll those first and see...I am definitely buying some Jumbo Jim tires, those nates are pigs.
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    the xo1 has super crisp shifting...
    marge lights arent that light but they are pretty bombproof...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Well I pulled the trigger and bought the Blue 2016 XO1 for 2200, thats an amazing deal on a brand new Bucksaw...

    I am definitely buying some Jumbo Jim tires, those nates are pigs.
    That's a great price on a very good bike! Enjoy it.

    If you want to sell the Nates send me a DM.

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    sure am having fun on my bucksaw...sure is different after riding rigid bikes for so long...still wrapping my head around the whole line choice not as important just smash your way through aspect of things...

    i like the way it climbs,cleaned a bunch of sections of a fairly tough little climb today...

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    Has anyone had any problems setting the Marge lites tubeless? I bought some Orange seal tape and valve stems and also just ordered some Jumbo Jim tires, Are they the same as any other wheel? or is there some special technique I need to know? My bike arrives Thursday and im getting really excited, I also ordered some Raceface chester pedals in turquoise.
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    i used gorilla tape and about 3 full wraps...

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    I used clownshoe rim strips over the standard ones. They've been solid.

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    Well I got my bike and put it all together, tonight was my first ride and I really like this bike! Now ive had my Hightower set up with plus tires before and ive ridden a mojo 3 with plus tires and I can say the Bucksaw is a funner bike to me...I know where talking 40mm rims vs 70mm and 2.8 vs 4.0 but everything felt better to me. I cant wait til I get it set up tubeless with the Jumbo Jims.

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    went out today for a spin myself,still loving it,getting used to riding a suspension bike

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    Loving mine too! Last weekend was first ride, a 30 miler. 10 xc, 10 asphalt, 10 technical xc. Probably the longest I'll do this year. I ran rougarous on rabbit holes. PR'ed a rocky section about 5 miles in, but lost traction on a fast corner after running it too wide. Maybe would have been fine if tires were not worn. Adjusted pressure up asphalt to roll better then back down for the last trail. Went too low at 10 and had some squirm but managed. Next going to try 29 on i40's rims. Innova transformer front. Fat b nimble rear

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    got out for 35 miles and 3k of climbing on the bucksaw today...cleaned a climb i only make about half the time...ripped a descent which was super fun as i was able to catch air in a few spots...

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    Nice Pics man, shame that horses ass had to ruin that shot.
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    hey! cmon,i do my best! oh wait,you mean the actual horses ass! yeah,multi user area...annoying but worth the slog to get up there...

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    krispy kreme sunday...

    a mix of singletrack,power line roads and arroyo bottoms...bucksaw ate it all up..

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    One year in and this is still my favorite bike to ride, climbs like a billy goat!
    Installed a new Sram PC-X1 chain tonight, hopefully it'll help with the backpedal/chaindrop issue.
    Can't wait to see what kind of changes (if any) they've made for 2018.
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    i plan on getting out for a ride this weekend on the bucksaw,i expect it will be crazy fun in spite of being a ride i have done a half dozen times...i noticed that about my straggler too,made those same old trails seem like new again...on the bucksaw i find myself looking for trail features i can pop off of and catch some air...

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    Well I finally had enough of the stock SRAM guide brakes that came on the bike, I had a set of Shimano SLX sitting around and installed them tonight, Major improvement to me, cant wait to get a good ride on it now.

    I also was not having the best experience with the Jumbo Jims, my buddy who also has them on his fatbike (farley) told me I need to lower the pressure so the side knobs touch the ground when im sitting on the bike, so I also made that adjustment for tomorrow, I was running 11-12 psi now down to 8-9.
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    my sram brakes seized up within the first 5 minutes...they got the kit to fix them and they feel much better but i still havent installed them,,,maybe in the fall when it cools off i will put them back on,for now the trp spykes are doing great...

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    nice morning ride today....short and steep...got on some crazy ass climbs today,almost cleaned one of the climbs i have been working on for a bit,just one 5 foot section i havent ridden cleanly yet...

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    Well I sold off my NS Django, I got the Hightower frame up for sale now and im going all in with the Bucksaw. I really wish it was 2 pounds lighter, I was thinking carbon rims but im afraid it will hurt the ride and make it to stiff.
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    i would think the suspension would ease any stiffness from the wheels enough...its a pretty plush ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Well I sold off my NS Django, I got the Hightower frame up for sale now and im going all in with the Bucksaw. I really wish it was 2 pounds lighter, I was thinking carbon rims but im afraid it will hurt the ride and make it to stiff.
    Stock Carbon Whiskey's are money in my book. The 4.0's soften the ride not to mention the monarch and bluto when tuned right get the job done and the ride is plush.
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    Nice pictures.

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    How much are your full builds weighing in at for the new carbon model? Im thinking about picking up the new carbon bucksaw for a trip to bike off the top of Kilimanjaro so weight is of the essence

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    Proud new owner of a used but not abused BS. Bought it from my LBS for $1650 with a RS Reverb dropper.

    Compared to my Kona Process 153 & 111, this is an interesting
    bike that I think would climb even better with a 46-50t bail out cog. I got this for the snow but had fun on the wooded trails today. 4" front,
    ())??

    I also prefer Shimano brakes, so I'll look
    for some SLX or XTs soon. I slapped
    on a new pair of One Up composite pedals which I like.
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    I've been riding a beargrease fulltime for almost two years now. Bought a set of plus wheels for it and it's been great, but I'm really interested in the bucksaw now. I wanted to use it for XC races with plus and 29er wheels and then fats in the in the winter.

    How does a bucksaw ride with 29s on it fewg8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    I've been riding a beargrease fulltime for almost two years now. Bought a set of plus wheels for it and it's been great, but I'm really interested in the bucksaw now. I wanted to use it for XC races with plus and 29er wheels and then fats in the in the winter.

    How does a bucksaw ride with 29s on it fewg8?
    I wish I could give you good info but I have had few chances to ride as we just adopted a newborn. On top of that I haven't owned a FS in 10 yrs . I thought this would be my ideal bike and I was right. Short travel, easy to climb, and comfy tire clearance for my old achy bones. Running a Innova transformer up front which I am a big fan of for all around performance. FBN on back for now which is doing fine but will probably go with a teravail Cumberland for some side lugs as soon as they are available. All in all a great bike. Still need to rebuild the guide brakes though.....grrr
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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    I've been riding a beargrease fulltime for almost two years now. Bought a set of plus wheels for it and it's been great, but I'm really interested in the bucksaw now. I wanted to use it for XC races with plus and 29er wheels and then fats in the in the winter.

    How does a bucksaw ride with 29s on it fewg8?
    I would imagine on a 29's you we be better served changing the fork out to a pike 120. The Bluto serves its purpose for the fat tire fs bike it's meant to be. However as a race bike You need to lighten it up which switching wheels will help a lot. The Bluto is not built to race on 29's and is heavier than a pike. The performance that you would be looking for in a fork for racing will not be there with a Bluto. Switching wheels and fork would save a good 5-7 lbs (others correct me if I'm wrong here). Which is a noticeable difference on any bike. Going from my Bucksaw to my Camber I notice the weight difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VladConnery View Post
    I would imagine on a 29's you we be better served changing the fork out to a pike 120. The Bluto serves its purpose for the fat tire fs bike it's meant to be. However as a race bike You need to lighten it up which switching wheels will help a lot. The Bluto is not built to race on 29's and is heavier than a pike. The performance that you would be looking for in a fork for racing will not be there with a Bluto. Switching wheels and fork would save a good 5-7 lbs (others correct me if I'm wrong here). Which is a noticeable difference on any bike. Going from my Bucksaw to my Camber I notice the weight difference.
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    It is done. Man this bike is great. I will be swapping over the 27.5+ wheelset next week to see how it does. Check on the Bluto for race days. When funds allow i may get a light and cheap Reba RL if I get a 29er set. The Bluto RL on my BG has performed well, but definitely found its limits on a long haul 50mi race I did a few weekz back.

    With that said, thr RCT3 behaves much better than my other RL. We'll see. Plus may be just enough especially if I pull the dropper, it should be reasonably light. New pics when plus wheels go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladConnery View Post
    I would imagine on a 29's you we be better served changing the fork out to a pike 120. The Bluto serves its purpose for the fat tire fs bike it's meant to be. However as a race bike You need to lighten it up which switching wheels will help a lot. The Bluto is not built to race on 29's and is heavier than a pike. The performance that you would be looking for in a fork for racing will not be there with a Bluto. Switching wheels and fork would save a good 5-7 lbs (others correct me if I'm wrong here). Which is a noticeable difference on any bike. Going from my Bucksaw to my Camber I notice the weight difference.
    No noticeable weight difference between the two forks

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    Took the Bucksaw to a proper technical trail and put it to work with plus tires. Still tuning the RCT3 Bluto. Its a little stiff. The Split pivot is pretty dang smooth though.

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    Just for reference on BB height with the 27.5+ wheelset.

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    Looking for suggestions on tube and tool storage. I want a mini frame bag in the upper part in front of the shock so that I can keep a water bottle too. Anyone use a strap and where do you put it. Also looking at the gas can option as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post

    Looking for suggestions on tube and tool storage. I want a mini frame bag in the upper part in front of the shock so that I can keep a water bottle too. Anyone use a strap and where do you put it. Also looking at the gas can option as well.
    I use a Backcountry Research Gristle Strap to hold my tube and pump under the seat. Well worth the price and short wait to get one in my opinion. Gristle Strap - Fat Tube Saddle Mount

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    Quote Originally Posted by sluglike View Post
    I use a Backcountry Research Gristle Strap to hold my tube and pump under the seat. Well worth the price and short wait to get one in my opinion. Gristle Strap - Fat Tube Saddle Mount
    Pretty cool little strap. Current kit wouldnt work with that though.
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    I fit that in this and would like to place it there. This is my saddle bag and needs a strap on the bottom. I may have to get my hands on a sewing machine.

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    I like the Vital Frame bag from Spec, it might be too small for a tube but is great for easy access to tools, snacks, etc. Has a good fit and stays put.
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    I picked up a 2016 X01 during the spring sale and currently run it 29 front and back, KOM i28's w/ DT BigRide hubs (built by MikeSee), CCDB Inline, Bluto, 2.5 DHF in front, WTB 2.4 TrailBoss in back. It's a very fun ride but I'm still working to dial it in. The bluto is especially finicky so I've picked up a 120mm air shaft to add when I rebuild. I'm thinking about buying a shockwiz to shorten the learning curve and educate myself. Tokens, spacers and rebound...oh my! I had a SC Nomad (bought used for a song) with a Pike on it. That was a sweet fork! Totally different bike but for my trails, the BS is a better fit. Anyhow, I love the BSaw at 29x2.5 and I love it at 26x4.0. I've read that it can take studded D5's and I might just try that this year. If it does, the Fatboy is up for sale. I've been out demo'ing bikes again and we have a one out, one in policy at my house.

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    I have shockwiz. I will say that it's not necessary $$$ however wow can you learn a lot. Makes tuning a breeze and will really up you understanding of how shocks work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeRad View Post
    I picked up a 2016 X01 during the spring sale and currently run it 29 front and back, KOM i28's w/ DT BigRide hubs (built by MikeSee), CCDB Inline, Bluto, 2.5 DHF in front, WTB 2.4 TrailBoss in back. It's a very fun ride but I'm still working to dial it in. The bluto is especially finicky so I've picked up a 120mm air shaft to add when I rebuild. I'm thinking about buying a shockwiz to shorten the learning curve and educate myself. Tokens, spacers and rebound...oh my! I had a SC Nomad (bought used for a song) with a Pike on it. That was a sweet fork! Totally different bike but for my trails, the BS is a better fit. Anyhow, I love the BSaw at 29x2.5 and I love it at 26x4.0. I've read that it can take studded D5's and I might just try that this year. If it does, the Fatboy is up for sale. I've been out demo'ing bikes again and we have a one out, one in policy at my house.
    I originally bought the bucksaw with full intention of offloading my beargrease, but for some reason I cant. Ive heard that fs fat bikes arent desirable in deeper snow, but I imagine locking out the rear will give me the traction I need.

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    im still thinking i will get a 27.5+ wheelset at some point...and a bashguard...i do get a lot of pedal strikes since this state is basically a sandbox with rocks sticking out everywhere...and spiny plants...
    but i notice its easier to deal with on the bucksaw...who knew suspension helped keep the tires on the ground? lol

    fun bike...confidence inspiring...but theres still plenty of terrain my ICT deals with much better with 4.8 tires...i found myself struggling for purchase on a few sandy climbs today,but the rougarous are fairly small for a 3.8...

    im wondering if maybe going to a 50mm 26 inch rim might just make the tires a bit taller and give me an extra 5mm of pedal clearance or if 27.5+ would be better...

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    I rode the other night with a buddy who just built up a Bucksaw. Currently running 3.8s on it. We were bombing down a trail we both are both familiar with and letting it rip, and he was right on my tail. I swear, I though I was about to be sucked into an International Harvester combine with the way that beast sounded, right on my heels...
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    fat bikes are rarely subtle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    im wondering if maybe going to a 50mm 26 inch rim might just make the tires a bit taller and give me an extra 5mm of pedal clearance or if 27.5+ would be better...
    methinks you'll get more height out of 3.8x27.5 on 50-65mm. so say the pics above. about 3-5mm taller no?.

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    those are rocket rons it looks like in the 27.5 pic which i think is a 2.8...so i would guess a ranger 3.0 on a 50mm rim would do it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    those are rocket rons it looks like in the 27.5 pic which i think is a 2.8...so i would guess a ranger 3.0 on a 50mm rim would do it...
    Those rocket rons are 3.0, but almost 3/4 inch shorter than the bridger 3.0

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    how do you like 27.5+ compared to 26x4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    how do you like 27.5+ compared to 26x4?
    Easier spinning and a perfect compliment to the bike but still plush'ish. I only got 3 proper fat rides before I switched. I really wanted a 100mm plus bike but also wanted fat for shoulder season and low country snow rides. I keep waffling on keeping / getting rid of the Beargrease which was the point originally. An everything bike.

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    we dont have seasons here in the sense,its either hot or not hot out...sand is sand whether its 100 out or 60...for how i use the bucksaw a lighter wheelset would certainly be nice...since i have a 26x4.8 and a 29+ wheelset for my ice cream truck its a better choice for long distance or more off trail back country stuff in many ways...but the squish is sure nice...but to that end i think i will get a mastodon for the ICT since it will work on the bucksaw as well...

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    got out for a little adventure ride today...50 miles door to door...great bike for it,i was lovin the squish today...2 beargrease,a bucksaw,and a pugsly so an all qbp ride at least...

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    another sunday ride...new fabric saddle..

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    new seatpost and collar

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    Has anyone added a Manitou Mastodon on there bucksaw yet? would it be safe to run it 120mm? I know the stock Bluto is set at 100mm
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    yes,i would like to know about the mastodon too...i would be more likely to stick to 100mm however as it seems to be plenty of travel for the level of shenanigans im likely to get into....a foot off the ground is enough air for me!

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    I'll add my recently completely Buchsaw into the mix. I bought the frame earlier this year and have been piecing it together. I opted for a 27.5 110 boost fork (Manitou Magnum) over the fat bike fork. Since the frame is limited to a 3.8-4.0 rear tire I thought I'd see if the 27.5 fork would work with the same tire. It clears the Nate 3.8, and I'll try the Van Helga next. Below is a photo with Vee Rubber H-Billie 4.25 tires. Wheels DT350 hubs, DT spokes and Surly Rabbit Hole 50mm rims. I'm using the rims with WTB 26" x 2.8/3.0 as well as the 3.8 Nates.New Bucksaw Thread-bucksaw-fat-sm.jpg

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    been getting out on the bucksaw again...lots of road miles lately so good to go get my squish on...still really happy with this bike aside from the whole pedal strike thing...to that end i have some crank boots and an absolute black bash guard coming,and i may try a 170mm crank instead...

    hopefully next month i will be ordering some custom laced industry9 27.5+ wheels

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    new bash guard from absolute black...ordered on monday,already here from poland...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Has anyone added a Manitou Mastodon on there bucksaw yet? would it be safe to run it 120mm? I know the stock Bluto is set at 100mm
    Just put a Mastodon 120 Pro on my Bucksaw. You have no idea how bad the Bluto is until you try this fork....the Mastodon is way stiffer and the damping is much better. I strongly recommend this fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSTCLIME View Post
    Just put a Mastodon 120 Pro on my Bucksaw. You have no idea how bad the Bluto is until you try this fork....the Mastodon is way stiffer and the damping is much better. I strongly recommend this fork.
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    just pulled the trigger on a set of custom laced industry9 wheels for the bucksaw...

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    and a set of 180mm hope floating rotors in blue,and a wtb trail boss 27.5 x 3 and a ranger 27.5 x 3...

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    Nice looking wheels Hamsterspam!
    Look forward to hearing your ride report once you have some time on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Has anyone had any problems setting the Marge lites tubeless? I bought some Orange seal tape and valve stems and also just ordered some Jumbo Jim tires, Are they the same as any other wheel? or is there some special technique I need to know? My bike arrives Thursday and im getting really excited, I also ordered some Raceface chester pedals in turquoise.
    Just wondering how your tubeless setup went? Did the Orange Seal tape work well or did you end up using Gorilla tape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat-in-Fundy View Post
    Just wondering how your tubeless setup went? Did the Orange Seal tape work well or did you end up using Gorilla tape?
    Its been 4 months and the orange seal is holding up great! I watched a video on how to set up fatbike tires and it was very helpful...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    just pulled the trigger on a set of custom laced industry9 wheels for the bucksaw...

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    and a set of 180mm hope floating rotors in blue,and a wtb trail boss 27.5 x 3 and a ranger 27.5 x 3...
    How did you get plus rims with fatbike spacing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    How did you get plus rims with fatbike spacing?
    ive only ordered them so far,weekend and all that...but they had the option for the proper hub spacing so presumably they can make them...i will find out monday...there wasnt any problem when i had 29+ wheels built for my ice cream truck with 190mm rear end so i can imagine there will be any issues...and since they make their own rims i imagine they can drill them out however is needed...i hope anyway...been wanting a full custom wheelset from i9 for a while...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    How did you get plus rims with fatbike spacing?
    Chain Reaction Cycles also has custom wheel building which matches up the Hope Fatsno hubs with plus size rims such as Easton Arc 40's or Hugos. Unfortunately they don't have much available in stock right now as they had suspended the service for a while and just brought it back online.

    Not the same as I9 though, those are awesome looking wheels!
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    gonna look pretty sharp on the bucksaw...and having dabbled in high engagement hubs so far the i9 has been my favorite...the chris kings are sure nice but the extra 200 bucks for tools is a bit off-putting...hopes have been real workhorses but its tough to beat 3 degree engagement without going to onyx which i havent tried...but i like loud hubs...and i cannot lie!

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    I have always hated the look of the FD mount on the Bucksaw and wondered what to do with it. Then I stumbled upon the mrp Decapitator bottle opener, finally a good use for it!

    Added a OneUp Bash Guide as well. Merry Christmas to me
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    i gave my bash guard an inadvertent test yesterday when i got distracted and ran off the road at 15mph right into a fairly deep erosion ditch...gotta give the credit for getting out unscathed to the bucksaw...i just let go of the brakes and hung on for dear life and somehow got out...aside from that a nice wander through the desert..

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    Bucksaw is back to fat mode for winter with VanHelgas and Chester flats.
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    What are the best winter tires for a Bucksaw on Marge Lites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSTCLIME View Post
    What are the best winter tires for a Bucksaw on Marge Lites?
    Vanhelgas or Nates work well on Marge Lites, all depends on your local conditions though.
    Currently running the Wrathchild's this Winter because I wanted studs, working great but getting occasional chain rub on the 42.

    Went with D5s last Winter, great on icy hardpack trails but are not as good in soft snow, they tend to wash out.
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    Finally found the frame bag/kit I was looking for. Blackburn Outpost Bag.

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    im gonna get a local guy to make a frame bag for me,he made one for his deadwood thats really nice...

    my custom laced industry9 wheels got in today...not bad,only 2 1/2 weeks during the holidays for a custom set of wheels..

    backcountry 450's,27.5 inch,WTB ranger rear,trail boss front,both 27.5 x 3...
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    Nice set of hoops! I recently had a 29er set made. I rode bplus for about 800 miles and am looking for something different now.

    The salsa framebag for the bucksaw looks pretty nice. Did you consider that at all.

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    as far as i have been able to determine the salsa/revelate bag isnt available anymore...

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    Sure enough. Its kisted on the website but you're right, dont think its for sale anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Sure enough. Its kisted on the website but you're right, dont think its for sale anymore.
    I had a hard time finding one last year but was lucky enough to get it from Jenson USA, too bad they dropped it as it's a great bag.
    If I remember correctly Rogue Panda has a pattern for the Bucksaw if you wanted to have one made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat-in-Fundy View Post
    I had a hard time finding one last year but was lucky enough to get it from Jenson USA, too bad they dropped it as it's a great bag.
    If I remember correctly Rogue Panda has a pattern for the Bucksaw if you wanted to have one made.
    i think you're right,and i would guess with custom i would have some color choice so it could be more matchy matchy...

    the bucksaw got a little salsa brother today...
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    Looks like a great day on the new wheels, nice pics!
    How do you like the ride with 27.5+ so far?
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    the new wheels are awesome,they shed more than a pound off each wheel so it feels way more spritely,and not a single pedal strike today,which is something i normally couldnt say on these trails...but the tires definitely struggled in the sandy bits...that extra .8 inches of tire helped in that regard...but on anything that was reasonably packed it was great!

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    Thanks, glad to hear they ride as good as they look, and less pedal strikes as a bonus!
    Great to have two sets of wheels for different conditions, especially if one set is I9
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    I9 does make a nice hub...especially if you like the whine of angry hornets following you around! but worth every penny,been wanting a custom laced wheelset from them for a while,the spokes are super beefy so the wheels are nice and stiff,the tubeless setup was a breeze

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    one good turn deserves another. Not even sure what that means so here is a picture of more bucksaw wheels

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    Have a few races coming up in the next few months so I figured Id give regular 29x2.4 a try. Started too high of pressure and felt like I was riding a road bike on the trail. Iíve been riding plus and fat only for over a year, so Im also spoiled in the comfort dept. But man, theyíre fast rilling.

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    I have to say though, lookin at a 2.4 now, that thing is tiny. The Ardent actually measured out to 2.35 and the Ikon came out to 2.25. I'm hoping they stretch... I may be tempted to put the Ardent out back and put a true 2.6 on the front, If I can find one that is more XC oriented (Rekon 2.6?). But ultimately, speed and efficiency is what I'm after.
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    I have a 29 x 2.4 Vittoria Goma up front and a 2.3 Morsa in the back on my Process 111. Vittoria makes some nice tires that I think are true to size like Schwalbe, unlike Maxxis imho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staktup View Post
    pOrk,

    I have a 29 x 2.4 Vittoria Goma up front and a 2.3 Morsa in the back on my Process 111. Vittoria makes some nice tires that I think are true to size like Schwalbe, unlike Maxxis imho...
    Maybe on the next go around. These are fast and grippy, so I'm going to run 'em into the ground.

    Any Bucksaw owners out there running a Manitou Mastodon? The Pro 100mm looks like it might be worth its weight, literally. Internet says ~2200 grams over the Bluto at 1796g. 1 pound is nothing for what people say is one of the best performing forks out there, fat or not. I have two blutos (an RL and an RCT3), The RL has honestly performed better than the RCT3 in the smoothness department, but the RCT3 has been better with big hits. I'm fiddling with tokens in the RCT3 and it is due a service, but if I cant find that happy smoothness all around, I may opt for the MM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Any Bucksaw owners out there running a Manitou Mastodon?
    I'm interested in this too. I'm all over the place when adjusting the Bluto. I think I'll try 3 tokens and super low pressure this spring (60 lbs?). Currently at 2 tokens and 90 lbs for 185 lbs with gear on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeRad View Post
    I'm interested in this too. I'm all over the place when adjusting the Bluto. I think I'll try 3 tokens and super low pressure this spring (60 lbs?). Currently at 2 tokens and 90 lbs for 185 lbs with gear on.
    Yeah I'm about 180-190 with gear on as well. I just put it up to 4 tokens. I then dropped to around 80psi and while it felt good around the house, the sag was too much like almost 40percent. Then you end up in that dead zone...

    Thinking a SID RLC for summer and MM for winter fall. Sell my two blutos and just pretend the extra thousand dollars didnt really happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Yeah I'm about 180-190 with gear on as well. I just put it up to 4 tokens. I then dropped to around 80psi and while it felt good around the house, the sag was too much like almost 40percent. Then you end up in that dead zone...

    Thinking a SID RLC for summer and MM for winter fall. Sell my two blutos and just pretend the extra thousand dollars didnt really happen.
    Are you running 100 mm? I bought a 120 airshaft and some new grease for a winter rebuild. I think I'll try that.

    What is most frustrating about the Bluto is that I can dial it for one set of conditions but then it's terrible for another. One good thing about it is that you need to adjust it so frequently that you learn about suspension very fast. I ran a Pike on an older bike and I could set that thing just about anywhere within reason, always felt great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeRad View Post
    Are you running 100 mm? I bought a 120 airshaft and some new grease for a winter rebuild. I think I'll try that.

    What is most frustrating about the Bluto is that I can dial it for one set of conditions but then it's terrible for another. One good thing about it is that you need to adjust it so frequently that you learn about suspension very fast. I ran a Pike on an older bike and I could set that thing just about anywhere within reason, always felt great.
    Yeah I'm running 100mm. Trying to keep the recommended A-C of 511, but seems to be a lot of folks running 120 without issue. I think the 4" tires have been hiding the inadequacies of the Bluto. I really started noticing when I went out on those 29s, which goes to what you are saying about one set of conditions vs another. Felt really bad. But I was also running like 27psi in those tires which is way too high.

    I had a 90mm Reba RL on my old 2013 Stumpjumper Comp that was super smooth and felt bottomless. Arent they essentially the same fork? This is what keeps me fiddling away, because I've ridden a basic RS fork before with great success.

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    the bluto is meant to be a fat bike fork,and thus tuned to deal with a beefier tire/wheel combo...they do fine in fat mode but i noticed it was not as plush feeling with 29+ on my ice cream truck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Yeah I'm running 100mm. Trying to keep the recommended A-C of 511, but seems to be a lot of folks running 120 without issue. I think the 4" tires have been hiding the inadequacies of the Bluto. I really started noticing when I went out on those 29s, which goes to what you are saying about one set of conditions vs another. Felt really bad. But I was also running like 27psi in those tires which is way too high.

    I had a 90mm Reba RL on my old 2013 Stumpjumper Comp that was super smooth and felt bottomless. Arent they essentially the same fork? This is what keeps me fiddling away, because I've ridden a basic RS fork before with great success.
    I'm also running 29's with a Maxxis DHF front and a WTB Trailboss rear in 2.4 and 2.3. I really enjoy the setup even with the Bluto's deficiencies. I picked up a Hans Dampf that I'll use in place of the Trail Boss. I'm not sure if I run the HD front and place the DHF on the rear or if I should keep the beefy DHF up front. I'll probably keep the fat knobs in the front because I'm lazy and installing 1 tire is easier than installing 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    the bluto is meant to be a fat bike fork,and thus tuned to deal with a beefier tire/wheel combo...they do fine in fat mode but i noticed it was not as plush feeling with 29+ on my ice cream truck...
    I'm always trying to make things what they're not. You ever have vegetarian BBQ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    the bluto is meant to be a fat bike fork,and thus tuned to deal with a beefier tire/wheel combo...they do fine in fat mode but i noticed it was not as plush feeling with 29+ on my ice cream truck...
    I ran my Bluto RL with b+ for a couple hundred miles and two 50mi races on my Beargrease. It performed admirably. I found the limits on some extended downhills where it just couldn't keep up. But overall it was a success.

    I think I just need to service the RCT3, its been 450 miles. And about a 100 miles in I did an enduro type event with the b+ bucksaw and there were plenty of big hits and sustained rough trail on the timed downs. It was amazing, and even PR'd a few downhill sections that were previously held by my old Trek Fuel EX8 29er. The more I think about it, the more I realize its probably just a service issue and I'm lazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeRad View Post
    I'm also running 29's with a Maxxis DHF front and a WTB Trailboss rear in 2.4 and 2.3. I really enjoy the setup even with the Bluto's deficiencies. I picked up a Hans Dampf that I'll use in place of the Trail Boss. I'm not sure if I run the HD front and place the DHF on the rear or if I should keep the beefy DHF up front. I'll probably keep the fat knobs in the front because I'm lazy and installing 1 tire is easier than installing 2.
    Yeah I just read that you were running 29ers in the last page. How is that CCDB? Post some pics of this beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Yeah I just read that you were running 29ers in the last page. How is that CCDB? Post some pics of this beast.
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    I like the CCDB. I know some have had quality issues with them but for $200 I took the chance and have been rewarded. There is lots of adjustability there so I'm still playing with it. I needed to add an air spacer to keep it from bottoming out.
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    im pretty bad about getting the suspension really dialed in....after riding nothing but rigid bikes it still feels like a magic carpet to me...and in general im more concerned with how the bike climbs than being able to bomb downhill....

    i need to get everything more dialed for the b+ setup though,should be able to get out over the next couple days and experiment a bit...i just got a new fargo though so its been tough to properly play with my new wheels...

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    I like the CCDB. I know some have had quality issues with them but for $200 I took the chance and have been rewarded. There is lots of adjustability there so I'm still playing with it. I needed to add an air spacer to keep it from bottoming out.
    Looks good. I think CCDB and the Debonair are the only upgrade options over the RT3. So I was curious what your impressions were.

    I'm going to go with Orange Grips to match my chester pedals. I like the red though.

    Another thought on the Bluto. One could try the charger 2 damper that comes in the new SIDs. Supposedly light years better. Its 250 vs 600-700 for a Mastodon Pro. Definitely an option. considering the sunk costs in the Bluto already. I never found the 32mm stanchions flex a limiting factor for me or really even a concern. Others say different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    im pretty bad about getting the suspension really dialed in....after riding nothing but rigid bikes it still feels like a magic carpet to me...and in general im more concerned with how the bike climbs than being able to bomb downhill....

    i need to get everything more dialed for the b+ setup though,should be able to get out over the next couple days and experiment a bit...i just got a new fargo though so its been tough to properly play with my new wheels...
    Yeah I'm pretty much the opposite and have been nothing but spoiled with fat tires and suspension. a 100mm 29" bike is going to ride rougher than a 4" bike fo sho.

    I like that fargo. Big fan of purple bikes. I've kind of been a salsa fanboy for the a little bit and really like the idea of the cutthroat.

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    The Buckfish was riding great today. Went 4 tokens in the Bluto and about 85 psi at about 30% sag. Took the Ardent down to 21psi and the Ikon to 23psi. Perfect now.

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    lol, thats funny,i was calling mine the buck rustler or pony saw...

    doing the same thing today,getting tire and shock pressure dialed in...

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    When I was running plus, I didn't even think of it. I like BuckRustler.

    On a more technical note I have a few questions for the group: With the current X01 crankset on this Bucksaw, can I just swap on a direct 28t front ring? Does it need to be offset (3, 6?)? And can I get it it on without removing the crank arm?

    Another question: Is there any clockwise/counter-clockwise oddness about removing the rear shock or is it just normal hold and CCW to loosen? I noticed in the diagram that the upper rear shock bolt was on the non-driveside, so figured I'd ask. SRAM says 1000hours or annual for the RT3. Seems a bit long.

    Thanks.

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    you're gonna need to remove the crank,the sram direct mount has 3 t25 torx bolts holding the chainring on...i dont think an offset is required,that seems to be a boost thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    When I was running plus, I didn't even think of it. I like BuckRustler.

    On a more technical note I have a few questions for the group: With the current X01 crankset on this Bucksaw, can I just swap on a direct 28t front ring? Does it need to be offset (3, 6?)?

    Thanks.
    Itís a GXP crank and needs 6mm offset according to Wolftooth. Thereís a lot of information here: https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...or-sram-cranks

    I have one of the stainless direct mount chainrings. It seems to be holding up nicely.

    You have to pull the crank, but itís easy to do. YouTube will show you the way.

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    Welp. Hate to admit a bonehead move, but damn Ive been running in pedal mode for the past 200 miles. Ha! And adjusted the sag there as well running 145psi vs the 160 to make up for the pedal resistance, unknowingly. I always run wide open and somehow it ended up in pedal. And then i must have adjusted the sag again and let some air out to make it work. Dumb...

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    New Bucksaw Thread-872f3a82-c0c1-460b-90db-081e4fcb793b.jpg

    Got some light snow in the foothills today.

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    yup,we got some fresh gnar on the trails today here! 64 and sunny!

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    another fine "winter" day...

    really digging the new wheels...i've noticed the number of pedal strikes is way down with these wheels...

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    Anyone run 27.5x4's on the bucksaw yet? Or at least test fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    Anyone run 27.5x4's on the bucksaw yet? Or at least test fit?

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    Nvm test fitting says "YES you can!" but these are 3.8's

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    let us know how it works in the real world,looks good though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    let us know how it works in the real world,looks good though...
    Here's a few more clearance pics, I can't take this out for a real world ride as it belongs to someone else, but I more so wanted to see if it cleared and how much room there would be, tempted to buy a bucksaw, but can't justify it lol

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    Has anyone tried 29+ or will it definitely not fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Has anyone tried 29+ or will it definitely not fit?
    I have, I tried a set of Velocity Duallys with maxxis Chronicle's, they did fit, but the clearance was so tight that it made me nervous. I know that depending on the tire, it might work, wish I had pics of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    I have, I tried a set of Velocity Duallys with maxxis Chronicle's, they did fit, but the clearance was so tight that it made me nervous. I know that depending on the tire, it might work, wish I had pics of it

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    Thanks for the reply, I think I will pass on it. Im now on the fence on building a Ti Salsa Timberjack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Thanks for the reply, I think I will pass on it. Im now on the fence on building a Ti Salsa Timberjack.
    Like this one?

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    or this one?

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    new tires for the bucksaw...duro crux and miner in 27.5 x 3.25...beefy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    new tires for the bucksaw...duro crux and miner in 27.5 x 3.25...beefy!

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    That looks sweet. How's the ride?

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    dunno yet,just got them on but plan on getting it dirty tomorrow...have the perfect spot for loose trail condition testing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    dunno yet,just got them on but plan on getting it dirty tomorrow...have the perfect spot for loose trail condition testing...
    Sweeeeeeet I'll stay tuned for an update

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    pretty impressed with the duro tires...never lost traction on the climbs either seated or standing,front end seemed well planted,when it did drift in the loosest bits of trail it hooked back up almost immediately...and they did a good job of shrugging off the cactus spines...definitely grippier than the wtb's which did fine on hardpack and bare rock but really lost it in the loose stuff which is about 50% of the riding around here...

    ran them both around 12psi....seemed to compliment the suspension well,and that extra little bit of width gave them better float than the 3 inch...pretty close to the 3.8's really....and zero pedal strikes today...the trails i went to are seriously chunky,its rare to not have at least a few pedal strikes there,the bucksaw with the stock wheels and 3.8's i was hitting the pedals so often i got a bash guard since i was convinced the chainring was gonna get munch sooner or later...seems redundant now...

    too bad these tires are so hard to find...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    pretty impressed with the duro tires...never lost traction on the climbs either seated or standing,front end seemed well planted,when it did drift in the loosest bits of trail it hooked back up almost immediately...and they did a good job of shrugging off the cactus spines...definitely grippier than the wtb's which did fine on hardpack and bare rock but really lost it in the loose stuff which is about 50% of the riding around here...

    ran them both around 12psi....seemed to compliment the suspension well,and that extra little bit of width gave them better float than the 3 inch...pretty close to the 3.8's really....and zero pedal strikes today...the trails i went to are seriously chunky,its rare to not have at least a few pedal strikes there,the bucksaw with the stock wheels and 3.8's i was hitting the pedals so often i got a bash guard since i was convinced the chainring was gonna get munch sooner or later...seems redundant now...

    too bad these tires are so hard to find...

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    Dang, sounds like a fun time on those things. Glad to see something new, at least to me, will stay tuned for a longer term review, but they sound promising, if I find a set floating around, I'll probably give them a go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    Dang, sounds like a fun time on those things. Glad to see something new, at least to me, will stay tuned for a longer term review, but they sound promising, if I find a set floating around, I'll probably give them a go

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    Im really curious about the rolling characteristics. Im looking for 27.5 3.25-3.5 for my duroc 40mm. But think the cryx might be too meaty. Like a 3.25 rocket ron instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Im really curious about the rolling characteristics. Im looking for 27.5 3.25-3.5 for my duroc 40mm. But think the cryx might be too meaty. Like a 3.25 rocket ron instead.
    that is the crux of the matter isnt it? for sure they are much slower on hard pack surfaces,but i think the trade off for my local conditions is that they did much better in the loose and blown out stuff so like any tire there's some trade off involved...

    i did put in a pretty good time on the loop i rode and considering the number of times i had to slow down or stop to let hikers go by or pass them and i wasnt really trying to go fast at all i was surprised to see that...

    so for around here it seems like a good set of tires,i think the miner is a "faster" tire than the crux,but that crux really bit into the chunk...

    more rides planned for this week including the smoother trails locally,the spot i rode yesterday is where i go to get a feel for tires as its one of the roughest set of trails nearby...lots of sections of nothing but loose rock and deep sand...

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    glad you're enjoying the tires hamster!!

    they have the most supple plush riding casing I have ever seen in my life.

    the saw looks great!

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    im heading out today for another bucksaw sesh on the trails,should be another good tire test...but so far im loving them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    im heading out today for another bucksaw sesh on the trails,should be another good tire test...but so far im loving them!
    Text me after work and I'll join you on my ICT.

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    gonna be back long before then...leaving the house in a few...possibly this weekend though...

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    nice first day of spring here...cool and not a cloud in the sky...an excellent day for a bike ride!

    one complaint about the duro tires...the road commute back and forth to the trails is really just no fun at all...once on the dirt all that goes away however...monster traction...even when they do cut loose they hook back up immediately...

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    Hello everybody. Quick question for you guys. I have a 2016 Bucksaw GX, and I am thinking I want new cranks for 2 reasons.

    1. I want lower gearing, the 30 tooth is marginal, but I spend a lot of time in the easiest couple of gears. I want to put a 26 oval on it, that will give me one more gear, and help the chainline. Where I live, I am usually on the breaks downhill, the 10 tooth almost never gets used.

    2. Pedal strikes. I would go for 170mm arms to get a little more clearance.

    Question: Will a Race Face Aeffect crank just slide into the existing bottom bracket, or do I need a new one? I am unsure about the new pressfit standards and axle sizes and what not.

    Bonus question: Will a Mastadon Pro or Comp fit fine in regards to the adjusters smashing the down tube when I crash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurenlex View Post
    Hello everybody. Quick question for you guys. I have a 2016 Bucksaw GX, and I am thinking I want new cranks for 2 reasons.

    1. I want lower gearing, the 30 tooth is marginal, but I spend a lot of time in the easiest couple of gears. I want to put a 26 oval on it, that will give me one more gear, and help the chainline. Where I live, I am usually on the breaks downhill, the 10 tooth almost never gets used.

    2. Pedal strikes. I would go for 170mm arms to get a little more clearance.

    Question: Will a Race Face Aeffect crank just slide into the existing bottom bracket, or do I need a new one? I am unsure about the new pressfit standards and axle sizes and what not.

    Bonus question: Will a Mastadon Pro or Comp fit fine in regards to the adjusters smashing the down tube when I crash?
    The SRAM GXP uses a 24mm - 22mm stepdown spindle so I don't believe that the RF Aeffect will just slide in without changing the BB.
    I swapped out the stock GX 1000 crank for the GX-1400 Fat crank with 170mm arms, it allows direct mount rings (6mm offset). Currently running the 28t but I have tried the 26t as well, big help on the climbs.
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    Thanks for the reply!

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    I love this bike in bPlus. Spring is here... until it snows tonight.

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    i dont think i'll be putting the 26 x 3.8's back on mine anytime soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    i dont think i'll be putting the 26 x 3.8's back on mine anytime soon
    Yeah I had about ~175mi this year on 4.0, about half snow. and it was fun too, but i love being able to switch and get a whole new riding experience.

    I think the next big purchase for me will be a fox 32 SC 100mm for the front. The blutoís inadequacies are hidden by fat and hinted at a little with plus, but on my 29er set... not so good. The split pivot is great though. Smooth, quiet, and capable.

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    we dont get snow here,and the places where a fat tire really come in handy 3.8 isnt quite enough...

    for sure the bluto counts on the fat tire squidge to a large degree,im in no real rush to replace mine,the duro tires help to hide its faults well enough for me,and really im more concerned with going up than blasting downhill so the split pivot really ticks the boxes for how i ride...

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    I recently installed a 100mm Manitou Magnum Pro on the Bucksaw. I'm using Surly Rabbit Hole 50mm rims and switch between 4.0 JJ's and 3.0 front/2.8 rear WTB's. I've got a RST Renegade fat bike fork and 80mm rims with VanHelga's in case it ever snowed here, which it didn't.

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    Just jumped in with both feet today. It's been years since I've been on the trail but this is where my kids want to ride, so this is where I will have the most time in the saddle.

    I have been humming and hawing for weeks and feel like I've looked at just about every bike within my price range but one shop had a 2016 X0 on clearance and it just kept calling to me.

    Tried my hardest to put it off but for what I could afford and what I could get it just made more sense.

    I got it all setup tubeless but have heard that these stock tires aren't the fasted rolling set but may just deal with that for awhile.

    The first real ride will be Friday. Pretty excited at this point.

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    Looking to go with 27.5+ for the summer to keep up on group rides. Any suggestions on tires and cheap prebuilt wheel sets for my Bucksaw?

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    industry9 level 3 custom are pretty sweet...oh wait,you said cheap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterspam View Post
    industry9 level 3 custom are pretty sweet...oh wait,you said cheap!
    I have bought cars that cost less than those.....

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    probably not going to find too many pre-built wheelsets considering the hub size...i think hopes are about the cheapest you're going to find in fat bike size,so i think around a grand with tires is about as cheap as its going to get barring finding a set of oem hubs someone is selling cheap...

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    So a bike shop near me is closing down, they have a 2017 Trek Farley 9.8
    For 40% off. I was tempted to pull the trigger but figured how much better could it be if any than my Bucksaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumba View Post
    I recently installed a 100mm Manitou Magnum Pro on the Bucksaw. I'm using Surly Rabbit Hole 50mm rims and switch between 4.0 JJ's and 3.0 front/2.8 rear WTB's. I've got a RST Renegade fat bike fork and 80mm rims with VanHelga's in case it ever snowed here, which it didn't.
    Manitous look to be a good option for a decent 100mm fork. I feel like the fox32 float performance could be a goos option as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MUSTCLIME View Post
    Looking to go with 27.5+ for the summer to keep up on group rides. Any suggestions on tires and cheap prebuilt wheel sets for my Bucksaw?
    What hampsterspam said, about 1k with tires. My set were 812 with durocs40mm and DTS350s. Tires, another $100. Worth it though.

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    Spent the past few days putting the bucksaw through its paces in Fruita, CO. This was from Horsethiefís Bench at the kokopelli loops.
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    For those of you who have used 27.5 wheels with 3.8 tires, how wide are the rims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    For those of you who have used 27.5 wheels with 3.8 tires, how wide are the rims?
    Whatever rims come on the new Beargrease, Mulefuts I believe they are 80mm,not my bike, but I did this for testing purposes

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    Anyone know what the seatpost torque specs are on the carbon bucksaw? The salsa collar loplock collar is 8nm, also says to refer to cendor frame specs. Cant find those anywhere for the bucksaw.

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    Race prep continues with the buckfish. 45mi/3500ft. Removed the reverb and mounted a cage behind the seat. Can switch bottles without stopping. I think im going to swap the rear ikon for a fast trak as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pOrk View Post
    Race prep continues with the buckfish. 45mi/3500ft. Removed the reverb and mounted a cage behind the seat. Can switch bottles without stopping. I think im going to swap the rear ikon for a fast trak as well.

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    What fork you running on the buckfish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    What fork you running on the buckfish?
    Still rocking the 100mm Bluto RCT3. Just finished an 85mi/6000ft 12 hour race and the bluto took a beating. Fairly technical course for a marathon event. Looking to change to charger 2 damper.

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    What would happen if you put on a 100mm 29er fork? And ran it dedicated 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    What would happen if you put on a 100mm 29er fork? And ran it dedicated 29er?
    Lots of things....all good I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    What would happen if you put on a 100mm 29er fork? And ran it dedicated 29er?
    Well before I drop 700 bucks on a fox32, im going to try a new damper. Ultimately, the bluto with a charger2 damper should ride similar to a SID. Probably wont, but its 200 bucks and worth a try. The bluto is almost perfect for me. Fits fat tires. Reasonably light compared to mastadon. And can be tuned like any other air fork through tokens, mrp ramp, and different dampers. I want to find out for sure though.

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    I have been looking at shorter travel bikes, but if I can save thousands and just buy a fork and build some wheels that might be a better option. I was even thinking of a 120mm fox fork. My goal would be to run it with 29x2.6 tires on 30mm rims and praying it would fit.

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    Get a Mastodon, run your 29er plus wheels in that.

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    The fork fits, I had enough room to steer and the steer tube was more than long enough, now I need to buy a 120mm air shaft, fork is currently 140mm.
    I also need a rear hub. Between DT swiss and hope is there much difference? Are there cheaper options?

    Theres no way that I9 makes an adapter to make a boost rear hub to fit 177 spacing? They do make end caps that make a 170 to 177

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    Introducing the Deadsaw:

    29x2.6 Maxxis Rekon (f)
    29x2.6 Bontrager XR2 Team Issue (r)
    WTB i29 asym

    This combo is the bees knees and has me considering selling my 27.5+ wheelset. Very fast, but pretty good volume.

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    You can get a 29x2.6 in the first edition of the fox 34 plus forks but the new ones are different. I can run 3.8 hodags in the winter and Iím currently running 2.8ís for the summer hereís a few pics Iíve had about two years on it now only difference from these pics is I run arc40ís now instead of derbyís


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    still loving the bucksaw,been riding the ti timberjack quite a bit,took the b-saw out yesterday for a trail sesh...i had almost forgotten how nice suspension is...

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    I was going to ride the BS for a big group ride on the 4th, took it out of the shed and it would not shift right, looks like the chain is worn out.
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    Looking at grabbing a Bucksaw for my son. What's the current (Aug 2018) thoughts? Still worth it for the current model? Wait for a newer release? Look else where? Sorry, this will be his first and probably only new bike build and want to get a fat bike that can also be used with 29". I am looking at the Bucksaw and FS Stache as possible purchases.

    Any thoughts appreciated!

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    Might be a great time to find a smoking deal km a Bucksaw, last I heard, it was being discontinued. Great bike, lots of options and suspension set ups are all there. Depending on the size he rides, it might be tough to get one.
    Quote Originally Posted by roughster View Post
    Looking at grabbing a Bucksaw for my son. What's the current (Aug 2018) thoughts? Still worth it for the current model? Wait for a newer release? Look else where? Sorry, this will be his first and probably only new bike build and want to get a fat bike that can also be used with 29". I am looking at the Bucksaw and FS Stache as possible purchases.

    Any thoughts appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    Might be a great time to find a smoking deal km a Bucksaw, last I heard, it was being discontinued. Great bike, lots of options and suspension set ups are all there. Depending on the size he rides, it might be tough to get one.

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    Wow didn't know it was being discontinued. Is that because of sales? or other issues? Thanks for any info and glad I asked now as I was really leaning towards the Bucksaw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roughster View Post
    Wow didn't know it was being discontinued. Is that because of sales? or other issues? Thanks for any info and glad I asked now as I was really leaning towards the Bucksaw!
    In the 2019 Salsa thread one poster indicates that he has info from a reliable source that it's only the current generation that is being discontinued. Apparently an update is coming, but no ETA. It's slim pickins out there for new Bucksaw frames.

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