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    The Journeyman.

    Just saw the roll-out on the Journeyman. Nice job Salsa. They'll likely sell as many of these as they can keep in stock. The 650b model is exceptionally appealing. I know some folks will be less than excited about the spec on these but I'm fine with it. I say, ride the stuff until it doesn't work then replace it with what you want. I really like the crank they used with 46/30 gearing. I used to run that with a 7 spd 12/28 freewheel on my rando bike and it was perfect. An 11/32 cassette is obviously more appropriate for this bike. And of course, nothing wrong with going even lower, say 36t low gear on cassette.

    For myself I don't know that I'd get one of these due to the aluminum frame and carbon fork. I'm not a fan of either. But it certainly wouldn't be an expensive "experiment" to check one of these out. And reselling it wouldn't be hard.
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    Haha you beat me to starting a thread, here's some pics of the Claris model, 700c and 650B The Journeyman.-20180317_142639_hdr.jpg

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    I love that they also are selling a flat-bar version of the Journeyman. My initial reaction was "WOW", then "I wish it was steel instead of aluminum" and then I realized if it was steel, it wouldn't be much different than the Karate Monkey I already own. I hope I can find a flat-bar version in my size to test ride.

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    Would be a great bike in Ti, frame/fork only, to build up with high end components.

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    It's a great bike for the price and I really like 9 speed stuff. It's tough for the main part and gets the job done without fuss. I would be really interested in the black flat bar model if I wasn't piecing together an equivilent bike from parts.

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    So I've been eyeing the Jamis Renegade and the Salsa Journeyman. Any opinions on thru axles vs the quick disconnect?

    My current bikes all have quick disconnects but the trend seems to be towards thru axles. I wonder why Salsa went quick disconnect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshnfvr View Post
    I wonder why Salsa went quick disconnect?
    I suspect because the Journeyman is a budget friendly bike and thru-axles and thru-axles dropouts are more expensive to manufacture. Plus, bikes get along fine without thru-axles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fshnfvr View Post
    So I've been eyeing the Jamis Renegade and the Salsa Journeyman. Any opinions on thru axles vs the quick disconnect?

    My current bikes all have quick disconnects but the trend seems to be towards thru axles. I wonder why Salsa went quick disconnect?
    Budget honestly, I think someone already mentioned that, but for the bike and what it offers, it has a lot going for itself. I think this bike is one that at its price point, you can't go wrong with it. I also think that it can run 27x2.5 or 29x2.25, maybe I'm crazy. However I might be able to test this later today and snap some pics of my results.

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    Yeah, I'm sure it's to meet the pricepoint. 8 and 9-speed drivetrains, 1 1/8 steerer tubes, QR hubs, threaded BB shells and the like are all good, proven components.

    All of that stuff would make me want to buy this bike, rather than hold out for a bike with thru-axles, as you have such a wide range of options for upgrade and replacement parts.

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    This bike checks all of the boxes I was looking for in a budget friendly anyroad ride. I was seriously considering a flat bar cross check prior to this, even a steamroller, but I think I'll be getting my first salsa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cassa89 View Post
    This bike checks all of the boxes I was looking for in a budget friendly anyroad ride. I was seriously considering a flat bar cross check prior to this, even a steamroller, but I think I'll be getting my first salsa.
    be careful,buying a salsa is a slippery slope...i got a bucksaw cheap,really liked it,bought a fargo,really like that bike...then bought a ti timberjack....

    turns out salsa makes pretty dang good bikes,in many ways they have replaced my surlys....that said,i have no intention of getting rid of my surlys,being surly frames,what they are can be changed simply by swapping bits and bobs and tires...

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    I am strongly looking at one of these to replace my Crossrip. The idea of the 650 is the exact bike I want my Crossrip to be but the tire clearance isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irongrave View Post
    I am strongly looking at one of these to replace my Crossrip. The idea of the 650 is the exact bike I want my Crossrip to be but the tire clearance isn't there.
    How much tire clearance are you looking for? Also, dropbars or flats?

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    All...so I'm looking to buy my first gravel bike for commuting (3miles one-way) and the off days on gravel trails and some clean singletrack where the gnarly MTB trails are washed out. I'm not looking to put up large mileage here.

    My trail bike is 27.5 x 2.6 tires full squish. And I see all the rage right now with 650B x 2.1"+ or 700c x 40 for gravel bike. I'm thinking 650B x 2.1" is pretty much a XC mountain bike and too close to my trail bike. So something like 700C x 40 makes more sense? Only thing is I'm 5'5".

    But I find it odd that MTB the rage is 29er right now, from XC to Enduro and even some DH rigs, while it seems with gravel 650B (27.5) is the rage.

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    So has anyone ridden or bought a Journeyman yet? For some reason I'm drawn to this bike even though I don't really need another bike in the quiver. I have a Surly LHT with S&S couplers that I use for international touring duty already so this bike is somewhat redundant. However, on my last tour while in Spain my wife and our friends brought regular road bikes with racks while I was on the iron pig. It sure would be nice to go a bit lighter if I don't need to utilize the couplers to save on airfare.
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    I rode both 700c and 650B, I think for the money abd the market they are aiming for, it's a great buy. You can multiple size tires, handles good, I'd opt fir the sora model if I was in the market for a gravel/adventure bike.
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    So has anyone ridden or bought a Journeyman yet? For some reason I'm drawn to this bike even though I don't really need another bike in the quiver. I have a Surly LHT with S&S couplers that I use for international touring duty already so this bike is somewhat redundant. However, on my last tour while in Spain my wife and our friends brought regular road bikes with racks while I was on the iron pig. It sure would be nice to go a bit lighter if I don't need to utilize the couplers to save on airfare.
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    Large 650 Journeyman w wood chipper bars & maxxis Forekaster tires

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    My riding buddy has a 700c sora journeyman. It's an excellent bike for the price and rides really really well. I tried to order one 2 weeks ago from my local bike shop and was informed that there are no in stock journeymen in the biggest 3 sizes and that won't change until late august/early september.

    I ended up ordering a giant toughroad instead.

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    got mine!

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    my new to me Journeyman. I'm 6' and the 57mm fits great. got the 650b model and really line the way it handles, disc brakes are awesome. that said I found a good deal on some sram rival hydraulic shifter/ brakes and will be going to a 1 by setup with shimano 46 tooth rear, nx long cage derailuer and 32 tooth crank to better handle the mountain's here.

    also ordered a Revalant half frame bag and I'll be set to do some bike packing this summer! very happy with this bike and the price!

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    57mm size for 6í tall rider

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    my new to me Journeyman. I'm 6' and the 57mm fits great. got the 650b model and really line the way it handles, disc brakes are awesome. that said I found a good deal on some sram rival hydraulic shifter/ brakes and will be going to a 1 by setup with shimano 46 tooth rear, nx long cage derailuer and 32 tooth crank to better handle the mountain's here.

    also ordered a Revalant half frame bag and I'll be set to do some bike packing this summer! very happy with this bike and the price!
    Tetcata, I agree, my 57mm shown above. I am about 5í11Ē, and tried 3 sizes before settling on the 57mm as the most comfortable size. A really fun bike so far & solid price performer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatbikefan View Post
    Tetcata, I agree, my 57mm shown above. I am about 5í11Ē, and tried 3 sizes before settling on the 57mm as the most comfortable size. A really fun bike so far & solid price performer!
    looks like you have woodchipper bars on yourJourneyman. can you share your thoughts on them vs the cowbell? I'm interested in trying some out.

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    Waiting to order a 650b sora... Looks like QBP is out of the 54. I want to run it 700, but dig the colorway on the 650b sora, and have some 700's that'll fit!

    Anyone know when salsa should be putting out the next batch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudderNutter View Post
    Waiting to order a 650b sora... Looks like QBP is out of the 54. I want to run it 700, but dig the colorway on the 650b sora, and have some 700's that'll fit!

    Anyone know when salsa should be putting out the next batch?
    No date on it yet. Might be a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    No date on it yet. Might be a bit

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    Bummer... I'll just keep living vicariously through you guys! Unless I talk myself into another bike before then

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudderNutter View Post
    Waiting to order a 650b sora... Looks like QBP is out of the 54. I want to run it 700, but dig the colorway on the 650b sora, and have some 700's that'll fit!

    Anyone know when salsa should be putting out the next batch?
    My LBS stated end of august at the earliest. I didn't believe them so I called salsa and they confirmed the same. Scope the giant toughroad if you're looking for something in the next few months. I ended up with one of those and when comparing it to my buddies journeyman, the bikes are very very similar. The giant gets a small nod for value for money, but loses the same nod for not being as cool of a brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimusprime View Post
    My LBS stated end of august at the earliest. I didn't believe them so I called salsa and they confirmed the same. Scope the giant toughroad if you're looking for something in the next few months. I ended up with one of those and when comparing it to my buddies journeyman, the bikes are very very similar. The giant gets a small nod for value for money, but loses the same nod for not being as cool of a brand.

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    I do like that tough road! My situation is a little odd because I get a discount at QBP, so Iím trying to stay in that realm... kind of looking at cross checks and vayas, but I really like the value of the Journeyman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MudderNutter View Post
    I do like that tough road! My situation is a little odd because I get a discount at QBP, so Iím trying to stay in that realm... kind of looking at cross checks and vayas, but I really like the value of the Journeyman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    Do you want a bike that will allow for a bigger volume tire? If so, the vaya is a good choice, if yo do not need a big volume tire, there's the Straggler or midnight special.

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    I donít have a need for a very large tire. Just up to 40c at the largest. I want it to serve as my ďroad bikeĒ, gravel grinder, and commuter. I have an el mariachi for anything that would require a bigger tire. I get spun out on the el mar commuting, but donít want to make it 2x.

    The goal is to keep the cost low, but get a versatile bike that is enjoyable to ride.


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    Woodchipper vs Cowbell

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    looks like you have woodchipper bars on yourJourneyman. can you share your thoughts on them vs the cowbell? I'm interested in trying some out.
    I also changed out the stock 90mm stem for a shorter 35 degree stem which raised and shortened my reach on my size 57 journeyman. I feel this coupled with the 2.35mm Foercaster tires gives me an Aluminum Fargo geometry! Light, compliant and a more mountain bike feel for still a gravel bike which you can load all the bikepacking gear you want. My other two rides are an original Blackborow fatbike & a new Surly Krampus, so I wanted a gravel/mountain bike ride. I do like the woodchippers, it seems they give a bit more range of grip vs cowbell.

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    I am going to go test ride a 700c Claris this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimusprime View Post
    My riding buddy has a 700c sora journeyman. It's an excellent bike for the price and rides really really well. I tried to order one 2 weeks ago from my local bike shop and was informed that there are no in stock journeymen in the biggest 3 sizes and that won't change until late august/early september.

    I ended up ordering a giant toughroad instead.
    What size frame and configuration do you need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corwin1968 View Post
    I love that they also are selling a flat-bar version of the Journeyman. My initial reaction was "WOW", then "I wish it was steel instead of aluminum" and then I realized if it was steel, it wouldn't be much different than the Karate Monkey I already own. I hope I can find a flat-bar version in my size to test ride.
    I almost got the FB Journeyman to replace the KM I use for commuting. But realised that the cheap frame likely would save much weight and there are NO options for aftermarket carbon forks with the same specs as the stock fork (which was something I wanted). So I'd effectively be building a new bike for slightly more frame bag space.

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    Be interested to hear your thoughts on the bike. I am waiting to demo a Journeyman Claris 650 Flat Bar


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    I am going to go test ride a 700c Claris this weekend.

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    Picked up my Journeyman over the weekend to go along with a '14Vaya that is now more for street duty. First ride and am pretty happy with the new ride.
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    Which version is that? Your rear frame triangle seems to have a big curve and sweep to it near the rear hub and the others bikes posted above (green and blue) have sharp angles / straight lines.

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    Picked up my Journeyman over the weekend to go along with a '14Vaya that is now more for street duty. First ride and am pretty happy with the new ride.

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    I think it's the Sora 700. I wonder if the frame is made like that because it's a smaller size? Like <52

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    newking- BurkC is spot on, white frame are the Sora700, it's a 52cm frame.

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    Pictures don't do it justice

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    Nice looking bike, looks pink on the salsa website but more rose colored in your pic. Be interested to hear how the 1x gearing is on road, mixed gravel and singletrack.

    I have always been a 1x rider but was thinking the 46/30 gearing on the Flat bar Claris bike would cover a big range.



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    Quote Originally Posted by newking View Post
    Nice looking bike, looks pink on the salsa website but more rose colored in your pic. Be interested to hear how the 1x gearing is on road, mixed gravel and singletrack.

    I have always been a 1x rider but was thinking the 46/30 gearing on the Flat bar Claris bike would cover a big range.
    I will update if I end up buying this, I'm still debating between this or the cutthroat, but if end up with this one, it will be an epic ride I'll say.

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    Let me know how you make out. Cutthroat is a nice bike but seems pricy. I was thinking of adding a gravel bike not as my main ride, more of a secondary option.

    Was thinking the Journeyman with a few nice upgrades and pair of 2nd wheels comes in well under $2K.

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    I will update if I end up buying this, I'm still debating between this or the cutthroat, but if end up with this one, it will be an epic ride I'll say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newking View Post
    Let me know how you make out. Cutthroat is a nice bike but seems pricy. I was thinking of adding a gravel bike not as my main ride, more of a secondary option.

    Was thinking the Journeyman with a few nice upgrades and pair of 2nd wheels comes in well under $2K.
    I think that's what I will be doing, getting the 700c Apex1 model swapping a few things, getting a second wheelset and saving my chips, I'm really digging this color

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vto2.0 View Post
    I think that's what I will be doing, getting the 700c Apex1 model swapping a few things, getting a second wheelset and saving my chips, I'm really digging this color

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    Picked up my Journeyman. I went with the 700 SORA. I'm a Flat bar / gripshift guy so the shop swapped out the triggers for XO1 gripshift and put Teravail Rutland 38 tires on the bike. Tubeless.

    This is my first gravel bike.

    Went for a ride yesterday - did 19 miles of pavement, gravel, singletrack, fire roads and all types of mixed surfaces. Had a blast. Bike handled great

    This is a great low cost bike that is very versatile. I plan on riding this without any loops or routes in mind, just going to throw a leg over it and start riding and go wherever it takes me and explore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newking View Post
    Picked up my Journeyman. I went with the 700 SORA. I'm a Flat bar / gripshift guy so the shop swapped out the triggers for XO1 gripshift and put Teravail Rutland 38 tires on the bike. Tubeless.

    This is my first gravel bike.

    Went for a ride yesterday - did 19 miles of pavement, gravel, singletrack, fire roads and all types of mixed surfaces. Had a blast. Bike handled great

    This is a great low cost bike that is very versatile. I plan on riding this without any loops or routes in mind, just going to throw a leg over it and start riding and go wherever it takes me and explore.
    Love the colorway. Dont love the grips. LOL

    Seriously, you will love this bike. I have a Vaya and havent ridden my MTB much since I got it

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    picked up my Sora 650(57cm) in March. Very few rides yet as the snow has finally been melting but I plan to get out tomorrow before we get more snow next week
    Enjoy the ride...

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    Very new to riding with any regularity and I am really looking into this bike for it functionality and adaptability. I was wondering how many riders actully switch out the wheel sizes or just ride what you brought and also why flat vs drop bar. My current and only bike is a 26" MTB with flat bars and I have no idea what direction I would go for an All Road bike.
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    I've had mine for a few weeks and have several rides on it. I Demo'ed the bike with 650B wheels and it felt fast and nimble. I ended up deciding to go with the 700CC Wheelset as it wanted to do some road rides, some gravel and some all road.

    Part of the decision was that I have had two 650B mountain bikes and always came back to the 29er as preferred wheel size and it just seems better overall.

    I tried another gravel bike with drop bars and did not like the handling on downhill singletrack, so I went with the flat bars. Much easier to brake, steer and shift. I put bar ends on my bike.

    Rides like a dream, I did a 20 mile road ride (not a roadie), singltrack ride and all road ride and the bike is master of none but good all around at most everything else.

    Enjoy


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    Very new to riding with any regularity and I am really looking into this bike for it functionality and adaptability. I was wondering how many riders actully switch out the wheel sizes or just ride what you brought and also why flat vs drop bar. My current and only bike is a 26" MTB with flat bars and I have no idea what direction I would go for an All Road bike.
    Thanks!

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    mounted my 2.25Ē Racing Ralphs tubeless and thereís still plenty of room for debris...
    Enjoy the ride...

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    Thanks for the information!
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    Does anyone know the internal width of the 700c rims? I want to order tubeless tape and can't seem to find the width to order the right tape. Thanks guys!!

    Loving the bike so far!!

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    650b Claris Flat Bar

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    I bought my Journeyman with no plans to go gravel grinding, but instead to create an "urban assault" type setup I could ride on horrible pavement and broken sidewalks, while also being able to put in some fitness miles on the local road routes. I wasn't sure about the Claris drivetrain at first, but it's been fine so far, and honestly all I need for this application. The fact that the stock hubs don't accept a 10+ speed cassette is a good way to hold my upgrade-itis at bay. I did have to swap out the stock bar for a Soma Dream riser bar since my wrists don't get along with anything less than 20 degrees of sweep. I also had to swap out the seatpost/saddle for fit reasons as well. In case anyone is wondering, the Journeyman will clear a 2.35 Schwalbe G-One speed no problem, although I doubt you could fit a tire with tread that size without rubbing. I really like this bike, looking forward to putting in some miles on it this summer.

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    In my view, what sets this bike appart from the competition is the huge clearance. If going with thinner tires and 700c rims, there are nicer bikes like the 2020 Trek Crockett (more expensive however). What appeals to me here are the 650b wheels and 2.1 tires. Hereís my question, are there any other gravel / all-roads bikes on the (US) market with such clearance? Iím not finding any yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geotrouvetout67 View Post
    In my view, what sets this bike appart from the competition is the huge clearance. If going with thinner tires and 700c rims, there are nicer bikes like the 2020 Trek Crockett (more expensive however). What appeals to me here are the 650b wheels and 2.1 tires. Hereís my question, are there any other gravel / all-roads bikes on the (US) market with such clearance? Iím not finding any yet.
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    Hereís mine. Bought 2nd week of July, have just about 1000 miles on it so far. Did my first ever century with it last weekend. Havenít been on my mountain bike since Iíve gotten it, really super happy with this bike. All stock at this point.

    Only problem so far was the bottom bracket started clicking. Found that it came loose on the non-drive side, easy peasy. Everything else has been rock solid.

    Only regret, as I have a bit of OCD... the gloss black shows every scratch, swirl mark, or imperfection in the sunlight just like a black car would. But thatís my issue, haha.

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    First impressions

    Thought I'd post mine up....lousy picture but the only one I've got.

    I'm older than dirt and after a crash that ef'd up my shoulder bad, I found that the loose rocks really have me spooked and I was spending all my time on pavement or forest roads, so I figured why not get a bike better suited for that type of riding......lots of research and I settled on the Journeyman Sora build. My first impressions after around 35 miles mixed asphalt and dirt roads:

    It's not the lightest in the class, but it feels like a feather next to my 27.5+ Timberjack

    I think they have the gearing nailed.....I have yet to run out of gears on either end

    First drop bar bike I have had since the shifters were NOT indexed and they were on the downtube.....getting used to the shifting took a bit, but the Sora components shift smoothly without unneeded noises or skips...

    Bike feels nimble and quick on pavement and pretty stable on dirt. Doesn't like sand (that shouldn't surprise anyone)

    The factory seat had to take a hike. I put my Ergon on, but withe the different position, it doesn't work as well as it does on a flat bar for preventing butt pains. Gonna have to find something a bit better (Brooks?)

    The brakes (mechanical disk) are OK, but could be a bit better. Maybe they will continue to seat as they wear.......

    The fit/finish/paint, etc. is outstanding

    The carbon front fork takes some of the rumble out of washboard roads better than I thought it would.....

    The bottle cage mounts at the bottom of the seat tube are pretty useless as the clamp from the front derailleur is between the two screws (at least it is on a 55.5)

    Riding a drop bar puts my arms/shoulders in a different position, and being that I basically do not have functioning rotator cuffs in either shoulder, it is putting a bit of a strain on the other muscles, but I think that will ease off once they get used to it.

    All in all, I think Salsa did a good job with this one....

    YMMV

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    What's the biggest tire anyone has run on the 700C Journeyman. Looking for real world examples. I put WTB 700 x 45 Riddlers on mine and still seems to be a huge amount of space for something bigger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by newking View Post
    What's the biggest tire anyone has run on the 700C Journeyman. Looking for real world examples. I put WTB 700 x 45 Riddlers on mine and still seems to be a huge amount of space for something bigger...
    I have a friend running WTB ventures 700x50's with clearance and they seem to be just fine for the bike and the riding that's done with them

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