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    Dos Niner in stock

    Just received an email that Salsa Dos Niners are now in stock at QBP. Just thought I would pass it along.

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    Yes they are....You beat us too it

    We've been kind of quiet until they were in our hands, fully inspected and tested. We hope to post pics as early as tomorrow. My personal XTR bike is almost complete! I'll post pics along with weight.

    Salsa is pretty sure you will be asking about the now infamous Mike C (and friends) review and the tire clearance issue. As shown in a posting/photograph by me about a week and half ago, the clearance is far better than the preproduction prototype tested by Mike and his friends. Please, if any of you are coming to the QBP Frostbike event in a few weeks, come see us and check this bike out.

    While the clearance is better than the bike reviewed by MC, I am sure it won't be enough for some of you. Additionally, tire and rim variations can make a big difference in tire profiles. We tested it using our Salsa Delgado Cross rims. All we ask is that you take a look and judge for yourself. We think the Dos Niner is an amazing bike in an important and growing segment of the market. Hope you do too.

    Jason
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    Jason,

    Three questions:

    1) What is MSRP on the frame?

    2) Any clearance issues with downtube and fork crown on suspension forks (Reba or WB)?

    3) What sizes will be available? Specs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Salsa is pretty sure you will be asking about the now infamous Mike C (and friends) review and the tire clearance issue. As shown in a posting/photograph by me about a week and half ago, the clearance is far better than the preproduction prototype tested by Mike and his friends.
    courtesy photo bump:

    <img border=2 img src="https://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/867718/DosNinerKlawcopy2.JPG">
    FS: Everything

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    1) MSRP. We initially had MSRP at $1190. We lowered it after feedback from dealers at Interbike 2004. This is going to sound funny, but I THINK it is about $1060. I'm at home right now and will correct this tomorrow if needed.

    2) D-tube & fork issues: Well, since Fisher/trek has an exclusive on the Reba, we just received one (that we bought from a dealer) and haven't tested it yet. We will, but I just can't answer at the moment. WB? Don't know yet. Again, haven't tested it on the production bikes, but will. We do have one test bike with the .8.

    3) Sizes. 16", 18", 20", 22". We are working on the website page this week, but we'll try to post full spec on our blog if we can't get the dos page on our site immediately.

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    Do you offer it as a complete bike?

    I had to ask!

    Randy

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    § Salsa scandium size-specific, custom drawn tubeset w/ Salsa Relish Air rear shock
    § ISO 51mm disc mounts, removable canti bosses
    § Fits up to a 29" x 2.5 tire
    § 135mm rear spacing
    § Standard 1 1/8" headtube
    § Seatpost diameter: 27.2mm
    § Seatpost clamp: 30.6mm
    § Front derailleur clamp: 34.9mm Bottom pull, top swing
    § Bottom bracket size: English 68mm
    § Includes Salsa Flip-Lock seat collar, and frame accessory kit
    § Frame weight: 4.1 lbs. 18" with Relish Air shock
    § Designed to be used with a 75-85mm travel front suspension fork

    Wonder where they got the 29 x 2.5" tire?

    -TS
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    tire size correction

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSherpa
    § Salsa scandium size-specific, custom drawn tubeset w/ Salsa Relish Air rear shock
    § ISO 51mm disc mounts, removable canti bosses
    § Fits up to a 29" x 2.5 tire
    § 135mm rear spacing
    § Standard 1 1/8" headtube
    § Seatpost diameter: 27.2mm
    § Seatpost clamp: 30.6mm
    § Front derailleur clamp: 34.9mm Bottom pull, top swing
    § Bottom bracket size: English 68mm
    § Includes Salsa Flip-Lock seat collar, and frame accessory kit
    § Frame weight: 4.1 lbs. 18" with Relish Air shock
    § Designed to be used with a 75-85mm travel front suspension fork

    Wonder where they got the 29 x 2.5" tire?

    -TS
    Aren't those bullet points pulled from QBP.COM? If yes, I don't know why your post shows 2.5"? I just logged into to check QBP.COM and it says up to a 2.3". It WILL NOT fit a 2.5" tire. While the new 2.3" WTB does physically fit in the new frames, clearance is tight, and tire flex could get the tire to rub in some spots. Because of this, we do not recommend the new 2.3" wtb tire.

    jason
    Last edited by Salsa Cycles; 02-02-2005 at 09:22 PM. Reason: correction

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    Whats the tire in the photo?

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    Tire in Photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtc
    Whats the tire in the photo?
    Kenda 2.1 mounted to a Salsa Delgado Cross.

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    just curious- is there a reason for creating rear stays that are not recommended for 2.3 tires? i ask because there has been so, so much clamor for bigger, more aggressive knobbies on this forum. you may be eliminating a fair bit of the buying segment with the limited clearance; esp. as the tire market expands in this direction.
    i personally love large volume tires.
    thanks, and congrats on getting your new frame out!
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    Good questions

    Quote Originally Posted by OneGearGuy
    just curious- is there a reason for creating rear stays that are not recommended for 2.3 tires? i ask because there has been so, so much clamor for bigger, more aggressive knobbies on this forum. you may be eliminating a fair bit of the buying segment with the limited clearance; esp. as the tire market expands in this direction.
    i personally love large volume tires.
    thanks, and congrats on getting your new frame out!
    Well, this is a very good question with no simple answer.

    As noted in our response to mtbr folks after the MC review, bike design is always a challenge and hard decisions have to be made. In the case of the tires, when the bike was designed, tooling was created, etc, we used the largest tires available at the time to make the design. While it probably sounds like a super easy thing to change now that a bigger tire finally made it to the market, it isn't that simple. While the final run does have more clearance than the 10 or so pre production samples that we received just before Interbike 2004, we were not able to change to get really good clearance for the final production 2.3 tire.

    That said, I can say that we have been riding our bikes in Rain, Snow, Ice and in some cases Mud (only when appropriate) with very good results. We also believe that this topic about the Dos Niner is just a bit blown out of proportion. Clearance is a valid concern, but in the end and if you like riding in a lot of mud, like big drops, like super wide tires, this may not be the bike/frame for you. You are right, we may infact eliminate a specific segment of the market (which I might add in gest, is highly represented on this board). If you enjoy riding, like a light frame, like the extra comfort of a softail, like a fast and nimble bike, then the Dos is a very good fit.

    Lastly, as the entire 29" market grows, Salsa thinks it will segment. Think about 26" suspension bikes. They are now segmented into Race, All Mtn, Freeride, DH, etc......We are super excited about this bike and believe that it offers a unique mix of fit-function-durability in a package that isn't readily available in the 29" market. As we go forward, we will do what we can to accommodate the trends and have recognized a need for more clearance. As I said earlier, the 29" market is an important segment for Salsa and a growing market.

    Thanks for your time. I'm going to bed for the evening....I'll check back tomorrow.

    Jason

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    aebike has these listed on their website, instock, for $750?
    GET Bret Weir, I said.

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    although I'm not financially in a spot to purchase this frame right now, I think it makes good sense in my mind as an xc/endurance frame, and I really wouldn't mind owning one if the future. Sure tire clearance might be a bit tight with the bigger tire, but I think a 9er 2.1 w/ the soft tail design would be fine for alot of riding. I guess I'm just excited that we're getting all of these options now. Thanks Salsa for sticking your necks out on this one. I hope it does well.

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    thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Well, this is a very good question with no simple answer.

    As noted in our response to mtbr folks after the MC review, bike design is always a challenge and hard decisions have to be made. In the case of the tires, when the bike was designed, tooling was created, etc, we used the largest tires available at the time to make the design. While it probably sounds like a super easy thing to change now that a bigger tire finally made it to the market, it isn't that simple. While the final run does have more clearance than the 10 or so pre production samples that we received just before Interbike 2004, we were not able to change to get really good clearance for the final production 2.3 tire.

    That said, I can say that we have been riding our bikes in Rain, Snow, Ice and in some cases Mud (only when appropriate) with very good results. We also believe that this topic about the Dos Niner is just a bit blown out of proportion. Clearance is a valid concern, but in the end and if you like riding in a lot of mud, like big drops, like super wide tires, this may not be the bike/frame for you. You are right, we may infact eliminate a specific segment of the market (which I might add in gest, is highly represented on this board). If you enjoy riding, like a light frame, like the extra comfort of a softail, like a fast and nimble bike, then the Dos is a very good fit.

    Lastly, as the entire 29" market grows, Salsa thinks it will segment. Think about 26" suspension bikes. They are now segmented into Race, All Mtn, Freeride, DH, etc......We are super excited about this bike and believe that it offers a unique mix of fit-function-durability in a package that isn't readily available in the 29" market. As we go forward, we will do what we can to accommodate the trends and have recognized a need for more clearance. As I said earlier, the 29" market is an important segment for Salsa and a growing market.

    Thanks for your time. I'm going to bed for the evening....I'll check back tomorrow.

    Jason
    thanks, Jason. that does make sense, and i appreciate your honesty. good luck with the sales, and get us some pics so we can dream and drool.
    Spinning and Grinning...

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    Does anyone have frame sizing specs yet? I'm curious about 18" and 20".

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    specs

    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSwami.com
    Does anyone have frame sizing specs yet? I'm curious about 18" and 20".
    Our site is being worked on, but until it is finished, we'll get them on our Blog soon.

    http://www.salsacycles.com/amigos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salsa Cycles
    Aren't those bullet points pulled from QBP.COM? If yes, I don't know why your post shows 2.5"? I just logged into to check QBP.COM and it says up to a 2.3". It WILL NOT fit a 2.5" tire. While the new 2.3" WTB does physically fit in the new frames, clearance is tight, and tire flex could get the tire to rub in some spots. Because of this, we do not recommend the new 2.3" wtb tire.

    jason
    They changed it after i posted it......

    -TS
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