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    Any News From The Salsa Show This Weekend

    I heard that people were allowed to take pictures at the QBP Salsa show going on right now. Let's post them up. Anyone got details or pictures of the 2013 El Mariachi Ti???????

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    i hope a spearfish with 100mm travel


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    Pretty sure we'll see a Horsethief 1,2 and 3... Fat bike racer and a few other goods!

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    Guitar Ted,

    Have you seen the new El Mariachi Ti yet? I am wondering what changes they made to it vs the 2012 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    WOW!!!

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    I read that

    the colossal is salsas dedicated gravel grinder racer frame with flat stays for compliance and room for 40c tires. Looks pretty sweet. I wonder if theyll offer a steel version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm View Post
    the colossal is salsas dedicated gravel grinder racer frame with flat stays for compliance and room for 40c tires. Looks pretty sweet. I wonder if theyll offer a steel version.
    Agreed! A more affordable steel version of that is just what I'm looking for. I can't imagine theyd come to market with only the Ti model, at least I'd hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrm View Post
    the colossal is salsas dedicated gravel grinder racer frame with flat stays for compliance and room for 40c tires. Looks pretty sweet. I wonder if theyll offer a steel version.
    I believe you have the Colossal confused with another new bike from Salsa. The Colossal is a disc-equipped road bike. Salsa has a new gravel/cyclcross bikes in the works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Pride View Post
    Guitar Ted,

    Have you seen the new El Mariachi Ti yet? I am wondering what changes they made to it vs the 2012 model.

    Nope- haven't seen it. Might sometime in August. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Pattersnap View Post
    I believe you have the Colossal confused with another new bike from Salsa. The Colossal is a disc-equipped road bike. Salsa has a new gravel/cyclcross bikes in the works.
    Yep- that's the roadie, the Colossal. mtbr.com has clear pics of it with Clement road racing tires on it. Not MSO's.

    The gravel machine in titanium is rumored to be named "Warbird". That's purely a rumor I've heard. (I have seen the proto)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Nope- haven't seen it. Might sometime in August. We'll see.
    I just checked the Salsa Cycles Twitter and they make it sound like they will post pictures of it some time today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Pride View Post
    I just checked the Salsa Cycles Twitter and they make it sound like they will post pictures of it some time today.
    If Salsa does post photos of the New El Mar, would you please post them here? Thanks.

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    Here's the Warbird. Will be a disc gravel grinder rig in aluminum, (shown), and titanium. From Twitter
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    Horsethief 1 (black)
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    Green Mukluk (?)
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    With alternators... ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    With alternators... ^^^
    Sure enough. I just want to know which bike this is:Any News From The Salsa Show This Weekend-imageuploadedbytapatalk1342997946.249226.jpg
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    Warbird in titanium
    Colossal in aluminum

    Whiskey parts also is showing thru-axle CX forks as well, by the way.
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    Salsa Mukluk 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooker_47 View Post
    Sure enough. I just want to know which bike this is:Click image for larger version. 

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    I'd say Colossal in steel! Painted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Colossal in aluminum
    You mean steel?

    So far I'm really really liking the selection this year. I predict many models will sell out fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Pride View Post
    Guitar Ted,

    Have you seen the new El Mariachi Ti yet? I am wondering what changes they made to it vs the 2012 model.
    This is what I'm waiting for too. I'm expecting alternator dropouts but keen to see if there is anything else.

    Mind you, I'd also love to see a Ti Spearfish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    This is what I'm waiting for too. I'm expecting alternator dropouts but keen to see if there is anything else.

    Mind you, I'd also love to see a Ti Spearfish!
    I was told by a good source that is there that the 2013 El Mar Ti will in fact come with alternator dropouts.

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    Salsa Ti seat post. Personally, this is the most exciting product to me. Well....this and a Ti Warbird would be sweet. I'll definitely be buying a couple of these seat posts when they come out for my Salsas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Warbird in titanium
    Colossal in aluminum

    Whiskey parts also is showing thru-axle CX forks as well, by the way.
    Aluminum or steel? Tubes looks small enough to be steel, maybe not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by willapajames View Post
    Aluminum or steel? Tubes looks small enough to be steel, maybe not...

    Looked like alu to me. Honestly, I don't know for sure. Hoping it is steel myself, not that I ride road though.
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    Repeated q.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    I'd say Colossal in steel! Painted!
    I think it a travel Vaya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Here's the Warbird. Will be a disc gravel grinder rig in aluminum, (shown), and titanium. From Twitter
    Hm. An aluminum gravel bike. I think I'll be fine with my Vaya.

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    I see Nates look to be standard issues on the Muks. Nice! Curious about how thumbies will work in the winter with mittens and so on. I think I'd rather have twisters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surlywhore View Post
    I think it a travel Vaya.
    Nah - it won't be painted...
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    Muk 3 will come in two colors- this is the orange. (Note- head tube gusset lives on, but looks to have a 44mm head tube)

    Fargo 2 in what looks like a brown.

    Confirmed Colossal in blue is steel.

    From WebCyclery's Facebook wall.
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    Ted are they still having Lynsky make there Ti bikes?

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    Love the new Fargo color. I think I see a black El Mariachi in this pick from Webcyclery too.
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    seems that the Warbird is Al or Ti, and the Colossal is Ti or Fe(steel). Anyone else confused as to why your "road" bike would have the steel option, where the gravel-grinder would be Aluminum? To me a steel Warbird makes way more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    seems that the Warbird is Al or Ti, and the Colossal is Ti or Fe(steel). Anyone else confused as to why your "road" bike would have the steel option, where the gravel-grinder would be Aluminum? To me a steel Warbird makes way more sense.
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    I personally would drop Colossal altogether and made Warbird in Ti, steel and alu to cover road, gravel, cyclocross and bling with one bike.
    Depending on the sales, that just might happen next year.
    For now, looks like Kona and their steel Rove gravel grinder will benefit a lot from this oversight.

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    Now we're talking. I agree with the consensus about the road bike being aluminum and the gravel grinder being steel (or it seems like it ought to be that way). Salsa knows what they're doing no doubt, but I'll never buy an aluminum bike again after having several crack over the years. Then again, I've cracked a few steel bikes too...

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    Any word on tire clearance for the Colossal? Or geometry differences between Warbird and Colossal? I think we'll need to know that before we fully understand...

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    Found this info direct from Salsa on Bikerumor:

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    Tim @ Salsa - 07/22/12 - 10:43pm
    Hey guys – just want to get the correct info out there.
    The Warbird is a gravel specific racing bike, and for this has clearance up to 38c tires. For this, the Warbird uses the standard ENVE CX Disc fork
    We also launched another new model today called the Colossal, which is a dedicated road disc bike with 28c tire clearance. It is the model that will have the new ENVE RD Disc fork that we worked with them on to create, the one that Tyler mentions he saw at the factory.
    The Warbird will come in 3/2.5 seamless double butted titanium and Extrolite EV6 aluminum. The Colossal will come in 3/2.5 seamless double butted titanium and double butted 4130 chomoly. All will have the 44mm headtube, and all specs and framesets include their partnered ENVE fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ojos Azules View Post
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    I personally would drop Colossal altogether


    Heck no! This will be my next bike. Maybe not this year, but probably next. I already have a steel disc CX'er acting as my current road bike and it would be nice to have something a little more road proper.

    I can understand an aluminum gravel RACER.....key word is racer. Light, comfy (despite the bad rap), and fast. I'm a steel fan myself, but if I were looking for a lightweight racer this would be the ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooker_47 View Post
    Love the new Fargo color. I think I see a black El Mariachi in this pick from Webcyclery too.
    Yes, that sure looks like a black El Mar - and with nice green accents. I suspect it is a complete bike, looking at the matching green seatpost collar and hubs. Hopefully, that is the El Mar 2, or if it is the 3, it will also have a 15mm axle on the fork. Really excited to see what Salsa announces today and throughout the week.

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    Link provided via QBP's FB page:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ®andyA View Post
    Link provided via QBP's FB page:

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    The 2013 Salsa lineup poster in the video shows a Ti El Mar - hopefully with alternator dropouts, and also that the black El Mar in the photo above is, in fact, the El Mar 2. Hopefully it will have a 15mm or 20mm maxel fork.

    Looks like the Vaya 2 will be a pretty gloss white.

    All of these are likely out of my budget, but it's fun to dream.

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    Vaya is what I am interested in and white is a good loking color.

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    The Vaya is what I was interested in too. I'm hoping it's just a color change and maybe component. I'm really hoping for no Alternator or 44mm headtube.
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    Hard to tell from that photo of the dark brown Fargo, but it looks like it's still got fixed dropouts (based on the rear caliper position) like last year. That's what I was hoping for, but I know some folks will be bummed.

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    Any estimate on arrival and price of the Limited El mar?

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    Salsa Ti Fargo and Ti El Mar. Note- no more Ti Selma as the El Mar has an Altenator drop now. All have 44mm head tubes.

    Vaya- The travel Vaya is stainless steel with S&S travel couplers and Altenator drop outs. There is also a cream colored Vaya and a base Vaya in a darker color, but I haven't seen close images of these yet.
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    Great. My next bike.

    I just need a delivery date and someone to take my money off me!!

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    Is that a white Spearfish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
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    Vaya- The travel Vaya is stainless steel with S&S travel couplers and Altenator drop outs.


    Where are pics of this!?! Stainless steel.

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    Check the link to the video on the previous page!

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    Quote Originally Posted by druidh View Post
    Great. My next bike.

    I just need a delivery date and someone to take my money off me!!
    A very good choice. Been loving mine - best hardtail I have owned.

    Any word on who is making the Ti frames? Still Lynskey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88 rex View Post
    Where are pics of this!?! Stainless steel.
    Check the youtube link a few posts above yours.

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    brown fargo!!! ...so nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by AOK View Post
    Check the youtube link a few posts above yours.
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    Check the link to the video on the previous page!
    Thanks!

    I wonder who makes that bike for them. Very nice!

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    The El Mar LTD SS should have an MSRP of $1250.00 - I am guessing demand will be high for this, as it is hard to build a El Mar frame with decent components for near that price. This is one place where the Quality/Salsa merger pays off big - the world's largest parts distributor can get some great price breaks and offer builds that make for great "bang for the buck". There is also a red El Mar on the "3" level that you can see in the one photo that shows the black El Mar. The Colossal will also be an interesting model - something that the Randonneur-style rider would probably like, as well as those of us who just like the ride of steel on the pavement. (I do love my CF Cervelo and Madone, but have kinda been wanting another steel bike...) Wondering what fork I'll need to try out that new Surly 29 x 3.0 tire on my Selma... Very cool stuff, was lucky enough to have known about it for a while and glad to see that it all is making it to production. Wish I could have made it to Saddledrive this year to play with it in person - oh well... Keep the pics coming guys and gals!
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    A few questions for ATBScott and others in the know:
    1. Are the Ti bikes still made in the US?
    2. What's the price for the Ti El Mar and for the El Mar 2?
    3. Is the Ti El Mar shipping with a rigid fork only, or is there a suspension fork available in the complete build?
    4. When will the 2013 El Mars and Vayas be available for purchase, and more importantly, delivery?

    Thanks again for all the great info posted by all.

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    Better view of the red El Mar from WebCyclery and the Salsa Vaya Travel, stainless, S&S coupled, Altenator drops, from Milltown Cycles Ben Witt's Facebook page.
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    Thanks for posting the photos, Ted. I really like Salsa's new colors and graphics. Im on the fence about the steel Colossal color-way, but that bike's not on my radar, so why should I care? Otherwise, from the photos and videos of Salsa's 2013 bikes, I'd say Salsa hit it out of the park.

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    The Vaya Travel looks great. I just wish they had a Fargo Travel too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fb71 View Post
    The Vaya Travel looks great. I just wish they had a Fargo Travel too.
    And an El Mariachi travel, that would be the ultimate in versatility for bike adventuring. I thought for sure that would be in the lineup after the dude's post about taking his grey El Mar with couplers to Eurobike last year. Hopefully they'll sell alot of those vaya travels and try out some other models next year. I could buy one and get it retrofitted, but it would be so much easier to buy one all ready to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    The El Mar LTD SS should have an MSRP of $1250.00 - I am guessing demand will be high for this, as it is hard to build a El Mar frame with decent components for near that price. This is one place where the Quality/Salsa merger pays off big - the world's largest parts distributor can get some great price breaks and offer builds that make for great "bang for the buck". There is also a red El Mar on the "3" level that you can see in the one photo that shows the black El Mar. The Colossal will also be an interesting model - something that the Randonneur-style rider would probably like, as well as those of us who just like the ride of steel on the pavement. (I do love my CF Cervelo and Madone, but have kinda been wanting another steel bike...) Wondering what fork I'll need to try out that new Surly 29 x 3.0 tire on my Selma... Very cool stuff, was lucky enough to have known about it for a while and glad to see that it all is making it to production. Wish I could have made it to Saddledrive this year to play with it in person - oh well... Keep the pics coming guys and gals!
    So what's the best strategy for trying to obtain the LTD SS El Mar considering it will likely be in such high demand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can'tputt View Post
    So what's the best strategy for trying to obtain the LTD SS El Mar considering it will likely be in such high demand?
    Take a 6 pack of quality beer to your LBS and have them wait for it to pop up on QBP, then have them push the button and order ya one.
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    I think Salsa knocked it out the park this year, but why won't anyone say where the Ti frames are made? Did they farm those out this year or what?

    Glad the Fargo Ti finally got a 44mm headtube.
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    I just saw that the gravel bikes only fit up to 38c tires too. The option to run a 40-45 would be nice, I would think with the discs that could easily be achieved...but I'm sure they have their reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGI410 View Post
    Take a 6 pack of quality beer to your LBS and have them wait for it to pop up on QBP, then have them push the button and order ya one.
    Find a shop that has one on their pre season order, i know at least one has a bike or two already claimed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    Salsa Ti seat post. Personally, this is the most exciting product to me. Well....this and a Ti Warbird would be sweet. I'll definitely be buying a couple of these seat posts when they come out for my Salsas
    That is also on my list of things to ask Visa Claus for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand/of/Midas View Post
    Find a shop that has one on their pre season order, i know at least one has a bike or two already claimed...
    Yeah - on that one (El Mar LTD SS) Hand/of/Midas is correct. Go to your local Salsa dealer, ask if they have one in your size on their pre-season, and give them a deposit to put your name on it. If you wait for a dealer to "see one pop-up" on QBP, you probably aren't getting one! We've got a couple of people ordering after the pics surfaced this weekend - our preseason order will likely be sold out on these before we see any land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    A few questions for ATBScott and others in the know:
    1. Are the Ti bikes still made in the US?
    2. What's the price for the Ti El Mar and for the El Mar 2?
    3. Is the Ti El Mar shipping with a rigid fork only, or is there a suspension fork available in the complete build?
    4. When will the 2013 El Mars and Vayas be available for purchase, and more importantly, delivery?

    Thanks again for all the great info posted by all.
    Big Tiki, as far as I know, the Ti bikes are still built by Lynskey. Forecast prices for the Ti (with a Fox fork) were $3900 MSRP. The El Mar 2 will be $2000. Any dealers putting in a preseason order should be able to take a deposit on incoming product, but haven't seen firm delivery dates as of yet. I do know that the El Mar Ti frame delivery dates will be starting in December, for the first people on the lists. These will move fairly fast when they are available. We had a customer ask about a Large Ti El Mar this Spring, and one came available in May. We told him about it, he hemmed and hawed for a few days, and it was gone when he said he wanted it. If you REALLY want one, best to get your name on a preseason bike to guarantee your delivery. Gorgeous bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    Yeah - on that one (El Mar LTD SS) Hand/of/Midas is correct. Go to your local Salsa dealer, ask if they have one in your size on their pre-season, and give them a deposit to put your name on it. If you wait for a dealer to "see one pop-up" on QBP, you probably aren't getting one! We've got a couple of people ordering after the pics surfaced this weekend - our preseason order will likely be sold out on these before we see any land.
    So the trick there would be actually finding a shop that happens to have one on their pre-season order? Definitely not familiar with this process, would most pre-season orders already have been placed by now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    Big Tiki, as far as I know, the Ti bikes are still built by Lynskey. Forecast prices for the Ti (with a Fox fork) were $3900 MSRP. The El Mar 2 will be $2000. . . . Gorgeous bike.
    Thanks again, ATB Scott. Do you have any photos of the new Ti El Mar or the El Mar 2? Or the new Vaya 2 and 3?

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Thanks again, ATB Scott. Do you have any photos of the new Ti El Mar or the El Mar 2? Or the new Vaya 2 and 3?

    Cheers,

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    No pics other than what's on the 'net - we were too busy for me to escape for SaddleDrive/Dealer Camp this year! (We couldn't take pics at the preview meeting back in Feb... ) There's a shot with bikes on this thread that has the Black/Green El Mar semi-visible in the background... Looks pretty sharp to me!
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    Here is the Black/Green El Mar.


    +1 would love to see a Vaya 2 pic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I just saw that the gravel bikes only fit up to 38c tires too. The option to run a 40-45 would be nice, I would think with the discs that could easily be achieved...but I'm sure they have their reasons.

    The Warbird (as was told to me by Tim K of Salsa), can actually fit a 40mm, but with minimal mud clearances. Apparently there are reasons they can not advertise it as being more than 38mm. Will that work for you? Dunno. My take is that cutting it close on clearances isn't the best way to roll on gravel, especially if it is wet out. Note: A Clement X'Plor MSO is pretty much a 38mm tire, even tho they say it is a 40mm, so some tires may fit fine that are marketed as being bigger than a 38mm width.

    The reason I was given for the "limited" clearance is that the fast gravel racers said that 38mm tires would be big enough for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    Big Tiki, as far as I know, the Ti bikes are still built by Lynskey.......
    I see on a Facebook post by Milltown Cycles this morning that the titanium production is moving overseas for all 2013 models "save for a small number of Mukluk Ti completes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I see on a Facebook post by Milltown Cycles this morning that the titanium production is moving overseas for all 2013 models "save for a small number of Mukluk Ti completes".
    I wonder if this will result in lower prices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I see on a Facebook post by Milltown Cycles this morning that the titanium production is moving overseas for all 2013 models "save for a small number of Mukluk Ti completes".
    It just gets better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I see on a Facebook post by Milltown Cycles this morning that the titanium production is moving overseas for all 2013 models "save for a small number of Mukluk Ti completes".
    That is a real disappointment. I understand the cost of labor argument manufacturers use to justify shipping jobs overseas, but I liked the fact that Salsa was keeping part of its manufacturing here in the US. Thompson and Voler (among others) are big companies who have managed to profitably produce their goods in the US. I wish Salsa could do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    That is a real disappointment. I understand the cost of labor argument manufacturers use to justify shipping jobs overseas, but I liked the fact that Salsa was keeping part of its manufacturing here in the US. Thompson and Voler (among others) are big companies who have managed to profitably produce their goods in the US. I wish Salsa could do the same.

    Couple differences are Thomson and Voler make their own stuff. Salsa has someone else make it, whether it's Lynskey or China. There needs to be a markup somewhere to make some money. I imagine the profit margins will be greater when made in China, assuming the prices remain the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianick View Post
    Here is the Black/Green El Mar.


    +1 would love to see a Vaya 2 pic!
    Anyone got a better of that black/green El Mar? That'll probably be my next bike, so I want a better image to daydream about.
    Is there a good gallery of their new stuff up on the web anywhere? Haven't really found too many good pics so far. Anyone care to consolidate them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    That is a real disappointment. I understand the cost of labor argument manufacturers use to justify shipping jobs overseas, but I liked the fact that Salsa was keeping part of its manufacturing here in the US. Thompson and Voler (among others) are big companies who have managed to profitably produce their goods in the US. I wish Salsa could do the same.
    while it is possible that these are being moved for margin reasons, I would be more inclined to think it is deliverability issues. While Salsa is not a huge company, they still need to deliver X bikes by Y time, and if the US suppliers are unable to fulfill this need, you find someone who can. Delivery on time is becoming a growing issue with the cycling industry in general, and especially for the medium size companies who rely on a small window of sales to make their year profitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombinate View Post
    while it is possible that these are being moved for margin reasons, I would be more inclined to think it is deliverability issues. While Salsa is not a huge company, they still need to deliver X bikes by Y time, and if the US suppliers are unable to fulfill this need, you find someone who can. Delivery on time is becoming a growing issue with the cycling industry in general, and especially for the medium size companies who rely on a small window of sales to make their year profitable.
    Makes total sense.

    Hopefully they will also have enough to go around. I really had to scramble VERY EARLY in the season to score my Fargo 2. I couldn't find a New Muk locally in the size I needed, so I bought a demo. The Vaya is still around if you look hard.

    I will say this -- with my "Oops, I bought too many bikes and she noticed" agreement with my wife to not buy any bikes for 2 years, it's gonna be a TOUGH 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    That is a real disappointment. I understand the cost of labor argument manufacturers use to justify shipping jobs overseas, but I liked the fact that Salsa was keeping part of its manufacturing here in the US. Thompson and Voler (among others) are big companies who have managed to profitably produce their goods in the US. I wish Salsa could do the same.
    While I agree with general concern about US manufacturing disappearing, Salsa is not really shipping jobs overseas here. Lynskey is not necessarily downsizing just because Salsa chose to go with another supplier.

    I would also point out that we don't really know the story here. As zombinate pointed out, it may have to do with delivery schedules. It could also be a move by Lynskey to stop manufacturing bikes for other companies that compete with Lynskey's own brand (although I kind of doubt this). No telling what the reasons are.

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    Hey guys -

    Thanks for all the enthusiasm. As you know, we are a small company of a few people, even though we are inside the big QBP. And because of this, we have limited people-time, especially this time of year. All details and pictures, MSRP, specs and geometry for all models will be up on our website for Eurobike, which is Aug 29th.

    Our dealers and partners that were present at Saddle Drive are welcome to post up any pictures they may have taken, but all official info and pictures will wait until Aug 29.

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    cheq, I'm wondering why Salsa didn't go with thru axles on any of their new models. You're sister company, Whiskey, is making - having made for them - thru axle forks for road and cross. And yet they are no shows at Salsa. And I also see Salsa spec'ed Enve forks on the Warbird and Colossal and not Whiskey, basically the house brand. Supply issues?

    Edit: answered my own question. New Salsas come w 44mm headtube, and Whiskeys come in tapered only.

    Don't think the public is ready for thru axles?
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    Thanks to everyone for the replies and great pictures of the 2013 Salsa frames. I was most interested in the El Mariachi Ti and would love any other pictures that might be out there. I did notice from the one picture that it looks like they changed the cable routing to under the top tube rather than downtube which I think is a great move.

    Any thoughts on the alternator dropouts and whether they are a perfected entity at this point? I plan to only run gears so really do not need them.

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    Ti El Mariachi picture....and others!


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    If the El Mariachi Ti gets alternators, does the Selma Ti become obsolete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssalmons View Post
    If the El Mariachi Ti gets alternators, does the Selma Ti become obsolete?
    Yes.

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    Thanks for the link to the photo of the El Mar2. Great looking bike, and hopefully my next.

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    Thanks guys, these pics are great!! Man, I am impressed with the new color schemes. Salsa did a great job with the new El Mars. The new spearfish frames look badass too. So, any word on the new mamasita? What color, will it have alt drops, or is Salsa even making one this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudrock View Post
    cheq, I'm wondering why Salsa didn't go with thru axles on any of their new models. You're sister company, Whiskey, is making - having made for them - thru axle forks for road and cross. And yet they are no shows at Salsa. And I also see Salsa spec'ed Enve forks on the Warbird and Colossal and not Whiskey, basically the house brand. Supply issues?

    Edit: answered my own question. New Salsas come w 44mm headtube, and Whiskeys come in tapered only.

    Don't think the public is ready for thru axles?
    Hey Mudrock - we do have tapered steer tubes on all the ENVE forks, you can run a tapered steer tube in a 44mm head tube using the Cane Creek EC44 headsets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudrock View Post
    cheq, I'm wondering why Salsa didn't go with thru axles on any of their new models. You're sister company, Whiskey, is making - having made for them - thru axle forks for road and cross. And yet they are no shows at Salsa. And I also see Salsa spec'ed Enve forks on the Warbird and Colossal and not Whiskey, basically the house brand. Supply issues?
    "Whisky expects a spring 2013 delivery of the forks"

    Thru the looking glass of Whisky: Thru axles are coming to road,

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    Has anyone seen a decent shot of the Mukluk 2? I've got one on pre-order and wouldn't mind having an image to obsess over until whenever it actually gets delievered. I saw the picture that Salsa tweeted by the way, but it wasn't very clear.

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    The all new WARBIRD from Salsa | Carytown Bicycle Co.

    Carytown Bikes blog has better close ups and test ride info on Colossal and Warbird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    "Whisky expects a spring 2013 delivery of the forks"
    Missed that part.

    Cheq, didn't know that about the 44s. I'm a cross rider and I'm just catching up on some of this stuff. MTB segment leading the way in innovation, as usual.

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    2013 Sita

    Looks like I found a pic of the new Mamasita. Man, I should have waited.. That gloss white with the blue decals looks nice.. Looks like it still has standard drop outs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rth009 View Post
    "Whisky expects a spring 2013 delivery of the forks"

    Thru the looking glass of Whisky: Thru axles are coming to road,
    Whisky had kind of a hard launch this year, with the death of their first mountain bike and the sudden replacement thereof, and their failure to fill a lot of 2012 orders...so supply is almost certainly a concern.

    That, and ENVE quality is beyond comparison...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger Pride View Post
    I did notice from the one picture that it looks like they changed the cable routing to under the top tube rather than downtube which I think is a great move.
    Didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out. Definitely an improvement. I love my El Mar Ti (and Spearfish)... only gripe so far is the under downtube routing. I am using stick-on guides on the El Mar to route it under the TT just like the new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon View Post
    Hey guys -

    Thanks for all the enthusiasm. As you know, we are a small company of a few people, even though we are inside the big QBP. And because of this, we have limited people-time, especially this time of year. All details and pictures, MSRP, specs and geometry for all models will be up on our website for Eurobike, which is Aug 29th.

    Thanks!
    Cheq, does this apply to components as well? I'm really digg'n on the Ti setback Seatpost in a few of the pics. Will they be available in different sizes?
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    I just got a look at the Ti Warbird this week-end. That is a sturdy bike. Tough. I asked a Salsa employee "What is that thing?". It's really too HD to be considered a road bike. Gravel racer seems to fit perfectly.

    I also think that the move to getting the Ti frames made offshore is not about cost. As some have pointed out, there are several essential supplier responsibilities. Cost is not the only consideration.

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