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    1990-ish Salsa build spec help needed

    Hello fellow vintage MTB weirdos (i love ya!)

    After having been ridden SS for the last few months I have my decided my 1987 Salsa frame is to be returned to a more original spec, partly so that I can hang it on my wall at home and stare longingly at it in all its glory, and partly so I can have a go at riding it how it was destined to be ridden (I was 7 when it was built....). To be honest I have also become a little paranoid about breaking/denting/scratching (I know!) her.

    So, basically, I am looking at some guidance on what stuff she should be wearing if she is to be returned to a close to original spec - I am not anal enough to want it all exact, its a bike, things break, it would be upgraded - but I do want it to look original to say '92 max...

    Thus far I have:

    1987 Salsa Frame (original canary yellow paint and decals, some nasty scratches)
    Bontrager Comp fork (or an IRD Titanium, anodised in '91 by Leni Fried)
    Campagnolo pressed in BB
    Syncros threadset (should I be looking at changing this?)
    older style Syncros seatpost - with the lettering at the back (or Ti version?)
    Salsa quill stem (or McMahon Ti stem?)
    Salsa/3ttt flat bars (silly skinny)
    Clear ATI Bullet grips
    Campagnolo MTN of some description 32 hole hubs laced to (knackered) M231's (may have some NOS 231's available to me)
    Campag skewers
    Topline Cranks (are these later?)
    Royce Ti Crank bolts (english beauties....)
    Flite (black leather - is there any other kind?)
    Hite Rite

    so, I guess what I'm looking for are comments on the above and suggestions for the following: tyres; gearing; Braking; cranks/chainrings; rims; cockpit stuff; other things(maybe?)

    Any help or pointers appreciated, and this isnt a wanted ad, I am just trying to gather information for a summer rebuild project. (I am in the UK by the way, if tahts important, probably not)

    Cheers, Djuc

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    The fork is a really good choice. We built up a lot of Salsas with Bontrager forks.

    Salsa stem!

    Topline cranks are correct if you are looking for a 92ish build. Personally, I never cared much for CNC cranks and liked the original Specialized or Ritchey forged cranks. A first year Suntour Micro Drive would be nice too.

    Other components I would look at:
    Suntour XC Pro 7-speed shifters w/ XC Pro derailleurs
    WTB GG Classic Hubs w/ Suntour Winner 7 speed 13-32 freewheel
    Canti brakes in the rear, I assume? Dia Compe 987 front and rear - again, 987 set up easy unlike the slew of CNC brakes, were light and worked very well. The working man's brake. Use with Dia Compe SS-5 levers. Another option would be Ritchey cantis with Ritchey levers.
    Headset - Chris King threaded
    Tires - Ground Control or Ritchey Z-Max (you can still buy Z-Max new)

    Funny, I just converted my 85 Salsa to SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Funny, I just converted my 85 Salsa to SS.
    Nice looking bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux
    Nice looking bike!
    Thanks laffeaux. It just has the right lines to me. You might also like the choice of chain tensioners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Thanks laffeaux. It just has the right lines to me. You might also like the choice of chain tensioners.
    That is a nice one, and makes the bike seem new in comparision. And it's drilled out too! (nice)

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    Good thing its drilled out. Those Jubilee's are tanks! It is one of the coolest chain tensioners Ive seen though. Those fetch a good amount on ebay you know........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fillet-brazed
    Good thing its drilled out. Those Jubilee's are tanks! It is one of the coolest chain tensioners Ive seen though. Those fetch a good amount on ebay you know........
    Then that means I'd have to break the chain, remove that hunk of aluminum and replace it with one of these POS tensioners - I mean, that's all they are good for anyway.

    But enough about me. This is about Djuc Wun and the help/advice he needs.
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    I thought u had a mavic BB & not campag djuc? 92 a blk flite is fine, earlier than that I'd say go for a blk turbo. (I want 1 as well if you find 1!)

    you interested in my dia compe 986 cantis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scant
    I thought u had a mavic BB & not campag djuc?
    I actually have both now.

    so XC Pro it is then, cool,. I think I have some at home somewhere... what pedals should I be looking for chaps? I sold my xc pro's a few months back (typical!), and use eggbeaters on everything else...

    keep them suggestions coming, nice ride above by the way dude

    Djuc

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    Try getting the XC Pro pedals back again, or the Deore XTs?

    Post a pic of your Salsa dude.

    Nice bikes here, fishy

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    hey lets all get on ere ;D

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    [QUOTE=ssmike]The fork is a really good choice. We built up a lot of Salsas with Bontrager forks.

    Salsa stem!

    Topline cranks are correct if you are looking for a 92ish build. Personally, I never cared much for CNC cranks and liked the original Specialized or Ritchey forged cranks. A first year Suntour Micro Drive would be nice too.

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    ISTR Djuc is in the UK? (like me). NTI were the importers around then.

    Pretty much every salsa I saw (and I saw a lot as the Bonty owners & salsa owners used to ride together for group meets, mag articles etc) at the time was white with the pepper logo, and bonty comp fork. KB and Ross Schaffer seemed to have a bit of a partnership going - KB showing framesets with salsa stems, and Ross showing Frames with Comp forks (Remember that MBA ad?)

    The Mavic groupo would be a nice find.

    I particularly liked the double bar undermount lever - like a modified thumbie rather than a rapid fire type thing. The rear mech I'm thinking of (a bit different to the pic on the thread was very nice.

    Some early CBR cranks, USE / IRD post, Hyperlites, SS7's, Selle Turbo, etc is what I'd be looking for for an "authentic" build.

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    the salsa bar I have is, if i was told correctly, original with the bike, unfortunately I dont have the original stem, but the stem I have is identical except for the roller... and at least I kept the Titanium stem bolt! looks like I'm going for a different post to the syncros then? oh, and what about chainrings? - the toplines I like, but are compact - will anyone notice? ; )

    I would ideally like to do this on a budget, and within 10 weeks! I have a retro meet to go to... so maybe the Mavic stuff is out of the question, I imagine I would be able to get the Suntour XC Pro stuff pretty easily, p'raps

    Cheers, Djuc (yup in England)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuc Wun
    the salsa bar I have is, if i was told correctly, original with the bike
    The 3TTT / Salsa bar was early '90s. Prior to that the alloy Salsa bar was a super thick hunk of aluminum pipe (well, not really, but it was rather thick). There was a crmo Salsa bar as well in the mid '80s that may have been made by True Temper.

    And yes, the early '90s Salsas came with Bontrager forks and Bontragers came with Salsa stems.

    Since you guys (Crell and Djuc Wun) are in the UK, do you remember "Bad News Zine" from the UK? It was put together by Sarah and Gez Jones with contributions by Chipps. It was almost like a Ross Shafer / Keith Bontrager fan club magazine. There were columns by Ross and Keith called "Ask Uncle Ross" and "Ask Uncle Keith" where they would answer questions regarding sexual inadequacy problems etc. Pretty dang funny stuff.

    NTI - that was Bill Nicol, right?

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    scants in the Uk and fishys an honurary brit too!

    I dont remember that magazine, but Chipps has been writing about MTB ing in the UK since about the early 1600's, the dude is British MTB history, see www.singletrackworld.co.uk for Chipps latest work.... the websites good, the mags better.

    It seems a shame to not use the IRD Ti, its P-I-M-P, authenticity is, I guess, the key here though right?

    scant will be along in a moment to tell you all about meeting chipps at some early 90's event or other and drinking his wee or something, he has a million stories like that...

    Ta, Djuc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike

    Since you guys (Crell and Djuc Wun) are in the UK, do you remember "Bad News Zine" from the UK? It was put together by Sarah and Gez Jones with contributions by Chipps. It was almost like a Ross Shafer / Keith Bontrager fan club magazine. There were columns by Ross and Keith called "Ask Uncle Ross" and "Ask Uncle Keith" where they would answer questions regarding sexual inadequacy problems etc. Pretty dang funny stuff.

    NTI - that was Bill Nicol, right?

    My God - I used to write occasional bits for it! I did even write a couple of the "uncle Keith" questions, - for fun of course - the weren't accurate or representative of the "real me"

    Keith & ross were good sports for doing that!

    I could tell you about when we got Scott Nichol pissed ... but that wouldn't be fair.

    I've probably got some old issues around somewhere - and a "bad news" barbed wire sticker on an old Giro Hammerhead!

    I used to ride regualrly with Gez, Sarah & Chips. Greg Fuquay was also a regular.

    NTI was indeed Bill Nicol - So how do you know them (we may have met !)

    Good times!

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    ... and if we just ...

    ....and Ross was a pervert in the nicest sense


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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuc Wun
    scants in the Uk and fishys an honurary brit too!

    I dont remember that magazine, but Chipps has been writing about MTB ing in the UK since about the early 1600's, the dude is British MTB history, see www.singletrackworld.co.uk for Chipps latest work.... the websites good, the mags better.

    It seems a shame to not use the IRD Ti, its P-I-M-P, authenticity is, I guess, the key here though right?

    scant will be along in a moment to tell you all about meeting chipps at some early 90's event or other and drinking his wee or something, he has a million stories like that...

    Ta, Djuc
    LMAO. Chipps used to work for NTI. That's how I first came across him. His first attempts at writing were I think in Bad news - along with mine. He took it a bit more seriously though.

    He was - I can safely say - incompetent
    on a bike - we used to take the piss continually (he drank mine BTW - it wasn't reciprocal )...but a thouroughly nice guy who (importantly) shared the passion for bikes and beer. He's obviously got better over the years - I'll have a look and see what photo's / memorabilia I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crell
    My God - I used to write occasional bits for it! I did even write a couple of the "uncle Keith" questions, - for fun of course - the weren't accurate or representative of the "real me"

    Keith & ross were good sports for doing that!

    I could tell you about when we got Scott Nichol pissed ... but that wouldn't be fair.

    I've probably got some old issues around somewhere - and a "bad news" barbed wire sticker on an old Giro Hammerhead!

    I used to ride regualrly with Gez, Sarah & Chips. Greg Fuquay was also a regular.

    NTI was indeed Bill Nicol - So how do you know them (we may have met !)

    Good times!
    Ross is still a pervert. I named my kid Max after Ross' kid Max. Scot Nicol is still pissed. Bad News Zine is still just as funny today as it was then. You must be Will Hughes with the shrinking foreskin in the last issue (j/k). I briefly met Bill during my days at Pacific Coast Cycles where we sold Bad News. If you visited the shop, we probably met. And, here is my collection of Bad News Zines.
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    crell, make sure you're coming to www.ssmm.co.uk we'll all be there private mail me your mobile no if you like

    djuc, u can buy that salsa bar back off me for 20? ;D

    you need to nake those nokon cables off the salsa djuc, but keep the IRD forks on for ssmm, will be interesting to watch the AMP style fork action

    scant

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    Ross is still a pervert. I named my kid Max after Ross' kid Max. Scot Nicol is still pissed. Bad News Zine is still just as funny today as it was then. You must be Will Hughes with the shrinking foreskin in the last issue (j/k). I briefly met Bill during my days at Pacific Coast Cycles where we sold Bad News. If you visited the shop, we probably met. And, here is my collection of Bad News Zines.
    How did you know i was Will
    Nice collection! I really liked the brown paper top shelf porno mag look. Kind of went well with most of the content. I'm gonna have to go and have a search through the attic.

    Ah - I never worked for NTI - I just spent too much money with them!
    Gez was pretty handy in the Thetford bombholes (as can be seen on the cover). What's good to see is that so many people from around then are still involved in some way. I kinda lost interest in 94/5 and stopped racing and riding, but I'm just starting to get back in to it again.

    ...does anyone know if Fooqster (ex Serrotta ISTR) is still building frames? He built up a Columbus OR bike for a mate - it was a work of art. There's little to nothing about him or his wares on google?

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    djuc/scant - haven't read the whole thread yet but

    i have a pair of butterscotch Tioga Psycho Kevlar (though I think they are both front, but the thread looks like it's ok to run it at the rear too), that have only had one ride - let me know if that's of any interest to you or one of your acquaintances.

    oh and also i think one of you was asking - i have (but not for sale) what i think is a machine tech front bolt-on skewer (black with ti axle, 'bout 20 grams). could take a pic of it (as well as the tires), let me know.

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    Sylvain, interested in the fornt QR, ill pass on the tyres though ta.

    Crell, you have to come down (or is that up?) to ssmm, bring a bike, we prolly aint riding, but we may well be drinking and mocking those people on these here 'new fangled' suspension bikes....

    its a kind of unofficial, official retro meet, there may be 30 people and retro mtbs there, of course all the same, there may be 2.

    I would very much like to see the bad news zines, so if anyone has some scans start a new thread and we can all enjoy them, or you can bring them to ssmm crell?

    cheers chaps, oh, and just to get slightly back on topic, I have found my campag qr's for the salsa..... any chainring reccomendations y'all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuc Wun
    I would very much like to see the bad news zines, so if anyone has some scans start a new thread and we can all enjoy them, or you can bring them to ssmm crell?

    any chainring reccomendations y'all?
    That's a lot of scanning!

    Chainrings - vintage Specialized rings (made by Sugino) were nice. A small stainless steel OnZa Buzz Saw is appropriate. Action Tec ti outer rings. Bio Pace would be a good conversation starter ;-).

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    Salsa build spec.

    That will be a fun build.I bought mine new in 91.Custom spec.I spent so much time dreaming about the parts I can still remember damn near every detail.Some are still on the bike,some are junk.This process has made me want to return mine back to semi original spec.
    Black powder coat with Rasta color "Jelly Beans"
    Blk Syncros post
    Blk Flite saddle
    Salsa Lip Lock binder
    Salsa Stem 135 11 deg,quill.No roller
    True Temper Taperlite bar/Oury grips
    Tange HS
    Bonty Comp fork
    SS5 levers
    LX cantis/Mathausser pads
    Specialized 231? rims/32 hole 3 cross/XT hubs/7 sp
    Rasta color Flip Locks
    XT thumbies/der`s
    Specialized cranks/110 46/36/24
    2.25? Z Max front/2.1 Ground Control Extream rear
    XC Pro pedals with Joe Murry double strap clips
    XT 127.5 bb
    Blackburn cages


    Have fun,Jeff

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    again thanks for the offer of the tyres, but I'll pass.
    Djuc has about 3 complete component choices for the salsa now ;P

    ta

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    Djuc has about 3 complete component choices for the salsa now ;P
    but none of the parts!

    actually, Im sorted with toplines, NOS Bio Pace rings, xc pro rear mech, some NOS 231's and some 986's - have I many other brake lever choices than ss5's - I dont like the feel!

    That sounds sweet Jeff....

    Cheers, Djuc

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    so you dont like SS5s, fair enuff.
    not a lot available even in 91 according to the cambria ad in my july MBA. xt, xc pro, er how about ritchey logic?

    onza ti barends $200, hahhaha, cooks RSRs $225. mad init!

    & yeh the 231s were good for 91 as well roly

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    Quote Originally Posted by scant
    so you dont like SS5s, fair enuff.
    not a lot available even in 91 according to the cambria ad in my july MBA. xt, xc pro, er how about ritchey logic?

    onza ti barends $200, hahhaha, cooks RSRs $225. mad init!

    & yeh the 231s were good for 91 as well roly

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    Ritchey Logic levers w/ Logic canits would be a very nice spec. Not fancy, but a definite solid set of components. Too bad you aren't in the states. I have a new in box set of Logic levers and a used set of Logic cantis. Hmmm, maybe I'll build up a new bike with these parts...I've started with less.

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    SSmike, yeh its so true! I had my Box levers a year before I had a frame to put them on
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by scant
    SSmike, yeh its so true! I had my Box levers a year before I had a frame to put them on
    LOL

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    LOL, the things we do to justify a project.

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    I have a pair of wheels I have been waiting to build a project around for 12 months - shame theres too many other projects in the way

    OK, so, cable hangers - I have some Ringle Mojo's, and some Pauls moon units, but I assume they are newer than '92? so am I using standard ones then?

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    hey djuc

    i remembered there's a mtn bike mag, a british mag, 1990 , w/ a test on the a lacarte somewhere in my pile. it's a feature on ross schaeffer with a brief description of the slasa imported to england.. they write about that zine "bad news" a lot and ross columm. there's a picture of white a la carte decked in all the nice parts being offered.. i remember the bonty fork. as soon as i can i'll scan and post the pic for ya.
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    ... i'm sitting here in front of a 1990 salsa catalogue. the pictured a la carte is build up with complete suntour xc pro groupo (standard bolt pattern) incl. seatpost, se brakes & pedals, salsa stem and cromo bar, bontrager competition composite fork, wheels ?? look like campy atek's, tires farmer johns, avocet saddle.

    ciao
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    ... sorry for the bad quality, i made a picture, no scanner availiable ...
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    N-ice, very nice in fact, mine will look similar - but that must be a very small frame? mines a 15.5" and looks bigger than that!

    look forward to seeing that article colker!

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