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    Ritchey dropouts, but not a Ritchey. What is it?

    Hoping you could help me confirm what make of bike this is and what year it was made.

    Has an interesting little gusset under the headtube.

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    Ritchey dropouts
    White Industries front and rear hubs
    White Industries cranks
    Ritchey frame--what model?? Says "Tami" on top of bb.
    Girvin suspension forks
    MKS Grafight pedals
    Kooka levers

    No stickers or serial number.

    The only thing it says is "Tami" on the top of the bottom bracket. It looks like it was welded in.

    Thanks.
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    That looks like a "Paul Atamio" frame. He built a few in Sacramento Calif. during the 80's heyday. The "Tami" comes from his last name..A-TAMI-O....nice find, there were only about 20-30 of them ever made.

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    Thanks for the great info.

    Do you know where I could find more info abt him?

    I picked this up at a pawn shop!

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    Sorry oldschool, just havin a little fun....pullin your leg. I don't have a clue who built it, but I do like the bike...

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    That head tube gusset is neat. Looks just like the one on my Bontrager. Ritchey dropouts are widely used so don't give much hint of what the bike is.

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    Does the Bontrager only have one gusset? Somce pics I've seen have that type of gusset in that spot and under the top tube.

    Did Bontrager use Ritchey dropouts.

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    I've seen different gusset arrangements on Bontragers. It isn't just the gusset though, it is how it looks, with the half-circle cut outs. However, I'm not Bontrager expert. I've never seen a Bontrager with Ritchey dropouts. Keith made his own.

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    probably

    prob not a Bonty if that is a 1 1/8 HT . . . looks like 1 1/8 from here.

    I've never seen a Bonty with Ritchey drops . . .

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    Is there a way of telling the size of the HT w/o taking it apart?

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    Jamis
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    Hmm. Checked as many Jamis pics as I could find, but the cable routing is much different than mine.

    Do you know what model and year you're thinking.

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    I'm guessing something Canadian...

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    if I had to guess...

    using the gussett as the main indicator the frame very well could be a "non-trager" most likely build by Paul Sadoff (Rock Lobster). Paul on his personal bike almost always used the the unistay for the seat stays (lacking here). However, the gussett does not appear to be welded completely around, which is definitely a Sadoff trait. All the rambling withstanding, does it really matter? The frame appears to be a well made mid nineties frame.

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    I asked Paul @ Rock Lobster for his input and this is his reply.

    I didn't build that frame although it has a couple of features that I have used. It might be a really early tig Salsa a la carte except for the cable routing and the seat slot facing rearward. My guess is that this was built by an employee of either Salsa ( There was a woman working at Salsa named Tami in the 90's who might have been the recipient of this frame)or Sycip in the 1994-1996 era. I remember that I went in on a batch of those gussets with Salsa when they were having them made. I started my own wavy pattern in late 1995 and stopped using the Bontrager style gussets as I really wanted to have my own look. The only other possibility that comes to mind is it could be an Altitude built frame from Jeff Lindsay. Jeff got some investors and started a Kinesis-style manufacturing plant in Chico that never really took off. I went up there to investigate having frames made to replace the Taiwan Experts. I had a couple of prototypes made and they looked like this frame. I don't think I ever welded someone's name into a frame.

    Doesn't nail it down but it does eliminate a couple of possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDXdog
    I'm guessing something Canadian...
    head tube is too short for a canadian frame.
    WTB: Bomber Z2 1 1/8 steerer, in good to excellent shape OR bomber rebuild kit.

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    Mystery Solved?

    Quote Originally Posted by First Flight
    I asked Paul @ Rock Lobster for his input and this is his reply.

    It might be a really early tig Salsa a la carte except for the cable routing and the seat slot facing rearward. My guess is that this was built by an employee of either Salsa ( There was a woman working at Salsa named Tami in the 90's who might have been the recipient of this frame)or Sycip in the 1994-1996 era. I remember that I went in on a batch of those gussets with Salsa when they were having them made.

    Doesn't nail it down but it does eliminate a couple of possibilities.
    Found a link (on mtbr.com) to a Salsa catalog from 1995. On p. 11 it shows a downtube gusset that looks exactly like the one on this frame and a woman named Tami who worked there at the time.

    So, it looks possible that it's an a la carte?

    See p. 11:
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolcolo
    So, it looks possible that it's an a la carte?
    While the links of the gusset and the elusive "Tami" might point towards Salsa, I don't think it's a "Salsa." There would be a serial number that started with "SM" followed by a few numbers if it was a "Salsa." The dropout attachment doesn't look like any Salsa I've ever seen. The following is a photo of one of mine (and all three of my Salsas look the same). The seat cluster also doesn't look like a later ala Carte.

    Lots of folks used Ritchey dropouts and those type of gusset (including me).

    What it could be is an employee made frame. And like VTW said, does it matter?
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    Early 90's Rocky's had short head tubes and used Ritchey drop outs.

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    No, it doesn't matter, but it's interesting to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by ssmike
    And like VTW said, does it matter?
    You know, it's just interesting to know who made it. And the research is interesting. I suppose if it didn't matter, no one, including you, I assume, would put the name of their company on a bike, car, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolcolo
    You know, it's just interesting to know who made it. And the research is interesting. I suppose if it didn't matter, no one, including you, I assume, would put the name of their company on a bike, car, etc.
    A decal is just a decal. Once it's off, it's just another bike. If it rides good, it rides good.

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