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    New Ritchey 29er

    got these off the Ritchey twitter time line...pics from the NAHBS. good looking bike IMO:






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    Wow!, the rigid SS.

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    Sharp! I've been lucky enough to rotate a lot of different bikes through my stable over the years but one I've never been able to get my hands on and have always wanted to try is a Ritchey Plexus.

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    That is indeed good looking. I didn't know Ritchey even made frames... Isn't P-29 what Kona calls their fork or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by max5480
    I didn't know Ritchey even made frames...
    Ritchey got his start as a frame builder. He built the first MTB frames for Gary Fisher and Charlie Kelly back in the day.

    Good to see Ritchey and Breezer with some cool new frames out.

    That bike looks nice. I've always wanted a Ritchey.

    Only complaint is with the rear sliders. Don't want an SS rear end on my geared bike.

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    Yeah I don't know what I was talking about. My friend even rides a Ritchey road bike...

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    Wow that takes me back.

    A little history: back in the day ritchey made a line of bikes that ranged from the supercomp to the made in asia Ultra. He always fielded a race team and once he began the component thing in earnest he pulled out all the stops and made a frame called the P-23 for 23lbs. Which at the time was insanely light for a bike. Light tubes minimalistic details and components was its and Tom Ritchey's mantra. The bike was offered in a red white and blue paint scheme and was campaigned under Frishy among others. Later iterations included the P-21.

    As time passed I think that he segued out of frames mostly focusing on his components.

    I would totally love to have this bike. If it was made by TR then doubly so.
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    Damn!
    "Back in the day..."that was the bike!
    I had the poor man's version, a '96 Tange Prestige Stumpjumper. It was welded in Japan just like the Ritcheys of the day (I believe Mr. Ritchey did the finish work on the fillet brazed ones).

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    Oh man! Nice!!

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    It needs a unicrown fork like the p20





    imo of course.

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    1991 flashback.

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    Are these just one-offs for the display ? Who made them ? Looks very nicely done.

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    I'll have one in XL brazed by Tom himself please.

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    That looks brazed...is Tom actually making frames again (vs having them made in Taiwan like his current frames and Joe Breeze's stuff)?

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    if these are FB by himself... Super Sweet Hope it's not a one off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stahr_Nut
    Sharp! I've been lucky enough to rotate a lot of different bikes through my stable over the years but one I've never been able to get my hands on and have always wanted to try is a Ritchey Plexus.
    I always wanted one too. His swiss cross bike was very intriging too.
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    Sweet...I heard rumors of this. Nice to see it. I think that is TIG'd with thick paint, but I could be wrong.

    That moves to the top of my list for a geared 29er hardtail based purely on emotion and memories of Timbercomps and P23s.

    I love how they kept the color fade. That is where Breezer missed the boat...not having a steel version of the Lightning in 29".
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    for the folks asking about brazed vs. TIG, there are some other pics of what appear to be the unpainted frames here at this link. for some reason i cannot copy those pics:

    https://forums.mtbr.com/**************/user/RitcheyLogic

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    <a href="https://ow.ly/i/8uff" target="_blank"><img src="https://static.ow.ly/photos/normal/8uff.jpg" alt="Owly Images" /></a>
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB2
    <a href="https://ow.ly/i/8uff" target="_blank"><img src="https://static.ow.ly/photos/normal/8uff.jpg" alt="Owly Images" /></a>
    Brazed!
    Very much so...the look of a brazed steel frame is pure delight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster
    for the folks asking about brazed vs. TIG, there are some other pics of what appear to be the unpainted frames here at this link. for some reason i cannot copy those pics:

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    Seriously? Wow. Happy to be wrong in some ways, but I bet these will be $$ frames then.
    Still very nice.

    Ahhh...wait a minute...those pics of the brazed seat tube junction do not match the NAHMBS shots at all...cable guides, pinch bolt, etc. I think maybe there is an error here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Seriously? Wow. Happy to be wrong in some ways, but I bet these will be $$ frames then.
    Still very nice.
    I'm glad they will be. I'll probably never end up with one, but am happy to see the legacy not being diluted

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    the bare photo doesn't seem to be the same frame as those pictured above...cable stop is on the down tube and the said down tube has no bend in it.

    regardless - it's great to see the Ritchey name on a 29er frame. Now bring on the Ritchey Megabites, Z-Maxs, Tom Slick 29ers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    the bare photo doesn't seem to be the same frame as those pictured above...cable stop is on the down tube and the said down tube has no bend in it.

    regardless - it's great to see the Ritchey name on a 29er frame. Now bring on the Ritchey Megabites, Z-Maxs, Tom Slick 29ers!
    Yeppers...ya caught me in mid-edit. Looks different to me. Frankly the TIG makes sense to me marketing wise/price wise.
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    I am very much hoping this is a production fillet brazed Ritchey and not just a show bike. Frankly I doubt that it is, but I'd love one.
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    I thought Ritchey had sold to Specialized back around 1995 or so. For a while Alot of the components on Specialized were Ritchey. Kinda like how Keith Bontrager sold out to Trek and had his parts all over their bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxr-racer
    I thought Ritchey had sold to Specialized back around 1995 or so. For a while Alot of the components on Specialized were Ritchey. Kinda like how Keith Bontrager sold out to Trek and had his parts all over their bikes.
    nope, still an independent company. Specialized sells a lot of bike so it makes sense that Ritchey or any component make might sign some sort of contract to give better pricing in return for getting most of the business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Yeppers...ya caught me in mid-edit. Looks different to me. Frankly the TIG makes sense to me marketing wise/price wise.
    Maybe it's this one:

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    So sick, I really hope these make it to market

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    my next bike

    Will be the P-29er

    Pics are from about a week ago prior to NAHBS.
    I was asked to keep it quite by the guys at Ritchey.
    TR appears to be bringing back the SwissCross too.

    These are my Ritcheys (Chicane and 2 SwissCross's)and as much as I want a Plexus (maybe one day have one) but I really want my main mtb to be more modern.

    I love plexus stays!

    I will have more info on the new offerings Monday. Price point and availablity.
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    So you can confirm they are fillet bikes? Who is producing them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    So you can confirm they are fillet bikes? Who is producing them?
    Yes I can and will.
    I too want to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swisscross
    Yes I can and will.
    I too want to know that.
    More info on the Swisscross too please, I once owned one and it was a fine riding bike but 130 rear spacing and barely enough room for 32C tires was limiting.

    Will the new one have disc tabs (since they are now UCI legal), 135mm spacing, tire clearance for larger tires?

    Thanks

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    My buddy at Ritchey told me he would call me Monday and give me the scoop.
    Will ask any questions you guys want to know.

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    sweet. I like those!
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    found my next bike

    I've been putting off the purchase of my first 29er until I found something that "moved" me. The wait is over, I think. Especially if these are fillet brazed. Looking forward to some more updates and official news - please keep it coming.

    (And, just in case Tom or some Ritchey crew are reading, how about another ST / YBB model??!!!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB2
    Damn!
    "Back in the day..."that was the bike!
    I had the poor man's version, a '96 Tange Prestige Stumpjumper. It was welded in Japan just like the Ritcheys of the day (I believe Mr. Ritchey did the finish work on the fillet brazed ones).
    I had a similar Mongoose version...keep your eye open at the Res., it's still being ridden

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    What about those Syncros tires?

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    very nice.

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    Oooh, the Swiss Cross looks nice.

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    Oh to have a true tom ritchey 29er!
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    in a recent interview with Tom, he said he did all the fillet brazing for all his bikes. so if this is FB'd then, no reason to think otherwise.

    "Furthermore, over the last 38 years, all the fillet-brazed (Ritchey) bikes that were ever built, were 100% done by me."
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    Are some of you seriously questioning whether bike is fillet brazed or not.

    Lets see...... a one off Ritchey frame displayed at NAHBS...

    Hmm.. Yea, that just might be a one off TIGed frame disguised to look fillet brazed by one of the premier fillet brazers in the world to display at NAHBS.....

    Sorry, for being a jerk and trying to steer a little towards the obvious . Hopefully you will research TR a little before seriously considering one of his frames (that he has made himself). I will now leave your forum.....

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    That Ritchey is gorgeous.

    Surprisingly some people don't see the difference between what NAHBS builders are doing and what a factory welder in Asia is doing:

    http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...-views_25.html

    I'm puzzled, and trying to understand his perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer

    Sorry, for being a jerk and trying to steer a little towards the obvious . Hopefully you will research TR a little before seriously considering one of his frames (that he has made himself). I will now leave your forum.....

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    OK so besides what I WILL be shelling out for one of these frame as soon as I find a source, I'd like ONE truly good reason for not owning a frame hand crafted by Mr. Ritchey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcrap
    That Ritchey is gorgeous.

    Surprisingly some people don't see the difference between what NAHBS builders are doing and what a factory welder in Asia is doing:

    http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...-views_25.html

    I'm puzzled, and trying to understand his perspective.
    I didn't say there wasn't a difference, I said it doesn't matter as much to performance as people think. Basically, my rant is about the name "NAHBS" and how Asian made bikes are really no less "hand made" than the NAHBS examples are.

    I've seen a lot of crappy "custom" bikes, and a lot of crappy production bikes, and vice versa.

    That's all I'm going to say here about it. I would encourage you to read through the comments on my blog for a better understanding of the discussion. It doesn't merit my re-telling it all here.
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    Aemmer, I wasn't questioning if these bikes were brazed. I was wondering if production versions were planned, and if so are those to be brazed as well. Clearly the ones at the show are. I would love to purchase a modern brazed Ritchey, irregardless of whether or not Tom himself brazed it. The likelyhood of me getting to own an original brazed Ritchey is slim to none. I'd certainly settle for one of these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    I am very much hoping this is a production fillet brazed Ritchey and not just a show bike. Frankly I doubt that it is, but I'd love one.
    Ben, the Ritchey Twitter feed was showing Tom's fillet work on something new for the past three days. I am betting the likelyhood is very high that he did in fact braze up those 29"ers, but we'll find out soon enough.
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    If the Rich-meister (himself) is actually making frames again, it will be the first time in 3 years I will have any real lust towards a new 29er release. If he does a Plexus version I will really lose my *****.

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    wowzers I have always wanted a P-21 and a SwissCross now here is my chance!
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    Very nice! I wonder why Syncros parts are on the Ritchey frames. Especially the carbon fork. Ritchey has their own carbon for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Bob
    Very nice! I wonder why Syncros parts are on the Ritchey frames. Especially the carbon fork. Ritchey has their own carbon for now.
    I believe that they want to keep the Syncros brand as the premier MTB line of parts and Ritchey as road or other. What I was told, anyway. I have been using a carbon seat post, alu bar and alu stem from Syncros on a new SS ride and it has been solid stuff so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aemmer
    Are some of you seriously questioning whether bike is fillet brazed or not.

    Lets see...... a one off Ritchey frame displayed at NAHBS...

    Hmm.. Yea, that just might be a one off TIGed frame disguised to look fillet brazed by one of the premier fillet brazers in the world to display at NAHBS.....

    Sorry, for being a jerk and trying to steer a little towards the obvious . Hopefully you will research TR a little before seriously considering one of his frames (that he has made himself). I will now leave your forum.....

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    Both the 29er and the SwissCross are delightful bikes. I normally prefer standard headsets, but these machines are just too good-looking to nag about that

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    Quote Originally Posted by moschika
    in a recent interview with Tom, he said he did all the fillet brazing for all his bikes. so if this is FB'd then, no reason to think otherwise.

    "Furthermore, over the last 38 years, all the fillet-brazed (Ritchey) bikes that were ever built, were 100% done by me."
    http://www.xo-1.org/2011/01/tom-ritc...own-words.html
    Great interview!

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    revive the good times... golden age mtb...

    Tom Ritchey is my idol... I guess a great launch from Scott and Ritchey's... a special serie for example...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I didn't say there wasn't a difference, I said it doesn't matter as much to performance as people think. Basically, my rant is about the name "NAHBS" and how Asian made bikes are really no less "hand made" than the NAHBS examples are.

    I've seen a lot of crappy "custom" bikes, and a lot of crappy production bikes, and vice versa.

    That's all I'm going to say here about it. I would encourage you to read through the comments on my blog for a better understanding of the discussion. It doesn't merit my re-telling it all here.
    I can't sign into your website.

    Actually you did say there wasn't a difference. Here is a quote from your post:

    "You know, bicycles are built by highly skilled laborers in Asia. Handbuilt indeed! While they may not sip espresso from an Italian cup, or sport a "soul patch", I really do not see any differences in what they do and what the "Hand built" guys are doing at NAHBS. You might say that the "art" of the bicycle is elevated to a higher degree. Okay, I'll give you that much, but the "art" doesn't make it ride any better.* What is more, the Asian builders have repeatability down pat. Try that with your fancy-pants bamboo tall-bike."
    Quite frankly I find those comments snotty and condescending. I understand your paycheck (and your 29er website) are dependent on large companies that mass produce bicycles, but show some more respect for the small, independent CUSTOM builders out there. They are more than just welders.

    I also read through your comments where you keep telling people they are missing your point. IMO they are getting your point as you wrote it. My advice is to re-read your post and look at the actual words you typed. Just because a person says something is a rant doesn't give them immunity from the consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkje
    I normally prefer standard headsets, but these machines are just too good-looking to nag about that

    +1 regarding the headsets. Actually, if these are as expensive as I fear they'll be, that heaset might be the one thing that keeps me from buying one. I understand that NAHBS is all about showcasing trends (and they do showcase TR's fillet welds nicely), but I want conventional, tried & true on my bike, please - especially one that I'd hope to own for a long time.
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    Ha ha, espresso, soul patch, bamboo tall bike. Thats good stuff.

    Does anyone else appreciate the irony of these comments being taken as snobby?

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    nice

    Nice to see the Ritchey name on a down tube again. A lot of fond memeries after seeing those pics. Talk about inspiring someone to want to ride or open thier wallet. I'd have to have one of these if it were made with a traditional headset.

    Now it Chris Chance would only start welding up 29er's. That would be bless.

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    guitar ted, it's great that you got that discussion going, but i'd like to gently disagree with some of your points.

    1. the name 'hand-made' => focussing on this semantics issue misses the point. I've been working for 20 years in the intersection of product technology and marketing, and even a stubborn guy like me realizes that if a name of a product or service accurately conveys the intended idea, then it is a successful name. Last week I saw an ad for a nearby 'hand-made arts and crafts show'. You and I both know what to expect at a show like that. Is a mass-produced wall clock (from Asia or from South Carolina), with painted decoration, also made 'by hands'? Typically, Yes. But anyone over the age of 10 understands what 'hand-made' means in that context. Check out a similar discussion on 'hand made' Ferrari's here. A car with a hand-welded frame, hand-fitted body, etc, definitely qualifies as hand-made. In this day and age, some people are willing to pay extra for that. In some cases, 'hand made' competes with robot-welded counterparts; in other cases 'hand made' competes with mass produced items in which hands at the factory may be involved. In either case, however, most customers understand the difference, and do not find the term 'hand made' to be misleading.

    2. the performance advantage => you discuss how mass-produced bikes perform comparably to the high priced 'hand made' frames. everyone agrees with that. i have friends who go to NAHBS...none of them think of it as 'wow, going to see the world's highest performance incarnation of DW link rear suspension'. The NAHBS fans see it as an exercise in aesthetics, which can have side benefits in performance (especially years ago, before carbon fiber became the stiffness/lightness/compliance benchmark), but 'performance' is not the main goal per se and I think you've created a straw-man argument there.

    If you look at other industries, and similar types of shows, you'd almost expect them to call it the North American Artisanal Bikes show. Glad they didn't, since that sounds even more like latte-quaffing pretentiousness. 'Hand Made' is a better term here, since a) the intended meaning is well understood by everyone b) it keeps the focus on the building part of it. Bike frames are not a pure exercise in art. Trust me, my family works in the fine arts business. Part of the attraction of bikes to a non-snob like me is that they are very much an example of applied art ... form meets function. Exquisite lugs on a frame, a nicely machined part...the aesthetics are undeniable, at least to us bike geeks, but let's not get pretentious and start treating it as pure art.
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    Hope the new frames goes into production. It was my dream bike in the 90's but I couldn't afford it then. Still struggling now a days but a little bit more earnings to be able to swing on a nice Ritchey frames to the collection.

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    From cyclingnews.com:

    Also coming in August is a new 29" steel hardtail called - what else - the P-29er. Standard features include Ritchey Logic tubing, Paragon sliding dropouts for singlespeed or geared use, a curved down tube for extra fork crown clearance, and the same clever head tube design as on the Swiss Cross. The P-29er is also planned for an August release and suggested retail price is US$999 for the frame only. Claimed projected frame weight is 2,450g (5.4lb).

    And if you have a preference for either of the two paint schemes pictured here, feel free to let Ritchey know - the company is still deciding between the retro-inspired fade and the more modern-looking block design.

    Just to clear any misconceptions, it should also be said that Tom Ritchey the man has never stopped making frames - it's just that since his departure from the mainstream bike market, he's only built frames for close friends and family. Unfortunately, these new frames still won't be built by Tom himself nor will they be fillet brazed as pictured here. Production frames will be TIG welded in Taiwan but even so, we still don't expect that to widely detract from their appeal.

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    The fact that they are made overseas and won't be fillet brazed are deal killers for me.

    It's kind of a crappy deal bringing a hand built gorgeous fillet brazed frame to the NAHBS show to pitch your parts and a production, Asian built, tig welded frame.

    That's exactly what I was worried about. I guessed right.

    No doubt it'll be a good frame, but it's lost almost all of it's appeal right there. I guess not much is different. Same thing the Breezer line did the last year or two.
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    bummer

    I'm still glad to see the Ritchey name on a frame. However I would be more interested if it were hand brazed here in the states.

    I'll continue saving my pennies for an IF. (unless they keep raising prices).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Avenger
    Unfortunately, these new frames still won't be built by Tom himself nor will they be fillet brazed as pictured here. Production frames will be TIG welded in Taiwan but even so, we still don't expect that to widely detract from their appeal.
    COMPLETELY kills it for me. I mean it'll probably have great tubing, and the simple, curved downtube and paragon sliders are nice design details, but you can get any number of equally-nice frames, lovingly hand-made in the U.S.A.(like the true Ritchey frames), for around the same price. If all you want is a bike that reminds you of the golden years of Ritchey, you could paint it red, white and blue, put a decal on it ,and stock it with Ritchey components. Would that be any less honest than a Taiwanese factory doing the same thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Avenger
    And if you have a preference for either of the two paint schemes pictured here, feel free to let Ritchey know - the company is still deciding between the retro-inspired fade and the more modern-looking block design.
    If the entire marketing strategy is to appeal to the sentimentality of older bike geeks, then the answer seems pretty obvious. The retro fade paint job is what most people would actually be buying.

    Sorry to be negative. This thread just really got my hopes up, and then completely dashed them - all in a half day's time. I'm sure there's a market for them though. Just look at all the front-engine, liquid cooled VW beetles and silly looking, plastic Mustangs and Camaros hitting the highways these days.
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    There's something about the looks of a steel hardtail that always makes me pause. Don't know, maybe it's they just look "right," or it's because it what was around when I first got into MTB'ing.

    Too bad the P-29 won't have the hands of the master on it, however, if it's a handmade steel frame that one wants, then I'm sure Chris DeKerf would weld one up for ya'.

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    I don't care where or how it's made.

    It's the design, geometry, and tubing choice that determine how a bike rides.

    Not how and where the tubes are joined.

    If he designed it.....I'd rock it. No matter where it was made. I've used his components for years with good success. Don't see a reason to turn my nose up at this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwb
    I don't care where or how it's made.

    It's the design, geometry, and tubing choice that determine how a bike rides.

    Not how and where the tubes are joined.

    If he designed it.....I'd rock it. No matter where it was made. I've used his components for years with good success. Don't see a reason to turn my nose up at this frame.
    Nothing wrong with being tig welded in Taiwan; many highly regard frames are. But with a MSRP of $995 it is significantly more expensive (Sir9= $850, MCR= $800, Jones= $750, Singular Swift frameset $590).

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    I was hell bent on ownership YESTERDAY.
    Ill stick to my dragon frames with their Taiwanese tig welded 853 Reynolds tubing.
    The ritchey name slapped on a even a nice looking bike means nothing if he didn't braze it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB2
    Nothing wrong with being tig welded in Taiwan; many highly regard frames are. But with a MSRP of $995 it is significantly more expensive (Sir9= $850, MCR= $800, Jones= $750, Singular Swift frameset $590).
    I understand that.

    Doesn't change the fact that where it's TIG'ed has no determination on how it rides. It's either worth the money or it's not. Up to the buyer to decide.

    If I'm willing to spend $850 on a Niner I'd pay a little more for a Ritchey given his history and track record for designing killer bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    Ill stick to my dragon frames with their Taiwanese tig welded 853 Reynolds tubing.
    I'm running an 853 Dragon myself and absolutely love it!


    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    The ritchey name slapped on a even a nice looking bike means nothing if he didn't braze it.
    So ride quality doesn't mean a thing then?

    People need to remember it doesn't matter how well you can braze if the tubes and geometry you select suck. His bikes were successful because of the design. Not how pretty his brazing was.

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    That's a good point, mwb. If they're using the same frame material, and the same designs, why does it matter who wields it? Perhaps the metal craftsmanship will be reflected in the high price, who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwb
    I'm running an 853 Dragon myself and absolutely love it!

    So ride quality doesn't mean a thing then?

    People need to remember it doesn't matter how well you can braze if the tubes and geometry you select suck. His bikes were successful because of the design. Not how pretty his brazing was.
    I'm sure the Taiwanese tig masters can put the bike together to ride nicely based on the ritchey design. I guess what I was trying to say is the thought of having a sweet geo bike assembled by Mr. Ritchey himself produced here in the states would have been my main drive to purchase.
    It would surprise me if a decent welder/ frame builder here in the US couldn't mimic the geometry of the ritchey design in ti.
    That would rate higher in my book than the frame in question.
    Ritchey design touched by Ritchey is a Ritchey.
    Other than that its just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    Ritchey design touched by Ritchey is a Ritchey.
    Other than that its just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas.
    Am I justified?
    Of course you're justified. Each person draws the line where they see it.

    I was just trying to find out where you draw the line since you said it means "notrhing" if he didn't braze it himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsewhere
    I'm sure the Taiwanese tig masters can put the bike together to ride nicely based on the ritchey design. I guess what I was trying to say is the thought of having a sweet geo bike assembled by Mr. Ritchey himself produced here in the states would have been my main drive to purchase.
    It would surprise me if a decent welder/ frame builder here in the US couldn't mimic the geometry of the ritchey design in ti.
    That would rate higher in my book than the frame in question.
    Ritchey design touched by Ritchey is a Ritchey.
    Other than that its just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas.
    Am I justified?
    That seems like a reasonable place to come from. For myself, it really is not that important. For one, I am not a custom frame guy in budget or needs, so it would just be a pretty esoteric reason to have one. I have had several hand brazed steel frames in days gone by and it is just a bike in a practical sense. Emotionally? Depends.

    So since it is likely that, if I am riding steel at all, I will be riding mass produced or at least overseas sourced, TIG'd steel frames for some time to come...in your words " just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas".....then I would just as soon ride something that says Ritchey on it that was designed and spec'd by a master frame builder. For me, that promises to blend a lower price tag with a high performing bike while feeding the emotional part of me too. Winner. Now if it is just a decal and Tom really had little to say about it, then I agree that it would mean pretty much nothing.
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    The P-29er is absolutely gorgeous. I like the swiss cross very much as well. Ritchey pulled out the stops for 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike E.
    Too bad the P-29 won't have the hands of the master on it, however, if it's a handmade steel frame that one wants, then I'm sure Chris DeKerf would weld one up for ya'.
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    Well, I think it's pretty obvious T. Ritchey got the inspiration to do a 29er frame w/horizontal dropouts from me.

    To wit, my old P-21 w/Sub-11 fork ends:



    and my Quiring 29er:



    Scott (Quiring) did the P-21 conversion for me many,many years ago, then built me the 29er frame two years ago. I got the Dupont paint codes from the Ritchey site, and Scott went to work duplicating a classic Ritchey fade. It's an homage, if you will, to one of my all-time favorite bikes and definitely my all-time favorite paint scheme (guess it's obvious which paint job I vote for on the P-29er).

    Great to see Ritchey bringing back some one-piece (i.e., non-Break Away) frames, and especially a mountain frame. Be curious to see geometry specs, when they become available.

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    wowee.

    just found this thread. I too have longed to ride a Ritchey. Even with the overseas build, I will strongly consider the new 29er. My vote, though, would be for a paint scheme a little more classic, like white panels. The only real question now is geometry, I would prefer a more stable bike with longish stays and less steep angles. Can't wait!

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    It's still pretty LAME that Ritchey chose the North American Handmade Bike Show to launch their Taiwanese made frames.

    I know that Tom made these particular frames himself, but c'mon? I'm kinda surprised that Don Walker let them do it.

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    I can't see any point to this headtube/headset arrangement... is there one?

    The only claimed advantages of an integrated headset that make any sort of sense are more weld area for big tubs (not applicable here), allows a lower headset (also N/A here), and maybe microscopically lighter (on a 5.4 pound bike)? Ritchey was known for clever design ideas, but I can't see this as one of them.

    I guess on a steel bike this looks less stupid than a grossly oversized head tube (those make the top tube look like a broomstick poking a beer can) but that's the only advantage I can see for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    So you can confirm they are fillet bikes? Who is producing them?
    From what I gather in circles Tom still builds custom frames for friends. His custom work is fillet braze. The probability that the frames pictured here are Braze is high considering they are at the handmade bike show. However the production frames will be TIG.


    from what I read he has not decided on the paint for the 29er and wants input from customers. feel free to email ritchey your preference.


    What do you think? Retro Fade or Modern block paint as seen in the side by side above? My first impression was fade but the more I look the more I like the block on the SS version in that pic

    Although it may have been mentioned above and I have not read all this thread, I notice the new Swiss Cross will not have curved stays..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    That seems like a reasonable place to come from. For myself, it really is not that important. For one, I am not a custom frame guy in budget or needs, so it would just be a pretty esoteric reason to have one. I have had several hand brazed steel frames in days gone by and it is just a bike in a practical sense. Emotionally? Depends.

    So since it is likely that, if I am riding steel at all, I will be riding mass produced or at least overseas sourced, TIG'd steel frames for some time to come...in your words " just another well designed bike assembled by a mystery man overseas".....then I would just as soon ride something that says Ritchey on it that was designed and spec'd by a master frame builder. For me, that promises to blend a lower price tag with a high performing bike while feeding the emotional part of me too. Winner. Now if it is just a decal and Tom really had little to say about it, then I agree that it would mean pretty much nothing.


    Would really like to look at Ricthie for a first cross bike (first steel bike, for that matter).

    Plus 1 for the fade paint as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    I can't see any point to this headtube/headset arrangement... is there one?

    The only claimed advantages of an integrated headset that make any sort of sense are more weld area for big tubs (not applicable here), allows a lower headset (also N/A here), and maybe microscopically lighter (on a 5.4 pound bike)? Ritchey was known for clever design ideas, but I can't see this as one of them.

    I guess on a steel bike this looks less stupid than a grossly oversized head tube (those make the top tube look like a broomstick poking a beer can) but that's the only advantage I can see for it.

    there is a good chance it has to do with a theory he might have regarding steel welds at that joint... but I am guessing
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    Quote Originally Posted by swisscross
    Will be the P-29er

    Pics are from about a week ago prior to NAHBS.
    I was asked to keep it quite by the guys at Ritchey.
    TR appears to be bringing back the SwissCross too.

    These are my Ritcheys (Chicane and 2 SwissCross's)and as much as I want a Plexus (maybe one day have one) but I really want my main mtb to be more modern.

    I love plexus stays!

    I will have more info on the new offerings Monday. Price point and availablity.
    great pics.
    Is that a 100mm fork?

    what is the word on which paint they will go with for production? the retro fade in your shot or the block type on the SS?
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    I only wish you could order any paint scheme.
    I want a salmon one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy
    Seriously? Wow. Happy to be wrong in some ways, but I bet these will be $$ frames then.
    Still very nice.

    Ahhh...wait a minute...those pics of the brazed seat tube junction do not match the NAHMBS shots at all...cable guides, pinch bolt, etc. I think maybe there is an error here.

    that looks more like the Swiss Cross fastback design in that post that you are referring too not the 29
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    It's still pretty LAME that Ritchey chose the North American Handmade Bike Show to launch their Taiwanese made frames.

    I know that Tom made these particular frames himself, but c'mon? I'm kinda surprised that Don Walker let them do it.
    I don't think Don Walker has the balls to tell Tom Ritchey that he couldn't launch his bikes in his show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    great pics.
    Is that a 100mm fork?

    what is the word on which paint they will go with for production? the retro fade in your shot or the block type on the SS?
    I talked to Tom a bit, and they're still undecided on the final paint, but the general consensus at the show was to go fade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    It's still pretty LAME that Ritchey chose the North American Handmade Bike Show to launch their Taiwanese made frames.

    I know that Tom made these particular frames himself, but c'mon? I'm kinda surprised that Don Walker let them do it.

    here we go with name dropping and chest beating all in the name of segregating the industry

    so in the know you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    here we go with name dropping and chest beating all in the name of segregating the industry

    so in the know you
    I'm not in the know at all. The info has been posted here and a bunch of other sites.

    How many times do you think the Ritchey people at the booth had to explain to excited folks that the bikes they were looking at were only for "family and friends" (their words not mine) and that the real frames would be from overseas and TIG welded?

    I bet alot of people were disappointed in that answer considering they were at the North American Handmade Bike Show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    I'm not in the know at all. The info has been posted here and a bunch of other sites.

    How many times do you think the Ritchey people at the booth had to explain to excited folks that the bikes they were looking at were only for "family and friends" (their words not mine) and that the real frames would be from overseas and TIG welded?

    I bet alot of people were disappointed in that answer considering they were at the North American Handmade Bike Show.
    How many times do you think they have to explain to MTBR posters that this is indeed a business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    How many times do you think they have to explain to MTBR posters that this is indeed a business.
    And since this is a business we're going to disregard the reason for having this particular bike show in the first place?

    Sea Otter would have been a more appropriate venue to launch these frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    And since this is a business we're going to disregard the reason for having this particular bike show in the first place?

    Sea Otter would have been a more appropriate venue to launch these frames.
    I would agree if the entire line was going to be built over seas.
    My understanding is that Tom is considering doing a limited number of brazed frames for the general market.
    Very similar to the late 80's early 90's when you could order a TR brazed one for an upcharge.

    If this idea/plan does fall through I am in complete agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJones
    And since this is a business we're going to disregard the reason for having this particular bike show in the first place?

    Sea Otter would have been a more appropriate venue to launch these frames.

    you live in this moral illusion that there is some sort of standard here. yours perhaps?


    you don't think Tom ritchey has the right to put his bikes anywhere he damn well pleases and the show organizers don't feel the same? Don't compare him to Gary fisher. This is no sell out


    bottom line. Ritchey still makes bikes by hand, theses frames at the show were hand brazed. the fact that he will make them affordable to the market place with out compromise to performance is worthy and in my humble opinion all the more reason to put them in there at the show. since you are in the business of reading into things allow me to do the same: it is perfectly appropriate for them to be there because the bike will be ridden and not hanging in a shop or your garage to look at. perhaps it is a statement

    handmade bike shows are for expanding technology into the industry as much as they are a museum of bikes that will never be sold

    get over it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike Turner
    you live in this moral illusion that there is some sort of standard here. yours perhaps?

    you don't think Tom ritchey has the right to put his bikes anywhere he damn well pleases and the show organizers don't feel the same? Don't compare him to Gary fisher. This is no sell out

    bottom line. Ritchey still makes bikes by hand, theses frames at the show were hand brazed. the fact that he will make them affordable to the market place with out compromise to performance is worthy and in my humble opinion all the more reason to put them in there at the show. since you are in the business of reading into things allow me to do the same: it is perfectly appropriate for them to be there because the bike will be ridden and not hanging in a shop or your garage to look at. perhaps it is a statement

    handmade bike shows are for expanding technology into the industry as much as they are a museum of bikes that will never be sold

    get over it
    Moral illusion? My standards? Reading into things?

    Re-read some of your own posts.

    I have a right to my opinion too. A bunch of people agree with me both here and elsewhere, but you seem to have only picked my posts to respond to.

    So no, I will not "get over it".

    What I will get over is this thread.

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    While I'm bummed that these production frames took attention away from some of the builders, I still want one. And I think that Ritchey's presence there may have been more as a component supplier.
    It was nice to see some of his handiwork again, even if it's not available.

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    Looks like an awesome bike. The only seriously embarrassing thing about it is that it doesn't have Ritchey tires on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlowBoy
    Looks like an awesome bike. The only seriously embarrassing thing about it is that it doesn't have Ritchey tires on it.
    it kinda does, since Syncros is a division of Ritchey

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    Yup. As someone earlier in this thread pointed out, it appears that Ritchey parts will be road and 'cross, Syncros for off road.
    So much for a 29" Z-Max...

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    Just want to point out that gary Fisher is not a bike builder so not sure what he would do if he didnt "sell out"
    I dont see what is the problem here TR brought some handbuilt bikes to the hand built show and if enough people want to buy them he will do a production run somewhere where the labor is cheap enough so that 99% of the people on this site wont complain about how much they cost.
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    My desire for one of these has not abated.

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    Hmm... A P-29er with Plexus style seatstays? Now that would be rad!
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    I need a P-29er to go with my P-21. Haven't jumped on the 29 wagon yet, but can't wait until the P-29er is available whether it is Tig'd or Filet Brazed.
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    any word when the P-29 will be available?

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    I just spun over to the Ritchey site to see if they had any more information on their 29" er frame or tires. Nothing. While this bike made it's debut at the February 2011 NAHBS show in Austin and reappeared at the Sea Otter in April 2011 how hard is it to update your website? Lame. Even their news and blog posts are moths out of date. Doubly lame. Granted, I still hold out for a 29" version of the Z -Max Classic in a 2.35 but at the same token I'm not going to hold my breath.

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    All I can say is wow. I have always been a Ritchey fan and the new Red/White/Blue 29ers look incredible to say the least.

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    I don't think this is made in Ritchey factory. They may use a frame builder. Did it say TW or China?

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    At that price point it's probably done off shore. I think TR did do the show bikes, however.

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    Any news on the availability date?

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    I was told end of November for us in the uk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheng Lee View Post
    I don't think this is made in Ritchey factory. They may use a frame builder. Did it say TW or China?
    The production frames are made in Taiwan. The frames that we've had at NAHBS and Sea Otter were handmade by Tom Ritchey.

    They're scheduled to be available in November. Preorder if you're interested as our initial supply is limited.

    Our website is now updated with the P-29er as well.
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    Woohoo! Finally, a Ritchey 29'er!! I'm still not a huge fan of the bent downtubes but I understand why they do it. It's just not my favorite part of the design. However.... they are sweet. Hopefully, he'll steer clear of sliders at some point and come up with something else for chain tension for us singlespeeders out in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    Woohoo! Finally, a Ritchey 29'er!! I'm still not a huge fan of the bent downtubes but I understand why they do it. It's just not my favorite part of the design. However.... they are sweet. Hopefully, he'll steer clear of sliders at some point and come up with something else for chain tension for us singlespeeders out in the world.
    Come on...pics or it did not happen.

    edit---thougth you meant you got one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    The production frames are made in Taiwan. The frames that we've had at NAHBS and Sea Otter were handmade by Tom Ritchey.

    They're scheduled to be available in November. Preorder if you're interested as our initial supply is limited.

    Our website is now updated with the P-29er as well.

    Apologize I must be blind, where on the website are the frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    Apologize I must be blind, where on the website are the frames?
    The exact page he linked to... those are the frames, they just have parts on them for the photos

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    He he, well kind of. If I use his link, the website automatically detects that I am from outside of the US and is not displaying the „frames“ section, only if I choose US manually it does the trick...
    Now I can see them, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    He he, well kind of. If I use his link, the website automatically detects that I am from outside of the US and is not displaying the „frames“ section, only if I choose US manually it does the trick...
    Now I can see them, thanks!
    Ah, I see. Sorry for assuming

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    Woohoo! Finally, a Ritchey 29'er!! I'm still not a huge fan of the bent downtubes but I understand why they do it. It's just not my favorite part of the design. However.... they are sweet. Hopefully, he'll steer clear of sliders at some point and come up with something else for chain tension for us singlespeeders out in the world.
    Check out the way Yeti do it on there current DJ and Bigtop...Can't believe it isn't on every bike. Out of control good!

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    ritchey-dave, are you guys still expecting P-29 and Swiss Cross frames to start shipping this month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat View Post
    ritchey-dave, are you guys still expecting P-29 and Swiss Cross frames to start shipping this month?
    There was a small delay. They'll be here mid December. It'll be worth the wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    There was a small delay. They'll be here mid December. It'll be worth the wait.
    do you know if the frame will be available w different paint schemes/colors in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    do you know if the frame will be available w different paint schemes/colors in the future?
    Yes, we'll be trying out some different looks in the future, however there's nothing for sure yet.
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    Any word when the frames will arrive from Asia?

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    Unfortunately there was some delays with the P-29er and they won't be here for another month.
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    What's the best way to order one of these? Any authorized dealer that sells "Ritchey" stuff? Honestly, I have a feeling they would look at me funny if I asked them about it.

    And, it's been a month! Are they available?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryanus View Post
    What's the best way to order one of these? Any authorized dealer that sells "Ritchey" stuff? Honestly, I have a feeling they would look at me funny if I asked them about it.

    And, it's been a month! Are they available?!
    You can find a dealer near you at : Ritchey Logic

    Also you can order one through Excel Sports. They don't have it on their website yet but they will and I'm sure you could preorder it as well.

    We're still waiting for them to arrive, they should be here very soon, hold tight. It'll be worth it.
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    Ritchey_Dave,

    Are there any details avaialable that aren't shown on the Ritchey Logic site, that might help someone decide whether or not to jump-in with a pre-order?

    How about critical geometry details like standover height and effective top-tube length, for instance?

    How about cable routing / cable stop details? (I personally have no interest in a single-speed setup, but the the idea of using the sliding dropout to facilitate a Rohloff drivetrain is intriguing. The cable routing may preclude that, however.)

    How about details and prices for the necessary drop-in headsets. Nothing shows up on the site.

    Finally, is the following quote correct? If so, how do we find out more?

    Quote Originally Posted by swisscross View Post
    My understanding is that Tom is considering doing a limited number of brazed frames for the general market.
    Very similar to the late 80's early 90's when you could order a TR brazed one for an upcharge.
    Thanks for any info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamkeith View Post
    Ritchey_Dave,

    Are there any details avaialable that aren't shown on the Ritchey Logic site, that might help someone decide whether or not to jump-in with a pre-order?

    How about critical geometry details like standover height and effective top-tube length, for instance?

    How about cable routing / cable stop details? (I personally have no interest in a single-speed setup, but the the idea of using the sliding dropout to facilitate a Rohloff drivetrain is intriguing. The cable routing may preclude that, however.)

    How about details and prices for the necessary drop-in headsets. Nothing shows up on the site.

    Finally, is the following quote correct? If so, how do we find out more?



    Thanks for any info!

    How about critical geometry details like standover height and effective top-tube length, for instance?

    Standover height is not listed as this varies as a measure of fit based on what parts are used to build up the frame. Effective top-tube is listed under the frame geometry, click on the "tech" tab on the top right of the P-29er page. Other elements of fit can be determined from that chart.


    How about cable routing / cable stop details? (I personally have no interest in a single-speed setup, but the the idea of using the sliding dropout to facilitate a Rohloff drivetrain is intriguing. The cable routing may preclude that, however.)

    The cable routing is setup to accommodate standard geared configurations or single speed. We haven't had a chance to played around with a Rohloff drivetrain on a P-29er, I'd check with them on how to incorporate their drivetrain into a standard cable routing setup with sliding dropouts. There's nothing really quirky about our setup so they should have a good understanding of it.


    How about details and prices for the necessary drop-in headsets. Nothing shows up on the site.

    The frames use 1 1/8", 41.8 bearings.
    The Ritchey WCS Logic Zero headsets ($59.95) will work with the P-29er.


    Finally, is the following quote correct? If so, how do we find out more?

    It's being discussed but there are no solidified plans at the moment. More information will be posted on the Ritchey website as things become more concrete.
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    A review of the new Ritchey P29er frame. Thoughts on the Ritchey P-29er by Anton Bosman of Summit Cycles, South Africa

    Copy and paste bellow quote into YouTube search:
    Ritchey P29er Review 2012
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    Quote Originally Posted by speek View Post
    A review of the new Ritchey P29er frame. Thoughts on the Ritchey P-29er by Anton Bosman of Summit Cycles, South Africa

    Copy and paste bellow quote into YouTube search:

    I'm unable to post the direct link as this is my 1st post here PS: To be able to post links or images your post count must be 10 or greater. Currently I have 0 posts.
    Thanks for that!

    Ritchey P29er Review 2012.mov - YouTube

    Great review. First shipment of these babies arrive in our warehouse 2/15 and are already sold out! Make sure you get dibs on one at a store near you.
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    I read an european review about 3 months ago... too long to translate, but they made those points:

    - Large frame, has reach and stack similar to 17.5 inches "modern" hardtails
    - Very comfortable and natural
    - Not a fast bike
    - Little heavy
    - Very good traction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    I read an european review about 3 months ago... too long to translate, but they made those points:

    - Large frame, has reach and stack similar to 17.5 inches "modern" hardtails
    - Very comfortable and natural
    - Not a fast bike
    - Little heavy
    - Very good traction
    Funny... as an expat living in Europe I find that the majority of local 29'er reviews say "not a fast bike" until they start doing 'real world' riding. Then, it seems things get really fast.

    If only it had an EBB or swingers. :-(

    In any case, I'm really looking forward to seeing one and maybe swinging a leg over one. Spoke to a guy the other night who has an old P21. Jealous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed View Post
    Funny... as an expat living in Europe I find that the majority of local 29'er reviews say "not a fast bike" until they start doing 'real world' riding. Then, it seems things get really fast.

    If only it had an EBB or swingers. :-(

    In any case, I'm really looking forward to seeing one and maybe swinging a leg over one. Spoke to a guy the other night who has an old P21. Jealous!
    The review is comparing the bike to other 29ers out there, exp carbon fiber frames. It said "not as fast as a lightweight 29er". It can go fast. Just not a racing bike.

    Do not compare the p-29 to older p series. The p-21 was created as a racing bike and possibly one of the fastest/lighter frame when it was conceived.
    The p-29 seems to be the idea of the marketing department. I would expect a good, possibly great bike. But no glory.

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    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.

    It would be great to know what the rest of the guys at Ritchey think of it.

    Posted elsewhere but just for pleasure again :-)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 20niner View Post
    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.

    It would be great to know what the rest of the guys at Ritchey think of it.

    Posted elsewhere but just for pleasure again :-)
    We loved the review and were blown away by the quality of filming and depth of knowledge of the reviewer. Truly a complement to see that the passion we put into our products can be translated to the end user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    We loved the review and were blown away by the quality of filming and depth of knowledge of the reviewer. Truly a complement to see that the passion we put into our products can be translated to the end user.
    Many thanks Dave, glad you enjoyed it

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20niner View Post
    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.
    As soon as my P-29er land on local soil I promise to ride more often I'll even consider riding with a Handlebar Mustache every time I ride it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machianera View Post
    The review is comparing the bike to other 29ers out there, exp carbon fiber frames. It said "not as fast as a lightweight 29er". It can go fast. Just not a racing bike.

    Do not compare the p-29 to older p series. The p-21 was created as a racing bike and possibly one of the fastest/lighter frame when it was conceived.
    The p-29 seems to be the idea of the marketing department. I would expect a good, possibly great bike. But no glory.
    Here's a pic of one of our sponsored riders, Kurt Wolfgang, on his way to placing 1st in the Cat 1s this weekend at the CCCX XC Race in Monterey California aboard one of our new P-29ers.



    I think he'd beg to differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20niner View Post
    The bike in question here is mine, speek is my regular riding buddy, he has ordered a frame as well as the guy who filmed and edited the clip.
    It was a pleasure to be able to put this together for such an awesome bike from such a great company.

    It would be great to know what the rest of the guys at Ritchey think of it.

    Posted elsewhere but just for pleasure again :-)
    Wow, that looks marvelous!
    Get off the couch and ride! :)

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    Hi,
    any feedback on the reliability of the sliders? Any comments about them?
    Sorry to ask, I do not have in depth experiences with sliders, but I stumbled across several posts about various slider drop outs and it seems there are big differences.
    Some people complain about loosing themselves from time to time, and I was wondering if the system used by Ritchey is a „well known“ and established one...
    Thanks a lot in advance for feedback, and please no offense!

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    I talked to Mark Norstad of Paragon Machine Works a while ago and Mark said the majority of the issues found in slider drops is due to poor quality control from Chinese and Taiwanese knockoffs. The tolerances are sloppy and the nut and bolt assemblies are sub par. I suppose that's one more incentive to buy an American made frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacemonkey View Post
    I talked to Mark Norstad of Paragon Machine Works a while ago and Mark said the majority of the issues found in slider drops is due to poor quality control from Chinese and Taiwanese knockoffs. The tolerances are sloppy and the nut and bolt assemblies are sub par. I suppose that's one more incentive to buy an American made frame.
    No problem with the Ritchey,
    The Tange dropouts are top quality and with over 2000 km's on the bike, I have not had a moments trouble to date.
    The quality is top shelf.


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    Another one:
    Anyone know how Ritchey has measured the 70 degree head tube angle?
    Which fork length was been used?
    I assume 100mm, but compressed with sag (around??? 20mm?) or not?

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    Sweet looking drops

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    Another one:
    Anyone know how Ritchey has measured the 70 degree head tube angle?
    Which fork length was been used?
    I assume 100mm, but compressed with sag (around??? 20mm?) or not?
    The 70 degrees refers to the the angle of the headtube in relation to the floor with a 100mm travel fork installed. No sag or compression taken into consideration.
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    Just got my 19" frame yesterday. Welds look smooth and even. Sliding drops look good too. Now all I need is a red reba...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrouSS View Post
    Just got my 19" frame yesterday. Welds look smooth and even. Sliding drops look good too. Now all I need is a red reba...
    Nice! Make sure you let MTBR know what you think.
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    Ritchey Dave,

    I live in Arizona, my friend and I pre-ordered P-29er's in November, any idea when we can expect those to arrive?

    This will be my fourth Ritchey, and my first 29er, so I am really looking forward to it's arrival. Currently still "rockin" my late 90's Plexus, which is a great bike, but she's ready to retire from my every day bike. A group of guy's I recently started with were amused when I first showed up on it, now they are pretty amazed at how well my "old road bike" performs

    Any info would be great !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad jack View Post
    Ritchey Dave,

    I live in Arizona, my friend and I pre-ordered P-29er's in November, any idea when we can expect those to arrive?

    This will be my fourth Ritchey, and my first 29er, so I am really looking forward to it's arrival. Currently still "rockin" my late 90's Plexus, which is a great bike, but she's ready to retire from my every day bike. A group of guy's I recently started with were amused when I first showed up on it, now they are pretty amazed at how well my "old road bike" performs

    Any info would be great !
    Those older Ritchey frames can definitely hang with best of them today. The Plexus is one of my favorite Ritchey frames ever.

    Where did you preorder your P-29er from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post

    Where did you preorder your P-29er from?
    Sultana Cycles in Cottinwood Az. Shop was told 21" for my buddy is avaliable, but my 19" is not

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    We had a real short shipment of the 19s unfortunately. They have one on order for you, but it'll be on our next shipment which should be arriving any minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    We had a real short shipment of the 19s unfortunately. They have one on order for you, but it'll be on our next shipment which should be arriving any minute.
    YES

    I appreciate you looking into this for me, and looking forward to it's arrival

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    No problem, new bike anticipation can be painful. Rest assured it's almost over, and it'll be worth the wait.
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    The "Eagle has landed"

    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    No problem, new bike anticipation can be painful. Rest assured it's almost over, and it'll be worth the wait.
    Frame arrived this afternoon,I haven't seen it yet,but I wanted to thank you for your time, and customer service on this matter. I appreciate all that you and any others have done to make it happen.

    Due to a recent work obligation, I won't be able to complete my build for 5-6 weeks, but when do, I will be sure to post info on the build, and ride. Can't wait, and again, thanks!

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    Just got done with my build and absolutely love the bike. I have already posted this bike with multiple pictures in the 29er forums and the SS forum...however, seems appropriate to post it here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by redvtwin2 View Post
    Just got done with my build and absolutely love the bike. I have already posted this bike with multiple pictures in the 29er forums and the SS forum...however, seems appropriate to post it here:
    Sweet! The pic didn't come through though.
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    here is my little one

    best of the best, thank you Mr. Ritchey
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    Does anyone know the specs on the bottom bracket shell? Is it english threaded? 68mm?

    I have a NOS Logic compact crankset and NOS Ritchey Ti 120mm bottom bracket in my parts bin. It would be cool to go a little retro in my build if I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryanus View Post
    Does anyone know the specs on the bottom bracket shell? Is it english threaded? 68mm?

    I have a NOS Logic compact crankset and NOS Ritchey Ti 120mm bottom bracket in my parts bin. It would be cool to go a little retro in my build if I can.
    Correct. It's english and 68 mm.

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    My ride:




    still waiting for red V5 pedals, silver instead if white cables, titanium retro style stem, Ritchey saddle.
    Custom stem will be painted red to match the frame and the fork will be painted white (top) and blue (bottom) according to the Ritchey P-series racers from the nineties.

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    Hey guys this is my first post I just recently joined the forum. I am looking to build my first 29er and really excited about the ritchey. For those of you who have built your bike I am hoping you can help. I am 5ft 10 with a 30 inch inseam should I buy the the large or medium frame.

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    Medium

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    I would recommend medium one, I am 6 ft with 32 inseam and ride large one.

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    Thanks for the insight I am located in Ohio and having a hard time finding one in stock called a couple lbs and they are checking into ordering one if not I reached a place down in Texas that would be able to hook me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red13 View Post
    Thanks for the insight I am located in Ohio and having a hard time finding one in stock called a couple lbs and they are checking into ordering one if not I reached a place down in Texas that would be able to hook me up.
    I just finished my build about a week ago, and I'm loving it! Like you, this is my 1st 29er, and I am very impressed with the Ritchey frame, and the bigger wheels! This is my 4th Ritchey, but I would say my best ever!

    Mine is a large, and complete build, without pedals was 22.5lbs. I would send pictures
    if I could figure out how. Any ways, great bike, and I believe I know where to get a med
    in Arizona. Good luck.

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    Nice bad jack need to see some eye candy! Talked to a dealer in western P.A. and he is going to be able order me one. It probably will not be here to July but that gives me time to think about and purchase some of the components. Did you go geared or SS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red13 View Post
    Nice bad jack need to see some eye candy! Talked to a dealer in western P.A. and he is going to be able order me one. It probably will not be here to July but that gives me time to think about and purchase some of the components. Did you go geared or SS?
    2x10 sram. First time on 2x10,was somewhat concerned about the low gearing for climbing, but works great. First ride did 5000' of climbing, had pleanty of gearing.

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    36/22 or other combi you are using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by omega1848 View Post
    36/22 or other combi you are using?
    39x22. I found that when I was in 1st, 2nd, etc on my 3x9, I am able to do the same on the 2x10. I have to admit though, I do miss the big ring of the 3x9, you don't. seem to be able to get up to speed as quick on 2x10, but have only used for a week, so may have to get better planing ahead? Time will tell, but no regrets. yet......

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    HI Ritchey Dave,
    The Ritchey P29 mentions the steel as "Ritchey Logic II steel"...do you know anything more about this steel and how it compares to Reynolds 853?

    Thanks for your insight!

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    Any plans for a P29 with standard, fixed dropouts?
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    Lovely, I would like to get one of these for bikepacking and long xc rides. Guess I will have to spraypaint it flat black for my trans-Asia trip or risk having stones tossed at me.

    more stones than usual, I mean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by red bank rider View Post
    HI Ritchey Dave,
    The Ritchey P29 mentions the steel as "Ritchey Logic II steel"...do you know anything more about this steel and how it compares to Reynolds 853?

    Thanks for your insight!
    Reynolds 853 is an air-hardened, triple butted steel alloy with impressive strength properties. It’s a high quality tubeset but unfortunately somewhat limited in diameters, wall thicknesses and butting profiles, which in some applications and frame sizes, can limit a framebuilder’s design options when seeking to optimize stiffness and weight.

    For the P-29 and SwissCross, we considered several standard tubing suppliers like Reynolds but instead chose to develop our own heat-treated, seamless triple-butted steel alloy to the precise wall thicknesses, tubing diameters and butting profiles, specifically designed for TIG welding. Tom Ritchey has a long history of tubing development and he found this was the best way to achieve the ride quality, weight, durability and price he intended for these frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    Any plans for a P29 with standard, fixed dropouts?
    We've talked about it but have been generally pretty happy with the current configuration and it's versatility. It's a subject of ongoing debate and we might come around with something as our success in frames grows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ritchey_dave View Post
    We've talked about it but have been generally pretty happy with the current configuration and it's versatility. It's a subject of ongoing debate and we might come around with something as our success in frames grows.
    Make one with fixed dropouts and a 44mm headtube, and I'd be all over that mess.

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    Finally Complete

    Thanks Tom, it was worth the wait for this frame

    And thanks for the advice and communication Ritchey Dave.

    Looking forward to a long relationship with this one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Learner View Post
    Thanks Tom, it was worth the wait for this frame

    And thanks for the advice and communication Ritchey Dave.

    Looking forward to a long relationship with this one!

    Wow, that is such a sweet SS ride. I might have to build one up.

    BTW, is your front tire mounted backwards?
    Enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dean Learner View Post
    Thanks Tom, it was worth the wait for this frame

    And thanks for the advice and communication Ritchey Dave.

    Looking forward to a long relationship with this one!
    Love those blinglespeeds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RCMTB View Post
    BTW, is your front tire mounted backwards?
    You made me to go check, the tread certainly makes you think so but no I did install it correctly (surprisingly in my sleep deprived state!!).

    If it was on backwards I was going to reverse the tyres on my other bikes as the traction was superb!

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    wowwww

    Just love that frame so bad!!!

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    How stiff is the P-29 during peddaling? And has anyone ridden one on step technical descents? Some say it's a "racey" layout but the 70 degree HA seems like it might do well on rocky steeps? Anyone have any experience riding it on those types of trails? I'm in So Cal and we have a lot of those. Thanks.

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    I've got several hundred miles on my P-29er so far in the Rocky Mountains. It's been a fantastic bike. Laterally stiff, but still pretty comfy. I wouldn't exactly say that this bike is made for steep and tech descents, but it's damn capable for the xc bike that it is. That said, I just raced the B68 in Breckenridge this past weekend on the Ritchey. Despite my slow climbing and mid pack finish, I did not once get passed on a descent. In fact, that's about the only place I did any passing I played around with cockpit setup quite a bit to get this bike to my liking. Once I got 'er dialed in, the thing rocks! I'd feel comfortable taking it down anything we've got in our area, and there's plenty of steep and tech gnarly around these parts.
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    Hi Ritchey Dave - I have a quick question,

    Have just seen some pics of the new P-275 (bikerumor website... prototype?) and it looks truly fantastic! I want to eventually pull the trigger on a P-29 but the thing that immediately struck me about the P-275 is the curve added to the seatstays - It looks beautiful, seems like it could add a little compliance, simplify the frame and reduce weight a bit. All good points for those of us who want a sweet steel hardtail and don't plan to ever go SS. The article suggested this was done based on the majority of P-29 buyers using gears but I've seen your comment above from earlier this year suggesting that Ritchey may not go that direction.

    Any movement from that position? Would absolutely love to see that design worked into the P-29 & that would definitely seal the deal for me.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck D View Post
    Hi Ritchey Dave - I have a quick question,

    Have just seen some pics of the new P-275 (bikerumor website... prototype?) and it looks truly fantastic! I want to eventually pull the trigger on a P-29 but the thing that immediately struck me about the P-275 is the curve added to the seatstays - It looks beautiful, seems like it could add a little compliance, simplify the frame and reduce weight a bit. All good points for those of us who want a sweet steel hardtail and don't plan to ever go SS. The article suggested this was done based on the majority of P-29 buyers using gears but I've seen your comment above from earlier this year suggesting that Ritchey may not go that direction.

    Any movement from that position? Would absolutely love to see that design worked into the P-29 & that would definitely seal the deal for me.

    Thanks!
    The article states that the seatstay bend is to clear the brake caliper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus View Post
    The article states that the seatstay bend is to clear the brake caliper.
    Either way, it's an elegant solution.

    Good to see Ritchey making a few stunning MTB frames! Keep 'em coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck D View Post
    Hi Ritchey Dave - I have a quick question,

    Have just seen some pics of the new P-275 (bikerumor website... prototype?) and it looks truly fantastic! I want to eventually pull the trigger on a P-29 but the thing that immediately struck me about the P-275 is the curve added to the seatstays - It looks beautiful, seems like it could add a little compliance, simplify the frame and reduce weight a bit. All good points for those of us who want a sweet steel hardtail and don't plan to ever go SS. The article suggested this was done based on the majority of P-29 buyers using gears but I've seen your comment above from earlier this year suggesting that Ritchey may not go that direction.

    Any movement from that position? Would absolutely love to see that design worked into the P-29 & that would definitely seal the deal for me.

    Thanks!
    Great question.

    The P-29er received slider dropouts due to the already-strong popularity of singlespeed 29er’s in the market. However the slider dropouts do bring a weight penalty, and for the 650B we wanted to cut some of that weight since some of our P-29er customers had already voiced a desire to have non-slider drops on that model. It’s tough to make everyone happy and we’re sorry we can’t offer both frames in both options!

    There's no plans to change the P-29er at the moment, but that doesn't mean we never will.
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    Understood, and thanks for the info Dave!

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    Can't wait for the P-275 to arrive in South Africa. That said, I love my P-29er
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    Cyclesport has the p29er on sale for $699!. Wish i had the patience to have waited until now. Otherwise kudos to you buyers. This is a great deal on a great bike

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    AM 29er

    upgrade with 120 mm Manitou Minute fork 50 mm stem... work very well
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    I may have missed this question already but how does one fit the tapered steer forks on this bike now? It is increasingly difficult to find new straight steerer forks
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    So, I have a question for the Ritchey Owners and/or Ritchey Dave, what's the bottom bracket height on the p29er and P275 frames? Alas, the geometry chart on the Ritchey website doesn't list one. Kind of curious how these fair in rooty rocky conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojopin View Post
    So, I have a question for the Ritchey Owners and/or Ritchey Dave, what's the bottom bracket height on the p29er and P275 frames? Alas, the geometry chart on the Ritchey website doesn't list one. Kind of curious how these fair in rooty rocky conditions.
    A 19" P-29er, with a 100mm travel fork and 2.1 tires, has a BB height of 320mm. Once we get our P650B unpacked from Interbike I'll let you know what the height is on that.
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