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    Did I screw up or is it the property owner fault for having this hazard ? watch vid

    Did I screw up or is it the property owner fault for having this hazard ? watch vid and you tell me .



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    It's very unclear from your video what's going on. Whose property is this? Did you have a right to be on it? Did the owner have a right to keep people like you out from behind the fence?
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    Interesting , Hope you not seriously hurt.

    Before making a judgment. a couple of questions

    1) Whose land is it ?
    2) I saw some signs as you were riding in, what do they say ?
    3) have you ever ridden there before ? B) gone through this way before ?
    4) are Mt. bikers welcome there ?
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    Sign seems to say "Restricted Area - Keep Out - No Trespassing - No Public Access."

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    I saw the Border Patrol early in the vid. Whose land was that? There clearly is a road across, but the fence is clearly there as well (albeit smashed down at that particular area) Probly a lot of illegal traffic in the area and the BP uses that part to access the land. I know that a lot of Ranchers give them permission to cross onto their property to catch illegals but that doesn't mean anybody can cross the fences.

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    I see that the white sign at 2:23 says "Private Property". Personally, if I didn't know where I was, I would have stopped, read the sign and gone back the way I came.
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    What?

    I generally try to be nice, but you are a moron.

    "Why was there barb wire across the ground?" TO KEEP YOU OUT.

    Secondly, always check the ground for barbwire between cattle fences. I saw the frigen wire in that crappy ass video you posted 3 seconds before you passed it.

    Third, no its not the property owners fault. Heres a hint CHAMP:

    If you are passing through a gate and barb wire stops you? YOU SHOULDN'T OF PASSED THROUGH IT.

    ****. His fault? No. Its your fault for being a frigen moron.
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    Darwin's theory should have taken effect for sure .

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    It looks like you rode through an obvious fence. Past a private property sign.

    Judging by the wording of your post title, I'd guess that you are considering suing the landowner. Here's what that is likely to accomplish:

    - You'll look silly in court because there is video evidence of you trespassing on private property. I have a copy and will gladly provide it to any defense lawyer who wants to see it.

    - That landowner will likely take stronger steps to keep mountain bikers off his land. He may have been turning a blind eye to trespassers in the past but that will end after he goes to court.

    - Other landowners in the area who may have been allowing mountain bikers access to their land will stop.

    - You will become a pariah across North America like this guy. Most people who have been riding for a while know and hate him for the damage he has done to the cause of mountain biking. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=94065

    Thousands of miles of mountain bike trails have NOT been built because of people like him. Landowners and bike clubs can't afford the liability insurance.

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    Whiners never quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s0ckeyeus
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    The Ambush??
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    You screwed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HamfisT
    The Ambush??

    And the sequel , The Trespass .

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnersNeverQuit
    Did I screw up or is it the property owner fault for having this hazard ?
    Hey, thanks man. I needed a good laugh this morning.

    Maybe next time you can Vimeo yourself ordering a Starbucks Frufrumochochino and walking out without paying for it. Then post up wondering if security is at fault for tackling you in the parking lot.

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    I'm wondering who to blame for all the trees and rocks that are always in my path.
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    A little personal responsibility goes a long way. The world shouldn't have to be catered to your bad judgement or hurt feelings.

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    Jesus talk about doing anything for people to visit his blog. you were going so slow I was not sure you were not even walking your bike and you hit a fence which was obviously down?

    fail

    Edit: to be fair I re watched it for the "shadow over the fence" lol not even close pal.

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    You obviously weren't paying enough attention to where you were going and rode your bike into a low fence.

    The landowner didn't make you ride your bike into his fence.

    Your fault.
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    Just be happy you didnt stuff your helmet into the ground and inject that ipod into your head. Someone mentioned iBrain, you almost did it!

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    O.K. first off, it’s too bad that people feel the immediate need to be so nasty when they are responding to your question – although, in saying that, I am onboard with the overall consensus. The name calling is really unnecessary though.

    If you’re interested, here is my opinion (since you asked). It took me a while but I managed to pause your video right after you fell so I was able to read the sign that says Private Property. Clearly the fence was damaged and a hazard but there were at least 2 other signs that were passed which probably stated the same thing. Personally, I don’t know how the laws work in the U.S. (I am in Canada) but it would seem to me that this one falls (no pun intended) on you.

    But, like here in Canada, I’m sure there are many “good” lawyers out there who could skew this in your favour but I sincerely hope you wouldn’t stoop to that level. Nothing good would come of it. Falling sucks but it’s part of mountain biking. It’s just the way it is.

    As a side note; I also took a few minutes to check out the 3rd video in your account (maybe some others should too) and I’d just like to say that you are very inspiring. Really cool – seriously. Very cool too for Race Face to help you out like that, bro. Keep riding and enjoy as many miles as you can. Be out in the open air and forget about the courtroom – it’s stuffy in there!

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    Viral video???

    Quote Originally Posted by WinnersNeverQuit

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    I'll give you props for riding with a handicap---I didn't notice this line at first and was wondering in the video why in the hell you would have been riding with one platform and one clipless pedal. I suppose this is why bunny-hoping the downed fence wasn't an option. What exactly took you down??? It almost looks like you fell down on purpose!?!?

    But if you posted this to get attention to your up-for-sale blog site; fail...EPIC FAIL
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    That's why our small claims court is so awesome.- you'll probably win.
    dont let all them nay-sayers on mtbr durring the day get u down. (they should get a job)
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    Middle of nowhere restricted property, trespassing signs, barbed wire and you're wondering if the landowner is at fault. Living proof that there's no shortage of stupidity in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg
    But if you posted this to get attention to your up-for-sale blog site; fail...EPIC FAIL
    He just forgot the 'r' in wordpress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pliebenberg
    ... What exactly took you down??? ......
    My guess is that his non-functional leg which he rests on his left crank arm (watch his other video) caught one of the slightly elevated wires and stopped him dead in his tracks.
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    No way, this has got to be staged.

    You tresspassed onto gated property (yes the gate was open, but if a front door of a house is open you don't just walk in). That'll get you shot in alot of places.

    I guess common sense is not so common.

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    Optometrist

    Quote Originally Posted by s0ckeyeus
    He just forgot the 'r' in wordpress.
    Aaaah...so right! I reduce my judgement to just plain fail; not epic.

    A trip to an optometrist may be in order---if we viewers can see the obstacle plainly in a helmet cam video, so too should have the rider.

    Yeah, in a court of law he may have a leg to stand on (bad pun sorry); A fence needs to be in good repair or it should be removed. In the court of public opinion a case like this only furthers the distrust of the legal system. "of the lawyers by the lawyers for the lawyers"
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    Please do not encourage the Op from the Republic of californistan to further degrade this country with a BS lawsuit when he obviously blatantly rode across looking to do just that.

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    There's a guy named Benson around these parts that's missing his leg from the knee down. Coolest dude you ever met. Rides the meanest wheelies you ever saw and brings a grill, beer and BBQ wherever he rides! Top that Captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurr
    Please do not encourage the Op from the Republic of californistan to further degrade this country with a BS lawsuit when he obviously blatantly rode across looking to do just that.
    Please do not encourage the dillholes who move themselves and their famililes to our state en mass for work and recreational opportunities, while denigrating all 34 million of us at every opportunity as though we are NOT American. Sorry for this outburst, but I'm pretty f'in sick of reading this crap on the net, while the same people will eagerly brag on facebook with pictures of their CA vacations, and jump at a heartbeat when given an opportunity to relocate here.

    All that aside, I agree that nobody should be encouraging this guy to file yet another frivolous lawsuit in a society where the legal industry has become more corrupt, bloated and powerful then any of our forefathers could have imagined.

    Ethics matter. Frivilous lawsuits are unethical. If you knowingly trespassed, the culpability is your own. If you ignore these facts and try to manipulate the system just because some ambulance chaser will take the case, you are not an inspiration, you're a fraud.

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    Sue Tony Ellsworth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbaysurfer
    Please do not encourage the dillholes who move themselves and their famililes to our state en mass for work and recreational opportunities, while denigrating all 34 million of us at every opportunity as though we are NOT American. Sorry for this outburst, but I'm pretty f'in sick of reading this crap on the net, while the same people will eagerly brag on facebook with pictures of their CA vacations, and jump at a heartbeat when given an opportunity to relocate here.
    Worked in your State a couple of different times, nothing impressive on any scale, any attempt you had at good weather and outdoor activities has been ruined by insane politics helping to lead the way to endless corruption, many being set by the standard of stoooopid bloated law suits which encase you did not know, governments actually get a big chunk of. Also it seems that most of the Cali D bags have moved up here bringing their twisted views of America and the outdoors with them, Im happy to stay out of your state, please take yours back there, thank you.
    All that aside, I agree that nobody should be encouraging this guy to file yet another frivolous lawsuit in a society where the legal industry has become more corrupt, bloated and powerful then any of our forefathers could have imagined.

    Ethics matter. Frivilous lawsuits are unethical. If you knowingly trespassed, the culpability is your own. If you ignore these facts and try to manipulate the system just because some ambulance chaser will take the case, you are not an inspiration, you're a fraud.
    This now this part of your statement is very well stated, and I will add to this by saying it further degrades mtn bike opportunities for us and further increases a negative Image of us.

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    How many sets of mtb tracks are in the frame around 3:24?
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    Sorry Frank...

    It's just that we're a sarcastic bunch around here, and when we "smell blood in the water"...

    I finally read your "about me" and again give you respect! (and the benefit of doubt that you did not "stage" the crash)

    You should try and rig that LH crank so it doesn't dangle down like that---maybe somebody here can come up with a positive suggestion? (maybe a pedal centered on the BB spindle would be the ticket?

    And...you might try contacting the land owner and politely tell him that he has a fence down---even anonymously if you don't want a confrontation, you may find out whether or not you should even be riding there.
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    your fault without a doubt.

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    If you would have gone to the second entrance, it looks like you would have been otay.

    Definitely sucks that you got tangled up and fell, but I wouldn't go causing a stink over it. However, I'd be for taking my revenge out on that crap with some wire cutters when I passed by there again. That looked like it hurt!
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    Props to you for getting out and getting it done.
    My thoughts are that your free crank-arm is at least partly to blame, not Race Face, just that there is a flaw to the setup.
    Anytime there are hazards, you need to be able to keep your cranks level or horizontal to avoid the exact thing that happened to you. Sometimes all you need do is catch your pedal on a rock and down you go. Riding around with your left leg all the way down is asking for trouble, and you found some.
    I think you would be better off with a pedal attached (by an adapter or new threads cut) directly to the bottom bracket, without a crank-arm.
    At least get a shorter crank!
    And why the rear tire on the front?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Darwin's theory should have taken effect for sure .
    Lol.... I would have stopped and picked up my bike over the barbed wire.....FN Idiot award goes to the OP!
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    it dosen´t matter if is private property, the fence was to low you can pass it waking and even ride over it maybe you get only a flat tire, you screw up, sorry dude.

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    Can't fault the guy for not walking over the fence since he's only got one leg, but it's still his fault because the place was clearly posted as private property. Whether a lawyer might find a case somewhere is a separate issue altogether. In a question of responsibility, that falls upon the OP.

    Maybe not be much the landowner can do about the fence if Border Patrol insists upon having access for law enforcement activities.

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    Lawfully riding there or not, should the landowner be responsible for clearing all "obstructions" so theres a clear path for all "mountain" bikers?

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    A man with a watch like that doesn't necessarily have a passport problem.
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    why were you taping this anyways?

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    Boy, the OP sure has a lot of reading to do in response to his post huh?

    Wonder if he'll be back to respond?

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    Editing this post cause i didnt know you were riding with the power of only one leg. Great job and keep it up.

    As far as the fence, i think its your fault. Dont sweat it, just keep riding.
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    That there is a prime example of why ppl are moving towards the 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk
    Can't fault the guy for not walking over the fence since he's only got one leg, but it's still his fault because the place was clearly posted as private property. Whether a lawyer might find a case somewhere is a separate issue altogether. In a question of responsibility, that falls upon the OP.

    Maybe not be much the landowner can do about the fence if Border Patrol insists upon having access for law enforcement activities.
    In my province, almost any attempt to discourage trespass is considered due diligence. A fence or a sign or a ditch no matter how run down they are, are enough to indemnify the landowner.

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    To me, after seeing the post on the left bent down a an extreme angle, prudence would have dictated a more cautious approach.
    However, your video titled "untitled" is very inspirational, as someone mentioned earlier. Good work.
    Nice bike too.

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    I have a feeling he didn't get the responses he was hoping for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1911
    I have a feeling he didn't get the responses he was hoping for.
    ...But the attention he was....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    ...But the attention he was....




    Yep , successful troll .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    why were you taping this anyways?
    +1

    Seems like a very strange place to be dragging a vid cam around just to record a "road ride" on private property.

    If you turn it up really loud and play it backwards, you can distinctly hear, " Cut/Wrap, thanks kid; that's perfect for my new commercial ! Send me the bill and we can sue for 1mil, but you'll only get 100 grand "

    If the OP is trying to make a statement about accessibility issues for the handicapped, it's a "fail" as well. Unless his eyesight is worse than his bike handling skills, there's no point in showing all the no trespassing signs prior to the "accident".

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    I like how Frank keeps looking both ways down the road, then just continues on his way after once he catches his breath.

    I'm sure the following occurred. This is my DEEP and ELABORATE CONSPIRACY THEORY ON THIS....

    --Frank left his camera on for whatever reason and filmed this, regardless of intent for this video. Some people leave them on....Or forget.

    --He thought he could run over the barbed wire but found like I did once, it's springy...and when you compress it with your front wheel, it bounces back and catches your pedal. As many of you know, Frank has a bum leg on a freewheeling crankarm that is always down---so he was guaranteed to catch that wire.

    -He crashed and composed himself, checking the bike and left. It's all real.

    -Later he discovered this video and thought how funny it would be to deadpan post this on mtbr as a liability issue question, knowing it would stir the pot.
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    As property owner direct on the border here in NM, I try to be fair to everyone that trespasses like giving illegals a bit of food and water before calling the border patrol or watching out for crossers with heat stroke and dehydration. BUT, should I ever catch you riding an Ellsworth with no regard to our land you can expect a round or two in your arsh. Do you think you're special because you have an Ellsworth? If you were in your zone on a 29er in this heat I might even offer you a beer, but you are clearly a moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurr
    Worked in your State a couple of different times, nothing impressive on any scale, any attempt you had at good weather and outdoor activities has been ruined by insane politics helping to lead the way to endless corruption, many being set by the standard of stoooopid bloated law suits which encase you did not know, governments actually get a big chunk of. Also it seems that most of the Cali D bags have moved up here bringing their twisted views of America and the outdoors with them, Im happy to stay out of your state, please take yours back there, thank you.


    This now this part of your statement is very well stated, and I will add to this by saying it further degrades mtn bike opportunities for us and further increases a negative Image of us.
    How politics affected your enjoyment of the weather and recreational opportunities in CA is beyond me. I don't talk politics when I'm riding, and no liberal made me pay a tax to access my local trail this morning.

    I was kinda hoping to hear that you just don't like the politics but were open minded about the fact that every individual deserves consideration on their own merit, but you make it pretty clear here that where a person happens to live is grounds for you to prejudge them, so obviously my hope was misplaced.

    D bags reside, and originate from every state in the union, CA doesn't have a monopoly on them.

    More F-d up then frivolous lawsuits in this country is the people who think they can paint half the population with the same brush and hate them accordingly. Partisan politics is a real downer. I'd rather not be a Hutu OR a Tutsi, TYVM.

    I like your parting shot...you'll stay out of my state? Right...just like you did when your job opportunity presented itself? Also, you may be unaware since your world is so black and white, but I didn't arrange for any D-bags to come to your state. In fact I generally avoid d-bags at all cost, which is why...

    That's my last post on the subject, hope I haven't ruined the thread for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbaysurfer
    How politics affected your enjoyment of the weather and recreational opportunities in CA is beyond me. I don't talk politics when I'm riding, and no liberal made me pay a tax to access my local trail this morning.

    I was kinda hoping to hear that you just don't like the politics but were open minded about the fact that every individual deserves consideration on their own merit, but you make it pretty clear here that where a person happens to live is grounds for you to prejudge them, so obviously my hope was misplaced.

    D bags reside, and originate from every state in the union, CA doesn't have a monopoly on them.

    More F-d up then frivolous lawsuits in this country is the people who think they can paint half the population with the same brush and hate them accordingly. Partisan politics is a real downer. I'd rather not be a Hutu OR a Tutsi, TYVM.

    I like your parting shot...you'll stay out of my state? Right...just like you did when your job opportunity presented itself? Also, you may be unaware since your world is so black and white, but I didn't arrange for any D-bags to come to your state. In fact I generally avoid d-bags at all cost, which is why...

    That's my last post on the subject, hope I haven't ruined the thread for everyone else.

    Obviously you have missed where california has set the stage on nearly every level of crazy law suits and laws within America Which is why it has garnered the reputation of being the "republic of Kalifornistan" and other crazy names, does it have the monopoly? Of course not, but the rest has already been said.

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    "Blurr rambles
    ...Obviously you have missed where california has set the stage on nearly every level of crazy law suits and laws within America Which is why it has garnered the reputation of being the "republic of Kalifornistan" and other crazy names, does it have the monopoly?"


    Dude, you need to swap the tinfoil for a helmet. "republic of Kalifornistan", how fresh, did you make that up?

    I'm not from Cali, and I'm offended.

    It must suck hating half your fellow Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktm300
    "Blurr rambles
    ...Obviously you have missed where california has set the stage on nearly every level of crazy law suits and laws within America Which is why it has garnered the reputation of being the "republic of Kalifornistan" and other crazy names, does it have the monopoly?"


    Dude, you need to swap the tinfoil for a helmet. "republic of Kalifornistan", how fresh, did you make that up?

    I'm not from Cali, and I'm offended.

    It must suck hating half your fellow Americans.
    Yea shame on me for staying informed. You should try it, then maybe we would not be having this conversation, or keep your head in the sand, I am however confident that later will prevail.

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    "Blurr... Yea shame on me for staying informed."

    Someone once said, 'A little learning is a dangerous thing;...'

    "I am however confident that later will prevail."

    Say no more.


    Back to the topic, the OP did screw up and is solely responsible for the crash. But he gets some credit for riding with one leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cannonballtrail
    As property owner direct on the border here in NM, I try to be fair to everyone that trespasses like giving illegals a bit of food and water before calling the border patrol or watching out for crossers with heat stroke and dehydration. BUT, should I ever catch you riding an Ellsworth with no regard to our land you can expect a round or two in your arsh. Do you think you're special because you have an Ellsworth? If you were in your zone on a 29er in this heat I might even offer you a beer, but you are clearly a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurr
    Yea shame on me for staying informed.
    LOL this guy!

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    if i run into a tree can i sue the planet (or maybe just al gore)?

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    Okay, a few questions:

    1. How loudly were the Border Patrol agents laughing?

    2. What was all that grunting and groaning??

    3. Were you walking or riding? Couldn't tell from the speed.

    4. Why all the heavy breathing? Sounded like a, well, never mind...

    5. Why do you ride an Ellsworth?

    6. Are you an illegal alien?

    Inquiring minds want to know....
    If not biking, then what?

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    Have yet to hear back from the OP. He probably killed himself after all the nasty replies. People should be more tolerant of dumb questions on here.

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    It looks like other bike tyre tracks are on the ground. So clearly other people do ride there and the owner of the property has given permission for mountain bikers to ride there. Maybe not but either way I wouldn't go making a fuss about it, sheit happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindiggitydog
    Have yet to hear back from the OP. He probably killed himself after all the nasty replies. People should be more tolerant of dumb questions on here.
    No. He'll be back. He always comes back.

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    OMG, you are actually questioning whose fault this is? What in the world were you doing, texting or something not to notice five strips of barbed wire on the ground. If I were the property owner and were to see this, I would laugh my azz off! Thanks for this mornings laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTP
    2. What was all that grunting and groaning??

    4. Why all the heavy breathing? Sounded like a, well, never mind...
    I was wondering that as well. The guy has one leg, so maybe he was having a hard time getting back up, but that fall was still as walking speed. Hardly much of a crash at all. Maybe the stem got him in the nuts and he's way out of shape?

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    does not look like a place to be riding to me

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    Good entertainment right there...

    if you listen real close I think you can hear the Board Patrol laughing...

    OP, work on the climbing skills Dude!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel.
    It looks like other bike tyre tracks are on the ground
    That's because the OP kept riding over the wire until it snagged his crank

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    Quote Originally Posted by metaljim
    I was wondering that as well. The guy has one leg, so maybe he was having a hard time getting back up, but that fall was still as walking speed. Hardly much of a crash at all. Maybe the stem got him in the nuts and he's way out of shape?
    I must confess to having fallen,, and while not life threatening, sounding much like the OP while dis-entangling myself from the bike and bushes. Some of us have no business being on a bike,(uncoordinated, overweight, type one diabetic) yet still we ride. But for this there is ridicule instead of admiration.
    I am not suggesting the land owner to be at fault, just that Y'all are a bunch of heartless bastards.
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    Kudos to the OP for overcoming a tremendous disability....

    But F him for wanting to blame a land owner for something that was clearly his own fault....

    Take some responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurr
    Worked in your State a couple of different times, nothing impressive on any scale
    hahaha...You’re right, nothing impressive about California at all...haha. You pretty much lost all credibility with that statement. We do have plenty of issues in California, but “nothing impressive on any scale”...that is clearly a well though out statement.

    Glad to hear you will not be visiting us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWright
    I am not suggesting the land owner to be at fault, just that Y'all are a bunch of heartless bastards, not that that is a bad thing.
    You'll have to be more specific, "Y'all" to me would be everyone who reads your post or at least everyone who replied to this thread.

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    I DID like the part of the video where there is definitely some masochistic "getting off" pleasure; an unexpected period of joy not far from authorities and getting arrested-
    Good job, no fault for success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LWright
    I must confess to having fallen,, and while not life threatening, sounding much like the OP while dis-entangling myself from the bike and bushes. Some of us have no business being on a bike,(uncoordinated, overweight, type one diabetic) yet still we ride. But for this there is ridicule instead of admiration.
    I am not suggesting the land owner to be at fault, just that Y'all are a bunch of heartless bastards, not that that is a bad thing.
    HTFU

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    Mate, I'm sorry to see that you came unstuck.

    I think that you might win if you proceeded with legal action.

    The land owner failed to maintain a safe passage. They also failed to maintain the perimeter of the property in a sound and safe manner.

    You were not given a fair indication that you were entering unsafe ground. Sure, there was a sign that indicated 'Private Property, No Entry' but your eye level and direction of vision wasn't where the poorly maintained sign was and should have been.

    Screw the arse off the dude Mate. All property owners have an obligation the keep their property safe. Unexpected events do not exclude property owners from negligence.

    If you come onto my property to rob me, and you trip on my new steps and are injured on the steps that I'm currently building, I've created a man trap whether I have intended to make my steps a man trap or not. There is no difference from this example, to what happened to you.

    Go for it Mate. I liked the footage, it was well suffered. Have a chat to a no-win no-fee lawyer ... anxiety and post traumatic stress Mate, totally shocking and affecting, that is what is ruining your life ... this trauma has to be worth at least two new Foss inner tubes. They don't puncture when you run over barbed wire.

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    the world has gone mad.

    The US has a (Media) reputation for suing everyone in sight . This kind of backs the accusation up.
    Hey. I heard yesterday that Britney Spears body guard is suing her for wearing see through underwear in front of him... Holy ****!!!!!!!! Sexual harassment. Give me a break.
    100% TRUE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wassa
    Mate, I'm sorry to see that you came unstuck.

    I think that you might win if you proceeded with legal action.

    The land owner failed to maintain a safe passage. They also failed to maintain the perimeter of the property in a sound and safe manner.

    You were not given a fair indication that you were entering unsafe ground. Sure, there was a sign that indicated 'Private Property, No Entry' but your eye level and direction of vision wasn't where the poorly maintained sign was and should have been.

    Screw the arse off the dude Mate. All property owners have an obligation the keep their property safe. Unexpected events do not exclude property owners from negligence.

    If you come onto my property to rob me, and you trip on my new steps and are injured on the steps that I'm currently building, I've created a man trap whether I have intended to make my steps a man trap or not. There is no difference from this example, to what happened to you.

    Go for it Mate. I liked the footage, it was well suffered. Have a chat to a no-win no-fee lawyer ... anxiety and post traumatic stress Mate, totally shocking and affecting, that is what is ruining your life ... this trauma has to be worth at least two new Foss inner tubes. They don't puncture when you run over barbed wire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Wassa
    Mate, I'm sorry to see that you came unstuck.

    I think that you might win if you proceeded with legal action.

    The land owner failed to maintain a safe passage. They also failed to maintain the perimeter of the property in a sound and safe manner.

    You were not given a fair indication that you were entering unsafe ground. Sure, there was a sign that indicated 'Private Property, No Entry' but your eye level and direction of vision wasn't where the poorly maintained sign was and should have been.

    Screw the arse off the dude Mate. All property owners have an obligation the keep their property safe. Unexpected events do not exclude property owners from negligence.

    If you come onto my property to rob me, and you trip on my new steps and are injured on the steps that I'm currently building, I've created a man trap whether I have intended to make my steps a man trap or not. There is no difference from this example, to what happened to you.

    Go for it Mate. I liked the footage, it was well suffered. Have a chat to a no-win no-fee lawyer ... anxiety and post traumatic stress Mate, totally shocking and affecting, that is what is ruining your life ... this trauma has to be worth at least two new Foss inner tubes. They don't puncture when you run over barbed wire.

    Warren.
    I guess you might be technically right, I'm nota lawyer, but it represents something I despise most about an event which is possible in our culture. The guy burgling my house hurt on my steps or the McDonalds hot coffee suit (settled for somewhere between $2.86 million to $640,000). It is just wrongheaded. It seems that we have to protect everyone. After all we are not all bright enough or observant enough, or paying attention enough to heed warnings, regard considerations of safety, or respect property limits. Even if such a move was calculated to appear as described our laws could be used to leverage judgement.

    There is such a huge disconnect with this thread. There was signage all over the place and he rode over downed barbed wire for crissakes. It is foolish on the face of it. I wonder if the OPO is using this to flesh-out a defense in service of a large legal settlement or just jerking a chain or using us as a sociology project. In any event I think he is using us poorly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamb
    I smell sarcasm........I hope!
    Lamb, yes you did because Foss inner tubes can be punctured.

    The odour that you smell, is possibly a burning smell. A puncture to Foss inner tube can be simply repaired just by heating the inner tube with a cigarette lighter and pinching the membrane around the hole, with your finger tips.

    If you burn your finger tips while pinching the still hot membrane ... please do not sue me. You should have known to use your Leatherman pliers and not your fingers on the hot acrylic. I learn from my mistakes.

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    Subscribed because this made me LMAO and no time to reply right now.
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    OP'ers is a d'ouche for what he did, a double d'ouche for posting this.
    Nobody cares...........

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    LMFAO-- property owner's fault for having a hazard? The signs give you all the information you need. The guy is trying to keep people off of his property. Apparently it worked.

    Props on your other videos though.

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    I ride this area very often, I live within 10 minutes(20 by trail). I really don't know how to respond to this. Are you serious? Really? WTF? There are about 3-4 barbed wires running accross the ground, I usually just lift the tire as I'm crossing it. You should try looking where the "f" your going. And regarding the land issue, to my knowledge(sea lawyer by way of Border Patrol and Rangers), the land is public(BLM) and we are allowed to ride there via public recreation easement laws. I know for a fact the BP guys like us(at least most of us) because we are an extension of their eyes and ears.

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    I also ride that trail at least one a week for years, don't undertand how you fell since the wires are on the ground, just lift front tire, never known of anyone had any issue with it, I only hope that because your f&^* up it won't affect everyone else that ride there on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathan_sykes81
    I ride this area very often, I live within 10 minutes(20 by trail). I really don't know how to respond to this. Are you serious? Really? WTF? There are about 3-4 barbed wires running accross the ground, I usually just lift the tire as I'm crossing it. You should try looking where the "f" your going. And regarding the land issue, to my knowledge(sea lawyer by way of Border Patrol and Rangers), the land is public(BLM) and we are allowed to ride there via public recreation easement laws. I know for a fact the BP guys like us(at least most of us) because we are an extension of their eyes and ears.
    Please to satisfy my curiosity. What's the story with the "Private Property" sign and the fence?

    My response was based on what looked like the OP riding past a private property sign over a partially broken fence.

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    What? OP never got back to us. Hmmmmm. Ima go ride into Donald Trumps mailbox now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinnersNeverQuit
    Did I screw up or is it the property owner fault for having this hazard ? watch vid and you tell me .



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    ^^^^

    Couldn't have said it better myself. To the OP, quit being such a litigious prick.
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    I just scanned the thread looking to see if this guy came back to say anything...
    I guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broke That
    I just scanned the thread looking to see if this guy came back to say anything...
    After one of the most hapless attempts of all time to cross into the United States, the Border Patrol picked him up and threw him back over the fence. They didn't have to lift him very high to clear that fence.

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    To the OP: I genuinely feel bad about your disability and commend you for your drive and determination. But judging on how you previously posted the exact same thread (not this one) on 10 different forums looking for kudos tells me that you may be down on yourself and have become an attention whore. What you are trying to do on this thread is truly despicable. Many of us on here have already lost access to our favorite trails and due a few members of our community we have gained somewhat of a bad rep. Your intentions will no doubt have a very negative impact on how other perceive us. You need to get over it already or find another sport.

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