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    Mongoose Deception

    New to MB , Bought a Wal-Mart 29" Deception...

    Tried to find some info online all I find is threads bashing WalMart
    and/or dumbasses who actually bought one of these like me..

    Going into it I knew It was gonna have it's limitations..
    After all it IS a $200 bike..

    So here is my review so far after riding about 50 miles of singletrack..

    #1 The whole Derailer/shifting system pretty much sukks.
    I tend to stay in the middle ring and only use the top three gears.

    #2 The brakes are soso I guess,I have never ridden a nice bike
    So I have nothing to compare them to.

    #3 At 5'11" I think the frame is a little big for me....
    I MIGHT have an inch of clearance...
    But the welds are very uniform I must say....

    #4 'I'm having a blast riding this bike..

    #5 The seat really sukks ass,that's the first thing I replaced..
    I'm not planning on doing many upgrades to this bike,I'm saving my $
    for a Jamis Exile 1.......

    I will probably end up makin it a SS bike in the future just for kikks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    #4 'I'm having a blast riding this bike..
    That's the most important point

    #5 is also a pretty solid plan. At least you didn't drop $1000 on a bike only to decide this isn't really your thing
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    Sounds like you got a good grip on things. Ride the Mongoose til it dies or you break a part that's not worth replacing. In the meantime, save your money for a nicer bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    New to MB , Bought a Wal-Mart 29" Deception...

    Tried to find some info online all I find is threads bashing WalMart
    and/or dumbasses who actually bought one of these like me..

    Going into it I knew It was gonna have it's limitations..
    After all it IS a $200 bike..

    So here is my review so far after riding about 50 miles of singletrack..

    #1 The whole Derailer/shifting system pretty much sukks.
    I tend to stay in the middle ring and only use the top three gears.

    #2 The brakes are soso I guess,I have never ridden a nice bike
    So I have nothing to compare them to.

    #3 At 5'11" I think the frame is a little big for me....
    I MIGHT have an inch of clearance...
    But the welds are very uniform I must say....

    #4 'I'm having a blast riding this bike..

    #5 The seat really sukks ass,that's the first thing I replaced..
    I'm not planning on doing many upgrades to this bike,I'm saving my $
    for a Jamis Exile 1.......

    I will probably end up makin it a SS bike in the future just for kikks..
    #1 A tune up by someone who doesn't double as the BBQ assembler might help this situation (ie spend $50-$60 and have an LBS do a full tune on it, even cheap stuff can shift well if properly tuned).

    #2 To be expected, most disc brakes on sub $500 bikes are mediocre

    #3 29ers tend to have less clearance than equivalent sized 26ers unless designed with a dropped top tube. Your reach fit is the more important measurement. And yes, the Chinese weld just fine these days.

    #4 That is the most important factor

    #5 Seats are subjective, all asses are not alike.

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    New question here. Welcome!!

    hound dog--

    Welcome to the Forum..

    I have been posting over on the "other" Walgoose 29er "Impasse" thread here, but it is now a moot subject, as the Impasse 29er has gone away.

    The reason that you could not find much info on the 'Net about your new Deception is that they are too new to the market..

    There are some comments and one review over on Walmart.com concerning the Deception.

    What color is yours??



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    Hey Eddie,Mine is green,,,And it's turned out pretty tough..I took a bad enough spill
    Sunday Morn that I had to be carried out of trails on a stretcher...I'm beat up good..
    The bike is fine...

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    Thanks Houndog! I am thinking right along those lines, not knowing if the 29er thing is for me! I'm about 5' 10" I guess the color is a crap shoot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    #1 A tune up by someone who doesn't double as the BBQ assembler might help this situation (ie spend $50-$60 and have an LBS do a full tune on it, even cheap stuff can shift well if properly tuned).
    +1. I just worked over a NEXT-brand bike, and it's shifting rather well. It's a bit easy to over-rotate the grip shifters, but the shifting per se is spot on. Some adjustments might do wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    I took a bad enough spill
    Sunday Morn that I had to be carried out of trails on a stretcher...I'm beat up good..
    The bike is fine...
    Hey, be careful. We don't want to lose you after only two posts. Stick around for awhile, ok?

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    There is another thread already running on this topic. Its gotten pretty heated. Its suspected the Deception is sporting a Performance Access 29er Frame made by Dorel. Here is the thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=613915&page=6

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    Good job! The color is Forest Green...

    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    Thanks Houndog! I am thinking right along those lines, not knowing if the 29er thing is for me! I'm about 5' 10" I guess the color is a crap shoot....

    poikaa
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    The reason I asked Houndog what the color of his Deception was/is: Over on the Walmart
    Bike Website, one Owner was a bit concerned that his Deception was not Silver (like in the example pic of it that I posted) and it was actually Forest Green..green would be good IMHO.

    Another Owner was complaining a bit about how the decals on his Deception were put on very badly and were peeling off. Well----He did not know that this un-clear-coated decal deal is a blessing in disguise... It allows you to peel the ugly suckers right off..

    It says "mongoose" on it in about eight places!!

    So I guess that green it is..thanks again to Houndog...

    And get better quick...

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    I wonder whether my local Walmart has any of these Deceptions yet. So far, they've not stocked any of the 29er offerings.

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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanGennick
    I wonder whether my local Walmart has any of these Deceptions yet. So far, they've not stocked any of the 29er offerings.
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    Jon--

    I *think* you can actually track this via the WM website...you go in and put your zip code
    in a provided box...the software locates *your* WM and will tell you if they have one..also,
    if you are silly enough to sign-up, they will send you an e-mail, if one comes in..

    Our Super WM is brand new and the only 29er they had was that copper-colored Genesis
    which is really a mis-mash mix-up of parts, Disc brake in the front, and a caliper rim brake in the rear AND the finish was bad...no thanks...

    The Deception is pretty rare And I think that if a store gets one in, it is sold that day..

    S.E.,

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    Just order it online , shipped to your local store .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
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    Jon--

    I *think* you can actually track this via the WM website...you go in and put your zip code
    in a provided box...the software locates *your* WM and will tell you if they have one..also,
    if you are silly enough to sign-up, they will send you an e-mail, if one comes in..

    Our Super WM is brand new and the only 29er they had was that copper-colored Genesis
    which is really a mis-mash mix-up of parts, Disc brake in the front, and a caliper rim brake in the rear AND the finish was bad...no thanks...

    The Deception is pretty rare And I think that if a store gets one in, it is sold that day..

    S.E.,
    I bought the copper Genesis- the decals on it are poorly applied but the color and finish are quite nice. After replacing the bottom bracket, seatpost, saddle and fork (went rigid) it's not a bad starter bike. I'm going to strip the decals and ride it till it breaks- then buy something better.

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    Hope Behold!!

    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Just order it online , shipped to your local store .
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    Floyd---

    Of course you can order it...but..I am old school.

    Before I buy anything I MUST behold it. I have to lay hands on it and covet it...

    I have not seen one yet, either..

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    There is another thread already running on this topic. Its gotten pretty heated. Its suspected the Deception is sporting a Performance Access 29er Frame made by Dorel. Here is the thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=613915&page=6
    I thought that suspicion was just debunked.
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    Lets not let facts deter anyone from rampant speculation .

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    I thought that suspicion was just debunked.
    Lets not let facts deter anyone from rampant speculation .
    The thread is still going. Lots of people have all contributed different ideas. I would say there is no definitive answer yet, until someone takes hi-res photos to compare the frames. Seems like this topic would be better served as a single thread, rather than two separate threads.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...=1#post7477174

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! They are two different bikes..

    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    The thread is still going. Lots of people have all contributed different ideas. I would say there is no definitive answer yet, until someone takes hi-res photos to compare the frames. Seems like this topic would be better served as a single thread, rather than two separate threads.

    https://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.p...=1#post7477174
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    momo--

    I came over here to post for a several reasons:

    #1. The Walgoose Impasse was a full-on rigid frame.

    #2. The Walgoose Deception has a different frame and has a front suspension fork.

    #3. Forum member Houndog45 actually HAS a Deception 29er, so this thread is the
    "go to" thread for all Deception questions.

    The Deception does NOT share a frameset with Access, they are the "same but different".

    I have located some Access photos for everyone to compare to:



    And, the BB



    I the top pic, you can clearly see the top tube is smaller and the length of the weld is longer..also the Access has a different
    headset tube.

    The Impasse 29er is a completely different bike. And one that is no longer sold. Hence the need for two threads..

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    The Impasse 29er is a completely different bike. And one that is no longer sold. Hence the need for two threads..
    The other thread isn't just about the Impasse. All the Walmart 29ers were covered in the discussion at some point. Just seems silly to clutter the 29er sub-forum with two controversial threads about the same thing.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=613915&page=6

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    Let me know if you want pictures of anything else.Mongoose Deception-img_20101104_211625.jpg

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    Thanks for the pics.........

    Lose the kickstand unless you plan to actually use it.

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    ... and if we just ... Great pics...



    Yes, thanks for the pics..can you take a pic of the rear axle on the brake side??

    S.E.

    BTW--the welds look good....

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    There is another thread already running on this topic. Its gotten pretty heated. Its suspected the Deception is sporting a Performance Access 29er Frame made by Dorel. Here is the thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=613915&page=6

    You're the only one who thinks they're the same frame

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    "Dorel" doesn't actually build any frames.

    Dorel owns Pacific, and GT, and Schwinn, and a host of other companies/names.

    The products for the above companies are made by a few different factories in China.

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    You're the only one who thinks they're the same frame
    I never said the Impasse frame and the Decption are the same frame. I said that all the walmart 29er models may not have uniform frames in thier respective lines. Maybe I didn't articulate it correctly, but I was addressing multipe points, one of which being that procuement of the frames may not be from a uniform source.. But you can feel free to stay as confrontational as you wish.

    "Dorel" doesn't actually build any frames.
    Yeah, they owns the factories that make the frames. Your point makes no sense.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Stay on topic!!

    This is a thread that discusses the Mongoose Deception 29er..only.

    We could care less about the Dorel Corporation, Huffy/Airborne or who built what/when..

    We also do not care about discontinued bikes such as the Impasse..keep it current and on topic.

    S.E.

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    We could care less about the Dorel Corporation, Huffy/Airborne or who built what/when..

    We also do not care about discontinued bikes such as the Impasse..keep it current and on topic.
    WE? It does matter who built it. Why take pictures, then? To compare it to what? Its like you are denying the possibility that frames are not uniform per bike model at walmart. There isn't enough input to put it to rest. Sure, its not the main part of the disucssion, but still contingent enough.

    Lets loose our minds when laymen try to figure where something they buy is made and who did the manufacturing. Its a forum, the only thing we can do to uncover kernels of the truth is to continue the dialog. Not every utterance is going to be correct.

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    Yeah that pic doesn't look anything like the Performance frame. Still, I think the 200 dollar Walmart bike has come a long way, it looks at least rideable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I never said the Impasse frame and the Decption are the same frame. I said that all the walmart 29er models may not have uniform frames in thier respective lines. Maybe I didn't articulate it correctly, but I was addressing multipe points, one of which being that procuement of the frames may not be from a uniform source.. But you can feel free to stay as confrontational as you wish.



    Yeah, they owns the factories that make the frames. Your point makes no sense.
    Dorel doesn't even own the factories...

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    Dorel doesn't even own the factories...
    You're kidding, right? Do I need to go into my earlier discussion about Subsidiaries and limited partnerships again? Go read the Dorel 10-K fillings if you are unsure about what I am referencing. If you don't want to or don't think you need to? Then wallow in ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    You're kidding, right? Do I need to go into my earlier discussion about Subsidiaries and limited partnerships again?
    Just clearing the air for "full disclosure"... Dorel actually "produces" kids furniture...
    I would be highly doubtful that they owned any of the manufacturing facilities

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    Sorry to all for the hi-jack...I'll shut up now....

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    Please post proof that Dorel owns bicycle frame manufacturing facilities . I'm sure that you must have proof that was gathered in your Nancy Drew style "investigation" . Proof or it didn't happen .

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    I'm sure that you must have proof that was gathered in your Nancy Drew style "investigation" . Proof or it didn't happen .
    I'm not losing any sleep over it. This isn't a peered reviewed journal, so I don't need to get my references approved by the "MTBR review committe" before they are published. I've cited enough for anyone to go read the 10-K related documents. If you don't think Dorel outright owns the plants or doesn't have a financial stake in them, you are living in a fantasy.

    My hats off to all you SENIOR members of MTBR, you're a bunch of dicks. Good looking out for the sport/hobby and community.

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    Please prove your assertion that Dorel owns them .

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    Back up your claims with proof .

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    Why should anyone care? I'm sure the beginners coming to post about thier new WalGoose 29'ers were terribly interested in which company owns the plant where the frame is assembled. Will they sleep better over their purchase now, have more fun riding if they think they bought the same frame as Performance Access 29'er, or will they just wonder why the thread is hijacked with various obnoxious minutiae? No one seems to have any interest in this except you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Why should anyone care? I'm sure the beginners coming to post about thier new WalGoose 29'ers were terribly interested in which company owns the plant where the frame is assembled. Will they sleep better over their purchase now, have more fun riding if they think they bought the same frame as Performance Access 29'er, or will they just wonder why the thread is hijacked with various obnoxious minutiae? No one seems to have any interest in this except you.

    I contributed to the mess and I apologize.... You guys have fun and enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I'm not losing any sleep over it. This isn't a peered reviewed journal, so I don't need to get my references approved by the "MTBR review committe" before they are published. I've cited enough for anyone to go read the 10-K related documents. If you don't think Dorel outright owns the plants or doesn't have a financial stake in them, you are living in a fantasy.

    My hats off to all you SENIOR members of MTBR, you're a bunch of dicks. Good looking out for the sport/hobby and community.
    why does it matter who builds a frame in the first place. If the sette, performance, mongoose and specialized are all made by the some frame manufacturer in asia somewhere does that make one better than the other? Worse?

    Seems like encouraging a rider to ride is supporting the community much more than trying for whatever reason to point out that they bought an "evil" Asian produced bicycle. Have a look in the mirror and see who is really supporting the community.

    and what is your reason for all the e-hate? If you have a beef with bikes made in asia then I suspect that you probably only ride a bike made in america, that is sourced and welded here (probably a steel frame to boot) have a fox fork, and obviously single speed as most shifting parts are made in asia too. I suspect that you probably run the Raceface cranks, but the high end ones that were milled in Canada and of course the White Bros. freewheel on your paul hubs. Brakes? I would guess formula, hopes or hayes as I guess Europe is better'n asia in that respect.

    Or is it Walmart perse? Is it that someone came into the mountain biking fold through a cheap bike and now already has designs on a Jamis?

    Frankly I think it is great that the OP bought a mongoose deception (or for some reason I keep reading it as decepticon) and its a reasonably decent off road bike. I hope he gets a new "name brand" bike from a local shop some day and I hope he gives the mongoose to a friend for him or her to learn this sport and I hope they continue to pass it along ad nauseum.

    If you don't like Walmart for their effect on the local economy etc, I sure as hell hope you don't buy your bike stuff online. Me I just don't shop at walmart, but I also don't spend my time proselytizing on the internets regarding the evil walmart/dorel/giant whatever. I support new riders no matter the bike because at one time I started on a cheap bike and like it. Now I ride a cheap bike and still love i plus i am too busy with vapor trails conspiracies :google it!
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    Funny cartoon picassomoon, but if you are alluding to this discussion, its would seem that both charactures would be claiming to have a baseball that is not in plain sight.

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    I would buy the damn bike if it was called the Decepticon! Maybe make another one in red white and blue and call it the Optimus Prime! They wouldn't be able to keep those things on the shelf!

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    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    I would buy the damn bike if it was called the Decepticon! Maybe make another one in red white and blue and call it the Optimus Prime! They wouldn't be able to keep those things on the shelf!

    I know right...I was a little disappointed when I finally came in here and realized it was a hardtail called a deception. I felt a little deceived about the bike. Was expecting some sorta blocky, colorful, nicolai type frame.

    Maybe something that could swap from road bike to mountain bike with the flip of a switch...and megan fox.
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    and what is your reason for all the e-hate? If you have a beef with bikes made in asia then I suspect that you probably only ride a bike made in america, that is sourced and welded here (probably a steel frame to boot) have a fox fork, and obviously single speed as most shifting parts are made in asia too. I suspect that you probably run the Raceface cranks, but the high end ones that were milled in Canada and of course the White Bros. freewheel on your paul hubs. Brakes? I would guess formula, hopes or hayes as I guess Europe is better'n asia in that respect.
    You jumped in a little late. I was on the side saying "the bike frames are coming from the same place" and that some may even be the same frame sold on higher end models or sold directly at Pricepoint or Performance. I got crapped on for posting that theory, by those types of "bike snobs" which you accused me of being.

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    No I was pointing out that you are slagging a rider who is enthusiastic about his bicycle then accusing people of not supporting the sport.

    The OP was obviously very excited about his bike (see his point #4), there was no reason to come in and turn the discussion to the merits or lack thereof of his choice in bike.

    And you will also notice that just cause the bikes are made in the same factory they are not the same bike. Just built by the same workers/robots.
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    am i the only noticing the site has been hacked and there is a GIANT photo of a road bike in every single posts and it has thrown the site out of kilter???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    am i the only noticing the site has been hacked and there is a GIANT photo of a road bike in every single posts and it has thrown the site out of kilter???????



    Its you , not getting it on my screen . Try clearing cookies from your computer .

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    Idea! Thank you Mod...

    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    ...The OP was obviously very excited about his bike (see his point #4),,,,
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    Thanks for showing up and remembering the OP--"houndog45"--he wrecked his Walgoose
    Deception out in the woods and had to be carted out on a stretcher..I hope he is OK and
    he said his $200 29er was fine and survived with no damage...

    You mentioned "Google" it..I did and there is very little out there.

    This is why we need/want pictures, as darned few have ever laid eyes on one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
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    rockcrusher----

    Thanks for showing up and remembering the OP--"houndog45"--he wrecked his Walgoose
    Deception out in the woods and had to be carted out on a stretcher..I hope he is OK and
    he said his $200 29er was fine and survived with no damage...

    You mentioned "Google" it..I did and there is very little out there.

    This is why we need/want pictures, as darned few have ever laid eyes on one..

    Steady Eddie
    I too hope the OP is ok. Stretcher and mountain bike ride and crash are three words I prefer to not see in any post but the obligatory "at least my bike was ok" makes it less scary in every instance and just follow the truth my friend. The truth is out there!
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    Good job! Thanks Jim...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    Yeah that pic doesn't look anything like the Performance frame. Still, I think the 200 dollar Walmart bike has come a long way, it looks at least rideable.
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    Thank you for a thoughtful post (from a senior member with over 5 THOUSAND posts... )

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    Dang guys,I just wanted to post a review on this bike for any other folks interested
    in getting one.....Sheesh!!!!!!


    I think it is a good bike for $200....
    I do plan on buying a better one in the future from A LBS...

    Much thanks to all who have voiced concern about my crash..


    I'm not sure what happended I was goin down a pretty good hill with a bridge
    right at the bottom that is cocked to the left fron the hill....

    I was riding with my wife,I took a sec to glance back to see where she was
    and I must have lost my line....


    All I remember is thinkin OH Fukk!! I'm going off the bridge!!!! .
    My wife found me unconscious laying under bridge,my bike was hanging
    off the bridge with the front wheel turned backwards...

    I tried to get up once I awoke but couldn't, holy **** it hurt!!!

    I have a serious contusion right below my collarbone on my front side
    I was in and out of it,until I got to the hospital....

    Nothin broke though,my helmet is srcatched up also......

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    well... i am glad you are ok........ glad the bike is ok also...

    get a new helmet before you ride again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    All I remember is thinkin OH Fukk!! I'm going off the bridge!!!! .
    I crashed hard this spring, trying to ride over a two-inch thick branch. (Yes, I am that lame). It all happened so fast that I didn't even have time to formulate any thoughts at all. So I sorta know how you must've felt.

    Glad nothing was broken.

    So what bike does your wife ride? It's nice she goes out w/you. Mine is more in to sewing than riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    Dang guys,I just wanted to post a review on this bike for any other folks interested
    in getting one.....Sheesh!!!!!!


    I think it is a good bike for $200....
    I do plan on buying a better one in the future from A LBS...

    Much thanks to all who have voiced concern about my crash..


    I'm not sure what happended I was goin down a pretty good hill with a bridge
    right at the bottom that is cocked to the left fron the hill....

    I was riding with my wife,I took a sec to glance back to see where she was
    and I must have lost my line....


    All I remember is thinkin OH Fukk!! I'm going off the bridge!!!! .
    My wife found me unconscious laying under bridge,my bike was hanging
    off the bridge with the front wheel turned backwards...

    I tried to get up once I awoke but couldn't, holy **** it hurt!!!

    I have a serious contusion right below my collarbone on my front side
    I was in and out of it,until I got to the hospital....

    Nothin broke though,my helmet is srcatched up also......
    good to hear that the bike is ok. Whew....

    might want to have a good look at that helmet. If you hit the ground with it hit the store for a new one. Better safe than sorry when it comes to helmets and your head.

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    Glad your OK , heal quickly , get a new helmet .

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    Funny cartoon picassomoon, but if you are alluding to this discussion, its would seem that both charactures would be claiming to have a baseball that is not in plain sight.
    I would buy the damn bike if it was called the Decepticon! Maybe make another one in red white and blue and call it the Optimus Prime! They wouldn't be able to keep those things on the shelf!

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    Wow, you must of had some sort of head injury to be going in and out of consciousness like that. Glad you are okay.
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    hello paco664,

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanGennick
    I crashed hard this spring, trying to ride over a two-inch thick branch. (Yes, I am that lame). It all happened so fast that I didn't even have time to formulate any thoughts at all. So I sorta know how you must've felt.

    Glad nothing was broken.

    So what bike does your wife ride? It's nice she goes out w/you. Mine is more in to sewing than riding.


    My wife has the Mongoose womens XR 75 ..I've rode it a bit,I don't like it a bit either..

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    I am happy with my purchase, I think its a nice bike for the money. I couldn't care less about who makes the frame. All I know is it rides nice & is fun to ride, I've been doing 5-10mi a day ever since I got it a little over a week ago. I went to walmart looking for the genesis 29', which the website said they in stock, but they must have sold it. I got lucky because I don't think it would have been as nice of a bike, it was pre-assembled the only thing I had to do was adjust the brakes (super easy) as they were rubbing. I would definitely recommend it as a good starter bike.Mongoose Deception-img_20101104_211658.jpg

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    Good job! Times two...

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS
    Glad your OK , heal quickly , get a new helmet .
    ^^X2^^

    Really glad that you did not break anything..

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Awesome pics...

    jcrip---

    Unbelievable bike for 200 bucks...I like the gray decals on the down tube, set against the
    green paint.. a kind of an understatement, and not garish, like I imagined them to be...

    An extra thanks for the two pics of the frame brace/curved brace at the rear drop out. I am
    surprised at the fact that there is a rear axle quick release (!).. Some WM statements said that the bike only had (or mentioned) a front axle quick release.. figured it being left out was
    a cost cutting detail, but there it is..

    Matter of fact: the whole bike screams of the K.I.S.S. principle...

    Thanks again..

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Mongoose/Walmart Warranty work..

    I found this:

    A: For parts purchases or warranty claims concerning bikes purchased at Wal-mart, Target,
    or Toys-R-Us, you'll need to contact our Mongoose service team at 1-800-626-2811 prompt 1.
    You'll need to have your model number and date code (found on a small sticker near the
    bottom bracket) for them to be able to process your order.

    Does anyone know if this sticker (and it's number) is stuck onto a Deception 29er??

    Being ignorant of the above fact, I would have figured that this sticker was for Walmart
    inventory control and it would be gone in a heart beat, only to jab me in the arse later..

    Just a F.Y.I.

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    how much does it weigh?

    I need

    - inexpensive city-bike (coupled to a trailer) to run errands
    - needs to handle snow

    I think the Deception fits the bill nicely.

    Main thing is weight, have you weighed it? I'm guessing 34 lbs.

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    WalMart claims 38lbs, with a shipping weight of 41.85lbs

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mongoose-D...00000003229140

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    WalMart claims 38lbs, with a shipping weight of 41.85lbs

    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mongoose-D...00000003229140
    A reviewer is claiming 33.7 lbs after the kickstand is removed:

    Well worth the money, 10/28/2010
    The deception has decent wheel sets and tires Modus and innovas. It comes equipt with a derailer hanger, the bike weighs 33.7 lbs after you remove the kick stand, thats great for a wal-mart bike and being a 29er, The feature I would to pass on to others is it travels down the trail just fine and I dont baby it, I would recomend getting it professionally tuned.The grip shift max's twist shifters work good after they break in , And the Shimano tourney derailers are not bad,The element front forks are stiff which is good you can always up grade in the future.Hats off to wal-mart putting a decent 29er on the rack. Over all great value for the price.

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    thanks for the pics, post some more if you get a chance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chimpanzee00
    A reviewer is claiming 33.7 lbs after the kickstand is removed:

    haha a 4lb kickstand
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    I just gave my bike a good looking over since my crash,some pretty good scratches
    the chain came off...nothing is bent or broke,rims are still true..

    I don't think it can be beat for $200.....

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    i went and picked up a deception today.... i did get the 20$ 2 year extended warranty for in case it breaks... ....

    anyway... soon as i got it home the pedals and kickstand came off... then the seat was changed... then i put a different stem and handlebars.... and i will wait till the other stuff *(like BB and dérailleurs) to break before i change them........ it has shimano tourney components ..... i will put some hyd calipers on sometime in the near future.... snatched all the reflectors off......

    first impressions.... solid... heavy.... the stickers came off with no effort at all and now the bike is naked...... rode it around the street a bit... no odd noises yet....the front end is basic and unadjustable.....

    the frame is 17" but i fit on it fine *(i am 6'3" and 225).....
    tires/wheels are pretty decent quality.... i feel it was worth the admission fee.... i will post up when i break and replace stuff....

    i did have to half reassemble it due to finding THIS......




    but after that here are some more........






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    I'm 6' 230lbs & bought the Deception about two weeks ago to lose some weight & have some fun doing it. I hadn't touched a bike in 10 years, and a bike with these features would have been over $1,000 ten years ago. So far, like Houndog (glad you're OK!), I think it's great & my fat old ass is having a blast!. The only pavement the bike has touched was the Walmart parking lot. I live in the desert & that's where it's ridden. And it's hard riding. Hard pack & soft dirt, rocks, sandy washes, snake & ground squirrel holes, dead branches & brush, cactus, etc. The 29” wheels sure smooth things out way better than a 26er, and I'm much more comfortable a this bigger bike.

    I bought it assembled and took it straight to the local bike shop & had them do a tune-up & put puncture resistant tubes & sealant in the stock tires. I can't get the front derailleur dialed in to the shifter, but that's a minor issue & might take it back to the shop for adjustment. Rear derailleur & shifter work great. The disk brakes also work great after some adjustment.

    Yeah, the decals are funky, especially because they're applied over flat (green) paint with a transparent decal (not clear coat paint) over the lettering. Decals do not adhere well to a flat finish. The welds on mine do look better than the photo jcrip posted. Maybe humans are still involved.

    I ditched the seat & put on my spring loaded version from my old 26” along with the riser bar ends. Also installed rear fenders (waiting for two versions of front fenders to come in from REI) to keep some of the sand/dirt out of the drive assembly, & my face & back. I'm also using Easy Lube instead of oils or wet silicone which also helps keep dirt & sand off the chain & drive. Besides the fenders & dirtboards, I think the only other mod will be a shotgun saddle/holster but don't quite have that worked out yet.

    The frame is built-for-stout. Me and the bike combined weight is around 275lbs (I also carry a bag of tools under the seat). I've done some wash jumps & bumps & come down hard enough to bottom out the front springs. So far nothing has broken except my butt. I was more concerned about the narrow alloy rims but so far haven't bent one. It uses good brand name components throughout, albeit the low end versions. I think with good maintenance practices & regular cleaning it should last very well.

    And a word to the pretentious prats that find fault in lesser bikes – There's always someone with a “better” bike than yours. Do the $2,500 bike owners make fun of the $600 bikes? Do the $5,000 bike owners insult the $2,500 owners? Who gives a rat's butt? If I break this bike I might consider upgrading to a better one. But it's this bike that got me back into riding & I'm having fun with it. And that's good enough. Hoping to learn some things here & seems more civil than some of the other forums I checked out regarding the Walgoose.

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    Good job! Keeps on getting better..

    HA!! Looks like Houndog 45's thread just keeps on getting better and better...

    And, it IS a civilized thread, I think.

    ALL of the pictures have been great so far..I smell a Walgoose 29er "fan club"..

    I am tickled that my original hunch was correct.

    The bike is a good value.

    Keep the good posts coming.

    Steady Eddie.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! for: Member Desertguns----

    When in the High Desert south of Bend, Oregon, I carry my shotgun in a holster..

    http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm

    Off topic, I know, but...

    You are most welcome...

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    I received an email from Wally World and it said something about a big sale this weekend, so just on a hunch I went to their site and seen a bunch a bikes on sale this weekend. Competition with Kmart's "Before Black Friday" sale.
    Brought up the Deception and seen the ad changed to in store.... Hmmmm?

    Rode down to my nearest Wally World and talked to the bicycle "assembler", he told me he has two in the box in the back but refused to show me them or even the color! Said something about a sale starting Sunday morning, this morning! Also he pointed out the feature sale bike rack on the endcap where several 20" bikes on sale for 49 bucks were and he said the Deception would be there in the morning! On sale?!
    Cryminney! I may get a Deception for less than 199 bucks!

    I'll post real soon on this........

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcrip
    I am happy with my purchase, I think its a nice bike for the money. I couldn't care less about who makes the frame. All I know is it rides nice & is fun to ride, I've been doing 5-10mi a day ever since I got it a little over a week ago. I went to walmart looking for the genesis 29', which the website said they in stock, but they must have sold it. I got lucky because I don't think it would have been as nice of a bike, it was pre-assembled the only thing I had to do was adjust the brakes (super easy) as they were rubbing. I would definitely recommend it as a good starter bike.Click image for larger version. 

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    I want to mount a (disc-compatible) rear-rack, which requires an eyelet near the rear dropout. Looking at the above pictures, I can't seem to see one. Unless, it's hidden by the QR (in your pictures). Can you tell me if there IS an eyelet?

    [ actually, those 2 silvery things near the QR, seem to be the eyelets ]



    The rack requires an eyelet near the seat-stay (upper rack mount), but your pictures indicate there is none.

    Planetbike has a Versarack (adjustable, to handle 29" tires), which has rubber-coated brackets to substitute as eyelets:

    https://ecom1.planetbike.com/4004.html
    https://planetbike.com/files/4004-inst.pdf

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    I now realize the above might not work, since the seat-stays are so LOW (below the level of the top of the rear-tire). I might need a JandD "mono stay adapter", to act as "substitute eyelets":

    https://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FMONO

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    Smile Rack options...

    chimp--

    Thank you for your post--

    You are correct in figuring that you need a "disc brake compatible" rear rack.
    And the seat post mount is needed, too.

    Problem being (unless you just don't care) is rust on the mount. That mount
    appears to be of a mild steel construction and, up here in the Great Pacific
    Northwet, it would rust overnight, thus looking terrible. They DO make alloy
    (Al) U-bolts and you can buy them at
    an electrical supply house (cheap) and you can buy the "strap" material,
    also in alloy (and thicker for strength) at Lowe's or Home Depot. Bend it in
    your vise. You can drill and tap (to M5 metric) this strap,
    and eliminate the attaching nuts on the back side (just use blue loc-tite on the threads)..

    At Radio Shack (the Shack) you can buy heat shrink tubing for the alloy U-bolt.
    so that it won't mark up the seat post..

    A true, lightweight, rust-free, mount, that you built yourself, for about $2.50...

    You can run the alloy parts up against a buffing wheel (using the white rouge) and
    they will look like chrome.

    Then clean them with alcohol and lightly mist on a rattle-can clear-coat and you are done

    Steady Eddie.

    p.s.--OTOH, if you don't feel "crafty", you can probably clear coat the mild steel stuff to prevent rust, too.
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    went for a ride this A.M. and had a blast..... it i got 2 punctures in the rear tire and discovered that my patch kit wasn't in my camelbak like it should be

    *(why did you take it out and put it on the coffee table honey?? ohhh... ok that makes total sense.... but seriously don't you think it would have been a better idea to have left it where i had it so i could use it instead of carrying this monster out of the woods??? ).............

    **(i love my wife)...

    anyway in the short bit i was able to ride it i thought it handled well.... it didn't fall apart... no weird noises.... it didn't attempt to hurt any innocent bystanders....

    *(altho i did notice when i was riding across a wooden bridge it seemed like it wanted to throw me off on my head so hounddog should be careful... it could be bred into it...)

    will ride again tomorrow *(now that tire is repaired...) and hopefully will be able to properly wring it out...

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    Took the plunge!

    I bought mine in the box and took it home.... had it assembled in less than an hour and talk about simple! Off came the kickstand, reflectors some decals, even the head badge fell off.... I'll make my own!

    Rode it for about two hours and went about 12 miles with lots of rough terrain, the Goose did very well and my first on 29s.... rolled over just about everything. Yes it is sort of heavy but the big wheels and decent gearing power it on.... and it is faster than my Goosey Blackcomb, as smooth as my Giant 26"

    Derailleurs need touch up and rear brake is a bit sloppy, front is good.... Would be nice to have Small Block eights!

    Some pics.... (Brought my good camera)


    poikaa .... Sold on the goose 29er!
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    Here is a better picture, hope it helps. There are two eyelets on each side of the bike, & they are threaded.

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    Wally World and talked to the bicycle "assembler", he told me he has two in the box in the back but refused to show me them or even the color! Said something about a sale starting Sunday morning, this morning!
    Only one of three stores near my home had the deception in stock. The only store that did have it, kept them in the back un-assembled. They only had three in stock and did not know they existed until I asked to see one. They are pre-assembled as was stated earlier. There is no sale going on for the Deception this weekend in California.

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    Good job! This weekend's Sale--

    momo--

    No sale prices on the Deception here, either..200 bucks, or you don't get one.

    We received a WM sale "booklet" with our Sunday paper And, the Deception 29er
    was shown in it. And, yes the Marketing Guys STILL are screwed up, having listed as *boys*
    bike, and not as an Adult bike. A "boy" had better be over 5 foot 10 inches, or he ain't gonna fit it.

    But the good news is that, although the Deception is listed as full price, ALL of the bike accessories
    are on sale at a percentage off list price. WM carries all of the Bell Line of parts, and even has
    Carbon Fiber bottle holders!! And, if they do not have what you want, they can order it, all at
    the sale price. They even have a suspension seat post available.

    They seem to be trickling a few Deceptions out to a few select stores.

    I did like others here, have done, and went out online, and it said the Deception is in my local
    store, so I may get the chance this morning to actually look at one..

    Steady Eddie

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    Well I finally got to take a look at the Deception and now have some time to go into a little more detail. I was being rushed by the Walmart employee becuase they had to pull the box out of the back. So, no pictures. None were on the floor as I mentioned earlier and they were all still in the box. The staff didn't even know such a bike existed. Although I am sure that welding varies based on chance at the factory, the bike I saw overall looked pretty bad. As Tony Caruso stated the down tube is quite large and tapered at the end. Retracting my earlier statements, it can't be any other frame.

    However I would add its likely the best bike walmart is selling now, but thats not saying much I guess. I had a chance to compare it to everything else the've got on the floor except the Genesis and the Impasse. The wheels are not something I would like to use, but still look stronger than the other stuff they are selling. I would say as someone else said earlier, the bike should be good for a summer to decide if you like 29ers. It won't last beyond that. If they sold it for less than $200, say a little over $100 and if it came with a rigid fork, I would say get it. But at $200 its simply to much for the quality level of the bike. Maybe they will drop the price around Black Firday time? Sorry to those that got into a heated exchange with me, but thats how I probe out answers. By being a very annoying devils advocate.

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    I think it fits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    Well I finally got to take a look at the Deception and now have some time to go into a little more detail. I was being rushed by the Walmart employee becuase they had to pull the box out of the back. So, no pictures. None were on the floor as I mentioned earlier and they were all still in the box. The staff didn't even know such a bike existed. Although I am sure that welding varies based on chance at the factory, the bike I saw overall looked pretty bad. As Tony Caruso stated the down tube is quite large and tapered at the end. Retracting my earlier statements, it can't be any other frame.

    However I would add its likely the best bike walmart is selling now, but thats not saying much I guess. I had a chance to compare it to everything else the've got on the floor except the Genesis and the Impasse. The wheels are not something I would like to use, but still look stronger than the other stuff they are selling. I would say as someone else said earlier, the bike should be good for a summer to decide if you like 29ers. It won't last beyond that. If they sold it for less than $200, say a little over $100 and if it came with a rigid fork, I would say get it. But at $200 its simply to much for the quality level of the bike. Maybe they will drop the price around Black Firday time? Sorry to those that got into a heated exchange with me, but thats how I probe out answers. By being a very annoying devils advocate.

    Only time will tell..............I still think you can't beat it for $200

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    Only time will tell..............I still think you can't beat it for $200
    They wouldn't let me take it completely out of the box. I could only peer inside the open top of the box and reach my hand in. I was able to take the front wheel out and examine it. There are many reported problems on the Walmart site for this bike. Broken seatpost is most common, I'll also bet the handle bar isn't much stronger and will snap in a similar way. The stem and headset looked good enough though. The grip shifts are SRAM and looked like the ones I see for sale in retail channels. The disc brakes as far as I could tell, would likley be functional if adjusted correctly. The rear cassette and crankset are junk and will easliy die a quick death along with the rear derailleur. The front derailleur isn't all that great but I can't imagine any reason for it to spontaneously combust. The wheel set IF built right could last, but I think they would need to be looked over immediately after purchase. The fork looks like complete junk and I am not sure why they didn't go with a rigid fork. It would have made the bike even less expensive.

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    Looks like that 'goose could be a good rigid SS 29er

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    They wouldn't let me take it completely out of the box. I could only peer inside the open top of the box and reach my hand in. I was able to take the front wheel out and examine it. There are many reported problems on the Walmart site for this bike. Broken seatpost is most common, I'll also bet the handle bar isn't much stronger and will snap in a similar way. The stem and headset looked good enough though. The grip shifts are SRAM and looked like the ones I see for sale in retail channels. The disc brakes as far as I could tell, would likley be functional if adjusted correctly. The rear cassette and crankset are junk and will easliy die a quick death along with the rear derailleur. The front derailleur isn't all that great but I can't imagine any reason for it to spontaneously combust. The wheel set IF built right could last, but I think they would need to be looked over immediately after purchase. The fork looks like complete junk and I am not sure why they didn't go with a rigid fork. It would have made the bike even less expensive.
    Mine is working well and the shifters have broken in and rather quickly, so far all is well. I would not try to push the bike but it is good for a casual ride!
    This winter I am going to take it down and lube everything. I may try to boost the height of the frame at the fork tube. Brakes are good but the rear are a little weak, might be a cable adjustment or maybe a cable is too long. The rear derailleur is part plastic and I cannot see it lasting too long, as long as you shift it 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, then 7,6,5,4,3,2,1 it should last. Cassette is cheap but the hub looks to be good as with the front. I do not like the seat and may change it out, it is like a pine board!
    The paint job is interesting but thin, seems to be a color change with black as the fade away. It too will need a paint job sometime. I tipped the bike as I rode it and the wheels did not creak and held true, spokes are cheap steel. I spun it around in a eight by eight foot square, standing on the pedals so I think it is well balanced. The fork is cheap and a ridged would be better or a more expensive suspension, maybe a lefty? The BB is cheap, same as on my Blackcomb but seems to hold up good. Aluminum pedals and not bad ones at that! Must be all the recycled Budweiser cans!
    Front gear set is riveted and cheap steel, chain is good. Bars seem good but the twisty shifters gotta go soon.... I prefer clickers! I think the brake and shift cables are cheap as the seems to relay the movement with a delay. Rims seem ok but the tires dig in too much, better off with small blocks and the resemble Kenda Tomac Nevegals. Yeah! the bike is worth the two hundred.... to make the needed improvements one would be better off to buy a good 800 dollar Giant.

    All in all, I'm having fun for my two Bens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudymexico
    Looks like that 'goose could be a good rigid SS 29er

    Good idea!
    I think it would! Shallow drop outs, one would need an idler pulley...
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    I would buy a used bike from a local bike shop if I could. Thrifty nickle or Craig's list if that's what it takes. If you like these walgooses you will think you've died and gone to heaven on a nineties or later vintage mountain bike. 1 1/8" headtube is a bonus. If you can blog on the forums you can know. Not sure who's a shill for wally here but a word to the wise... 90's vintage bikes weren't that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    I would buy a used bike from a local bike shop if I could. Thrifty nickle or Craig's list if that's what it takes. If you like these walgooses you will think you've died and gone to heaven on a nineties or later vintage mountain bike. 1 1/8" headtube is a bonus. If you can blog on the forums you can know. Not sure who's a shill for wally here but a word to the wise... 90's vintage bikes weren't that great.

    PS If you have no choice but to ride one of these bikes I want you to know that I pray for you often, there are better day's ahead. Seriously.
    You my kind sir are not worth a real explanation and a lot of my time... But I will say you are not promoting the sport and do have your snobby ass "bike porn" attitude well noted in your over "1000" posts.

    Leave the boys alone... and be thankful they are indulging in the sport of Mtn Biking

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    The Goose is working as it should with a few well placed kicks! As soon as I get back to work, it's a Giant Talon 1 or 2 in my sights!
    A 29er is the way to go and I'll still use my 6er....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1
    You my kind sir are not worth a real explanation and a lot of my time... But I will say you are not promoting the sport and do have your snobby ass "bike porn" attitude well noted in your over "1000" posts.

    Leave the boys alone... and be thankful they are indulging in the sport of Mtn Biking
    Not sure what sport you're promoting, other than patronizing ignorance. I would prefer folks know what they are getting into, and honesty is the best policy. Those bikes discourage budding riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    Those bikes discourage budding riders.
    As evidenced by the multiple discouraged riders posting in these threads?

    $400 for a bike discourages budding riders. And telling a new rider to buy used is silly unless you're going with them. Anyone who isn't already a bicycle expert will most likely get ripped off trying to buy a used bicycle, because they won't know what's junk and what's good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    As evidenced by the multiple discouraged riders posting in these threads?

    $400 for a bike discourages budding riders. And telling a new rider to buy used is silly unless you're going with them. Anyone who isn't already a bicycle expert will most likely get ripped off trying to buy a used bicycle, because they won't know what's junk and what's good.
    You think there is worse junk out there? You have a better chance of NOT getting ripped off buying used, at least there is the possibility of a decent bike. Buying used from an LBS can get you hooked into the biking community, where more experienced riders can look out for the beginner, donate used equipment, make things work out. I think you do a disservice by holding out the possibility of decent $200 bikes. They are a $25 frame with $75 worth of marginal components, not worth anywhere near $200. We are talking mountain biking right?
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    Good job! Amen, brother...

    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    As evidenced by the multiple discouraged riders posting in these threads?

    $400 for a bike discourages budding riders. And telling a new rider to buy used is silly unless you're going with them. Anyone who isn't already a bicycle expert will most likely get ripped off trying to buy a used bicycle, because they won't know what's junk and what's good.
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    I couldn't say this any better..thank you. If a Deception 29er owner keeps it lubed and adjusted, it will last a good long time.

    Has anyone ran a button magnet over it yet?? Which parts are mild steel?? It does seem
    to be heavy for what it is. Also, should you decide to remove the OE kickstand, be aware
    that it maybe a one-of-a-kind unit, made length appropriate for a 29er..consider saving it to a drawer, or a Shop shelf, it may be difficult to replace, IF you ever decide to go back.

    I think that each Deception Owner should dis-assemble the BB and the headset to be "sure" that they are lubed correctly...it is a known issue that the Walgoose's are shipped short on grease.

    I tried to find out what the expected life span of the stock, Shimano Tourney SIS rear derailleur is...
    found nothing other than a bunch of 4 and 5 star ratings from users.

    Ride it out smiling..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    I think you do a disservice by holding out the possibility of decent $200 bikes. They are a $25 frame with $75 worth of marginal components, not worth anywhere near $200. We are talking mountain biking right?
    Well well bsied, you sound more and more like a bike snob. And you just don't get it... so let me help you out.

    I live next to a Urban Trail system... I pretty much ride everyday and see a lot of new riders on all sorts of mtn bikes. Most have 50 lbs of air in there tires, have there shocks setup wrong, and many already have bloody legs and cut up hands from sliding out on our loose over hard pack. People like you see new riders and note there cheap ass equipment and make snotty comments like: "a better bike will make you a better rider". Whereas I will stop and give my time to the new riders... help them find there way around the trails and offer some advice on how best to setup there equipment. It doesn't make a damn if they're on a brand new 29" stump jumper like yours or a $200 wal mart bike... new riders need support... and who is better to give them some encouragement than seasoned rider's! They sure don't need you telling them there equipment is not up to the challenge because they didn't pay $3,000 at the local bike shop for the privilege of riding. As they mature as riders, they will understand the need for better equipment.

    If a seasoned rider is on a department store bike your not going to tell him anything about his / her equipment they don't already know. When it comes to new riders, well they may not see the value or maybe they don't have the cash to ride you brand of bike... nor do they have the skills...... So stop with all the negative remarks and step up to the plate as a mentor, supporter....and keep more people on the trails

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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    . We are talking mountain biking right?
    No, we are not. WM clearly says the Walgoose 29er is an "all terrain" bike and NOT a
    mountain bike...there is a difference..

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    You are making a lot of assumptions...

    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1
    Well well bsied, you sound more and more like a bike snob. And you just don't get it... so let me help you out.

    I live next to a Urban Trail system... I pretty much ride everyday and see a lot of new riders on all sorts of mtn bikes. Most have 50 lbs of air in there tires, have there shocks setup wrong, and many already have bloody legs and cut up hands from sliding out on our loose over hard pack. People like you see new riders and note there cheap ass equipment and make snotty comments like: "a better bike will make you a better rider". Whereas I will stop and give my time to the new riders... help them find there way around the trails and offer some advice on how best to setup there equipment. It doesn't make a damn if they're on a brand new 29" stump jumper like yours or a $200 wal mart bike... new riders need support... and who is better to give them some encouragement than seasoned rider's! They sure don't need you telling them there equipment is not up to the challenge because they didn't pay $3,000 at the local bike shop for the privilege of riding. As they mature as riders, they will understand the need for better equipment.


    If a seasoned rider is on a department store bike your not going to tell him anything about his / her equipment they don't already know. When it comes to new riders, well they may not see the value or maybe they don't have the cash to ride you brand of bike... nor do they have the skills...... So stop with all the negative remarks and step up to the plate as a mentor, supporter....and keep more people on the trails
    which is typical of those who don't know. I don't ride a $3000 bike, I ride a Karate Monkey with a cheap wheelset and no gears. Who said anything about confronting new riders about their equipment? I'll bet (rhetorically, at least) I have done more to introduce new riders to the sport than you have, including donating new and used equipment and mechanic services to novices who want to ride, even building trails for them to ride on. I find one ride on a suitable bike is all it takes to open up the possibilities. Those walgooses aren't suitable bikes and usually just serve to discourage the novice from ever riding again. Waste of time and money, if that's your thing more power to you but don't sucker others into wasting what little they have. I think the concept of getting new riders into a group of experienced riders who can help them was my suggestion, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
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    I couldn't say this any better..thank you. If a Deception 29er owner keeps it lubed and adjusted, it will last a good long time.

    Has anyone ran a button magnet over it yet?? Which parts are mild steel?? It does seem
    to be heavy for what it is. Also, should you decide to remove the OE kickstand, be aware
    that it maybe a one-of-a-kind unit, made length appropriate for a 29er..consider saving it to a drawer, or a Shop shelf, it may be difficult to replace, IF you ever decide to go back.

    I think that each Deception Owner should dis-assemble the BB and the headset to be "sure" that they are lubed correctly...it is a known issue that the Walgoose's are shipped short on grease.

    I tried to find out what the expected life span of the stock, Shimano Tourney SIS rear derailleur is...
    found nothing other than a bunch of 4 and 5 star ratings from users.

    Ride it out smiling..

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    I just ran a magnet over mine.... Here is what is steel.... Skewers, fork tubes, spokes, brake discs, all gears, chain, seat frame, parts of the derailleurs and most of the fasteners.
    Kept the "ouch" stand and I will lube it soon!
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    New question here. Good to know--

    Poikaa--

    Good to know where most of the Deception's gross weight is coming from..

    Thank you..

    The AL 6061 rear chain stays are very soft as compared to that heavy steel chain..
    perhaps a chain stay "protector" is in order..??

    What say you??

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    I had no idea this would cause such a stir....

    I just went and threw mine in the dumpster and went to the bank
    and borrowed 20,000 for new Top of the line Carbon 29ers for the wife and I..


    Whewww!! Now I can just ride and not worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    Poikaa--

    Good to know where most of the Deception's gross weight is coming from..

    Thank you..

    The AL 6061 rear chain stays are very soft as compared to that heavy steel chain..
    perhaps a chain stay "protector" is in order..??

    What say you??

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    It came with a decal protector, foam or cloth would do better. This thread has been fun and will live on! My Goose 29er is a stepping stone to a better one. I have to say that this is a good "bang for the buck" bike..... ☺☺☺☺

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    I had no idea this would cause such a stir....

    I just went and threw mine in the dumpster and went to the bank
    and borrowed 20,000 for new Top of the line Carbon 29ers for the wife and I..


    Whewww!! Now I can just ride and not worry.
    Could you go get that out of the dumpster for me?? I can use it alongside my other Walmart 29er (Genesis BigEZ(the orange one)). My wife will be needing a bike soon- hell, I would even pay for you to ship it if all you are going to do is throw it away.

    BTW-- I can sense the sarcasm in your comment...just had to ask for Dumpster rights first anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    No, we are not. WM clearly says the Walgoose 29er is an "all terrain" bike and NOT a
    mountain bike...there is a difference..

    S.E.
    well.... the one i bought has had the living hell "all terrained" out of it today............ it is now a SS running 28x20 gearing and had hydraulic brakes a different stem and alloy handlebars... and has had everything i could remove from it removed..... a new set of ebay forks are being delivered by the little brown santa claus.....

    i took it through markham park today and hit every trail *(this is the miami/ft lauderdale areas best MTB park with ~15 miles of trail from beginner to dbl red diamond pro/expert) i had no issues at all nor did i break anything... and i was trying......

    i am very happy with this bike and the only thing i have left to change out is the BB and wheelsets......... i will wait till they break before i replace them........

    all these parts i had laying around doing nothing... so i put them on this frame.....

    so i will keep beating on this thing till i break it......... i am willing to bet it lasts longer than the ~4000$ carbon fiber specialized that i saw break in half today..... that poor dude got hurt pretty good..... and after spending all that money on a "quality" bike.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramzious
    Could you go get that out of the dumpster for me?? I can use it alongside my other Walmart 29er (Genesis BigEZ(the orange one)). My wife will be needing a bike soon- hell, I would even pay for you to ship it if all you are going to do is throw it away.

    BTW-- I can sense the sarcasm in your comment...just had to ask for Dumpster rights first anyway.
    make sure and text me saturday before heading to markham..... 2 walgooses at the same time.....



    we might get arrested by the MTB police.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    make sure and text me saturday before heading to markham..... 2 walgooses at the same time.....



    we might get arrested by the MTB police.....

    Now when poor and sucky movies were made, they developed a following and then became cult classics.....

    That is what I thot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    Now when poor and sucky movies were made, they developed a following and then became cult classics.....

    That is what I thot!

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    Hey Guys – Looking for some help here. I mentioned in my first post that I was having trouble with the front derailleur. I called the bike shop that did the initial tune-up & asked them if they would charge me another fee to fix the problem. I thought it should have been covered & told then I had tried to adjust it myself but was still having problems. I was told that it was to be expected due to “inferior” components.

    I’m not buying it. I think if I shift to 1-2-or 3, the derailleur should follow, even if I have low-end parts. As it is, I have to sometimes look down at the crank gear set to see why it’s grinding or not where the derailleur should be. One click up or down solves the problem, but it’s annoying & in certain situations can be hazardous. Suggestions? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    Hey Guys – Looking for some help here. I mentioned in my first post that I was having trouble with the front derailleur. I called the bike shop that did the initial tune-up & asked them if they would charge me another fee to fix the problem. I thought it should have been covered & told then I had tried to adjust it myself but was still having problems. I was told that it was to be expected due to “inferior” components.

    I’m not buying it. I think if I shift to 1-2-or 3, the derailleur should follow, even if I have low-end parts. As it is, I have to sometimes look down at the crank gear set to see why it’s grinding or not where the derailleur should be. One click up or down solves the problem, but it’s annoying & in certain situations can be hazardous. Suggestions? Thanks!
    Easy to do your self.... here is a link that will guide you through the process....

    http://bicycletutor.com/adjust-front-derailer/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    Hey Guys – Looking for some help here.
    Suggestions? Thanks!
    How about going to a 1 by X setup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    Poikaa--

    Good to know where most of the Deception's gross weight is coming from..

    Thank you..

    The AL 6061 rear chain stays are very soft as compared to that heavy steel chain..
    perhaps a chain stay "protector" is in order..??

    What say you??

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    LMAO! Well, I’ve had some thermodynamics courses over the years, and I can understand why a purist would be concerned about the difference between +/-38 lbs & +/-28lbs. In the real world, with the caveat - depending on your specific riding conditions - it makes very little difference. I beat the crap out of this bike in the desert around my house & BLM mountains nearby. With the exception of the frame, the more steel parts it has, the better. In my particular case, the best way to get rid of 20lbs of bike weight, is if I lose it! Which is why I started riding again. IMHO…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    Easy to do your self.... here is a link that will guide you through the process....

    http://bicycletutor.com/adjust-front-derailer/

    poikaa
    Thanks, Poikaa - Better than most of what I've read. It also says, "If it does rub, you can adjust the trim by tweaking the barrel adjuster on your front shift lever." Do we have that on the Walgoose? In Vegas this week & don't have the SRAM manual with me. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudymexico
    How about going to a 1 by X setup?
    Thanks, rudy, but I'm too novice to know what that means,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    Thanks, Poikaa - Better than most of what I've read. It also says, "If it does rub, you can adjust the trim by tweaking the barrel adjuster on your front shift lever." Do we have that on the Walgoose? In Vegas this week & don't have the SRAM manual with me. Thanks!

    Yes, The adjuster is the black cone that threads on the shifter body. I do not think much about this shifter but it works! I prefer a clicker....

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    well.... the one i bought has had the living hell "all terrained" out of it today............ it is now a SS running 28x20 gearing and had hydraulic brakes a different stem and alloy handlebars... and has had everything i could remove from it removed..... a new set of ebay forks are being delivered by the little brown santa claus.....

    i took it through markham park today and hit every trail *(this is the miami/ft lauderdale areas best MTB park with ~15 miles of trail from beginner to dbl red diamond pro/expert) i had no issues at all nor did i break anything... and i was trying......

    i am very happy with this bike and the only thing i have left to change out is the BB and wheelsets......... i will wait till they break before i replace them........

    all these parts i had laying around doing nothing... so i put them on this frame.....

    so i will keep beating on this thing till i break it......... i am willing to bet it lasts longer than the ~4000$ carbon fiber specialized that i saw break in half today..... that poor dude got hurt pretty good..... and after spending all that money on a "quality" bike.......
    Pics or it didn't happen. Not that I would still understand why you would choose to go this route exactly, there have to be equally cheap ways to get a frame that is probably lighter to hang all your parts on. Maybe not.

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    ... and if we just ... Thermodynamics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    LMAO! Well, I’ve had some thermodynamics courses over the years, and I can understand why a purist would be concerned about the difference between +/-38 lbs & +/-28lbs. In the real world, with the caveat - depending on your specific riding conditions - it makes very little difference. I beat the crap out of this bike in the desert around my house & BLM mountains nearby. With the exception of the frame, the more steel parts it has, the better. In my particular case, the best way to get rid of 20lbs of bike weight, is if I lose it! Which is why I started riding again. IMHO…
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    A couple of things here: Yes, steel IS the strongest of the two, vs, alloy.

    But, for my use near the salt water, steel rusts badly. From what I understand from the posts on here, even the single gauge spokes are mild steel. One day at the beach and those spoke nipples would be welded/rusted solid to the spokes I'm thinking. Any further wheel truing would be a hassle at best. So, for me anyway, the answer would be to go to Stainless Steel DB spokes and matching spoke nipples. Along with a tiny coat of Never-Seize on the threaded end....

    My point about the chain stay protector came from a post that I read on here, where the poster's front derailleur came so far out of adjustment that it missed the lower stop and blasted his chain right off to the inside of the small front chainwheel. By the time he got stopped, the steel chain had torn into the AL 6061 chainstay and had nearly cut it in two.
    An easily avoided situation..

    So far as lightening up the Deception goes, you would be pleasantly surprised..a lighter $200 bike would plant a big ol' smile on your face..

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    Idea! Protector...

    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    It came with a decal protector, foam or cloth would do better. This thread has been fun and will live on! My Goose 29er is a stepping stone to a better one. I have to say that this is a good "bang for the buck" bike..... ☺☺☺☺

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    Your great photo of your Deception makes for great "wallpaper" on my PC..thank you.

    I think a velcro-fastened cloth protector would be the best as you can zip it off there and rinse it clean.

    A 'better" seat is as close as your nearest WM..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    I had no idea this would cause such a stir....

    I just went and threw mine in the dumpster and went to the bank
    and borrowed 20,000 for new Top of the line Carbon 29ers for the wife and I..


    Whewww!! Now I can just ride and not worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Pics or it didn't happen. Not that I would still understand why you would choose to go this route exactly, there have to be equally cheap ways to get a frame that is probably lighter to hang all your parts on. Maybe not.
    i did it "just because i could".......... i ran it today 28x20 and although a bit "spinny" i thoroughly enjoyed the ride because it was dead silent and i didn't have to worry about being in the right gear.... i just worried about "push the pedal harder"....... i really really like and enjoy this bike.... altho the only think left that is "original" are the wheelsets and the seat stem and that cooked spaghetti front fork.....

    it really is not a bad bike....

    i took these photos 2 mins ago just for you... enjoy!!!

    p.s. that green stuff on the rear rim is slime..... i spilled the hell out of it trying to put some in the tube..... apparently i cannot do that without painting half my house/driveway/truck/dog/wife bright green...... lol....










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    Few pics from today's ride.... Not many good rides left for this year in "Da U.P." !

    This is part of a snowmobile trail and some parts are used by the "Ore to Shore" MTB race.

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    Last one is a pic is of an old Caterpillar, old enough to have a clutch....
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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    make sure and text me saturday before heading to markham..... 2 walgooses at the same time.....



    we might get arrested by the MTB police.....
    Mine is the Orange Genesis...but set up rigid now...so the MTB cops shouldn't be able to spot us as easy. I mean, a Flock of Walgeese....now that would be easy to spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    i did it "just because i could".......... i ran it today 28x20 and although a bit "spinny" i thoroughly enjoyed the ride because it was dead silent and i didn't have to worry about being in the right gear.... i just worried about "push the pedal harder"....... i really really like and enjoy this bike.... altho the only think left that is "original" are the wheelsets and the seat stem and that cooked spaghetti front fork.....

    it really is not a bad bike....



    How heavy is it now? Looks good tricked out like that! Seems this bike is begging to be personalized....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    How heavy is it now? Looks good tricked out like that! Seems this bike is begging to be personalized....

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    34.3lbs according to digital bathroom scales...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramzious
    Mine is the Orange Genesis...but set up rigid now...so the MTB cops shouldn't be able to spot us as easy. I mean, a Flock of Walgeese....now that would be easy to spot.
    walgeese.....

    i swear i am gonna make a stencil at work and paint "walgoose" on this thing.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    34.3lbs according to digital bathroom scales...
    New crank set should drop a lb or so, single gear in back should be good for another two! Pushing 30 LBS....
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    Curious about the fork, is it functional? Like the po' boy look, btw. I happened to be at WaWo buying some high rise thong underwear yesterday and thought to check out the bikes. They had the Genesis and and the Deception displayed. The fact that you can stick real parts on them is cool. It didn't look as bad in person as in some of the pics, which ain't saying it looked good, but I doubt those wheels are capable of handling of what I ride, which is not all that bad. Wish someone would try the frame with real parts on some western mtb singletrack and report back in a few weeks/months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    Curious about the fork, is it functional? Like the po' boy look, btw. I happened to be at WaWo buying some high rise thong underwear yesterday and thought to check out the bikes. They had the Genesis and and the Deception displayed. The fact that you can stick real parts on them is cool. It didn't look as bad in person as in some of the pics, which ain't saying it looked good, but I doubt those wheels are capable of handling of what I ride, which is not all that bad. Wish someone would try the frame with real parts on some western mtb singletrack and report back in a few weeks/months.
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    I far as I can tell it is an oil damped spring and not all that good.... It functions but for it to rebound you have to take your weight off it....
    The bike is a potential buildup and you could add most anything.... I think the wheels are good and should last, spokes are another debate....
    Here is a pic from another post illustrating a strength the Goose has....

    I would presume the frame flexes at this point because of the forces are focused, both from the impact of the axle and the rotational force of the brake. The Goose has this brace that evens out the forces and stiffens the drop out. On the top photo, maybe this style should not be used for tough riding, looking at the chain marks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    Curious about the fork, is it functional? Like the po' boy look, btw. I happened to be at WaWo buying some high rise thong underwear yesterday and thought to check out the bikes. They had the Genesis and and the Deception displayed. The fact that you can stick real parts on them is cool. It didn't look as bad in person as in some of the pics, which ain't saying it looked good, but I doubt those wheels are capable of handling of what I ride, which is not all that bad. Wish someone would try the frame with real parts on some western mtb singletrack and report back in a few weeks/months.
    meh... like a piece of wet soggy overcooked spaghetti.........

    but i have become accustomed to its short comings.... i have a new one on the way......

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    Smile Walgoose frame im[rovements:

    You must remember the fully rigid Walgoose Impasse 29er, correct?

    It had some issues that were addressed with the release of the Deception.

    It did not have the "support" tube welded into the rear brake-side triangle, like the Deception.
    The Impasse also featured a rear cassette/freewheel that snapped in two, and we do not hear
    about that now, with the Deception.

    Also, the Deception's front frame tubing join features the latest and greatest
    Walgoose Technology (an oxymoron?)) that addresses a common Al 6061
    29er frame weakness.They would flex and break at the headset. The Impasse
    had a different headset tubing weld joint.

    It appears that the "suspension" springer front fork was added as a "bonus"...

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    This thread has the greatest collection of bad information, unqualified statements of fact, and general BS about the nature of bikes and riding that I have ever beheld in a single thread.


    Congratulations!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    Just wait til the dollar store starts selling bikes...

    That's funny! I like that.....
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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ChipV
    This thread has the greatest collection of bad information, unqualified statements of fact, and general BS about the nature of bikes and riding that I have ever beheld in a single thread.


    Congratulations!!!
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    Stick around, it can only get better...thanks for the congrats..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipV
    This thread has the greatest collection of bad information, unqualified statements of fact, and general BS about the nature of bikes and riding that I have ever beheld in a single thread.


    Congratulations!!!
    we aim to please....

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    I sure get tired of all these "you're an idiot!"; "No... you're the idiot" postings. Constant flame wars do no one any good. It's a given that each person approaches this sport in their own way and with their own budget.

    A $199 WalMart bike might be the perfect choice for some people and I've personally gone down and loaded up one a friend bought because it was the only thing she could afford and it let her go out bicycling with her daughter. She is not likely to do rock gardens, ski hill descents or leg-burning climbs with it anyway. She'll just ride nice local doubletracks and chat with her kid as they go.

    I don't think it's so unreasonable to buy a $199 29'er just to see if that is going to work well for them. In fact, I'm thinking of doing it myself. And I've been riding bicycles for a long, long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washington_desert_rat
    I sure get tired of all these "you're an idiot!"; "No... you're the idiot" postings. Constant flame wars do no one any good. It's a given that each person approaches this sport in their own way and with their own budget.

    A $199 WalMart bike might be the perfect choice for some people and I've personally gone down and loaded up one a friend bought because it was the only thing she could afford and it let her go out bicycling with her daughter. She is not likely to do rock gardens, ski hill descents or leg-burning climbs with it anyway. She'll just ride nice local doubletracks and chat with her kid as they go.

    I don't think it's so unreasonable to buy a $199 29'er just to see if that is going to work well for them. In fact, I'm thinking of doing it myself. And I've been riding bicycles for a long, long time.
    Well said, wd, and kinder than I would have been. I've been out of town this week & miss beating the crap out of my Walgoose!

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    ... and if we just ... A new medical condition..??

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    I've been out of town this week & miss beating the crap out of my Walgoose!
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    Holy cow!! A case of "Walgoose Withdrawal" ---

    A new medical condition..??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
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    Holy cow!! A case of "Walgoose Withdrawal" ---

    A new medical condition..??

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    Be careful, SE, that could be construed as technically inaccurate bad information and an unqualified statements of fact!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    Be careful, SE, that could be construed as technically inaccurate bad information and an unqualified statements of fact!
    LOL now that is funny.... I hope it causes some people to feel shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsnake
    LOL now that is funny.... I hope it causes some people to feel shame

    I feel awful.

    It's bad form and downright rude to interrupt a full steam ahead fantasy fueled circle-jerk. Please accept my sincerest apology and by all means, carry on.

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    Who thought up that model name?

    I can only imagine that Mongoose and/or WalMart must be oblivious of the reputations of the big box bicycles when they give a name like "Deception" to a bicycle intended to be sold in WalMart. I guess it might be looked at as trying to fool those who deride the department store bikes but, somehow, I don't think so.

    Last week I checked out the 29'ers in REI and must admit that there were more of them on sale than I had expected. When a sales clerk asked me if I wanted to test ride any of them my wife gave me "the look". She knows that I'm an easy mark. But I was only slightly tempted by the price tags of between $800 and up and she knows that, basically, I'm cheap (as well as easy)..

    But a $199 29'er is a different matter. I managed to elude my wife at the local WalMart (which is listed as having a Deception "in stock") and tried to find one of these bikes. I circled that bike display three times but there were no 29-inch bicycles

    So between giving it a name that implies deceit... wait a minute; it actually *says* deceit... and then not bothering to display one I remain mystified in the contemplation of WalMart's marketing expertise.

    On the other hand, Sam Walton died rich.

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    I managed to elude my wife at the local WalMart (which is listed as having a Deception "in stock") and tried to find one of these bikes. I circled that bike display three times but there were no 29-inch bicycles
    In my experience they are in the back unassembled and still in the box. The employees have no idea they exist, until you ask to see one. I went to two stores near my home and a few that were on my way home from work. Only two stores had them and not a single store had one fully assembled on the floor. I am not sure what is going on, but I think they may be overlooking them assuming that it just another mountian bike that already has a display model. The Box only has a big mongoose logo with two little logos for Dorel and Pacific Cycle.

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    Couple things about WM...
    They reset their modular's a couple time per year, this wk is one of the 2 times.

    Suppliers ship the goods to the stores ahead of the set date and they are stored in the back room. Most store associates don't even know what's in the back room until they are handed the new modular drawing and told to re-set. All this should happen this week.

    Also not all stores are the same: concept known as "Store of the Community". It's almost impossible to sell hockey equipment in Florida

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    i still say if you are looking for a cheap priced bicycle with a build worthy frame this is not a bad choice....

    i am eating breakfast right now *(yes i know it is 1:15pm but i work nights) and then i am going to beat on my "deception" some more.....

    i'll let ya know as stuff breaks.... but so far the only casualty has been a plastic bash ring....

    i mean seriously... wtf makes a bash ring out of plastic??!! thats like making the front bumper of your car out of marshmallow creme....

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    ....i'll let ya know as stuff breaks.... but so far the only casualty has been a plastic bash ring....

    i mean seriously... wtf makes a bash ring out of plastic??!! thats like making the front bumper of your car out of marshmallow creme....
    I think that, while that looks like a bash ring, it is intended to be a pant leg protector/chain retainer as the majority of persons that buy bikes at big box stores are looking for something to tool around in their neighborhood and being from a big box store are rarely adjusted so that the front derailleur works within its limits.

    But using the bike offroad is sublime and will in short time, shed the detritus that doesn't enhance the off road experience. Many times I have seen on a trail reflectors or a rear cassette ring, and in lieu of being disappointed I am happy as I know someone has taken their first step towards becoming a mountain biker.

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    Also not all stores are the same: concept known as "Store of the Community". It's almost impossible to sell hockey equipment in Florida
    I live in Los Angeles CA and there are established mountain bike trails in the cities and counties along my communte to work, not to mention you can ride a bike most of the year here due to weather. So I can't say I understand why Walmart wouldn't have the Deception at every stores I visited.

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    It is a "planned" thing...

    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I live in Los Angeles CA and there are established mountain bike trails in the cities and counties along my communte to work, not to mention you can ride a bike most of the year here due to weather. So I can't say I understand why Walmart wouldn't have the Deception at every stores I visited.
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    There can be only one real explanation as to *why* the Walgoose 29er is being doled out, one bike at a time...

    They are creating an "exclusivity" with this bike...I myself have never laid my 4 eyes on one, even though the bike is supposed to be available at my local Super Walmart..?? It is not on display, and the Associate that I talked to had ever even heard of it..?? Watch for the price to go up. too.

    Piss poor welds or not, if you want one and you stumble on one (on display for sale) you should jump on it..it surely would be far better to be able to pick and choose through five or six different Deceptions and pick the best one.IMHO..

    I have been trying to figure out the name, only thing I can come up with is the book of the same name: "The Mongoose Deception"..??

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    Here is a recent pic or two.... Everything is going good but the rear derailleur is having jumping problems....

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    Idea! Cable??..

    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    Here is a recent pic or two.... Everything is going good but the rear derailleur is having jumping problems....

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    Great pics...

    May be that your rear derailleur problems are caused by cable stretch??

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    Yeah sounds like you have some derailleur adjustments to make...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    I think that, while that looks like a bash ring, it is intended to be a pant leg protector/chain retainer as the majority of persons that buy bikes at big box stores are looking for something to tool around in their neighborhood and being from a big box store are rarely adjusted so that the front derailleur works within its limits.

    But using the bike offroad is sublime and will in short time, shed the detritus that doesn't enhance the off road experience. Many times I have seen on a trail reflectors or a rear cassette ring, and in lieu of being disappointed I am happy as I know someone has taken their first step towards becoming a mountain biker.

    Enjoy.
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    i had to google that word... and thats odd because i am very well read......

    annnnnnnyway.... i fubared the front rim today on a climb of all things.... i was avoiding a rut and there was a wall to the right and the front hit it while i was in mid stroke and i literally just pushed it sideways....... so i have a nice set of bontragers on the way......

    you may ask why i am spending money fixing this obviously cheap bike that is beneath your contempt....

    i am doing it just to piss some of you guys off...*(the bike snobs).........

    that and the parts can be transferred to another bike WHEN i destroy this one.....

    for anyone counting i have put ~100+ miles of hard trail with my clydesdale butt trying hard to actually break this thing..... and so far i have managed to break......

    a plastic "pants protector" and bend a front wheel *(to be fair the wheel is repairable according to the LBS who is a very very good friend and finds the snobbery towards this bike hilarious......)

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    when I see pictures of this bike I think it just begs for a rigid fork. There is a level of control that a low level suspension fork will take away from a frame that you just have to experience. Once the fork is begining to act wonky I would pick up a take off rigid fork and ride the heck out of it. You will be a better rider for it and there will be less maintenance, leaving you more time to ride.

    The stock wheels are probably tolerable as wheels but like most machine built wheels they probably need to be adequately and evenly tensioned. I highly recommend taking the back to the shop and have them do just that, since it is still in one piece. Possibly, depending on the impact the front took, retensioning could have prevented that failure too.

    I ride regularly with a fella with a performance frame that he bought for $89, then added parts through bike swaps and such to have a nice competent single speed converted bike that is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher

    It's not what you have it is what you do with it that counts!
    you are absolutely correct sir!!!!


    as for the fork it suffers greatly under my 225# butt.... so i have one on the way from EvilBAY...

    and there is a take off rigid in the shadows at my buddies shop should i decide i want it......

    i will also be changing the BB out this week to a higher quality one....*(not really necessary at this moment but i am shaving weight off of it and i want a single ring front and back)

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    i had to google that word... and thats odd because i am very well read......

    annnnnnnyway.... i fubared the front rim today on a climb of all things.... i was avoiding a rut and there was a wall to the right and the front hit it while i was in mid stroke and i literally just pushed it sideways....... so i have a nice set of bontragers on the way......

    you may ask why i am spending money fixing this obviously cheap bike that is beneath your contempt....

    i am doing it just to piss some of you guys off...*(the bike snobs).........

    that and the parts can be transferred to another bike WHEN i destroy this one.....

    for anyone counting i have put ~100+ miles of hard trail with my clydesdale butt trying hard to actually break this thing..... and so far i have managed to break......

    a plastic "pants protector" and bend a front wheel *(to be fair the wheel is repairable according to the LBS who is a very very good friend and finds the snobbery towards this bike hilarious......)
    Bravo Paco!

    I am not a serious biker but I take my biking serious!

    With that the Deception is more of a " Where the hell am I?" bike and it will point me to what I need in a bike in the future.... The "detritus" will fall off or I will help it go away! I'm a newbe so I need the gears for now and I will adjust the derailleur as suggested, I understand cable stretch.... I am amazed the this "interloper" bike has gotten all this attention and the "snobbery" rolls off my back like water on a polish and it is a spit shine at that! So keep on spitting on the Mongoose my friends, it is making the bike shine in a light fantastic....

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    tonight at work if i have the time i will make stencils saying "walgoose" and i will spray paint that on the down tube in some bright possibly florescent color........

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    What a difference a day makes!

    This was not wanted but I guess a new challenge!

    The Goose did well with the 29er wheels and good traction with the lugs. Just slushy snow and it might be gone in a day.... Ice might be something else!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    But using the bike offroad is sublime and will in short time, shed the detritus that doesn't enhance the off road experience. Many times I have seen on a trail reflectors or a rear cassette ring, and in lieu of being disappointed I am happy as I know someone has taken their first step towards becoming a mountain biker.

    Enjoy.
    I like this attitude and agree with it completely. Reminds me of a kayak trip around the Bowron Lakes in BC (Canada) many years ago where the first portage was littered with dutch ovens and cast iron frying pans. One trip at a time and they soon become real canoe/kayak campers.

    Let the bad bits fall away and replace them with good bits and before you know it you'll have a ride that fits you like a glove. Components like forks and derailleurs are relatively cheap to buy and installing them will put any rider well on his/her way towards guru-hood. Starting like this is often the very best way to go. . And you won't be paying interest to the bank either.

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    Assault Goose

    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    I have been trying to figure out the name, only thing I can come up with is the book of the same name: "The Mongoose Deception"..??
    Brilliant find, SE!
    “The Mongoose Deception, is an exceptionally gripping fictional account of those involved in the plans for the "final" assassination of John F. Kennedy...Through a series of flashbacks, Greer weaves a tale of conspiracy introducing the cast of characters that plotted a deception surrounding Kennedy's assassination.
    http://www.mysteriousreviews.com/mys...deception.html

    This explains why the cycling, Jugend Freiwilligen elite, disdain us & our maligned thaumaturgy. The misguided fools obviously believe our bike killed JFK! But, perhaps, it does make some sense. The Deception is green, so it could have easily hidden on the grassy knoll, lying it wait for the Presidential procession. And, have you noticed? With the kick stand down it leans – back, and to the left... back, and to the left. OMG! Could it be true?

    Pic of the Assault Goose. Guess nobody here wants fenders but I've got installation recommendations on three different kinds I've tried and/or am using – 1 from Bell & 2 from Planet Bike...
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    Idea! Ice??

    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    This was not wanted but I guess a new challenge!

    The Goose did well with the 29er wheels and good traction with the lugs. Just slushy snow and it might be gone in a day.... Ice might be something else!

    poikaa
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    Ice is why the Germans invented studded 29er tires...

    All you really need for "convenience" is another set of wheels and you can zip them on and off, depending on the weather...

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    Good job! "Assault" 'Goose..lol..

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    .... Guess nobody here wants fenders but I've got installation recommendations on three different kinds I've tried and/or am using – 1 from Bell & 2 from Planet Bike...
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    Your guess would be wrong..mudguards/fenders are the hot set-up...I myself have been pleased to find that the Walgoose has threaded holes for mounting both the mudguards,
    AND, a rear rack, too.

    The lower rear mudguard mounting hole is located on the back side of the kickstand mount/lower....This allows you to use the full size black Planet Bike.fender which follows the contour of the rear wheel perfectly..the price for the two matching ones I've found at $45.

    The only downside is the double-butt-ugly Planet Bike logo, which seems to be "branded"
    into them in a bright garish silver paint..I would have to paint over that, using a tiny brush and some flat black Fusion paint for plastics....

    But yes, mud protection, here where it DOES rain, is a very good thing..

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    whats that white stuff on the ground??? down here in miami we call that "sugar sand"......

    lol.....

    glad your enjoying the bike as much as i am enjoying mine.... i got a nice set of bontragers off ebay for a good price and they will be shipped tomorrow...

    can't wait till they arrive...

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    It's only a matter of time before they come out with a fat bike WalGoose 29'er for $249.

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    Quote Originally Posted by washington_desert_rat
    It's only a matter of time before they come out with a fat bike WalGoose 29'er for $249.
    i am hoping for a 36er like they build on the walt thread............


    can't wait till walmart sells one of them......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    Pic of the Assault Goose. Guess nobody here wants fenders but I've got installation recommendations on three different kinds I've tried and/or am using – 1 from Bell & 2 from Planet Bike...
    what are the fenders you have on in the pics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    The lower rear mudguard mounting hole is located on the back side of the kickstand mount/lower....This allows you to use the full size black Planet Bike.fender which follows the contour of the rear wheel perfectly..the price for the two matching ones I've found at $45....But yes, mud protection, here where it DOES rain, is a very good thing..
    While we generally don't get much rain here, except during monsoon season, I've been trying different fender combinations to keep the sand & dirt off the gears, chain & my face. Before riding it, I took it to a bike shop for a tune-up & told them where I'd be riding it. After a couple of miles of desert sand & dirt, the oil the shop had applied retained so much crud I could hear the grinding in the chain/gears. After de-greasing I switched to White Lightning Easy Lube,.which works as advertised.

    Still wanted to keep as much grit out of the gear mechanisms as possible, and anytime I'd look down there was a good chance the front wheel would throw sand in my eyes. Fenders have gone a long way toward reducing those problems. I'll take some photos & overview each install & results. Very little quite fits as advertised on the Goose...

    S.E. - I looked at the full, Planet Bike fenders & thought they might be too narrow. I;ll have to look again. The stock tires will be gone in a couple of months & I'll be going to 2.25 or better with replacements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    what are the fenders you have on in the pics?
    Hey, MG - They're Planet Bike Freddy Fender ATB Set - Clip On – 29”, Part Number 7002. $14.00 at REI on line. Although the rear clip-on fender is mounted over & attached to a Bell, which had a stouter mount than the SKS, Planet Bike, or other seat post attached fender I looked at. More later..

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    Idea! 29er Mudguards....

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    While we generally don't get much rain here, except during monsoon season, I've been trying different fender combinations to keep the sand & dirt off the gears, chain & my face. Before riding it, I took it to a bike shop for a tune-up & told them where I'd be riding it. After a couple of miles of desert sand & dirt, the oil the shop had applied retained so much crud I could hear the grinding in the chain/gears. After de-greasing I switched to White Lightning Easy Lube,.which works as advertised.

    Still wanted to keep as much grit out of the gear mechanisms as possible, and anytime I'd look down there was a good chance the front wheel would throw sand in my eyes. Fenders have gone a long way toward reducing those problems. I'll take some photos & overview each install & results. Very little quite fits as advertised on the Goose...

    S.E. - I looked at the full, Planet Bike fenders & thought they might be too narrow. I;ll have to look again. The stock tires will be gone in a couple of months & I'll be going to 2.25 or better with replacements.
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    Here's a link:

    http://ecom1.planetbike.com/7029.html

    I do not think these are in their "regular" Web Catalog just yet..and I transposed the numbers on the price: $54 and not $45, but they are very heavy duty but at the same time NOT heavy.. They feature rubber-like flaps and all stainless hardware, plus they will fit tires out to a 2.3 size IIRC..the stock OE Deception tire is a 1.95..(it is a go.). The satin-black color matches the Walgoose perfectly...

    Check it out..

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! A link to some pics of the fenders...

    I do not know if these types of links are permissible on this Forum, so if not, may be the Mod can dump this off here: Anyway----

    http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/...dia-for-29ers/

    Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...

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    ahh.... now tomorrow to find some really bright paint........




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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    http://twentynineinches.com/2007/02/...dia-for-29ers/

    Like they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...

    Steady Eddie
    I found the same website & photo while doing the research. They do look solid but was concerned they might drop too low in the back, and realize now I had looked up the specs for a BP hybrid fender. I see you can get the BP Cascadia 29er for $45 at various websites so I might give them a shot.

    The single point attachments I have now leave something to be desired. The fenders do get a bit wambly (yes that's a technical term) & bounce more than I'd like. The rear fender would be more stable if I had a rack to use as a second attachment point. I'm still not done trying different setups with these and am modifying a Bike Planet “Bog” As well. Farting around with this stuff is almost as fun as riding. Almost.

    BTW - the stock Inova tires are 1.95 on the goose. The other 29er Walmart sells has 2.25

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

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    ahh.... now tomorrow to find some really bright paint........




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    Good job! Sand and grit...

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    I found the same website & photo while doing the research. They do look solid but was concerned they might drop too low in the back, and realize now I had looked up the specs for a BP hybrid fender. I see you can get the BP Cascadia 29er for $45 at various websites so I might give them a shot.

    The single point attachments I have now leave something to be desired. The fenders do get a bit wambly (yes that's a technical term) & bounce more than I'd like. The rear fender would be more stable if I had a rack to use as a second attachment point. I'm still not done trying different setups with these and am modifying a Bike Planet “Bog” As well. Farting around with this stuff is almost as fun as riding. Almost.

    BTW - the stock Inova tires are 1.95 on the goose. The other 29er Walmart sells has 2.25
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    One thing we have come up with (after playing in the Dunes since 1968) is that sand and grit fall off. On our sandrails we run the parts metal-to-metal and simply change them out as they wear. Any lube that we use, makes the sand stick to the metal we are trying to protect. With the Walgoose 29er the opportunity exists to go to "real" sealed bearings (as opposed to "shielded" bearings, which are not sealed) and then you would have the best chance at longevity.... It is important to let the sand IN as well as OUT..

    There also are "fender skirts" for bikes that are made of fabric and fit over the Bike Planet fenders and attach to the rear chain stays and front forks. In Europe they are commonly used as a cover to keep clothing (dresses, long rain coats, etc.) out of the spokes..

    These could be made up (sewn) out of tent fabric for the Deception 29er, in either black or green tree cammo and would only weigh grams...

    Do a Google search on "bicycle fender skirts"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    ahh.... now tomorrow to find some really bright paint........



    Hit it with a prime coat of white under your color to make it brighter. Prolly have to tape the stencil to get good registration between coats. Pink?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb
    Hit it with a prime coat of white under your color to make it brighter. Prolly have to tape the stencil to get good registration between coats. Pink?
    leaning more towards orange...... i will snap and post when i am done.... don't know if it will be today....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    Brilliant find, SE!
    “The Mongoose Deception, is an exceptionally gripping fictional account of those involved in the plans for the "final" assassination of John F. Kennedy...Through a series of flashbacks, Greer weaves a tale of conspiracy introducing the cast of characters that plotted a deception surrounding Kennedy's assassination.
    http://www.mysteriousreviews.com/mys...deception.html

    This explains why the cycling, Jugend Freiwilligen elite, disdain us & our maligned thaumaturgy. The misguided fools obviously believe our bike killed JFK! But, perhaps, it does make some sense. The Deception is green, so it could have easily hidden on the grassy knoll, lying it wait for the Presidential procession. And, have you noticed? With the kick stand down it leans – back, and to the left... back, and to the left. OMG! Could it be true?

    Pic of the Assault Goose. Guess nobody here wants fenders but I've got installation recommendations on three different kinds I've tried and/or am using – 1 from Bell & 2 from Planet Bike...
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    Walmart 29er Availability

    Saw no Geese tonight but did see 4 of the Orange Genesis 29er's at local Walmart tonight. PM if interested in location of the Walmart. Maybe we need a new Walmart 29er Spotting thread? I like the Genesis, but it has the same problem as the Goose- cheap suspension fork.

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    Walmart 29er Availability

    Saw no Geese tonight but did see 4 of the Orange Genesis 29er's at local Walmart tonight. PM if interested in location of the Walmart. Maybe we need a new Walmart 29er Spotting thread? I like the Genesis, but it has the same problem as the Goose- cheap suspension fork.

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    I saw one a few days ago.

    Frame welds were fine...not perfect, but no ugly problems. It's indeed a textured dark metallic green. 34# without the kickstand seems about right. The picture shows Kenda tires but it actually had Inovas on it. Wheels were indeed 36 spoke, alloy rims, and were straight. Fork is about what you'd expect on a $200 bike: a couple elastomer bumpers that don't do much. It had actual Grip Shift 7-speed shifters (which is nice...a lot of cheap bikes have brifter pods) and a Tourney derailleur. The seatpost is the cheesy straight kind with the big metal bracket to hold the seat on. The seat seemed fine to me, but I didn't sit on it for long.

    The disc brakes felt really mushy, but did physically stop the bike: cheap bikes often come with crappy cable housing, or even use the wrong kind (brake housing for shifters, etc.) which is why they often brake and shift so poorly. I'd try replacing the housing first. I have no idea what kind of brake pads they use or if you can get replacements.

    It's a 17" frame, and was too small for me even with the seatpost all the way up. If you're over 6' you're likely out of luck.

    If I needed one (I don't) my first order of business would be to tighten up the brakes: as mentioned, I'd adjust them first as best I could and then look at replacing the housing. All the parts are replaceable with standard 7-speed MTB parts, so if your BB blows up or the freewheel explodes it's not too hard to fix.

    Verdict: it's a usable bike. Don't put a bunch of money into it trying to improve it, because that's just silly, and don't expect that the fork will remain functional for too long...but if you want a cheap commute bike or are broke, it'll do you fine.

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    ... and if we just ... A good post:

    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    I saw one a few days ago.

    Frame welds were fine...not perfect, but no ugly problems. It's indeed a textured dark metallic green. 34# without the kickstand seems about right. The picture shows Kenda tires but it actually had Inovas on it. Wheels were indeed 36 spoke, alloy rims, and were straight. Fork is about what you'd expect on a $200 bike: a couple elastomer bumpers that don't do much. It had actual Grip Shift 7-speed shifters (which is nice...a lot of cheap bikes have brifter pods) and a Tourney derailleur. The seatpost is the cheesy straight kind with the big metal bracket to hold the seat on. The seat seemed fine to me, but I didn't sit on it for long.

    The disc brakes felt really mushy, but did physically stop the bike: cheap bikes often come with crappy cable housing, or even use the wrong kind (brake housing for shifters, etc.) which is why they often brake and shift so poorly. I'd try replacing the housing first. I have no idea what kind of brake pads they use or if you can get replacements.

    It's a 17" frame, and was too small for me even with the seatpost all the way up. If you're over 6' you're likely out of luck.

    If I needed one (I don't) my first order of business would be to tighten up the brakes: as mentioned, I'd adjust them first as best I could and then look at replacing the housing. All the parts are replaceable with standard 7-speed MTB parts, so if your BB blows up or the freewheel explodes it's not too hard to fix.

    Verdict: it's a usable bike. Don't put a bunch of money into it trying to improve it, because that's just silly, and don't expect that the fork will remain functional for too long...but if you want a cheap commute bike or are broke, it'll do you fine.
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    A good post, thank you.

    I went and looked at your Photo Album, and coming from you, your comment of "..it'll
    do you fine.." is high praise... and the verdict of "..it's a usable bike.." is also right up there,
    along with "..frame welds were fine..".....

    You made the effort to actually go to a WM and physically look at a Deception 29er and you kept an open mind about it, too.

    I especially like the part where you said.."if you are broke"..hell, I thought EVERYONE was...

    The Steady One...

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    I saw one a few days ago.

    Frame welds were fine...not perfect, but no ugly problems. It's indeed a textured dark metallic green. 34# without the kickstand seems about right. The picture shows Kenda tires but it actually had Inovas on it. Wheels were indeed 36 spoke, alloy rims, and were straight. Fork is about what you'd expect on a $200 bike: a couple elastomer bumpers that don't do much. It had actual Grip Shift 7-speed shifters (which is nice...a lot of cheap bikes have brifter pods) and a Tourney derailleur. The seatpost is the cheesy straight kind with the big metal bracket to hold the seat on. The seat seemed fine to me, but I didn't sit on it for long.

    The disc brakes felt really mushy, but did physically stop the bike: cheap bikes often come with crappy cable housing, or even use the wrong kind (brake housing for shifters, etc.) which is why they often brake and shift so poorly. I'd try replacing the housing first. I have no idea what kind of brake pads they use or if you can get replacements.

    It's a 17" frame, and was too small for me even with the seatpost all the way up. If you're over 6' you're likely out of luck.

    If I needed one (I don't) my first order of business would be to tighten up the brakes: as mentioned, I'd adjust them first as best I could and then look at replacing the housing. All the parts are replaceable with standard 7-speed MTB parts, so if your BB blows up or the freewheel explodes it's not too hard to fix.

    Verdict: it's a usable bike. Don't put a bunch of money into it trying to improve it, because that's just silly, and don't expect that the fork will remain functional for too long...but if you want a cheap commute bike or are broke, it'll do you fine.
    well... for the record i am 6'3 and ~220.... it feels a tiny bit small but it is completely rideable........ other than that your report is dead straight on......... i replaced the brakes on mine with a mismatched set of hydraulics i had here on another bike 0$ out of pocket and i put a good seat on 0$ o.o.p......

    the only money i have spent so far is i ordered a new wheel set from EvilBAY and they are being shipped out today 170$........ and the bent front rim has been straightened by the LBS and is completely rideable but i wife doesn't know that and i ain't dumb enough to tell her... and i am waiting for my 100$ used front end to show up at the front door....

    it took ~130miles of intense trail to finally break something on this bike......

    and the money i have spent so far i took out of my "fun" allowance.........

    still lovin the walgoose....lol....

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    they probably don't display them because they will not fit on the racks.

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    I saw one the other day. The components looked cheap'ish, but nothing you wouldn't see at Performance Bike or on any lower end "name brand" bike - think of the entry level Treks, Specialized, etc. bikes. I've seen some pretty low end crap at Performance Bikes.

    I guess for $200 you can't expect too much - I think in order for this bike to do anything well, you would need a good wrencher to do a once-over on it. More butts on bikes is good.

    Would I stop a friend from buying one? As long as he knew what he was getting and we took a couple of hours to do a thorough once over - no.

    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    still lovin the walgoose....lol....
    ...and THAT'S what it's all about. who gives a shiat about what's being said on this thread - it is your money and your enjoyment. I bet you have as much fun on that bike than the next guy on his $2000 bike. It's all perception, and as long as you are fine with replacing what goes bad - then that's all good. Don't we all have to replace stuff on our bikes at one point? I even replace things that aren't even necessary for cosmetic reasons, or I want less/more gears, different handlebars, different set-up, etc. Then I sell super nice stuff for dirt cheap at bike swap meets or stuff it in one of garage cabinets. So who's the fool? (raising my hand).
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    New question here. Perhaps you are right..

    Quote Originally Posted by pecsokak
    they probably don't display them because they will not fit on the racks.
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    You may be right..the Walgoose Rigid Impasse 29er did not fit into the store's racks either.

    They had the only one of those I've ever seen, out on the floor..hmmm??

    But that still doesn't explain why they have the Deception 29er and it seems to stay in the back room.

    I believe that the WM bicycle "assemblers" aren't the brightest lighthouses on the beach, and they just don't know what they have...

    S.E.

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    Ha if you do paint that on there post the pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
    I went and looked at your Photo Album, and coming from you, your comment of "..it'll
    do you fine.." is high praise... and the verdict of "..it's a usable bike.." is also right up there,
    along with "..frame welds were fine..".....
    Thanks for the compliments. Keep in mind that most of the pictures in my photo album are of other people (Although I am riding the same trails...)

    But yes, there is a difference between the <$100 bikes, which are made with parts that are junk and can't really be replaced (6-speed freewheel and shifters, Ashtabula cranks, hubs with hardware-store nutted axles and no-name derailleurs that clamp to the axle) and the Deception (7-speed, standard BB, QR hubs, derailleur hanger, decent alloy rims).

    I still wouldn't trust the fork with serious mountain riding, just like I wouldn't trust any suspension fork on any bike that costs less than a suspension fork but the Walgoose is definitely on the low end of 'bicycle' as opposed to the high end of 'bicycle-shaped object'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halmo
    Ha if you do paint that on there post the pics
    sure will!!!

    i am still deciding on color.........

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    Fork Disclaimer

    Quote Originally Posted by El Caballo
    I still wouldn't trust the fork with serious mountain riding, just like I wouldn't trust any suspension fork on any bike that costs less than a suspension fork
    FYI All - This small sticker is on the right fork tube & is probably not read & peeled off as soon as it comes home. Should be in big red letters in the manual. No problems here but am more careful(somewhat) since reading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    sure will!!!

    i am still deciding on color.........
    Burnt Orange

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    I have been debating on making this walgoose 29er my first bike and honestly, after reading and researching all day, I am pretty sure I am gonna pick one up. First stop will be my lbs for a tune up (and some laughter and criticism as well) but screw it, if they don't like it they can buy my next bike for me. They had one at my local wm and I was quite surprised. I have been looking for an affordable 29er all year.

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    I went to the madhouse today. they did have the walgoose and the orange genesis. I couldnt get a good look at them since they were up in the third rack with the pulleys. 'course there wasnt a employee anywhere so I wasnt able to be a pita and make 'em bring it down.

    just from what I could see, the goose looks to be better than the genesis. the goose has the stay brace on the disk side, wider rims, beefier looking frame (the genesis just looked a little frail). the genesis also has the rear canti instead of disk.

    this walgoose reminds me of the SX bass guitar. People with $3K+ custom handmade Alemic, Nordy, Dingwall etc guitars scoff at the cheapass $100 bass. then comes along a individual who drops in some duncan pups, dress the frets, fix the neck alignment, new strings and blows everyone away on how smooth it plays and the kickass tone. everyone wanted one then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    sure will!!!

    i am still deciding on color.........
    hot pink

    but I guess that may only work if the OO was the double bird

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    Some number crunching!

    Doing a little research about Walmart via Wikipedia, There are 2,843 Walmart Supercenters, 750 Walmart Discount Stores and 607 Sam's Clubs....

    So if each one gets two WalGeese (plural!), that would mean 9600 Deceptions available and that would be a potential number!

    I looked at a few Chinese bike manufacture's WEB pages and there always seem to be a minimum order of 3 to 5 thousand units, that would mean that Walmart ordered some sort of minimum order and the lower number would be realistic.

    From what has been posted here it seems not all Walmarts have these bikes and some stores have more than a few. No rhyme or reason to this, maybe a "bean counter" figured out where the 29er would have a market....

    Something tells me that Walmart buying in quantity would only pay 50 dollars per unit, maybe less!

    And this says nothing about the 4,000 plus stores world wide!!!

    Just thinking!

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Deception front fork swap--

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    FYI All - This small sticker is on the right fork tube & is probably not read & peeled off as soon as it comes home. Should be in big red letters in the manual. No problems here but am more careful(somewhat) since reading it.
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    Guys--

    Here is a link to the "real" mfg. of these front "suspension" forks...

    http://www.hlcorp.com.cn/en/affiliatles_about.asp?cid=3

    There seems to be a lot of testing that goes into these "fork like objects", and they are producing 100s of thousands of them per month.

    That being said, I believe it is a HEAVY sucker with a weight of from between 4 to 6 POUNDS...if the Impasse 29er front steel rigid fork will fit and the frame geometry wouldn't be adversely affected, where can such a fork be obtained??

    I agree with others here (including our Humble Moderator) that the Deception as a fully rigid 29er would be great. The final co$t should be very low and the benefits high.

    We are talking a sub-30 pound Deception here..

    Steady Eddie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    Something tells me that Walmart buying in quantity would only pay 50 dollars per unit, maybe less!

    poikaa
    $50 is probably about right if not on the high side. As I have said before though....WM really isnt that much different than your LBS.
    I went to my (not so local) LBS this weekend on the way to go ride. My buddy bought a slightly used 2010 rockhopper comp (26er) for $400 from the uncle of the guy that owns the shop. Smoking deal right? not as good as you would think. The previous owner told us that he bought the bike at cost to the shop.....$450.00!!!!! Specialized list that bike on thier site for $830, and my lbs tags them at $770. I would guess that specialized is buying them for $250 or so...
    I think that its pretty safe to say that there is a 300-400% mark up on bikes.... honestly I think the highend you go the higher the mark up. So hate to break hearts here but that mean your $3000 bike is really built for about $850.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertguns
    FYI All - This small sticker is on the right fork tube & is probably not read & peeled off as soon as it comes home. Should be in big red letters in the manual. No problems here but am more careful(somewhat) since reading it.
    For those who can't read the sticker, it says:

    "Leisure cross-country
    Do not use for
    freeride/downhill
    dirt jumper or any
    hard riding

    Improper use of this fork can result in fork failure and personal injury"

    That's actually much better than most department store "mountain" bikes, which have a disclaimer in the manual saying "NOT FOR OFF-ROAD USE". (This is funniest when seen on a dual-suspension bike with a dual-crown fork)

    Steady Eddie: good catch on the manufacturer. Zoom makes a whole lot of low-end forks, which means that the sticker is probably about right and it's fine for XC use. And I bet you're right that it's heavy as hell...but cheap rigid forks aren't exactly lightweight either.

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