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    Quote Originally Posted by Juz1970 View Post
    Very nice! Manly Dam MTB trail in the pic?
    No, Royal National Park at Loftus

    First ride on my new bike and I was blown away at how good it is

    Seriously loving this bike

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    Awesome! I used to live at Loftus - the RNP is great riding. Am hoping to pick my bike up by end of Jan - just have to sell my Instinct first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juz1970 View Post
    Awesome! I used to live at Loftus - the RNP is great riding. Am hoping to pick my bike up by end of Jan - just have to sell my Instinct first!
    Awesome, you will love it, this bike is perfect for the trails around the RNP

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    If I go from a 29 wheelset to a 27.5 do I need to do something to the decoupler ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    If I go from a 29 wheelset to a 27.5 do I need to do something to the decoupler ??


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    There's a 27.5+ lower headset cup you need to swap out. It keeps the BB at same height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedo View Post
    There's a 27.5+ lower headset cup you need to swap out. It keeps the BB at same height.
    Is it a pain in the ass to do ride to ride ? 29 to 27.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Is it a pain in the ass to do ride to ride ? 29 to 27.5?

    Iím not techie


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    No. the headset is internal, so no need to repress the headset. You simply loosen the stem and stem cap and let the fork drop out of the frame. Then swap the lower headset cup. Its pretty straight-forward.

    Curious on your reasons to swap out to 27+. I had an 2018 Hightower that came 27+ (2.8) and I swapped to 29er the summer after and never looked back.

    The Trail429 is a rocketship. I sold my 2020 Hightower to get a 2019 Trail 429 ProXTR build. So much better.
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    Funny you ask that Iím contemplating that right nowÖ Am I just tinkering?Ö Am I just having an at off-season itch For the weather to get better.Ö But I am intrigued by 27 5 x 3.0 .- Single track with twists and some chunk. Thatís why I ask is a pain in the ass to change it out because I may only use the 27.5 occasionally.
    By the way I sold my 2020 high tower and kept the 429.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNatureBoy View Post
    Funny you ask that Iím contemplating that right nowÖ Am I just tinkering?Ö Am I just having an at off-season itch For the weather to get better.Ö But I am intrigued by 27 5 x 3.0 .- Single track with twists and some chunk. Thatís why I ask is a pain in the ass to change it out because I may only use the 27.5 occasionally.
    By the way I sold my 2020 high tower and kept the 429.


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    Yeah, its not hard at all to do the swap. Just need the lower 27.5 cup. It "should have" come with your purchase of the bike, but if not any pivot dealer should be able to track one down for you.
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    My new Trail 429 has finally arrived (ignore odd position of dropper post, was still working on it when I took the pic). Stoked it is here.
    One quick question: has anyone frame-skinned theirs? And are you happy with it?
    I am looking at either Frameskin or All Mountain Style for frame protection. Had AMS on my previous Bronson but like the minimalist look of Frameskin, even though it is a lot thinner, etc.
    Anyway, any feedback would be great! Now I just have to wait for the rain to stop here in Sydney (Aus) to get it out on some trails!
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    Soooo....I know it's pretty new, but any chance of a new "vertical shock" T429? Love the FB29 and can't wait to try the new SB...but both are a bit "too big' for my area.

    A bit lighter, a bit more progressive, a bit more reach? A SWATbox (have I gone too far? ) What really caught my attention was in the Flow first ride review of the SB "...it negotiates tight, awkward lines better than any bike Iíve ridden in recent memory."

    If a new 429 rode that way, but was more efficient (even if by virtue of only being 130/120), it would be just about the prefect-est bike.

    ...or is it just too soon for an update?

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    I could care less about the shock orientation, I just want the stupid under BB cable gone!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by screamingbunny View Post
    I could care less about the shock orientation, I just want the stupid under BB cable gone!!!
    Why does that bug you so much? It has not been an issue, also other brands have done this very thing for years without issue.

    Doesn't seem that it warrants three exclamation points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juz1970 View Post
    My new Trail 429 has finally arrived (ignore odd position of dropper post, was still working on it when I took the pic). Stoked it is here.
    One quick question: has anyone frame-skinned theirs? And are you happy with it?
    I am looking at either Frameskin or All Mountain Style for frame protection. Had AMS on my previous Bronson but like the minimalist look of Frameskin, even though it is a lot thinner, etc.
    Anyway, any feedback would be great! Now I just have to wait for the rain to stop here in Sydney (Aus) to get it out on some trails!
    I tried the frame skinz on my 429 and really didn't like the way it looked on the matt frame

    I used the downtube skin and a few pieces around the head tube to stop cable rub

    Wish I didn't waste my $200.00 AUD with the kit

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    Thanks G-Tech. Good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Why does that bug you so much? It has not been an issue, also other brands have done this very thing for years without issue.

    Doesn't seem that it warrants three exclamation points.
    Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by screamingbunny View Post
    I could care less about the shock orientation, I just want the stupid under BB cable gone!!!
    The orientation has more to it then just changing it to change it. It would be interesting to see how soon the Trail get the new kinematics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
    Generally things that suck, don't work, or there are issues. I get it if you you don't like the aesthetics, but functionally there are no issues.

    Seems silly to complain so much about something that doesn't matter to the fit and function of the bike. If it somehow impeded something physically, but it doesn't.

    Maybe people just need something to complain about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    The orientation has more to it then just changing it to change it. It would be interesting to see how soon the Trail get the new kinematics.
    TwoTone has it right and it's why I wonder if there would be an update. Eventually, all Pivots will look the same and, most importantly, have the revised kinematics.

    Not b/c I thought: whoa...vertical looks really neat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Generally things that suck, don't work, or there are issues. I get it if you you don't like the aesthetics, but functionally there are no issues.

    Seems silly to complain so much about something that doesn't matter to the fit and function of the bike. If it somehow impeded something physically, but it doesn't.

    Maybe people just need something to complain about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    TwoTone has it right and is why I wonder if there would be an update. Eventually, all Pivots will look the same and, most importantly, have the revised kinematics.

    Not b/c I thought: whoa...vertical looks really neat!
    I've been vocal about what I think is the stupidity of superboost on a 120mm trail bike , but I will say if they update the Trail to the new kinematics that allow the Trail to run a coil - then Pivot has something pretty unique/interesting. The only other short travel coil frame I know of is a Banshee Phantom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Why does that bug you so much? It has not been an issue, also other brands have done this very thing for years without issue.

    Doesn't seem that it warrants three exclamation points.
    It sucks because it catches branches on the trail and rocks when going through rock gardens. In addition it's location allows it to get damaged more easily if going up and over things...the cables can get damaged when smashed into the bottom bracket.

    Speaking from experience on all accounts where I have done all of the above.

    No cabling on any mountain bike should ever run under the bottom bracket. It should be run above the bottom bracket and on top of or inside the chainstays.

    If all a person does is ride flow trail, then cabling under the BB is no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    It sucks because it catches branches on the trail and rocks when going through rock gardens. In addition it's location allows it to get damaged more easily if going up and over things...the cables can get damaged when smashed into the bottom bracket.

    Speaking from experience on all accounts where I have done all of the above.

    No cabling on any mountain bike should ever run under the bottom bracket. It should be run above the bottom bracket and on top of or inside the chainstays.

    If all a person does is ride flow trail, then cabling under the BB is no big deal.
    I'm sorry, but, I need some pictures or this didn't happen. I'm not calling you a liar, but we haven't received a complaint of this happening.

    Yes, it is a fear that some people have, but unless you built your bike with an insane amount of cable hanging down, this doesn't happen. Your chain ring hits before the cable comes close to anything.

    Years of World Cup racing on frames with this cable hanging down, and no report of this ever happening.

    Years of product development, and history of these bikes out in the field, and I've yet to witness this happening, or hear of a customer reporting it to our customer service team.

    Years of bikes out in one of our 4 demo fleets, and not one issue of what you are suggesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I'm sorry, but, I need some pictures or this didn't happen. I'm not calling you a liar, but we haven't received a complaint of this happening.

    Yes, it is a fear that some people have, but unless you built your bike with an insane amount of cable hanging down, this doesn't happen. Your chain ring hits before the cable comes close to anything.

    Years of World Cup racing on frames with this cable hanging down, and no report of this ever happening.

    Years of product development, and history of these bikes out in the field, and I've yet to witness this happening, or hear of a customer reporting it to our customer service team.

    Years of bikes out in one of our 4 demo fleets, and not one issue of what you are suggesting.
    Dan- but under the BB and/or down tube are crud catchers.

    I've had bikes with that routing and sorry it sucks if you don't live somewhere dry like AZ.

    I noticed a difference between the Ripley LS with the brake line going down the down tube and the Ripley V4 with internal routing.

    My Specialized Stumpjumer was horrible. Both routing below the downtube and under the BB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Dan- but under the BB and/or down tube are crud catchers.

    I've had bikes with that routing and sorry it sucks if you don't live somewhere dry like AZ.
    I agree with you on that point for sure. When it comes to places for mud and dirt to gather, it certainly can do that there.

    @prj71 claims that the cable get's smashed down there, but I can't see that happening due to the chain ring preventing that. Not saying it isn't possible, just saying we at PIVOT haven't seen it.

    When it comes to mud and grime, not sure anything is safe. Anything near a tire can get coated with the stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I agree with you on that point for sure. When it comes to places for mud and dirt to gather, it certainly can do that there.

    @prj71 claims that the cable get's smashed down there, but I can't see that happening due to the chain ring preventing that. Not saying it isn't possible, just saying we at PIVOT haven't.
    Quick edit and photo added:

    It happens, I have put big nicks in one cable housing under the bb and replaced it. I havenít managed to obliterate a cable to failure yet though, because I caught it in time.
    Many lbs that build the bikes leave a decent amount of slack whether itís right or wrong. The cable on mine extends well below the chain ring. I asked why it was so low and was told it needs the slack due to the way Pivot designed it. I wonít argue how much slack is needed or not but the annoyance would be prevented by a different design.


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    Quote Originally Posted by semi75 View Post
    Quick edit and photo added:

    It happens, I have put big nicks in one cable housing under the bb and replaced it. I havenít managed to obliterate a cable to failure yet though, because I caught it in time.
    Many lbs that build the bikes leave a decent amount of slack whether itís right or wrong. The cable on mine extends well below the chain ring. I asked why it was so low and was told it needs the slack due to the way Pivot designed it. I wonít argue how much slack is needed or not but the annoyance would be prevented by a different design.[/IMG]
    That is pretty long! I'd venture to say too long. Check the site, there are action photos of the Trail, you can see how short the housing is.

    It only needs to be long enough to clear the BB when the bike is fully compressed into it's travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I agree with you on that point for sure. When it comes to places for mud and dirt to gather, it certainly can do that there.

    @prj71 claims that the cable get's smashed down there, but I can't see that happening due to the chain ring preventing that. Not saying it isn't possible, just saying we at PIVOT haven't seen it.

    When it comes to mud and grime, not sure anything is safe. Anything near a tire can get coated with the stuff.
    This is not a slam, just constructive criticism, why not route it differently to avoid the issue? There is no performance gain from routing it this way.

    While crud may collect on a down tub with nothing on it. I can say it's a 1000x easier to be able to wipe it down , then picking leaves and mud out from the cables.

    Hopefully when the Trail gets an update, Pivot will route it like the SB and SL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    This is not a slam, just constructive criticism, why not route it differently to avoid the issue? There is no performance gain from routing it this way.

    While crud may collect on a down tub with nothing on it. I can say it's a 1000x easier to be able to wipe it down , then picking leaves and mud out from the cables.

    Hopefully when the Trail gets an update, Pivot will route it like the SB and SL.
    I get it, and didn't read your comment as a slam. Your comments are very constructive. So, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I'm sorry, but, I need some pictures or this didn't happen. I'm not calling you a liar, but we haven't received a complaint of this happening.

    Yes, it is a fear that some people have, but unless you built your bike with an insane amount of cable hanging down, this doesn't happen. Your chain ring hits before the cable comes close to anything.

    Years of World Cup racing on frames with this cable hanging down, and no report of this ever happening.

    Years of product development, and history of these bikes out in the field, and I've yet to witness this happening, or hear of a customer reporting it to our customer service team.

    Years of bikes out in one of our 4 demo fleets, and not one issue of what you are suggesting.
    Not everyone rides flow trail and I don't have any pictures.


    My last FS bike a brake cable and derailleur cable were routed under the bottom bracket. Both had been smashed running through rock gardens and had to be replaced. You would think that the chain ring would hit first but that wasn't always the case.

    The damage to the brake cable never caused any brake failure but the casing was split open and it would have only been a matter of time before it failed. So I replaced it.

    The derailleur cable was damaged to the point that the rear derailleur wouldn't move when I shifted. So I had to replace it.

    In addition, with it hanging down, I had numerous sticks and branches get caught in that loop and I would have to stop my ride and remove them.

    Cabling under the BB is bad design. No benefit whatsoever to route it under there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Not everyone rides flow trail and I don't have any pictures.


    My last FS bike a brake cable and derailleur cable were routed under the bottom bracket. Both had been smashed running through rock gardens and had to be replaced. You would think that the chain ring would hit first but that wasn't always the case.

    The damage to the brake cable never caused any brake failure but the casing was split open and it would have only been a matter of time before it failed. So I replaced it.

    The derailleur cable was damaged to the point that the rear derailleur wouldn't move when I shifted. So I had to replace it.

    In addition, with it hanging down, I had numerous sticks and branches get caught in that loop and I would have to stop my ride and remove them.

    Cabling under the BB is bad design. No benefit whatsoever to route it under there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Got it, so not a PIVOT issue, but another brands issue.
    Ummm....No.

    Any brand that routes the cable under the BB is a bad design. I will never buy a bike again with the cabling run under the BB.

    This is the proper way to do it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Ummm....No.

    Any brand that routes the cable under the BB is a bad design. I will never buy a bike again with the cabling run under the BB.

    This is the proper way to do it...
    My comment was that your history with this claimed issue was from a different brand, NOT a PIVOT.

    I stand by my comments, PIVOT is not seeing complaints or hearing of issues with this cable design.

    It is not a poor design, but others have had poor execution of that design, and you have a history of it being an issue on those brands. I fully understand that point. You have merit in your position due to your experience with those brands.

    That being said, Chris did change the design on the Switchblade, since there is no FD compatibility, cables can be routed differently.
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    Quit focusing on brand. Brand doesn't matter. Just because you aren't hearing about it or seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    Cables routed under the BB are cables routed under the BB. They are susceptible to rock hits and catching branches. Pivot got it half correct. One is right now fix the other one.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I stand by my comments, PIVOT is not seeing complaints or hearing of issues with this cable design.

    It is not a poor design,
    I disagree. This same cable routing is on my Mach 4. And I've had to change my cable twice due to the cable getting ripped out and getting struck by a rock(although that probably save my BB from taking a hit).
    Love the bike, but that cable routing is asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlar View Post
    I disagree. This same cable routing is on my Mach 4. And I've had to change my cable twice due to the cable getting ripped out and getting struck by a rock(although that probably save my BB from taking a hit).
    Love the bike, but that cable routing is asinine.
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    My comment was that your history with this claimed issue was from a different brand, NOT a PIVOT.

    I stand by my comments, PIVOT is not seeing complaints or hearing of issues with this cable design.
    Dan- to be fair, how many people do you think are going to call up Pivot if this happens?

    I know on my Stumpjumper I would have replaced the cable and moved on. I sure wouldn't call Specialized since there isn't anything they can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Dan- to be fair, how many people do you think are going to call up Pivot if this happens?

    I know on my Stumpjumper I would have replaced the cable and moved on. I sure wouldn't call Specialized since there isn't anything they can do.
    You'd be surprised how many customers call us, or email us about the smallest issues. We welcome it, and appreciate the tiny details people share. But I'm sure many don't.

    Our dealers and distributors are really good and providing us feedback. So, I'm not dismissing this saying this NEVER happens. I'm saying, if it were a problem, our dealers or distributors would have mentioned it to us. If this was a common issue, and many people were having this issue, mechanics at shops around the world would report it to us.

    The overall statement earlier was that this is a design flaw, and that all bikes with this design have problems. We aren't having problems with this design.
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    Iím just curious why dan doesnít just let this drop instead of arguing w customers. Itís a great bike but customers pointed out something they donít like. Pass the info along and move on. There is no real reason to argue about it.
    Iím only responding because of silly post notifications over the same thing. Pivot doesnít see it as a big issue, itís an annoyance to me, a no go for some and probably doesnít register to some.


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    Quote Originally Posted by semi75 View Post
    Iím just curious why dan doesnít just let this drop instead of arguing w customers.
    Because it's bad PR if he admits they could do better or admitted it is a design flaw.

    I've been researching new FS bikes for a purchase I am making this spring and knocked the Pivot off the list for 3 reasons.

    -Cable routed under the bottom bracket.
    -Press Fit BB
    -157 rear hub spacing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi75 View Post
    Iím just curious why dan doesnít just let this drop instead of arguing w customers. Itís a great bike but customers pointed out something they donít like. Pass the info along and move on. There is no real reason to argue about it.
    Iím only responding because of silly post notifications over the same thing. Pivot doesnít see it as a big issue, itís an annoyance to me, a no go for some and probably doesnít register to some.


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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Because it's bad PR if he admits they could do better or admitted it is a design flaw.

    I've been researching new FS bikes for a purchase I am making this spring and knocked the Pivot off the list for 3 reasons.

    -Cable routed under the bottom bracket.
    -Press Fit BB
    -157 rear hub spacing.
    I'd say it's just as bad of PR to keep dismissing several different posters concerns acting like they're stupid...especially after Jlar posted about his experience. He LITERALLY just typed that it was an issue and now Pivot (through Dan) has heard about the issue.

    I don't think he meant to come off that way, but that's how it reads. Add that to the list of updates for the T429!

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi75 View Post
    Iím just curious why dan doesnít just let this drop instead of arguing w customers. Itís a great bike but customers pointed out something they donít like. Pass the info along and move on. There is no real reason to argue about it.
    Iím only responding because of silly post notifications over the same thing. Pivot doesnít see it as a big issue, itís an annoyance to me, a no go for some and probably doesnít register to some.


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    I personally don't think of it as arguing, maybe others do. I actually agree that it's not a 'flaw' just based on my experience - a poor design choice.

    I'm sure that is mute point, I would be shocked if the next Trail doesn't follow the redesign of the SL and SB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    I've been researching new FS bikes for a purchase I am making this spring and knocked the Pivot off the list for 3 reasons.

    -Cable routed under the bottom bracket.
    -Press Fit BB
    -157 rear hub spacing.
    I will agree with those 3 points- it's why I went with a Ripley V4 and unfortunately regretted that decision, so my current LS is a place holder. I don't want one of the new crop of really long, steep STA and slack HTA bikes.
    The Trail fits what I'm looking for except for the 3 issues you have.

    Ibis turned around and redesigned the Rimpo pretty quickly, hopeful Pivot does the same with the Trail 429. But I doubt they'll add threaded BB, I can sort of let the 157 on a short travel bike slide even though I think it's over kill. Personally think a threaded BB would have been better than a 157 rear end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Because it's bad PR if he admits they could do better or admitted it is a design flaw.

    I've been researching new FS bikes for a purchase I am making this spring and knocked the Pivot off the list for 3 reasons.

    -Cable routed under the bottom bracket.
    -Press Fit BB
    -157 rear hub spacing.
    Well, been riding for 30 years, never had issues with progression to the above except cost of a back up wheel.

    A few voices donít necessarily mean fact. Jeez, some people donít like the above. Thatís fine. Youíre beliefs are your beliefs but you canít provide any factual data about supposed design flaws. Just a few first and second hand accounts. Yet, they continue to come to this forum to bitch about the same things, over and over. Other brands have adopted PF and 157, but I donít appreciate the level of criticism directed towards Pivot, but admittedly that is a subjective opinion on my part. Just go to the Ibis forum and be happy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
    Because it's bad PR if he admits they could do better or admitted it is a design flaw.

    I've been researching new FS bikes for a purchase I am making this spring and knocked the Pivot off the list for 3 reasons.

    -Cable routed under the bottom bracket.
    -Press Fit BB
    -157 rear hub spacing.
    @pjr71
    I had the exact same concerns as you did. But I did a ton of research and choose to give Pivot a chance and bought a T429. I couldn't be happier.

    -I smashed the bottom side of the frame into a log on my very first ride. Tore the rubber protector on the frame, but did not harm the cable housing. that stuff is tougher than it looks.
    -Search and find some interviews where Chris C. talks about why they use PF. He explains how they manufacture their frames and why their version of PF is better (has to do with mfg techniques and tolerance). It makes sense, and I have had zero issues (i.e. noise) with mine so far.
    -157 hub spacing might limit your stock built wheel choices (custom built is not a problem), but how often do you buy wheels? Once you ride a T429 and realize how precise the bike is when cornering you will be sold on the wider hub spacing.

    That's my 2 cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi75 View Post
    Iím just curious why dan doesnít just let this drop instead of arguing w customers. Itís a great bike but customers pointed out something they donít like. Pass the info along and move on. There is no real reason to argue about it.
    Iím only responding because of silly post notifications over the same thing. Pivot doesnít see it as a big issue, itís an annoyance to me, a no go for some and probably doesnít register to some.
    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    I'd say it's just as bad of PR to keep dismissing several different posters concerns acting like they're stupid...especially after Jlar posted about his experience. He LITERALLY just typed that it was an issue and now Pivot (through Dan) has heard about the issue.

    I don't think he meant to come off that way, but that's how it reads. Add that to the list of updates for the T429!
    You guys are both right. It started off trying to get clarity of his issue. It seemed prj71 was overly upset about what he considered was a flaw. Turns out his experience is from poor execution from other brands.

    I don't think I dismissed the other posts. All of these issues are shared with engineering. And as you point out, his issue is the first I've heard of.

    If my comments came across as curt or dismissive, not my intention, I apologize.

    I was caught of guard by how adamant that the design was a flaw, when his experience was not with a PIVOT, as our execution is different than others, and our history of using a cable under the BB has not been an issue.

    Also to be clear, we aren't naive to think that mud, dirt, twigs or other debris could get caught in the cables - though, that can happen on any cable anywhere on the bike in reality. My comments are from the point that if this were an issue, we would have received hundreds or thousands of reports of issues, we have not. Also, we wouldn't have continued to make model after model using that design, if we did receive such feedback. Only recently did we make the first change to using that design with the Switchblade.

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    I'm not overly upset. Just pointing out what I think is a bad idea. Maybe "design flaw" is not the correct way to describe it. It's a bad idea based on what I and others have posted above.

    And as pointed out...If it is happening, nobody is going to send in reports on it. Myself included. Just like my last FS bike I replaced the cabling and moved on and chalked it up as a learning experience as to what to look for on future bike purchases.

    Your execution of the cable under the BB is no different than anyone else's. I'm not sure what you think is so different. As I pointed out before a cable run under the BB is a cable run under the BB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedo View Post
    No. the headset is internal, so no need to repress the headset. You simply loosen the stem and stem cap and let the fork drop out of the frame. Then swap the lower headset cup. Its pretty straight-forward.

    Curious on your reasons to swap out to 27+. I had an 2018 Hightower that came 27+ (2.8) and I swapped to 29er the summer after and never looked back.

    The Trail429 is a rocketship. I sold my 2020 Hightower to get a 2019 Trail 429 ProXTR build. So much better.
    You do have to repress the lower cup as I just did it on my bike.

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    You do have to repress the lower cup as I just did it on my bike.
    Ah, thanks for the clarification. I haven't actually done it, just know its available. Did you leave it 29er with the new lower cup (to slacken a little more)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedo View Post
    Ah, thanks for the clarification. I haven't actually done it, just know its available. Did you leave it 29er with the new lower cup (to slacken a little more)?
    I plan on it, still riding the plus set up threw winter, wtb scrapers 40mm with Vee Bulldozer tires 3.0

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    Hi folks,

    Whatís the consensus on tire clearance for T429? Iíve seen a few posts of folks running 29x2.6. I reached out to Pivot customer service and asked about clearance on the stock (for enduro build) Reynolds 34 iw rims and they said max 2.5 or risk tire rub. I know thereís lots of variability in tire size, but hoping to run minion dhrII/dhf combo in 2.6. Am I asking for trouble?
    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by fryeguy View Post
    Hi folks,

    Whatís the consensus on tire clearance for T429? Iíve seen a few posts of folks running 29x2.6. I reached out to Pivot customer service and asked about clearance on the stock (for enduro build) Reynolds 34 iw rims and they said max 2.5 or risk tire rub. I know thereís lots of variability in tire size, but hoping to run minion dhrII/dhf combo in 2.6. Am I asking for trouble?
    Thanks in advance
    Iím running 27.5 x 3.0 with plenty of room, I canít see why 29x2.6 wouldnít fit.

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    I just put on a 29x2.6 bontrager XR4 in the front, and a 29x2.5 maxis aggressor in the rear. There is tons of room with my setup. I do have the stock wheels on, which I believe have a iw30, so I'm not sure if you went with a wider rim diameter how it would affect that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I will agree with those 3 points- it's why I went with a Ripley V4 and unfortunately regretted that decision, so my current LS is a place holder. I don't want one of the new crop of really long, steep STA and slack HTA bikes.
    The Trail fits what I'm looking for except for the 3 issues you have.
    Hey TwoTone... I'm on the fence between a Trail 429 and a Ripley V4. Curious why you moved on from the Ripley? Was it primarily the geo?

    I've been riding both back-to-back for a few days now on super tech trails in New England... very different bikes indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspagat View Post
    Hey TwoTone... I'm on the fence between a Trail 429 and a Ripley V4. Curious why you moved on from the Ripley? Was it primarily the geo?

    I've been riding both back-to-back for a few days now on super tech trails in New England... very different bikes indeed.
    The V4 may be perfect for New England. I'm not familiar with the trails there. My trails are all rolling hills unless I travel, so the 'new' geo just doesn't work for me. I already run bars with 20 degree back sweep for my wrists. The new geo combined with basically flattish trails killed my hands.

    One thing I'll admit, I would have been willing to try a medium vs the large I had if I could have traded. I've mentioned in other threads, I had a Canfield Riot that didn't bother me even though it had a 77 STA. I believe that is because of the 1.3 inch longer effective top tube of the Ripley. That puts you in a more hunched over position when pedaling and puts more weight on your hands. The Medium Ripley would have been very similar to the Large Riot.
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    Looking at a Stumpjumper SWorks 29" ST and a Pivot Trail 429 Team XTR 29".
    Does anybody have input as to how one is over the other for XC riding?
    No jumps or drops but roots and rocks. Coming from more of XC riding/racing background including single speeding but looking for something that will climb well too and good for all day rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHS View Post
    Looking at a Stumpjumper SWorks 29" ST and a Pivot Trail 429 Team XTR 29".
    Does anybody have input as to how one is over the other for XC riding?
    No jumps or drops but roots and rocks. Coming from more of XC riding/racing background including single speeding but looking for something that will climb well too and good for all day rides.
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    This wonít answer your question but I thought I should suggest it: have you checked out the new Pivot Mach 4 SL? I recently demoed the Race XT version with the 120 fork. I was really really impressed! Super light, and capable of handling aggressive XC and medium trail riding. I currently ride a Mach 429T; when I replace it, I will be replacing it with a Mach 4 SL. A sub 25 pound bike with a 67.5į head angle. Itís awesome!

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    Thank You for the input folks. I do know the DW link is a good platform and the Mach SL looks like a great bike as well.
    I had an Epic and it was too soft for the trail riding I was doing. I could not agree with the Brain suspension no matter what I did with the settings. Although I am 200 lbs, it should have been better than it was.
    Perhaps this is why I was looking at the Trail 429 Team XTR or Stumpjumper S Works ST 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHS View Post
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    I had an Epic and it was too soft for the trail riding I was doing. ...
    I'm not sure what you mean by "too soft", but if you are referring to the stiffness of the bike, the Trail 429 will not disappoint. Prior to purchasing I rode both bikes you are looking at and I choose the Trail 429 because it felt much more stiff to me (both in terms of frame and suspension).

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    I have read that the Trail 429 is a stiff frame. That is what appeals to me about it. I am also curious about the Mach SL as that seems to be more of an XC and lighter bike but not sure on how stiff it is. I'll have to do my research but I do like the Pivots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHS View Post
    I have read that the Trail 429 is a stiff frame. That is what appeals to me about it. I am also curious about the Mach SL as that seems to be more of an XC and lighter bike but not sure on how stiff it is. I'll have to do my research but I do like the Pivots.
    I can attest to the stiffness of both bikes. I owned the Mach 4 SL, it's a fantastic bike. I bought it when I weighed 230 lbs. Diet and riding helped me drop down to 200 lbs. It is a capable stiff frame, and at my weight I didn't notice any frame flex. The bike went where you pointed it to go.
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    Last week I decided to try 27.5 in rear and 29 up front. It definitely felt different. On the tighter trails going down hill it did handle a little snappier, climbing was not nearly as good when I rode 29 front and rear, Which I used the zero stack headset cup. With the 79er combo I used the 17mm cup.

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    Any Trail 429 owners try the new 2020 Trek Top Fuel? I'd be interested in hearing comparisons, particularly with regards to climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I'm sorry, but, I need some pictures or this didn't happen. I'm not calling you a liar, but we haven't received a complaint of this happening.

    Yes, it is a fear that some people have, but unless you built your bike with an insane amount of cable hanging down, this doesn't happen. Your chain ring hits before the cable comes close to anything.

    Years of World Cup racing on frames with this cable hanging down, and no report of this ever happening.

    Years of product development, and history of these bikes out in the field, and I've yet to witness this happening, or hear of a customer reporting it to our customer service team.

    Years of bikes out in one of our 4 demo fleets, and not one issue of what you are suggesting.
    Hey Dan-This has happened to me and I will need to replace my rear mech cable. I could show you pics if it would be helpful to you.

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    Has anyone tried an angle set on their t429? I love the bike, but Iím just curious to see how it would feel with a little slacker head angle, 1/2 degree or so.

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    Do not know if an angle set would work with the integrated headset but have been running fork at 140MM which gives about 1/2 degree slacker-----yesterday I set if back to 130MM as the bike for me lost a bit of quickness in tight single track and wandered more on narrow steep climbs. Others I am sure have a different experience, especially in more wide-open high-speed areas. I really wanted to like the 140mm but was not for me---cheap thing to try $35 air shaft and an oil change

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    This bike has a couple years on it, anyone hearing any rumors of a updated version coming out?

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    Maybe the '20 switchbalde is an indication in the direction it will go. I hope they start making their bikes lighter, they are 0.5-1lb heavier than similar Ibis bikes.

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    No rumors on the T429. But itís due for an updated geo and the frame should go on a diet. My Switchblade is a pig. Just bought an Evil Offering. Feels like half the weight of the Pivot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinzippy View Post
    Maybe the '20 switchbalde is an indication in the direction it will go. I hope they start making their bikes lighter, they are 0.5-1lb heavier than similar Ibis bikes.
    Having ridden both, I'm aligned completely with the various pro H2H reviews, the Pivot benefits from the stronger, stiffer layup in the frame, much more composed and flex free when pushing hard. I'd take that for about a lb in weight all day long. These aren't XC bikes, right? Less weight almost certainly means shaving carbon somewhere, and knowing Pivot, they'll have sweated the details and put carbon where it's beneficial to have it.
    As for geo, for a trail bike, it's not far off, and nothing a headset tweak of offset bushings wouldn't bring right up with 'fashion'.
    The T429 is a simply great bike as it is, perfectly tuned for a light trail bike IMHO.

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    Strongly consider the 2020. I'm 5'10", so currently on the high end of a medium and low end of a large. I know, go ride them both, but that's tough with the current inventory around me. Currently ride Trek, which has the in between M/L frame size that I ride. Reach is shorter on a medium Pivot, but most other measurements are similar from M/L Trek to M Pivot. Anyone else at this height care to share frame size they went with? Thanks.

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    I'm 6'1" and usually right at the break point between a L and XL on most bikes. I went with the L trail 429 and am very happy. I think the XL would have been too big for me. I do tend to like smaller bikes, so it really is personal preference, but I'm pretty sure a M is not too small for someone that is 5'10" like you. Compare the effective top tube length to a bike you are comfortable on. Remember the reach measurement is affected by the seat tube angle, so two bikes with different reach measurements could feel similar if the seat angles are also different.

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    Two quick questions: 1) If I buy a TRAIL 429 CARBON 27.5+ RACE XT online, how are warranty issues handled vs an LBS? There is just no inventory for good bikes right now, and I can get it in two weeks right now through this reputable dealer and it's not to save money because it's the same as at an LBS. I prefer an LBS 2) I'm a shorter rider, and going to go back from the 29er because it's just not the right size for me after owning two good bikes. I prefer playful/poppy bikes anyway like the SC 5010 for example, but also want something that climbs very well. My concern is, why spec a trail bike that's known for good climbing with a big 2.8 27.5 tire. Won't this rob the 429 of it's climbing ability? It's already a heavy-ish bike for shorter travel bike. I actually bought this one and the YT Izzo Pro Race that is 26.5 lbs but not very confident on the delivery date and not sure of the fit and it's hard to buy something so expensive without demoing it.

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    Any LBS should be fine with issues----Pivot pays them for this after all and they will want your future BIZ--no different than moving and needing a new LBS ----I agree and would trash those big tires-----every bike I have ridden with them was not to my liking--others may like them but they always felt sluggish to me--I just run 2.4 29 minions

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    Sizing 2020 429 Pivot

    Thank you pctloper for the info. One thing I just found out, and this is where Covid-29 forcing us into buying without demoing is a problem: at 5'5 3/4 and a 29 inch inseam, Pivot recommends a Small on their site, while on the other bikes I've Owned (SC, Giant, etc.) I'm in the middle of the Small-Medium no man's land and I've always been told to err on the bigger side. So the Medium 429 I ordered is not recommended for my height on their site. I saw on a couple of Youtube reviews that the 2019 Pivot is on the smaller side of modern geometry, so I might be ok. Did anything change size/geometry-wise between the 2019 model and the 2020 models. Its so hard to find info on the 2020 model for some reason to compare.
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    Hmm----I have the 2020 429 Trail in large-----I also had owned the previous version also in large. The previous version ran small for sure and I think I could have ridden the XL---the 2020 seems to fit the same as the SC TB4, Giant Trance, Trek Fuel----but also feels larger in the cockpit than did the new Ripley----it was very small.

    I am 6 foot with a 34.5 inseam so not comparable for you----

    There has been no geo change on the Trail 429 since introduction----but was for sure
    from the older 429T----about an inch in reach and real ETT.
    When I struggled with sizing I found a forum person who set the seat height where I like it (30inches) and measured cockpit length at that height for me to mid stem-----then I could compare directly to bikes that fit me as I knew what dimension worked for me-----be terrible to end up with the wrong size--doing this I found that with the same reach the Pivot was a full inch longer than the Ripley for actual cockpit length---so geo is just a starting point

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    Quote Originally Posted by pctloper View Post
    ...doing this I found that with the same reach the Pivot was a full inch longer than the Ripley for actual cockpit length...
    ...because of the seat tube angle (which is much steeper on the Ripley). You need to look at effective top tube (ETT) length in conjunction with reach/seat angle. To me, the ETT is a much better measurement of bike size than reach. I know reach is the popular thing to talk about these days, but it only tells a small part of the bike fit story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjc115 View Post
    ...because of the seat tube angle (which is much steeper on the Ripley). You need to look at effective top tube (ETT) length in conjunction with reach/seat angle. To me, the ETT is a much better measurement of bike size than reach. I know reach is the popular thing to talk about these days, but it only tells a small part of the bike fit story.
    Agree with this! I am short legs/long torso/arms so find the reach measurement not effective for me at all with frame sizing. The 'new' long/low/slack geo seems to come with the super-steep seat post angle which pushes me too close to the bars on most 'Large' frames. That was what was so appealing with the T429 - I got it in a Large and it fits perfectly!

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    I agree on this----the steep seat tubes are not for me as they cramp the cockpit f(along with putting pressure on my hands)or my body type-----this removed the ripley from my list (I really wanted to love it) and was one of the keys for buying the Pivot in large----The Trek Fuel was also a front runner but I could not run a 30T ring on the carbon frame.

    Others really like the steep seat angle so you need to be aware of what works for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspagat View Post
    No rumors on the T429. But itís due for an updated geo and the frame should go on a diet. My Switchblade is a pig. Just bought an Evil Offering. Feels like half the weight of the Pivot.
    How does the Offering compare to your Pivot(SB I presume?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspagat View Post
    No rumors on the T429. But itís due for an updated geo and the frame should go on a diet. My Switchblade is a pig. Just bought an Evil Offering. Feels like half the weight of the Pivot.

    LOL. I want to see video evidence that there's a pound of difference.

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    Hi all... Quick intro, I'm getting back into biking after a long absence following a bad accident and injury. I've been road riding, and can't shake the need to get back on the dirt. I'll keep it mellow, nothing super challenging but plenty fun. Well, holy crap, how the bikes have changed since last had one! I feel totally clueless now!! Anyhow, I've figured out that I'm looking for a trail bike, and have gone on short (~1 hour) trail rides on the following: Ripley V4, Ripmo V2, Tallboy, and Trail 429. Of these, I like the Trail 429. I guess not everyone does, but I like its stiffness compared to the Ripley. I found it has less bob going uphill, but is perhaps less forgiving going downhill. I actually like the planted feel and trail feedback it gives. It's just a fun as hell bike to me.

    Dumb Question: I'm 5'11 and am leaning towards the Medium. Is there any reason I should push myself in to the size Large?? The Large Ripley was a great fit, but the Large T429 felt... a bit too large to me. I took out on the Medium T429 for a ride and preferred it to the Large. I feel like I'm right in between sizes on this bike. Medium might be a tad small with the Large just feeling a bit too stretched out and less controllable. Would the Large with a shorter stem be something I should consider? What are the tradeoffs here. Thanks!!

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    6'1" with ape arms, went with XL with 45mm stem. Fits like a glove. The short reach on the T429 means upsizing was a must IMHO. The Large felt just plain short. Plus it feels that bit more planted up and down with the longer wheelebase.

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    I'm feel the opposite of humdinger. I'm 6'1" and went with a Large, couldn't be happier. To me the XL felt way too big.

    ljgmdad: Go with what you are comfortable on and you will be happy.

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    Depends what you're used to and or want I guess. I wanted to be able to run the seat far forward as possible (to mitigate against the quite slack effective STA), and run a short stem. Doing this on the large meant it was super short in the effective top tube and reach, but otherwise handled fine. In the XL, it felt spot on. The stock XL with the longer factory stem and saddle middle position, it would have felt bigger.
    Each to their own, but remember to think about what feel you want. If you want to have a more XC bike, maybe run a longer stem and go smaller size to get the shorter wheelbase, whereas if you want a more versatile trail setup, I'd size up and be able to run short stems, and the greater stability from the longer wheelbase.
    Either way, try them out, and go for what you like, just don't judge it by factory setup, as you'll be misled. Superb bike, whatever size you choose

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    I'm right there with you on size, 5' 11" and 170 lbs. I have a friend who is almost identical to me and we are both riding the medium 429. I rode a friend's Ripmo (medium) and felt squeezed into the cockpit. The geometry of the Ripmo made for a very uncomfortable ride compared to the 429 I ended up buying. If you are settled on getting the 429 I would go with the medium, just my opinion. Let us know what your final decision is and how she feels once you get everything dialed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semi75 View Post
    ...leave a decent amount of slack ... slack due to the way Pivot designed it...
    I don't use a bottom water bottle so used it to keep the cable closePivot Trail 429-bike-cable-routing.jpg
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    Any rumors on a new Trail 429? Pivotís site has very few builds offered.


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    I actually asked on the Pivot "live help" page and the person said she doesn't expect a change to the 429 for a couple years at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJYeti View Post
    Any rumors on a new Trail 429? Pivotís site has very few builds offered.


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    Wait, what? They have 11 builds shown, including frame/fork. The only SKUs that I've seen them drop from current bikes is to eliminate the 27.5 offerings.

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    Woah, youíre right. When I looked yesterday there were only 5!


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    Pivot Trail 429

    Noone at the company is going to tell us anything yet but with the in line shock placement and downtube shape the 429 is looking pretty dated compared with mach 4 and switchblade updates.
    Sure it still rides as well as ever but I just canít bring myself to buy one now and I wonít be at all surprised if a revised version appears in the spring looking like a mini switchblade with straight tubes and a vertical shock. That might pry my wallet open.


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    They'd be better off saying "I don't know" than "no changes coming" though. I have a 429 on 24-hour rental right now... I say why change the rear linkage. This thing is so solid and so bob-free uphill. Don't F with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ljgmdad View Post
    They'd be better off saying "I don't know" than "no changes coming" though. I have a 429 on 24-hour rental right now... I say why change the rear linkage. This thing is so solid and so bob-free uphill. Don't F with that!
    Because it's an improvement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcp_nz View Post
    Noone at the company is going to tell us anything yet but with the in line shock placement and downtube shape the 429 is looking pretty dated compared with mach 4 and switchblade updates.
    Sure it still rides as well as ever but I just canít bring myself to buy one now and I wonít be at all surprised if a revised version appears in the spring looking like a mini switchblade with straight tubes and a vertical shock. That might pry my wallet open.


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    Point to any single model release that happened less than 3 years after the previous launch. I'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Ride View Post
    Point to any single model release that happened less than 3 years after the previous launch. I'll wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
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    Well, since we're talking about Pivot releases, that doesn't seem to particularly relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Ride View Post
    Well, since we're talking about Pivot releases, that doesn't seem to particularly relevant.
    I'm curious, but when was the previous Pivot Mach 429 Trail released? I googled a bit and the earliest date I found referencing its introduction was like June 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Ride View Post
    Well, since we're talking about Pivot releases, that doesn't seem to particularly relevant.
    Ibis hadn't done before either. Pivot made signification improvements with the new layout according to them.

    Most people are clever enough to know those same changes are eventual coming to the 429, so many may wait. It's in Pivots best interest to go ahead and refresh early.

    I'm looking for a new bike. The Ranger is at the top of the list. I like DW and CBF suspensions and Ibis took the Ripley V4 too far. Pivot has been more conservative in the geo changes, so the 429 is 2nd on my list even though I hate the super boost BS. There is no way I'd buy one now knowing it's getting major improvements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspagat View Post
    No rumors on the T429. But itís due for an updated geo and the frame should go on a diet. My Switchblade is a pig. Just bought an Evil Offering. Feels like half the weight of the Pivot.
    Iím a pig too My Switchblade is the heaviest bike Iíve ever had. But Iíll gladly take it and the T429. Iím sick of flexy, fragile frames.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Ride View Post
    Point to any single model release that happened less than 3 years after the previous launch. I'll wait.
    Well I believe the Mach 429 Trail was introduced June 2015 and the current trail 429 introduced in May 2018. So lets try and connect the dots ..... by the spring thatíll be 3 yrs and exactly when I suggested a new version may arrive.


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    Which size volume reducer are T429 riders running in their Fox DPS? Mine came with the largest size 1.0(red). Iíve switched to the .8 and now the .6 and itís much better. I weigh 180-185 without gear. Even so, Iím still thinking about switching shocks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Which size volume reducer are T429 riders running in their Fox DPS? Mine came with the largest size 1.0(red). Iíve switched to the .8 and now the .6 and itís much better. I weigh 180-185 without gear. Even so, Iím still thinking about switching shocks.


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    What shock are you thinking of switching to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicmatters View Post
    What shock are you thinking of switching to?
    The Manitou shocks are getting rave reviews on the Ripley forum. A buddy likes his DPX2 on his T429E.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    Iím a pig too My Switchblade is the heaviest bike Iíve ever had. But Iíll gladly take it and the T429. Iím sick of flexy, fragile frames.
    I agree, the Switchblade is definitely not flexy... itís super solid. I just have a harder time getting it off the ground compared to some other bikes Iíve spent time on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jspagat View Post
    I agree, the Switchblade is definitely not flexy... itís super solid. I just have a harder time getting it off the ground compared to some other bikes Iíve spent time on.
    How did you set up the suspension?

    Everyone knows I have a bias here... I work for PIVOT... But from all of the bikes I've ever ridden, this version of the Switchblade is the most Poppy bike I've ever been on.

    I found myself popping off anything I thought could give me a little bit of air. The bike is so playful and movable.
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