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    Pivot Switchblade

    Coming May 31st, according to Pivot website. Any ideas what it is?

    My old Titus Switchblade was one of my favorite bikes ever.

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    Just saw that... Looks like Chase had a hand in it... so, is it a longer travel 29r?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletboy View Post
    is it a longer travel 29r?
    That would be my guess. With a Hightower-like "switch" to be able to run 27.5+ with the same BB height?

    Design-wise, can Pivot get the chain stays shorter than 17.5"? It seems like every DW-link 29er has a minimum ~17.5" CS length (Turner, Ibis, Pivot). I personally prefer long stays - but I'm a leggy freak and I know this a deal breaker for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    That would be my guess. With a Hightower-like "switch" to be able to run 27.5+ with the same BB height?

    Design-wise, can Pivot get the chain stays shorter than 17.5"? It seems like every DW-link 29er has a minimum ~17.5" CS length (Turner, Ibis, Pivot). I personally prefer long stays - but I'm a leggy freak and I know this a deal breaker for some.
    Yeah, I would assume it has some sort of "switch", since Cocalis designed the Titus Switchblade to have adjustable rear travel from 4 to 5.5" IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanInTheD View Post
    Yeah, I would assume it has some sort of "switch", since Cocalis designed the Titus Switchblade to have adjustable rear travel from 4 to 5.5" IIRC.
    Configuration options seem to be all the rage. At Costco last night I saw paper towels that advertised that you could "create you're own sized sheets!" It seems everybody wants to be able to customize their shiny new purchase to suit themselves, while keeping all their options open down the road. OK, that's all fine and well, and Pivot seems to be adopting that philosophy lately - the LES is crazy flexible, Pivot advertises the Mach6 as the world's most "versatile" enduro bike, and the 429T can be run with 27.5 or 29. I wasn't really thinking of adjustable rear travel on the Switchblade, though. Maybe...

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    Only illegal in 15 states... haha

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    I'm stoked for this. please not a super slack sa and short reach

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    If the Switchblade is what I think it is, there will be a L white/orange 429T/XT 2x/LEV dropper for sale on this site for under $5k on May 31st.

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    It will be interesting to see if Pivot stays the course with their geometry (slacker seat angle, relatively short reach).

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    When the 429T came out, I was a little disappointed in the total travel - had been hoping for a "529" to replace my last bike. If this turns out to be that bike, I'm definitely jumping on one...

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    fingers crossed. aggressive plus/29 135-140 bike with reasonable sa and reach

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    fingers crossed. aggressive plus/29 135-140 bike with reasonable sa and reach
    Ditto.

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    I am having a 429tr built up as I write this... Think my LBS will let me retur/exchange it so I can at least see what is coming so I don't rush into anything.. More travel is like more horsepower, who doesnt want that?

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    more reach, shorter CS, steeper STA so its rideable. Otherwise exciting . Just got rid of my 429T so there is room.

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    What the world does not need is another 120-140 mid-travel 29er. Wreckoning, E29, this is the forefront...
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    Ummmm for what? What is this forefront? Mid travel bikes are so good now these longer travel am bikes are becoming more useless by the day

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    I am sure it will rewrite the book on how we think about 29er OR 27.5+ bikes depending on what it is and Aaron C will rip on it like he does on every bike. My hope is its 150mm+ category, maybe even 180mm. Something like new Uzzi in carbon or WFO type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    more reach, shorter CS, steeper STA so its rideable. Otherwise exciting . Just got rid of my 429T so there is room.
    Um, I think Chris Cocalis knows how to make a bike that's rideable. Maybe not for you and some others, but, if that's the case, there are other makers. Some of us like to move around on our saddle for different pitches and don't want the seat over the BB.

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    I heard from my LBS that it is a 29er. Has anyone ever made a 29er DW link bike with over 130mm travel??? I did a google search and couldn't find one...

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    I'm guessing 130-135mm travel with a 150 fork by the kit that the guy in the photo's wearing. Knee pads and launching off of something. And maybe some kind of "switch" to adjust geometry and/or travel. Sort of a Firebird replacement.

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    Well that shoots down my idea of a 5" travel 27.5 being announced on May 27th

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    Though a longer travel Mach 4 (5.7 replacement) would be great; having ridden both the 5.7 and the Mach 6, I'd say if your heart is set on 27.5, you wouldn't be disappointed with the Mach 6. It climbs as well as a shorter travel bike (I came close to PR on a local climb that I used for a test ride) and is super playful with the dropper post.

    (assuming you haven't ridden one yet - if you have, forget what I posted)

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    i hear it's a 29/27.5 plus bike 150 front 135 rear. no word on geo

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    i really dig pivot so i hope the geo isn't a let down

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    isn't the pic on their website a B+ wheelsize? From the looks of things, it will be at least a B+ bike ... hoping the switchblade name represents a switch in geo rather than travel/etc ... something similar to a Hightower. I've been waiting on a new B+/29er with somewhere around 130-140 rear / 140-150 front travel. Keeping my fingers crossed. Judging from Pivots other bikes, I'm sure they will introduce another efficient pedaler ... not too worried about the geometry since Pivot has been dead on with all their other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrob View Post
    I heard from my LBS that it is a 29er. Has anyone ever made a 29er DW link bike with over 130mm travel??? I did a google search and couldn't find one...
    The BMC Trailfox comes close with it's AS profile. The overall AS numbers would probably need to be a bit higher, but it replicates the flat AS mid-travel section unique to DW bikes, where other bikes bog-down when the suspension activates and you try to accelerate (pedal).

    That said, more aggressive 29ers is awesome. With modern materials, there's no reason you can't get another 20mm and have something that will hold up just fine for the occasional bike-park days (and not be severely under-biked).
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    I'll guess 27.5+ with 140mm fork and 130mm rear suspension featuring some type of "switch" that allows you to run it high/low like the Trek mini link or whatever that thing is. No 29er option. Targeted at crushing the 5010 and SB5c.

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    Stumpjumper killer. 135mm rear travel 150 front 29er
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    I'll guess 27.5+ with 140mm fork and 130mm rear suspension featuring some type of "switch" that allows you to run it high/low like the Trek mini link or whatever that thing is. No 29er option. Targeted at crushing the 5010 and SB5c.
    You could be right! An Ibis Mojo 3 rival

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    Not mojo 3 rival. Hightower rival

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    Wow I hope its a hightower or yeti 5.5 I'll jump back on a Pivot for sure. Can't wait

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    Per the just-received MB Action:

    -29 or 27.5+, up to 3.25" tires on the 27.5+ wheels
    -long and low with 16.85" chainstays
    -135mm rear travel, 150mm Fox 36 fork
    -no mention of any "switch" or adjustable link or anything
    -DW link, yada, yada
    -2 photos: carbon with red (not outlined red like the others), and blue with red (like the one on the website)


    Too much bike for me, but right up some of you guys' alley.

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    I'll take one, thanks!

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    wow 16.85 cs..how did they get it so short? whats the seat tube angle? sounds like exactly what i want

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    I'll take one please


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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    I'll take one please


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    I wonder if running a 140 fork up front is possible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post


    I wonder if running a 140 fork up front is possible...

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    Hmmmm. Once we know the bottom bracket height then it will be easier to make that decision. Maybe it's a 150mm fork in plus mode like the HT and 140mm fork pizza slicer mode


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    my interest level is peaked. i want to see pics and geo

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    fingers crossed. aggressive plus/29 135-140 bike with reasonable sa and reach
    Like the rocky mountain instinct BC edition? Will be interested to see what Pivot comes up with. My rocky BC is sweet so I'm not looking to change bikes for a couple seasons and will likely stay with rocky assuming they continue to produce an instinct bc and just refine and tweak, because the bike slays everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanInTheD View Post
    Per the just-received MB Action:

    -29 or 27.5+, up to 3.25" tires on the 27.5+ wheels
    -long and low with 16.85" chainstays
    -135mm rear travel, 150mm Fox 36 fork
    -no mention of any "switch" or adjustable link or anything
    -DW link, yada, yada
    -2 photos: carbon with red (not outlined red like the others), and blue with red (like the one on the website)


    Too much bike for me, but right up some of you guys' alley.
    I guess I'll have to track down a copy of MBA in the grocery store!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I guess I'll have to track down a copy of MBA in the grocery store!
    Post some pics if you do!

    This sounds like the bike you've been waiting for Vik!

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    I'm not getting too excited yet. Long and low are not words I would use to describe my dream bike.

    I am curious enough to crack the cover of MBA [at the store] and take a look though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'm not getting too excited yet. Long and low are not words I would use to describe my dream bike.

    I am curious enough to crack the cover of MBA [at the store] and take a look though.
    Long and low in terms of Pivot Cycles probably isn't all that long and low comparatively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Long and low in terms of Pivot Cycles probably isn't all that long and low comparatively.
    One can hope. Either way it will be great to see a new Pivot model. It doesn't matter if it ends up in my garage or not. Good to see the company coming out with their new ideals regardless.
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    Indeed!

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    Thanks.

    I like the bikepacking friendly shock placement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanInTheD View Post
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    I had a Mach 6 and now have a Trail 429. Love both bikes If the Switchblade follows the above leaked geo/stats then I think it fills a gap in the lineup for Pivot. The Mach 6 is great for super chunky locations i.e. Desert Southwest and East Coast Big Mountains like Virginia and NC. Trail 429 is perfect for probably 80% of riders and locations in the USA. For me I spend time between Coastal CA, Tahoe, Downieville, Rocky Mtn and Desert Southwest. Think the stats on the Switchblade will present itself as a Swiss Army Knife for me. Keep in mind I'm not a 29er hater. So bikes like the Santa Cruz 5010 do not make much sense to me. If you are going to go with short-ish travel because you are doing more epic/aerobic riding, then I think you should go with bigger wheels. At the same time, I get how you might want a bike with more trail feel but the ability to get the 27.5 wheels off the ground. We are lucky to have so much choice. Wonder if Pivot will make a competing bike to the 5010 or the Transition Scout. I've ridden Specialized 6Fattie FSR. Not sure I am sold on the mid fat tires for full suspension. If the tires are too firm they skid out easily with the lower profile treads. If they are too soft they bottom out quite easily messing up the rim etc. I don't think the wheels and tires are there yet on the plus gear to go as big as full susp. will let you get away with. I like plus tires on hard tails because I think it allows you to go bigger when you don't have the advantage of full suspension. If I get the Switchblade I will immediately sell the stock DT Swiss Spline 2 M1700 29er wheels....so lame they keep using this XC wheelset for all mountain bikes, and get the Ibis 938 aluminum wide rims to run 2.3x29 tires with a wider profile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Headed to my mirror to read it

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    Ha! Good one. I was just posting a pic of the bike from Photo Booth cuz vic said he was gonna go to the grocery to see a pic of the bike so I thought I'd save him a trip. I can't figure out how to get my photos from iPhoto to upload on here and post them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanInTheD View Post
    Ha! Good one. I was just posting a pic of the bike from Photo Booth cuz vic said he was gonna go to the grocery to see a pic of the bike so I thought I'd save him a trip. I can't figure out how to get my photos from iPhoto to upload on here and post them.
    Just giving you a hard time Is it the July issue?

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    Thanks for posting it.
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    The seattube/DT junction looks Knolly-esque, I guess that'd be how they got the chainstays shorter.

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    OK there you go. You must be the same age as my teenagers if you know how to do that stuff. lol

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    What's the seat tube angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    What's the seat tube angle?
    We should know tommorrow. My LBS has some in stock but is holding off on getting them on the floor till Friday. I did find out thru alternative source that the price is going to skyrocket and availability is going to be very limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    What's the seat tube angle?
    74.25 for medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    74.25 for medium.

    Francis! Did Pivot send you one to review? (Can I borrow it?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swinkey View Post
    Francis! Did Pivot send you one to review? (Can I borrow it?)
    I rode it for three days in Moab. Headed home now. Will publish at midnight.
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    Just buy it.
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    This thing seriously sounds bad ass

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    details now up at Pivot's website

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    Sweet! Glad I haven't built a Boost 148 rear wheel yet

    Geo looks killer, especially in 29er form. Bravo Pivot!


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    Woohoo new hub standard. Geo looks good indeed with a roomy cockpit.

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    Will there be a frame only option?

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    Here's the video link. BTW, the rear hub isn't really a new standard as you can run an existing 157mm DH hub (same as the carbon Phoenix ) OR you can build a new Boost version. The difference between the 2 hubs is simply flange spacing, both have the rotor in the same location so fitting either version isn't an issue.



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    157 makes more sense to me than 148.

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    holy shiz pivot. nice work. i want

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    This is the bike I wanted when I bought my 429T...a little bummed but not so much as the Trail has been wonderful. I'll be getting one of these as soon as their supply loosens up a bit around July/August (just in time for Downieville!!)

    Full review up on Bikerumor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    holy shiz pivot. nice work. i want
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    Are any of the builds less than 10k? All XTR, all carbon wheels. From 1 minute glance...

    Those look like wide carbon rims too.

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    Now I know why I was hanging onto my King 150mm rear a 20mm front 29er wheels off my old lunch box. Looks like I may not be able to do this. I may need to convert my i9s then.
    Just need a new axle and good to go.

    Is the only difference between the 29er and 27.5+ are the wheels and tires? Forks are the same? Because I would order the 27.5 since I have a set of 29er wheels already.

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    I predicted the rise of Super Boost...although I was calling it Boosty Boost.

    and I was pretty sure I could just wait out the demise of Boost...I didn't realize it would be this short a wait!

    Now I predict Boost MEGA!

    Lots of nice features and details on this bike. Not sure it's the right bike for me, but hopefully I can get a ride on one when I am down in UT/AZ this fall.

    I've added it to my list of potential new 29ers.
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    I wonder what the opinion of Pivot would be on running a 140mm 29er fork up front with the 17mm lower cup?

    I already have a nearly brand new 2016 Fox 34 140mm fork that I'd like to use if possible.

    Does the frameset come with both lower headset cup options?

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    Bravo to Pivot for pushing the envelope.

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    which size are you looking at CollinM? as usual.... on the cusp sizes.

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    Probably a large at 5'11. Seat tube is short enough at 18 inches to run a 170mm dropper if I wanted to with my long legs (34.5 inch cycling inseam).

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    Going to do so! Anyone interested in a lightly used 429T/L/XT 2x?

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    Wow this is a beautifully designed bike! I like the rear 157 hub with the wider flange spacing. This makes more sense than 148. It sounds like it uses a 73mm BB with slightly different offset chain rings. Am I correct in this?
    Very cool bike and so versitle. I loved my past Pivots and this could become another for me.
    I wonder what the frame weight is at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Wow this is a beautifully designed bike! I like the rear 157 hub with the wider flange spacing. This makes more sense than 148. It sounds like it uses a 73mm BB with slightly different offset chain rings. Am I correct in this?
    Very cool bike and so versitle. I loved my past Pivots and this could become another for me.
    I wonder what the frame weight is at?
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    Finally a sensible reach and STA numbers. Good job Pivot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I wonder what the opinion of Pivot would be on running a 140mm 29er fork up front with the 17mm lower cup?

    I already have a nearly brand new 2016 Fox 34 140mm fork that I'd like to use if possible.

    Does the frameset come with both lower headset cup options?
    I would think that would work but you could also buy the 150 air spring and change them out. Also running a 160 fork on this bike would be a good option in b+.
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    I'm not sure that the 2016 Fox 34 can be set at 150?

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    I was thinking it had 10mm increments in travel, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I was thinking it had 10mm increments in travel, no?
    I just know they don't offer a 150mm version in stock form. I hope I'm wrong

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    Wow, I like this. Might get me back on a Pivot. I was all set on either Hightower or SB55 next. But I didn't want to spend SB55 money and haven't had a chance to demo Hightower yet. Guess I need to look for a Pivot demo.

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    "We needed super stiff wheels for all of the hardcore pounding we were going to do on this bike."

    "And then we specced it with an XC shock."

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    ^^ that did seem weird. The SB frame weight is pretty comparable to the M6 once you factor in the lighter shock.

    It would be nice to have a burlier shock option/no shock option on a frame only purchase so you don't have to replace the shock for a more aggressive build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Here's the video link. BTW, the rear hub isn't really a new standard as you can run an existing 157mm DH hub (same as the carbon Phoenix ) OR you can build a new Boost version. The difference between the 2 hubs is simply flange spacing, both have the rotor in the same location so fitting either version isn't an issue.



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    Not half-assed roadie revamps.

    A nail in the coffin of 148.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Wow this is a beautifully designed bike! I like the rear 157 hub with the wider flange spacing. This makes more sense than 148. It sounds like it uses a 73mm BB with slightly different offset chain rings. Am I correct in this?
    Very cool bike and so versitle. I loved my past Pivots and this could become another for me.
    I wonder what the frame weight is at?
    It uses a PF92 BB. That is a bottom bracket shell that is 92mm wide which matches the width of a 73mm BSA. The use of a slightly longer spindle (143mm on RF Next SL 1X), and flipping the race face ring achieves the chainline needed while maintaining a reasonable q-factor
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    As a relatively fresh owner of 429T , I'm not tooo happy about this haha, but in reality 429T is amazingly capable bike, extremely versatile and fun.
    Switchblade looks good on paper, but I doubt it will be as agile and zippy.
    It will rip down at speed over open gnarly trails no doubt.

    Wondering about ETT sizing for the same saddle height compared to 429T?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattyboughton View Post
    It uses a PF92 BB. That is a bottom bracket shell that is 92mm wide which matches the width of a 73mm BSA. The use of a slightly longer spindle (143mm on RF Next SL 1X), and flipping the race face ring achieves the chainline needed while maintaining a reasonable q-factor
    Thanks for that info. That's one of the good things about the cinch system is ability to change axle lengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
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    Very similar on weight to our Followings. I'm still digging my Following and not in the market now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Very similar on weight to our Followings. I'm still digging my Following and not in the market now.
    I was hating on my Following for a minute because of how it was climbing. I demoed an Ibis Ripley LS and got even for hate for it. But then I dropped my MRP stage to 130mm and its like a completely new bike. So I am kinda in the market. But still going to rip my Following for now. It has been good to me for West Virginia Enduro Series racing.


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    Here's a couple drawings that explain the new hub better. An old DH 157 will indeed work. But it will be less laterally stiff on a 29er. Don't have the exact number on that yet. Anybody a math wiz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhand80 View Post
    I was hating on my Following for a minute because of how it was climbing. I demoed an Ibis Ripley LS and got even for hate for it. But then I dropped my MRP stage to 130mm and its like a completely new bike. So I am kinda in the market. But still going to rip my Following for now. It has been good to me for West Virginia Enduro Series racing.


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    You must have longer legs/ slacker SA than me. I ride my Stage at 140 and it really climbs great for me. In high/ 140 Stage I measure my effective SA at 74+ deg and 73.5 in low setting.
    I took the bike down to Pisgah for a week late last month and ride it in low with the Stage at 140. I rode a bunch of laps off of clawhammer and Laurel/ Pilot and it did surprisingly well for how slack it was. It did shred the descents though.
    I've got it set up in my endurance build now with the RS-1 120 and it's really well mannered up and down. The RS-1 is amazingly plush and bottomless (2 tokens) for only 120mm travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    You must have longer legs/ slacker SA than me. I ride my Stage at 140 and it really climbs great for me. In high/ 140 Stage I measure my effective SA at 74+ deg and 73.5 in low setting.
    I took the bike down to Pisgah for a week late last month and ride it in low with the Stage at 140. I rode a bunch of laps off of clawhammer and Laurel/ Pilot and it did surprisingly well for how slack it was. It did shred the descents though.
    I've got it set up in my endurance build now with the RS-1 120 and it's really well mannered up and down. The RS-1 is amazingly plush and bottomless (2 tokens) for only 120mm travel.
    He's a long legged freak like me

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    You must have longer legs/ slacker SA than me. I ride my Stage at 140 and it really climbs great for me. In high/ 140 Stage I measure my effective SA at 74+ deg and 73.5 in low setting.
    I took the bike down to Pisgah for a week late last month and ride it in low with the Stage at 140. I rode a bunch of laps off of clawhammer and Laurel/ Pilot and it did surprisingly well for how slack it was. It did shred the descents though.
    I've got it set up in my endurance build now with the RS-1 120 and it's really well mannered up and down. The RS-1 is amazingly plush and bottomless (2 tokens) for only 120mm travel.
    35" cycling inseam.
    I did similar trails while in Pisgah in March. The Following gave me so much confidence. It killed the descents. I am hoping I enjoy the bike on the climbs better now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
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    35" cycling inseam.
    I did similar trails while in Pisgah in March. The Following gave me so much confidence. It killed the descents. I am hoping I enjoy the bike on the climbs better now.


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    Yep, it looks like this Switchblade with its steeper ST would fit you long legged guys better for sure. You know it's going to climb and descend well because it's a Pivot, plus room for a PB shock. Like someone mentioned earlier a Float X or X2 option would be a good bet for this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Yep, it looks like this Switchblade with its steeper ST would fit you long legged guys better for sure. You know it's going to climb and descend well because it's a Pivot, plus room for a PB shock. Like someone mentioned earlier a Float X or X2 option would be a good bet for this bike.
    I'm going to try and wait to see what Intense has up their sleeves.

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    Repeating an earlier question: do any of you know if a frame only option will be offered?

    This has me very interested, considering I could use my I9 wheels from my current Lunchbox...already have the rear spacing at 157.

    I thought I had decided on a Riot, but this may sway me.

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    I'm sure there will be a frame only option - all their other bikes have a frame only and frame/fork/headset/bb option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    As a relatively fresh owner of 429T , I'm not tooo happy about this haha, but in reality 429T is amazingly capable bike, extremely versatile and fun.
    Switchblade looks good on paper, but I doubt it will be as agile and zippy.
    It will rip down at speed over open gnarly trails no doubt.

    Wondering about ETT sizing for the same saddle height compared to 429T?
    You and 1000's of others. The biking industry has been crazy lately with all the bad ass bikes coming out. You wait for the bike you think you really want and in six months time, six new sweet bikes come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Here's a couple drawings that explain the new hub better. An old DH 157 will indeed work. But it will be less laterally stiff on a 29er. Don't have the exact number on that yet. Anybody a math wiz?
    Fc. How is the heel clearance on the chainstays? Are you hitting them while peddaling. With such short stays and wide spacing shoes must constantly rub on sides if not hit rear deraileur. Five ten sam hills are pretty wide shoes im using and i have issues even with boost bikes. Now the superboost kind of make me wonder. Need to demo to decide. Could be tough for otherwise a great bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyam3 View Post
    Fc. How is the heel clearance on the chainstays? Are you hitting them while peddaling. With such short stays and wide spacing shoes must constantly rub on sides if not hit rear deraileur. Five ten sam hills are pretty wide shoes im using and i have issues even with boost bikes. Now the superboost kind of make me wonder. Need to demo to decide. Could be tough for otherwise a great bike
    He commented in his review that heel strikes and rubbing was a non-issue for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyam3 View Post
    Fc. How is the heel clearance on the chainstays? Are you hitting them while peddaling. With such short stays and wide spacing shoes must constantly rub on sides if not hit rear deraileur. Five ten sam hills are pretty wide shoes im using and i have issues even with boost bikes. Now the superboost kind of make me wonder. Need to demo to decide. Could be tough for otherwise a great bike
    Heel clearance is excellent and better than their Mach 4 even. This is accomplished by highly curved stays and allowing a max rear rotor size of 180mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
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    Then it comes down to VPP vs. DW Link, feature set and how they ride. That's an over simplification of course but both are respectable brands, I'd be plenty happy supporting either company again with my business and I really like both companies. I've had some stellar customer service from Intense with a free crash replacement rear triangle after 3 years of ownership and that's a perfect example of why someone would want to support these great innovative brands like Pivot!
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    I have a VPP bike Nomad MK2 and a 2014 Mach 6. They feel totally different, but I like them both a lot. It took a while until I got my suspension adjusted to make the most from both designs. I'm a custom shock away from perfection on the M6, but it's pretty good as is.

    It comes down to personal preference which one you choose as I think they offer excellent performance once properly setup.

    Frequently when I hear complaining about either I get the feeling the bike isn't setup right, but there is no way to diagnose that remotely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I have a VPP bike Nomad MK2 and a 2014 Mach 6. They feel totally different, but I like them both a lot. It took a while until I got my suspension adjusted to make the most from both designs. I'm a custom shock away from perfection on the M6, but it's pretty good as is.

    It comes down to personal preference which one you choose as I think they offer excellent performance once properly setup.

    Frequently when I hear complaining about either I get the feeling the bike isn't setup right, but there is no way to diagnose that remotely.
    I'd have to agree. I've owned a few of both brands and with custom tuned shocks. Dialing in suspension and balance front to rear is the key. I'm a huge fan of DW's suspensions and now I'm rocking the DELTA on my Following which I love. I've climbed the hardest shit on this bike and it shreds the downs. I'd definitely own another Pivot if I was in the market. So many good bikes now it's hard to make a bad choice really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    So many good bikes now it's hard to make a bad choice really.
    I agree most of the leading bikes are amazing machines and from that perspective it's hard to buy junk when shopping at that level.

    I would say it's definitely possible to buy a bike that is poorly matched to your specific needs and not have an enjoyable experience. So choosing wisely is still important.
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    Soooooo, this bike fixes everything I didn't like about my 429T. Shorter tays, steeper seat tube, more reach (finally), and more rear travel. I think I'll need to try this. Little annoying that I'll need new wheels but hey, can't have enough wheels. Curious choice on the 740mm handlebar and all shimano components. Hope they offer the frame set too, maybe with wheels .

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    My dilemma - have both Mach 6 and 429 carbon - Rides I do are either lots of climbing and distance or lots of climbing with chunky downs. If more climbing or distance I pick Mach 429. If technical DH involved I pick the M6. You guys think this bike could cover all the bases? Something tells me I wouldn't be as happy on 40 plus mile rides with this bike.

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    Key question, for me at least, which none of the reviewers has addressed so far, is if I have two bikes, an LT 27.5 trail/enduro and an ST 29 xc/trail, would this be a better bet? Is the multi-config option in all directions enough to merit ditching 2 bikes for the 1? Would that be a step up, sideways, or compromised?
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    Hmmm... great minds? (see below) As I'm typing you're posting...
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    My dilemma - have both Mach 6 and 429 carbon - Rides I do are either lots of climbing and distance or lots of climbing with chunky downs. If more climbing or distance I pick Mach 429. If technical DH involved I pick the M6. You guys think this bike could cover all the bases? Something tells me I wouldn't be as happy on 40 plus mile rides with this bike.
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    But one of the pleasure of owning 2 bikes is the ability to alternate. To have one, uhh, on the side. Also nice to have a backup when one is sidelined with maintenance issues.

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    Is Fox 36 Plus size like 34 Plus, love the width of the 34 .

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    Hmmm... great minds? (see below) As I'm typing you're posting...


    I have no doubt how the Switchblade would descend. Seems very capable there. I am curious how it fares for XC riding and lots of climbing. When I am on the Mach 6 it climbs OK but not as good as the 429 carbon even with identical tires. The fork becomes an issue keeping down when getting around tight uphill switchbacks. Perhaps the steeper seat angle of this bike helps with that. In general I am about 20 percent faster climbing with the 429. Nice to have two, but it is very expensive and time consuming to keep two.

    Come to think of it I think it boils down to this: when I am on the Mach 6, for that bikes's intention, do I miss 29er tires? I don't.

    On the XC side I put on a lot of miles a year (around 4K) and I think for XC and light trail, my current 429 carbon with a 130 fox 34 is ideal for that. If I got rid of it I am sure I would miss it for that kind of riding.








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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    My dilemma - have both Mach 6 and 429 carbon - Rides I do are either lots of climbing and distance or lots of climbing with chunky downs. If more climbing or distance I pick Mach 429. If technical DH involved I pick the M6. You guys think this bike could cover all the bases? Something tells me I wouldn't be as happy on 40 plus mile rides with this bike.
    I'm sure the SB will be fine as a one-bike-to-rule-them-all-solution if you accept it won't be charging the DH as well as the M6 or grinding out the XC as well as the 429. It will be a compromise.

    Doesn't mean it's a bad compromise...that really depends on your needs.

    If it was me in that situation I'd just keep riding what I had. Give it some time once the SB is in the hands of customers that paid for their bikes you'll start to see the marketing hype evaporate and some reality come through. It will be easier to decide and you might even get a demo ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'm sure the SB will be fine as a one-bike-to-rule-them-all-solution if you accept it won't be charging the DH as well as the M6 or grinding out the XC as well as the 429. It will be a compromise.

    Doesn't mean it's a bad compromise...that really depends on your needs.

    If it was me in that situation I'd just keep riding what I had. Give it some time once the SB is in the hands of customers that paid for their bikes you'll start to see the marketing hype evaporate and some reality come through. It will be easier to decide and you might even get a demo ride.
    Excellent points as usual Vic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    But one of the pleasure of owning 2 bikes is the ability to alternate. To have one, uhh, on the side. Also nice to have a backup when one is sidelined with maintenance issues.
    Very true. There's really no such thing as a one bike solution, and with one bike when you break a component or for whatever reason cannot ride it, that down time can be a b!tch. Although I have to say that if I was forced to have only one bike the Switchblade would probably be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABQ Clydesdale View Post
    Repeating an earlier question: do any of you know if a frame only option will be offered?

    This has me very interested, considering I could use my I9 wheels from my current Lunchbox...already have the rear spacing at 157.

    I thought I had decided on a Riot, but this may sway me.

    Thanks!
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    Heel clearance is excellent and better than their Mach 4 even. This is accomplished by highly curved stays and allowing a max rear rotor size of 180mm.
    I have size 48 shoes and had no issues on my ride.


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    No Switchblade for me this year then, just as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    No Switchblade for me this year then, just as well.
    Bummer. I was hoping to buy it off you next spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Bummer. I was hoping to buy it off you next spring.
    We all lose! This does give me ample time however to evaluate what coming down the pike. Thankfully I'm content at the moment with my Spider Comp 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    We all lose! This does give me ample time however to evaluate what coming down the pike. Thankfully I'm content at the moment with my Spider Comp 29.
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    Right on, but I was more interested in the advantages (or not) of 1 bike that serves two riding purposes (or more) vs. two dedicated bikes. Francis made a big point of the Switchblade geo not staying the same in both configs. But wd familiarity with the bike in all other aspects outweigh the mental switching you do if you ride 2 bikes. It does take me a bit of ride time to adjust between the LT 27.5 and the ST 29 whenever I've been riding one for extended periods. Curious if the transition is more seamless when it's the same bike, just diff wheels. If there's no advantage then I go back to our original question: What reasons would be better to have one bike to do 2 configs instead of 2 bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
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    No frame kit,thats how I bought the first generation Mach 6,that would be dumbass not to offer it!!!

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    i'm told there will be a frame only option this fall next run

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    Pivot Switchblade

    My thoughts on this is that Pivot is releasing the initial couple runs of these bikes as full kits to their best dealers only. By doing this they can control the customers experience with a controlled build and dealer service experience. It's really a good way to go for the dealers and Pivot but for those of us that like building and customizing our bike builds we have to wait for frames only.
    My suggestion to those riders is ride what you got and get a frame when they release them.
    This could be one of those quiver killer bikes (I personally like my quiver) for a large % of aggressive riders. Only time will tell.
    There are other examples of this type of sales distribution currently in the market place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Is Fox 36 Plus size like 34 Plus, love the width of the 34 .
    I don't think the Fox 36plus has been released yet..
    The fork being shipped with the Switchblade is the Boost version of Fox36.
    This brings up the question of what fork will work with a 3.25 B+ tire and have 150mm travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Probably a large at 5'11. Seat tube is short enough at 18 inches to run a 170mm dropper if I wanted to with my long legs (34.5 inch cycling inseam).
    Built a medium today, I'm your size (5'11" with 34" inseam)...go with the large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    I don't think the Fox 36plus has been released yet..
    The fork being shipped with the Switchblade is the Boost version of Fox36.
    This brings up the question of what fork will work with a 3.25 B+ tire and have 150mm travel
    I'd use either an MRP Stage/ 29 or a Fox 34/ 29 fork and adjust the travel accordingly for the wheel and tire size. Boost or no boost up front, either fork will accommodate up to a 29x3 tire.
    Some bigger rides would surely benefit from the 36 and I'm sure it's evolving to accommodate some of the new ideas as well.
    The Stage is a stout fork and super silky!
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I'd use either an MRP Stage/ 29 or a Fox 34/ 29 fork and adjust the travel accordingly for the wheel and tire size. Boost or no boost up front, either fork will accommodate up to a 29x3 tire.
    Some bigger rides would surely benefit from the 36 and I'm sure it's evolving to accommodate some of the new ideas as well.
    The Stage is a stout fork and super silky!

    I have a 29x3 setup and it can rub in an MRP Stage contrary to what has been said.
    It is a super good fork.. And, I know MRP is working on a 110Boost version that should be good for a 3.0 tire
    the Fox34+ fork is only available up to 140mm but it does have huge clearance and will handle up to a 27.5x3.8 Hodag

    I'm hoping some new forks will be out soon.
    But, for now I don't know of anything to handle a 45mm rim and 3.0+ tire and can be had with 150 travel..

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    Pivot Switchblade

    I have a Stage and some Chupacabras on Dually's. They clear most conditions and I don't ride them in mud. It's kinda close but they work. I have an RS-1 for plus tires but it wouldn't work on this bike. Works well on my Following!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    My dilemma - have both Mach 6 and 429 carbon - Rides I do are either lots of climbing and distance or lots of climbing with chunky downs. If more climbing or distance I pick Mach 429. If technical DH involved I pick the M6. You guys think this bike could cover all the bases? Something tells me I wouldn't be as happy on 40 plus mile rides with this bike.
    Yes, definitely. I owned a Mach 6 and a Mach 4. This bike would replace both with one lovely solution.

    The ideal setup would be to have two wheelsets, 29er and Plus. 29er for the long, fast rides. Plus wil be for the chunky, loose dirt, rugged adventures.

    But they won't sell a spare wheelset for now on the alternate size. One has to choose til then.

    They won't sell a frame for now I think since there are not a lot of options to get the wheels and cranks easily. Those will be increasing and developing over the next year.
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    Sizing on this bike is very long. I'm usually a medium size with 5'8" and 30 inseam. But on this bike, they put me on a small. I actually didn't notice til the second day that I was on a small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Yes, definitely. I owned a Mach 6 and a Mach 4. This bike would replace both with one lovely solution.

    The ideal setup would be to have two wheelsets, 29er and Plus. 29er for the long, fast rides. Plus wil be for the chunky, loose dirt, rugged adventures.

    But they won't sell a spare wheelset for now on the alternate size. One has to choose til then.

    They won't sell a frame for now I think since there are not a lot of options to get the wheels and cranks easily. Those will be increasing and developing over ether next year.
    Not sure if this would replace my 429 C - reason is I am concerned about that slack head tube angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post

    But they won't sell a spare wheelset for now on the alternate size. One has to choose til then.

    They won't sell a frame for now I think since there are not a lot of options to get the wheels and cranks easily. Those will be increasing and developing over the next year.
    I wonder:- what did Pivot gain by introducing this new standard. Everybody was expecting long travel 29er with modern geometry from them. They finally delivered. - Why kill the excitement with the new standard and no frame sets available for sale? (Untill next year ) I wonder if they went the way of Hightower - 1x drivetrain, 148 spacing and $2500 frame - similar to what they did with 429trail - the best selling bike in their lineup- would they have achieved more sales and less controversy. Peiple can just switch the parts from other bikes or easily buy a frame. Why mess with success?

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    i'm looking for a picture of an XL frame.

    All i saw was rather small frame. The seat tube of the xl looks pretty short, i think the saddle must be very high from the top tube. Would like to check it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 20.100 FR View Post
    i'm looking for a picture of an XL frame.

    All i saw was rather small frame. The seat tube of the xl looks pretty short, i think the saddle must be very high from the top tube. Would like to check it.
    XL ST = 19.5" long. That's an inch lower than a XL Mach 6.
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    I am thinking about the 29er build with the D T SWISS rims. I have a new set of enve hv m70 sitting here. Front wheel no problem as it's boost to boost. Rear wheel I would need to swap the hubs between the stock build and the enves. Anyone thinking about a similar approach? Possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    I am thinking about the 29er build with the D T SWISS rims. I have a new set of enve hv m70 sitting here. Front wheel no problem as it's boost to boost. Rear wheel I would need to swap the hubs between the stock build and the enves. Anyone thinking about a similar approach? Possible?
    That looks like a good plan to me..
    I've got a set of Nextie's just waiting to be laced up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    I have a 29x3 setup and it can rub in an MRP Stage contrary to what has been said.
    It is a super good fork.. And, I know MRP is working on a 110Boost version that should be good for a 3.0 tire
    the Fox34+ fork is only available up to 140mm but it does have huge clearance and will handle up to a 27.5x3.8 Hodag

    I'm hoping some new forks will be out soon.
    But, for now I don't know of anything to handle a 45mm rim and 3.0+ tire and can be had with 150 travel..
    Actually it does exist, I have a 2016 Fox 34 Plus Factory
    150mm , bought as a take off from a Specialized 6fattie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    Sizing on this bike is very long. I'm usually a medium size with 5'8" and 30 inseam. But on this bike, they put me on a small. I actually didn't notice til the second day that I was on a small.
    That's good to know. I'm 5'7" and a really short inseam. I'm on a small Knolly Endorphin running a fairly long stem at 65mm. I had sized down from a Medium Nomad3. Since I'm running such a long stem on the Endo, I was thinking Medium for a Switchblade.

    Francis, how long do you think the stem was on the bike you rode?

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Actually it does exist, I have a 2016 Fox 34 Plus Factory
    150mm , bought as a take off from a Specialized 6fattie.
    Really..
    I had thought it was a widened 29'er 51mm offset lower they used on that.. thus the 140/150 airshaft was the longest you could get.
    Sweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    i'm told there will be a frame only option this fall next run
    I gernerally go with a frame or frame kit,like to spec my personal components,but my LBS gives me a 20% shop discount and usually even more generous on a new bike. Thinking the Xtr/Xt Pro 1X with Reynolds/I9 wheelset will be very doable for me and component package is really very good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    That's good to know. I'm 5'7" and a really short inseam. I'm on a small Knolly Endorphin running a fairly long stem at 65mm. I had sized down from a Medium Nomad3. Since I'm running such a long stem on the Endo, I was thinking Medium for a Switchblade.

    Francis, how long do you think the stem was on the bike you rode?
    It was 50mm stem. It had room for a 150mm dropper too. Lots of exposed post and the seat tube is straight for good insert length too. I didn't even have to push the saddle back on the zero offset post.

    This is me on a small. 780mm bars. Photos by Lear Miller.
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    well they are already in shops
    I pedaled this Medium around the parking lot
    And, I'm really liking it.
    very good job Pivot !



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    Sold my 429C on monday and had my parts list ready to order for the 429 trail I was planning to build, then this little baby was announced! Glad I waited a little before ordering all those parts (very unlike me). Getting my medium gloss blue delivered end of the week! I'm 5'10 w/ 32'' inseam. Will take pics and comment on size once I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc View Post
    It was 50mm stem. It had room for a 150mm dropper too. Lots of exposed post and the seat tube is straight for good insert length too. I didn't even have to push the saddle back on the zero offset post.

    This is me on a small. 780mm bars. Photos by Lear Miller.
    I think this bike is perfect in M for me regarding the reach and TT #, which are only a touch longer then my L nomad.
    I am 5'8.5" on a large N
    3 and would go with a M switchblade.
    I really like steep ST, so I would most like push the seat all the way to the front and use a 30-40mm stem.
    Finally a nice sized bike from Pivot. They went from ultra short reach and slack ST on their previous bikes like M6, to perfect, at least in my eyes.
    WB is also very nice and the short Cs... Cant wait to demo this beast.

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    180mm bar? The build kits list 740mm. I would much prefer 780 so was that a custom option ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20.100 FR View Post
    The seat tube of the xl looks pretty short, i think the saddle must be very high from the top tube.
    As a leggy guy, these short seat tubes are getting a bit out of control. Pivot didn't debut the 429SL that long ago, with the XL having a 22" seat tube. Meanwhile, the M Switchblade 29 has a seat tube of 16.75". They have the same reach!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post

    well they are already in shops
    I pedaled this Medium around the parking lot
    And, I'm really liking it.
    very good job Pivot !



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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    How tall are you and your inseam please.You like fit ?
    I'm 5'7" with a very short inseam.. Compared to a Med Nomad3 reach is noticeably longer.
    the stem spec on the Pro build was maybe 60-70mm so that was some of it too
    While I think I could make a Medium work for me.. I would order a Small.
    I'm on a small Knolly 27.5 Endo now and the small Switchblade numbers looks really close to that fit wise.

    by the way, it looks like the Grand Canyon between those chain stays even with a 2.8 Recon living there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    As a leggy guy, these short seat tubes are getting a bit out of control. Pivot didn't debut the 429SL that long ago, with the XL having a 22" seat tube. Meanwhile, the M Switchblade 29 has a seat tube of 16.75". They have the same reach!
    I think they are trying to insure a longer dropper post can be used.
    170 posts should be available real soon..

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    I think they are trying to insure a longer dropper post can be used.
    170 posts should be available real soon..
    Correct. It's all about the long dropper post compatibility now and in future. I'm only 5'8" but I hit a 170mm dropper now on a Nomad. Looks like I fit a 170mm too on the Switchblade Small and maybe medium.

    Looks like they are gonna make longer insertion length droppers too for tall guys. 400mm and beyond.
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    This bike is very intriguing

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    Wow this bike is amazing!

    I'm flabbergasted by the geo... That TT length is bananas! I'm happy to see it, but I'm definitely going to have to test ride one to figure out sizing! It's not like any bike I've ride before!

    I'm also torn whether to build it with 29 or 27.5+! So many amazingly good options! ENVE's newly announced rims look awesome! The SuperBoost doesn't bother me as I haven't yet invested in new-school hubs so I'm fine. I'm happy to be able to run a 170mm dropper on the XL (34" inseam)!

    This rig is SO far removed from what I've got, I think only the drivetrain could port over... And I don't know if I'd bother. Mind as well buy a complete bike at this point!


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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinmike View Post
    I think they are trying to insure a longer dropper post can be used.
    170 posts should be available real soon..
    I get that. It's unavoidable. But the consequence is the need for leggy riders to run super long seat posts on very expensive carbon fiber frames. I'm not the typical rider, but would choose the M Switchblade 29 for its 17.3" reach, which would put the top of my saddle 15" above the top of the seat tube. Having a short torso, Pivot had been one of the few brands that fit me well - they seemed to have changed their tune over night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    I get that. It's unavoidable. But the consequence is the need for leggy riders to run super long seat posts on very expensive carbon fiber frames. I'm not the typical rider, but would choose the M Switchblade 29 for its 17.3" reach, which would put the top of my saddle 15" above the top of the seat tube. Having a short torso, Pivot had been one of the few brands that fit me well - they seemed to have changed their tune over night.
    I prefer the older geo vs. the newer geo that's all the rage, but that's what people are demanding so I can't blame Pivot for supplying it.
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    Could the 3.25 tire setup replace a fatbike for snow riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    Could the 3.25 tire setup replace a fatbike for snow riding?
    Yes. If you can get by with 3.25" tires in the snow conditions you want to ride in.

    People have ridden MTBs for years in snow with skinny tires so for sure it's possible, but the fact is a 3.25" tire is tiny compared to a 5" fatbike tire and will give you correspondingly less floatation.

    So can you ride some snow with a 3.25" tire snow = yes. Will it be the same as a 4" or 5" fatbike tire = no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I prefer the older geo vs. the newer geo that's all the rage, but that's what people are demanding so I can't blame Pivot for supplying it.
    I don't blame them either, but the rest of the industry has been migrating towards the new geo for years, while Pivot kept pumping out short reach bikes with slack STAs, sometimes with long chainstays. Their 27.5 XC rig has a 72d STA for God's sake! Don't ask me why. But to suddenly go do the polar opposite? From a brand/identity/philosophy point of view, it's a bit disconcerting, especially since the company has a single figurehead. None of this has anything to do with whether somebody should buy the Switchblade or not. Many will love it. Just saying...

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    I love it. Just curious why they spec a 740mm bar. On long front center bikes I found wider bars to work better, but hey I am sure they tested it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    I don't blame them either, but the rest of the industry has been migrating towards the new geo for years, while Pivot kept pumping out short reach bikes with slack STAs, sometimes with long chainstays. Their 27.5 XC rig has a 72d STA for God's sake! Don't ask me why. But to suddenly go do the polar opposite? From a brand/identity/philosophy point of view, it's a bit disconcerting, especially since the company has a single figurehead. None of this has anything to do with whether somebody should buy the Switchblade or not. Many will love it. Just saying...
    Pivot is amazeballs for pushing innovation forward. If you read the reviews, several of them talk about how this bike was in R/D even before the M6. One would assume that also meant the geometry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    I love it. Just curious why they spec a 740mm bar. On long front center bikes I found wider bars to work better, but hey I am sure they tested it.
    Same bar probably for all sizes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Pivot is amazeballs for pushing innovation forward. If you read the reviews, several of them talk about how this bike was in R/D even before the M6. One would assume that also meant the geometry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    I love it. Just curious why they spec a 740mm bar. On long front center bikes I found wider bars to work better, but hey I am sure they tested it.
    740 is a big mistake for this kind of rowdy bike. Should be 780 and cut down if needed.

    All the Santa Cruz bikes are now 780mm. Even the 5010 I believe.
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    I love it. Just curious why they spec a 740mm bar. On long front center bikes I found wider bars to work better, but hey I am sure they tested it.
    If you're placing a new order for a bike. You can request the 800mm bar instead. It's real easy, you only have to ask your dealer!


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    I wanted to try Pivot Switchblade but pulled a trigger on another similar bike, especially because I'm not that customer that will go back and forth with a 27.5+ and 29.

    From Mojo 3 site:

    "Itís like a SWITCHBLADE covered in Velcro. Razor-sharp handling meets ridiculous levels of traction and control. Itís dumbfounding, actually. - Vernon Felton, veteran journalist, writing for Adventure Journal"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mergetrio View Post
    I wanted to try Pivot Switchblade but pulled a trigger on another similar bike, especially because I'm not that customer that will go back and forth with a 27.5+ and 29.
    There is no need to go back and forth on any of these bikes that can take 27+/29er wheels. If I were to get a SB I'd only ever use it in 29er mode.
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    Looking forward to demoing one of these in the near future. Was really excited when the SC Hightower was released.....however the bike left me underwhelmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Looking forward to demoing one of these in the near future. Was really excited when the SC Hightower was released.....however the bike left me underwhelmed.
    What didnt you like about the HT? It would be nice to hear how these 2 compare.

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    I road the Hightower and it was awesome. Honestly the best plus bike I have personally ridden and I can imagine in 29 quite awesome. I want the switchblade but nothing but good things to say about the Hightower

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    Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

    - BB Height
    - STA
    - HTA

    In particular would be interesting. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

    - BB Height
    - STA
    - HTA

    In particular would be interesting. Thanks.
    Both geometries are posted on Pivot web site,and it's a 17mm lower cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Both geometries are posted on Pivot web site,and it's a 17mm lower cup.
    I think he's asking what the 29'er would come up to if the 15mm cup (and it is 15mm based on the Pivot Website: SWITCHBLADE 27.5 w/15mm cup) were left installed when changing fork/wheels. i.e. saving the hassle of removing and reinstalling headset cups each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildur View Post
    I think he's asking what the 29'er would come up to if the 15mm cup (and it is 15mm based on the Pivot Website: SWITCHBLADE 27.5 w/15mm cup) were left installed when changing fork/wheels. i.e. saving the hassle of removing and reinstalling headset cups each time.
    Stand corrected.

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    i'll be going 27.5 plus no cup and 160 lyrik

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    It's not hard to figure the delta of this 17mm HS cup vs the stock 29er HS cup. If you add 10mm of stack at the HT it would slack the bike out another .5 degrees and approx. .25 at the ST. Take the stock 29er cup and subtract it from the 17mm cup. Take the difference of the two and divide that by 20 which will give you decimal equivalent of the HA change.
    Or google search for an online bike geometry calculator and plug in the numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by invol2ver View Post
    i'll be going 27.5 plus no cup and 160 lyrik
    My thoughts almost. Just add the cup and 29er

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildur View Post
    I think he's asking what the 29'er would come up to if the 15mm cup (and it is 15mm based on the Pivot Website: SWITCHBLADE 27.5 w/15mm cup) were left installed when changing fork/wheels. i.e. saving the hassle of removing and reinstalling headset cups each time.
    Also getting you:

    - higher BB
    - slacker STA & HTA

    Assuming you want any of those things. I'd be interested in that setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    It's not hard to figure the delta of this 17mm HS cup vs the stock 29er HS cup. If you add 10mm of stack at the HT it would slack the bike out another .5 degrees and approx. .25 at the ST. Take the stock 29er cup and subtract it from the 17mm cup. Take the difference of the two and divide that by 20 which will give you decimal equivalent of the HA change.
    Or google search for an online bike geometry calculator and plug in the numbers.
    Or just have the guy/gal at Pivot sitting next to the computer with the CAD file who already has this setup info programmed type it out for us.

    I can take an educated guess, but since this is an approved setup from Pivot let's just have the numbers calculated the same way as the rest of geo charts for a solid comparison.

    It's not a huge ask if you want to sell me a $6K - $10K bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Or just have the guy/gal at Pivot sitting next to the computer with the CAD file who already has this setup info programmed type it out for us.

    I can take an educated guess, but since this is an approved setup from Pivot let's just have the numbers calculated the same way as the rest of geo charts for a solid comparison.

    It's not a huge ask if you want to sell me a $6K - $10K bike.
    Agreed I was just giving you a hard time and it's really not hard to figure out especially for all of the geeky bike nerds. What'd did you call me? LOL
    I'll bet they won't have any issues selling these bikes in the first couple runs plus they're doing a very controlled release, full builds only and probably they're best dealers only. Pretty smart way to go in my mind.
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    The earliest I am buying a new bike is Jan 2017 so I am in no rush. I want to see some paying customer reviews and hopefully get a demo before I make my mind up.

    Unless the complete bike spec & prices are uber compelling I'll end up buying a frame and building from part anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    The earliest I am buying a new bike is Jan 2017 so I am in no rush. I want to see some paying customer reviews and hopefully get a demo before I make my mind up.

    Unless the complete bike spec & prices are uber compelling I'll end up buying a frame and building from part anyways.
    That's my take as well and I'm in no rush to buy one. It does look very good so far. Depending on how it pedals and climbs it's weight is very similar to my Following which I'm in no hurry to get rid of (still diggin the hell out of it).
    I really can't buy full build bikes, I'm in the biz and get good deals on most everything I need, so I only build my own bikes.
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    Some moar pics!!!

    157 hub and 142 hub side by side
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    Pivot uses the OneUp 45t cog added to the 11-42. It's a gradual step but the consistency ratio gets awkward.
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    Reynolds 40mm carbon rim here for the Plus. The 29er gets a 28mm rim methinks.
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    Rekon fornt and rear tire is an awesome choice.
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    Soft durometer frame protection is a great feature. Hole in the bottom is for a Di2 battery.

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    tight clearances for the elaborate suspension clevis.Pivot Switchblade-p5250016.jpg

    Tire clearance is enough for a real 3.25 Plus tire.
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    Chainring clearance is tight but they say it can handle a 36.
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    tire clearance again.
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    To provide better heel clearance than the Mach 4, the stays are curved drastically. 180mm rear rotor is max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

    - BB Height
    - STA
    - HTA

    In particular would be interesting. Thanks.
    I just confirmed with Chris. The geo with 29r wheels and the 17mm cup is exactly the same as with the 27.5+ wheels. The only difference is the BB will be .3 inches higher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    That's my take as well and I'm in no rush to buy one. It does look very good so far. Depending on how it pedals and climbs it's weight is very similar to my Following which I'm in no hurry to get rid of (still diggin the hell out of it).
    I really can't buy full build bikes, I'm in the biz and get good deals on most everything I need, so I only build my own bikes.
    Same here. Waiting to see how the dust settles. Loving my Following still (simpley and awesome bike) but quite keen to ride both the Pivot but also the Mojo 3. Thinking the Mojo 3 may be the better bet as i think the Pivot may be too much bike for most of my riding

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    You do realise it will be the same except for BB height as the B+ setup right? All you are doing is replacing the wheels, no other adjustments, so why would anything but the BB be different? BB will prob be 10-12mm taller than "standard" 29er setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Could someone at Pivot let us know what the geo would be in 29er mode with the 15mm lower headset cup in place:

    - BB Height
    - STA
    - HTA

    In particular would be interesting. Thanks.
    How could it be any different except for BB height?
    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I just confirmed with Chris. The geo with 29r wheels and the 17mm cup is exactly the same as with the 27.5+ wheels. The only difference is the BB will be .3 inches higher.


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    Thanks for the fotos. Hopefully the downtube protector is more durable than on the 429T. It started to peel after a couple of months of riding. The only way to enjoy this bike for me will be to buy the lowest tier build and replace everything or wait for the frame. I prefer sram for my 1x11 setup and love my guide ultimates. Also I prefer a 32 or 34 chainring. Not a fan of their bar and grips from a feel perspective. 29er rims a a bit too narrow and 27.5 rims a bit too wide for my liking to run 2.5 or 2.8, respectively. Also Lyrik over 36 for me. I am such a bike snob, but wish more companies would offer build kits like ibis with choices.

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    Hmmm. I could make do with the 27.5+ Di2 build. The only thing I would swap out would be the dropper. I would have to get another hub to build a 29er rear wheel. I'm currently on a Fuel EX and 429T. My concerns are:

    1. Too much bike. Although Michaux and the Shed are rocky the more sustained downs out west are not here. Also I don't have the skills to push the limits of this bike. As you know a slack FS 29er going downhill can be exhilarating and also catastrophic. I have two similar bikes because usually one has some sort of maintenance issue. Even if the SB is a little more bike than what I need, will it be FUN JRA on longer rocky rides? A 10K backup bike collecting dust would be stupid on my part.

    2. My Following was too slack for me on the tighter trails. It was also too light in the front on climbs. I have a very long inseam. Will the SB be more of the same?

    3. It would be nice to get a little more mid range plush in the front. Not a fault of my 130mm 36 but it has to be able to absorb the bigger hits so it can feel a little chattery on choppy sections because of the higher speeds I'm able to attain on the newer slacker bikes. I wonder if there would be less wear and tear on my body. Or, would the extra suspension be negated by the equivalent amounts of transferred shock because I'm pushing harder?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I just confirmed with Chris. The geo with 29r wheels and the 17mm cup is exactly the same as with the 27.5+ wheels. The only difference is the BB will be .3 inches higher.
    Thanks. Yup seems obvious now.

    The 27+ geo with a 13.68" BB and 29er wheels makes the SB much more attractive to me.

    I've got limited interest in a plus setup....especially since I can't use the 27.5 wheels from my Mach 6. I'm not building up a 3rd set of $$$ wheels for the limited benefits of plus tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

    1. Too much bike. Although Michaux and the Shed are rocky the more sustained downs out west are not here. Also I don't have the skills to push the limits of this bike. As you know a slack FS 29er going downhill can be exhilarating and also catastrophic. I have two similar bikes because usually one has some sort of maintenance issue. Even if the SB is a little more bike than what I need, will it be FUN JRA on longer rocky rides? A 10K backup bike collecting dust would be stupid on my part.
    With that geo and a 150mm fork the SB is far more enduro/AM than it is trail. With the low BB it's not really practical to under fork it for a less aggressive ride.

    That said the main issue is how it will handle mellow trails not that you will die tackling 50' gap jumps. I ride 160mm AM bikes and I only go as fast as I can ride in control without crashing [regularly]. Nothing about those bikes forces me to ride faster than I want or tackle features beyond my capabilities to ride despite the fact other more skilled riders could take the same bike and crush my descent times.

    If your Evil Following was too slack for your trails I can't see any reason to buy a SB. It will be more of the same.

    To your question about suspension you can tune most modern high end forks/shocks to feel quite different depending on the rider's wants. Just make sure you are buying the top tier versions with full adjustability. If you really need to a custom tune from Avalanche will get you pretty much anything realistic you want if you explain what you are after to Craig.
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