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    Firebird 29

    Itís here!...

    https://youtu.be/YezJ0ngby8w

    http://www.pivotcycles.com/bike/firebird-29/

    I still think Fireblade would have been a better name though!!

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    It looks superb, and that video is very tongue in cheek. I'd love to demo one, especially as XL looks like it may finally fit me.
    Looking forward to seeing initial reports.

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    Time for another demo! Blue one looks really nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonJones View Post
    I'd love to demo one, especially as XL looks like it may finally fit me.
    I'm in the same boat, very interested in how the XL feels. Pivot prices do make my eyes water though

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    Awesome looking bike.

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    I think Pivot has finally nailed it. The ultimate 29", but why on earth they use PF92 BB?
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    ďAdjustable geometry with a flip-chip upper link mount and lower headset cupĒ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.T View Post
    I think Pivot has finally nailed it. The ultimate 29", but why on earth they use PF92 BB?
    That does not bother me but super boost does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.T View Post
    but why on earth they use PF92 BB?
    Agreed, that's the only negative, the tears about the rear hub spacing are getting pretty old already.

    This and the Trail 429 are great looking bikes, to me most of Pivots designs have looked a bit odd (not sure why, they've just never really appealed to me). Fingers crossed the Switchblade gets an update with a similar looking rear end ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChefBrian View Post
    I'm in the same boat, very interested in how the XL feels. Pivot prices do make my eyes water though
    Yep, same here. They're nice but it's no food for months for most mortals trying to save up coin for one.

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    I think superboost at least makes more sense than boost. Also I think press fit issues are a thing of the past.

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    Too bad no water bottle mount in the front triangle. With that upper link orientation, it appears that the shock will pivot down during its travel, which is probably why no bottle mounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Random Dude View Post
    That does not bother me but super boost does.
    8 whole posts before someone bitches about 157...that's progress!!!!

    Honestly though, a long travel 29er that may not accept a coil seems like a HUDGE oversight.

    Btwn the 429T and this, Pivot is killing it in the looks department!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    8 whole posts before someone bitches about 157...that's progress!!!!

    Honestly though, a long travel 29er that may not accept a coil seems like a HUDGE oversight.

    Btwn the 429T and this, Pivot is killing it in the looks department!!!!
    I hated superboost when the SB was first released because options for wheels were very limited but now with I9 offering hubs im going to give it another shot with this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    Itís here!...

    https://youtu.be/YezJ0ngby8w

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    I still think Fireblade would have been a better name though!!
    The funny thing is, we thought about that enough to figure out that there is a motorcycle called the Fireblade in Europe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    The funny thing is, we thought about that enough to figure out that there is a motorcycle called the Fireblade in Europe...
    There certainly is, which is what makes it so cool, well as long as youíre not concerned about trademarks and boring stuff like that!

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    https://m.pinkbike.com/news/first-ri...rebird-29.html


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    Super boost is not new, it is fat bike spacing and has been around for quite awhile. Although I don't like having the standards change every 3 years or so, the wider spacing probably helpful for running 2.6 and larger tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_trail_biker View Post
    Super boost is not new, it is fat bike spacing and has been around for quite awhile. Although I don't like having the standards change every 3 years or so, the wider spacing probably helpful for running 2.6 and larger tires.
    Itís not fat Bike spacing. It is DH spacing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    The funny thing is, we thought about that enough to figure out that there is a motorcycle called the Fireblade in Europe...
    I assumed it would be called the Bigbird.
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    Just finished building my Trail 429 last night and I wake up to this, haha. Gonna need a bigger shed.

    Going from 429sl / Switchblade / Firebird 27.5" to Les 29 / Trail 429 / Firebird 29"

    I'm stoked that at least two of my bikes will take the same wheels now.
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    [QUOTE=dan23;13710687]Itís not fat Bike spacing. It is DH spacing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I assumed it would be called the Bigbird.
    That's what I've been calling it the last few years. The problem is, we didn't want to deal with a big company like HBO coming down on us...
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    Ahhh... So that is what Chris was riding this morning when I saw him on South Mountain this morning. I didn't recognize the paintjob...

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    If it pedals up hill as good as they say =)

    Waiting for some middle aged, Clydesdale to review it first ;-)

    Plus, my eyes started watering as soon as I saw it & I felt the need to buy a sh1t load of 2 min noodles o_0

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    No frame only option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maindog View Post
    No frame only option?
    If they haven't released a switchblade frame only why would they a firebird 29. Id buy a frame only tomorrow but alas. And pivot c'mon your XT build is not XT at all. It's SLX with an XT rear derailleur. False advertising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    The funny thing is, we thought about that enough to figure out that there is a motorcycle called the Fireblade in Europe...
    CBR1000RR.

    -Hey when are you going to release a frame-only option so us engineer types can consider Pivot as an option? btw calling the Race build as 'XT' when it's all LX is pretty facepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    If they haven't released a switchblade frame only why would they a firebird 29. Id buy a frame only tomorrow but alas. And pivot c'mon your XT build is not XT at all. It's SLX with an XT rear derailleur. False advertising!

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    It's not false advertising at all. We clearly list all the parts on the website. We've never been shy about that.

    It's the same on the RACE XO1, mostly GX1, with an XO1 RD. Our competitors do the same, it's a common practice to call the kit by the best part on it. Our PRO bike we call it PRO XT/XTR as we are proud that it is 100% XT, with an XTR RD. Our competitors bikes have more SLX than XT and then they sneak an XTR RD on there for bling... or more NX1 with some GX1.
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    When will Pivot pivot to sell stand-alone frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    When will Pivot pivot to sell stand-alone frames?
    Sorry Matt, it is currently not in the plans from Chris to sell frame only options. After talking to many of our dealers, they aren't seeing the demand for a frame only option. Most customers love our build options, and only need to change a few minor items to fit their needs.

    You can always work with your local PIVOT dealer to see if they can find something creative to suit your needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Sorry Matt, it is currently not in the plans from Chris to sell frame only options. After talking to many of our dealers, they aren't seeing the demand for a frame only option. Most customers love our build options, and only need to change a few minor items to fit their needs.

    You can always work with your local PIVOT dealer to see if they can find something creative to suit your needs.
    Thanks for the reply. It's just a bummer for the folks that already have good parts and want to move to a new frame. Not sure what the opportunity cost would be of simply offering frames, but if the traditional car dealer model is working for Pivot then its working for Pivot i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    It's not false advertising at all. We clearly list all the parts on the website. We've never been shy about that.

    It's the same on the RACE XO1, mostly GX1, with an XO1 RD. Our competitors do the same, it's a common practice to call the kit by the best part on it. Our PRO bike we call it PRO XT/XTR as we are proud that it is 100% XT, with an XTR RD. Our competitors bikes have more SLX than XT and then they sneak an XTR RD on there for bling... or more NX1 with some GX1.
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    No frame only option?
    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    If they haven't released a switchblade frame only why would they a firebird 29. Id buy a frame only tomorrow but alas. And pivot c'mon your XT build is not XT at all. It's SLX with an XT rear derailleur. False advertising!

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    Any info on the frame only option? I have built all my bikes for the last 20 years...

    Edit: I was typing this while someone posted above... Bummer... I guess I have to look somewhere else

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    Read above mate, no plans for a frame only option.
    Quote Originally Posted by maindog View Post
    Any info on the frame only option? I have built all my bikes for the last 20 years...
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    Got mine ordered. Sold my 5.5...A few more days and Iíll be shredding south mountain on a tasty new build! Well done Pivot! Some of the highest quality design work you can find, and itís right in my backyard. Does not suck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    It's not false advertising at all. We clearly list all the parts on the website. We've never been shy about that.

    It's the same on the RACE XO1, mostly GX1, with an XO1 RD. Our competitors do the same, it's a common practice to call the kit by the best part on it. Our PRO bike we call it PRO XT/XTR as we are proud that it is 100% XT, with an XTR RD. Our competitors bikes have more SLX than XT and then they sneak an XTR RD on there for bling... or more NX1 with some GX1.
    hereís a tip put a xtr and xx1 chain on all your builds and call all of them as such! yeah every other bike brand does and they are all shameless as well! but I guess thereís still dumb people buying bikes so you actualy can fool a bunch...

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    Will the build kits eventually be updated to include bits and pieces from the new XTR M91XX groupsets when they become available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Itís not fat Bike spacing. It is DH spacing.


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    Isn't 150 DH spacing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    hereís a tip put a xtr and xx1 chain on all your builds and call all of them as such! yeah every other bike brand does and they are all shameless as well! but I guess thereís still dumb people buying bikes so you actualy can fool a bunch...
    I've seen other brands [eg Transition] cut corners by using a GX cassette on an X01 built, but having 99% of the gruppo as STX and calling it an XT build because of the derailleur is just taking the piss.

    Ironically, the RD is the one piece I'd happily see down-graded as it is the most likely piece of componentry to get smashed/broken. Give us an XT shifter with an STX derailleur if you want to save some $$...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    It's not false advertising at all. We clearly list all the parts on the website. We've never been shy about that.

    It's the same on the RACE XO1, mostly GX1, with an XO1 RD. Our competitors do the same, it's a common practice to call the kit by the best part on it. Our PRO bike we call it PRO XT/XTR as we are proud that it is 100% XT, with an XTR RD. Our competitors bikes have more SLX than XT and then they sneak an XTR RD on there for bling... or more NX1 with some GX1.
    If you were being truthful you'd call it an SLX build wouldn't you ? And why do bike companies upgrade the rear derailleur? I'd rather it was the shifter. I was going to say stick an XTR chain on there and call it an XTR build then. But someone beat me to it. I know you're transparent with listing the components but the fact you call whats essentially an SLX build an XT build is misleading and a deliberate ploy.

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    My favorite colors from Pivot to date. The bikes keep getting prettier.

    Here is my only question... This is a 7lb frame with a half pound heavier rear shock. Why is the new trail 6.7lbs. Heavier/Cheaper carbon layup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    If you were being truthful you'd call it an SLX build wouldn't you ? And why do bike companies upgrade the rear derailleur? I'd rather it was the shifter. I was going to say stick an XTR chain on there and call it an XTR build then. But someone beat me to it. I know you're transparent with listing the components but the fact you call whats essentially an SLX build an XT build is misleading and a deliberate ploy.

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    Great question. Smart marketing is all about promoting the bike and the key features. To some the shifter is more important, to others the brakes, while to another the wheels. For us, the RD has been the item we promote. Bang for buck itís more noticeable than the bushing over bearing in the SLX vs. XT shifter. We then list it on our page, and update it when changes happen. We canít be more transparent, as itís listed on the interwebs for everyone to see.

    Truth and marketing go hand in hand. We are honest and focused on providing performance at every level, which is why we pick the parts we do for each build level. Our Race bikes have parts that are less expensive, but we arenít using the cheapest items. They are less expensive without lacking in overall performance. Are we perfect with everything we pick, nope, be we try hard to pick best in class at the right price point in every build.

    Our Pro levels bikes have Factory Kashima forks. While many of our competitors use performance level forks. We make one Top End level of carbon frame while our competitors have two levels. Their introductory price points use frames that retail for $1,200 or more below their top level frames. And they price their bikes close to ours. When you look at each component at every level, we win the specification game.

    We also understand that PIVOT isnít a brand for everyone. We canít please every possible customer. Itís ok, it is what drives Chris to continue to develop the next bike. We hope one day to gain your loyalty. If we canít earn that now, we wonít give up trying.

    You are welcome to email me [email protected]. Iím happy to take your feedback and share it with Chris and the design team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maindog View Post
    No frame only option?
    Yea no way intersted if no frame only. To have to buy the top model to get factory x2 is a bit of a joke

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    Whats the seat post diameter? Will I be able to fit a whole reverb 170mm down in the XL frame? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykle View Post
    Whats the seat post diameter? Will I be able to fit a whole reverb 170mm down in the XL frame? Thanks
    Why would you want a reverb?

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    Hehe, I want more travel. 150mm isnt enough for my long legs. Ps. I havent had any issues with my reverbs

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    You want value?

    Get a Canyon ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
    hereís a tip put a xtr and xx1 chain on all your builds and call all of them as such! yeah every other bike brand does and they are all shameless as well! but I guess thereís still dumb people buying bikes so you actualy can fool a bunch...
    Look, Pivot is a dentist's brand, and Dan admitted above that most of their customers don't know enough about bikes to spec their own parts - the only way they'd be satisfied with these builds. Because come on, they are pretty chitzy for the price.

    Plus coil shocks verboten... On a bike like this? Yeah, so your only possible customers are people that don't know any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    Look, Pivot is a dentist's brand, and Dan admitted above that most of their customers don't know enough about bikes to spec their own parts - the only way they'd be satisfied with these builds. Because come on, they are pretty chitzy for the price.

    Plus coil shocks verboten... On a bike like this? Yeah, so your only possible customers are people that don't know any better.
    Your comment is a little over the top but I canít disagree. A $7500 X01 build comes with a performance shock.

    I am looking at an Ibis Ripmo and they do build much better with options. You can select a group set and then A laí cartel in your shocks and wheels. You could get the cheapest NX drive train with factory shocks and carbon wheels or an X01 with performance shocks and aluminum wheels, and WOW even FRAMES! That is just crazy talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Great question. Smart marketing is all about promoting the bike and the key features.... We canít be more transparent, as itís listed on the interwebs for everyone to see.

    Truth and marketing go hand in hand. We are honest and focused on providing performance at every level, which is why we pick the parts we do for each build level.
    Just here to jump on the bandwagon. This response is bullshit marketing crap. No one is saying that Pivot isn't quality, but "smart marketing" appears to be to obfuscate what your product actually is by adding a $60.00 part. Shit, as others have mentioned, throw an XTR on there and call it: XTR special build!

    I'm sure most wouldn't complain if the only SLX part was the cassette, but what you've built is an $5100 SLX equipped bike.

    Just b/c you list it on the web doesn't make it "transparent." True "truth" in marketing would be to call it a SLX bike.

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    Add me to that list. I have not bought a complete bike since 2005. I think Cocalis is underestimating the demand of a frame only option.

    I went to a shop to check out Ripmoís the other day. Most of their stock was frame only and almost all of them pre-sold.


    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    Thanks for the reply. It's just a bummer for the folks that already have good parts and want to move to a new frame. Not sure what the opportunity cost would be of simply offering frames, but if the traditional car dealer model is working for Pivot then its working for Pivot i guess.

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    So much complaining about the kit names, I dont understand why you are so angry at this? Its just to read up on the spec, like you should do anyways... The main kits are Race, Pro and Team, and XT / X01 mostly describes if its Shimano or Sram...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Yea no way intersted if no frame only. To have to buy the top model to get factory x2 is a bit of a joke
    I was given the option to upgrade the shock to factory on a lesser build for around $100-$150. I can't recall the exact price as I ended up ordering an XX1 build, maybe dan23 can comment on this. Now the frame issue is a whole other deal that I also think is a mistake but Pivot did not offer it with the switchblade and they seem to be happy with the result of that decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    Look, Pivot is a dentist's brand, and Dan admitted above that most of their customers don't know enough about bikes to spec their own parts - the only way they'd be satisfied with these builds. Because come on, they are pretty chitzy for the price.

    Plus coil shocks verboten... On a bike like this? Yeah, so your only possible customers are people that don't know any better.
    The builds are actually pretty much in line with most competitors except the buy direct brands. For example if you look at the Yeti SB5.5 for $7,200 it comes with a GX cassette and GX chain which is about $300 less in cost than the X01 parts that come on the Pivot. If you upgrade those two components on the Yeti you are at the same retail price as the Pivot. If you build a Hightower LT XX1 to get factory fork and shock "they are not available on lesser models" you are at $9,300 which is the same price as the Pivot XX1 with carbon wheels. The $6,800 X01 spec hightower LT comes only with performance shock / fork and also comes with the cheaper X1 crank VS the actual X01 so you spend a little less you get a little less. The Ibis Ripmo you can get X01 with factory X2 shock for $7,369 and it's full X01 with no GX parts similar to the Pivot. The Yeti SB5.5 SLX/XT carbon spec that is the same price as the Pivot Race XT spec is also almost all SLX with a XT derailleur and it's also $5,000 but with what they call their cheaper and slightly heavier carbon frame. The difference is that they call it XT/SLX instead of Race XT.

    The trend to spec in lesser components or do a mix is not something new started by pivot it has been a change that has gotten more and more common for the past couple years. It used to be for the most part if you bought a spec like X01 it was all X01 but many vendors have found that most consumers are ok getting a couple cheaper parts mixed in or they simply don't know the difference and it adds a lot of profit at the end of the day when you are dealing with a few hundred dollars saved over thousands of units sold. I have noticed the pricing going up slightly on bikes with full spec components or not changing on mixed spec's. IMO I think the models should be listed as XT/SLX or X01/GX when they mix parts to be a bit more transparent to average consumers who might not know things listed in a spec sheet like a XG-1275 is a GX cassette and a XG-1295 is a X01 cassette.

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    There are UK dealers already taking pre-orders with 10% off RRPs, and offer a factory DPX2 as an upgrade over the performance for £100 more...

    If there is a frame only option, Iím interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joules View Post
    Look, Pivot is a dentist's brand, and Dan admitted above that most of their customers don't know enough about bikes to spec their own parts - the only way they'd be satisfied with these builds. Because come on, they are pretty chitzy for the price.

    Plus coil shocks verboten... On a bike like this? Yeah, so your only possible customers are people that don't know any better.
    this is pretty funny.

    agreed, a full-blown enduro bike without coil-sprung compatibility given current and growing sentiment for coil-sprung suspension is an oversight.


    -the inherent problem with complete builds:

    -ppl that have been around awhile are sick of KS Lev droppers - goes for Reverbs and arguably Fox Transfers as well. we don't want to pay extra for disposable parts that WILL be written off sooner or later.

    -the squishy Padloc grips and propietary hacked-off handlebars are horrid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rom3n View Post
    ..The Yeti SB5.5...difference is that they call it XT/SLX instead of Race XT. ...I think the models should be listed as XT/SLX or X01/GX when they mix parts to be a bit more transparent...
    Such a simple, reasonable, practical solution. Get to it Pivot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdrunk View Post
    Add me to that list. I have not bought a complete bike since 2005. I think Cocalis is underestimating the demand of a frame only option.

    I went to a shop to check out Ripmoís the other day. Most of their stock was frame only and almost all of them pre-sold.
    Add me, too. I'd happily own a Trail 429, Switchblade, or Firebird 29. I really like riding Pivot bikes. But, I'll never buy one. I have zero interest in a package build for any bike above the $6k price point.

    I voted with my wallet and bought a Ripmo frame and fork. This is the second time I chose Ibis over Pivot because of no frame-only from Pivot. Both customers and Pivot lose out because of its "complete bike only" policy. Bummer!
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    This discussion actually moved me to register and post. I am in the market for a new bike so I have been reading these forum threads to help me determine what my next purchase will be. I started riding a couple of years ago and like some, I bought a bike that I enjoy but since then I have developed some preferences that my current bike no longer fulfills.

    I know I want a 29er and I am looking at the:

    -Yeti SB 5.5
    -Ibis Ripmo
    -Evil Wreckoning
    -And now the Pivot Firebird

    There are disctinct differences in this list and I am not posting to debate the best choice for me. I know I am the one that has to demo these bikes find the best fit and I can do that part. What is frustrating as a consumer is that the component packages offered do not suit my needs or my budget.

    I want to spend around $5k but also have the option to upgrade a few components which would put me over my budget but not $2.5k over my budget. If I choose to drop $7.5k on a bike then I want the option to buy a frame and build at my own pace with my own component choices. I donít want to spend that kind of cash and only get ďmost of what I want.Ē

    Ibis so far has the best of both worlds which so far is the best value in the eyes of a consumer. Is it the best bike for me? It remains to be seen but I will lean towards bikes that have upgrade options on key components like the X2 from a DPX2 shock. In the case of the Pivot, when I demo it I have a feeling that I will like this bike well enough to seriously consider buying it. Iím sure it is designed well and much thought has gone into the geometry but I have the same purchasing options as some of these other brands or have they been limited by the MFG which will probably steer me away to another bike.

    Once again, I posted because I noticed that company representatives watch this thread so as a consumer in the market for a new bike and a potential customer I am giving you valuable market database points. I donít know the ins and outs of this industry so Iím sure you have your reasons for your package offerings. But Iím also pretty sure that I am not the only guy out there that wants the option to either build from the frame up or to pick and choose some key components without being forced to upgrade in $2k increments just because I want a 12speed drivetrain, X2 shock, and some carbon bars.

    Sorry about the long read. I hope it is considered FWIW. Nice bike though... Iím excited to ride it. I hope it turns out to be a landscape changer and evolves to a more versatile value add build option.

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    if you haven't ruled out VPP, look at Intense and Santa Cruz. Both offer fairly reasonably priced framesets.

    That said, at the $5K pricepoint, sometimes it IS tough to beat a complete build.

    It IS hard to scale semi-customizable builds when doing volume, so i get that bike brands have limitations when it comes to this. doesn't mean it isn't or shouldn't be the future though. there a business opportunity for the folks that can make it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    if you haven't ruled out VPP, look at Intense and Santa Cruz. Both offer fairly reasonably priced framesets.

    That said, at the $5K pricepoint, sometimes it IS tough to beat a complete build.

    It IS hard to scale semi-customizable builds when doing volume, so i get that bike brands have limitations when it comes to this. doesn't mean it isn't or shouldn't be the future though. there a business opportunity for the folks that can make it work.
    Thanks for the suggestions. I agree, the $5k price point is tough but with some weight concessions I can do a Ripmo GX build and upgrade the forks to factory, X2 shock and carbon bars and still be in the mid $5.5 k range. Iíd like to see that kind of option add with Pivot or any other brand.

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    yep. the damper is more important than kashima.

    and honestly companies like Avalanche arguably make better options than Fox for damper upgrades.

    X2 shocks used can be had fairly cheap, just avoid the pre-recall ones. or go coil - MRP Hazard has a progressive spring option

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    yep. the damper is more important than kashima.

    and honestly companies like Avalanche arguably make better options than Fox for damper upgrades.

    X2 shocks used can be had fairly cheap, just avoid the pre-recall ones. or go coil - MRP Hazard has a progressive spring option
    Yeah that^^^ Iím a Clydesdale 225-230 with gear so itís all about damper.

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    Whats the seat post diameter? Will I be able to fit a whole reverb 170mm down in the XL frame? Thanks
    Possibly, if your legs are long enough...
    We have this handy guide to help you out.
    http://www.pivotcycles.com/wp-conten...-Fit-Guide.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by vclimber View Post
    This discussion actually moved me to register and post. I am in the market for a new bike so I have been reading these forum threads to help me determine what my next purchase will be. I started riding a couple of years ago and like some, I bought a bike that I enjoy but since then I have developed some preferences that my current bike no longer fulfills.

    I know I want a 29er and I am looking at the:

    -Yeti SB 5.5
    -Ibis Ripmo
    -Evil Wreckoning
    -And now the Pivot Firebird

    There are disctinct differences in this list and I am not posting to debate the best choice for me. I know I am the one that has to demo these bikes find the best fit and I can do that part. What is frustrating as a consumer is that the component packages offered do not suit my needs or my budget.

    I want to spend around $5k but also have the option to upgrade a few components which would put me over my budget but not $2.5k over my budget. If I choose to drop $7.5k on a bike then I want the option to buy a frame and build at my own pace with my own component choices. I donít want to spend that kind of cash and only get ďmost of what I want.Ē

    Ibis so far has the best of both worlds which so far is the best value in the eyes of a consumer. Is it the best bike for me? It remains to be seen but I will lean towards bikes that have upgrade options on key components like the X2 from a DPX2 shock. In the case of the Pivot, when I demo it I have a feeling that I will like this bike well enough to seriously consider buying it. Iím sure it is designed well and much thought has gone into the geometry but I have the same purchasing options as some of these other brands or have they been limited by the MFG which will probably steer me away to another bike.

    Once again, I posted because I noticed that company representatives watch this thread so as a consumer in the market for a new bike and a potential customer I am giving you valuable market database points. I donít know the ins and outs of this industry so Iím sure you have your reasons for your package offerings. But Iím also pretty sure that I am not the only guy out there that wants the option to either build from the frame up or to pick and choose some key components without being forced to upgrade in $2k increments just because I want a 12speed drivetrain, X2 shock, and some carbon bars.

    Sorry about the long read. I hope it is considered FWIW. Nice bike though... Iím excited to ride it. I hope it turns out to be a landscape changer and evolves to a more versatile value add build option.
    Just my 2 cents but the 5.5 and RIPMO are one category (I currently ride a RIPMO) and the wreckoning and bird29 are a category and a step up in terms of bigger bike (I rode the 27.5 firebird until very recently). The firebird is much heavier than the RIPMO and more like a mini-DH rig as far as I can tell from sitting on one.
    Wish Pivot had made a 160/150 29er and a 29er DH bike instead of the bird29 and switchblade.

    Also what is with guide ultimate brakes on the xx1 build? Ever heard of code brakes? They are much better for a bike like this. I had ultimates on my park/ big bike and they just did not have enough power lap after lap. Switched to codes and bikes finally slowing down.

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    Hey dan, I am 5'11 and own a Large Firebird 27.5, what size do you recommend for a Firebird 29?

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    are firebird29s traveling with the demo fleet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    Also what is with guide ultimate brakes on the xx1 build? Ever heard of code brakes? They are much better for a bike like this.
    not to mention the Next ~SL~ cranks on the Big Bird. i know PIVOT thinks they know better than the customer, but some of these choices are interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FactoryMatt View Post
    not to mention the Next ~SL~ cranks on the Big Bird. i know PIVOT thinks they know better than the customer, but some of these choices are interesting!
    Oh fun. I am not a heavy rider at 180lbs but those cranks cracked on me when I landed a bigger flatish drop with my foot a little off the pedal to the outside creating too much leverage. The carbon is really thin around the threads. Sixc have held up nicely aside from the preload setscrew coming loose every now and then. It's a beautifully looking bike though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vclimber View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions. I agree, the $5k price point is tough but with some weight concessions I can do a Ripmo GX build and upgrade the forks to factory, X2 shock and carbon bars and still be in the mid $5.5 k range. Iíd like to see that kind of option add with Pivot or any other brand.
    Yes I am looking at the same thing. A GX ripmo with FACTORY x2 and fox 36 but I am going to grab the Ibis wheels with i9 hubs. It comes in $6858. It feel this is a lot better deal than the pivot builds. Better wheels and shocks than the pivot for less money. Frame is equally as good. The drivetrain will wear and I will upgrade it with the XX1 group set when it does.


    I own a top of the line team build XX1 2016 Mach 6 now. I would probably go with Pivot (firebird, switch blade, T429, just want a new bike lol) if there were flexible build options but right now after demoing the Pivot 5.5 and Ripmo and I leaning toward the Ibis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brotheronwheel View Post
    Hey dan, I am 5'11 and own a Large Firebird 27.5, what size do you recommend for a Firebird 29?
    Good question.

    I'm on XL on Firebird 27.5 and new Trail 429, but I went with large for the new Firebird 29 - it just looks so big on paper!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Good question.

    I'm on XL on Firebird 27.5 and new Trail 429, but I went with large for the new Firebird 29 - it just looks so big on paper!
    Noah, now that you chimed in, could I ask you this question: Do you do your own builds ( on your Pivots ), do you customize a complete bike or do you leave it the way you received it?

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    Why all the whine? Pivot has the right to charge as much as they want. You can always go for YT, Canyon, Giant etc.
    I'd never get new Pivot (or similarly overpriced bike), but lightly used second hand can be had for half the MSRP and they're great bikes.

    Besides, now you can get Switchblade and upgrade to X2 for the fraction of the cost compared to new frames and SB with X2 is fantastic piece of kit and arguably more than good enough for 99% of people and you don't really need anything more aggressive than that.

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    Certainly would never whine on price. But do whine on lame components in top tier builds. I am 6'0 and was on a large 429T and medium 27.5 firebird which was perfect with the smaller wheels. BMX on steroids. Would go with a large for this one though and look very much forward to a demo. Could this replace my 27.5 180/180 uzzi as rowdy bike? Most definitely!!! Replace my RIPMO as trail bike probably not .

    RIPMO is back ordered until August/ September it seems and I honestly think it's a category below the firebird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Good question.

    I'm on XL on Firebird 27.5 and new Trail 429, but I went with large for the new Firebird 29 - it just looks so big on paper!
    Be careful Noah, the slack fork n steep seattube will make that long toptube measurement about 1/2 shorter than your SB. I tried a Ibis HD4 and is was an inch shorter than the Mach 5.5 w same stem. Thought the small tt diff would be unnoticeable
    Nope sold it bought a Mach 6

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    Call me crazy but I'm fine with the idea of getting a bike just the way Pivot has tested and optimised it. There's so much noise around what products are best for a given purpose that I'd find it hard to decide on a drivetrain, rims, seatpost etc unless I had plenty of time to ride different configurations of other bikes. And building a frame up is an expensive road to go down. IMO there are very few things to change on the Pivot builds, other that that they are seriously underbraked.

    My FB has Saint brakes and 203mm rotors, Renthal cockpit and an MRP ramp cartridge. Everything else on it is gold.

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    It's too bad there isn't a frame option, I've got all new components for a build minus the frame and fork. I would've been all over that frame. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vclimber View Post
    Thanks for the suggestions. I agree, the $5k price point is tough but with some weight concessions I can do a Ripmo GX build and upgrade the forks to factory, X2 shock and carbon bars and still be in the mid $5.5 k range. Iíd like to see that kind of option add with Pivot or any other brand.
    Have you considered the YT Capra 29? Also don't see the HTLT on your list either. Both are great options, but there are a lot of really good options out there so it has to be narrowed down somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brotheronwheel View Post
    Hey dan, I am 5'11 and own a Large Firebird 27.5, what size do you recommend for a Firebird 29?
    Youíre right in the middle of a medium or a large. Iíd suggest you test ride them both to be sure. That large is longer than your current large. But depending on your riding style, arm and torso length the large may fit just fine. Check the reach numbers and compare that to how you have your bike set up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    are firebird29s traveling with the demo fleet?
    They will be. Not sure when each fleet will receive their size run.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Have you considered the YT Capra 29? Also don't see the HTLT on your list either. Both are great options, but there are a lot of really good options out there so it has to be narrowed down somehow.
    I have... and the YTís are a great value. Iím looking for an uphill ride like the Yeti that has a downhill feel like the Capra or Wrecker. I was hoping the Firebird turns out to be that bike. 29Ē LT Options are definitely increasing... Lol- at this rate Iíll be riding demos all summer.

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    Iím not sure I have seen a cable routed outside and under the BB like on this bike. Is that something to be concerned about? Seems like the more openings you have, the more chances of water transporting dirt to the pressfit BB.

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    Been building my own bikes for almost 20 yrs and did the same with my 2011 Firebird. I was a little surprised this year when I was ready to build a new bike and the 5.5 was spec only. I was on the fence between the Calling and the 5.5 and went with the Calling because I could build it the way I wanted. If mt.bike's hadn't jumped the shark price wise it wouldn't be that big a deal, but if I'm ponying up 6G's or more I want the bike the way I want it, especially the wheel set. And I like bling so I like to color match.
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    I wish Pivot would stop dangling the shift housing down low under the BB. Past offenders I've owned (Specialized & Transition) don't even do it anymore. The risk of underbrush, errant sticks, or kicked up rocks is real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockland View Post
    I wish Pivot would stop dangling the shift housing down low under the BB. Past offenders I've owned (Specialized & Transition) don't even do it anymore. The risk of underbrush, errant sticks, or kicked up rocks is real.
    Itís a head scratcher for sure. And it looks lame .

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    Intense was doing this too for a while. Had a stick get stuck and pull the cable and a kicked up rock cut the rear brake line. Freak accidents though. Nothing happened on my pivots. Using a bash guard I think helps mitigate a little but agree it's not ideal. Would not make this a deal breaker. Option to switch to sixc cranks would be nice though for us flat pedal warriors.

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    I'm baffled by the lack of a frame only option.. seems really, really dumb.

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    I don't have any problems with what/how Pivot names the builds, but in thinking about this thread, maybe something like:

    Sport Shimano/SRAM (Deore/SLX mix or GX/NX mix)
    Race Shimano/SRAM (SLX/XT mix or XO1/GX mix)
    Pro Shimano/SRAM (XT/XTR mix or XO1)
    Team Shimano/SRAM (XTR or XX1Eagle)

    + on any of the above for the carbon wheel package.

    Get rid of the level of components as part of the package name and no more confusion to complain about. Oh, and I'll take a Team Shimano+ when 9100 is available!

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    Agreed. I would just name them Team, Pro, Race, Sport or something similar. Eliminate any confusion. I don't have a beef with the selection of components but I do with the build kit names. It used to be if you named a kit XT or XTR xo1 Etc that, that was the level of all components. I understand that Pivot aren't the only ones doing it but I still think it is purely an annoying marketing ploy.

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    Now that everyone (hopefully) have told what the kits should have been named...

    What do you think is the best kits (bang for the buck)?

    Im thinking the Pro XT kit looks best for me, as I really would like the X2 shock and Factory fork and shimano drive train is cheaper to maintain. Will perhaps use the sunrace 11-50 cassette next time its time to change. Its also possible to upgrade the X2 shock to factory edt for about 125-150 USD. Worth it?

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    Pro kit XT all the way for me. Same kit I have on the new Mach 6. Very good wheels and cheap to covert to xd if you want. The only part I don't like is the XT cassette which I switched out for e13 46-9 w an xd driver. I ended up swapping the brakes for Magura trail Sports as I had them and the XTs are so easy to sell.
    Many of my crew are eagle fans they all went pro XO1. Absolutely no worth $1k to me for $300 you can get the e13 same range w/o the low hanging der and dinner plate 50.
    Although I sprung for the X2 upgrade I would have gladly settled for the Performance X2 if it was available. IMHO If your between 140-190 the extra adjustability may not be worth it

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    Agree that's the best build offered value wise. X2 upgrade to factory can make sense for a longer travel bike as you will gain the ability to dial HSR and HSC. Personally I think the money is better spend on a custom tune from avy and the likes and I would decide based on your kashima preference as well. It always bugs when I have a fox factory fork and performance shock. Either all black or all kashima.

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    I went with the TEAM XTR build for this one. However on my 5.5 I did the Pro XT and upgraded to X2 and Reynolds, and a Fox transfer post. At that point the only real variants were the shifter, cranks, and saddle. Saved some cash and still had high quality build.


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    I have an unused pair of Code RSCs to swap out the XT brakes. Will think about the x2 factory. Im thinking it might increase the resale value, and its really wet and muddy where I ride so the kashima is nice to have as well.
    Is it smart to get the 17mm headset cup right away, even though i wont use 27.5 in the near future?

    Any news on when they are shipped to Europe?
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    Are you selling the xt brakes? Are they 4 piston, 8020?
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    I was told by Pivot that a large Firebird 29 only has a max of 220 mm of seatpost insertion depth. This seems kinda small by current standards, especially considering the growing popularity of 175mm droppers. I think the shortest 170ish dropper is the One Up at around 250mm, and some 150mm droppers are around 240mm like the KS Lev Integra. Anyway, just a warning to those looking to run a long dropper, or to those who like to slam their seat for super gnarly descents. This was a deal killer for me.

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    I suggest take that in concert with the seat tube. Some of the bikes have so low seattubes that even a slammed 170 is not enough - looking at you RIPMO

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    True, but the Ripmo also has a very short seat tube. For size large, Ripmo = 418 mm and Firebird = 457 mm.

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    you are right. I somehow misread firebird as 427....that is potentially a problem for the large then if you like to go really looooow. The RIPMO had been a relevation in that regard I have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Sorry Matt, it is currently not in the plans from Chris to sell frame only options. After talking to many of our dealers, they aren't seeing the demand for a frame only option. Most customers love our build options, and only need to change a few minor items to fit their needs.

    You can always work with your local PIVOT dealer to see if they can find something creative to suit your needs.
    dan23 I would disagree with your statement, there is a large demand for frame only options after talking with JRA cycles in Ma and on the threads here on MTBR and pinkbike. You are losing business with 6 guys in my riding group just by not offering it in frame only and your build specs are not that great for the money.

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    I would think complete builds are more profitable for the company.
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    The XL has 250 mm max inseartion depth by the way.

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    Does anyone know the seatpost diameter? Would like to order a bikeyoke for it.

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    From pivot: The Firebird 29 frame uses a 34.9mm or 35mm (as some manufacturers call it) seatpost clamp so a 30.9mm seatpost will be the optimal fit.

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    Thank you, missed that somehow. Optimal fit they say, that almost sounds like you could fit other sizes aswell :P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    I would think complete builds are more profitable for the company.
    Yupp. I like Pivots and owned two recently but I never liked the build kits where I think they are some of the worst in industry.

    Frame options are really needed for those of us who cycle through bikes more quickly and carry parts over. My 429T that I built up from the frame became a Primer with little effort and my recluse became a firebird and so on. The Firebird29 is not a casual trail bike and components matter. Don't tell me guide ultimate brakes and next SL cranks are the best option here. All to keep weight down for total builds for better marketing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frehol View Post
    Thank you, missed that somehow. Optimal fit they say, that almost sounds like you could fit other sizes aswell :P.
    You didnt miss it, i had to contact them. They have made a whole PDF explaining everything except maximum insertion depth on the different sizes and tube diameter 😐

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    Yupp. I like Pivots and owned two recently but I never liked the build kits where I think they are some of the worst in industry.

    Frame options are really needed for those of us who cycle through bikes more quickly and carry parts over. My 429T that I built up from the frame became a Primer with little effort and my recluse became a firebird and so on. The Firebird29 is not a casual trail bike and components matter. Don't tell me guide ultimate brakes and next SL cranks are the best option here. All to keep weight down for total builds for better marketing.
    Agree 110%

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    Thank you, missed that somehow. Optimal fit they say, that almost sounds like you could fit other sizes aswell :P.
    You could use a sleeve / adaptor 😉
    Im not sure how many droppers with smaller diameter there are, though..

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    Sweet. So what do you think? Not landing in the UK until the end of July :-(

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    Size large? Mind telling us the weight?

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    Size XL. Team XTR is about 30 lbs. I havenít put it on a scale yet tho. Picked up yesterday and hitting maiden voyage in a few hours. Will hit back with a ride report after.
    But seeing her in person and sitting on it, opens the eyes to how incredibly burly the frame is, and how raked out the front wheel sits. She is loong and tuff, but still extremely light.


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    This Lil guy was mesmerized by the DW-Link! And so was I. The new @pivot_cyclesusa #firebird29 For 2019 is a revelation for Long Travel 29ers. The rollover capacity of the larger wheels is known to help on descents, but what struck me was how much it improved aspects of the climb; a good power stroke over a few techy features, had the bike up and over easier than my Mach 5.5. I tried to dismiss it as rested legs, or new bike syndrome, but it just kept happening. Climbing up South Mountainís notoriously punchy lifts and boulders, was not at all clumsy, as some #29er Ďs can be; rather, it somehow dwarfed the difficulty. I live for the speed of the DH, but have to pedal 95% of my rides to get to the top, so I was slightly concerned by such a big bike as my main rig, but was superbly surprised by the climbing capabilities. I missed nothing from my other Bikes.
    BUT, she was designed for the descents first...and she did not disappoint. I ride these trails a ton..like, a ton.. and I ride them fast. But I took it pretty easy for the maiden voyage, getting a feel and dialing in the suspension. But I decided to open her up a bit for the finish down the National DH segment. A dropped chain after a big huck to flat, half way thru couldíve been prevented if Iíd installed the @mrpbike chain guide that I left sitting on my table, but prior to that, and afterwards, what I noticed was that the @foxmtb Grip2 36 fork, and X2 rear shock, definitely quieted and tamed much of the chatter that these Carved granite trails kick at you. #pivotcycles makes some of the worlds best pedaling Bikes, and the #Firebird keeps with that trend...only this one does it, while being big, and burly, and begging for more Gnar, only to pound it into submission. I am the Blacksmith. This is my hammer. ~


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    This Lil guy was mesmerized by the DW-Link! And so was I. The new @pivot_cyclesusa #firebird29 For 2019 is a revelation for Long Travel 29ers. The rollover capacity of the larger wheels is known to help on descents, but what struck me was how much it improved aspects of the climb; a good power stroke over a few techy features, had the bike up and over easier than my Mach 5.5. I tried to dismiss it as rested legs, or new bike syndrome, but it just kept happening. Climbing up South Mountainís notoriously punchy lifts and boulders, was not at all clumsy, as some #29er Ďs can be; rather, it somehow dwarfed the difficulty. I live for the speed of the DH, but have to pedal 95% of my rides to get to the top, so I was slightly concerned by such a big bike as my main rig, but was superbly surprised by the climbing capabilities. I missed nothing from my other Bikes.
    BUT, she was designed for the descents first...and she did not disappoint. I ride these trails a ton..like, a ton.. and I ride them fast. But I took it pretty easy for the maiden voyage, getting a feel and dialing in the suspension. But I decided to open her up a bit for the finish down the National DH segment. A dropped chain after a big huck to flat, half way thru couldíve been prevented if Iíd installed the @mrpbike chain guide that I left sitting on my table, but prior to that, and afterwards, what I noticed was that the @foxmtb Grip2 36 fork, and X2 rear shock, definitely quieted and tamed much of the chatter that these Carved granite trails kick at you. #pivotcycles makes some of the worlds best pedaling Bikes, and the #Firebird keeps with that trend...only this one does it, while being big, and burly, and begging for more Gnar, only to pound it into submission. I am the Blacksmith. This is my hammer. ~


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    How tall are you? I'm 6'6" and am wondering how well the XL fits. People on Ripmos and Sentinels say they are still a tad small for that height...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mapex101 View Post
    How tall are you? I'm 6'6" and am wondering how well the XL fits. People on Ripmos and Sentinels say they are still a tad small for that height...


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    Iím 6í1Ē with long limbs. My XL 5.5 felt really cramped. This is definitely longer and one of the bigger Bikes you can get for your height. I think if you add a longer stem, and riser bars, youíd feel more IN the bike. I did that to my Stumpjumper and it helped a bunch. Pivot tends to run on the smaller side, but Iíd try to sit on one first if I were you. Just to feel it out.


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    I would think complete builds are more profitable for the company.
    I would think selling a frame to someone is more profitable than them buying from another brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGG View Post
    Iím 6í1Ē with long limbs. My XL 5.5 felt really cramped. This is definitely longer and one of the bigger Bikes you can get for your height. I think if you add a longer stem, and riser bars, youíd feel more IN the bike. I did that to my Stumpjumper and it helped a bunch. Pivot tends to run on the smaller side, but Iíd try to sit on one first if I were you. Just to feel it out.


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    Interesting. Iím a hair shy of 5í11 with a 32.5Ē inseam and a pivot tech suggested sizing down on this bike if I was between sizes. Medium FB29 is 5í9-5í11 and large is 5í11-6í3. Iíve been riding a large Hightower with 40mm stem and 800mm bars with 20mm of rise. The medium FB29 is larger in every dimension I think I understand. The medium FB29 has both a longer top tube (3mm) and longer reach (5-10mm), with about the same stack. Front center on the medium FB29 is about 35mm longer (786mm vs 752mm) than it is on the large hightower, different fork offset and all. I wish I could sit on both medium and large, but I canít.

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    This Lil guy was mesmerized by the DW-Link! And so was I. The new @pivot_cyclesusa #firebird29 For 2019 is a revelation for Long Travel 29ers. The rollover capacity of the larger wheels is known to help on descents, but what struck me was how much it improved aspects of the climb; a good power stroke over a few techy features, had the bike up and over easier than my Mach 5.5. I tried to dismiss it as rested legs, or new bike syndrome, but it just kept happening. Climbing up South Mountainís notoriously punchy lifts and boulders, was not at all clumsy, as some #29er Ďs can be; rather, it somehow dwarfed the difficulty. I live for the speed of the DH, but have to pedal 95% of my rides to get to the top, so I was slightly concerned by such a big bike as my main rig, but was superbly surprised by the climbing capabilities. I missed nothing from my other Bikes.
    BUT, she was designed for the descents first...and she did not disappoint. I ride these trails a ton..like, a ton.. and I ride them fast. But I took it pretty easy for the maiden voyage, getting a feel and dialing in the suspension. But I decided to open her up a bit for the finish down the National DH segment. A dropped chain after a big huck to flat, half way thru couldíve been prevented if Iíd installed the @mrpbike chain guide that I left sitting on my table, but prior to that, and afterwards, what I noticed was that the @foxmtb Grip2 36 fork, and X2 rear shock, definitely quieted and tamed much of the chatter that these Carved granite trails kick at you. #pivotcycles makes some of the worlds best pedaling Bikes, and the #Firebird keeps with that trend...only this one does it, while being big, and burly, and begging for more Gnar, only to pound it into submission. I am the Blacksmith. This is my hammer. ~


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    Have you ridden the firebird 27.5? Is it as efficient peddling up hill as that? I could believe how good that is uphill - peddles like a 140mm travel bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Have you ridden the firebird 27.5? Is it as efficient peddling up hill as that? I could believe how good that is uphill - peddles like a 140mm travel bike
    I have not ridden the 27.5. Just this, coming off the 5.5, and Yeah I agree, this pedals just as good as the 140 it brings. And far better than my 135 Stumpjumper.

    Itís almost as tho, all pivots pedal astonishingly and consistently well and, you just need to decide how big of a safety net you want in travel for your riding style/terrain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by old68 View Post
    Interesting. Iím a hair shy of 5í11 with a 32.5Ē inseam and a pivot tech suggested sizing down on this bike if I was between sizes. Medium FB29 is 5í9-5í11 and large is 5í11-6í3. Iíve been riding a large Hightower with 40mm stem and 800mm bars with 20mm of rise. The medium FB29 is larger in every dimension I think I understand. The medium FB29 has both a longer top tube (3mm) and longer reach (5-10mm), with about the same stack. Front center on the medium FB29 is about 35mm longer (786mm vs 752mm) than it is on the large hightower, different fork offset and all. I wish I could sit on both medium and large, but I canít.
    I just go big on all my bikes because I feel cramped easily. This XL is extremely comfortable for me. The Stumpjumper came closest to being too big, with riser bars and an 85mm stem. But the 5.5 felt too small. This is my Goldilocks.


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    Just recieved news that Pivot is out of XL frames. New lead times are around 45 days. Really bummed, but one who waits for something good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frehol View Post
    Just recieved news that Pivot is out of XL frames. New lead times are around 45 days. Really bummed, but one who waits for something good.
    whaaaat
    When did you order and who told you? Hoping mine is one of the reasons theyre out... Waiting an extra 45 days would suck...

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    Letís hear more ride reports. How does this compare to some of the other LT 29ers out there. Iím on a Wreckoning with 11/6 and Fox 36. Anybody had time on the two and can offer a comparison?


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    Ordered pretty late, on june 28th. The store i bought from got the info directly from pivot. Yeah 45 days suck! and add another 10 days for shipping from the US.

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    had the privilege to spend an hour on a large firebird29 today on my backyard trails. It's punchy tech climbs and some DH runs with steep terrain; a few drops, steep rollers and one table someone graciously built. Plus fireroad climbs.
    First the bikes fit was spot on. I am 6 foot and was riding a large. Body position seated and out of the saddle was perfect climbing and going down. Climbing was great with tons of traction as you can expect from today's bikes. No issues clearing the technical sections or trucking up a fireroad. It is obviously not the fastest climber but if you don't need to time your ups this won't matter much. The GRIP2 damper also was impressive whereas the rear felt a little soft ish at times. Typical dw link in my opinion with their linear feel. Once the bike was up to speed it was a firm pedaling affair. But stomping you feel it's going deep but no pedal strikes. Down the hill the bikes a blast of course and lives up to the promise. It's not as poppy though and has more like a freight train feel. Which is great as the bike is super planted. I could sprint through rock gardens pedaling without my feet bouncing off the pedals. Compared to my RIPMO I would say this bike is a different category with the RIPMO being more light footed and trail oriented whereas the bird is just a bigger bike and being more planted. I'd say similar to wreckoning on DH but better climber. I like my 27.5 bird better as it feels snappier to me and I interestingly am on a medium there. The high seattube was noticeable on the steep decents but I don't know if that's because I am used to ripmo or because it's actually high. Do not notice it on the medium 27.5 bird.

    Overall I think this a candidate for a do it all bike and a probably phenomenal enduro racer if that's your thing. Would chose this over ripmo any day for that but choose the ripmo for "aggressive" trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    had the privilege to spend an hour on a large firebird29 today on my backyard trails. It's punchy tech climbs and some DH runs with steep terrain; a few drops, steep rollers and one table someone graciously built. Plus fireroad climbs.
    First the bikes fit was spot on. I am 6 foot and was riding a large. Body position seated and out of the saddle was perfect climbing and going down. Climbing was great with tons of traction as you can expect from today's bikes. No issues clearing the technical sections or trucking up a fireroad. It is obviously not the fastest climber but if you don't need to time your ups this won't matter much. The GRIP2 damper also was impressive whereas the rear felt a little soft ish at times. Typical dw link in my opinion with their linear feel. Once the bike was up to speed it was a firm pedaling affair. But stomping you feel it's going deep but no pedal strikes. Down the hill the bikes a blast of course and lives up to the promise. It's not as poppy though and has more like a freight train feel. Which is great as the bike is super planted. I could sprint through rock gardens pedaling without my feet bouncing off the pedals. Compared to my RIPMO I would say this bike is a different category with the RIPMO being more light footed and trail oriented whereas the bird is just a bigger bike and being more planted. I'd say similar to wreckoning on DH but better climber. I like my 27.5 bird better as it feels snappier to me and I interestingly am on a medium there. The high seattube was noticeable on the steep decents but I don't know if that's because I am used to ripmo or because it's actually high. Do not notice it on the medium 27.5 bird.

    Overall I think this a candidate for a do it all bike and a probably phenomenal enduro racer if that's your thing. Would chose this over ripmo any day for that but choose the ripmo for "aggressive" trail.
    Glad its better than the wreckoning at climbing as that bike was aweful at that.
    How does it compare to the ripmo on the climbs?

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    RIPMO definitely more light footed and easier to accelerate and that's with grade 300 wheels and XT cassette and DHF 2.5 in the rear. I'd say you get more bang for your watts. But both bikes are able to climb the same trails and features. It's in my opinion just less effort on RIPMO. The Firebird29 would be more comfortable going down though

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Glad its better than the wreckoning at climbing as that bike was aweful at that.
    How does it compare to the ripmo on the climbs?
    How much time did you have on a Wreck? What kind of build? Awful is not even close to how I would describe its climbing performance.


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    Have anyone tried the Hightower lt and the firebird 29? A little bit torn between the two, now that I got a 50day plus delivery time. Intended use is Enduro races and trail.

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    I hear an update to the Hightower will come latest next season. This year's model is basically same as years before.
    The bird climbs really well for a 163/170 bike but obviously not as well as the 145/160 RIPMO which to me is not really a LT 29er and I would not be comfortable throwing it down threshold or bone saw whereas I would have zero hesitation doing that on the bird. Eagle is sweet too on the bike for those fireroad like seated climbs. Very comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    I would think complete builds are more profitable for the company.
    Actually buying complete a better cost saving for average consumers unless you have components hook ups. I almost always built frame only or frame kit. I was considering the 429 trail but since not offering frame only because I had owned SB that fell through, sold my SB and bought a Trek Fuel ex 9.9 instead, so technically Pivot lost a sale because of their policy with 157mm super boost. I did contact them and expressed my desire for the frame and the ease of components change over for those of us who already had 157mm but no go and I do understand that it makes sense for those who are coming over from a non super boost frame to eliminate any wheelset switch confusion. A tough call but will cause some like myself to consider other worthy bike companies a chance for my money.

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    Seems odd to not offer the frame only option, but Pivot will probably sell every bike they produce, so Iím sure they could care less about a handful of lost frame only sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Seems odd to not offer the frame only option, but Pivot will probably sell every bike they produce, so Iím sure they could care less about a handful of lost frame only sales.
    local dealer told me they were doing Mach 4 framesets, but PIVOT is probably just desperate to unload them LOL

    would never buy a complete Firebird after seeing they spec Next SL cranks. not sure the PMs even lift bro.

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    I see a lot of people selling new stuff of their bikes because they want to reuse some old favorite components. Why not do that, if you're keen on the frame? Personally I think its more economical to buy complete bikes and sell the old as complete bikes, because the component price alone is often about the same as the whole bike.

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    Race face cranks and ks lev droppers have notoriously terrible resale value because they are disposable junk and people that build their own bikes and buy loose components know it.

    Wtb saddles - everywhere
    Padlock bars - nope

    Any complete bike over 4.5K is better off being built from the frame up IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykle View Post
    I see a lot of people selling new stuff of their bikes because they want to reuse some old favorite components. Why not do that, if you're keen on the frame? Personally I think its more economical to buy complete bikes and sell the old as complete bikes, because the component price alone is often about the same as the whole bike.
    Cause it's easier to buy another brand's(that doesn't think your a moron) frame. You lose so much money, you end up with a 4k+ frame.

    Do you have any idea how long it would take to sell the wheels? I had a set of Derby rims on DT 350 hubs with 36t upgrade. Couldn't sell them because they were a 150 rear. After a year, I re-laced in a 142mm rear and they sold in a week. There are few frames onlys coming out in superboost, but anyone buying those frame onlys aren't buying your low end wheelset.
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    this is just it. to get a decent, serviceable set of for-now proprietary wheels on on a complete PIVOT, you have to go full Kashima and XXXOO Eagle

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    Just in case anyone else was wondering, a pivot CS told me the race X01 build includes duroc 30 rims on sun ringle src hubs.

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    I like to buy a new frame every season to mix things up. My XX1 11 speed was with me on three bikes and so were my i9 wheels and stem and bars as well as dropper. Complete bikes are full of crap nowadays like 175mm cranks. Also no need to further upgrade my avalanche tuned fork which is as good as I ever need so that is moving with me too. I would not mind building a nice 157 wheelset but none of the firebird29 options get me excited on the completes. I would want grade300s for this bike and maybe a set of 942 laced to i9 hubs with their aluminum spokes. Reynolds carbon wheels are fragile AF and I would never ride them. Very slow crash replacement as well as I have seen on my buddies cracked rims. I wish complete bikes came with options.

    Anyways this is a great bike nonetheless but will end up expensive as so much needs swapping out.

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    I love the look of the bike. My XL 27.5 FB already has the seatpost slammed on descents and I would happily lower it even more. This 29er version looks like it would sit even higher though.

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    Last time I checked seat post length between the two at least medium and large were same between the two birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButtersNZ View Post
    I love the look of the bike. My XL 27.5 FB already has the seatpost slammed on descents and I would happily lower it even more. This 29er version looks like it would sit even higher though.
    Yeah, I typically ride slammed as well. I tried this one about 2.5Ē higher, and it sits pretty high. Iíll be dropping the 150mm post back to the floor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    had the privilege to spend an hour on a large firebird29 today on my backyard trails. It's punchy tech climbs and some DH runs with steep terrain; a few drops, steep rollers and one table someone graciously built. Plus fireroad climbs.
    First the bikes fit was spot on. I am 6 foot and was riding a large. Body position seated and out of the saddle was perfect climbing and going down. Climbing was great with tons of traction as you can expect from today's bikes. No issues clearing the technical sections or trucking up a fireroad. It is obviously not the fastest climber but if you don't need to time your ups this won't matter much. The GRIP2 damper also was impressive whereas the rear felt a little soft ish at times. Typical dw link in my opinion with their linear feel. Once the bike was up to speed it was a firm pedaling affair. But stomping you feel it's going deep but no pedal strikes. Down the hill the bikes a blast of course and lives up to the promise. It's not as poppy though and has more like a freight train feel. Which is great as the bike is super planted. I could sprint through rock gardens pedaling without my feet bouncing off the pedals. Compared to my RIPMO I would say this bike is a different category with the RIPMO being more light footed and trail oriented whereas the bird is just a bigger bike and being more planted. I'd say similar to wreckoning on DH but better climber. I like my 27.5 bird better as it feels snappier to me and I interestingly am on a medium there. The high seattube was noticeable on the steep decents but I don't know if that's because I am used to ripmo or because it's actually high. Do not notice it on the medium 27.5 bird.

    Overall I think this a candidate for a do it all bike and a probably phenomenal enduro racer if that's your thing. Would chose this over ripmo any day for that but choose the ripmo for "aggressive" trail.
    got to ride a Firebird 27.5 and was blown away with how well it climbed (efficiency) - it climbs like a 130-140mm travel bike. How do you think the bird 29 compares to the compared to the bird 27 with climbing?

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    My 27.5 bird is/ was a lighter build equipped with i9 carbon rims and oval chain ring and it felt snappier and easier to accelerate. Generally I find 29ers to climb better in almost every scenario as its so easy to get the front over rocks and up ledges but it requires more effort. I think for strong and taller riders a 29er will always be advantageous. The bird29 is also really good looking in person. Shitty build kits aside I'd love to own one just for the sheer gnar factor of this bike. But then there is this seattube....i think I'll do another demo once the shop has one.

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    Have two good rides on a medium demo XO1 build with carbon wheels and factory X2 upgrades. Iím 5í10.5Ē and my normal bike is a medium Switchblade, no cup, fork at 160mm and a DPX2 on the rear. Fit wise, the Firebird fealt a bit tighter. With the Firebird in the low setting, I measured the center of the bars to the center of the seat parallel to the ground and my Switchblade was .5Ē longer than the Bird. Most of the difference comes from the 35mm stem installed on the Bird compared to the stock 60mm on the Switchblade.

    First ride is my backyard mountain trail with about 1200 feet of rocky climbing and a nice super loose baby-head rocky downhill. Ridden it 75 times at least over the years so I know the trail well. Climbing uphill was a bit slower but I kept stopping to adjust the seat height, angle and rotate the bars to get them comfortable. I did notice the slack head angle and the front wheel flopped around a bit until I got used to it. Firebird still climbed really well but more plush the my SB. Especially the Grip2 fork that had great small bump compliance and great mid-stroke support. Heading down was like a dhill sled. It just tracked over the loose rocks without giving up much traction. Posted my fastest time ever.

    For the 2nd ride, I switched to the high setting. It instantly felt much more like the Switchblade and seemed to reduce the cramped feeling a bit but also could have just gotten used to it. 2nd ride started with a 1500 ft steep, loose rocky climb up Belcher Hill. I rode with the shock fully open and it just skirted up at about the same pace I do on my Switchblade, albeit with a bit more comfort. I was amazed at how comfortable the bike was on the climb. Was even good to power up some steep rock sections. The downhill is pretty gnarly with repeated 2í+ drops in succession with some steep rocky chutes. Felt really composed the whole way down and had no notice of the slack head angle as it railed the berms with ease. The xt brakes do make some chatter noise but didnít bother me as I was just concentrating on keeping the bike pointed in the right direction. They are also really powerful and I only noticed a bit of fade near the bottom, It definetly a point and shoot bike. A bit heavier feeling to launch than the SB but it just eats up what in front of it so less finesse needed. Had fresher legs than normal by the time I hit the bottom. Amazing bike that just begs for more speed. For trails, the high setting seemed much better overall.

    One more ride planned for tomorrow at a bike park, so back to the low setting and backed off the compression adjustments a bit. Weíll see how that goes but so far, this is the first serious contender for me to replace my Switchblade and DH bike. Still thinking a large may be a better fit so Iíll hop on one when I take this one back. Highly recommend a demo if youíve got trails that warrant a bike with all the capability needed for parks but still have some serious climbing needs.

    Edit: 3rd day in at the park and this bike is the closest I ridden to the quiver killer. It absolutely shined at the park on everything from super chunky blacks to 20ft tables. Granted Treslte is not the steepest terrain but this bike handled everything in with ease. With the low weight and itís ability to carry speed compared to my Al 650b DH bike, I had to adjust a bit on the jumps but was an easy transition. Still pondering the size dilemma but still thinking the large may be a slightly better fit. Firebird 29-376ad5e8-1767-4647-a87b-dc5883641d19.jpg
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    Thanks for the review. Just ordered mine!

    I also have a SB. I don't plan to replace the SB with the FB, I just think they'll be very complementary. The SB for fun trail riding and the FB29 for gnarly enduro and park riding.

    It'll be interesting to see though how the FB29 will be for general trails riding. It should probably keep up fine but I'm not sure it'll have the same snappy fun factor as the SB does.

    And in case you're wondering, yes I've taken the SB in some super gnarly steep enduro runs (as in Italy) and to the park. While it did work, I could really feel the limits of the head tube angle and the rear suspension travel.

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    I am 5'10" and bought a large Pro XT/XTR with the factory x2 upgrade. I demoed a medium and felt a tad bit cramped, the large is a perfect fit. Before purchase I demoed a ton of long travel bikes, this bike was replacing my 2015 Niner WFO - the bike that started the LT 29er trend. This bike is amazing, and climbs very well. It rides similar to the wreckoning when going down, but pedals so much better. I strictly ride Enduro, and will be doing some lift dh runs. The bike is just amazing, and the fox 36 fit 2 with the fox x2 blows my rockshock pike and debonair rct3 out of the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaigneault View Post
    I am 5'10" and bought a large Pro XT/XTR with the factory x2 upgrade. I demoed a medium and felt a tad bit cramped, the large is a perfect fit. Before purchase I demoed a ton of long travel bikes, this bike was replacing my 2015 Niner WFO - the bike that started the LT 29er trend. This bike is amazing, and climbs very well. It rides similar to the wreckoning when going down, but pedals so much better. I strictly ride Enduro, and will be doing some lift dh runs. The bike is just amazing, and the fox 36 fit 2 with the fox x2 blows my rockshock pike and debonair rct3 out of the water.
    Great to hear. Can't wait to demo but have to wait another 3 weeks for them to hit the UK :-|

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaigneault View Post
    .... 2015 Niner WFO - the bike that started the LT 29er trend. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    had the privilege to spend an hour on a large firebird29 today on my backyard trails. It's punchy tech climbs and some DH runs with steep terrain; a few drops, steep rollers and one table someone graciously built. Plus fireroad climbs.
    First the bikes fit was spot on. I am 6 foot and was riding a large. Body position seated and out of the saddle was perfect climbing and going down. Climbing was great with tons of traction as you can expect from today's bikes. No issues clearing the technical sections or trucking up a fireroad. It is obviously not the fastest climber but if you don't need to time your ups this won't matter much. The GRIP2 damper also was impressive whereas the rear felt a little soft ish at times. Typical dw link in my opinion with their linear feel. Once the bike was up to speed it was a firm pedaling affair. But stomping you feel it's going deep but no pedal strikes. Down the hill the bikes a blast of course and lives up to the promise. It's not as poppy though and has more like a freight train feel. Which is great as the bike is super planted. I could sprint through rock gardens pedaling without my feet bouncing off the pedals. Compared to my RIPMO I would say this bike is a different category with the RIPMO being more light footed and trail oriented whereas the bird is just a bigger bike and being more planted. I'd say similar to wreckoning on DH but better climber. I like my 27.5 bird better as it feels snappier to me and I interestingly am on a medium there. The high seattube was noticeable on the steep decents but I don't know if that's because I am used to ripmo or because it's actually high. Do not notice it on the medium 27.5 bird.

    Overall I think this a candidate for a do it all bike and a probably phenomenal enduro racer if that's your thing. Would chose this over ripmo any day for that but choose the ripmo for "aggressive" trail.
    I am 5'11 and im on a Large Firebird (27.5) with 35mm stem. It plows the straightaways but a little cumbersome on the tight sections with switchbacks. Totally expected for a Long Wheelbase bike. Should I get a medium Firebird 29?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaigneault View Post
    I am 5'10" and bought a large Pro XT/XTR with the factory x2 upgrade. I demoed a medium and felt a tad bit cramped, the large is a perfect fit. Before purchase I demoed a ton of long travel bikes, this bike was replacing my 2015 Niner WFO - the bike that started the LT 29er trend. This bike is amazing, and climbs very well. It rides similar to the wreckoning when going down, but pedals so much better. I strictly ride Enduro, and will be doing some lift dh runs. The bike is just amazing, and the fox 36 fit 2 with the fox x2 blows my rockshock pike and debonair rct3 out of the water.
    Im in a dilemma here. I own a Large 27.5 Firebird and wondering if I should get a Large or Medium Firebird 29. I did a parking lot test on a Large Firebird 29 and it felt good fit wise with a 45mm stem (currently running 35mm stem on my 27.5). Also, I did not notice the wheels sticking way out considering its a 29er. I wish I can demo both sizes though.

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    I am 6 foot flat and the large bird29 was spot on fit wise (except long seattube) on my demo. I was riding a 50mm stem on the 27.5 Medium birg and fit was great as well. The large 27.5 I demoed before felt way too stretched. Not sure but I definitely recommend demo and decide what the bikes for to see if you need stability (large) over maneuverability (medium).

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    I rode the FB29 over the last few days. I can honestly say this is the best descending bike i have ever ridden. The bike was awesome and will give you confidence to take on almost anything. The bike is very stable and very planted. The new Fox 36 is really nice and felt so smooth.

    The climbing is where i want to focus. I would probably never own this bike (rental) as its just to much bike to pedal around as an everyday rig. I am currently riding a switchblade for reference.

    The FB29 is an efficient climber meaning that the suspension reacts very well to pedaling and pedal bob is very minimal. The FB29 is a big bike and you can feel this on sustained steep climbs. It will get you to the top of any hill but you will be exerting more energy than normal. My SB runs rings around this thing climbing.

    If you are looking to get stronger and don't mind the sit and spin type of climbing the bike will be fine. If you are looking for a bike that climbs like the SB this is not the bike. It takes effort to pedal the FB29.

    Considering that the bike is so big it is a decent climber but keep in mind what you are riding.

    To compare this to other bikes i would say that the Wreckoning, SB5.5, climb much better, but that the FB29 is more composed and a better descender than the bikes mentioned above.

    I did 30 miles of climbing on the bike in 2 days and these are my initial thoughts.
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    A big bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    I am 6 foot flat and the large bird29 was spot on fit wise (except long seattube) on my demo. I was riding a 50mm stem on the 27.5 Medium birg and fit was great as well. The large 27.5 I demoed before felt way too stretched. Not sure but I definitely recommend demo and decide what the bikes for to see if you need stability (large) over maneuverability (medium).
    I thought I'd chime in with an update. I'm around 5'11 with 32.5 inseam, barefoot, and I purchased a size medium. I did this without a demo, and have put around 30 miles on it now.

    This has been said before but let me be clear, this is a big bike. The first thing everyone says when they see it is "that's a big bike". It makes the Hightower looks svelte. The medium FB29 came with a 45mm stem and is about the same size or slightly larger than my large hightower (40mm stem, 800mm bars and and 150mm fork). My medium came with a 125mm fox transfer instead of a the 150mm KS that it was supposed to, probably due to supply shortage, but I will soon replace that with a 170mm oneup.

    Subjectively, the medium FB29 feels about the same size as my large Hightower, and that's exactly what I was hoping and expecting based on the geo charts. I donít doubt a large would also probably work for me, but I must recognize I'm way overbiked and this medium was in my opinion the correct choice for me and the riding I do.

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    I wanted to follow up with a 2 week update. Iíve got 12 rides and over 90 All Mountain Miles on my XL- Team XTR build. Iíve doubled down on my position that this bike actually climbs better than my Mach 5.5. Iíd say that it has the same climbing prowess, but the added rollover of the 29 is what is getting me up and over some of the punchy tech features with greater ease. And it should be noted that I typically climb with the rear shock fully open. Pedal bob is not an issue.

    As I said in my initial review, I ride south mountain in Phoenix and the boulders and obstacles can be tough. From extended, steep and loose climbs, to short and even steeper sections. And Iím able to get up them all with slightly less of a strain. Itís sort of mind boggling to me even still. As others have said; this is a BIG bike, and you can feel it. But itís sooo light.

    I havenít ridden some of the other Bikes mentioned above for a comparison, but as far as my own strengths and capabilities, they are amplified on this bike.

    As far as the downs, Iíve been consistently PRíing and adding to, or climbing up, the top tens all over the place. Had a sloppy run down Natty DH and it was still sub-2:00. Picked some bad lines on a blind trail in Globe and nosed on some big rocks after huck to flat, which shouldíve sent me off the bike, but she stamped that out and kept me upright no prob.
    Planted isnít even an adequate adverb; the bike is Rooted into the trail.

    Havenít been to a park yet. But I categorize this as an All Mountain/Trail bike that slays like a DH rig, and climbs like its no more more than 140 rear. The small bump compliance of the new Grip36 fork is also phenomenal.

    Good balanced reviews here thus far...To each his own; but I feel personally that the climbing prowess of this slayer should be noted as much as, or alongside itís DH skill.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowsed341 View Post
    I rode the FB29 over the last few days. I can honestly say this is the best descending bike i have ever ridden. The bike was awesome and will give you confidence to take on almost anything. The bike is very stable and very planted. The new Fox 36 is really nice and felt so smooth.

    The climbing is where i want to focus. I would probably never own this bike (rental) as its just to much bike to pedal around as an everyday rig. I am currently riding a switchblade for reference.

    The FB29 is an efficient climber meaning that the suspension reacts very well to pedaling and pedal bob is very minimal. The FB29 is a big bike and you can feel this on sustained steep climbs. It will get you to the top of any hill but you will be exerting more energy than normal. My SB runs rings around this thing climbing.

    If you are looking to get stronger and don't mind the sit and spin type of climbing the bike will be fine. If you are looking for a bike that climbs like the SB this is not the bike. It takes effort to pedal the FB29.

    Considering that the bike is so big it is a decent climber but keep in mind what you are riding.

    To compare this to other bikes i would say that the Wreckoning, SB5.5, climb much better, but that the FB29 is more composed and a better descender than the bikes mentioned above.

    I did 30 miles of climbing on the bike in 2 days and these are my initial thoughts.
    Thanks for your review. Funny that you think its worse than the wreck at climbing but the post before you says its better! I guess rider leg length comes into it due to the different actual seat angles.

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    Anyone is debating between Transition sentinel carbon and firebird 29? I'm really excited for the geo of the sentibel but I afraid I'll miss my 165mm travel from my current firebird 275.

    Any tought on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soucy View Post
    Anyone is debating between Transition sentinel carbon and firebird 29? I'm really excited for the geo of the sentibel but I afraid I'll miss my 165mm travel from my current firebird 275.

    Any tought on that?
    Ha ha,
    No I am debating between Bird 29 or a Bird 27 AND a YT capra 29 as I would buy frame only one the later....

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    I'm interested to hear more peoples opinions about riding the bike in the high position. Does it feel like a reasonable do-all trail bike with a little extra smashy smashy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanderson View Post
    I'm interested to hear more peoples opinions about riding the bike in the high position. Does it feel like a reasonable do-all trail bike with a little extra smashy smashy?
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    Depends what you consider reasonable. It's a big bike and it takes effort. Geometry is spot on for a trail shredder in my opinion.

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    Nice Roman - love to hear your thoughts on this bike!

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    Looking forward to hearing your comparisons to your Ripmo.

    And if you can recall 15 bikes back, your SB5.5 as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Nice Roman - love to hear your thoughts on this bike!
    Putting some time on it this weekend

    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    Looking forward to hearing your comparisons to your Ripmo.

    And if you can recall 15 bikes back, your SB5.5 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGG View Post
    ...but what struck me was how much it improved aspects of the climb... but was superbly surprised by the climbing capabilities. I missed nothing from my other Bikes.
    BUT, she was designed for the descents first...and she did not disappoint.
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    How tall are you? I'm 6'6" and am wondering how well the XL fits. People on Ripmos and Sentinels say they are still a tad small for that height...
    Let me start with this: I'm a big guy (6'4; 225) with long arms, so this might have influenced my ride. For Mapex: it is a BIG bike; I hopped on it and it felt like home...I sat "in" it (rather than "on") and was perfectly comfortable. It was perfectly stiff for me; whoever said Pivot is known for flexy rear ends, I don't get it.

    So this weekend, I planned to demo the 429Trail as a follow up to see if my initial impressions held (they do...it's in the 429 thread). But: all the XLs were gone and the only XL Pivot was the FB in blue/yellow. Probably b/c there's no reason to own a Firebird where I live. But since I was there and it was there I figured: why not.

    I will say: if you're an enduro guy that HAS to climb to go down, you'd be doing yourself a disservice to not, at least try, the Firebird.

    What JAGG wrote reflects my experience: I assumed it would go down fine, but I found it climbed really well. I don't think it gave up all that much to smaller travel bikes. I didn't think the suspension itself robbed forward momentum...and I didn't experience front wheel wander except on the steepest of climbs. And at 30-ish #, it doesn't weight that much (if at all) more than a bunch of other recent shorter-travel 29ers.

    Going down: what can I say: boing, boing, boing, mini-golf...super fun, super soaky...but: fast and stable.

    One last note: it is a big bike...but I had ZERO issues in tight corners at speed; a bit of wander on the steepest of climbs, but nothing I couldn't correct for.

    As I wrote above, I initially was demoing a 429Trail and, honestly, riding it immediately after the Firebird, I was under-whelmed. The 429 is a nice bike that rides well...but it wasn't exciting. The Firedbird is an exciting bike. Obviously, I was really, really impressed with the Firebird (especially with how well it climbed); waaay more impressed than I thought I'd be.

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    Ripped her down the waterfall on National for another PR

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    Anyone that's ridden the Nomad N4 and Firebird 29 care to draw any comparisons?

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    Very nice. I see the word ďPivotĒ on the downtube is all white on this one? Come like that or did you change it. Looks much better than the day-glow pictured on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanderson View Post
    Anyone that's ridden the Nomad N4 and Firebird 29 care to draw any comparisons?
    Or a rm slayer

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanderson View Post
    Anyone that's ridden the Nomad N4 and Firebird 29 care to draw any comparisons?
    I actually drew this comparison in my mind on my 3rd ride with the FB. To me the Firebird 29 rides very much like I would imagine a 29" Nomad would, which is a good thing as the Nomad has been my favorite 27.5 bike.

    My initial impressions after a few days riding with the FB are that the two bikes are very similar in that they both have very good geo, both pedal really well and both smash thru rough with ease. They also both are not ideal everyday trail bikes unless you ride mostly nasty trails as they both have more weight than most trail bikes and despite their great suspension designs the long travel limits how efficient they can be at times. Both of these bikes I feel really need to be ridden on advanced trails at high speed to get the most out of them. For riders who have access to the right trails and like to shuttle and ride park these two bikes are top of the class level. They also work nicely as a second bike when needed but for anyone considering using either as a one bike for everything you will need to be prepared to make compromises and work harder for your ascents.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rom3n View Post
    I actually drew this comparison in my mind on my 3rd ride with the FB. To me the Firebird 29 rides very much like I would imagine a 29" Nomad would, which is a good thing as the Nomad has been my favorite 27.5 bike.

    My initial impressions after a few days riding with the FB are that the two bikes are very similar in that they both have very good geo, both pedal really well and both smash thru rough with ease. They also both are not ideal everyday trail bikes unless you ride mostly nasty trails as they both have more weight than most trail bikes and despite their great suspension designs the long travel limits how efficient they can be at times. Both of these bikes I feel really need to be ridden on advanced trails at high speed to get the most out of them. For riders who have access to the right trails and like to shuttle and ride park these two bikes are top of the class level. They also work nicely as a second bike when needed but for anyone considering using either as a one bike for everything you will need to be prepared to make compromises and work harder for your ascents.




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    Great comparison, thanks. As much as I really want to convince myself the Firebird 29 (or Nomad) would be a good trail bike, it seems like they are a little too much for doing big trail rides. I actually got to test ride one for about an hour during a demo day, but it just wasn't enough to draw firm conclusions about doing big trail rides. It certainly climbed well, and obviously descended great, but the weight was noticeable when chugging uphill. I rode a large Pro XT/XTR build and it weight in at 32 lbs on the fish scale. Kinda portly for hauling around on an all day ride. Now if I lived in BC though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAGG View Post
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    Too bad. Have to admit it looks better as it breaks up the colors a bit. Like the black lettering on the sandstone. Wouldnít look as ďclassyĒ if it were all orange.

    Regardless, the bike is well designed. Iíve ridden my friends v4 Nomad in the same park and trails as the FB29 and the geo and performance feel very similar with both in the low setting. And climb very similar in the higher setting. I felt the FB29 carried speed on flat terrain bit better though. Just need to convince myself now that I need both the Switchblade and the Firebird29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupordave View Post
    Too bad. Have to admit it looks better as it breaks up the colors a bit. Like the black lettering on the sandstone. Wouldnít look as ďclassyĒ if it were all orange.
    Agreed. I like the subtlety of the orange on the Sandstorm; more of an accent...the yellow is just a bit too loud for me...Iíd still def rock the steel blue, but love my colorway more and more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fanderson View Post
    Great comparison, thanks. As much as I really want to convince myself the Firebird 29 (or Nomad) would be a good trail bike, it seems like they are a little too much for doing big trail rides. I actually got to test ride one for about an hour during a demo day, but it just wasn't enough to draw firm conclusions about doing big trail rides. It certainly climbed well, and obviously descended great, but the weight was noticeable when chugging uphill. I rode a large Pro XT/XTR build and it weight in at 32 lbs on the fish scale. Kinda portly for hauling around on an all day ride. Now if I lived in BC though.....
    Hmmmm interesting. The firebird 27.5 peddles so well i would use it as an every day trail
    Bike. So would you say the 29 isnít as adaptable / efficient as that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Hmmmm interesting. The firebird 27.5 peddles so well i would use it as an every day trail
    Bike. So would you say the 29 isnít as adaptable / efficient as that?
    I think it really comes down to your trails and what youíre personally looking for from a bike. For some, a Switchblade or Mach 5.5 will be too much bike as an everyday trail rig. The FB29 is certainly capable of being peddled around as an everyday rig, just not the first choice for many.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fanderson View Post
    ...I rode a large Pro XT/XTR build and it weight in at 32 lbs on the fish scale. Kinda portly for hauling around on an all day ride...
    I'm getting hung up on this viewpoint. There are bunches of bikes coming out at appx. 28-32lbs with much less travel. If the FB peddled poorly or the suspension wallowed, I'd understand this perspective. But, if you're buying a 31 pound Smuggler, 30 pound Following, or even a 29lb Trail429...why not just buy the FB29 and have the extra suspension in the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    I'm getting hung up on this viewpoint. There are bunches of bikes coming out at appx. 28-32lbs with much less travel. If the FB peddled poorly or the suspension wallowed, I'd understand this perspective. But, if you're buying a 31 pound Smuggler, 30 pound Following, or even a 29lb Trail429...why not just buy the FB29 and have the extra suspension in the bank.
    Big, long, slack bikes with lots of suspension can actually be boring on mellower trails. Even when they peddle well, they tend to be less snappy on the peddled, and somewhat lazier in handling at lower speeds. Everything is relative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by godfather View Post
    Big, long, slack bikes with lots of suspension can actually be boring on mellower trails. Even when they peddle well, they tend to be less snappy on the peddled, and somewhat lazier in handling at lower speeds. Everything is relative.


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    I understand the geometry perspective (I will reiterate: during my limited time, the FB didn't exhibit these tendencies nearly as much as some other long travel bikes) and had a blast on it.

    ...I'm just talking about when people say that the bike weighs too much...when other bikes of similar weight are readily considered all day bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    I understand the geometry perspective (I will reiterate: during my limited time, the FB didn't exhibit these tendencies nearly as much as some other long travel bikes) and had a blast on it.

    ...I'm just talking about when people say that the bike weighs too much...when other bikes of similar weight are readily considered all day bikes.
    I totally agree with the weight perspective you have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    I'm getting hung up on this viewpoint. There are bunches of bikes coming out at appx. 28-32lbs with much less travel. If the FB peddled poorly or the suspension wallowed, I'd understand this perspective. But, if you're buying a 31 pound Smuggler, 30 pound Following, or even a 29lb Trail429...why not just buy the FB29 and have the extra suspension in the bank.
    Because it doesn't really work that way. I'm pretty sure there are 7lb DH frames on the market, you could easily build those in the 30lb range with inappropriately light-duty parts, but that bike wouldn't be equally suitable to all-day rides as a 30lb Trail 429, or similar.

    It's geometry and suspension design that dictate feel.

    While I'm somewhat conscious of the parts I put on my bikes, I don't weigh them anymore. Unless it's entirely in the wheels/tires, you cannot feel a ~2lb. difference in builds on the same bike (arguably more). Maybe if you weigh 100lbs, but if you're of normal weight or heavy, it's a moot point. FWIW, a full, large, insulated water bottle weighs almost 2lbs. Go ride with and without a bottle on the same loop and tell me the times are significantly different.

    I honestly feel like the only way a lighter bike will significantly outperform a comparable, but slightly heavier bike is if you're convinced it will. And thus you can limit the placebo effect by not focusing on weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    I'm getting hung up on this viewpoint. There are bunches of bikes coming out at appx. 28-32lbs with much less travel. If the FB peddled poorly or the suspension wallowed, I'd understand this perspective. But, if you're buying a 31 pound Smuggler, 30 pound Following, or even a 29lb Trail429...why not just buy the FB29 and have the extra suspension in the bank.
    I agree with you to an extent. I'm definitely not opposed to pedaling around a 32 lbs bike all day as long as it's not constantly sapping me of energy. In my limited test ride of the Firebird 29, I couldn't quite tell if it would be suitable for an all day backcountry-type ride that I often do on the weekends. The terrain I'm talking about is remote, rugged, and often involves ridiculously steep uphills (i.e. walking), so every bit of efficiency in the bike is appreciated. On the other hand, my weeknight local riding is fast and smooth, but still mountainous. I have a wide range of terrain that I ride, so versatility is key.

    I guess my viewpoint is that geo and pedaling characteristics can often hide weight, but I also think it can work the other way around to an extent. Right now, I'm pedaling around a 29 lb Enduro 29er (gen1), and I'm trying not to lose much versatility with a bike swap. My E29 doesn't pedal the greatest without the climb switch on, but (to me) the lighter weight is able to make it feel a little snappier and I don't have any problem pedaling it around all day.

    Since we're on this subject, I found this video review of some techy flat pedaling on an Firebird 29. He seems to make quick work out of it.

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    Similar bikes in the same catagory pedal very differently.
    New Enduro 29 coil for instance seems very efficient.
    New 2018 capra pro race is an absolute dog on the climbs...

    Both built burly, both 32lb...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    ...New Enduro 29 coil for instance seems very efficient...
    Not for nothing, but the same weekend, I demo'd the new Stumpy and the suspension on that thing was terrible (set up by Spesh guy). If I was choosing between that the FB, I'd pick the FB regardless of the type of ride.

    I know: apples-to-oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Similar bikes in the same catagory pedal very differently.
    New Enduro 29 coil for instance seems very efficient.
    New 2018 capra pro race is an absolute dog on the climbs...

    Both built burly, both 32lb...
    And these two bikes share similar suspension designs (4 bar/FSR w/Horst Link). Tune, Pivot placement and geo can drastically change the feel of a bike. For me, none of the FSR style suspensions have pedaled particularly well without using a platform switch. DW on the other hand pedals very well in most configurations. Thereís potential trade offs for both though.


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    Hi Guys, considering the Firebird, I am currently on a 19.5 Trek Slash and 6ft 2. Can anyone compare the sizing between the 2 bikes? I think I may be a large on the Firebird. Has anyone rode a slash and Firebird? Thoughts on the 2 bikes for a Enduro style riding?
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    I'm also 6ft2 and I'm considering the xl since I want the fastest bike and not necessarly the most playful.

    Tomorrow I'll do strava runs on my 275 bird vs a demo 29er firebird. I am quite excited to do this test myself and will post the results and impressions soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soucy View Post
    I'm also 6ft2 and I'm considering the xl since I want the fastest bike and not necessarly the most playful.

    Tomorrow I'll do strava runs on my 275 bird vs a demo 29er firebird. I am quite excited to do this test myself and will post the results and impressions soon.
    Please do, i am waiting to demo a 29 before buying either a 29 or 27.5. Also very interested in if the 29 is an efficient climber as the 27.5, as I will use this bike for 7-8hr rides a day for a whole week in the alps, whistler back country, scotland epic days etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Please do, i am waiting to demo a 29 before buying either a 29 or 27.5. Also very interested in if the 29 is an efficient climber as the 27.5, as I will use this bike for 7-8hr rides a day for a whole week in the alps, whistler back country, scotland epic days etc
    It is official. At my height, the 29er are clearly faster. I went 4 seconds faster on the bird29 vs my bird 27.5 on a 2:20 track and my shock was missing 20 psi due to bad setup from vendor. What really surprised me the most was the amount of energy saved while descending on the 29er. Cornering do requires more effort but overall runs were really less tiring.

    For climbing, I didn't found it was any faster than the 27.5. I would even say that the bird 27.5 was easier to climb in technical section.

    But overall stoked on this bike. More nimble than expected. Might consider changing my bike.

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    Hi All,

    Quick question for who can possibly advise here !
    Maybe this was answered ?

    I have already ordered a pivot firebird 29er.
    I orders a small. I am 5' 6" with a 27.75' inseam.

    the shop i went into only had a med and the standover was just a bit more than I wanted. when standing over I was just barely on my tippy toes.

    Do yall think the small will fit me substantially better? As long as my feet planted when standing over I am good. .. Yes i care about stand over clearance.

    thanks !!

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    The medium has a stand over height of 28.23Ē. The small has a stand over height of 27.87Ē.

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    thanks !

    So the below geometry charts off pivot website are incorrect ?
    per their website small is 27.14 and Med is 27.38 in 29" High BB setting.
    I guess there may be a discrepancy of where they are measuring to ?

    Sorry for any confusion here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaigneault View Post
    The medium has a stand over height of 28.23Ē. The small has a stand over height of 27.87Ē.
    Those are the Firebird 27.5's

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    Oops,
    27.13 for medium 26.90 for small, in low position

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