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    All new Switchblade on it's way?

    It's quite a while that there are only few Switchblade builds on Competitive Cyclist website. Only one 29er carbon build, and one 29er alioy are offered. No new Switchblade inventory for a few weeks now.

    Is that because a new Switchblade launch is coming soon? so no more "old" Switchblades in order to sell the remaininig Switchblade inventory?

    Anyone knows or heard anything?

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    Historically, they have't released bikes in November or December besides Les Fat and 429 SL. I'd predict something in April is more likely.

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    Well, a lot of bike manufacturers (usually the big brands) change their bike spec and colors every model year. They usually launch new models between July-August.

    Pivot and other small brands does not! New models and colors stay for 3-4 years (Switchblade is 4 years old, same colors and same great bike; Ibis Ripley frame changed just recently). That is great because you ride your bike for 3 years and it's still looks new... (-:

    Other than that, I don't think there are real changes every year....it's more the colors and marketing effect... wer'e talking about bikes, not cellphones. 3-4 years is a reasonable period of time for planning, building and testing new bikes. That is what I think is Pivot's and other small manufucturers policy.

    Pivot also doesn't have any specific launch season....The Phoenix 29 was launched on September, Firebird 29 on June the Trail 429 on May ect.
    So...I'm still waiting for the new switchblade

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    Cunningham wrote in the XT article on Pinkbike that they have a new SB test bike. There are pics of parts of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerVernon View Post
    Cunningham wrote in the XT article on Pinkbike that they have a new SB test bike. There are pics of parts of it.
    That's the current SB. High volume Pivot dealer told me spring, 160/140 or 160/145. Makes sense- they need a Ripmo/SB130 killer.

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    It doesn't make sense that they would do a long term review on a 4 year old design that is getting updated in 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerVernon View Post
    It doesn't make sense that they would do a long term review on a 4 year old design that is getting updated in 6 months.
    That's a long term review of the XT group, not the bike. How can you do a long-term review on a bike that has yet to be released? SB is clearly the current model- look at the pics.

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    I’ll be curious to see if they release an AL version at 3k to compete with the Ripmo AF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlloyd007 View Post
    That's a long term review of the XT group, not the bike. How can you do a long-term review on a bike that has yet to be released? SB is clearly the current model- look at the pics.
    You can only see a part of it. We don't know what the update is or what it looks like. So that could be the new model. There could just be some geo changes. The SB was reviewed on PB by Vernon Felton in 2017. It seems odd that Cunningham would be reviewing the same thing right before a new SB comes out. Just sayin.

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    don’t ask me for more details, but its coming sooner than you think...
    Soon enough to hold off buying anything else.

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    Sooner than April 16? (Sea Otter Classic)

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    The SB in the Pink Bike article has the upper link behind the seat tube, all of the latest Pivot models have the upper link in front of the seat tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    don’t ask me for more details, but its coming sooner than you think...
    Soon enough to hold off buying anything else.
    People have been saying stuff like "I have it on great authority that it will have 138.99mm of travel and will be offered in 3 shades of purple" for like the last year or so. I'll believe it when I see it.

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    The upper link placement in the Pinkbike article pic matches the pic on Pivot's site for the current Switchblade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolBehindTheWrench View Post
    People have been saying stuff like "I have it on great authority that it will have 138.99mm of travel and will be offered in 3 shades of purple" for like the last year or so. I'll believe it when I see it.
    I can tell you now it won’t have 138.99mm travel, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    I can tell you now it won’t have 138.99mm travel, lol
    I hope you got the DUB joke. i'm just saying, the internet is full of prognosticators....

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolBehindTheWrench View Post
    I hope you got the DUB joke. i'm just saying, the internet is full of prognosticators....
    Yea, dub is one step up from super boost

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    don’t ask me for more details, but its coming sooner than you think...
    Soon enough to hold off buying anything else.
    Pivot just launched a Trail 429 enduro limited edition.
    New color, Fox 36 140mm, DPX2, Factory Transfer dropper and 34mm Reynolds wheels.

    https://reviews.mtbr.com/pivot-trail...s-weight-specs

    Did you mean this bike? Because it really came sooner....LOL

    Still waiting for the new SB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    Pivot just launched a Trail 429 enduro limited edition.
    New color, Fox 36 140mm, DPX2, Factory Transfer dropper and 34mm Reynolds wheels.

    https://reviews.mtbr.com/pivot-trail...s-weight-specs

    Did you mean this bike? Because it really came sooner....LOL

    Still waiting for the new SB!
    Nah, thats not a new bike, just an existing one shot up with steroids!

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    Thanks richt

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    I bet we'll see the new switchblade in the 2020 Bible of bike tests which was recorded already. https://www.bikemag.com/2020-bible-o...ts-the-reveal/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarAF View Post
    I bet we'll see the new switchblade in the 2020 Bible of bike tests which was recorded already. https://www.bikemag.com/2020-bible-o...ts-the-reveal/

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    Heard a rumor it won’t be called the SB any longer. But a new bike is coming soon. 140 to 150mm rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Heard a rumor it won’t be called the SB any longer. But a new bike is coming soon. 140 to 150mm rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    ...140 to 150mm rear.
    Now somewhere inbetween those numbers would be bang on for me :-)

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    A mini Firebird with 140-150mm of travel would be perfect.

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    I sort of have mixed feelings about this. I was waiting for a new SB for over a year and ended up getting a FB29 because it climbs so well and is incredibly capable downhill. Basically it feels like a longer travel SB to me (especially in the high setting). I can't imagine that a new SB will be materially lighter than the FB29, so it will be interesting to see how Pivot positions/differentiates it from the FB29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlloyd007 View Post
    I sort of have mixed feelings about this. I was waiting for a new SB for over a year and ended up getting a FB29 because it climbs so well and is incredibly capable downhill. Basically it feels like a longer travel SB to me (especially in the high setting). I can't imagine that a new SB will be materially lighter than the FB29, so it will be interesting to see how Pivot positions/differentiates it from the FB29.
    I've only had 1 ride on the Firebird. I agree, it climbs and descends very well, but it might be a bit more bike than I need for day to day use. I'm going to hold out for the updated Switchblade, then make a decision.

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    With the Trail at 120mm and FB at 160mm, a 140mm makes since My guess would be 145mm and a 160mm fork

    I think the real question is. Will they compete with Ibis and offer and AL frame and AF pricing

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    With the Trail at 120mm and FB at 160mm, a 140mm makes since My guess would be 145mm and a 160mm fork
    My guess too.

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    My wish would be something more comparable to the Yeti SB130 with a newer color selection. I like the bass boat blue and new limited edition gray Trail429.

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    Bass boat blue, red logo/lettering similar to the original Switchblade, 140/160mm and keeping the weight on the low side might be bang-on! Previously when they made the first Switchblade, there was no long-travel 29er for Enduro racing in the lineup so most switchblades were over 30lbs unless you had a crazy light build spec. Now with the FB29 filling that role, I think they could get away with M5.5 frame weight here and market it more towards the trail/all-mountain category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yupstate View Post
    Bass boat blue, red logo/lettering similar to the original Switchblade, 140/160mm and keeping the weight on the low side might be bang-on! Previously when they made the first Switchblade, there was no long-travel 29er for Enduro racing in the lineup so most switchblades were over 30lbs unless you had a crazy light build spec. Now with the FB29 filling that role, I think they could get away with M5.5 frame weight here and market it more towards the trail/all-mountain category.
    I don't mind a bit of weight loss, but not at the expense of burliness. Many of us larger fellows (6'4", 230#, experienced rider) like the Switchblade specifically because we know we can count on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde Ride View Post
    I don't mind a bit of weight loss, but not at the expense of burliness. Many of us larger fellows (6'4", 230#, experienced rider) like the Switchblade specifically because we know we can count on it.
    Agree x 100


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    Not sure if BIKE released all the videos at once. But so far no SB video

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    There were 23 bikes listed in the 10/1 Bikemag bible preview article linked above, and then 25 tested in the 2020 bible with videos released on youtube today. The two additional bikes not disclosed in October are the Norco Sight and Optic. So probably no new Switchblade or replacement in the 2020 bible.

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    Looks like a new Switchblade tease just posted by Pivot on Instagram

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingInMN View Post
    Looks like a new Switchblade tease just posted by Pivot on Instagram
    Not long now from what I’ve heard. Exciting times! Build the hype! Woooop woooop

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikingInMN View Post
    Looks like a new Switchblade tease just posted by Pivot on Instagram
    That's a Firebird, at least according to the #pivotfirebird on that post.
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    LOL Yeah you are right, got thrown off by the comments below it. Oh well got everybody excited again. Picture seems to be intentionally obscure so can’t tell.

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    Just to get this thread restarted...

    I recently heard a rumor regarding the new bike.

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    Pray tell.

    Meanwhile it's cherry cherry pow pow time in Tahoe!!

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    All I can say...I'll be ordering one.

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    In the latest MBR The Path podcast, Tani was announcing a multi-brand demo day the shop is having in March (I think). He said there’d be some bikes there they can’t talk about yet, and alluded to a bike brand from AZ.

    Nathan later said he’d want to try a new Pivot mid-travel 29er. To which, Tani said, “Is Pivot from AZ”?

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    So, it's going to be launched sometime around Sea Otter Classic...
    I'm waiting

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    As a point of reference, the original Switchblade was released in May '16 and the aluminum model was in April '18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    So, it's going to be launched sometime around Sea Otter Classic...
    I'm waiting
    Has Pivot ever announced a bike at a Media bike event? It seems sea otter or any other major bike event would dilute their thunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoJo View Post
    Has Pivot ever announced a bike at a Media bike event? It seems sea otter or any other major bike event would dilute their thunder.
    It's usually much smaller dealer events where they don't get lost in the hype. Great strategy by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    As a point of reference, the original Switchblade was released in May '16 and the aluminum model was in April '18.
    And with the Trail 429 released on May 2018, it is not science fiction to expect the new SB to be release around April-May. Which is sometime around Sea Otter Classic

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    There was a demo in Austin tx yesterday. Wonder if anything was there?
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    I went to a demo recently and they still had the current Switchblade. I asked the reps about a new one coming but they didn't want to say anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    I went to a demo recently and they still had the current Switchblade. I asked the reps about a new one coming but they didn't want to say anything about it.
    All my LBS is saying is that the current SB sells fine, and he does not know anything about a new SB soon.

    I think this is PIVOT's policy in order to:
    1. Maintain secrecy around the new model
    2. Allow PIVOT dealers to sell their remaining SB stock.

    I'm sure that a new SB will be launched soon, so still waiting.

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    New SB

    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    all my lbs is saying is that the current sb sells fine, and he does not know anything about a new sb soon.

    I think this is pivot's policy in order to:
    1. Maintain secrecy around the new model
    2. Allow pivot dealers to sell their remaining sb stock.

    I'm sure that a new sb will be launched soon, so still waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    feb. 5
    Based on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    Based on?
    Based on information given to me by someone with access to that, that is supposed to be protected by a confidentiality agreement. You can't expect me to throw a particular person/lbs under the bus? Colors will be different as well as travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Based on information given to me by someone with access to that, that is supposed to be protected by a confidentiality agreement. You can't expect me to throw a particular person/lbs under the bus? Colors will be different as well as travel.
    Thanks for the info moranpepe!

    I apologize if I was misunderstood. All I ment was to know if Feb 5 is based info or a rumor (because there are rumors around the new SB). I definitely had NO intention nor expectation from you to name a specific LBS or Pivot dealer/employee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    Thanks for the info moranpepe!

    I apologize if I was misunderstood. All I ment was to know if Feb 5 is based info or a rumor (because there are rumors around the new SB). I definitely had NO intention nor expectation from you to name a specific LBS or Pivot dealer/employee.

    Mo.
    No worries and I apologize if I was rude or otherwise. It is based on info.

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    Guessing they'll boost the travel a bit to close the gap with the Firebird 29. Plus, it allows them to compete with Yeti SB130 and/or SB130.

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    Check out the new Vital Raw video: Rocks vs. Bike in Arizona. Could that be it?

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    No, the bike in the video is the Trail 429 with the new colour.
    Quote Originally Posted by moranpepe View Post
    Check out the new Vital Raw video: Rocks vs. Bike in Arizona. Could that be it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    Guessing they'll boost the travel a bit to close the gap with the Firebird 29. Plus, it allows them to compete with Yeti SB130 and/or SB130.
    Rear travel is 135mm so I agree they might boost it there.
    Up front it's already 160mm so I guess they won't boost it because they already have the Firebird 29.

    Personally I hope they won't touch the rear or maybe just a bit to 140mm, along with a 150mm fork. This bike will fill the gap between the Trail 429 and Firebird 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    Rear travel is 135mm so I agree they might boost it there.
    Up front it's already 160mm so I guess they won't boost it because they already have the Firebird 29.

    Personally I hope they won't touch the rear or maybe just a bit to 140mm, along with a 150mm fork. This bike will fill the gap between the Trail 429 and Firebird 29.

    i hope you are right!

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    They need a bike to compete with the AF. 145/160. If they are smart they would offer it in an AL sub 4K price point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    They need a bike to compete with the AF. 145/160. If they are smart they would offer it in an AL sub 4K price point.
    They already offered an alloy SB, and might offer a new SB alloy too,
    in order to compete with the Ripmo AF.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-ne...inum-2018.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    They already offered an alloy SB, and might offer a new SB alloy too,
    in order to compete with the Ripmo AF.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/the-ne...inum-2018.html

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    Technically, we offered it 2 years before the Ibis model...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Technically, we offered it 2 years before the Ibis model...
    Yeah and the geo is 2 years behind the Ripmo as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    Yeah and the geo is 2 years behind the Ripmo as well.
    Assuming the Ripmo geo is the beat for most riders.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    Assuming the Ripmo geo is the beat for most riders.....


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    It will be interesting to see what comes out. My guess is something like the Ripmo. They already have the Firebird 29 for full bruising, the Trail429 for less agressive riding, so something that fills the niche of the old 5.7C would slot nicely into the lineup - 145mm rear travel, 150/160mm front, middle ground geo as far as HA and Chainstay go.

    Certainly if Pivot had that bike 18 months ago, it may have been the bike I bought, rather than the Ripmo. The Firebird was too much, the 429 too little. YMMV though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_510 View Post
    If they don't update the Switchblade to be very similar, I'll eat my hat.
    I’m guessing you’re correct. I haven’t ridden the Ripmo so I can’t compare the two. My SB fits me well so I’m hoping the geo won’t be too wonky. If not, then I save a lot of coin. The new SB will have to be pretty darn awesome for me to ante up for one.


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    PIVOT launched the new Shuttle yesterday, 160mm/F & 140mm/R.
    Could this indicate the new SB? (I hope not).

    After yesterday's launch I'm not sure that PIVOT would launch the new SB next week.
    Given that PIVOT does not update models every year like other brands do,
    I assume they would like some more spacing between yesterday's Shuttle launch and new SB launch...

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    Yesterdays new shuttle launch?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    PIVOT launched the new Shuttle yesterday, 160mm/F & 140mm/R.
    Could this indicate the new SB? (I hope not).

    After yesterday's launch I'm not sure that PIVOT would launch the new SB next week.
    Given that PIVOT does not update models every year like other brands do,
    I assume they would like some more spacing between yesterday's Shuttle launch and new SB launch...

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    Man I sure hope that they do. I need/want a midtravel 29er and already have quotes for an SB130 and a 2020 Hightower but have not pulled the trigger because of this blog. I have a SC 5010 and a Yeti SB140 so this would be my first Pivot and 29er. I do mtb trips to Co, often and all I hear is how well built these bikes are and how their frame construction is superior to Yeti and SC. If these rumors are true, me and a couple of my friends, will be stoked on new SBs. If not true, I really don't know what bike I would buy. I really like the 429 Enduro but I think I need more than 120mm.

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    Hoping for a new SB soon!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    PIVOT launched the new Shuttle yesterday, 160mm/F & 140mm/R.
    Mo
    Wait, what? Something newer that the Shuttle 29'er released last year? Or am I missing something? The "new" Shuttle is the same as the old, but with 29'er wheels and a 160m fork - same frame and electronics.

    Unless I'm missing something here and the Pivot site hasn't updated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mo6500 View Post
    PIVOT launched the new Shuttle yesterday, 160mm/F & 140mm/R.
    Could this indicate the new SB? (I hope not).

    After yesterday's launch I'm not sure that PIVOT would launch the new SB next week.
    Given that PIVOT does not update models every year like other brands do,
    I assume they would like some more spacing between yesterday's Shuttle launch and new SB launch...

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    I don't think they released a new Shuttle. They just finally did a review of it on the MTBR homepage. The current shuttle with 29 wheels released last summer.

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    What happened to the...“Wait till Tuesday, you’ll get a surprise”. post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    What happened to the...“Wait till Tuesday, you’ll get a surprise”. post?
    It's more telling when posts like that get deleted than just leaving them up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    What happened to the...“Wait till Tuesday, you’ll get a surprise”. post?
    Tuesday it is... just got an invitation for a product presentation...

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    There has been a new Switch spotted on the trails... but no official date .

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    It's an exciting week then... Superbowl tonight, new bike launch on tuesday

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    Worth the wait!

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    Link broken... Or Gone.. Perhaps jumped the gun?

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    The link works in Apple News app. Can’t find article anywhere else, but is written by Matt Phillips of Bicycling Magazine. He really likes it. “Here are the stats on the new Switchblade: 142mm rear/160mm front travel (44mm offset fork), 66-degree head angle, 75.5-degree seat tube angle, 455mm reach with a 620mm top tube (size medium), 19mm of BB drop and 346mm BB height, and 431mm chainstays. These numbers are based on the bike’s low position—switch the flip-chip, and the bike’s angles get a half-degree steeper, and the BB goes up six millimeters.“

    I did more rides on the new Switchblade, and the word that kept coming back to me was “balance.” This is the best-balanced long-travel trail bike I’ve yet ridden. A bike with the travel and modern geometry to rail descents and have rowdy funtimes, yet it climbs so well, and so capably, I don’t think any climb of any type is out of the question. The new Switchblade is a mountain bike and a hell of a mountain bike at that.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flflyer View Post
    The link works in Apple News app. Can’t find article anywhere else, but is written by Matt Phillips of Bicycling Magazine. He really likes it. “Here are the stats on the new Switchblade: 142mm rear/160mm front travel (44mm offset fork), 66-degree head angle, 75.5-degree seat tube angle, 455mm reach with a 620mm top tube (size medium), 19mm of BB drop and 346mm BB height, and 431mm chainstays. These numbers are based on the bike’s low position—switch the flip-chip, and the bike’s angles get a half-degree steeper, and the BB goes up six millimeters.“

    I did more rides on the new Switchblade, and the word that kept coming back to me was “balance.” This is the best-balanced long-travel trail bike I’ve yet ridden. A bike with the travel and modern geometry to rail descents and have rowdy funtimes, yet it climbs so well, and so capably, I don’t think any climb of any type is out of the question. The new Switchblade is a mountain bike and a hell of a mountain bike at that.”
    Well there you have it, the perfect trail bike - the Ripmo has some competition now!

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    All new Switchblade on it's way?-3f9d8ad2-bff9-4911-a085-2f01976f6011.jpg

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    A very interesting move to the vertical shock arrangement, compared to all of their bikes being horizontally mounted... Ha, to quote the ever pertinent phrase... "Looks like a Giant"

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    I think the bike looks good but linkage doesn't look as clean as the 429. hopefully it rides awesome because the look is very underwhelming just my 2cents

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    So....a Giant Reign with Pivot stickers. Like buying a Lexus that just a rebadged Toyota

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    Looks like the DW link setup from the Atherton bikes.All new Switchblade on it's way?-atherton.jpg

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    This makes me very happy... That I didn't wait and got a FB29 last Oct.

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    66° head angle in low for a bike with160mm front travel seems conservative to me. Assuming most people will be riding this in high that's really 66.5°. Was hoping for something like 65.5/65.

    Can one buy the existing SB as a frame only? Wondering if this will ever become available as a frame set?

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    Yeah, not a fan at all. Hopefullt they release new FB29 colors soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlloyd007 View Post
    This makes me very happy... That I didn't wait and got a FB29 last Oct.
    Heh heh...same.

    The ONLY thing about the new SB I like more than my FB29 is the water bottle mount inside the front triangle. Otherwise, glad I made the move to grab my FB29.

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    Will there be a frame only option ?

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    I'm sure that similar to Pivot's other 157mm axle bikes, they'll offer a frame+crankset option.

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    Too conservative for me. Good they lengthened the reach and kept Chainstays short.

    But BB is high (even in low mode) for a 140mm bike. And seat angle still pretty slack.
    I mean, my old 2017 intense primer was way lower.

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    Reminds me of the ol’ Ironhorse Sunday and Sam Hill... I dig it! Coil compatibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Too conservative for me.
    Me too. But then there's the Hightower (and others) if you want a slacker HA and lower BB in a similar platform. I'm sure it'll appeal to loads of people, smart move not just making a carbon copy of what the cool kids are doing IMO.

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    Well, it's official now...

    https://www.pivotcycles.com/en/bike-switchblade-1

    Ripmo Geo (not a bad thing in my mind) with a progressive linkage, enough to run a coil if you wish. Basically, for me, the perfect bike - ha, except that I already own a Ripmo...

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    Vital hints at bigger bike coming soon. My bet is an AF style version. Prob AL with a coil

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    checks all the boxes for me.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    ...I'm sure it'll appeal to loads of people, smart move not just making a carbon copy of what the cool kids are doing IMO.
    Like me. This is an actual "trail bike." It's not the lightest, longest, slackest...it's no Pole, Mondraker, or Unno...just a good looking bike that you can ride all day. I think the numbers look great for every day/all day riding.

    I like it. I wonder what the green would look like with camo graphics...or maybe a WWII fighter plane???

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    do we get a frameset or nah?

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    Very meh to me. Guess I'll keep waiting to see what happens with the Mach 6.
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    I don't think ANY Pivot has been available as a frameset only at Launch Day.

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    Nearly identical dimensions and weight to the FB29, but a degree steeper HT and 20mm less travel.

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    Watch the 30 min YouTube video with Chris and their enduro rider Rob Drew. I swear Rob makes the argument no reason not to ride the FB. It gives up nothing to the SB.

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    New SB seems outdated before it's launch.
    While "old" one was quite modern and progressive in it's day, this one is very conservative and "boring". Even paintwork is 'meh.

    Pricing however is outrageous - comparing it to Giant Reign for instance:

    Pivot Switchblade Race X01 - only the rear derailleur is X01, everything else is GX level with outdated Guide RE brakes and Fox Performance level Grip suspension. - 6.500€

    Giant Reign Advanced Pro 1 - Full GX gearing with better brakes (Code R), but with better damper (GRIP 2) and shock (X2) - 5.000€

    or even cheaper with the aluminium frame which probably weighs less than Switchblade's carbon:

    Giant Reign 1 - 3.700€ with same components as Pro 1.

    On the top end:

    Pivot Switchblade Team XTR - 10.150€

    Giant Reign Advanced Pro 0 - 8.500€

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    I have been wating for this bike for quite a while.
    I'm not overwhelmed, and sorry to say that I'm a little disappointed
    The new look with a vertical shock, the linkage, front travel (I wished for a 150mm but I guess that the shaft can be replaced), the color and price.

    Keep telling myself I must give it a try and demo it before deciding what's my next bike is.
    Until I can have a demo I will do my homework reading reviews and watching videos

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    I have been wating for this bike for quite a while.
    I'm not overwhelmed, and sorry to say that I'm a little disappointed
    The new look with a vertical shock, the linkage, front travel (I wished for a 150mm but I guess that the shaft can be replaced), the color and price.

    Keep telling myself I must give it a try and demo it before deciding
    which my next bike is going to be.
    Until I can have a demo I will do my homework reading reviews and
    watching videos

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    Judging the bike solely on the basis of appearance, travel numbers, HTA, and STA is silly. The soul of this bike, or any bike, is how the suspension tune and linkage design interact with those items and the rider. Until you get these bikes on the trail, you don't know much about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Watch the 30 min YouTube video with Chris and their enduro rider Rob Drew. I swear Rob makes the argument no reason not to ride the FB. It gives up nothing to the SB.
    You surely can't be claiming that the riders said the FB29 was better than the SB, because that's not what they said. They're different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarinCRO View Post
    New SB seems outdated before it's launch.
    While "old" one was quite modern and progressive in it's day, this one is very conservative and "boring". Even paintwork is 'meh.

    Pricing however is outrageous - comparing it to Giant Reign for instance:

    Pivot Switchblade Race X01 - only the rear derailleur is X01, everything else is GX level with outdated Guide RE brakes and Fox Performance level Grip suspension. - 6.500€

    Giant Reign Advanced Pro 1 - Full GX gearing with better brakes (Code R), but with better damper (GRIP 2) and shock (X2) - 5.000€

    or even cheaper with the aluminium frame which probably weighs less than Switchblade's carbon:

    Giant Reign 1 - 3.700€ with same components as Pro 1.

    On the top end:

    Pivot Switchblade Team XTR - 10.150€

    Giant Reign Advanced Pro 0 - 8.500€
    Like I said. Buying a SB over a Reign is like buying a Toyota rebadged as a Lexus just to say you drive a Lexus not a Toyota

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    Love how Pivot calls a bike w SLX components (minus one XT derailleur) a “Race XT” build. That said the bike looks solid and people will love it if it performs similar to the Ripmo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Vital hints at bigger bike coming soon. My bet is an AF style version. Prob AL with a coil
    Or a Mach 6 replacement, They have a gap between the FB and SB IMO not just in travel but in geometry.
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    I have the last gen 429 and didn’t get the current one because my 429 is a darn good bike and the current gen is somewhat close to intent to my SB. Also, I rarely ride the 429.

    My current SB is a better bike than I am rider. The new SB looks a little boring although the Ripmo is not a very pretty bike unlike the Ripley.

    Most of the manufacturers are designing good long lasting bikes and they should for the price.

    Giants are great bikes for the money, but not quite as stiff and finished as Pivot.

    I would prefer to buy just the frame set.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Like me. This is an actual "trail bike." It's not the lightest, longest, slackest...it's no Pole, Mondraker, or Unno...just a good looking bike that you can ride all day. I think the numbers look great for every day/all day riding.
    I totally agree with this sentiment. This would be a great bike for my local trails where there aren't many prolonged, high speed downhills. It's even got a reasonable bottom bracket height - out of the box I don't think I would feel the need to change anything. While I know others are disappointed that Pivot didn't chase the longer/slacker/lower trend, I for one am ecstatic to see a company that realizes that not everyone needs those types of bikes. Wish I was in the market for a bike right now - this would easily be at the top of my list.

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    The profile reminds of the Turner Sultan, which makes a lot of sense since they are both DW-link frames. The carbon execution is a lot cleaner than those aluminum frames were.

    I guess for anyone who's been waiting for something to happen with the Turner line, this is your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SqueakyWheel73 View Post
    I totally agree with this sentiment. This would be a great bike for my local trails where there aren't many prolonged, high speed downhills. It's even got a reasonable bottom bracket height - out of the box I don't think I would feel the need to change anything. While I know others are disappointed that Pivot didn't chase the longer/slacker/lower trend, I for one am ecstatic to see a company that realizes that not everyone needs those types of bikes. Wish I was in the market for a bike right now - this would easily be at the top of my list.
    Ditto. Will probably get one...


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    Yeah, I was a Turner homer for a long time and got tired of waiting for a carbon Sultan. Jumped on a Santa Cruz LTc for a couple of years and now on Switchblade since 17'. Best all around bike for me. I had envisioned that the Sultan would look like the new SB. I will ride my old SB for a long time since it is way more capable than me as I age.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buster View Post
    The profile reminds of the Turner Sultan, which makes a lot of sense since they are both DW-link frames. The carbon execution is a lot cleaner than those aluminum frames were.

    I guess for anyone who's been waiting for something to happen with the Turner line, this is your bike.

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    While this bike splits the middle between Yeti SB130 & SB150, I'd love to hear a real world comparison to SB130. The SB130 is a great trail bike that climbs and descends super well. I've always loved my Pivots and how well they pedal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    While this bike splits the middle between Yeti SB130 & SB150, I'd love to hear a real world comparison to SB130. The SB130 is a great trail bike that climbs and descends super well. I've always loved my Pivots and how well they pedal.

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    I’d like to see Vital do another bike test/comparison similar to the “5 of the best long travel 29er enduros raced” they did awhile back. Except compare...
    New Pivot Switchblade
    Evil Offering
    SC Hightower
    Transition Sentinel
    I feel like there all pretty comparable applications.

    I feel like the “Enduro” build 429 might be more comparable to the SB130 based on the numbers.

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    My son and I test rode the new SB and the Evil Offering on Tuesday. My local shop was able to get one of the bikes from the dealer demo event for a store demo. They had told me that something new might be dropped soon, so when I got the call that a demo bike was now available I drove over Tuesday morning. I drove over there having no info other than what everyone else had Tuesday.

    My son is a stronger rider than I am. He's very DH and enduro oriented. Definitely a card carrying member of the sendy set. I'm in my early 50's and been riding since the dawn of mountain biking in the 1980's. I help coach a local NEHSCA team so I'm quick, but not so sendy anymore.

    Both the bikes were size medium and felt very comfortable to us. I'll admit, I was predisposed to the EVIL. I had a build planned and was just about ready to pull the trigger. I had ridden that bike in the fall and really liked it. As you read what follows know that we didn't have a ton of time on the bikes on Tuesday and the SB had to be returned on Wednesday so where we rode wasn't the most challenging, but still fun. We rode each trail on each bike swapping back and forth. When we got to major obstacles or anything more challenging/fun we'd swap back and forth on the spot and then continue on.

    My son, being a sendy type, preferred the EVIL. It just worked better for his everyday riding style. That said, he said the SB was faster and more efficient. He said he'd would prefer to ride the SB in a NEHSCA race if he had to choose between the two.

    I started out preferring the EVIL. It felt like what I was used to. The front of the SB felt twitchy at slow speeds with the 44mm offset and I just wasn't used to it. As I rode it faster it came alive and was much more precise.

    When we got to the bigger obstacles I found that the SB was working better for me. We got to a large rock roll that I've never felt comfortable on. In the past every time I've ridden it, it's been sketchy and I do not like it. When we got to this roll I was on the SB and surprised my son by saying I was going to ride it. On the SB it was no muss-no fuss and I felt very happy about doing it. With that success under my belt I tried it on the EVIL. Short story is that it didn't work out as well. The longer offset in the fork made the roll in less precise and it returned to feeling sketchy and uncomfortable, at least for me.
    Continuing on we did a number of other obstacles and the SB just felt more composed and flat out worked better.

    To sum up, we both liked each bike. I preferred the SB and he preferred the Offering. We've both been saving for a new bike this spring and agreed that if an SB and an Offering came home either one of us could grab either bike and be happy. It's just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ipe View Post
    My son and I test rode the new SB and the Evil Offering on Tuesday. My local shop was able to get one of the bikes from the dealer demo event for a store demo. They had told me that something new might be dropped soon, so when I got the call that a demo bike was now available I drove over Tuesday morning. I drove over there having no info other than what everyone else had Tuesday.

    My son is a stronger rider than I am. He's very DH and enduro oriented. Definitely a card carrying member of the sendy set. I'm in my early 50's and been riding since the dawn of mountain biking in the 1980's. I help coach a local NEHSCA team so I'm quick, but not so sendy anymore.

    Both the bikes were size medium and felt very comfortable to us. I'll admit, I was predisposed to the EVIL. I had a build planned and was just about ready to pull the trigger. I had ridden that bike in the fall and really liked it. As you read what follows know that we didn't have a ton of time on the bikes on Tuesday and the SB had to be returned on Wednesday so where we rode wasn't the most challenging, but still fun. We rode each trail on each bike swapping back and forth. When we got to major obstacles or anything more challenging/fun we'd swap back and forth on the spot and then continue on.

    My son, being a sendy type, preferred the EVIL. It just worked better for his everyday riding style. That said, he said the SB was faster and more efficient. He said he'd would prefer to ride the SB in a NEHSCA race if he had to choose between the two.

    I started out preferring the EVIL. It felt like what I was used to. The front of the SB felt twitchy at slow speeds with the 44mm offset and I just wasn't used to it. As I rode it faster it came alive and was much more precise.

    When we got to the bigger obstacles I found that the SB was working better for me. We got to a large rock roll that I've never felt comfortable on. In the past every time I've ridden it, it's been sketchy and I do not like it. When we got to this roll I was on the SB and surprised my son by saying I was going to ride it. On the SB it was no muss-no fuss and I felt very happy about doing it. With that success under my belt I tried it on the EVIL. Short story is that it didn't work out as well. The longer offset in the fork made the roll in less precise and it returned to feeling sketchy and uncomfortable, at least for me.
    Continuing on we did a number of other obstacles and the SB just felt more composed and flat out worked better.

    To sum up, we both liked each bike. I preferred the SB and he preferred the Offering. We've both been saving for a new bike this spring and agreed that if an SB and an Offering came home either one of us could grab either bike and be happy. It's just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job.
    Did the Offering have a 140 or 150 fork? With a 150 fork the two have almost identical geo and seems like it should feel essentially the same in the handling department.

    I have both Evils and Pivots and I love how they fit similarly, but with different suspension feel. The Offering is something special. My first thought seeing the new Switchblade was that it was great that it was so similar to the Offering. There were some initial negative comments about the geo, but I figure that will come around as people ride it. Offering gets pretty universal love by the Evil crew. I bet the Switchblade ends up the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrallen View Post
    Did the Offering have a 140 or 150 fork? With a 150 fork the two have almost identical geo and seems like it should feel essentially the same in the handling department.

    I have both Evils and Pivots and I love how they fit similarly, but with different suspension feel. The Offering is something special. My first thought seeing the new Switchblade was that it was great that it was so similar to the Offering. There were some initial negative comments about the geo, but I figure that will come around as people ride it. Offering gets pretty universal love by the Evil crew. I bet the Switchblade ends up the same.
    Offering was a FOX build with a Factory 150mm GRIP2 36 installed. As I understand it, EVIL specs it with a 51mm offset vs the SB with a 44mm offset. The difference between the two was very noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrallen View Post
    I have both Evils and Pivots and I love how they fit similarly, but with different suspension feel. The Offering is something special. My first thought seeing the new Switchblade was that it was great that it was so similar to the Offering. There were some initial negative comments about the geo, but I figure that will come around as people ride it. Offering gets pretty universal love by the Evil crew. I bet the Switchblade ends up the same.

    FWIW, I agree. BOTH are awesome bikes. I would be happy with either and WAS planning on getting an offering. After riding the SB I was surprised. I didn't expect to like it as much. Short story is a person can't go wrong with either. For me though, the SB just worked better. Your mileage may vary.
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    Nope... Looks like the new Turner Trail bike that won't be made.
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    Unpopular observation: just because a bike sort of resembles another, doesn't mean it rides the same or was made in the same way (I'd LOVE to show you guys the video we show our dealers and distributors about how our bikes are made compared to the competition, but unfortunately there's too much proprietary stuff in there for public release... sigh).

    Anyway, the early reviews have been sorta positive:

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    "...really blew me away...offers confidence in spades...you’ll be stoked, pull the trigger."

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    Hi Jon, when are these landing/available in the USA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockinrod35 View Post
    Hi Jon, when are these landing/available in the USA?
    They are available now .

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    My main takes after two rides compared to the V1 Switchblade.

    ++ Rear end improved a lot (traction is )
    + Build quality is still top notch, maybe even better now
    + Looks better
    + Length (reach) of the bike seems spot on now
    + Fits a big water bottle
    - Head angle seems ok but I wish that it would be slacker by 1°
    -- Seat angle doesn't feel any steeper in reality, I even feel that it got a little slacker at my sattle hight

    I'll install a -1° angle set in a few days hopefully that will help with both (HA & SA).
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    I wonder if it would run well as a Mullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cblesius View Post
    I wonder if it would run well as a Mullet.
    If you watch the half hour video explaining the new Switchblade, Chris talks about how it would run great as a mullet bike since it has that flip chip.
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    Can anyone share what kind of shock PSI they’re needing for sag relative to body weight? I’m interested in one of these but concerned it might not be clyde friendly. I’ve never owned a DW link bike and the leverage ratio looks rather high but I know that doesn’t always tell the whole story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bliz2z View Post
    My main takes after two rides compared to the V1 Switchblade.

    ++ Rear end improved a lot (traction is )
    + Build quality is still top notch, maybe even better now
    + Looks better
    + Length (reach) of the bike seems spot on now
    + Fits a big water bottle
    - Head angle seems ok but I wish that it would be slacker by 1°
    -- Seat angle doesn't feel any steeper in reality, I even feel that it got a little slacker at my sattle hight

    I'll install a -1° angle set in a few days hopefully that will help with both (HA & SA).
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    Thank you, this was way more informative than many of the reviews that just essentially say "this is way better than the old one"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ipe View Post
    Offering was a FOX build with a Factory 150mm GRIP2 36 installed. As I understand it, EVIL specs it with a 51mm offset vs the SB with a 44mm offset. The difference between the two was very noticeable.
    Interesting. I've always found the difference between the offsets more subtle. I wonder if it was the bike rather than the offset? Glad you're loving the SB regardless. I'm going to deliberately NOT sit on the new SB. Last thing I need is another bike in the garage.

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    I'll give a quick review that might help someone...

    I'm 5'-10" with a longer torso and +2 ape. My main bike is size L Ibis Ripley V4 and I love that bike. My only gripe since day 1 is that it is a big/long feeling bike while having a tight feeling cockpit. Just doesn't do great in super low speed super tight turns.

    Went riding this weekend with a buddy not planning to demo anything, however, Pivot was having a demo day here in Florida (Alafia). We decided to grab some demo bikes and I immediately asked for the new SB. The demo crew decisively said I should ride a medium..I wasn't sure because I'm always between sizes, but decided to give a M a go.

    Positives:

    First thing I noticed was this bike fit me like a glove. Only other bike that i felt this level of fit on was a 19.5 Trek Fuel a couple years ago. Large usually is too long, and medium too small and tight, but not on this bike. Medium felt more like between a M-L.

    Suspension was set up WAY too soft for my liking, however bike pedaled great. Super efficient stable bmx type feel, not the sled type feeling that my Ripley has.

    I loved how nimble the bike was in the tight twisty stuff. I had to give no thought to switchbacks. Turned on a dime.

    Bike liked being popped off obstacles despite soft/bad (for my taste) suspension setup.

    Great climber...if seat in pealing position


    Neutral/Negative:

    Not sure if positive or negative, but bike didn't feel like it had the listed travel. It did not feel in a different league than my ripley despite having significantly more and stouter suspension. Maybe this was bad suspension setup or maybe its a good thing that the bike feels like a shorter travel bike?


    Negative:

    Our trails are punchy climbs followed by very short drops/chutes/descents, so sometimes I'll drop my seat 10-20mm for entire sections. I noticed that the front end got significantly "lighter" when the seat was not fully extended. This does not happen on my Ripley, but like I said suspension was not set up to my liking.


    Final thoughts:

    I would love to get a long term demo on this bike to set it up how I like. I was not looking for a new bike, but this bike really got me thinking. While I love my Ripley, the FUN level on this bike was higher. The "conservative" geometry actually works great on our local trails. If you got tight twisty trails that don't require a sled, throw a leg over this bike. Not everyone needs a short travel DH rig and many of us just want a fun mountain bike...this bike was exactly that.

    I love the fit of the M...actually compared the number to the 19.5 FEX, and they were VERY similar. Might be worth a shot if you think mediums are too small and larges too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorXman View Post
    I'll give a quick review that might help someone...

    I'm 5'-10" with a longer torso and +2 ape. My main bike is size L Ibis Ripley V4 and I love that bike. My only gripe since day 1 is that it is a big/long feeling bike while having a tight feeling cockpit. Just doesn't do great in super low speed super tight turns.

    Went riding this weekend with a buddy not planning to demo anything, however, Pivot was having a demo day here in Florida (Alafia). We decided to grab some demo bikes and I immediately asked for the new SB. The demo crew decisively said I should ride a medium..I wasn't sure because I'm always between sizes, but decided to give a M a go.

    Positives:

    First thing I noticed was this bike fit me like a glove. Only other bike that i felt this level of fit on was a 19.5 Trek Fuel a couple years ago. Large usually is too long, and medium too small and tight, but not on this bike. Medium felt more like between a M-L.

    Suspension was set up WAY too soft for my liking, however bike pedaled great. Super efficient stable bmx type feel, not the sled type feeling that my Ripley has.

    I loved how nimble the bike was in the tight twisty stuff. I had to give no thought to switchbacks. Turned on a dime.

    Bike liked being popped off obstacles despite soft/bad (for my taste) suspension setup.

    Great climber...if seat in pealing position


    Neutral/Negative:

    Not sure if positive or negative, but bike didn't feel like it had the listed travel. It did not feel in a different league than my ripley despite having significantly more and stouter suspension. Maybe this was bad suspension setup or maybe its a good thing that the bike feels like a shorter travel bike?


    Negative:

    Our trails are punchy climbs followed by very short drops/chutes/descents, so sometimes I'll drop my seat 10-20mm for entire sections. I noticed that the front end got significantly "lighter" when the seat was not fully extended. This does not happen on my Ripley, but like I said suspension was not set up to my liking.


    Final thoughts:

    I would love to get a long term demo on this bike to set it up how I like. I was not looking for a new bike, but this bike really got me thinking. While I love my Ripley, the FUN level on this bike was higher. The "conservative" geometry actually works great on our local trails. If you got tight twisty trails that don't require a sled, throw a leg over this bike. Not everyone needs a short travel DH rig and many of us just want a fun mountain bike...this bike was exactly that.

    I love the fit of the M...actually compared the number to the 19.5 FEX, and they were VERY similar. Might be worth a shot if you think mediums are too small and larges too long.
    Thanks for the quick review. It seems like the sizing of the pivot is better for you. The medium switchblade is 0.5” shorter in the wheel base than the large Ripley. I am guessing you would like the medium ripely better than your large and the medium Ripley would be 0.5” shorter in the wheel base then the medium pivot so maybe too small. I find wheel base to be a very important spec to how a bike turns.

    I wonder is people on the shorter side of the medium range will think the switchblade is a bit of a sled.

    I am 6’ and own a large Ripmo. When I ride a large vs XL I come away with the same commentary as you in this comparison.

    Owning both Pivot and ibis bikes I would say the ibis is a little more active and the pivots are a little more damped.

    Both are good (as in better than other brands imo) The pivots have better fit and finish and I ended up in a Ripmo due to the seat tube being slacker than I wanted on the older switchblade (I demoed both before buying). If I were buying today I would probably grab a new switchblade simply because I like the looks better (yep that is where I am at in life lol)

    The 429 would fix the issue of you feeling like your ripely is too long. It is a shorter more maneuverable bike but the ripely is super light and probably fast based on my quick demos. It would probably be worth demoing if you like 120mm bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorXman View Post
    Neutral/Negative:

    Not sure if positive or negative, but bike didn't feel like it had the listed travel. It did not feel in a different league than my ripley despite having significantly more and stouter suspension. Maybe this was bad suspension setup or maybe its a good thing that the bike feels like a shorter travel bike?

    This is almost surely due to the SUPER aggressive shock tune we're using. There's a 0.6cu in spacer in the air can that gives the bike that very progressive ramp up at the end. We specced it this way so that you can ride it very hard and not have any harsh bottom outs, but if you're finding that your sag is spot-on and you're not getting full travel, just swap to a smaller volume spacer.

    I ride pretty light/smooth (read: wimpy), so I swapped to a 0.4, and it made big difference. I imagine some of our non-dad-bod riders might benefit from a 0.2, and some of the lightest guys and gals out there may prefer no spacer at all.

    In any event, spacers are cheap and can be swapped out in 2min, so I encourage everyone to mess around with them a little until you find the best feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bliz2z View Post
    My main takes after two rides compared to the V1 Switchblade.

    ++ Rear end improved a lot (traction is )
    + Build quality is still top notch, maybe even better now
    + Looks better
    + Length (reach) of the bike seems spot on now
    + Fits a big water bottle
    - Head angle seems ok but I wish that it would be slacker by 1°
    -- Seat angle doesn't feel any steeper in reality, I even feel that it got a little slacker at my sattle hight

    I'll install a -1° angle set in a few days hopefully that will help with both (HA & SA).
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    What was wrong with V1's rear end?
    I'm much more concerned with V1's slack seat tube, so i'm a little bit disappointed to hear that it feels the same on 2020 V2

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    Quote Originally Posted by John P. View Post
    This is almost surely due to the SUPER aggressive shock tune we're using. There's a 0.6cu in spacer in the air can that gives the bike that very progressive ramp up at the end. We specced it this way so that you can ride it very hard and not have any harsh bottom outs, but if you're finding that your sag is spot-on and you're not getting full travel, just swap to a smaller volume spacer.

    I ride pretty light/smooth (read: wimpy), so I swapped to a 0.4, and it made big difference. I imagine some of our non-dad-bod riders might benefit from a 0.2, and some of the lightest guys and gals out there may prefer no spacer at all.

    In any event, spacers are cheap and can be swapped out in 2min, so I encourage everyone to mess around with them a little until you find the best feel.

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    After initially not being super stoked on this I've decided that it will be the next bike I build to pair with my Ebike. Going to pull most of the parts off my Megatower But add AXS Drivetrain and seat. The a Lyrik and Deluxe coil up front. I realize you can get a frame yet so I'll jsut buy a complete and figure out something to do with the rest of the parts. Going to use the cranks, wheels, brakes, aprt of drivetrain and the cockpit from this. Not entirely sure how the silver components will pair witht he green frame but I'm sure it will work itself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkoln View Post
    What was wrong with V1's rear end?
    I'm much more concerned with V1's slack seat tube, so i'm a little bit disappointed to hear that it feels the same on 2020 V2
    Nothing was wrong with the V1 rear. Just the V2 magically feels even better. It’s really planted and sucks up roots without slowing the bike down. Maybe a more rearward axle path?

    And yes the seat tube angle is the biggest disappointment for me as well.
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