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    Wissahickon Trail Conditions 2017

    New thread for 2017.

    Lots of rain this past weekend. Dirt is soft from the snow melt and rain, but surprising enough the wind last night dried the top surface. Give it another day and the trails should be ok.

    Just be aware of the freeze/thaw conditions. Also, curfew is still in effect due to the deer cull.

    Post up conditions or any other news.

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    Both Wiss and Belmont should be okay by this weekend (maybe sooner) with the wind and dry weather.

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    Thoughts on this weekend? It hasn't rained in a while and it's been windy
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    yeah since it shouldn't dip below freezing plus wind means it should be pretty good this weekend i'd wager. only problem would be fighting crowds if you go during peak times. 60 degree winter days bring ALL the people out. i definitely need to go get my tires dirty somewhere round here this weekend!

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    Yeah. No thank you on wiss this weekend. Every twice a year hiker will be out there with the dogs running free.

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    I may hit the trails in about 2 hours. If not, I'm doing an early morning ride tomorrow before the masses come out.

    Will post up the conditions "live" from the trail.

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    Hit the Wiss yesterday afternoon (Fri 2/17). Trails were mostly good with a few greasy spots. Started at NW Ave and rode Forbidden to Bells Mill climb and continued up and on the Yellow trail to Livezey Lane descent back to Forbidden then up and back Cresheim trail, back to Forbidden. Over covered bridge to single track back to Bells Mills and Forbidden and NW.
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    Gonna be a mad house out there today. Taking the cross bike out for some mileage on the Perky trail today then hitting Middle Run De, tomorrow

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    saturday morning was a little premature (worse than i expected; ended up bailing after riding a few REALLY greasy sections...)

    but by monday afternoon it was a glorious smooth packed ribbon... it was pure awesome yesterday afternoon!

    get some this week! we got summer conditions in february. enjoy it while it lasts.

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    Road last night in shorts/long sleeves. Is it really end of February? Hero dirt, so get some while you can.

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    Rode Belmont this past Sunday (3/12) and conditions were very nice. That said, today's winter weather will render conditions negatively for the forseeable future. Might be able to finally break out the xc skis for a few days!

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    this crust might be so thick and frozen that you might be able to ride ON TOP of this... those who have ridden philly for many moons may remember one winter where there was much more snow but contions were similar (velcro traction logs with wind drifts turned into launch ramps).... unfortunately i really have no time to ride today but i might need to sneak out for a 1/2 hour or so this afternoon just to see if this crust is so hard you can ride anywhere again.

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    The snow is dense enough to walk on the top but on every trail I walked today there were footprints everywhere. You could probably ride the golf course but the trails aren't much fun. Belmont or Pennypack might be fine though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    remember one winter where there was much more snow but contions were similar (velcro traction logs with wind drifts turned into launch ramps)....
    Not sure if it's the same year, but these shots were from 2007(?):

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    Mar17_0006 (this one shows the tracks left from actual riding)

    Coincidentally, it appears they were taken March 17th of whatever that year was. Too bad this year it's full of frozen footprints, judging by danmer's post.

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    Funny, I was just thinking about sneaking out to check it out tomorrow.

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    repo that was totally it! i was up in the houston meadows riding for a bit on and over anything in sight.

    it froze hard last night. i wasn't able to get out last night but i am definitely gonna give it a o this evening.

    once this finally thaws it is gonna suck for a good bit!

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    Yup, all this snow is going to melt into the top layer of soil and total eff up the riding for a while.

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    I rode on my fatbike Wednesday afternoon in SE PA (not Wiss) and was able to float for about 90% of the time. The other 10% was crappy, with my rear tire breaking through the crust or at least cracking it enough to steal momentum. I'm sure my skinny tire bike would have broken through more often.
    April is just around the corner and many of the trees around here have started budding already. Assuming this cold snap hasn't f-ed them up they should start sucking moisture out of the ground soon.

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    it was too soft by last night. saw pictures and got reports of epic fun had yesterday morning and this morning.

    anyone know the current condition of forbidden drive (3/17)? I gotta go somewhere after work and would like to ride my bike. Only good way to get there is forbidden from VGI down to Lincoln Dr. i am worried this melting will lead to long stretches of smooth unrideable ice on the drive... mud is no problem; my bike has f3enders but not studded tires so i just need to be able to ride (walking would take too long). anyone been down there yesterday or today???

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    Think it's dried enough to ride today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Think it's dried enough to ride today?
    Crossbow looked fine yesterday afternoon so you should be good to go.

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    Yea I went out yesterday fully expecting to ride up and down Forbidden, but the trails were actually in pretty good shape. Couple soft spots, but definitely rideable. Should be even better today, I am going to sneak out for an after work ride. More rain coming this week I think though.

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    The only real problem spot yesterday was the low-lying spot on Cresheim right by Germantown, after the wood bridge if you're heading towards Germantown. It was completely submerged under inches of water. Otherwise, even the new trail there was OK. I can't speak for the Meadows personally, but I read elsewhere that even that section was OK.

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    rode roxy side and other side of lincoln yesterday. trails were great except the couple puddle areas from all the people who couldn't wait and rode saturday. definitely seems like the plants are starting to do there thing and ride times after rains can be reduced a little. you should still wait at least 24 hours after a ridiculous rain like we had friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepoMan2112 View Post
    The only real problem spot yesterday was the low-lying spot on Cresheim right by Germantown, after the wood bridge if you're heading towards Germantown. It was completely submerged under inches of water. Otherwise, even the new trail there was OK. I can't speak for the Meadows personally, but I read elsewhere that even that section was OK.
    I'm sure you've noticed it but there is trail running along the creek that avoids the submerged section of the Cresheim Trail.

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    Rode Wednesday. The trails where great (granted today changed that). Avoided creheim area.

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    remember 99% of cresheim is fine it is just one low trail all the way out at germantown that is muddy. no need to avioid all the cresheim stuff. that spot is easy to get around or avoid all together.

    this weekend looks like a great one for getting the tires dirty!

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    Trails were fine this weekend and should be great this week with the weather looking the way it is.

    Lost gloves: if you lost a pair of Fox full finger gloves recently and parked at the Wise's Mill side VGI lot and think you may have left them on top of your car, they were midway up Wise's Mill by the big white house on the hill lying in the gutter. They're hanging from the fence near that house's driveway.

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    Anyone know when the gorgas project will be complete and the trail opened again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrox View Post
    Anyone know when the gorgas project will be complete and the trail opened again?
    I've been going down the gravel road and down to forbidden at the "closed trail ahead" sign on the path leading from pachella but from the strava data it looks like most people are still riding it.

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    yeah looks like it is nearing completion???

    what i do is ride to the top and look down to see if anyone is working. if they are; use the bypass, if not play through. it is very easy to ride through and that is what most folks are doing. I am sure it annoys the hell out of the crews when they are working so i just try to be polite and avoid it if there is work being done.

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    Yea that makes sense. I might just wait anyway. On another note I saw what i believe to have been a rabid racoon at the creshim crossing on Saturday. He was emaciated and was stumbling around in broad daylight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    yeah looks like it is nearing completion???

    what i do is ride to the top and look down to see if anyone is working. if they are; use the bypass, if not play through. it is very easy to ride through and that is what most folks are doing. I am sure it annoys the hell out of the crews when they are working so i just try to be polite and avoid it if there is work being done.
    That's exactly what I did the other day. I came through there about 4:30 and no one was there working, so I proceeded. It seems if they really wanted to keep everyone out, they would have more of a blockade up instead of just signs you can ride around. The last I saw on the FOW site was the work was to be completed fall 2016.

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    There's still equipment there but they don't have the "guard" there turning people away anymore. I think its OK to ride through.

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    I usually ride through, but if there are workmen there, I do double back and use the bypass. I haven't seen work men there in months. Although it does seem like they have been doing some planting of new trees. Which would seem to indicate to me that they are at least very close to finished.

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    I was coming down the trail above the devils pool trail from valley green road on friday and I guess i never realized that everyone hanging out can see you. When we were going to the water fountain this miserable old man said "dont waste your time, they will crash and its really funny to see". We weren't even going fast. I slowed to less than 5mph to go by some hikers then moto whipped the next bump before coming to a complete stop in the gravel before the road. I always try to be as friendly as possible but the hiker- biker interactions at the wiss are the worst ive ever encountered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbikemax View Post
    I always try to be as friendly as possible but the hiker- biker interactions at the wiss are the worst ive ever encountered.

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    bring a bad attitude and they get even worse...

    sorry to be rude but you just had a bad day and now you are jumping to conclusions....

    people in the wiss are no more rude than anywhere else. it is an east coast city so you won't get much false flattery but i ride all the time and can't remember the last negative interaction i had. if you go into each trail encounter with a big smile you are pretty unlikely to get anything less back in my experience. if you do encounter a random dick; feel sympathy for them; it must be horrible to not even have a good time when your out in the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    bring a bad attitude and they get even worse...

    sorry to be rude but you just had a bad day and now you are jumping to conclusions....

    people in the wiss are no more rude than anywhere else. it is an east coast city so you won't get much false flattery but i ride all the time and can't remember the last negative interaction i had. if you go into each trail encounter with a big smile you are pretty unlikely to get anything less back in my experience. if you do encounter a random dick; feel sympathy for them; it must be horrible to not even have a good time when your out in the park.
    Come on Max-a-mill, you just have that extra thick skin from being a Philly resident and riding there for so many years. I do like your last sentence a lot though.

    I lived in Rox for almost 14 years and rode the park an average of 3-4 days a week, not including days I would trail run. I moved out to the western burbs 3 years ago and predominately ride Harmony Hill and French Creek. I can say with the experience of living and riding the Wiss for so many years and now out in the burbs, Mountainbike Max is correct. You don't get the stink eye, the uncontrolled dogs, rude comments and flat out vitriol of the hikers/walkers in the Wiss have toward mountain bikers, anywhere else. I don't miss the unleashed pit bulls, angry dykes on the Chestnut Hill side, weird serial killer looking guys that live in the park in the summer, the Guy's bike's group ride, stravatards and douchey hikers.

    Out in HH or FC, they all smile, say good day, move over and yield to you (More than once, I've stopped and said, i'm supposed to yield to you and they say "its easier for me to yield, I'm not on a bike and don't want to slow you down"). The attitude is totally different and non-confrontational.

    Even so, I miss riding the Wiss so much: the convenience, the trails, maybe even some of the characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justriding View Post
    angry dykes on the Chestnut Hill side,
    The pair with the mean ass giant black standard poodle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ridenfish39 View Post
    The pair with the mean ass giant black standard poodle?
    hahaha. Yes. They are infamous to the Wiss mountain bike community.
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    Yea the benefits of the wiss far outweigh this small inconvenience which os why i still keep coming back. I usually try to go early morning or late evening on weekends or during the early afternoon on weekdays to avoid the crowds anyway. Im just comparing my experiences over the last 4 years of riding at the wiss compared to white clay, six mile, fair hill and local places in south jersey. I just cant believe someone would hope i would crash and get hurt. The only thing i ride that i ever feel like other traffic is the limiting factor of my speed (and not my endurance) is the "horse trail" segment because its truly single track and has some blind turns over 20mph if you let it ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justriding View Post
    hahaha. Yes. They are infamous to the Wiss mountain bike community.
    I had it out with them once. Called them every curse word including one that begins with c.
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    I have really been improving on my climbing. I got up the wises road climb and crushed my friends up it, got off my bike just past the trail and sat down to catch my breath. I looked to my left and saw a used needle a foot from me! It really freaked me out. I jumped up and saw that there was a whole case of them, probably 50 or so. That's Philly for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbikemax View Post
    I have really been improving on my climbing. I got up the wises road climb and crushed my friends up it, got off my bike just past the trail and sat down to catch my breath. I looked to my left and saw a used needle a foot from me! It really freaked me out. I jumped up and saw that there was a whole case of them, probably 50 or so. That's Philly for you!
    cup 1/2 full people... aside from that; i bet you also had a great mtb adventure in a major east coast city!

    sure there are some weirdos and some "city" elements to our riding most don't have to deal with BUT don't ever take what we have for granted.

    that being said; if you ever see anything like that that needs cleaning up or a closer look by someone with a badge don't hesitate to call the local police (district 5 215-686-3050 on the roxy side; district 14 215-686-3140 on the germantown side) or put in a complaint via 311.

    i have found a couple cars still smoldering over at belmont and know folks who have found much worse... luckily that was all years ago and ALL the parks are getting much more traffic these days which seems to mitigate shady behavior almost better than anything else. We are making the city safer by riding bikes in places most folks don't go.

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    Absolutely! It takes me 45 mins to get to where I park but compared to anywhere else I would ride it is the best. I am having so much fun out there this year now that I can clean almost everything I ride. Still bail sometimes on the climb up to both the statues coming clockwise and the monster. Also the rock garden at the intersection up to the meadow (mother?) gives me trouble on my HT. Love this place and as soon as my schedule frees up next week I'm going to start coming out to trail days with FOW once or twice a month. As for the needles I took a picture yesterday and I will contact the Roxy PD and let them know. It just freaked me out because I was so close to sitting on a stray one.

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    sometimes we need a little community policing... keeping the trail from getting nerfed is pretty simple...

    if you can nip it in the bud; it just requires subtle nudges to keep people on trail:
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    sometimes though; cheater lines get established fast and hard and only some serious persuasion will keep people from reopening them.
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    i am happy to notice i am not the only one fighting the good fight and i wanna thank all you other folks out there keeping the dummies out there from dumbing life down.

    oh mtbmax - i saw some needles right where you were talkin about; but on the other side of the road (in the gutter). my guess is that is somebody's spot to pull off the road and boot up. leaving needles sure is gross but i am guessing that person has MUCH bigger problems...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justriding View Post
    Come on Max-a-mill, you just have that extra thick skin from being a Philly resident and riding there for so many years. I do like your last sentence a lot though.

    I lived in Rox for almost 14 years and rode the park an average of 3-4 days a week, not including days I would trail run. I moved out to the western burbs 3 years ago and predominately ride Harmony Hill and French Creek. I can say with the experience of living and riding the Wiss for so many years and now out in the burbs, Mountainbike Max is correct. You don't get the stink eye, the uncontrolled dogs, rude comments and flat out vitriol of the hikers/walkers in the Wiss have toward mountain bikers, anywhere else. I don't miss the unleashed pit bulls, angry dykes on the Chestnut Hill side, weird serial killer looking guys that live in the park in the summer, the Guy's bike's group ride, stravatards and douchey hikers.

    Out in HH or FC, they all smile, say good day, move over and yield to you (More than once, I've stopped and said, i'm supposed to yield to you and they say "its easier for me to yield, I'm not on a bike and don't want to slow you down"). The attitude is totally different and non-confrontational.

    Even so, I miss riding the Wiss so much: the convenience, the trails, maybe even some of the characters.
    have to concur w most of this. ride wiss and FC often and the folk I encounter in each really are for the most part as described. of course it generalisation but its there.

    I always just look at like its just a small cross to bare for city riding. 1/2 full view that there is such amazing riding in the city in the first place. FC is a much better peaceful friendly vibe IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhamss View Post
    have to concur w most of this. ride wiss and FC often and the folk I encounter in each really are for the most part as described. of course it generalisation but its there.

    I always just look at like its just a small cross to bare for city riding. 1/2 full view that there is such amazing riding in the city in the first place. FC is a much better peaceful friendly vibe IMO

    Harmony Hill is pretty darn fun place to ride as is Marsh Creek which is right near it for the most part.

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    how many miles can you get in at HH? I have rode MC it was fun but also felt a little short on miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhamss View Post
    how many miles can you get in at HH? I have rode MC it was fun but also felt a little short on miles.
    It is fairly short but there are sections where it makes it easy to run laps or do the sections in reverse.

    I can get 8-9 miles in at marsh creek but obviously still not as much as wiss.

    Honestly if you want more miles hit marsh creek then drive over to harmony hill. That might suit ur needs and then grab a beer at victory or levante afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justriding View Post
    hahaha. Yes. They are infamous to the Wiss mountain bike community.
    How bout the lady that has the dog walking (or training) business? She's usually near the indian weekday afternoons with at least a dozen dogs. Most off leash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    ... a little community policing... subtle nudges to keep people on trail ... some serious persuasion ... fighting the good fight ... keeping the dummies out there from dumbing life down.
    Another way to describe this is unauthorized trail modification. Many of the features you are constructing along the trail are dangerous to trail users, especially young/inexperienced riders. You should find a more productive outlet for your righteous anger, Max. Unauthorized trail modifications in the Wiss tend to get removed quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Another way to describe this is unauthorized trail modification. Many of the features you are constructing along the trail are dangerous to trail users, especially young/inexperienced riders. You should find a more productive outlet for your righteous anger, Max. Unauthorized trail modifications in the Wiss tend to get removed quickly.
    He's not making modifications to the trail. He is preserving the path of the original trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Another way to describe this is unauthorized trail modification. Many of the features you are constructing along the trail are dangerous to trail users, especially young/inexperienced riders. You should find a more productive outlet for your righteous anger, Max. Unauthorized trail modifications in the Wiss tend to get removed quickly.
    What are you babbling about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Another way to describe this is unauthorized trail modification. Many of the features you are constructing along the trail are dangerous to trail users, especially young/inexperienced riders. You should find a more productive outlet for your righteous anger, Max. Unauthorized trail modifications in the Wiss tend to get removed quickly.
    oldman bike; those are not sweet jumps; i was closing new shortcuts people are created that widen the trail uselessly. happy to report those cheater lines have stayed closed for now.

    the post had pictures that showed the work but they disappeared... WTF? anyone know why the attachments would stop showing up in the post?

    the wiss was riding great last night btw! get your poision ivy shots it is gettin thick!!!!

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    There are tons of activities on tap for Love your Park week, starting with Alpe d'Jawn at the Belmont Plateau this evening at 6:30, trail days at Belmont, Philly Pump Track and Wiss on Saturday Morning and PumpJam & swap meet at the Philly Pumptrack, Saturday afternoon. Lots of news too: Philly Pumptrack won their grant, the first round of vendors and activities have been announced for the Philly MTB Phestival and the Summit Avenue bypass at the Wiss has been given the green light, with the possibility of a Mountain bike only spur!

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    Just got one of my frequent emails from the FOWbot and it made a point to note that the gorgas section of trail is still closed. Anyone know whats up with this? I am sure that 90+ percent of people here are riding that section, hiking that section, running, you name it. Seems like all the planting is done and nothing new has been done there in months? What gives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash216 View Post
    Just got one of my frequent emails from the FOWbot and it made a point to note that the gorgas section of trail is still closed. Anyone know whats up with this? I am sure that 90+ percent of people here are riding that section, hiking that section, running, you name it. Seems like all the planting is done and nothing new has been done there in months? What gives?
    Iirc, the water department hasn't fully completed their work and once they're done, there will be a lot more work fixing that troad they made leading south from the creek, but that's not likely to happen until after Summit is done. I'll inquire about it on Saturday and report back. DanMer may have an answer sooner.

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    I'm not sure what is left to do on the project. Dave Dannenberg and I looked at the troad south of Gorgas and made the determination that FOW should restore the trail instead of the contractor. Reconstruction will likely involve use of an excavator to place rocks and install water control features. Our volunteers don't have much experience using a excavators so this will be a project for a professional trail builder. Not sure of the timing but is unlikely to occur before fall.

    Peg Shaw, the FOW project manager, will be at the work day this Saturday and we can ask for more details about when the contractor will be done.

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    I saw someone comment on FB yesterday that the signs were gone from the FD entrance to the Gorgas road.

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    Spoke to FoW project managers over the weekend: they say that the bulk of the work is essentially finished, but they're waiting on the contractors to return to wrap up details. That was supposed to happen several weeks ago, but hasn't happened yet, nor are they sure when the contractors will return, particularly to finish the ascent on the south side of the creek. They've cautioned that the trails remain closed, but there's no reason why someone shouldn't ride them. Have at it, be be aware of the potential of encountering a work crew, especially Monday-Friday.

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    What tires do you guys run for riding the Wiss? I ride the Wiss the most but also go to White Clay, Brandywine, Ceres and other local places. I have a Trail Bike and have a few different options to work with. I have a new Ardent 2.25" EXO but it does not say tubeless ready so according to the Maxxis site it is a single compound. I just got a 2.3" High Roller 2 3c EXO TR and then I have a 2.4" Conti Trail king that came on my bike. I was thinking the best combo was running the HR front and the ardent rear but I am not sure If the ardent will setup tubeless on my Stans Arch rims. Right now I am running the Trail king front and ardent with a tube in the back. It feels faster than it did with 2 trail kings but I can definitely notice the decrease in tire width in the back.

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    I have used Hans Dampf 2.35s extensively at the wiss. Right now I have one of those on the front and an Ardent 2.4 on the back presently... both tubeless.

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    I'm now running an addix "soft" Hans on the front and an ikon rear. Both 2.3. Awesome combo. The HD is faster than the trail boss I've been using.

    Conditions are pretty good today. Just a few small mud spots. Get out tonight if you can, before it rains again for 3 days.

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    don't you folks wear those schwalbes out at an alarming rate?

    i haven't ridden am since going +size BUT in past years i'd destroy a rear schwalbe in a month or two of normal riding.

    in my experience maxxis/bontrager/specialized tires seem to last at least 5x as long and don't give up much if anything in performance... i did like the schwalbes but determined i could not afford to keep running em...

    that said i weigh 220 on a good day. i do know smaller folks who can run them without tearing em up quite as quick but they do seem to wear MUCH quicker than most tires out there; which is probably why the work so well.

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    I have worn out schwalbes faster than spech or maxxis tires, but if I get a deal I'll buy em. The hans I just installed found its way to me for 40. I certainly wouldn't pay 90 for it. But it's definitely the best front tire I've ever used. I rode again this morning at marsh creek and was amazed again.
    The hans is also cool in the sense that it looks like a freakin moto tire but I'm finding that it rolls pretty damn well. Much better than I anticipated.

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    I have been riding the ardent 2.25 rear and trail king 2.4(huge) front and have been loving the combo. Much faster than 2 tks but just as much grip

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbikemax View Post
    I have been riding the ardent 2.25 rear and trail king 2.4(huge) front and have been loving the combo. Much faster than 2 tks but just as much grip

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    Shwalbes don't seem to wear out any faster than other tires to me. The Maxxis I had on the rear seemed pretty similar. Its possible that I just run tires longer than I should and ware the shit out of them though. On the Dampfs, you can get two different compounds also... one wears faster but has better traction.

    Just put 2.6 nobby nics on and first ride out put a screw through the rear tire. Not happy about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash216 View Post
    Shwalbes don't seem to wear out any faster than other tires to me. The Maxxis I had on the rear seemed pretty similar. Its possible that I just run tires longer than I should and ware the shit out of them though. On the Dampfs, you can get two different compounds also... one wears faster but has better traction.

    Just put 2.6 nobby nics on and first ride out put a screw through the rear tire. Not happy about that.
    Ouch. Besides the screw how did the NN 2.6 ride? I'm looking to put one up front.


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    Just put 2.6 nobby nics on and first ride out put a screw through the rear tire. Not happy about that.
    so long as the screw didn't leave a large gash you might be able to fix it with a plug... i almost tried to plug my first hole the other day but decided the tire wasn't worth saving.

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    so long as the screw didn't leave a large gash you might be able to fix it with a plug... i almost tried to plug my first hole the other day but decided the tire wasn't worth saving. i
    I'm not about plugging holes......too much sweat and tears

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    I'm not about plugging holes......too much sweat and tears
    and i am not about throwing away an 80 dollar tire if i can still get some life out of it...

    if your doing it at home and you are sweating and tearing up maybe assess your technique... i find cold beer keeps me cool and happy through my bike maintenence.

    for trailside repairs if stans is still spewing out after i shake it around i just throw in a tube and carry on. i don't carry plugs with me; but have a friend who does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbikemax View Post
    I'm not about plugging holes......too much sweat and tears

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    Where is this trail at? I have never been there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootdipp View Post
    Where is this trail at? I have never been there.
    You mean the Wiss in general?

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Va...9!4d-75.218162

    The trails are also on streetview now, so you can drop the streetview guy on a trail to see what it looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootdipp View Post
    Where is this trail at? I have never been there.
    https://www.trailforks.com/region/wi...n-valley-park/

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    Hi all. I was at the Wiss for the first time in a long time this weekend, mostly to check out some new trails I heard about. Since I'm coming back from back surgery, I kept it light but, for the most part, the "newest" trail I tried was right off of the climb to Summit and it was fantastic. I'm just wondering if anyone has created a list of anything new within the past year or so. I bailed to Forbidden rather than go all the way down to the hermit cave so, I don't know if that's been worked on. I've already been on the new stuff on the other side of the creek, south of Kitchens. Anyway, I don't know that any of this is on any maps yet. TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorth2 View Post
    Hi all. I was at the Wiss for the first time in a long time this weekend, mostly to check out some new trails I heard about. Since I'm coming back from back surgery, I kept it light but, for the most part, the "newest" trail I tried was right off of the climb to Summit and it was fantastic. I'm just wondering if anyone has created a list of anything new within the past year or so. I bailed to Forbidden rather than go all the way down to the hermit cave so, I don't know if that's been worked on. I've already been on the new stuff on the other side of the creek, south of Kitchens. Anyway, I don't know that any of this is on any maps yet. TIA.
    New thang south of pachella fields is pretty awesome. It's the decent down to gorgas

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbikemax View Post
    New thang south of pachella fields is pretty awesome. It's the decent down to gorgas

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    Looks like I did that. Agreed.

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    What about the creshim loop ccw? That's all I can really think of. My other favorites are still the meadows training loop (cw), the kitchens decent, the reroute after kitchens going north, the real downhill and then sketchy aide trail and poop chute

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    Are those all Strava segments? I'll look. I don't think I remember a reroute after Kitchens the last time I did it.

    Edit: I'm looking at a buddy's (he's really strong IMO) ride. He did Kitchen's Downhill (2014 update), I don't see the reroute after Kitchens going north. It looks like I haven't tried the Cresheim stuff at all.

    For reference:
    My last big Wiss ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/528334392
    My ride Sunday morning: https://www.strava.com/activities/1200130510

    My friend's last ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/1197800296
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    There is a relatively new section on the Cresheim Trail that ends right at the SEPTA bridge and begins at the rock outcropping with the bench on top. It's a fun little section. It only rides well in one direction so start at the rock outcropping.

    Other than the sections you mentioned there isn't anything else new. There will be some more new trails near Summit in the fall. And perhaps the troad south of the concrete bridge over Gorgas Run will be turned back into a trail.

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    The Kitchen's reroute mentioned (going north) replaced this section:

    https://youtu.be/_SHEd-_C1O0?list=PL...34E4AD1D&t=121

    It was the section with the roots and the large piece of lumber parallel with the trail you can see in the video. Now it's the flowy little trail that winds up by the little pond (winds up basically in the same place as the old one, just gets there from a higher route on the slope.

    Actually here's an even better reference: https://youtu.be/x9ZwJbIy25U?list=PL...34E4AD1D&t=223 You get to see it really close up and personal

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorth2 View Post
    Are those all Strava segments? I'll look. I don't think I remember a reroute after Kitchens the last time I did it.

    Edit: I'm looking at a buddy's (he's really strong IMO) ride. He did Kitchen's Downhill (2014 update), I don't see the reroute after Kitchens going north. It looks like I haven't tried the Cresheim stuff at all.

    For reference:
    My last big Wiss ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/528334392
    My ride Sunday morning: https://www.strava.com/activities/1200130510

    My friend's last ride: https://www.strava.com/activities/1197800296
    Your friend got all of the new Cresheim stuff. There is a new horse/hiker trail just north of Monastery Stables. Part of it was open to bikes for a couple of weeks in the spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannmer View Post
    Your friend got all of the new Cresheim stuff. There is a new horse/hiker trail just north of Monastery Stables. Part of it was open to bikes for a couple of weeks in the spring.
    What I'm talking about after kitchens decent from the hortter climb through the parking lot then the fun flow before my airy gravel up by the pond

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannmer View Post
    ...And perhaps the troad south of the concrete bridge over Gorgas Run will be turned back into a trail.
    Dan, does that mean the gravel access will be "replaced" with an actual trail from the bridge down to Forbidden? Quite a project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWhiteCD View Post
    Dan, does that mean the gravel access will be "replaced" with an actual trail from the bridge down to Forbidden? Quite a project.
    No. I'm talking about the section of the Yellow Trail that is south of Gorgas that got turned into a road during the recent stream bank restoration project. Not sure it is on the list of projects for this fall. I can check though.

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    I rode Sunday morning and the trails were so dusty and loose. It was perfect riding weather.

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    Crazy how dusty all the trails in the region are right now.

    I'm digging the Summit re-route. That was a nice way to get us off the street and add new trail. And nothing cool was taken away in the process! Ha. It's still loose in spots and lumpy. Get out there and break it in people.
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    there's lots more new trail coming around summit soon thanks to the hard work of the folks at FOW. stay tuned; i bet you'll like it!

    it is so dry that i was at french creek very recently and there was NO water at the bottom of red/white. don't think i have ever been down there when it was competely dry. without all the soft spots french creek was, dare i say, riding pretty quick...

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    I've never been to French creek. But I've ridden white clay before. It's supposed to rain Sunday coming until next Tuesday. I'm not happy about it since I have off Monday and Tuesday and wanted to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    there's lots more new trail coming around summit soon thanks to the hard work of the folks at FOW. stay tuned; i bet you'll like it!
    ...
    If anyone is interested in getting involved, a group of FOW volunteers meets every Saturday morning at 9 at the entrance to the new Trail off of the gravel troad. We will be starting the other side of the creek in a few weeks, but in the mean time, weve got tons of stone work to do on the decent to the creek, which we need to have done before we move to the other side.

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    Anyone riding today? Looking to the hit the trails tomorrow, but wanted to make sure that it's dry enough out there.

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    10-16 - hasn't rained too much conditions should be good and were probably nice yesterday afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    10-16 - hasn't rained too much conditions should be good and were probably nice yesterday afternoon.
    Yeah, I was on the yellow trail around 2pm. It was relatively dry and the small amount of moisture made for some nicely packed, fast dirt.

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    the wiss is FAST FAST right now...

    i am taking the day off work tomorrow off to go do a long two park ride (just posting here in case anyone wants to join). i ride kinda quick but i have all day so i'd gladly wait for someone a little slower (or try to keep up if you're in better shape).

    gonna do a side of wiss and then try to hit most all of belmont and then come back home via wiss. probably starting around 8:30 from the north of the park... getting to belmont around 10:30-11?

    if anyone is interested shoot me a PM. could also easily just meet for the belmont part if you don't have all day or feel like riding all 25-30 miles. if you don't know belmont i will gladly show you around but be ready for some technical trail riding and LOTS of log hopping.

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    Hittin it later today. Woot!

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    was out today. great conditions. looks like the summit reroute is near its final plan. looks like the original summit to wises downhill is no longer there and rerouted back around making another loop. so it can be ridden as a shortcut over to wises or the additional loop can be ridden in. pretty cool. also looked like they are doing some construction under the walnut street bridge near the golf course. there was a sign saying trail closed at the top of janet gravel. I rode in just to see what was going on but when you get to where it goes under the bridge it is completely blocked off and there was some heavy machinery under the bridge. I turned around and went around via forbidden. trails rode great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony110672 View Post
    was out today. great conditions. looks like the summit reroute is near its final plan. looks like the original summit to wises downhill is no longer there and rerouted back around making another loop. so it can be ridden as a shortcut over to wises or the additional loop can be ridden in. pretty cool. also looked like they are doing some construction under the walnut street bridge near the golf course. there was a sign saying trail closed at the top of janet gravel. I rode in just to see what was going on but when you get to where it goes under the bridge it is completely blocked off and there was some heavy machinery under the bridge. I turned around and went around via forbidden. trails rode great.
    That dh to the bridge was pretty unsustainable and prone to erosion and had to be taken out, unfortunately; it also had pretty poor sight lines and a high potential for user conflict. We put in the bonus loop to give local access to residents at Henry on the Park and Summit Av; we hope to put the finishing touches on it in the spring and add some some technical features to make it more interesting to cyclists and hikers. We also hope to get the bike spur going in the spring, too.

    The Yellow Trail by Walnut Lane will probably be closed for most of the winter: https://www.fow.org/yellow-trail-closure-2017/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    That dh to the bridge was pretty unsustainable and prone to erosion and had to be taken out, unfortunately; it also had pretty poor sight lines and a high potential for user conflict. We put in the bonus loop to give local access to residents at Henry on the Park and Summit Av; we hope to put the finishing touches on it in the spring and add some some technical features to make it more interesting to cyclists and hikers. We also hope to get the bike spur going in the spring, too.

    The Yellow Trail by Walnut Lane will probably be closed for most of the winter: https://www.fow.org/yellow-trail-closure-2017/
    yeah I liked the new summit alot. flows alot better. thanks for the info on the walnut street bridge construction. will be back out sunday
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    Sorry, this is driving me nuts:

    Walnut Street Bridge crosses the Schuylkill: https://bridgehunter.com/photos/17/24/172487-L.jpg

    Walnut Lane Bridge carries a totally different road across the Wissahickon: https://cdn.patch.com/users/22845579...da7f5a843f.jpg

    Walnut Lane Memorial Bridge, about half a mile east of Walnut Lange Bridge, crosses a tributary:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...cropped%29.jpg

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    Considering we are talking about the wiss i think we all know what bridge he was talking about.

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    So the walnut street memorial bridge is closed where the trail goes over it?

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    So the trail is closed where the walnut street bridge goes over it?

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    fixed your question... and yes i think so; but on the roxborough side only. I'll go check it out this weekend fer sure.

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    Some tips for riding out the Freeze/Thaw cycles:

    Winter MTB Riding in Philly: Mud, Freeze Thaw Cycles and Cat-Ass Conditions

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    Gigantic - well written piece!

    Much better than my usual grumpy old man "STAY OF MY LAWN" approach from years past!

    It is that time of year kids. Please show some respect.

    Anyone interested in some car free fun on the bike that doesn't involve trashing trails should go check out the laurel cemetary. right next to the wiss; tons of good climbing and completely paved and 99.9% car free so you can ride safely anytime you wish. i usually do a couple laps warm up laps in there on the road bike before connecting it to the cynwyd trail (to get there from manayunk; you cross that new weird gated bridge they just opened). I am surprised i don't see more bikes in there which is why i am giving all of you a heads up. i am gonna guess the perimeter loop is like 1-2 miles?? zillions of STEEP hills and options for riding through the middle. VERY PEACEFUL

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    Gigantic - well written piece!

    Much better than my usual grumpy old man "STAY OF MY LAWN" approach from years past!

    It is that time of year kids. Please show some respect.

    Anyone interested in some car free fun on the bike that doesn't involve trashing trails should go check out the laurel cemetary. right next to the wiss; tons of good climbing and completely paved and 99.9% car free so you can ride safely anytime you wish. i usually do a couple laps warm up laps in there on the road bike before connecting it to the cynwyd trail (to get there from manayunk; you cross that new weird gated bridge they just opened). I am surprised i don't see more bikes in there which is why i am giving all of you a heads up. i am gonna guess the perimeter loop is like 1-2 miles?? zillions of STEEP hills and options for riding through the middle. VERY PEACEFUL
    Ha, this is great! I am going to do this the next time I go out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    Gigantic - well written piece!

    Much better than my usual grumpy old man "STAY OF MY LAWN" approach from years past!

    It is that time of year kids. Please show some respect.

    Anyone interested in some car free fun on the bike that doesn't involve trashing trails should go check out the laurel cemetary. right next to the wiss; tons of good climbing and completely paved and 99.9% car free so you can ride safely anytime you wish. i usually do a couple laps warm up laps in there on the road bike before connecting it to the cynwyd trail (to get there from manayunk; you cross that new weird gated bridge they just opened). I am surprised i don't see more bikes in there which is why i am giving all of you a heads up. i am gonna guess the perimeter loop is like 1-2 miles?? zillions of STEEP hills and options for riding through the middle. VERY PEACEFUL
    I'm hoping it works better than internet shaming...

    I'm gonna check out LH next time i go out; I've never ridden through there, although I've routed my 32 mile urban gravel ride through West Laurel Hill in years past. Thanks for the tip!

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    I was surprised to find that the trails were a complete mess on Sunday. I know, I know... but it hadn't rained for a week and I didn't realized how much snow melt had occurred during the "heat" wave. I was hoping that it would dry out as I got some elevation, but no dice and I promptly left out of respect for the trail work that has been done.

    In any case, should I just assume that it will continue to be muddy for the next 2 months and avoid going? Are there any trail reports I can check so that I don't spend time driving out there from South Philly only to find out that I have to turnaround?

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    hey and i have been corrected; i am talking about WEST laurel hill cemetery.

    Laurel Hill cemetery is the one off kelly dr. Also explorable but not as big and harder to actually find some loopy type loops in.

    Sounds like this weekend will be prime for more time out on the roads. Everyone will be tempted with the warm weather but i highly doubt it will be good to go yet....

    people who want road options near philly should definitely get familiar with gladwyne too (it's where i go after the cemetary to do hills till i die and limp home usually). between 23 and the river are some nice long low traffic hills. between 23 and montgomery are a few other nice roads; but the picking is slimmer. getting there is definitely road riding but once you get into the area the traffic is pretty mellow and there are usually a few other bikes out. lifestyles of the rich and famous out there!

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    Is it a mess right now? It's been pretty cold last few days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FasterSoonerNow View Post
    Are there any trail reports I can check so that I don't spend time driving out there from South Philly only to find out that I have to turnaround?
    you can ask here!

    if you look at facebook; there are groups.

    Gigantic has lots of good tips in his article. Do you night ride? Do you mind getting up early? these are all good ways to ride when it dips below freezing at night rendering otherwise unrideable trails temporarily perfect (while frozen). My yard is a pretty good indicator of what's up (maybe yours too?)

    in my estimation we need AT LEAST 3-4 dry days in a row, wind helps A LOT, with no freeze at night for the trails to dry enough to ride when not frozen? But that is just hypothesis. Ask a thousand people you'll probably get a thousand different predictions on when it will be good again. As others may point out i lean toward the conservative side and opt for not riding when it is iffy...

    good for you for turning around btw! i am sure you saw lots of other folks out that were not as responsible as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FasterSoonerNow View Post
    I was surprised to find that the trails were a complete mess on Sunday. I know, I know... but it hadn't rained for a week and I didn't realized how much snow melt had occurred during the "heat" wave. I was hoping that it would dry out as I got some elevation, but no dice and I promptly left out of respect for the trail work that has been done.

    In any case, should I just assume that it will continue to be muddy for the next 2 months and avoid going? Are there any trail reports I can check so that I don't spend time driving out there from South Philly only to find out that I have to turnaround?
    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Is it a mess right now? It's been pretty cold last few days...
    The word from Belmont is that it is starting to dry, but isn't quite there yet. That may change in a day or so, but we're also looking at freeze cycles tonight. There's a good chance that the Wiss, particularly on the Chestnut Hill side, may be decent by Saturday.
    This thread (or a 2018 Wiss Conditions thread) is as good as any place to check; I try to post updates at @MTBPHL on Facebook and instagram and Elk & Nick at the Belmont Plateau Trails Alliance do a pretty good job of updating conditions; Belmont is usually a day or two behind the Wiss in drying out, due to the higher mica schist sediments in the Wissahickon soils, which allow it to drain better and dry faster.

    Generally, if there's a hard freeze over night, the trails should be good until about 10:30am the next morning, but the earlier you get out in the morning, the better.

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    Fellas, thanks for the info! Good to know that it'll dry out sometime soon and now I have one more reason to hit the trails early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantic View Post
    The word from Belmont is that it is starting to dry, but isn't quite there yet. That may change in a day or so, but we're also looking at freeze cycles tonight. There's a good chance that the Wiss, particularly on the Chestnut Hill side, may be decent by Saturday.
    This thread (or a 2018 Wiss Conditions thread) is as good as any place to check; I try to post updates at @MTBPHL on Facebook and instagram and Elk & Nick at the Belmont Plateau Trails Alliance do a pretty good job of updating conditions; Belmont is usually a day or two behind the Wiss in drying out, due to the higher mica schist sediments in the Wissahickon soils, which allow it to drain better and dry faster.

    Generally, if there's a hard freeze over night, the trails should be good until about 10:30am the next morning, but the earlier you get out in the morning, the better.
    Just did a ride tonight and the conditions were great since it was below freezing. Just a couple places were a tiny bit soft. I think there is a good chance it will be good for Saturday.


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    I think there is a good chance it will be good for Saturday.


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    from what i hear; you may be correct! i am gonna go check it out. if i get a chance to wander out to the meadows after work i'll let you guys know.

    i'll tell you what would definitely be good this weekend; a fatbike to steamroll out all the ruts!

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    Thinking about going tomorrow. Any of you local guys going for a walk to check it out today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Thinking about going tomorrow. Any of you local guys going for a walk to check it out today?
    Hopefully today dries it out some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    fixed your question... and yes i think so; but on the roxborough side only. I'll go check it out this weekend fer sure.
    Yes. And still closed. Sign says tomorrow is the last day

    Quote Originally Posted by sutter2k View Post
    Hopefully today dries it out some.
    Just rode the whole loop. Most of it is fine. Some soft spots that were probably puddles a few days ago. Lots of people have been riding the last few days. Only thing I noticed that was still soaking was the small section after you cross gorgas and head back up the hill (going south).

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    There's also a little tent development brewing just off the trail south of gorgas. Never seen that in wiss before

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    I have seen single tenters occasionally over the years. Last summer/fall there was a tent posted up in the same area you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    There's also a little tent development brewing just off the trail south of gorgas. Never seen that in wiss before
    Is that in the new section where there's now a rug in the trail and a growing number of oddities like pots and pans, a baby stroller, a DYI wheelbarrow, among other things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepoMan2112 View Post
    Is that in the new section where there's now a rug in the trail and a growing number of oddities like pots and pans, a baby stroller, a DYI wheelbarrow, among other things?
    It's in between the old section and the new section just south of gorgas. I saw it from the top side. Several tents

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepoMan2112 View Post
    Is that in the new section where there's now a rug in the trail and a growing number of oddities like pots and pans, a baby stroller, a DYI wheelbarrow, among other things?
    i think the rug was put there in an attempt to preserve that tree??? Isaw the DIY wheelbarrow and the scattered supplies. i thought it was just the aftermath of a highschool party. I'll try to look around next time i am down there. That was some hearty camping if they are still there after this weekend...

    park has to be an absolute mess of downed trees right now. i am sick or i'd try to ride tonight. i hear all the wind dried the trails out pretty good. should be shreddable tonight (if you can find a section w no trees down) before the next storm rolls in tomorrow.

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    Can anyone say what the trails are like today? Looking to get out For an hour or two

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    Trails are dry and good to go but lots of downed trees that require many dismounts

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    Did a loop last night and trails are good to go. Be aware, tons of trees down. Must have been carnage Friday in the Wiss. On average about 1 every mile. Wet spots in the usual locations where water is draining.

    As for the rogue campers, I saw them actually setting up late this past fall. I believe it's 1-2 homeless guys. Then been littering their shite all over that section of trail. One of them set up last winter, down the hill from the pavilion toward Forbidden Drive. Looks like this year they chose a closer location to Henry Avenue.

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    Ended up riding Belmont. It was pretty pointless, but thanks anyway for the update.

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    Anyone been out since the snow on Wednesday? Was hoping to ride tomorrow early while the ground is still somewhat frozen, but didn't know how wet it might be

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    Rode on Tuesday and a lot if trees were down felt like I spent more energy climbing over trees then riding

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    I'm going to cut to the chase: NO, trails are not ready to ride. If it's below 32 the night before, they'll be ok till about 9am. After that it's like riding on a greasy cookie sheet.

    Did a loop this morning and all turned to slop. Had the bail.

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    what he said.

    when it dips below freezing overnight but is sunny the next morning you better be finishing up by 8-9 or you'll hit really soft spots. this whole week looks pretty crap.

    32 miles on the roadie yesterday afternoon so i am better prepared when the trails are finally rideable again.

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    We rode on Saturday starting at 8. I think the wind and lack of precipitation helped because it was perfect. There was maybe one small wet spot (20 yards long). Otherwise it was dry and fast. Unfortunately the snow/rain projected for tomorrow and Wednesday will mess that up for a while.

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    How was forbidden drive? Dry? Bummer about this snow, I thought we were in the clear.

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    Yup. It was perfect. So perfect I went out twice, totaling 22 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoon View Post
    Yup. It was perfect. So perfect I went out twice, totaling 22 miles.
    I'm not one of those super humans but that's just part of one ride for many people at the wiss. As long as youre having fun though

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbikemax View Post
    I'm not one of those super humans but that's just part of one ride for many people at the wiss. As long as youre having fun though

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    What do you mean? Isn't the entire loop just 13?

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    1 Full loop should be at 19 miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBFUN24 View Post
    1 Full loop should be at 19 miles
    There's a lot of variations. But yeah I agree it's closer to 19. You can add cresh and Belmont too and do mutiple laps. For me a half to 3/4 loop is what I like best. All the wiss trails going counter clockwise except the north of valley green (Indian area). I also like to ride the Meadows as a loop from the mothers climb which adds a bit

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    Trail conditions looking a little snowy today.

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    Anybody think anything will be ridable the first week of April. Coming up from Carolina and would love to hit the Wiss again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Anybody think anything will be ridable the first week of April. Coming up from Carolina and would love to hit the Wiss again.
    things can change quick this time of year! if it warms up and stays dry i bet we are riding in a week or so. next week looks like 60's. that combined with spring growth should make things good again pretty quick.

    i would be cautiously optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    things can change quick this time of year! if it warms up and stays dry i bet we are riding in a week or so. next week looks like 60's. that combined with spring growth should make things good again pretty quick.

    i would be cautiously optimistic.
    Man, that would be great. You are right about spring. The trees start sucking up all the water and drying things up. Will bring my bike just in case. Can't miss this opportunity!
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    Didn't actually rain all that much this week... This weekend should be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash216 View Post
    Didn't actually rain all that much this week... This weekend should be good.
    tis raining there right now. I was there yesterday for a run and it was muddy on most parts.
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    Could go to Belmont then. Belmont_Trails posted on Instagram yesterday that the trails are open clear and in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash216 View Post
    Could go to Belmont then. Belmont_Trails posted on Instagram yesterday that the trails are open clear and in good shape.
    Others who have been through the trails are reporting as of today that Belmont continues to be fine.

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    Rode Belmont last Friday and it was great. Only exception was new sections of 4 Bridges. Parts of that looked soft. Did not do Crossbow but assumed parts of that were soft too.

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    Any updates on if these places are rideable? Heading to Philly for work over the next 2 weeks and bringing my bike down. Going to be staying downtown, Wissahickon and the place just south of it looks to be the closet riding spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magsrgod View Post
    Any updates on if these places are rideable? Heading to Philly for work over the next 2 weeks and bringing my bike down. Going to be staying downtown, Wissahickon and the place just south of it looks to be the closet riding spots.
    Wiss is riding great and should be good all week. Consider checking out white clay about an hour away (Newark, De) or find someone to show you around Brandywine a bit closer and also in Delaware. White Clay is endless xc flow and Brandywine is more techy almost Enduro.

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    should be a great week. if you like hoppin logs venture over to belmont as well; closer to the city but definitely tighter with more obstacles..

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    Excellent thank you guys, I'll ride both throughout the week! Looks like I'm going to be there M-F for the next month now and the hotel is going to stash my bike for me. I'll try to get some rides outside the area as well if time permits!

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    openstreetmap has all the belmont trials. they are a little twisty and confusing. wiss is pretty straight forward; basically up one side of the creek down the other with a few side trails. so much good riding and spring is coming in strong right now. i am excited...

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    I was just looking through the Belmont trails, whats the good way to ride them or do they ride well in both directions?

    Does anyone happen to have a gpx file or a strava ride you could export and send me with a full pull of those trails? If so shoot me a PM!

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    here is a good loop of most of the belmont stuff:
    https://ridewithgps.com/routes/9430791

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    Just grabbed the gpx, thank you!

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    It's a total slop fest right now. And the trail under the bridge is still completely blocked. Only 3 months behind schedule...

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    The FOW emails have been saying the trail under the bridge is closed until further notice. I think they've given up on posting the end date. It's slipped 2 or 3 times by now.

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    are e-bikes allowed in the park? I was out for a ride yesterday and got my 1st e-bike experience on the trail. There were 2 guys riding them and blew by me on a climb. I actually didn't even realize they were on e-bikes at 1st but was thinking how crazy it was they were climbing so quickly. I have been passed by faster guys before but was thinking these guys were some of the fastest guys I had ever seen. Then later on the trail they were stopped and I got a better look at the bikes and could see they were both on e-bikes. about 1/2 mile down they blew by me on another climb. I had just never noticed any on the trails before and was curious if they were even allowed on the trails. They looked like fun but I ride for 50% fun 50% fitness and they seem to defeat the fitness part of my riding. I will stick to my Honda CRF230 when I don't feel like riding my bike.
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    none of you shoulda been out yesterday. too wet.

    that said, no, ebikes are not allowed but either are off leash dogs or riding faster than 7mph. rules are tough to enforce.

    the most important rule for all of us is don't be an @sshole; that and don't ride the trails when wet.

    you can let off leash dogs or ebikes or anything else upset you but really what is more important in the end is just promoting everyone getting along out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    none of you shoulda been out yesterday. too wet.

    that said, no, ebikes are not allowed but either are off leash dogs or riding faster than 7mph. rules are tough to enforce.

    the most important rule for all of us is don't be an @sshole; that and don't ride the trails when wet.

    you can let off leash dogs or ebikes or anything else upset you but really what is more important in the end is just promoting everyone getting along out there.
    there were actually alot of people out riding and at least where I was riding was not muddy at all. I was surprised it was as dry as it was. I think there were 3 mud holes I saw that i just bunny hopped over.

    I wasn't upset about the ebikes at all. Just was curious if they were allowed on the trails. I was actually glad they were on ebikes as it made me feel alot better for getting smoked up the climbs by them.
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    sorry if i sounded snarky but it rained pretty biblically the night before. i didn't get to venture out till yesterday and it was really nice by then.

    tried to ride during the eagles game to avoid crowds; but on a prefect sunny sunday the crowds were not to be avoided.

    no ebike sightings. we were talking about em though. one of the guys in our group was raving about how his lady friend and demoed one and they are now thinking about buying one so they can have more fun riding together... interesting stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    one of the guys in our group was raving about how his lady friend and demoed one and they are now thinking about buying one so they can have more fun riding together... interesting stuff!
    This makes me happy for ebikes. I hope they get more people on bikes. In fact, my father-in-law is considering one so that he can hit the trails with my 2 young rippers and me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoon View Post
    This makes me happy for ebikes. I hope they get more people on bikes. In fact, my father-in-law is considering one so that he can hit the trails with my 2 young rippers and me!

    but of course this is philly so your also gonna see your share of "gritties" tearing it up making themselves asses w ebikes
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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    but of course this is philly so your also gonna see your share of "gritties" tearing it up making themselves asses w ebikes
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    Rode Wiss last Friday and Belmont on Sunday. Conditions were pretty good both days with not very many muddy/soft spots at either trail system.
    The new Trolley flow trail that drops from Chamounix is pretty fun. Got my share of technical beatings on Mouse and Wild Mouse then finished up with Trolley Flow and Kitchen Sink.

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    I'm going to be in Philly for the bike expo this weekend and was originally planning to bring my bike and ride Wiss on Monday. However the weather forecast looks like a lot of rain on Saturday. I don't know how well the trails drain, will it likely be too muddy to ride on Monday?

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    Wiss and Belmont single track might be a bit on the wet side Monday with rain forecast for late Sunday early Monday. Good options will be the gravel roads at Belmont, Boxer Trail and Forbidden Drive. All three can be linked into a nice ride using the SRT as a connector.

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    We ended up not bringing bikes for the weekend on account of the forecast plus logistical hassle and vehicle space issues. However we did hike at Wiss yesterday afternoon and the trails were in great condition so we kinda regretted not having bikes to ride. Given the soil composition and amount of rock, it looks to me like the trails should hold up really well to moderate rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMtnB44 View Post
    We ended up not bringing bikes for the weekend on account of the forecast plus logistical hassle and vehicle space issues. However we did hike at Wiss yesterday afternoon and the trails were in great condition so we kinda regretted not having bikes to ride. Given the soil composition and amount of rock, it looks to me like the trails should hold up really well to moderate rain.
    That's too bad you couldn't ride, but at least you got to check it out. You are right, we are really fortunate with the soil composition there compared to many trails. It dries out very quickly and is rideable all year. "Mud season" isn't even an issue. Sure, there's a thaw in the spring, but calling it a "season" would be an exaggeration. Hopefully next time you get a ride in.

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    Rode here for the First time in a Year and it is riding so well.

    Ended up doing a full loop with the new Summit Ave Reroute, new trolley trail in Fairmount.. So much fun Single Track.

    New permit system is weird. No mention of it at the trailhead I parked at.

    Saw a trail cam off of Livezey Lane...

    Impressed how much work your community can accomplish.

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