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    Marsh Creek Conditions

    Anyone know the trail conditions / expect them to be rideable tomorrow (8/23)? Had a good bit of rain up here in Berks Co. over the night.

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    hmmmmmmmmmm. VERY WET INDEED SIR

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    What do all of you think the place will be like tomorrow? I know the name "Marsh" Creek is appropriate....
    Think that it'll be a wash? (Pun intended)
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    Last Sunday, after no rain for almost 2 weeks, there were still muddy spots. After rain all week, I would imagine it will be in awful shape.

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    Forget about it. No way.

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    One of the problems is that it's real tough to avoid the muddy sections... hard to just ride the rideable sections without having to go thru the messed up sections.
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    What kind of tires is everyone riding in Marsh Creek? Especially now with the fall upon us. I am thinking Advert and/or Nevegal?
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    My maxxis ignitors tend to hold the mud there, but the Bontrager Jones models shed the mud quicker.

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    I was riding Fire XCs last fall and winter, but then again, I stayed away from there unless it was relatively dry. Not a fan of them when it's muddy. Just put some 2.2 Mountain Kings on after getting a great deal. We'll see.

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    Please let me know how your tires work out. I will do the same. It can get super muddy in MC as you all know.
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    Has anybody ridden Marsh Creek recently? I was planning on riding there on Sunday, and wanted to see what the conditions are like. I know we have had tons of rain lately and wanted to make sure it isn't a mud pit before I drive up there.

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    I ride it all the time. Depends where you are riding but it is still pretty muddy from all the rain last week. If you go in at the papermill there is a section there that is complete mud pit. The bonus loop is muddy but not so bad that you cannot ride it. If you go in at the boat docks and go to the side with the red and blue trail that seems the best but less technical. There is that one section that is muddy on the doubletrack but if you stay on the end it is no problem. Hard to see because all the leaves are covering the road but if you ridden it before you know what I am talking about.
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    Hi,

    Did anyone ride Marsh Creek this past weekend?

    I am thinking about going Monday afternoon.

    How are the trail conditions?

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    We were there, along with a significant chunk of the rest of the free world, Sunday AM. Someone had said trail conditions were great but I'm not sure if I'd use that word. The usual mud holes are still there and are still huge. Most of the rest of the trail is leaf-covered, normal of course, but be wary of the wet soil underneath. Trail that was dry-ish and free of leaves was rare indeed.

    Big thanks to some of the Dtown guys for clearing some blow-down - awesome!

    All that said, given the weather we've had this whole year, I'd put it this way - get out and ride. Trail conditions are good enough, and if you ride there even occasionally there won't be any surprises. Enjoy!
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    Rode a little of the east side of the park (from boat ramp) Saturday. Trails were softer than normal with the usual mud holes being bigger mud holes - almost the norm for this whole season.

    Rode a good chunk of the west side (from Chalfont) Sunday. Conditions worse than expected. I think the east side was better. Not a lot of good firm trail - most of it was quite soft, mud holes were monsters. Damn fun though! My Kenda Nevs got a workout.

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    Some nice new wooden bridges by the boat dock over those mud pits headed towards the dam. Whoever put them in place, nice work!
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    Tried a snow ride early Sunday AM 12/6. 1/3 of trails were frozen and fun, but the other 2/3 were a mess. Salvaged the ride by taking lotsa pics. Too much water seeping out of the warmer underground to get a good freeze going on the surface. It better either get colder or drier... or both!
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    Quote Originally Posted by raekism
    Some nice new wooden bridges by the boat dock over those mud pits headed towards the dam. Whoever put them in place, nice work!
    Thats awesome.

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    To any of you guys who have been there recently, do you think it will be sufficiently frozen for early Saturday AM? Being that it's 8:45 and still in the 20s in West Chester, I'm guessing it's cold enough. Any thoughts?

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    I just got back from a ride there and it was frozen over. The only exceptions were some deep puddles, which just had a layer of ice on top. Another night below freezing and they might be solid in the morning. I was surprised at how many hunters were out on a Friday morning. After all the mud we've had I could not pass up below freezing temps, tires hooking up on frozen ground is a great feeling.

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    Rode MCSP this morning around 9am, trails were frozen solid, no mud whatsoever. Get out early tomorrow, rain is supposed to start around 9am...
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    Sub-freezing temps transformed the mud into traction central this Friday morning. Great riding everywhere on the trails, and with no wind and sunny skies it was a privilege to be out and about on two wheels. By noon, some of the south facing trails were softening - mud over ice a little tricky - but those sections were few and far between. Will be interesting to see how the snow riding is tomorrow AM... sounds like there will be too much snow by Sunday AM.
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    I rode there last night. All trails were frozen solid. What a great ride. A light snow on 50% of the trails. Some ice. I finally found the teeter totter. That was fun also. Kudos to those doing trail work there. Nice job on the new bridges.

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    Anyone get out today after the thaw? I'm wondering what the trails will be like tomorrow morning with the temp not getting below freezing.

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    I was out from about 1:30 to 3:00. It was in the low 40s when I got there and the trails were still in good shape thanks to the frozen ground. By 3:00 however, temps climbed to the upper 40s and the top inch of ground was thawing, making things a little soupier. All in all though, the trails were better than I thought they would be. I think with the sun going down and temps dropping close to freezing the trails might freeze up again... go for it!
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    Got out there today at around 8:45. The ground was still mostly frozen, but you could tell it wasn't going to last long. I only rode for an hour and a half and by the end, it was getting really nasty in spots. I was riding Conti Mt. Kings, which I though shedded mud well, but they were useless. Hopefully it refreezes soon.

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    I am going to be in Downingtown next weekend and was wondering if Marsh Creek is at all rideable right now or if I should just bring my road bike? Thanks.

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    Right now everything in the region is soup, I would think it will stay that way unless we get a deep freeze.

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    A lot of snow, dense and wet. Warm this week and rain on Wednesday will do some good, but the result will be messy trails unless we get a good freeze. Lots of crap on the roads, I would bring the MTB and be prepared to ride roads or trail. Lots of MTBers on the roads these days, roadies getting flats and complaining of trashing their shiny bikes.

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    Thanks for the feedback guys, sounds like you're in about the same place York County is. I was hoping you would be a little further along with the melt. I'll plan on riding on the road most likely, too bad, Marsh Creek is a fun little place!

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    Marsh Creek is notoriously the last place in the area to dry out. There's still a good amount of snow around and there's no way it'll be dry for the weekend. I would definitely stay away from MC unless its cold enough to be frozen. If you have a cross bike, ride the roads with that. This weekend, the roads were covered in crap from the recent false alarm of a storm, although they should be in better shape with a week's worth of traffic.

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    Anybody been out lately. Thinking of heading to marsh creek later in the week. Any thoughts on the status of the trails by then? Thanks

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    It'll be fine by then.
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    I think its fine now, at least it was when I was there last weekend.

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    Trails were in great shape yesterday afternoon

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    Blast from the Past

    I figured I would bring this post back from the dead. I was at Marsh Creek today...conditions were perfect. I got in 15 miles of awesome riding. I know I wasn't the only one, there were plenty of bikes, bikers, and empty car racks to be seen.
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    Yeah the whole WORLD was there tonight. I think there were more cars there then I'd ever seen. Checked out a relatively new trail bypassing lower part of rocky climb... gonna be a nice addition.
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    Nice bump on this thread.... I just got a trailbike built back up after a long hiatus since around Christmas or the new year. Been DHing and a little road... but no trail.... Cant wait to hit up Marsh again. Stoked by your posts. Thanks for hitting this thread up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jajm1213 View Post
    I figured I would bring this post back from the dead. I was at Marsh Creek today...conditions were perfect. I got in 15 miles of awesome riding. I know I wasn't the only one, there were plenty of bikes, bikers, and empty car racks to be seen.
    How do you get 15 miles there? Everytime I go it seems to be like only 8-9 miles. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfhausen View Post
    How do you get 15 miles there? Everytime I go it seems to be like only 8-9 miles. Thanks
    I ride the Struble Trail over from Downingtown (That's about a total of 4,5 by itself). Once I actually arrive to Marsh Creek, I usually ride from the damn access road over to the west dock and then go all through some of the trails on the other side over there. There are plenty of different trails over on that side to get even more miles in. If I have enough time on the way back, I'll try to make it over to the bonus loop and seesaw too (for a total closer to 18-20).
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    Yes it was crowded last night, I was surprised. I think a lot of the riders were in pre riding the coarse for the upcoming night race this Saturday night. If you want more details search Chester county cycle they are sponsoring it, and have links to details. Should be a great race, nothing cooler than watching some bikes going full speed down the dam face, well maybe doing it yourself is a bit cooler....

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    Hey I just went to Marsh creek for the first time and was doing a little exploring. My curious nature kinda got me into trouble. I was riding the one access path from the field thats on Dorlan Mill road (I was actually riding from the trail to the field to see where that trail went) and I came across a bees nest. I was passing by and realized what it was and it was too late to stop. I rode out as quickly as I could and once I got to the field, I threw down my bike, threw down my helmet and ripped my shirt off to swing at all the bees stinging me. I think I got around 10 bee stings.

    This trail doesnt look like its used as much as the one a little further south in the corner of the field judging by the lack of matted down grass, and I dont really know why it exists, but I recommend not using it. I was excited to explore a new place and lost my focus after all the bee stings. Next time I'll bring the geared bike too, I didnt realize it was so hilly there.

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    Sorry to hear about the stings. Take care of yourself.

    How was the dirt condtions? Unsure if Marsh got as much rain dumped on it Friday evening as we did out here near Lancaster or not.
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    It was nice out there. Some tiny streams to cross that I'm guessing usually arent there. Dirt was sticky by firm but there were only small patches of mud sparingly There was some places that were weedwhacked for that race and i was kinda surprised at the choice of trails. The deep rutted one that goes over the east side of the bluff on the spillway was weedwhacked. also the trail that connects from the one side of the bluff to the other right at the bottom had the deepest mud pit/puddle right after/before a steep 5 foot hill. I was afraid I was going to get stuck when I was going through it and probably got halfway to my axle in the water. Due to how mushy it was I'm guessing this isnt a new puddle

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    Just got back from riding most of the park. Trails are in great shape, fast and smooth from all of the people riding it to prep for the race. They did a great job cutting back the grass and raspberry vines where it was getting overgrown. A few spots, especially those that get a lot of sun are a little dusty so they can be slick. Of course there are supposed to be thunderstorms this afternoon so conditions may change drastically in an hour.

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    Um, wet right now obviously.

    A question for my fellow MC riders - I noticed a new section of trail that splits off from the ascent from the bottom of the soul trail on the way towards the bonus loop. Anyone know when this was built and who did it? It's a pretty nice section.

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    Pretty good conditions today, still a bit sloppy along the lake in spots but the bonus loop is generally in excellent shape.

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    Thanks Flowy. What exactly is the "bonus loop"? I rode Harmony Hill in Downingtown today and it was in great shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperbam View Post
    Thanks Flowy. What exactly is the "bonus loop"? I rode Harmony Hill in Downingtown today and it was in great shape.
    If you are familiar with where the see-saw is it's the loop that starts and ends there. Of course there are about 5 different trails you can take from the see-saw and only 2 of them are the beginning/end of the bonus loop. The others all take you back towards the dam in one way or another.

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    Despite the rain of two days ago, think that the wind has helped dry things out much?
    Thinking of a lunch time ride there today.
    Coming from the Lancaster area so any help appreciated. Sorry for the short notice in requesting a reply from anyone.
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    Hey guys, I haven't been riding at Marsh in years. I know there was trouble there before with land owners i guess, Where is a good spot to park and ride from now? I use to park in this tiny parking lot off to the left of the boat dock through the woods.

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    The lot you mention is still there (Chalfant Rd) but I normally park at the boat launch and do the other side first.
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    Ok sounds good. I know when we did the other side we use to go along the lake then take a right up the steep hill and go through the farm and field,, still the same?

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    Re: Marsh Creek Conditions

    Note there is a trail that goes from the base of that hill along the lake all the way to the dam, so you can bypass that steep climb and the double track. However it's in pretty bad shape right now with the freeze/thaw cycles it is best to stick to your old route for next week or so. I was there today, trails on the rest side are OK but with rain tomorrow and warming temps they will be like peanut butter for a while. Of course if you ride early am when temps are in 20s you should be fine.

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    That section that runs from the west boat launch south towards the dam is definitely the last area to dry. The good thing is that it can be bypassed via the gravel road and it's the most boring section of trail at Marsh Creek anyway.

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    Sounds good guys thx. Probably another month before i get out to ride. WHere were they having problems before there? just curious.

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    I think you're referring to the trouble accessing Marsh Creek from the Struble Trail via the old papermill (near 282 and Dorlan Mill Rd). It never impacted any of the trails w/in the park, provided you access it from the boat launch or Chalfant parking lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtskibum View Post
    I think you're referring to the trouble accessing Marsh Creek from the Struble Trail via the old papermill (near 282 and Dorlan Mill Rd). It never impacted any of the trails w/in the park, provided you access it from the boat launch or Chalfant parking lot.
    Oh yea, that's where the fence went up in the last year or two. There are some new (I think, at least new to me) trails between the paper mill and the small parking lot at the top of the hill above the paper mill.

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    I remember riding a trial there 2 years ago i think and it was along a fence that looked pretty new, maybe that's the one.

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    I was out at MC yesterday, 3/23 and it was in better shape than I expected. With the wind yesterday afternoon it was drying out quickly, should be nice out there today.

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    Was a mess today, peanut butter everywhere except for the highest elevations.

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    anybody go today (friday)?? if so how were the conditions?

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    Conditions are good. Even the lakeside trail is useable.
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    There is a fence at the papermill if you're coming from the Struble trail. Halfway up the hill of Dorlan Mill Rd there is a new trail to the left. It goes along the Shryock papermill property and around the fence; leads up near the Dorlan MIll Rd access point. (Which by the way, they've built a new parking lot there).

    I was there last week and everything seemed dried up and good to go. I'll be going tomorrow (70 degrees but 20MPH winds). Once I do, I'll give an update on the trails; I plan on riding every single one, hahah.
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    Conditions were prime yesterday....
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    Thinking of hitting Marsh Creek Sunday on the way home to Philly area from Lancaster. Anyone have a trail map or give me some info on how I want to ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmack View Post
    Thinking of hitting Marsh Creek Sunday on the way home to Philly area from Lancaster. Anyone have a trail map or give me some info on how I want to ride it.
    I would suggest parking at the west boat launch which is accessed by taking Lyndell road east from route 282 in Lyndell.

    From this lot there are trails both to the north and south. I would recommend heading south (towards the dam). This trail will eventually take you to a gravel road that crosses the dam, take this and follow the trail to the right at the opposite end of the dam. This will take you down hill through a series of switchbacks. At the bottom you cross a narrow bridge over a small stream. Stay straight after this bridge rather than turning right.

    You will come across a few intersections after this but if you generally try to head towards the east you will eventually come across the see-saw no matter which trail you take. The see-saw is the start/end point for the "bonus" loop. I usually do the loop a few times alternating directions and head back.

    All of that being said it's going to be a warm Sunday so you'll probably see lots of people, just stop and ask the way to the see-saw.

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    Awesome! Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmack View Post
    Awesome! Thanks for the info.
    No problem. I was just out there and it is dry and fast, really nice conditions!

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    Trails are in great shape right now! I've been riding the struble west from N Reeds road out to the quarry and up through the trails on the west side of the boat launch. Haven't been east / or over towards the dam yet.

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    I haven't been to marsh in years and don't remember any of the trails, Thinking of hitting it up sat. or sun., Is it hard to get lost back there and get back to the boat launch?

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    You won't get "lost." There will be a lot of traffic out on the trails this weekend. I'm sure you will run into plenty of other riders and hikers who would point you in the direction your looking to go.

    Pretty much can't get lost at MC. Basically have to cross the brandywine or a road to leave the park

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    Sounds good thx. Only my 3rd ride in this year after being off the bike for more than a year. Was thinking of hitting up French creek sunday, but that might be to much just yet.

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    A strange update on Marsh Creek but I was out there on Sunday and Monday and both days came across a wounded (or maybe rabid, I really don't know) raccoon walking down the trail out by the bonus loop. It was limping along and both times upon seeing me was in no hurry to move off the trail.

    Edit: After doing some googling the limping and odd behavior was most likely an indication that it was rabid, be careful out there!

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    Did you let any park rangers know? It would probably be good to tell them when and where you saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tim_from_PA View Post
    Did you let any park rangers know? It would probably be good to tell them when and where you saw it.
    Yea, I let 'em know.

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    I'm gona hit Marsh on Sunday morning if anyone is interested in joining. Riding both sides, parking by the docks. Getting an early start too because of Mother's Day, wheels out around 9am.

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    I'm gona hit Marsh on Sunday morning if anyone is interested in joining. Riding both sides, parking by the docks. Getting an early start too because of Mother's Day, wheels out around 9am.

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    Really ? After all that rain ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 92gli View Post
    Really ? After all that rain ?
    I prefer to wait at least 24-48 hours after the rain stops to head out there hence I was reluctant to go but went along with my group. The trail between the damn & boat launch was fine except for the low points. The bonus loop was fine except for the low points and the creek bed trail.
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    Anyone out in the last 24 hours or so? Looking to head down for a loop from the Lancaster area later this AM. With the exception of a little rain this past weekend, and a brief 5 min downpour that we had out here early this morning (unsure if it dumped down there too), I was thinking that it should be ok?
    Any (quick) reports appreciated. Know that I'm gambling on no rain later as both weather.com and accuweather are saying 50% chance for today.
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    Sorry, I haven't been at Marsh Creek since last week, but it did rain in Downingtown a bit last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoaster View Post
    I was thinking that it should be ok?
    Any (quick) reports appreciated. Know that I'm gambling on no rain later as both weather.com and accuweather are saying 50% chance for today.
    The weathermen have been wrong pretty much everyday for the last few weeks lol.
    I havent been to Marsh Creek since the weekend but i would expect the majority of the trail to be fine. If it's not, Harmony Hill is just a few miles away and it drains a lot better then MC.
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    Hey all, the message below was forwarded to me, however I don't know when it was written, so ignore if it's old. Otherwise...what are the new trails? and to me, the only rough trails are the blue and green trails where they are all washed out and they are old, so I don't really know what he's on about. Does anyone have permission to build trails here? All new trails over the past few years have been quite smooth and safe IMO.


    "All, You are being contacted AGAIN due to the issues at Marsh Creek State Park. The amount of rouge trails has gotten out of hand. I have found three trails that are new this year some are so bad it’s disgusting. When people do this is causes severe harm to the environment and also health and safety concerns for anyone using these trails.

    We have instituted a zero tolerance program do to these issues. Therefore anyone caught blazing our building a trail and does not have written permission from this office will receive a citation of up to $300.00 + court costs. Also if the group is organized and holds any events in the park that organization will forfeit their right to hold their event instantly with no refunds. Furthermore I need a copy of any race routes and will ride them myself one week prior once it is marked. If it is on non authorized rouge trails the race WILL BE CANCLED.

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    From what I understood from a recent conversation, PATH has a very good relationship with the park, and are the only ones permitted to build/maintain.
    No sense in starting an uproar from riders if that letter is indeed old.
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    Call the phone number and find out just how old that letter is.

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    I just received that e-mail through another e-mail group, which provided context for the e-mail. It is recent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincavinz View Post
    I just received that e-mail through another e-mail group, which provided context for the e-mail. It is recent.
    Who do we contact to volunteer for maintaining the trails?
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    PATH (PA Trail Hands)
    They have a good working relationship with the Park and Rangers
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    Googling PA Trail Hands helped, thanks!

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    There will be trail work this Thursday at 6pm at the boat launch

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    Re: Marsh Creek Conditions

    I think it's just a case of the new ranger getting up to speed on the park and the users. As you know the mountain bike community is highly vested in the park and does the lion's share of the trail maintenance. The ranger is planning to be there Thursday night, so it would be great if we made a strong showing to get acquainted with him, and him with us. Our good track record with the park management is partly because of efforts like these. This is great opportunity to get off on the right foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdouble View Post
    I think it's just a case of the new ranger getting up to speed on the park and the users. As you know the mountain bike community is highly vested in the park and does the lion's share of the trail maintenance. The ranger is planning to be there Thursday night, so it would be great if we made a strong showing to get acquainted with him, and him with us. Our good track record with the park management is partly because of efforts like these. This is great opportunity to get off on the right foot.
    Im going to try and make it out there, I'd love to help. I'll be coming from a meeting from Allentown so I probably wont get there until 6:30ish. Which direction should I head in once i get there? (towards or away from the dam)
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    Re: Marsh Creek Conditions

    I would guess there will be a group going towards the dam for sure, and then maybe another group away (there is a tree down on one of the double tracks and the stinging nettles are coming in by the old stone house). Probably won't head out until 615 or later, after kibitzing with the ranger...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdouble View Post
    Probably won't head out until 615 or later, after kibitzing with the ranger...

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    Sounds good, hopefully the weather will cooperate, its turning for the worse in Allentown (which is a shame, i was planning a lunch ride up here). Hopefully I'll be able to be at MC by 6-6:15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdouble View Post
    I would guess there will be a group going towards the dam for sure, and then maybe another group away (there is a tree down on one of the double tracks and the stinging nettles are coming in by the old stone house). Probably won't head out until 615 or later, after kibitzing with the ranger...

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    I was planning on making a trip up from VA this weekend to ride this but it looks like you guys might be getting a good chunk of rain. Any chance this place would be enjoyable to ride tomorrow (Saturday)?

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    MC has a clay base with fairly decent drainage in most areas and is pretty good to ride on within 24 hours of a significant rainfall, it'll still be wet in spots. With that said weatherbug is showing that we are to get showers early in the AM, with a break in the late morning and rain starting up again in the ealry afternoon. We all know how accuate these reports are though.
    Harmony Hill, just a few miles from MC, tends to be a bit more forgiving with wet weather. There arent as many trails, and you are either going up or down the hill, but its a good time too.

    If your intention is to drive up just to do these trails then i would recommend waiting for better weather. If you're here anyways then hit them, they'll still be fun, just watch out for that root, especially if its wet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmh2282 View Post
    I was planning on making a trip up from VA this weekend to ride this but it looks like you guys might be getting a good chunk of rain. Any chance this place would be enjoyable to ride tomorrow (Saturday)?
    No, we're supposed to get heavy rain through the night and it's been coming down since last night already. I'm hoping that it will be rideable Sunday evening.

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    Yeah I saw the forecast. Figured I would see what was actually going on.

    Thanks for the info.

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    if you are coming from VA there are SO MANY better places to ride.

    nothing against marsh creek (it's pretty nice) but if your in that area there is lots of better riding to be doing if you have time.


    with all the rain we are getting marsh creek and almost all local spots are going to be a mess all weekend long.

    if you wanna get your ride on i suggest the batsto trails in the pine barrens. about the only place anywhere near here you can ride without a guilty conscience this weekend.

    if anyone else knows any localish ride spots that can handle multiple inches of rain i'd love to hear em.

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    Wissahickon handles the rain pretty well but I think everything will still be pretty soaked tomorrow.

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    Thoughts on the conditions at MC by tomorrow AM?
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    Re: Marsh Creek Conditions

    More train forecast for today so probably not ridable until Sunday evening. French creek and wiss may be better.

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    Looking like I'll be heading North and/or West.... Camp Mack or maybe even Rocky Ridge then.
    Thanks for the thoughts on the MC conditions.
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    So.... are ya sure that it won't be ok by tomorrow AM? With the exception of the usual suspect spots? I do NOT want to do any damage. But am driving down from the Lancaster area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowy View Post
    Wissahickon handles the rain pretty well but I think everything will still be pretty soaked tomorrow.
    wissahickon has actually been handling water a lot worse lately because so many people seem to be riding it all the time.

    used to be 1 day after a storm it was pretty puddle free. now there are lots of spots that stay muddy for a couple days.

    wissahickon handles rain better than most spots in the area but not all the time. drying pretty slowly these days actually; probably due to the THICK tree cover not letting any sun or wind on the trails.

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    Regarding the message from Jim about the rouge trails: I have noticed a new complete loop and a few dead end starter trails on the east boat launch side (boat rental side) where almost no one rides. I have not noticed anything new on the west side of the park. I wonder if he is referring to these new trails. They are pretty terrible and I'm pretty sure there is a group of local teenage kids that are responsible for these.

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    Re: Marsh Creek Conditions

    There is some pretty lame stuff going in on the west side too, over by the new lot on Dorlan Mill. One trail follows the gas line cut. It is just straight, no flow, exposed, kind of pointless and will probably erode badly over time.

    We'll find out more on Thursday night, there is a public meeting about the rogue trails. Meeting is at the French Creek office.

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    Is there a map that reflects the sanctioned / approved trails? I know PATH has been remapping for the upcoming meeting...

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    The paper maps they have at the park have the major trails outlined. They're pretty old and outdated but are probably best representation of what is officially sanctioned, since they are "official."

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    Did anyone go to the meeting last night? I inteded too but was stuck in a work meeting until 5pm (in allentown)

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    haven't been over to marsh in a few weeks... last i was there a few sections were getting pretty overgrown... has this changed at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonkranked View Post
    haven't been over to marsh in a few weeks... last i was there a few sections were getting pretty overgrown... has this changed at all?
    A lot of cutting back took place during a work night a few weeks ago. They did a great job. I'm more concerned with how wet it has been with the almost daily thunderstorms.
    Anyone know how that's been?
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    I was out there yesterday for a bit, not too bad out there. A little mud in the usual spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoaster View Post
    A lot of cutting back took place during a work night a few weeks ago. They did a great job. I'm more concerned with how wet it has been with the almost daily thunderstorms.
    Anyone know how that's been?
    good to know. thanks for the update. this random rain needs to stop.

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    Has anyone been on the trails yet today? I'm assuming they are still muddy in the usual spots but I am hoping maybe they're rideable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperbam View Post
    Has anyone been on the trails yet today? I'm assuming they are still muddy in the usual spots but I am hoping maybe they're rideable.
    I'd like to hit it on Sunday. Hopefully coming down with some other riders from the Lancaster area. Condition report appreciated if someone can chime in with that info.
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    I rode today and actually turned around and quit my ride early. Its just too sloppy; I couldn't ride at a normal pace and I didn't want to do any more damage.

    I would suggest avoiding Marsh Creek for the next few days, the humidity is not helping either.

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    That helps me narrow the decision between the Hill or White clay tonight, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jongalt26 View Post
    That helps me make the decision between the Hill or White clay tonight, thanks!
    Where are these 2 places and what are they like?

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    Harmony hill
    is in downingtown, the top of the hill parking lot can be found at 1200 skelp level road. It's kind of hard to see but there is a white strip line painted across the road, perpendicular to travel, before and after the entrance. It's a fun place to ride and drains a lot better than Marsh Creek. The downfall is that the trails are limted in length but they're still a lot of fun. You're either going uphill or downhill. If you google harmony hill trail map the first link will have a PDF to download. The fastest way to get back up, i've found, is take the paved trail to access connector 3, ride up the connector to green and then follow green up.

    White Clay DE is near longwood gardens, about an 45mins to 60 mins from Downingtown.
    White clay are the fastest trails around on this side of PA. They are extremely smooth, manicured and even when you see a root there is usually a rock build up and fall off. I think there are about 35 miles to the main trail system and supposedly another 20-40 miles if you included the surrounding area. There is also a skills park with elevated bridges, wood rollers, banked turns, a couple of jumps, rock garden etc.
    I definitely recommend checking this place out, its well worth the drive.

    Other place worth checking out:
    Nockamixon, about 1 1/4 hours away, north of warrington up 611. Fantastic 10-12 mile loop with a lot of variation, not good after rains.

    Wissahickon, Northwest Philly, near conshohocken / plymouth meeting, drains well and can be ridden after a decent rain. a bit chunky / technical and has some great sections including a nice downhill with huge rollers.

    and others...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jongalt26 View Post
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    is in downingtown, the top of the hill parking lot can be found at 1200 skelp level road. It's kind of hard to see but there is a white strip line painted across the road, perpendicular to travel, before and after the entrance. It's a fun place to ride and drains a lot better than Marsh Creek. The downfall is that the trails are limted in length but they're still a lot of fun. You're either going uphill or downhill. If you google harmony hill trail map the first link will have a PDF to download. The fastest way to get back up, i've found, is take the paved trail to access connector 3, ride up the connector to green and then follow green up.

    White Clay DE is near longwood gardens, about an 45mins to 60 mins from Downingtown.
    White clay are the fastest trails around on this side of PA. They are extremely smooth, manicured and even when you see a root there is usually a rock build up and fall off. I think there are about 35 miles to the main trail system and supposedly another 20-40 miles if you included the surrounding area. There is also a skills park with elevated bridges, wood rollers, banked turns, a couple of jumps, rock garden etc.
    I definitely recommend checking this place out, its well worth the drive.

    Other place worth checking out:
    Nockamixon, about 1 1/4 hours away, north of warrington up 611. Fantastic 10-12 mile loop with a lot of variation, not good after rains.

    Wissahickon, Northwest Philly, near conshohocken / plymouth meeting, drains well and can be ridden after a decent rain. a bit chunky / technical and has some great sections including a nice downhill with huge rollers.

    and others...
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    here's a partial list of trails in the Philly area, limited to those accessible by regional rail and a 5 mile or less ride to the trailhead.

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    Cool, thx. Guys.

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    I was at MC this evening, there's a new section of trail constructed by the guys from chester county bicycles that seems like it will be great once it is worn in a bit. It's still a little soft and a couple of bridges have to be put in (tomorrow evening those are being done). There were some people out trimming the overgrowth that was getting a bit out of hand in preparation for the race this weekend. The trails are pretty dry considering how much rain we've had. There was a lot of Lycra out there with people prepping for the race but it was actually nice to see some other people out. Usually I see 1 or 2 other riders on weekdays at MC, this evening I probably crossed paths with 20 or more. Watch out for other riders if you're there in the next couple of days, lots of traffic.

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    So.... Was the new trail rogue or approved?

    How long is the race.... I'd like to hit Marsh Sunday AM. Is there a trail running race again this year after the night mtb race finishes? At least I think that's what I remember happening last year......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoaster View Post
    So.... Was the new trail rogue or approved?

    How long is the race.... I'd like to hit Marsh Sunday AM. Is there a trail running race again this year after the night mtb race finishes? At least I think that's what I remember happening last year......
    The new trail is approved. The mtb race is 10, 15, or 20 miles (I think) depending on category and they will be using the new section of trail for the race. Not sure about the running race but that does sound familiar to me too and it would make sense to do them both after all of the trail maintenance was just completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoaster View Post
    So.... Was the new trail rogue or approved?

    How long is the race.... I'd like to hit Marsh Sunday AM. Is there a trail running race again this year after the night mtb race finishes? At least I think that's what I remember happening last year......

    There was a running race a couple of weeks ago so I dont think there is one this weekend (after the night races).
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    The Night MTB race finishes..... ~what time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flowy View Post
    The new trail is approved.
    where's the new trail located? i was there yesterday and didn't come across anything that looked freshly cut.

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    New trail is off of the bonus loop, and connects all the way to the gravel road near Dorlan Mill and the new parking lot. Goes near and past alot of the existing trails. Hard to explain where to pick it up from w/in the bonus loop, best way to find it would be to start from Dorlan Mill and the gravel road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtskibum View Post
    New trail is off of the bonus loop, and connects all the way to the gravel road near Dorlan Mill and the new parking lot. Goes near and past alot of the existing trails. Hard to explain where to pick it up from w/in the bonus loop, best way to find it would be to start from Dorlan Mill and the gravel road.
    Yea, the best way to locate it the first time is to take the gravel road up towards Dorlan Mill road. Where it links up with the existing trail on the other end is tougher to explain but it is pretty close to the long bridge near the see-saw. The only other thing to note is that some of the new trail intersects with an older trail, the new trail is marked by little orange flags. Follow the flags to stay on the new trail.

    It also looks like the new trail might continue on the other side of the gravel road, not sure how far or exactly where that goes but I may check it out this evening.

    I think the trails in MC might need names, other than the bonus loop it's hard to describe what is what. Actually I'm not sure how well defined the bonus loop is, I've always thought of it as the loop that can be done beginning and ending at the seesaw but maybe it's more than that.

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    We got a metric shit-ton of rain today things may be wet through Saturday at least and I think there's more rain forecast for the weekend. This summer has been ridiculous.

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    When you say wet trails are we talking rideable or just a waste of time? Was planning on riding today but it poured. Never been so I don't know how bad it gets after down pours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topics64 View Post
    When you say wet trails are we talking rideable or just a waste of time? Was planning on riding today but it poured. Never been so I don't know how bad it gets after down pours.
    For today I would recommend French Creek which is about 15 minutes from Marsh Creek. I think it tends to dry out faster and being rockier will have less mud. If it stays sunny all day today Marsh Creek might be worth a shot this evening. For the rest of the weekend it looks like, based on the forecast, the crack of dawn on Saturday may be the best window to ride.

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    If anyone happens to get there today, can you post an update? I want to take a friend for his first ride and was thinking about Marsh Creek instead of Harmony Hill since I know Harmony may give him a heart attack. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thyamine View Post
    If anyone happens to get there today, can you post an update? I want to take a friend for his first ride and was thinking about Marsh Creek instead of Harmony Hill since I know Harmony may give him a heart attack. =)
    I may try a night ride tonight, will provide an update if I make it out there.

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    I am here now and its very rideable. Some puddles but nothing I would consider wet conditions. A trail by my house Nockamixon... When it's wet it's no fun at ALL!

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    Anybody ride today? Conditions report? May try riding there tommarrow.

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    Going to be riding in a bit at MC, so I'll post an update on conditions when I can.
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    Sounds good, I will not be riding till late afternoon some time.

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    The conditions are pretty good today, and the temperature was great. The wet spots you expect to see were muddy, but for the most part the trails were good.
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    Never got to Marsh last time, Think i'm going there solo tommarrow morning to explore the trails instead of french creek. I know we had some rain looking for a trail update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammin View Post
    I know we had some rain looking for a trail update.
    I did both west & east of the dam incl. the new trail. Conditions are good with the only exception being the standard mud bogs.
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    Mostly good on dam side today. One part of new trail was super muddy but was told there is bridging built that's gonna go over that eventually.

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    I think i'm finally going to hit Marsh up tommarow afternoon, Not sure why i have just been putting it off, If i do just the Dam side how many miles can i get in over there? I access the chalfant rd. parking lot off 100, It's a bit longer drive to get to the west Dock lot. I remember we use to ride from the chalfant rd. lot through the woods across the grass to the boat launch, We still able to do that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jammin View Post
    I think i'm finally going to hit Marsh up tommarow afternoon, Not sure why i have just been putting it off, If i do just the Dam side how many miles can i get in over there? I access the chalfant rd. parking lot off 100, It's a bit longer drive to get to the west Dock lot. I remember we use to ride from the chalfant rd. lot through the woods across the grass to the boat launch, We still able to do that?
    My gps says about 11 or 12 miles when I start from there and do 2 laps around the bonus loop, I guess 9 or 10 miles if you do 1 bonus loop lap. I like to do it once each way.

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    I rode MC yesterday and it was in really good shape. A couple of muddy spots in the usual locations but overall it was a great ride.

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    Just got home from MC, First ride there in i don't know how many years. Trails are alot of fun but didn't know where the heck i was going lol. Only got 8 miles in, rode the dam side. I never saw the seasaw, I think i was on a couple trails twice. Kind of had to tell. Need to get out there more. Saw at least 5 others out there, some need to slow down a little around the blind turns.
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    Has anyone been out today? I was hoping to get out today, but with the rain I'm thinking the trails are a mess.
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    Re: Marsh Creek Conditions

    Riding them right now. They are fine, usual soft spots, not bad at all.

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    Anybody riding Marsh tommarrow?
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    The strong wind over the weekend put lots of fallen branches and vines across the trails.
    Just a heads-up. (literally)

    I'm also very surprised by the number of riders who passed me today without offering to lend a hand in clearing the trail.

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    Hey all. Merry Christmas and happy holidays. I rode Marsh Creek today and the trails were in really good shape with the exception of the lake trail. Basically avoid the boat launch to the woods and the rest is fine.

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    Kind of pointless I guess with the weather that we've been having... but I drive a bit to get to Marsh.... Anyone been out?
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    I've heard that St. Pete's is in decent shape with some soft spots but rideable. MC will be better in sub 30 degree weather. I bet Trexler in Allentown is in good shape though.


    This per a friend that rode there yesterday:
    I rode a bunch of MC trails on the boat launch side, mostly up and down the ridge above the Brandywine and around the quarry. I was pleasantly surprised at how decent the trails were, I was expecting to turning back quickly. I was on the Fatty which has more float. The trails are about 80% rideable, with some spots that are super soft. I bet the bonus loop is ok, except for the bog part of the new trail. The lakeside trail will be bad near the dam, and really bad near the bridge turn (should be avoided).
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    Bonus loop / damn side is mostly good to go with exception of a few downed trees that will require chain saws and a couple of people. There still a bit of mud but nothing we aren't used to.
    Boat launch side, from what I understand, needs a bit of work but that is currently unconfirmed.
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