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    Rode Sandy Ridge this morning, haven't ridden out there for a month or so and Hide and Seek is one beat down MF'er...Blown out corners, brake bumps into the corners and in the middle of berms, multiple lines around rocks and roots on the upper trail and people are even cutting the corners on the paver section on lower Hide and Seek.

    I wonder how she'll hold up to the final stage of the Oregon Enduro Series? Not well, I'm sure.

    I still enjoyed the trail, but damn, people need to ride within there skill level.
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    I did hear machinery above the road near the midway drop-in on Hide and Seek. Can't wait to see what they're building.

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    these late season trail conditions make me appreciate my 6" travel ride a lot more!

    anybody know when the next trail maintence day is scheduled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etacata View Post
    anybody know when the next trail maintence day is scheduled?
    I'd bet when the rains start.

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    It always seem blown up to me. I'm glad the microwave trail has been built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Rode Sandy Ridge this morning, haven't ridden out there for a month or so and Hide and Seek is one beat down MF'er...Blown out corners, brake bumps into the corners and in the middle of berms, multiple lines around rocks and roots on the upper trail and people are even cutting the corners on the paver section on lower Hide and Seek.

    I wonder how she'll hold up to the final stage of the Oregon Enduro Series? Not well, I'm sure.

    I still enjoyed the trail, but damn, people need to ride within there skill level.
    I thought that it was in very poor shape on my last excursion. Due as much to the skill level as the lack of moisture. I believe that many riders are way over there head here. Who attempted to remove that large tree root on Hide & Seek? That reminded me of the "whimpification" of Browns Camp. Thanks for the warning. I had told myself that a trip back must include at least a bit of moisture. Bad manners are the default I suppose.
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    Rode it today. And it... was... glorious! Sure, the track has it's share of braking bumps, but still faster and flowy-ier than anything else in the area. Rode Communcation Breakdown for the first time today. Not sure it's worth the extra little bit of climbing.

    Speaking of over my head, I'm only 1 for 4 on that rock drop at the beginning of Two Turntables. Once didn't have enough speed and twice missed the line by bowling over the rocks on the left. Is it just me or do both of the run-ins to the rock drops at Sandy make them harder than they should be?!

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    It's just a very popular option now for Portland folks. Given the packed parking lot every weekend, dry summer, I'd say I'm pleasantly surprised with how Sandy Ridge is holding up. Sure it's a bit thrashed, but it's been getting heavy use all summer.
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    The other day I actually tried connecting with Communication Breakdown off of QuidProFlow. CB peaks in the middle so you do have a little downhill coming back around to the Rock Drop descent. Not a bad way to add a little miles if its not crowded out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    It's just a very popular option now for Portland folks. Given the packed parking lot every weekend, dry summer, I'd say I'm pleasantly surprised with how Sandy Ridge is holding up. Sure it's a bit thrashed, but it's been getting heavy use all summer.
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down. Maybe some rear brakes should be disconnected too. Does popularity excuse the new spider web trails as well?
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    Dumbing down is never OK

    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down.
    Agreed. I wonder if the removal of obstacles is official or unofficial? Either way, it's weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down. Maybe some rear brakes should be disconnected too. Does popularity excuse the new spider web trails as well?
    The root removed you speak of was more than likely done to allow for continued/non-altered speed on upper H&S, as the goal of design is to be a "flow" trail with consistent speed from top to bottom and why it is one-way recommended traffic as well (the trail was originally intended for flow and speed) Whereas, QPF, Two Turntables trails offer a little more tech and the new trail section on the NE side of Rd. 14 is suppose to be even more naturally techy with bigger stuff to ride as well. Will be awesome when done as it starts at top of H&S (across from kiosk) to just below the connector to lower H&S on opposite side of Rd. I looked up at that location the last time I was there where trail is flagged off of Rd and could see a huge natural rock drop slab (with ride around options of course )
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    The root removed you speak of was more than likely done to allow for continued/non-altered speed on upper H&S, as the goal of design is to be a "flow" trail with consistent speed from top to bottom and why it is one-way recommended traffic as well (the trail was originally intended for flow and speed) Whereas, QPF, Two Turntables trails offer a little more tech and the new trail section on the NE side of Rd. 14 is suppose to be even more naturally techy with bigger stuff to ride as well. Will be awesome when done as it starts at top of H&S (across from kiosk) to just below the connector to lower H&S on opposite side of Rd. I looked up at that location the last time I was there where trail is flagged off of Rd and could see a huge natural rock drop slab (with ride around options of course )
    The quality of the work just did not match everything else on Sandy. The root was easily jumped with speed as my best ally. It appeared to have been done by someone with less direction. I was certainly not *****in' about tech features as they have existed. It just plain looks like "this one root really messes with my line". I am sure that you, for instance, have never been hampered by this root... seriously. OT... I really enjoy Sandy Ridge... looking forward to late fall up there.
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    I miss that root. There was something enjoyable about using it to jump that whole section or just plowing over it. Thanks to whoever doesn't have the balls to learn how to ride a trail properly we all suffer. I'm looking forward to the new trail if its truly going to be a tech advanced trail. Any word on when it will be done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I miss that root. There was something enjoyable about using it to jump that whole section or just plowing over it. Thanks to whoever doesn't have the balls to learn how to ride a trail properly we all suffer. I'm looking forward to the new trail if its truly going to be a tech advanced trail. Any word on when it will be done?
    Same root? I too miss the small rock-faced root launch on left of trail about 1/4 mile above bridge as you approach a straight-away section at speed after a couple speedy s-turn sections (just before where Two Turntables use to unofficiaclly come out before the lower section was completed). I use to love launching off that at speed into with enough speed and momentum to not have to pedal all the way to oncoming corner after the longish bumpy/stuttery straightaway section. The big root that was a a total speed trap above this, required one to have to slow down and pedal/hop up and over. This was right after the somewhat newly sanitized rocky section before left turn that is better and faster now since revised IMO as well. And yes I have got my tire hung up on that root a time or two, once during the 2010 Super D. Bad enough, that I was totally off the bike and fumbling for seconds to get bike re-oriented between the trees and back on the trail. Somehow was able to place 1st in my Cat to my surprise, must of made up for it on the other sections .
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    True, but why the obstacle removal? If you can't ride it that does not give license to dumb it down. Maybe some rear brakes should be disconnected too. Does popularity excuse the new spider web trails as well?
    I find it funny that many of the root/rock ride-a-round routes are harder than just going over the rock/root, even rolling them at moderate speed.
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    I've ridden Sandy Ridge quite a bit this year and it is noticeable how worn the trail is getting compared to earlier in the season. The blown out corners and brake bumps I can live with, but I can't believe people are short cutting through the paver section.

    Don't get me wrong, there's nothing up there that is bad, but I have to say my favorite section of trail at Sandy Ridge is the Upper section of Hide and Seek from the kiosk to the midway drop-in, I love the rocky rooty stuff. And that man made rocky section on Quid Pro Flow is damn good too. If the rumors are true about the new trail being super technical, I wouldn't be more happy.

    And IMO, speed is what makes TT&M technical, the trail is nothing at lower speeds, but take it up a notch, and the whoops and little g-outs change the trail characteristics very fast. I've found the opposite with upper Hide & Seek, the more I learn the trail the faster I've been riding it and with more speed it seems much easier.

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    TT&M sure is fun at speed. Can't wait till fall when I can rip that trail in damp conditions. All that wet rock will be SOOO fun! Is it me or did the trail wreckers dumb down the dropping big right turn on upper HS. That has a nice rocky elevation drop into a rocky right cornered berm. If you choose the right line with enough speed you can just about jump half the section landing in the sweet spot of the berm. I'd also note that the berms on QPF that are starting to show baby heads are a blast on a 6'' bike. I really hope they leave them alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    TT&M sure is fun at speed. Can't wait till fall when I can rip that trail in damp conditions. All that wet rock will be SOOO fun! Is it me or did the trail wreckers dumb down the dropping big right turn on upper HS. That has a nice rocky elevation drop into a rocky right cornered berm. If you choose the right line with enough speed you can just about jump half the section landing in the sweet spot of the berm. I'd also note that the berms on QPF that are starting to show baby heads are a blast on a 6'' bike. I really hope they leave them alone.
    I could not agree more about TT&M at speed. It is the only place up there that I don't want to be on the HT SSPD. Suspension and 8" rotors fit so well on this section. Cheers to that moisture element too!
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    Agreed: TT&M at speed = pure pleasure

    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    I could not agree more about TT&M at speed.
    It's over too fast, but it's so nice while it lasts. Well done to those who built it and PLEASE don't sanitize it!
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    Rode Sandy Friday after work and yeah it's pretty blown out (not much more than this time last year though). A lot of guys there getting in some practice runs for the race, and this will obviously add to how blown out it will get. Not sure I understand the concept of shuttle days or events held on our fragile local trails that just kill them for the rest of us. Can someone explain that to me? Don't even get me started on the genius idea of throwing 3/4 rock down everywhere.

    Also to anybody that is or knows anybody who is cutting the roots out of Browns camp please STOP! There are very few challenges on our trails and if I catch anybody robbing me of them your tools are getting tossed down the ravine. Have a nice day.

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    Crying shame about browns camp. I can't speak for events being held on our local trails as I partake in those events. I will say that some event organizers plan trial maintenance as part of using the trails.

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    I rode Sandy today and yes there are some major braking pot holes appearing all over the place. Lower Hide and Seek has been getting these for a while, but today I noticed that 2 Turntables is getting beat up by brake happy folks. This is most definitely from novice riders riding the breaks way too much most definitely, but today I was riding close to some so called expert or advanced riders that are here for the race tomorrow and they were skidding all over the place as well.

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    Area is getting hammered by over use, bad winter weather, and so so dirt. Great effort! I do wonder if it should be closed more when it becomes hammered by winter weather. I'm not convinced that skidding is the major problem but I am not an expert on such things....

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    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    Rode Sandy Friday after work and yeah it's pretty blown out (not much more than this time last year though). A lot of guys there getting in some practice runs for the race, and this will obviously add to how blown out it will get. Not sure I understand the concept of shuttle days or events held on our fragile local trails that just kill them for the rest of us. Can someone explain that to me? Don't even get me started on the genius idea of throwing 3/4 rock down everywhere.

    Also to anybody that is or knows anybody who is cutting the roots out of Browns camp please STOP! There are very few challenges on our trails and if I catch anybody robbing me of them your tools are getting tossed down the ravine. Have a nice day.
    Are you serious... I did not think that there was anything left to remove? What a shame.When roots and rocks are removed the trail will not remain intact. Don't they get it. They think that the root took them out... wait 'til the giant rut dislocates there shoulder! All the suspension out there and people need to do this? The brake drag is what makes the brake bumps, btw. The shuttle thing is kinda cute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    Rode Sandy Friday after work and yeah it's pretty blown out (not much more than this time last year though).
    About this time last year I had bounced my head off of a tree, so I don't have much to compare this year too.

    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    A lot of guys there getting in some practice runs for the race, and this will obviously add to how blown out it will get. Not sure I understand the concept of shuttle days or events held on our fragile local trails that just kill them for the rest of us. Can someone explain that to me?
    I'm kind of torn on on this one...On one hand, all the extra tires can't be a good thing, but on the other, I do believe the race promoters usually do give back.

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    Don't even get me started on the genius idea of throwing 3/4 rock down everywhere.
    I agree with you here, but it is much better than it was earlier in the year. That section under the power lines sure is loose with the rock over the top of the hard pack.

    Quote Originally Posted by big JC View Post
    Also to anybody that is or knows anybody who is cutting the roots out of Browns camp please STOP! There are very few challenges on our trails and if I catch anybody robbing me of them your tools are getting tossed down the ravine. Have a nice day.
    This is too bad.


    If anybody wants to ride some super technical trails, I'm hoping to get up to the Wright Meadow and Craggy Peak trails in late September, as long as it doesn't start raining before then. I rode it in early August and hit snow about a mile before the Boundary Trail. I guarantee the descent will leave you smiling for weeks. And, yeah...If you've ever been up there, it's a bit ironic to put this in a thread whining about trail quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    About this time last year I had bounced my head off of a tree, so I don't have much to compare this year too.



    I'm kind of torn on on this one...On one hand, all the extra tires can't be a good thing, but on the other, I do believe the race promoters usually do give back.



    I agree with you here, but it is much better than it was earlier in the year. That section under the power lines sure is loose with the rock over the top of the hard pack.



    This is too bad.


    If anybody wants to ride some super technical trails, I'm hoping to get up to the Wright Meadow and Craggy Peak trails in late September, as long as it doesn't start raining before then. I rode it in early August and hit snow about a mile before the Boundary Trail. I guarantee the descent will leave you smiling for weeks. And, yeah...If you've ever been up there, it's a bit ironic to put this in a thread whining about trail quality.
    Weekends are best. I like it up there. Rain would be even better. It would be the first excursion to that area this year. pm... Snake should go as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    Weekends are best. I like it up there. Rain would be even better. It would be the first excursion to that area this year. pm... Snake should go as well
    Probably be the last weekend of September.

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    Help out a Sandy Ridge noob?

    Never been to Sandy Rdige, but picked up a map from the forest service last time I was out that way. Looks like the best place to park is Homestead Gate (I assume you can't drive up Homestead Rd)? Then you ride up Homestead to the main entrance to the trails, which looks like about 800ft climb over a couple of miles? Thanks guys!

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    I rode the system today, It is pretty damn rutted from the contest. Also, the organizers left their tape, signs, and cones all over. Pretty lame, I hope they have plans to clean up their crap but I doubt it. I think that there should be a mandatory work day post contest for any organizers that want to use the trail system.

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    pdxer, there's a new parking area for SR now so you don't park at the gate. And yes, you can't drive up Homestead. Road ride to the various trail access points.

    I rode lower H&S last week (only has a short time for a ride) and it was blown to hell, worst I've ever seen it, even after last year's race. Too bad the promoters didn't make plans for cleanup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danguskhan View Post
    I rode the system today, It is pretty damn rutted from the contest. Also, the organizers left their tape, signs, and cones all over. Pretty lame, I hope they have plans to clean up their crap but I doubt it. I think that there should be a mandatory work day post contest for any organizers that want to use the trail system.
    They were too busy driving up the "climb". Too bad... a few years back they actually improved Dog River. That lasted about two weeks. Since that event trail restoration after gravity events has been about zero. Rain and CX may provide some relief for the trails.
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    I don't think the tape and cones will just be left. The race finished about 4pm on sunday and then the event staff had to go strait into the awards that lasted till about 9pm. All of the staff for the enduro race are volunteers for the most part and they can't be expected to have it all cleaned and the trails groomed to fit everyones needs over night. I know that proceeds from the race go directly into the trails and trail programs in the area as well.

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    I rode Sandy Ridge today. It looks like the ribbon, signs and garbage (except for a huge pile in bags near the bathroom) have been cleaned up.

    I was a little surprised on the condition of the trail. It's much worse than before the Enduro race last weekend, but not nearly as bad as I was thinking it would be. There are some big, and I mean big brake bumps into some, if not all of the corners on lower Hide and Seek.

    I think I now know which root poppa is talking about. It looks like somebody went in with a ax and chopped out a small section of the root. It seems much worse now than before.

    Does anybody know if we can just go up and do work? I assume not, but I'd love to go up with a broom and sweep off the gravel on that twisty section under the power lines. On a positive note, it appears the high number of tires over the weekend did push some of it out of the groove.

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    I think we all want the gravel gone so if you pushed it out with a broom we'd all look the other way. Even some of the pro racers were complaining about the gravel.

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    I'm going to be in OR next week and Sandy Ridge is on the itinerary. I hope it's as much fun as the IMBA guy told us, and I'll be sure to lay off the brakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I think we all want the gravel gone so if you pushed it out with a broom we'd all look the other way. Even some of the pro racers were complaining about the gravel.
    I wonder if a push broom would be best or one of those old straw types?



    And to add, there was a pile of broken glass in the parking lot, I assume from a broken window.

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    Well I'm planning on hitting Sandy on the 13th - birthday night out and need a ride so I guess I'll take what I can in the way of trail conditions

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    I'm assuming the Enduro Series will either do clean up trail work or give money to NWTA. Most of the endurance events I have done have given lots of money to the local IMBA chapter. I forget how much money the High Cascade 100 gave to COTA but it was a lot.

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    I rode out there for the first time in a few months due to an injury. I actually like that it's a bit worked and blown out... adds a bit of challenge.

    The removal of that root is inexcusable though. I just couldn't believe it when I came up in that section, so sad.

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    While yes, races do give the trail lots of rubber on the ground, as mentioned, often that can almost improve the trails. The groove will be more solid, which you can't "man make". Filling some holes, that will eventually happen any way, is easier than "wearing in" a surface to make it good and fast.

    You guys should see Whoops trail here in Bend. No race traffic, but crap it looks like 50 Enduros came through here.
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    Sandy Ridge race video for all you that missed it! Devon put on a great race, check it out!

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    Anybody doing singlespeed at Sandy Ridge? Got a good recommendation for a noobie to get up the f'ing hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yard View Post
    Anybody doing singlespeed at Sandy Ridge? Got a good recommendation for a noobie to get up the f'ing hill?
    I always ride the SSPD up there. 29'R 32X18,19,20 any choice is fine. One friend ran a 32x16, he STOOD UP ALOT.
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    Yeah I was 29er 33x17 and walked a good portion. Oops.. haha Though doing it as a shuttle would be perfect as the downhill of everything else was conducive to the gearing..

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    I make it easy on myself. I ride 32 x 22 on a 29er. At that gearing I can sit and pedal much of the uphill and I am still fine spinning coming down.
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    Been wanting to try that one...still haven't made it out there yet..

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    Anyone know the progress of the new east side trail? I haven't heard or seen any equipment up there for a while and have not seen any build days for the new trail.

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    walked up there a week ago to have a look. Nice trail! Seems like its got some technical rock sections and a few good drops,

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    I can't wait! Sandy really needs some gnar.

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    I've been on it. It's definitely some good and more technical terrain, but I'm personally bummed that everything here here is pretty much built to imba grading standards. Soo, even through the tough stuff it's still a wide trail with short tech sections and banked switchbacks. I'd really like to see some steeper narrow fall line stuff like you see in BC. The location of the new trail is perfect for that, they'd just need to put a couple of differen down lines in. Maybe it's in the plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    I've been on it. It's definitely some good and more technical terrain, but I'm personally bummed that everything here here is pretty much built to imba grading standards. Soo, even through the tough stuff it's still a wide trail with short tech sections and banked switchbacks. I'd really like to see some steeper narrow fall line stuff like you see in BC. The location of the new trail is perfect for that, they'd just need to put a couple of differen down lines in. Maybe it's in the plans.
    I haven't been on it yet, but I have to agree with the lack of "Fall line trails". I'd go as far as to say most of Oregon and SW Washington are missing these types of trail.

    Although we don't have this type of terrain in the PNW, this is the type of riding I'd like to see more of ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I haven't been on it yet, but I have to agree with the lack of "Fall line trails". I'd go as far as to say most of Oregon and SW Washington are missing these types of trail.

    Although we don't have this type of terrain in the PNW, this is the type of riding I'd like to see more of
    Yep. If you've ridden the xc in whistler pemby squamish or similar, you'll know what I'm talking about. This is an extreme example, but google jack the ripper in pemberton to see what's possible. Guys that clean that trail have my total respect

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Yep. If you've ridden the xc in whistler pemby squamish or similar, you'll know what I'm talking about. This is an extreme example, but google jack the ripper in pemberton to see what's possible. Guys that clean that trail have my total respect
    Wow, Jack the Ripper looks like a tough one. My Canadian riding experience is limited to a few trips to Rossland, which does have plenty of trails with a high pucker factor too.

    It would be amazing to have trails like these in the area. We definitely have the terrain to build them on.

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    It would be amazing to have trails like these in the area. We definitely have the terrain to build them on.
    We already do have trails like this in the high Gorge and around Mt. Hood, but they just happen to all be in wilderness areas
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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Yep. If you've ridden the xc in whistler pemby squamish or similar, you'll know what I'm talking about. This is an extreme example, but google jack the ripper in pemberton to see what's possible. Guys that clean that trail have my total respect
    Thanks for the Jack the Ripper suggestion. The video I saw looked like what "some" of us want. A rugged trail dropping from the sky. Who is lining up a Pemberton trip next year? I am in. Plus, I agree with jgusta in regards to what is available in our region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    Who is lining up a Pemberton trip next year? I am in.
    Me too as I am tentatively planning a Pemby/Whistler Valley/Squamish trip next summer, especially after riding there for the first time this past summer, with exception of Pemby though. According to Whistler locals, that is where most of them go to get some longer trail descents in as most of the valley trails don't have as much vertical gain/loss, outside of the bike park of course. I also was surprised to hear how many guys who work in the bike shops that rarely ride the park for prefence to other places in the area. I just want to hit the bike park for the "Top of World" trail when it officially done next year!

    Let's plan a trip, I already have some beta on good, longer descending Pemby rides and you would like riding with the guys I went with last year as they all like to pedal and hit fun stuff to ride. Whistler Village makes a great base camp as you can ride right from the condo to cool trails (I ran into the biggest bear I have ever seen one early evening right before dusk on trail just 1/2 mile from condo). And Whistler is pretty much exactly geographically in between Pemberton and Squamish at only 30 minutes away from each to the north and south. We had a nice place in North Village Whistler (outskirts of main Village with great access to surrounding Valley trails and to bike park as well) and only cost about $155/person for 4 nights with three dudes. We rode one day in Squamish on the way to Whistler, three days on trails in the Whistler Valley with one 1/2 day in bike park and hit Squamish again on our way back home. It was just about the perfect amount of time to ride without being away from the families for too long of 4nights/5 days.
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    If this Canada trip materializes, I'd venture north with you guys. I definitely want to ride the "Top of the World" trail.

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    Wow, that video in colorado was pretty awesome, i want to ride there! I have to pep-talk myself when it gets technical and rocky and i'm sure i'd walk a couple sections, but that looks like a ton of fun! Another place on my someday list.

    I'm going to Sandy Ridge on monday, it'll be my first time there. Looking forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    Thanks for the Jack the Ripper suggestion. The video I saw looked like what "some" of us want. A rugged trail dropping from the sky. Who is lining up a Pemberton trip next year? I am in. Plus, I agree with jgusta in regards to what is available in our region.
    Its hands down the hardest trail I have ever attempted, and I walked alot of stuff, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

    Interesting timing on my comment. There is an article on trail design in the new Dirt Rag. I generally don't start many new threads, but maybe I'll put one in passion since its probably better suited over there.

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    Just rode sandy today and had a great time. I was quite surprised at how much grip is available when it's wet.

    With the amount of traffic this place gets I can't imagine a fall line style trail lasting very long. It's still a good time though.
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    We rode Sandy yesterday and it was a perfect day. The Turntable is an awesome trail. Great trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    We rode Sandy yesterday and it was a perfect day. The Turntable is an awesome trail. Great trail.
    Nice, glad you like it.

    Here's a ride I did there today with nice left shoulder clip of tree that sent me off of bike mid-way down. One of the many benefits of using 780mm bars . Good times on the ridge today!

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    Great to hear. Headed back up there tomorrow after work.

    Where are the jump lines and Little Monkey at? I don't remember them being on the mounted map and cant download the new one off the BLM site now for some reason. Thanks!

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    they are on the right as you are headed up the road just before the power lines corner. There isn't really signage for it besides some home made signs. The jump trails aren't officially part of Sandy Ridge.

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    Nice, glad you like it.

    Here's a ride I did there today with nice left shoulder clip of tree that sent me off of bike mid-way down. One of the many benefits of using 780mm bars . Good times on the ridge today!
    The trails has perfect pitch and is flowy the whole way down. Really well built!
    I enjoyed the views from up top! Communication Breakdown is a hoot also.
    I was blown away by the parking lot and all the work done up there. A great effort.

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    wfo and i rode little monkey at the end of our ride. It was pretty fun. I'm a total wimp and enjoyed the small jumps. Next time we'll have to try the other trail that starts parallel with little monkey, I can't remember the name of it now. Is it just a bigger jump line?

    Things were wet but traction was still surprisingly good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Nice, glad you like it.

    Here's a ride I did there today with nice left shoulder clip of tree that sent me off of bike mid-way down. One of the many benefits of using 780mm bars . Good times on the ridge today!
    I should have been with you yesterday. Nice video, I like the "RE-DO" caption. It looks good out there. I better get the purple bike ready soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    Nice, glad you like it.

    Here's a ride I did there today with nice left shoulder clip of tree that sent me off of bike mid-way down. One of the many benefits of using 780mm bars . Good times on the ridge today!
    :^) Nice footage - that tree has jumped out in front of my shoulder as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    :^) Nice footage - that tree has jumped out in front of my shoulder as well.
    Thanks, added some tunes to clip that was playing in my noggin that ride. Must of put me in a trance before I kissed the tree
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    Thanks, added some tunes to clip that was playing in my noggin that ride. Must of put me in a trance before I kissed the tree
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    Is sandy rideable year round?

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    No sandy is not ridable all year so stay away from it It gets ridden all year but some times BLM will close the trails for a few months due to trail conditions.

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    Mostly, yes.

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    Is sandy rideable year round?
    But it does get some snow and ice at times.
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    Ya, The Trail Masters at SR have built trails that dont hold water. All Year riding excepy when its pouring out. Wait a day after a good rain and its ready to go.

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    That's some of the best soil when wet, I was real surprised. Real sticky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by free-agent View Post
    But it does get some snow and ice at times.
    Sandy in the snow is good times!!!

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    All that gravel thats so annoying in the summer seats nice in the soft soil when wet and makes it like riding sandpaper.

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    Thanks for the info. Went today and the dirt was perfect.

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    I was out there today too. It is amazing how good the dirt is when its a little damp. It is not at all muddy. The trail holds together way better than it did during the singletrack dust storms of August.

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    Thanksgiving morning the trails were great. The upper elevation trails(rock drop, quid pro, two turntables) were nice and tacky. The lower elevation stuff was a little soggy in places with some standing water in the usual places/braking holes. It was a good ride and I seen a lot of other people gettin some wile it's still good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    Thanksgiving morning the trails were great. The upper elevation trails(rock drop, quid pro, two turntables) were nice and tacky. The lower elevation stuff was a little soggy in places with some standing water in the usual places/braking holes. It was a good ride and I seen a lot of other people gettin some wile it's still good.
    I sure was thankful. It was a great day to ride a mountain bike. It may be the first Thanksgiving that I did not ride a road bike. I will always be thankful for that. I just wish that I would have had all day to spend at Sandy. Nice people out there yesterday too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    I just wish that I would have had all day to spend at Sandy.
    Ditto this, as I didn't want to leave despite a botchy drivetrain that day.
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    Anyone go today? Thinking of going tomorrow and wondering how it is. . Thanks

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    Considering how little it rained since T-day, I bet it's going to be good. I'm headed to Syncline tomorrow.

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    It was good on thursday and it barely rained since then so I think sandy should be good to go for sunday. Enjoy, I might make it out myself.

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    Lower section ripped tonight upper was pretty tough in some areas - I'd say there was a good 18" snow on the last 1/3rd mile to the kiosk. Did have to push that last 1/3rd on the road but was worth it. Rode most the way on trail to Rock Drop and tried to come down that -was pretty slow with the deep snow but we sure tried with the Fat Bikes

    Ended up coming down Hide & Seek and the upper wasn't to bad - snow in quite a bit of the upper but after crossing the bridge it was game on

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    I know this is an old post.... but, I am going up to PDX on sat morning, thinking about a sandy ridge ride in the early am... can anybody tell me info on where the trail head is and etc???

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    Quote Originally Posted by shugarbear View Post
    I know this is an old post.... but, I am going up to PDX on sat morning, thinking about a sandy ridge ride in the early am... can anybody tell me info on where the trail head is and etc???
    Sandy Ridge

    The dirt was really, really nice today. First time on Communication Breakdown for me, super fun trail. Two turn Tables and a Microwave was riding good too. Upper and lower Hide and Seek are great and the new work on lower Hide and Seek just below the cut off is nice.

    Does anybody know when the new stuff on the east side of Homestead Rd will be open?
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    New question here. Horse damage on lower Sandy Ridge trails?

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    Does anybody know when the new stuff on the east side of Homestead Rd will be open?
    Yeah, I'm curious about that too. I'm kind of in awe of how good Sandy Ridge is at this point. It packs so much goodness in to what seems to me a pretty modest footprint and keeps getting better. Send in those NWTA memberships people!

    On a crappier note, Did anyone else notice some horse damage to lower HS & Laura's Loop? This was on 4/27 in the AM. I'm cool with equestrians in general, but damn if that animal didn't punch pretty major holes into the trail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Yeah, I'm curious about that too. I'm kind of in awe of how good Sandy Ridge is at this point. It packs so much goodness in to what seems to me a pretty modest footprint and keeps getting better. Send in those NWTA memberships people!

    On a crappier note, Did anyone else notice some horse damage to lower HS & Laura's Loop? This was on 4/27 in the AM. I'm cool with equestrians in general, but damn if that animal didn't punch pretty major holes into the trail!
    I am not cool with the horsies. Complete BS... post holes should be accompanied by sharp jabs to the throat. It appears to me that a few more tires on the PCT are in order. This "how the west was won" activity needs to stop. Take pictures and send them to Marcie Houle ASAP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    On a crappier note, [B]Did anyone else notice some horse damage to lower HS & Laura's Loop?
    Are horses legal on SR trails? Im not an equestrian hater either, but there is absolutely no way equestrians should be using the SR trail system. It was built by mtn. bkers and maintained by mtn. bikers. Im not sure of this, but I am willing to bet that has been no equestrian group that has helped out with building/maintaining this system.

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    New question here. Don't think so...

    Quote Originally Posted by RighteousTrail View Post
    Are horses legal on SR trails? Im not an equestrian hater either, but there is absolutely no way equestrians should be using the SR trail system.
    I'm not sure of the legality of it, but it's fundamentally unsafe and the direction of horsie travel was clearly heading uphill from the HS connector by the main gate ( I only ride that section uphill if I'm basically the only car in the lot. It's technically still downhill-only AFAIK)

    And yeah, it's a purpose-built trail system and that purpose is mountain biking. There are tons of multi-use trails available in OR, but Sandy Ridge isn't one of them, as far as I understand it.
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    Take a look at the link that I provided above. Sandy Ridge is technically a multi use trail system open to bikes and people on foot, but not horses.

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    No good Good to know...

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    Sandy Ridge is technically a multi use trail system open to bikes and people on foot, but not horses.
    Thanks for pointing that out OHM. So not only were they not abiding by the rules of the trail, but they fuct it up pretty nicely in the process...

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    That really pisses me off about the horse damage. I hope that equestrian get's what they deserve somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post

    Does anybody know when the new stuff on the east side of Homestead Rd will be open?
    I'm itching to know more as well. I've taken a peak at a few sections and it looks close. I'm hoping it will open this summer, but I've not heard or seen of any build days going on for that trail. Every build day so far has just been maintenance on existing trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I've not heard or seen of any build days going on for that trail. Every build day so far has just been maintenance on existing trails.
    The pattern with SR major builds as I've observed is the BLM/IMBA crew does the initial build and the public/NWTA events are more about fine tuning the lines and general maintenance.

    Oh and the post-holing by equestrians sucks, even on shared trails they are allowed on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Oh and the post-holing by equestrians sucks, even on shared trails they are allowed on.
    I just learned a new term! Yeah, messed up regardless of the trail. And seems kind of dangerous for the horse too. Some of the holes near the bottom were deep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shugarbear View Post

    is there a better map?
    Why? What's wrong with this map? It shows all the currently open lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Yeah, I'm curious about that too. I'm kind of in awe of how good Sandy Ridge is at this point. It packs so much goodness in to what seems to me a pretty modest footprint and keeps getting better. Send in those NWTA memberships people!

    On a crappier note, Did anyone else notice some horse damage to lower HS & Laura's Loop? This was on 4/27 in the AM. I'm cool with equestrians in general, but damn if that animal didn't punch pretty major holes into the trail!
    A buddy ran into him on the trail. He got all aggressive with his horse. Total asshat.
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    In the market for some new tires and I ride sandy quite a bit. Have been running kenda nevegal 2.35 for years and looking to try something new. Any suggestions? Thanks

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    I'm addicted to big betty rear muddy mary front. Not the fasted combo on earth but faster than nevegals, and I have too much traction at times.

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    im have been running the maxxis high roller II and really like the aggressive tread pattern, they hook up very well. I to was a nevagal rider for years. Ill be running hr 2's from now on.

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    Sandy Ridge

    I was rocking the Nevegal in 2.35 on my Reign X. I decided to branch out and now I'm running the Maxxis Minion DHF 3C in a 2.5 up front and Maxxis HighRoller 3C 2.5 in the rear. I really really like this combo. In my opinion they roll faster and grip better than the Nevegals.

    I will say the Nevegals rounder profile made them a little more predictable in the corners. Even though the Minion has a slightly more square profile I'm still able to practically drag a knee before I slide out. I'll be buying my current setup again.

    My bike is setup as a gravity build but I was considering entering the next enduro race in Camas and trying the Ardent in a 2.35.

    Edit: A couple buddies just got back from Camas. They said its balls out fast and mostly downhill. I'll be keeping Minions and HighRollers on.
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    It looks like the new trails at Sandy Ridge open this weekend.

    Bike Portland article

    Looking forward to checking them out.

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    I've been riding this trail for a little while now and fallow the leader is pretty cool. I am wondering if they did something with the bolder field at the end of follow the leader. Last time I rode the trail that section was still unridable unless you are a trials rider.

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    I've been riding this trail for a little while now and fallow the leader is pretty cool. I am wondering if they did something with the bolder field at the end of follow the leader. Last time I rode the trail that section was still unridable unless you are a trials rider.
    I just got back from there and rode it for the first time. Yes, it is officially open and have to say my new favorite trail in the area, or the whole NW for that matter (minus BC). The trail was all rideable with nice, natural tech features throughout with connector flow in between to keep the speed and momentum going. Such a unique trail that challenges and flows at the same time. I feel these trails ("Follow the Leader" and "Flow Motion") captures the best parts of Sandy trails all on one continuous section while highlighting the natural features of the terrain, thus having a BC backcountry trail feel to it. I can't wait to ride it again and will be the first thing I do when I get back to town after the 4th. Triple thumbs up Ant-Farm and other trail builders! Love this trail!
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    I just got back from there and rode it for the first time. Yes, it is officially open and have to say my new favorite trail in the area, or the whole NW for that matter (minus BC). The trail was all rideable with nice, natural tech features throughout with connector flow in between to keep the speed and momentum going. Such a unique trail that challenges and flows at the same time. I feel these trails ("Follow the Leader" and "Flow Motion") captures the best parts of Sandy trails all on one continuous section while highlighting the natural features of the terrain, thus having a BC backcountry trail feel to it. I can't wait to ride it again and will be the first thing I do when I get back to town after the 4th. Triple thumbs up Ant-Farm and other trail builders! Love this trail!
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    100% agree. Sandy ridge is the best trail system in the pacnw. Don't waste time and gas going anywhere else. Get on it!
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    Finally got up to Sandy Ridge on Saturday to check out the new trails. I think it's safe to say that "Follow the Leader" may be the best 1.5 miles in the area (NE Oregon SW Washington). I wasn't able to clean the whole trail in one shot, but with the exception of the ultra long rocky section, I cleaned it all with multiple tries on multiple laps. That long rocky section is going to give me trouble for some time, but it kicks butt. I love how challenging this trail is with not much commitment.

    The berms on Flow Motion are huge.

    A few things that amaze me about Sandy Ridge...

    The parking lot was overflowing on Saturday with a dozen or so more cars parked at Homestead Rd, but I saw very few people on the trails. It amazes me how the trail system absorbs the number of people so well.

    The guys building the trails kick butt, "Follow the Leader" and "Flow Motion" ride like they've been there for at least a season or two. This also goes for all the trails that have been built over the years.

    The kids were out too. It's pretty cool watching them rip down the trails.

    And the Foxglove is really nice along the road right now.

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    Just a quick post on Sandy Ridge, as I rode it for the first time on Saturday with a buddy of mine. Wow! What a cool trail system! We managed to get in:

    - Rock Drop
    - Quid Pro Flow
    - Two Turntables and a Microwave
    - Flow Motion
    - Three Thirty Eight
    - Hide and Seek

    Sure, we missed a couple of the good ones like Follow the Leader, but we got a later start than we had hoped, and the heat kind of got us. But I will say, these trails are top notch and a perfect blend of man-made flow and natural, gnarly technical. Not sure which was my favorite, but I sure enjoyed the rock gardens on Two Turntables and Rock Drop, and the flow and fun of upper and lower Hide and Seek.

    There were also some really cool people there for sure. We are lucky in our sport to have awesome people to meet while out on the trails. My buddy and I hadn't ridden there before, and there were a couple of places that we had questions about what we should ride, and everyone was more than helpful in pointing us the right way and giving us a good description of what to expect on the trail. Now I just want to find a way to upgrade my Anthem 29er to something with a bit more travel!

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    Don't bother with Flow Motion...The flow is gone from all the brake bumps. I assume this one will eventually get covered in gravel.

    Also, About halfway down Upper Hide and Seek there's a root that somebody hacked up a season or two ago. Should this be cut out or just leave it? It would have been nice if it would have been left alone. It's not a huge deal, but it's kind of a mess now.

    The dirt was rad today.
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    Personally I don't think trail features should ever be sanitized. In my opinion if there is an obstacle that gives you problems either learn how to ride it or walk your bike. There will always be a better rider out there that enjoys that particular feature. The root you are talking about was cool till it got chopped up. Even now I think it adds something to the trail. There is enough groomed super smooth trails at sandy already.

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    Don't worry, I'm not going to mess with it. It seems to be more of a spring board than a technical trail feature.

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    I wasn't saying you yourself would mess with it, I was just talking in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Don't bother with Flow Motion...The flow is gone from all the brake bumps...

    ...Also, About halfway down Upper Hide and Seek there's a root that somebody hacked up a season or two ago..
    its a shame that the Flow trail is basically shot now....glad I got several laps in before the demise. I said it once and I'll say it again - people should really learn how to ride and when to use the brakes.

    The chopped out root has been a pisser for sure - used to pop you up and over it no worries, now its either bunny hop it completely or thread the chop gap. Same with the ride arounds created at both the entrance to Two Turntables and the narrow tree step-up root gap climbing out of quid pro...instead of changing it and dumbing it down - how bout you stay the heck away from it until you can actually ride the feature???

    Its a double edged sword. We want and need nearby riding, its now been built and spoon fed to us. They've built the parking and facilities and encourage massive use - which its getting. Large % of begginer to rookie riders in places they have no idea how to ride - except ride the brakes and skid your way through the berms. The bikes have almost gotten too good - easy to find yourself in way over your head because the bike has no problem getting there. I don't know what the real answer is - but that place is going to need some serious full time trail maintenance help and the gravel bandaid aint gonna do it.

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    One of my buddies hit a "gravel bandaid " on Lower H&S at high speed, he's veteran rider, been on the bike 15 years, bu that gravel patch got the better of him and down he went, had to get hauled out via ambulance.

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    One of my buddies hit a "gravel bandaid " on Lower H&amp;S at high speed, he's veteran rider, been on the bike 15 years, bu that gravel patch got the better of him and down he went, had to get hauled out via ambulance.
    I have gone down hard on the SR gravel, too. Total marbles when the trails dry out.
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    I've thought about taking a broom up there and sweeping the gravel off of the trail. Anybody interested in heading up there one day this week in the evening? Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday works for me. I have 7-8 push brooms if you don't have one.

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    I tried to argue against the use of the 3/4 minus back when they put it on. What a colossal stupid idea! I've never seen it work on a MTB trail and it will never go away.

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    Hit up some Sandy today. It's been a year since I've been up there. Destroyed the shiz outta my hand up there last year on the second rock garden on Quid. Lame, freak accident going like 3mph. bleh. Killed my whole summer. Anyhow, hit up the new trails today. Follow the Leader, hot damn, that trail is awesomely hardcore. Came close to clearing it all, but that big rock jetting out thing definitely had me stepping off. Crazy. Flow mo was quite fun too. Definitely beat to hell though. Wish I had done it a month ago! Went back up and hit up the others to come all the way back down; pretty decent condition from what I remember.

    The lot was exceedingly full with tons of overflow up and down the road. Only came across a few riders a hand full of times coming down. The place has definitely grown over the past few years.

    Another month and it's adios PNW. Definitely going to miss this trail network.
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    wow, i posted a while ago about getting that damn gravel off the trails and i got blasted for it. Glad to see others feel the same way about that crap.

    I think 90% of all trails in area are blown out. Dosent matter if there are beginner riders riding the trails or not. there is no moisture.

    Cant WAIT to see how destroyed everything gets after the enduro. anyone want to take a bet up to see if the OES does any trail work when the rain comes back. I am taking the no side. Or i would love to hear that they donated enough to cover the cost of the repairs to ALL the trail networks that they bomb.

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    Man, I understand why they put down the gravel, but I have nearly lost my a$$ a few times on Lower Hide and Seek this summer. Maybe it will get better this winter as it continues to get pushed into the dirt. I don't want to dis the great work that is done up there, but the gravel makes for a sketchy run.
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    I only dis the complete lack of riding skill. Flow Motion did not last three weeks... THREE WEEKS! Who brakes in the middle of a giant berm? I thought the whole "berm" thing was to alleviate all the trouble that folks have cornering. The jump and brake slam turn may look cool on Pinkbike, but those guys are actually going fast. That "method" just destroys all the hard work that has been put in up there. Lot's of suspension and 8" rotors won't ride the bike for anyone. I am not a lover of gravel, but when it starts pouring for several months I will not be cursing it either. Moisture will benefit the trails for sure, but I can gaurantee that all of the trails in our region are not blown out. We could not have had better trail conditions yesterday in the Gifford Pinchot... before and after the little bit of rain.
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    It could rain year round & the 3/4 minus would never "bed in" PERIOD!! You have a 170# mountain biker with a 3inch tire versus a 1/2 inch rock. The tire will win and the rock becomes dislodged 100% of the time. The stuff never goes away. It will forever build up at the bottom of any steeper grade and be dangerous until it's completely gone. Any body that has ever dealt with gravel on any mountain bike trail with a grade over 10% knows this all to well. Sorry to beat a dead horse here guys but the use of 3/4 minus is just beyond understanding. Also a little taken aback at the brake bumps, the shear # of them and really odd places they are showing up. I can understand inexperience though....

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    I'm sure the gravel will always be a problem, but earlier in the year it didn't seem to bad, and with the recent rain, Lower H&S seemed to be a little better on Saturday. Or maybe I'm just getting used to surfing on gravel at high speeds.

    Anyway, I finally cleaned Flow Motion top to bottom in one shot with no dabs. I was pretty stoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    I only dis the complete lack of riding skill. Flow Motion did not last three weeks... THREE WEEKS! Who brakes in the middle of a giant berm? I thought the whole "berm" thing was to alleviate all the trouble that folks have cornering. The jump and brake slam turn may look cool on Pinkbike, but those guys are actually going fast. That "method" just destroys all the hard work that has been put in up there. Lot's of suspension and 8" rotors won't ride the bike for anyone. I am not a lover of gravel, but when it starts pouring for several months I will not be cursing it either. Moisture will benefit the trails for sure, but I can gaurantee that all of the trails in our region are not blown out. We could not have had better trail conditions yesterday in the Gifford Pinchot... before and after the little bit of rain.
    Here, here Poppa on pretty good trail conditions for this time of year at many other places/rides as the masses chew up lower FM and lower HnS. I rode Sandy tonight and was able to find some good riding trails. This time last year, the trails were in much worse shape. Gravel is not that big of deal there, and welcomed in those sections during the wet season as stated. Folks just got to learn to hold those corners and run grippy tires this time of year.
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    [email protected]$$ OHM! That is super. Were you runnin' the HT or suspension?
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    Cant WAIT to see how destroyed everything gets after the enduro. anyone want to take a bet up to see if the OES does any trail work when the rain comes back. I am taking the no side. Or i would love to hear that they donated enough to cover the cost of the repairs to ALL the trail networks that they bomb.

    I think a lot of riders in OR would love to hear the answer to this question. I know that every year after the HR enduro Mitchell ridge gets totally blown out right before and after the race and I've never heard of the OE guys getting back up to fix the shit they tore up. As these races get bigger and bigger, it seems like they are attracting more and more out of towners, who come, shred, and leave. I'd love to hear the results of a poll of LOCAL riders to see who even want the races in the first place. Maybe it's more than I think, but I do know that I hear a lot more grumbling than praise as the years go on in the group that I ride with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    [email protected]$$ OHM! That is super. Were you runnin' the HT or suspension?
    Yep, on the FS...Without a dropper post with the seatpost fully extended (no quick release collar), clipless pedals and a triple chainring. On the hardtail I have a hard time keeping momentum to clean everything continuously.

    And in full disclosure....I didn't ride the big diving board rock drop on the upper trail. Iím a chicken when it comes to big drops, or small drops for that matter.

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    Thanks for the response. I was stoked for you. I have a QR on the Yeti, but I never stop to use it. BTW, nothing wrong with chicken sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfield View Post
    I think a lot of riders in OR would love to hear the answer to this question. I know that every year after the HR enduro Mitchell ridge gets totally blown out right before and after the race and I've never heard of the OE guys getting back up to fix the shit they tore up. As these races get bigger and bigger, it seems like they are attracting more and more out of towners, who come, shred, and leave. I'd love to hear the results of a poll of LOCAL riders to see who even want the races in the first place. Maybe it's more than I think, but I do know that I hear a lot more grumbling than praise as the years go on in the group that I ride with.
    The last couple of years the BLM has given the trails some love prior to the enduro events. They have ended up in better shape than before. The gravel everyone b!tches about gets removed for example. I am not sure if the organizer is involved or not.

    Who am I to complain if the land managers chooses to support that specific use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    Thanks for the response. I was stoked for you. I have a QR on the Yeti, but I never stop to use it. BTW, nothing wrong with chicken sometimes.
    After riding through the middle section with the big rock rollovers, I thought, "Ah Shit, now I have to clean that loose rocky section". There will be a dropper post in my future, not sure which one though. I've been waiting for something that acyually seems reliable.


    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Giggity View Post
    The last couple of years the BLM has given the trails some love prior to the enduro events. They have ended up in better shape than before. The gravel everyone b!tches about gets removed for example. I am not sure if the organizer is involved or not.

    Who am I to complain if the land managers chooses to support that specific use?
    Aren't we the land owners? I'm not a huge fan, but last year the trails at Sandy Ridge did get some love after the event, not sure who did it though, so I can't complain to much.

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    Awesome, let's video the "race" and ***** slap everyone who brakes in the middle of a berm. At the very least they should be teased. There was no way the trails were in better shape after last years "race". The place was pummeled before the "race" and there was zero improvement 'til the rain started. I think that local shops should consider sponsoring specific trails to maintain. OHM, if you read this I am on the same page in regards to the dropper. I have SEVERAL friends who think that I am nuts for missing out on ye olde seat dropper. FTL may have changed my tune...
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    For the SR Enduro. Oregon Enduro Series sponsored a work party and even took those interested out for some grub afterward. Not sure what kind of input they have for trail repair otherwise.

    As to the conditions of the trails, it is up to us to show up at the spring and fall work parties to put in the effort. Some of the work parties are well planned, some begin with the question "What do you all want to work on today?" I think that is cool that the BLM will listen to the riders that show up for work days. One of the wet days this spring, everyone worked on cleaning drains because we could see the standing water. They are even ok with experienced workers taking on specific projects with a small group if they feel like it.

    I have been to work parties with as few as 10 people and a couple around 40+. Keep an eye on NWTA's site for work event dates.
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    Hi, i live near SR and ride there quite a lot. This is the first year since SR was started that the IMBA guys are not building trail-seems wierd not being able to hear a dozer in the woods and the excitement that a new cool trail was coming. I dont even see the Ant Farm crew out working. I wonder if the funding for this system has dried up? Last time i talked to the trail guys was right when they were finishing up Flow Motion and they talked a little about a possible trail extension to the bottom coming off of TTT. That would be RAD!

    Im all for having the enduro series here even though i dont compete in it....fun to hike up with fam to watch. I do wish that they would come back and do some repair afterwords. This year has had the least amount of trail work parties since system was started.

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    Hey Guys,

    I'm going to be in town and Ride Sandy ridge next weekend. Can you guys give me some thoughts on the following riding plan? I'm trying to maximize my descending time while i'm there.

    Here's what I was thinking:
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    Assuming an intermediate/advanced rider, how long do you think that would take? Think that would be a good 5-6 hour day with a lunch break before Follow the leader? I'm just basing that on what ive see on YouTube for those trails and about 40mins on Homestead Road.

    any help is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojotherider View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I'm going to be in town and Ride Sandy ridge next weekend. Can you guys give me some thoughts on the following riding plan? I'm trying to maximize my descending time while i'm there.

    Here's what I was thinking:
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    Hide and Seek to the bottom

    Assuming an intermediate/advanced rider, how long do you think that would take? Think that would be a good 5-6 hour day with a lunch break before Follow the leader? I'm just basing that on what ive see on YouTube for those trails and about 40mins on Homestead Road.

    any help is appreciated.

    -joel
    This would take me only 1.5 hrs to ride by myself or 2hrs if really taking my time or with someone else. I would recommend going to very top and riding backside of Communication Breakdown as well and upper HnS too which can extend the ride some. Even though sounds like a lot of different trails to ride, most are only .75-1 mile in length and the road climb up from mid-way point doesn't take that long to top as well (about 15 min). My preferred route is to climb to very top of CB (great view and highest point of trails), hit CB down to QPF, QPF to 338, 338 to Two Turntables to bridge mid-way Hide and Seek, back up road to Follow the Leader/Flow Motion, up Rd again to Rock Drop/338 jump line to upper Hide and Seek to lower to TNT/Little Monkey to car. This allows me to hit all the trails and takes about 2.5hrs or riding time for me, 3hrs total time with breaks.
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    Thanks. I'm glad I asked in this thread. Seems like there's already a lot of good info out there already, but it always helps to get more info from the people that have been there. I'm glad to hear they're shorter trails than I thought so I can check out more of them.

    Where are TNT and Little Monkey? I've only seen the trail map on the nw-trails wiki and those two are listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojotherider View Post
    Thanks. I'm glad I asked in this thread. Seems like there's already a lot of good info out there already, but it always helps to get more info from the people that have been there. I'm glad to hear they're shorter trails than I thought so I can check out more of them.

    Where are TNT and Little Monkey? I've only seen the trail map on the nw-trails wiki and those two are listed.
    No prob, happy I can help.

    TNT/LM are trails in the area that are not technically part of the Sandy Ridge trail network due to being on county land, not BLM. The trail entrance is quite visible 1 mile up from gate on right side of road that you climb up to top (Homstead Rd 14) that starts with a good size table jump, then you can go immediate left on TNT (small gap jumps and burms) or right on Little Monkey that is more intermediate with no gaps and some table hits. Even though TNT/LM aren't part of the system but in same area, I think are some of the funnest, if not the funnest line on the hill (1-mile in length back to lower gate). But, all the trails are great there with their own different features/personalities. Follow the Leader is the most technically demanding trail (double black diamond rating) and is great for testing the bike handling skills and maintaining flow thru tricky, off-camber steep and rocky situations. I rode it yesterday amidst the wet conditions for the little added challenge and was surprised I made it thru the whole thing without dabbing on my last one thru after I went head on into tree after trying to jump off tricky, off camber-boulder at start of descent about mid-way thru trail A bit of sprained thumb today, but still lots of fun.
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    Jgusta's ride route is exactly how I like to ride when I feel up to doing all the trails. Jgusta is an animal on a bike, most people would take about 3.5 hrs to do that if you are taking breaks. I can do that route in 2.5 hrs but I'm riding at a quick pace for me. either way you can explore the entire trail system with the amount of time you have.

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    FWIW Ant farm was up there working on flow motion last week. I think 5-6 guys mid day on the 19th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B42 View Post
    FWIW Ant farm was up there working on flow motion last week. I think 5-6 guys mid day on the 19th.
    Man...cheers to them! They did an awesome job sculpting the trails up. Sandy rode about the best it ever has last week.
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    Are you reporting that Flow Motion is in good shape? I am curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa#1 View Post
    Are you reporting that Flow Motion is in good shape? I am curious.
    Yep, FlowMo was much better when I rode it last Friday from the work they did (AntFarm) during the week. They closed it during the NWTA shuttle fest on Sunday due to having a lot of fresh repair and heavy rain I bet made it much softer as well. Probably best to stay off it until it has dried out a bit.
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    Are you reporting that Flow Motion is in good shape? I am curious.
    It was about half good (still working when I left) when I was there. No idea now, but may get up there today or tomorrow still. I'll report if I make it.
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    Who is Ant farm?
    A group that provides outdoor learning and skills for youths (the really short version). They have been a consistent part if the labor at SR. They are based in Sandy.

    http://antfarm-international.com
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    Did anyone ride sandy this weekend ? Have been out with an injury for 2 months and may get out there this week, or sync line. Wondering how it is after the heavy rains last week. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by broccoli rob View Post
    Did anyone ride sandy this weekend ? Have been out with an injury for 2 months and may get out there this week, or sync line. Wondering how it is after the heavy rains last week. Thanks
    Primed as of Sat 10/5 with downed trees cut out on FM and all trails riding quite well. Supertack if you will.
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    I did the Follow the Leader tonight and I felt like I was in BC. Very cool! I can't ride parts of it and preferred flow motion but it is all fun. Great work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaybo View Post
    I did the Follow the Leader tonight and I felt like I was in BC. Very cool! I can't ride parts of it and preferred flow motion but it is all fun. Great work!
    Yes, very much BC feel to it as "Alpha" and I were on it and saying the same thing yesterday as well. He is on "cloud 9" right now after clearing everything for the first time yesterday. His nemesis was the 2nd boulder drop-in before the steep switchies that I led him down thru and convinced him it is best just to roll right down the center of it. He is really starting to progress his riding and sticking with it as of late. I feel like a proud little brother . Always a good challenge and quite unique trail!
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    Yeah, that second boulder usually gets me too, I have a tough time getting over the rock pile ramp leading into the big boulder drop. And I usually only make it through the loose scree section toward the end of FTL without dabbing about 50% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    Yeah, that second boulder usually gets me too, I have a tough time getting over the rock pile ramp leading into the big boulder drop. And I usually only make it through the loose scree section toward the end of FTL without dabbing about 50% of the time.
    The key to conquering FTL is to not stop on it. Just keep the tires rolling all the way thru to end with no hesitation. The only time I pause for a moment is on the two steep switchies to orientate the bike back around to make the turn. Momentum and letting the suspension do most the work is key on that trail for me. Couldn't imagine pinning it on a HT. It was especially good today
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    The key to conquering FTL is to not stop on it.
    True that.

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    Couldn't imagine pinning it on a HT.
    Also true. I can clean it on my HD, not my HT 29'er.

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    Nice. He has a sweet bike! I need to get a Fox 36 as I am still on a 32mm Revelation. The bigger fork would slack out the bike quite a bit and make the Spot more all mountain--as I am sure Alpha would confirm. Excuses aside I am really enjoy Sandy Ridge these days. I found the 2nd boulder a bit much but need to just do it a few times to get some comfort on it. Good for Alpha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    The key to conquering FTL is to not stop on it. Just keep the tires rolling all the way thru to end with no hesitation. The only time I pause for a moment is on the two steep switchies to orientate the bike back around to make the turn. Momentum and letting the suspension do most the work is key on that trail for me. Couldn't imagine pinning it on a HT. It was especially good today
    Thanks for the tips. It wasn't pretty, but I did make it through top to bottom once. I've also cleaned all of the features on my Canfield Yelli Screamy, but not top to bottom. The 29" wheels do dumb down the loose scree section near the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    The 29" wheels do dumb down the loose scree section near the bottom.
    I could see that, but the tighter stuff has got to be a little harder with the long WB/CS of typical 29'ers. I hate to say it, but could see how a 650b would be ideal for that trail with a little better roll than 26 thru the rock garden at end, but tight enough to nail the turns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgusta View Post
    I could see that, but the tighter stuff has got to be a little harder with the long WB/CS of typical 29'ers. I hate to say it, but could see how a 650b would be ideal for that trail with a little better roll than 26 thru the rock garden at end, but tight enough to nail the turns.
    The 29ers that I ride have a shorter WB than my 6" travel 26" bike. The 29ers are hardtails, so I'm not sure it is a fair comparison. The 29ers do rail around tight corners and switchbacks though. That tight switch back after the second rock drop on FTL is much easier on my 29er than the 26" bike.

    I'm also curious about 650b and would love to throw a leg over one sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    The 29ers that I ride have a shorter WB than my 6" travel 26" bike. The 29ers are hardtails, so I'm not sure it is a fair comparison. The 29ers do rail around tight corners and switchbacks though. That tight switch back after the second rock drop on FTL is much easier on my 29er than the 26" bike.

    I'm also curious about 650b and would love to throw a leg over one sometime.
    Good to hear. A buddy of mine who only rides 9'ers has a hard time on that trail, but kills everything else (FR jump lines to singletrack rippers - he rides his 9'er like it is a BMX bike). I thought the longer WB/CS of typical 9'ers might make it harder for him to negotiate the tight, off-camber features on that trail, but it sounds like it shouldn't make any difference. At Topher, you have no excuses not to ride it now
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    Tips for clearing nastiest part of rock drop?

    oldhouseman, benja55 and jgusta: any tips for clearing this part of rock drop?


    There's a smaller version that I can occasionally clear (at about 3:50 in that video), but man as much as I try to keep momentum, I can't find a good line through it.
    Do you guys crawl through it or just try to plow through as fast as possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoosand View Post
    oldhouseman, benja55 and jgusta: any tips for clearing this part of rock drop?


    There's a smaller version that I can occasionally clear (at about 3:50 in that video), but man as much as I try to keep momentum, I can't find a good line through it.
    Do you guys crawl through it or just try to plow through as fast as possible?
    Are you refering to the rock garden on QPF before the tables? If you are, it is best to just plow thru it and let the suspension work for you. FWIW, I used to go fairly fast thru the whole thing or keep about the same speed from top to bottom, but have found that there are more speed traps thru it this past rear, thus making it a little harder to ride and carry speed all the way thru. When I hit it I am usually maching down the backside of CB right into garden with as much speed as I can without thrashing my wheels and try to carry it thru, but mid-way I am having to pedal thru it some by a hang-up or two on the rock. Once I am thru before I know it, I just jump/hop, romp all the other stuff immediately following and carry speed thru all the table hits for some air time! Sometimes in really chunky rock, like rock garden on FTL, you have to crawl some, but if there is any downward pitch to it, I always try to roll thru it with as much speed as I can carry and hold. This is where I think a +6" travel bike shines and makes it a lot easier to do or bigger wheels I guess.

    Here's a good clip that is a couple years old demostrating how to blast thru. . QPF rock garden sections at 0:20, 0:54, 2:22. Love the Goldman air to pass the dude on his right on QPF jump line about 2:15, classic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoosand View Post
    oldhouseman, benja55 and jgusta: any tips for clearing this part of rock drop?
    Momentum and line choice. And line choice is really about not stuffing your wheels. Keep off those brakes and stay dynamic on the bike. Drop your seat and use that cockpit space.

    Read the trail well ahead so you're not caught by fun surprises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan View Post
    I'm also curious about 650b and would love to throw a leg over one sometime.
    Made the leap. Only a few rides but I'm digging it. IMO, it lives up to the "best of both". I feel a little bit better rollover then my 26" but definitely retains the fun smaller wheel feeling.

    Still ride 29er HT, but I've never fallen in love with the big wheels.
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    Based on the video, It appears you are practically crawling down the trail.

    No offense, but gopro video if anything usually makes things look 2x faster than they actually are with the wide angle and such.

    I definitely recommend lots more speed.

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    I plow through those two rock sections. Just soak it up.

    Funny, the last time we were there my buddy on his 29r HT went over the bars right behind me. So much for "rollover".

    edit: Above Thrillium there's a stupid loose rock section at the top of Cold Creek. Just have to point, shoot, and hold on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Momentum and line choice. And line choice is really about not stuffing your wheels. Keep off those brakes and stay dynamic on the bike. Drop your seat and use that cockpit space.

    Read the trail well ahead so you're not caught by fun surprises.
    This. Well said benja55.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Momentum and line choice. And line choice is really about not stuffing your wheels. Keep off those brakes and stay dynamic on the bike. Drop your seat and use that cockpit space.

    Read the trail well ahead so you're not caught by fun surprises.
    Uh, Yeah...I ride it exactly like this too. I nail it about 50% of the time, but I still have problems with picking lines and carrying enough speed through it which leads to tires getting hung up and stalling out.

    I will agree, speed/momentum and good line selection are key. A neutral body position over the top of your bike makes a huge difference too.

    Quote Originally Posted by benja55 View Post
    Made the leap. Only a few rides but I'm digging it. IMO, it lives up to the "best of both". I feel a little bit better rollover then my 26" but definitely retains the fun smaller wheel feeling.

    Still ride 29er HT, but I've never fallen in love with the big wheels.
    Good to hear that you like the tweener wheel size. I'm sure a lot of us will be on one at some point, the industry seems to be really pushing it.

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    Heck, just ride what you like and feels comfortable to you. I am interested in a 650B bike but don't want to part with the cash. So, I guess I have to ride a sweet 5 Spot. Life is tough. I just hope to stay upright and avoid those nasty rocks By the way Sandy Ridge is sweet...I don't know if it is the best place in the NW to ride but pretty darn good. The new trails keep me coming back for more.

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    Good job! yup

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    Heck, just ride what you like and feels comfortable to you. I am interested in a 650B bike but don't want to part with the cash.
    110% agreed. Only reason I went 650b was that I had a new-ish enough bike that I knew I could flip it for a good price. Went with an Ibis HDR so I can go back and forth 26"/27.5". Love it, but I am not a wheel size evangelist. Too many great years on 26" to care too much. Wheels are wheels and bikes are fun. The main thing is to ride.

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    By the way Sandy Ridge is sweet...I don't know if it is the best place in the NW to ride but pretty darn good.
    You said it. For all the poo-poo'ing of the trails in/around Portland proper (meaning lack thereof,) I feel lucky to have Sandy Ridge nearby. But it wasn't luck, it was a ton of time, money and effort. Thanks and respect to all involved. Keep those NWTA memberships up to date!

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    Thanks guys, I appreciate the feedback/tips!

    Sorry, I didn't realize the youtube video didn't link to the right time. Here's a better example (also not me):
    I can sometimes clear the rock garden at 6:00, but the lengthy section at 9:30 just seems like I need a ton of speed and a DH bike. Do you guys clear it without hopping off?
    I think this is Rock Drop, I'm bad with the names...


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    He actually starts on 338, not Rock Drop (he passes the terminus of Rock Drop as it comes in from the right at 5:53) then transitions onto Quid Pro Flow where the 2 Rock gardens are.

    And yeah, clear them most days with an occasional dab. The trick is to keep rolling, keep weight back, and pick lines that offer least resistance as you improve your rock skills.
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    World's dumbest SR question...

    Went up to SR today for a truly amazing Fall ride. It was gorgeous out there, and the trails were in great condition. While I've only ridden SR a half-dozen times, I always start with Rock Drop. Rode the trail, waiting for the actual drop which I always hit...and then suddenly I'm at the junction for Quid Pro Flow and 338. Huh? I rode back up the trail about 500M...no drop.

    Am I losing my mind? Did I talk the wrong trail? Where the hell is that drop? I rode it two months ago, I know.

    Like I said this may be the world's dumbest SR question.

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    I have a bit of a secret: I don't care if I can ride the rocks on Quid Pro Quo Don't tell anyone because I might lose my man card! I actually prefer 2 Turntables and Microwave and some of the other trails.

    NWTA is sweet! I get a membership along with trying to do some of their fund raiser stuff. I need to do some more trails work this year. It looks like Hide and Seek needs some love.

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    freeman, sounds like you hit the connector from the road to 338 and missed the connector to Rock Drop. Near the intersection of 338 and QPF, you should see where Rock Drop joins up. If you had gone up Rock Drop when trying to back track, you'd have been on big bermed turns, table tops, doubles, swoopy stuff. The connector to Rock Drop turns right just off the paved road and I think you went left.

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    Seriously everyone, the dirt it amazing up here right now. Don't even get me started about the weather. I pity those that can't get out and ride this week.
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    Clyde, I thought that might be a possibility but all the landmarks I remember the last times I've ridden rock drop were there, including that turn over the mossy rock that in the video voodoosand posted above (at :16). When I look on the BLM map (http://www.blm.gov/or/resources/recr...ap2013_508.pdf) looks like there's a fork on Rock Drop (around where it meets Communication Breakdown). Which branch takes me over the drop? I stayed left on Rock Drop.

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    Freeman, I'm not following your post too well as far as the direction you traveled. simplest way I know to hit Rock Drop is to continue on the road past the kiosk and take the next left. At the first split in the trail, stay right. At the next split, go left and you should be a short distance from the actual rock drop.

    If you go left at the first split, you're on 338 and bypass RD. If you go right at the second split, you're on the newer Communication Breakdown, again missing RD.
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    Hmmm. That must have been it. I must have gone onto Communication Breakdown. Damn, was all fired up for that drop.

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    How's the conditions lately? Thinking of going tomorrow.
    Freeman, a little after the mossy rock you get to a T. Go right. It takes you to rock drop/CB .

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    I know its cold. But anyone been up lately? Even to the half way cut in to H&S?

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    I'm guessing some snow at the top right now, maybe down to the half-way point. Not much. Cold, too. Probably good riding right now. I haven't been up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NW-Rider View Post
    I know its cold. But anyone been up lately? Even to the half way cut in to H&S?
    I was there Saturday. No snow in sight. I doubt you'll face snow anywhere besides Communication Breakdown anytime soon. Even if you see snow on there, it will probably not be on the trail. Takes a lot of snow for a trail to be snowed in. Even when snow has made the option of riding up a ride impossible, or the bushes next to the trail snowy, the trail is usually still fine until much later in the season (this goes for most places).

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    From Thursday 12-5-13. Friends of mine.

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    Looks like snow on the trails--top of H&S. Looks like snow at the power lines before the halfway cut. Not a lot as I said.
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    I rode it on Wednesday and had a blast. 4" at the turn off for CB and Rock Drop. I am sure that it is far more challenging today. The road "was" rideable Wednesday. Turntables was smokin'...
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    Those looks like great conditions if it's below freezing. I may head there Tuesday...

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    Conditions today are wet..
    Flow motion should be avoided till we have had some dry weather for a while. It is super soft and the skid kiddies are ruining the trail. Lower H&S is very wet and had some soft freeze thaw areas still. Upper elevation trails were the best and had typical wet winter conditions but very rideable. The road climb has patches of snow in shaded areas above the cut off.

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    I rode up on Sandy and the trails are marginal. I should have gone somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    Conditions today are wet..
    Flow motion should be avoided till we have had some dry weather for a while. It is super soft and the skid kiddies are ruining the trail. Lower H&S is very wet and had some soft freeze thaw areas still. Upper elevation trails were the best and had typical wet winter conditions but very rideable. The road climb has patches of snow in shaded areas above the cut off.
    Yep, worth staying up high and would recommend just hitting the road back from bridge on HnS regardless of how painful it may be instead of lower HnS due to freeze/thaw conditions in a lot of parts. The bottom part was the worse. At the top of CB it was sunny and much warmer (inversion?) and conditions were great coming down the backside. QPF was decent, TT&M was good, upper HnS was good before stream crossing and everything below that was of question. I was pretty amazed on how much snow melted with all the upper ridgelines at around 4000ft (Wildcat Mt) clear as well.
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    I noticed it was warmer on top of CB! I only had a wool undershirt on and was good to go. I had fun. You were right about lower H&S. Good day nonetheless as a muddy day on a bike is better than a good day at work

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    went to Sandy today with a buddy and it was too damn muddy...straight slop. Jumped in the car and went over to Syncline and it was a bit better.

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    Dudes, do gravel grinds or road rides for awhile. With the freeze/thaw mess the trails are in right now, SR and Syncline need to melt and dry out a bunch. Trail stewards for the areas are asking we stay off until they firm back up. Just making them nasty for later on. There are trail systems that hold up better in the recent conditions but SR and Syncline aren't them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Dudes, do gravel grinds or road rides for awhile. With the freeze/thaw mess the trails are in right now, SR and Syncline need to melt and dry out a bunch. Trail stewards for the areas are asking we stay off until they firm back up. Just making them nasty for later on. There are trail systems that hold up better in the recent conditions but SR and Syncline aren't them.
    Or just stick with trails with rock-based soil (road rides and gravel grinds are not a viable option for this kid, almost rather take verbal abuse from the spouse by spending the day with her...almost).

    Was pretty amazed how good of shape the tread was on on backside of CB and TTAM was pretty good as well on later Sat. So, I think anything with some rock to it, good drainage that is somewhat open to sun will be fine now and seems to be some inversion going down, whereas most lower elevation, soil-based trails are total slop right now. Tomorrow is suppose to be 46 deg and sunny at 4000ft. Dog River anyone
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    Jon, that works for folks like you, maybe me, maybe Smitty, who can make such a judgment about what to look for in soil composition, how heavily a trail is travelled, when to jump on a road to avoid sloppy stuff. However, for many who wanna "get dirty" and view the amount of mud caked on face and bike as a badge of honor, the trails get thrashed and ultimately we all kinda lose with soil erosion, brake bumps, tire ruts, and more repair work later on. Just my two pennies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Jon, that works for folks like you, maybe me, maybe Smitty, who can make such a judgment about what to look for in soil composition, how heavily a trail is travelled, when to jump on a road to avoid sloppy stuff. However, for many who wanna "get dirty" and view the amount of mud caked on face and bike as a badge of honor, the trails get thrashed and ultimately we all kinda lose with soil erosion, brake bumps, tire ruts, and more repair work later on. Just my two pennies.
    For sure as slop riding is no bueno for everyone and your bike! I just pride myself on being a year-round local trail rider who very rarely rides in the mud, but still gets out fairly regularly to ride. But yes, I guess most people just go and ride at a place regardless of knowing how the conditions may be, and should always be aware and cautioned if possible to minimize extra damage to trails and work in the long run. For example it is too bad with Whoopdee and a lot of people riding it during freeze/thaw and why it is closed right now so it isn't totally destroyed.
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    Rode SR yesterday and wished i had headed the earlier reports and skipped the lower section of HS....VERY muddy. Upper trails like TT and CB are in decent shape. Follow the Leader was also very muddy.

    On a different topic, I'm always a little surprised at the amount of tread marks over branches that have fallen on the trail. I ride SR a lot and always clear branches to keep the trails clear and fun and also carry a small folding saw so i can clear larger ones. I think if we all take a quick moment to stop and toss a branch to the side the SR experience will be better for all.

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Chris

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