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    So many good options this year for XC bikes. It's making it very hard to choose.

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    This bike with a 120 34sc would be exactly what I want. Anyone know if they will be offering frame only?

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    I really want the TR version, it ticks pretty much all the boxes for me apart from some of the parts specc'd but I could easily live with them for a while and upgrade later. I particularly like the fact its specc'd with the 34 SC. Hmmm, I'm looking forward to some ride reports and real world weights...

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    Has anyone seen any proper ride reports anywhere on the web? Bike looks perfect on paper, but would like to know a bit more before pulling the trigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnr_seahorse View Post
    Has anyone seen any proper ride reports anywhere on the web? Bike looks perfect on paper, but would like to know a bit more before pulling the trigger.
    I keep looking, but haven't come across anything yet. Bring it on! I want to see how this compares to the new Canyon Lux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    I really want the TR version, it ticks pretty much all the boxes for me apart from some of the parts specc'd but I could easily live with them for a while and upgrade later. I particularly like the fact its specc'd with the 34 SC. Hmmm, I'm looking forward to some ride reports and real world weights...
    I've researched the hell out of this category this year and ultimately decided not to buy a new bike because nothing checked every box in my wishlist. I heard a little about the Oiz but couldn't find the details on the builds until today and boy does this change my mind. I too am really interested to hear some real ride reports and weights, but the M10-TR build is so damn close to what I've been looking for 120/120 with DPS rear and 34 SC front, 2 bottle cages inside the frame (that's huge to me for endurance races and long training rides) and a $5400 msrp?

    The comparable SB100 build is $8000, the comparable Sniper trail build is between 6-6.5k (6k build doesn't have SC fork, 6.5k build does but also has carbon wheels) and neither of those bikes have 2 bottles in the triangle. On paper, the closest true comparison would be the Lux CF 8.0 Race Team that they list on the euro-only website. That is ~5300 when converted to USD and has a 34SC 'Elite' (110mm) the new 12-speed XTR spec and XRC 1250 carbon wheels. If they bring it to US and the price holds, that's a ridiculous spec for the dollar and nothing else can really compete with it in this category, but the Oiz spec for the same price is pretty damn close on everything but the wheels. I also prefer the more progressive geometry and longer travel on the TR option of the Oiz.

    So yeah, I guess it comes back to real world ride reports and a sanity check on the weight, but I'm really impressed on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgarson View Post
    I've researched the hell out of this category this year and ultimately decided not to buy a new bike because nothing checked every box in my wishlist. I heard a little about the Oiz but couldn't find the details on the builds until today and boy does this change my mind. I too am really interested to hear some real ride reports and weights, but the M10-TR build is so damn close to what I've been looking for 120/120 with DPS rear and 34 SC front, 2 bottle cages inside the frame (that's huge to me for endurance races and long training rides) and a $5400 msrp?

    The comparable SB100 build is $8000, the comparable Sniper trail build is between 6-6.5k (6k build doesn't have SC fork, 6.5k build does but also has carbon wheels) and neither of those bikes have 2 bottles in the triangle. On paper, the closest true comparison would be the Lux CF 8.0 Race Team that they list on the euro-only website. That is ~5300 when converted to USD and has a 34SC 'Elite' (110mm) the new 12-speed XTR spec and XRC 1250 carbon wheels. If they bring it to US and the price holds, that's a ridiculous spec for the dollar and nothing else can really compete with it in this category, but the Oiz spec for the same price is pretty damn close on everything but the wheels. I also prefer the more progressive geometry and longer travel on the TR option of the Oiz.

    So yeah, I guess it comes back to real world ride reports and a sanity check on the weight, but I'm really impressed on paper.
    Thereís also the new Blur that now has a TR spec but only 110mm travel from the 34SC and a huuuuge price tag.

    This is definitely the type of bike Iím going for next though.

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    Interesting, they must have added Blur TR very recently, I've checked the Blur out multiple times before and never saw it. The 'Elite' version of the 34SC is not compelling to me though, the total build weight on the TR variants of the Blur are 2 pounds heavier than the equivalent 32SC versions. I'm hoping the TR version of the Oiz comes right in around 25 given that's where the Sniper Trail is with the same 120mm shock and 120mm 34SC. I can give up 2 pounds for an extra 20mm front & rear, but same weight just for another 10mm up front? meh.

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    I just wish it had 20mm more reach and was slacked out by a degree or two in the trail flavor. If this thing was closer to the Sniper geo I'd be all over it.

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    Hopefully some good reviews will be released soon...

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    Thanks for sharing, been searching around for this for a few days now. I think it looks great and the numbers on paper strike a great balance for someone like me who veers more towards xc riding but would still like to feel more confident descending or comfortable on long ride. Currently riding a top fuel, and the 120mm version of this bike is making me consider a switch.

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    Numbers look good, build kits look like decent value. Ride reports from this, new Epic Evo and the Sniper have all been done by trail/enduro riders

    Would love to hear some reviews of these bikes from guys who've done some XC races on them.

    Not quite on par with the new Canyon on value, but the geometry on this looks more exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider_phil View Post
    Numbers look good, build kits look like decent value. Ride reports from this, new Epic Evo and the Sniper have all been done by trail/enduro riders

    Would love to hear some reviews of these bikes from guys who've done some XC races on them.

    Not quite on par with the new Canyon on value, but the geometry on this looks more exciting.
    Is anyone doing proper XC reviews?

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    Best I've found so far is users on this forum for bikes that are available now. There's a fairly decent ride review on the Canyon Lux on YouTube with Guy Kesteven. That Pinkbike "first ride" on the Lux was pretty disappointing.

    All I can say is that it's currently a good time to be looking for a new XC bike! Lots of good choices available

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    I currently have two of them sitting in my basement. Unfortunately, neither of them is mine.

    The reviews from people riding them is they are really good bikes. Big improvement over the old Oiz, which I thought was a pretty damm good bike to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    I currently have two of them sitting in my basement. Unfortunately, neither of them is mine.

    The reviews from people riding them is they are really good bikes. Big improvement over the old Oiz, which I thought was a pretty damm good bike to begin with.
    Can you give us some sizes and weights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Can you give us some sizes and weights?

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    The medium is 22 with a straight post, build is top of line Sram. Aluminum wheels and XT pedals. Lighter pedals and wheels would have it around 21.5.

    The small is 23.5 with a dropper, aluminum wheels and XTR Di2 group. Will be just under 23 with race wheels on it.
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    OIZ M10-TR 19 / $5,399 or Epic EVO $5,800.
    I like the specs more on the OIZ, just that I don't know a single person that has an Orbea MTB, only several road bikes so I know they make a good product. I just need a few more reviews. Strangely I did a sizing check on the website and it has me on a M, I know there is no way I would get a M, I'm 6' 33" inseam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclism00 View Post
    OIZ M10-TR 19 / $5,399 or Epic EVO $5,800.
    I like the specs more on the OIZ, just that I don't know a single person that has an Orbea MTB, only several road bikes so I know they make a good product. I just need a few more reviews. Strangely I did a sizing check on the website and it has me on a M, I know there is no way I would get a M, I'm 6' 33" inseam.
    I have their gravel bike the Terra. My first Orbea. I am very impressed with the bike. It pedals very efficiently and as a result, am very interested in the Oiz.

    In regards to your sizing; I am 5'9" and after having a Pole Evolink, I would never buy a size Medium in any bike. I have two 2018 Epics (large) currently with blown shocks -hence the search for another bike, and would not want them any smaller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclism00 View Post
    OIZ M10-TR 19 / $5,399 or Epic EVO $5,800.
    I like the specs more on the OIZ, just that I don't know a single person that has an Orbea MTB, only several road bikes so I know they make a good product. I just need a few more reviews. Strangely I did a sizing check on the website and it has me on a M, I know there is no way I would get a M, I'm 6' 33" inseam.
    Very similar thoughts (and I'm exact same size/inseam coincidentally). I'm leaning Oiz over the Evo. I haven't heard any weights on the M10 TR build yet so maybe it will suck, but I was really unimpressed with the weights on the EVO. I think a lot of that is in a handful of lazy spec choices they made. Those could be easily remedied, but why spend $5800 to change a bunch of things when you could spend less on the Oiz and have less need to upgrade parts? I've never ridden brain either but it's hard for me to not consider all the bad rep over it, even if it's just on the rear shock.

    Likewise I don't know anyone who has an Orbea MTB but it turns out there is a small LBS very close to me that carries them so I'm looking forward to checking them out once they're available.

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    Price is right, I would just build my own wheel set and use those that come with it as a backup set. I have ridden an Epic, I am one of the few that never had problems with the brain I guess, I'm just looking for more of a playful bike since I'm not really into racing, maybe a few Endurance events here and there. With the Evo, I would need to change the cranks, most of the cockpit just to lighten it up more.

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    So Orbea must be smoking some good crack. They put the frame only option on the website but they priced it at $3500!!! Are they trying to outdo yeti as top rip off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brodon View Post
    So Orbea must be smoking some good crack. They put the frame only option on the website but they priced it at $3500!!! Are they trying to outdo yeti as top rip off?
    Yikes. I thought the Lux was bad at $3k. Maybe they don't actually want to sell frames.

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    That's a lot cake considering the Epic Ultralite is only few hundo more and Sniper is @ $1000 less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Choro View Post
    Yikes. I thought the Lux was bad at $3k. Maybe they don't actually want to sell frames.
    I don't think they do honestly. The Rallon is $4k.

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    Trying to decide between the 120 tr and the Santa Cruz blur tr. anyone been able to ride both of these yet. Want a bike that I can do xc races on but is capable enough for local trail riding

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    I just contacted Orbea USA about availability for the OIZ 100mm or 120mm with Eagle or XTR. March 2019. Some totally stock models may be available sooner.

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    Interesting. I talked to LBS a few weeks ago and they said projected availability according to Orbea for the M10 TR was late November or December but some of the 100mm stock builds would be available much earlier.

    Either way, you definitely won't be racing this season on the longer travel Oiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgarson View Post
    Interesting. I talked to LBS a few weeks ago and they said projected availability according to Orbea for the M10 TR was late November or December but some of the 100mm stock builds would be available much earlier.

    Either way, you definitely won't be racing this season on the longer travel Oiz.
    Projected delivery dates from Bike Co's, home remodels and dining in Paris all have one thing in common. = They Run Late.

    I hope I am wrong. Having a close look at Canyon Lux (Fall 2018...), SC Blur, Intense Scalpel 120mm. At least the Blur you can purchase.

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    Still no ride impressions?

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    Where is this thing?

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    I'd love to seems some more details too - weight especially. This is really looking like the bike for me, even with the long weight.

    I was seriously about to take the plunge on a Scott Spark 900, which I still think is a good option but the Orbea takes two bottles, is full carbon (the 2019 Spark 910 has a alu rear triangle) and is a better build overall (minus the kind of narrow Mavic wheels)...

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    waiting for updates on this rig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    That's a lot cake considering the Epic Ultralite is only few hundo more and Sniper is @ $1000 less.
    When looking at prices, don't forget to factor in Orbea's lifetime warranty.

    I have never needed it but its good to know its there.

    Fantastic bikes.

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    I wish there was some additional ride information just some more articles to geek out over

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    Quote Originally Posted by oab1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErVikingo View Post
    When looking at prices, don't forget to factor in Orbea's lifetime warranty.

    I have never needed it but its good to know its there.

    Fantastic bikes.
    How does the lifetime warranty of theirs factor into being that much more than other frames with lifetime warranty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    How does the lifetime warranty of theirs factor into being that much more than other frames with lifetime warranty?
    The whole pricing argument is silly. There are always products thar cost more or less.

    Buy what you see as a value or can afford.

    Bikes cost what they do because people buy them at that price. Basic economics.
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    We just got word today that we'll have some M10 TRs at my store as soon as the first week of December with more scheduled to ship as early as January.

    My personal LTD should be in my grubby hands before the end of January. I'm super excited to add this to the stable. I've been riding a Rallon since July and loving every second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    The whole pricing argument is silly. There are always products thar cost more or less.

    Buy what you see as a value or can afford.

    Bikes cost what they do because people buy them at that price. Basic economics.
    OK how about addressing my point?

    I quoted someone specifically saying you had to take into account the lifetime warranty to account for cost- I pointed out that there are cheaper frames that also have lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    OK how about addressing my point?

    I quoted someone specifically saying you had to take into account the lifetime warranty to account for cost- I pointed out that there are cheaper frames that also have lifetime.
    There are also more expensive frames without a lifetime warranty. Scott Spark comes to mind. The Epic also has a lifetime warranty and is $250 more than the Oiz. There are also bikes that are less expensive and have lifetime warranties (Santa Cruz Blur). Pre this year Yeti's didn't have lifetime warranties and were right in this price range. I guess it comes down to buy what you like or what you see as a good value.

    I personally ride Ibis (Ripley & Ripmo), so I don't have any personal stake in Orbea. My Ripley is getting a little tired (got it when they first came out in 2013) so I have my eye out for a light XC 29er to replace it. The Oiz is high on the list, but waiting to see one first. The Intense Sniper looks good too, but the 2 water bottle capability of the Oiz really has me intrigued. I like the look of the Fezarri Signal Peak, but it will end up being nearly the same weight as my Ripley frame. Maybe Ibis or Pivot will come out with something awesome by spring (fingers crossed)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlechnow View Post
    I personally ride Ibis (Ripley & Ripmo), so I don't have any personal stake in Orbea. My Ripley is getting a little tired (got it when they first came out in 2013) so I have my eye out for a light XC 29er to replace it. The Oiz is high on the list, but waiting to see one first. The Intense Sniper looks good too, but the 2 water bottle capability of the Oiz really has me intrigued. I like the look of the Fezarri Signal Peak, but it will end up being nearly the same weight as my Ripley frame. Maybe Ibis or Pivot will come out with something awesome by spring (fingers crossed)?
    I'm in the same boat and looking at the same frames as you are. The thing I like about some of the these frames is a higher BB with a 120mm fork. I slapped a 120 34 SC on the Ripley, but I have a feeling the BB is going to be too low for my taste. The Signal Peak has the same BB height with a 120 as the Ripley does with a 140.

    I was only trying to point out the ridiculousness of the quoted statement.
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    Anyone have a 2019 Oiz TR yet? Iím really curious about the dual bottle cages and if itís difficult to get the bottles out.

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    Contender bicycles in Salt Lake City has a YouTube video on the Oiz Trail LG. Weight on 10 is 25#8oz.
    I called Arkansas and they confirmed the saddle as 131mm small on large build

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    Our first M10 TR showed up yesterday. Super pleased with the build on this model. I have couple of small spec complaints, things I know our customers are going to ask us to change. Most notably the super aggressive stem and the 34t chaingring. Colorado has some pretty big climbs, and I would say a most folks that we service run a 30t or a 32t. The Race Face Aeffect dropper is passable and I'd rather see Fox Factory suspension throughout over something fancier in the dropper department. I had been curious about the lockout/dropper situation, it's pretty clean and should work well overall. The RockShox twist lockout unit would be a better fit in my opinion, but this seems to work well and theres plenty of adjustment for reach/ergonomics. Personal preference aside, I think Orbea did a great job on this bike.

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    New Oiz

    My local shop is finishing up my TR Oiz. I ride XC trails in southeast Michigan, so the dropper is not necessarily for the majority of my riding. I swapped a lot of parts and significantly dropped the weight. Stock weight without cages or pedals was 25lbs 13oz. Respectable.

    Bike now weighs 22lbs 6oz (with pedals, cages and Wahoo mount).

    Here is the build:
    Medium frame TR build
    EIE Carbon supetlight rims, Sapim CX Ray spokes, I9 hubs, brass nipples
    Enve Seatpost
    Extralite 750mm bar and 70mm Stem
    SRAM Eagle Dub SL Crank
    Absolute Black oval ring
    X01 Eagle Cassette
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    Shimano XTR 9000 Race Brakes
    ESI Chunky grips
    Cane Creek AER Headset and spacers
    Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio Flow saddle
    Arundel side/other side loader cages
    Racing Ray/Racing Ralph with Orange Seal Endurance formula

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    My local shop is finishing up my TR Oiz. I ride XC trails in southeast Michigan, so the dropper is not necessarily for the majority of my riding. I swapped a lot of parts and significantly dropped the weight. Stock weight without cages or pedals was 25lbs 13oz. Respectable.

    Bike now weighs 22lbs 6oz (with pedals, cages and Wahoo mount).

    Here is the build:
    Medium frame TR build
    EIE Carbon supetlight rims, Sapim CX Ray spokes, I9 hubs, brass nipples
    Enve Seatpost
    Extralite 750mm bar and 70mm Stem
    SRAM Eagle Dub SL Crank
    Absolute Black oval ring
    X01 Eagle Cassette
    X01 Eagle Derailleur
    GX Eagle shifter
    Shimano XTR 9000 Race Brakes
    ESI Chunky grips
    Cane Creek AER Headset and spacers
    Selle Italia SLR Kit Carbonio Flow saddle
    Arundel side/other side loader cages
    Racing Ray/Racing Ralph with Orange Seal Endurance formula

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    My local shop is finishing up my TR Oiz. I ride XC trails in southeast Michigan, so the dropper is not necessarily for the majority of my riding. I swapped a lot of parts and significantly dropped the weight. Stock weight without cages or pedals was 25lbs 13oz. Respectable.

    Bike now weighs 22lbs 6oz (with pedals, cages and Wahoo mount).

    Here is the build:
    Medium frame TR build
    EIE Carbon supetlight rims, Sapim CX Ray spokes, I9 hubs, brass nipples
    Enve Seatpost
    Extralite 750mm bar and 70mm Stem
    SRAM Eagle Dub SL Crank
    Absolute Black oval ring
    X01 Eagle Cassette
    X01 Eagle Derailleur
    GX Eagle shifter
    Shimano XTR 9000 Race Brakes
    ESI Chunky grips
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    Sweet ride! I'm in the same area. What shop are you buying through?
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    Sweet ride! I'm in the same area. What shop are you buying through?
    I actually purchased the bike online. My local shop is just swapping the parts. Hopefully picking it up tomorrow and riding on Saturday.


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    I actually purchased the bike online. My local shop is just swapping the parts. Hopefully picking it up tomorrow and riding on Saturday.


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    Probably just Maybury...can ride there from my house.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Probably just Maybury...can ride there from my house.


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    Zerort, hoping to just get fit dialed in. I ride 4.5 miles from home, so I can make adjustments. Are you in the market for an Oiz?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Zerort, hoping to just get fit dialed in. I ride 4.5 miles from home, so I can make adjustments. Are you in the market for an Oiz?


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    Yes, considering one to replace my Santa Cruz Blur I just sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Yes, considering one to replace my Santa Cruz Blur I just sold.
    Looking at the Oiz, but also the Blur. Why did you sell it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Choro View Post
    Looking at the Oiz, but also the Blur. Why did you sell it?
    It developed play in the shock mount after 4 rides.

    Santa Cruz said it was Fox's problem not theirs and wouldnt offer a solution besides "call Fox".

    Also, the bike wasn't fun to ride. It was just a little bland.
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    Picked up the bike from my local shop today. Adjusting saddle height, etc. will report out on first ride tomorrow.


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    Quick spin today. First impressions are good, but still dialing in fit. Iíll report back when I get a proper ride in.


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    Where'd you end up riding?
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    Just Maybury. Was short on time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    I actually purchased the bike online. My local shop is just swapping the parts. Hopefully picking it up tomorrow and riding on Saturday.


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    Where did you purchase online from? Did they ship right to your house and had you seen one of these in person before ordering?

    I've been interested in this or Canyon Lux but I'm located in Northern Michigan (Traverse City) and there aren't any Orbea dealers around to take a look at the bike in person.

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    Any idea how much tire clearance there is? Would a 2.4 on a 30mm rim fit?

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    I am using Ray/Ralph 2.25 on pretty narrow rims (23.5 inner). Tons of room, though. I would be comfortable putting a 2.35 Rekon Race on the back.


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    So have you been riding the bike? How do you like it?

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    Well, just pulled the trigger on a medium in the XC build (with added dropper post).

    Iím only 169cm tall, but sized up because I plan to use this as a marathon bike rather than XC racer (since iím typically a trail/enduro rider).

    Interested to hear of any other peopleís sizing in the wild!

    Hopefully I got the right size! I just wonít know until it turns up in April...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    I would be comfortable putting a 2.35 Rekon Race on the back.
    Are these a thing? Would be more interested in 2.35 Rekon though (not race).

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    Yes, they are new. Iím just assuming the casing is similar to the Ikon. I imagine an Ikon 2.35 or Rekon Race 2.35. I donít have any wider rims to experiment, though. Tons of room with 2.25.


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    I am waiting for Oiz TR due in March and I was thinking about putting Rekon in front and Rekon Race in the rear, but I would gladly take 2.35 over 2.25 version. Any idea when they will be available? And Rekon 2.35 is also a thing?

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    ProBikeSupply shows Rekon Race 2.35 on their site. I order from them fairly regularly. They take a little longer to ship than Jenson, but they are a good shop.

    Their is a Rekon 2.4, havenít used it or read much on it, though.


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    I got about 45 miles of single track riding on the Oiz TR this weekend. The bike seems to climb fairly well, probably on par with my Czar (my Oiz is lighter, though.) the lockout is really nice for smooth climbs.

    The 120 travel is definitely overkill for most of my riding (SE Michigan), but doesnít seem to hold the bike back at all on tame trails. It does descend a bit more confidently than my Czar.

    It will hold a 26oz specialized bottle on the down tube and a 21oz specialized bottle on the seat tube.

    The bike is quite fun to ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post


    @mnyquist - what Garmin mount is that?

    Also - how has it been getting bottles in and out of the frame with two cages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarz View Post
    @mnyquist - what Garmin mount is that?

    Also - how has it been getting bottles in and out of the frame with two cages?
    Itís a K-Edge adjustable stem mount.

    I use side loader cages. Itís been easy to get bottles out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Itís a K-Edge adjustable stem mount.

    I use side loader cages. Itís been easy to get bottles out.


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    Awesome!

    This bike truly is a unicorn. Canít wait to get one on order. No dealers carry this bike around me so I am hoping it meets all my needs based on reviews. Most of my riding will be in the 30-40 range in the Raleigh NC area. Two bottles is huge for a 120mm bike and getting in longer rides in the summer heat. Also hoping this bike manages Pisgah well. I do all of the best of Pisgah and Iím hoping the 120mm is enough to descend wide open with confidence. I normally have my Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc out there with 140/130 travel. It gobbles up anything I throw at it. I just can no longer tolerate no bottle cages on the bike. Iím willing to lose some travel for this luxury. Most of the time I ride a steel SS hard tail anyway, so I think I can can get by with a little less squish.

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    Anyone help with sizing? Reading orbea fits pretty small....

    I am 6í2Ē with a 32Ē inseam. Looking at the Oiz for an XC bike.

    Currently run an XL Hei Hei, and XL SB5.5.

    Iím a bigger guy at 235, but slimming down (not that that matters on size)

    Thanks all for the help

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    Hey @derek1387, I havenít actually got mine yet and the store didnít have a demo when i ordered, so I canít tell you my experience. But, FWIW I was ďS-MĒ on Orbeaís guide and my LBS said to go up to the medium as ďOrbeaís fit smallĒ.

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    That's hard to say Derek. I am 182 cm (6') with 86 cm inseam (34") and I have ordered an L. I could ride an XL, but it would be too hard to handle. In your case I guess you could be fine on XL length wise, but I am not sure about your shorter legs (inseam).

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    Anyone help with sizing? Reading orbea fits pretty small....

    I am 6í2Ē with a 32Ē inseam. Looking at the Oiz for an XC bike.

    Currently run an XL Hei Hei, and XL SB5.5.

    Iím a bigger guy at 235, but slimming down (not that that matters on size)

    Thanks all for the help
    I would put you on an XL myself. At your size an XL is not going to be too big, but a L might be too small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emslibbles View Post
    Hey @derek1387, I havenít actually got mine yet and the store didnít have a demo when i ordered, so I canít tell you my experience. But, FWIW I was ďS-MĒ on Orbeaís guide and my LBS said to go up to the medium as ďOrbeaís fit smallĒ.
    Right? The website puts me on a Medium...which i find super hard to believe!

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    Iím 5í8Ē and on a medium


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    I'm 5'9" and bought a Large. Will be using a 60mm or 70mm stem.
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    Zerort, I'm 6'1 and thinking about going XL and going with a shorter stem. I'd be interested to hear how you feel about the sizing. The bike looks short in the promotional video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgilmour1 View Post
    Zerort, I'm 6'1 and thinking about going XL and going with a shorter stem. I'd be interested to hear how you feel about the sizing. The bike looks short in the promotional video.
    I always look at reach numbers. 460 seems perfect for me at 5'9" with short stems. 40-60mm range. This frame is a bit shorter.

    At 6'1", I would go XL. Especially if you like to stand going uphill. I don't like short bikes. Longer bikes are both more comfortable and more stable.
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    Ordered a large TR. excited to have a great quiver this season... Ď19 rallon, Ď19 oiz tr, and a DH rig (Probably intense 29)

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    Mcgills what is your height?

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    5í11Ē I ride a large rallon. Thought about an xl oiz. I will be putting a 50 -60 mm stem on and 20 mm riser bars on it to get it similar cockpit feel to the rallon which will decrease reach. But standover and seattube height gets out of control moving up to an xl. I also donít mind a smaller bike.

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    Sounds good thx for the information. Similar to my thoughts. I'm planning a seat swap and run it stock for a month before changing it.

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    Is 235lbs too much for one of these bikes? Looking at the XC race one....not the TR one.....

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    My new Oiz

    Orbea Oiz team 23lbs 2oz sz xl will likely lose half a lb when the XTR crank finally shows up.
    Super stoked on the Myo paint job. nNow I just need some trails to become rideable.New Oiz-4548a873-d806-4fd5-b1d7-27082ef2242f.jpg

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    I think the frame would be fine but the 32 step cast will feel like a noodle. Iím 230 I had to put 260psi in the rear for proper sag. I opted for the Tr mostly get the 34

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    Is 235lbs too much for one of these bikes? Looking at the XC race one....not the TR one.....
    I think the frame would be fine but the 32 step cast will feel like a noodle. Iím 230 I had to put 260psi in the rear for proper sag. I opted for the Tr mostly get the 34

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolamonster View Post
    I think the frame would be fine but the 32 step cast will feel like a noodle. Iím 230 I had to put 260psi in the rear for proper sag. I opted for the Tr mostly get the 34
    I would probably swap in my MRP Ribbon

    6í1-2Ē, 32Ē inseam.... L with a 100mm stem...I donít have a way to test ride it where itís at.
    Too small?

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    One of the big selling points for me on the Oiz was holding two water bottles inside the front triangle. I had a hard time finding information on exactly what size bottles would fit so here's what I found in case anyone else is looking for it too. I have a size large frame with the trail (120mm) shock, and using the stock bottle cage mounts with Lezyne Flow Cage SL cages and the new Camelbak Podium bottles, I can fit a 24oz bottle in the downtube cage and a 21oz bottle in the seattube cage. When I put a Wolftooth B-Rad 2 base on the seattube mount to shift the cage down toward the bottom bracket a little bit I was able to comfortably fit a 24oz bottle there as well. So a size large can, with a little modification, comfortably fit two 24oz water bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapman_164 View Post
    One of the big selling points for me on the Oiz was holding two water bottles inside the front triangle. I had a hard time finding information on exactly what size bottles would fit so here's what I found in case anyone else is looking for it too. I have a size large frame with the trail (120mm) shock, and using the stock bottle cage mounts with Lezyne Flow Cage SL cages and the new Camelbak Podium bottles, I can fit a 24oz bottle in the downtube cage and a 21oz bottle in the seattube cage. When I put a Wolftooth B-Rad 2 base on the seattube mount to shift the cage down toward the bottom bracket a little bit I was able to comfortably fit a 24oz bottle there as well. So a size large can, with a little modification, comfortably fit two 24oz water bottles.
    Thank you for this info. Very helpful. I've been looking at both the Canyon and Orbea as I too had the requirement that a full-suspension be able to hold 2 water bottles. Thanks again.

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    I have owned the M10 TR 19 since December and am happy to help answer any questions that I can. For reference, I came from years of hard tail MTB only. I am approximately 6' 2" and 175 LBS. What appealed to me about the OIZ (and I did a pretty in depth review of several bikes on paper) was:
    * New geometry
    * double water cages (endurance/bikepacking)
    * weight?
    * OIZ has been solid for me over the years.

    My intended use was primarily fast XC style singletrack with occasional road trips to more popular areas, like Asheville / North Georgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagster View Post
    I have owned the M10 TR 19 since December and am happy to help answer any questions that I can. For reference, I came from years of hard tail MTB only. I am approximately 6' 2" and 175 LBS. What appealed to me about the OIZ (and I did a pretty in depth review of several bikes on paper) was:
    * New geometry
    * double water cages (endurance/bikepacking)
    * weight?
    * OIZ has been solid for me over the years.

    My intended use was primarily fast XC style singletrack with occasional road trips to more popular areas, like Asheville / North Georgia
    Did you ever consider the Canyon Lux and if so what pushed you towards the Orbea? My issue is either bike I would have to buy sight unseen and shipped as there isn't an Orbea dealer anywhere near and of course Canyon is internet direct.

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    Shagster what size did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstandfest View Post
    Did you ever consider the Canyon Lux and if so what pushed you towards the Orbea? My issue is either bike I would have to buy sight unseen and shipped as there isn't an Orbea dealer anywhere near and of course Canyon is internet direct.
    I haven't had the Oiz nearly as long as shagster but I did consider the Canyon Lux as well. I went with the Oiz because of a few component preferences (I prefer Shimano brakes and wanted to try Fox suspension), I thought I'd like the Oiz geometry better, and I liked that I could go with 120/120 without really giving up much. Also, the Oiz just felt like a better overall value. Never threw a leg over either bike before I ordered so in a similar situation to you but still happy with my decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstandfest View Post
    Did you ever consider the Canyon Lux and if so what pushed you towards the Orbea? My issue is either bike I would have to buy sight unseen and shipped as there isn't an Orbea dealer anywhere near and of course Canyon is internet direct.
    Yes, I did and it was one of the first I was leaning on. But, as I recall, it did not have the "modern geo" and that was really the only thing that kept me from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keola View Post
    Shagster what size did you go with?
    I went with a Large. The geometry change is throwing me off a bit and I still make slight adjustments to the cockpit for fit. What I have found to be my personal preference, is to ride the saddle height slightly higher than my normal fit. I run a 90mm stem at the very top of the stack, angled 6 degrees down. I don't know if this "elevated" position is due to the frame being too small or relative to the new Geo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chapman_164 View Post
    I haven't had the Oiz nearly as long as shagster but I did consider the Canyon Lux as well. I went with the Oiz because of a few component preferences (I prefer Shimano brakes and wanted to try Fox suspension), I thought I'd like the Oiz geometry better, and I liked that I could go with 120/120 without really giving up much. Also, the Oiz just felt like a better overall value. Never threw a leg over either bike before I ordered so in a similar situation to you but still happy with my decision.
    Did you end up purchasing via internet/telephone and having the Oiz shipped to you or did you travel to find an Orbea dealer? I don't have any Orbea dealer remotely close so would need somewhere willing to sell and ship without setting foot in a store...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstandfest View Post
    Did you end up purchasing via internet/telephone and having the Oiz shipped to you or did you travel to find an Orbea dealer? I don't have any Orbea dealer remotely close so would need somewhere willing to sell and ship without setting foot in a store...
    I didn't have a dealer nearby either so I talked to a few online retailers. Mike's Bikes and Bike Bling were both very helpful and I wouldn't hesitate to do business with either, but I ended up going with Jenson - they were very helpful as well and had the bike in stock. Shipping was very quick and the bike arrived beautifully packed (huge box, just had to put the front wheel on, throw on my pedals, and it was ready to ride).

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    Sounds awesome! What size tires are you using and how much clearance is there on the rear?

    Quote Originally Posted by shagster View Post
    I have owned the M10 TR 19 since December and am happy to help answer any questions that I can. For reference, I came from years of hard tail MTB only. I am approximately 6' 2" and 175 LBS. What appealed to me about the OIZ (and I did a pretty in depth review of several bikes on paper) was:
    * New geometry
    * double water cages (endurance/bikepacking)
    * weight?
    * OIZ has been solid for me over the years.

    My intended use was primarily fast XC style singletrack with occasional road trips to more popular areas, like Asheville / North Georgia

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    I've been scouring the web for the erd on the rim of the crossmax wheelset. Does anyone have it? I'd like to replace the hoops and go a touch wider- 27-30mm rather than the 22.5 stock wheels. A wheelset may in order at some point but I'd rather just re-lace the stock wheels with a wider hoop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king_dave72 View Post
    Sounds awesome! What size tires are you using and how much clearance is there on the rear?
    2.25 Mezcal and there is 10mm on either side to the chainstay

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    Hi,

    Do anyone knows if we can use the Fox 3 position remote control with the i-line suspension?
    Has anyone tried it?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptormig View Post
    Hi,

    Do anyone knows if we can use the Fox 3 position remote control with the i-line suspension?
    Has anyone tried it?

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    There would be no benefit to doing this. We had a customer that wanted to do this, so we called Fox and they let us know that valve is binary, meaning the compression circuit is either opened or closed.

    Sadly adding the third click on the remote wouldn't do anything to make the shock work differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLAwrench View Post
    There would be no benefit to doing this. We had a customer that wanted to do this, so we called Fox and they let us know that valve is binary, meaning the compression circuit is either opened or closed.

    Sadly adding the third click on the remote wouldn't do anything to make the shock work differently.
    This was my main doubt, not if I could but if the shock would behave differently because it's not a generic Fox Factory shock.
    Another thing that I noticed is that the shock also doesn't have the low compression dial. Is it true?
    Does anyone miss this functionality?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptormig View Post
    Another thing that I noticed is that the shock also doesn't have the low compression dial. Is it true?
    Does anyone miss this functionality?
    It's true that the shock does not have the low speed compression dial. Only adjustment is rebound. As to if I miss the functionality, being my first full suspension bike I don't have much to compare it to, but in the little bit of riding I've done I haven't felt like I need more low speed damping. And with the remote it's easy enough to lock out on on road climbs.

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    I just built up my new Oiz last week and put two good rides in this weekend. I am impressed.

    I can't believe how well the bike climbs. Coming from the old Oiz with a 3-position iCD lockout I was pretty sure that I was going to miss that middle setting. I don't, the bike is firm and stiff under power, I am not having to use that lockout lever to make the bike "stand up" on the steep climbs.

    I am still dialling in the bike for descending. I think the fork has one or two less volume spacers than I am use to. It is taking a bit time to find the right pressure in the front get the balance that I am looking for. But I think I am in the ball park now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    ...
    I am not having to use that lockout lever to make the bike "stand up" on the steep climbs...
    Thanks for posting, I have an XC Oiz on order and was wondering this exact thing this weekend when I was out on my 2013 Jet 9 RDO going over rollers. I love to stand and power over these things to keep momentum up and hitting the lockout at every top and bottom would get old fast.

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    Nice! I'm interested in an Oiz with 120/120 set up. I'm just about the same weight. I'm coming from a 100 mm RS 32 mm fork on a HT. What kind of suspension are you used to? A lot of suspension seems to be tuned for riders heavier than me and I'd like to learn more about how to tune suspension for some light like me.

    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    I just built up my new Oiz last week and put two good rides in this weekend. I am impressed.

    I can't believe how well the bike climbs. Coming from the old Oiz with a 3-position iCD lockout I was pretty sure that I was going to miss that middle setting. I don't, the bike is firm and stiff under power, I am not having to use that lockout lever to make the bike "stand up" on the steep climbs.

    I am still dialling in the bike for descending. I think the fork has one or two less volume spacers than I am use to. It is taking a bit time to find the right pressure in the front get the balance that I am looking for. But I think I am in the ball park now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    I just built up my new Oiz last week and put two good rides in this weekend. I am impressed...
    Do you have the XC or TR version? I am just a few kgs heavier and I am coming to XC from enduro, so I am wondering if I'll need more/bigger spacers for the suspension. I'll have Oiz TR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDee81 View Post
    Do you have the XC or TR version? I am just a few kgs heavier and I am coming to XC from enduro, so I am wondering if I'll need more/bigger spacers for the suspension. I'll have Oiz TR.
    I am running the XC version.

    I do not believe that aggressive riders require more volume spacers. How many volume spacers you prefer has more to do with your suspension preference, primary trail type, and suspension travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    I am running the XC version.

    I do not believe that aggressive riders require more volume spacers. How many volume spacers you prefer has more to do with your suspension preference, primary trail type, and suspension travel.
    Thanks.

    I meant it more in the sense that I will be riding also gnarlier trails than most XC people and if the suspension is too soft, well it's no good. I also read that the TR version has more linear suspension than the XC version.
    On another note when I did one XC race on borrowed bike last year, most of the guys were damn slow on the downhills (nothing technical, just straight line bombing). But maybe the stock tune is not for these regular guys. Then it would be fine. I guess I'll see.

    I checked the Fox's recommended starting settings and you are way higher on the fork (psi) and your rebound settings are quite far from recommended too for your psi, so it might be just your specific preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDee81 View Post
    I checked the Fox's recommended starting settings and you are way higher on the fork (psi) and your rebound settings are quite far from recommended too for your psi, so it might be just your specific preference.
    True, but my wife's set-up mirrors mine. She is 52kg and runs 72psi and 11 clicks LSR in the front, and 132 and 9 clicks of LSR in the rear. It was actually Fox that put that set-up on her bike.
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    Maybe a long shot, but can anyone compare a TR version to a Tallboy3?

    I'm looking for a all day/everyday bike with 3-4 marathon (50-100mi) races per year. My everyday riding is in Delaware, so 120/120 sounds perfect for what I need on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Maybe a long shot, but can anyone compare a TR version to a Tallboy3?

    I'm looking for a all day/everyday bike with 3-4 marathon (50-100mi) races per year. My everyday riding is in Delaware, so 120/120 sounds perfect for what I need on a daily basis.
    The Oiz is lighter and definitely feels more XC ,Iíd consider the TB3 to be a better trail bike and the Oiz to be a better long legged race bike.

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    What about the Oiz TR or buying one of the Oiz XC bikes with the 120mm suspension upgrade?

    Quote Originally Posted by nolamonster View Post
    The Oiz is lighter and definitely feels more XC ,Iíd consider the TB3 to be a better trail bike and the Oiz to be a better long legged race bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king_dave72 View Post
    What about the Oiz TR or buying one of the Oiz XC bikes with the 120mm suspension upgrade?
    The XC with the 120 upgrade is what Iím comparing. The TB3 just feels like a burlier bike. It could just be the vpp vs the single pivot.

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    What was your motivation to get an XC bike with the 120 fork/shock vs getting the TR? Was it just to get a nicer spec like the Team or LTD?

    I was planning on getting the TR spec before because I was only planning on getting the M10 model, but just crunching the numbers now I'm reconsidering. The 120 travel 'kit' is $169 to add. I previously thought that was fork only but the website makes it sound like that includes the longer stroke in the rear travel too.

    The only other differences I see in the M10-TR vs the normal M10 then are the dropper and a slightly beefier tire. Subtracting out the $169 for the suspension 'upgrade', you're paying $231 on the TR for the Aeffect dropper and the tire. That's not outrageous and I actually do want a a dropper, but for ~$200 I think I could get a nicer dropper than the Aeffect...

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    I went with the TR, but I got it for the price of the M10. I sold the dropper, bars, Stem, saddle and wheels, etc.

    The price for the LTD is nuts. The M10 and TR are pretty reasonable, in my opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tgarson View Post
    .... and the tire....
    And technically, if you are ordering, the tires are a "no charge" option.

    So another way to look at it is...
    The XC w/ custom upgrade to 120mm and dropper is $100 less than a TR (at least on the Orbea site right now). Who knows why.

    All that said, if you can find a TR in a shop and you wanted to be riding any time soon, even if there was stuff to take off, it might be worth it. Looks like lead times are June/July right now, mine that was ordered Feb 22nd isn't due until June 17th (and I hope it's not delayed).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    True, but my wife's set-up mirrors mine. She is 52kg and runs 72psi and 11 clicks LSR in the front, and 132 and 9 clicks of LSR in the rear. It was actually Fox that put that set-up on her bike.
    LMN,
    What sag are you running?

    OK, I'll chime in.

    Last year I owned 2 new S-Works Epics. Great climbing bikes - WHEN THEY WORKED. I ran one SS with a tensioner, and one geared. I blew through 3 Brains. Total junk, but supposedly they fixed this problem. Both were sold as I could no longer wait for Specialized to service my rear shock - more than 2 week turn around.

    Next up, Santa Cruz Blur. 20.5 lbs. Much more comfortable bike for long rides over 30 miles. For some reason, this bike seemed boring to me. Sold

    Next - Orange Stage 4. Rode this bike all winter and it was just plain fun. I love this bike, but it is noway an XC race bike. More like an all day trail bike. It does everything right but for me is on the heavier side. 24 lbs. and change. Still light, but not where I like my bikes to be. Did I say I love this bike???

    So I ordered an OIZ based on everything I read about it. I received it last week, took all the parts off of it, and built it up with my wheels, cockpit, and drivetrain. Off to the trail. Tonight was the first ride and what I can say is, this bike turns incredibly. It is so maneuverable. I set a bunch of PRs today on a tight technical trail. However, this bike does in no way climb as efficient as the Epic, or even the Blur. It seems to do well while seated, clawing its way over any roots or rocks, much like the Orange. But, standing with the suspension open - FORGET IT. I guess that is why it has a lock out.

    It is a fun bike for sure, and pedals well seated, but out of the 3 other XC bikes above, it seems lacking when standing. So, as of right now, I'm sick of buying and building bikes, and will keep this one probably for a year or two, but I will definitely be playing with this suspension to try to dial it in.

    Any help would be appreciated. 5'9" - 70 kg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    LMN,
    What sag are you running?

    So I ordered an OIZ based on everything I read about it. I received it last week, took all the parts off of it, and built it up with my wheels, cockpit, and drivetrain. Off to the trail. Tonight was the first ride and what I can say is, this bike turns incredibly. It is so maneuverable. I set a bunch of PRs today on a tight technical trail. However, this bike does in no way climb as efficient as the Epic, or even the Blur. It seems to do well while seated, clawing its way over any roots or rocks, much like the Orange. But, standing with the suspension open - FORGET IT. I guess that is why it has a lock out.

    It is a fun bike for sure, and pedals well seated, but out of the 3 other XC bikes above, it seems lacking when standing. So, as of right now, I'm sick of buying and building bikes, and will keep this one probably for a year or two, but I will definitely be playing with this suspension to try to dial it in.

    Any help would be appreciated. 5'9" - 70 kg.
    SAG, not sure. Not a lot though maybe 10-15%.

    I am pretty damm happy with how my oiz climbs when open. And I am typically a lockout user.

    Are you on the 120mm bike or 100mm bike? I know the 120mm bike runs a way different shock tune then 100mm bike. That shock is going to be a lot more active. If that is what you are running, try going to smaller volume spacer and increasing the air pressure. This should firm things up.

    My current set-up is 140psi, stock volume spacer. Bike is nice and firm out of the saddle and I am using full travel but not hitting bottom.
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    XC.

    My Sag was at about 15%. About 165-170 psi for my 155 lbs.

    Just did a 38 mile ride today. While the bike is definitely fast something just doesn't seem right.

    Too stiff over high speed chatter, spongy out of the saddle, but climbs good seated.

    It seems to me less sag would make it even more harsh on faster hits.

    This frame with my Orange suspension would be brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    XC.

    My Sag was at about 15%. About 165-170 psi for my 155 lbs.

    Just did a 38 mile ride today. While the bike is definitely fast something just doesn't seem right.

    Too stiff over high speed chatter, spongy out of the saddle, but climbs good seated.

    It seems to me less sag would make it even more harsh on faster hits.

    This frame with my Orange suspension would be brilliant.
    That pressure seems in range for your weight. Both my wife and I have softened our bikes as we dial in the settings.

    When I think about it I can't honestly give an opinion who it climbs out of the saddle when open. If the ground is smooth and I am climbing out of the saddle I just about always lock the suspension.

    I know I am super happy with how it climbs out of the saddle across rough terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    That pressure seems in range for your weight. Both my wife and I have softened our bikes as we dial in the settings.

    When I think about it I can't honestly give an opinion who it climbs out of the saddle when open. If the ground is smooth and I am climbing out of the saddle I just about always lock the suspension.

    I know I am super happy with how it climbs out of the saddle across rough terrain.
    I have the trail edition and I am extremely happy with how it climbs while in open mode. I have always been a fan of having and using lockout but honestly haven't really felt the need on this bike yet. I weigh roughly 172 lbs and run about 160 PSI rear which puts me just under 25% sag. I have slowly tightened the rebound and if I am not mistaken, I am 7 clicks from closed. It has taken a while for me to adjust both my riding style and the bike but I am loving it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagster View Post
    I have the trail edition and I am extremely happy with how it climbs while in open mode. I have always been a fan of having and using lockout but honestly haven't really felt the need on this bike yet. I weigh roughly 172 lbs and run about 160 PSI rear which puts me just under 25% sag. I have slowly tightened the rebound and if I am not mistaken, I am 7 clicks from closed. It has taken a while for me to adjust both my riding style and the bike but I am loving it now.
    I think everyone is missing my point.

    The bike climbs great - especially seated.

    While standing, it still climbs well, but not like an Epic. It has a lot more suspension travel than I am used to. More than my Orange.

    My problem is with the chatter, small bump compliance. It's harsh.

    I spoke with the bike shop that I bought it from and they asked Orbea what the SAG should be. They replied 25%. If you are 150 lbs or less, then you can run more SAG.

    I am heading out shortly and will try 30% because I'm right in the 150 pound range.

    My rebound is set approximately in the middle.

    If the bike is too harsh still, I will either buy the TR rear shock, or tranfer the shock from my Orange to this bike. Luckily they are both 190x40.
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    UPDATE:

    30% Sag. Much better all around.New Oiz-20190409_121148.jpg

    And No, those are not Maxxis tires!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
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    30% Sag. Much better all around.Click image for larger version. 

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    Yes, all around better performing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
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    And No, those are not Maxxis tires!
    Build details, please! Bike looks great.


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    Thanks for all the feedback. I'm very interested in this bike and like you I'm on the lighter side (135 lbs at 5'9") and coming from a HT I'm curious about how FS will feel. Do you think removing a volume spacer from the rear shock would help? I admit I don't know much about doing this or if its possible with this shock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    I think everyone is missing my point.

    The bike climbs great - especially seated.

    While standing, it still climbs well, but not like an Epic. It has a lot more suspension travel than I am used to. More than my Orange.

    My problem is with the chatter, small bump compliance. It's harsh.

    I spoke with the bike shop that I bought it from and they asked Orbea what the SAG should be. They replied 25%. If you are 150 lbs or less, then you can run more SAG.

    I am heading out shortly and will try 30% because I'm right in the 150 pound range.

    My rebound is set approximately in the middle.

    If the bike is too harsh still, I will either buy the TR rear shock, or tranfer the shock from my Orange to this bike. Luckily they are both 190x40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king_dave72 View Post
    Thanks for all the feedback. I'm very interested in this bike and like you I'm on the lighter side (135 lbs at 5'9") and coming from a HT I'm curious about how FS will feel. Do you think removing a volume spacer from the rear shock would help? I admit I don't know much about doing this or if its possible with this shock.
    Volume spacers are for the ending stroke to prevent bottom out if you are using all of your travel.

    What do you want in a bike? If you want efficiency of a hardtail, you can't beat the Epic.

    If you want a soft ride get the Santa Cruz Blur.

    The OIZ is very much in between, but it handles incredible. This is the best maneuvering bike I've owned.

    I've found that no bike is good at everything so you have to decide what you want and then search for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
    Build details, please! Bike looks great.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Size Large MYO
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnyquist View Post
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    Agree very much with your last point.

    I am looking for something in between. Most of the trails near where I live are XCish and I don't want to be so overbiked that the trails lose their challenge (not that I think that would happen with the Blur, mind you).

    I like the Epic except the propietary suspension and the hassle that involves. It's why I haven't also pursued the Cannondale Scalpel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Volume spacers are for the ending stroke to prevent bottom out if you are using all of your travel.

    What do you want in a bike? If you want efficiency of a hardtail, you can't beat the Epic.

    If you want a soft ride get the Santa Cruz Blur.

    The OIZ is very much in between, but it handles incredible. This is the best maneuvering bike I've owned.

    I've found that no bike is good at everything so you have to decide what you want and then search for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king_dave72 View Post
    Agree very much with your last point.

    I am looking for something in between. Most of the trails near where I live are XCish and I don't want to be so overbiked that the trails lose their challenge (not that I think that would happen with the Blur, mind you).

    I like the Epic except the propietary suspension and the hassle that involves. It's why I haven't also pursued the Cannondale Scalpel.
    I've had 2 Epics and blew through 3 Brains. It was a nightmare.

    Get the OIZ and maybe the TR version. From what I've read, the TR version is a stellar bike. Also, with the MyO, you can get whatever color you want.

    I would have bought one, except I have an Orange Stage 4, so no need for 2 XC/Trail bikes. I love the Orange and will never sell it (except for a new Orange), but it is not a race bike.

    Good luck with your purchase.
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    Nice looking build. And good to see that you are rocking the straight post. I keep swapping the dropper on and off my XC bike, for some reason I really enjoy riding an XC bike with a straight post. Well, at least until someone with a dropper puts me in the hurt locker on a descent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    Nice looking build. And good to see that you are rocking the straight post. I keep swapping the dropper on and off my XC bike, for some reason I really enjoy riding an XC bike with a straight post. Well, at least until someone with a dropper puts me in the hurt locker on a descent.
    We don't have descents in SE Michigan. Dropper posts are just added weight around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Size Large MYO
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    Sub 20 lbs? I would think so with that build. Very nice.

    I've been waffling on this bike, the Blur, and the Lux to replace my aging hardtail with a delaminating bb. I've also considered getting another hardtail because this is mostly a race bike for me and the courses are pretty low on tech. I just don't like "riding" a hardtail much anymore (racing I can deal with it). To confuse things further there are rumors floating around that ibis (my favorite brand) might be releasing something in this category...we'll see if anything comes out during Sea Otter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizango View Post
    Sub 20 lbs? I would think so with that build. Very nice.

    I've been waffling on this bike, the Blur, and the Lux to replace my aging hardtail with a delaminating bb. I've also considered getting another hardtail because this is mostly a race bike for me and the courses are pretty low on tech. I just don't like "riding" a hardtail much anymore (racing I can deal with it). To confuse things further there are rumors floating around that ibis (my favorite brand) might be releasing something in this category...we'll see if anything comes out during Sea Otter.
    I don't think it's sub 20 lbs. My blur was 19.5 lbs with Duke wheels.

    The Massi tires are also about 40-50 grams more each than the Rocket Rons. I also had to stop using foam grips due to thumb pain in my right hand. I still haven't resolved that issue.

    For racing, I don't think you can beat an Epic, but the proprietary stuff I would have to stay away knowing what I know now.

    I would not get the Blur. I was only 4 minutes faster on my Blur this past year at Iceman, than I was on my single speed and I was in much better shape. That bike was very comfortable, but I did not get along well with it when it was time to go fast.

    I too thought about the Canyon Lux. But the more I looked at it, I couldn't get past the 70 degree head angle. Having switched to slacker bikes, they are just more stable. Even that 1 degree makes a big difference for me.

    I did have a new Epic hardtail that I ran SS and that was a pretty comfortable bike and obviously fast and very light. The frame weighed 920 grams for a size large, and I think the bike was 16-17 pounds if I recall, but I don't have a picture of it. This might be a good route for racing if you don't "need" full suspension.
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    I have a 2018 Epic FS now as an XC race bike and I was thinking of going to something different like the Spark or Oiz.....

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    Loving my new Orbea Oiz.....

    Question: Any concern that the right side shifter is hitting the frame with the -12 degree / 90mm stem? I'm thinking that any kind of crash that twists the bars into the frame could result in some top tube damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    Loving my new Orbea Oiz.....

    Question: Any concern that the right side shifter is hitting the frame with the -12 degree / 90mm stem? I'm thinking that any kind of crash that twists the bars into the frame could result in some top tube damage.
    Yes, it's possible.

    I need to look at it more closely tonight. Right now, I have 2 spacers under the stem and the top tube slants down quite far. Hopefully it clears. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Yes, it's possible.

    I need to look at it more closely tonight. Right now, I have 2 spacers under the stem and the top tube slants down quite far. Hopefully it clears. We'll see.
    Let me know how you make out.

    I'm running the two spacers as well. Stock bars, Sram shifter on a large frame.

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    If I remember I'll post some pictures.
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    Just received my TR version today! Haven't taken it for a ride yet but I already know I need a shorter stem and wider bars with a slight rise. I feel like they could have given the cockpit a more trail spec along with the suspension and dropper. I did swap out the 125 dropper for a 160 Bike Yoke revive. Im 5'-10" with short inseam and still had another inch of room with the 160 on a size large frame.

    It's 25.8lbs setup tubeless, with xt pedals and 160mm dropper. Everything else is stock...for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    Loving my new Orbea Oiz.....

    Question: Any concern that the right side shifter is hitting the frame with the -12 degree / 90mm stem? I'm thinking that any kind of crash that twists the bars into the frame could result in some top tube damage.
    As someone who slams stems and never has shifters clear I have found the trick is to leave the shifter loose enough that it will easily move when hit. 15 years and I have never damaged a top tube due to a crash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    As someone who slams stems and never has shifters clear I have found the trick is to leave the shifter loose enough that it will easily move when hit. 15 years and I have never damaged a top tube due to a crash.
    That's a great idea.

    I do love this stem and the riding position. But, I did do a quick test and it barely hits.

    I'm afraid I couldn't leave my shifter loose "enough". I wouldn't know how to judge that. So, I did what any wimp does and ordered a new stem. Wren sports 70mm 6 degree.

    One thing I have to point out is that I cannot get my seatpost to stay up. I've tried all torque settings - 5, 5.5, and 6 Nm. I've also applied 2 different compounds and have used sand paper to rough up my post. No luck.

    As soon as that seat drops, the knee pain starts and I know it's down just enough and I can't think straight. So I ordered a new clamp. Hopefully it will solve the problem or I will have to move on to another post. Bummer!
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    Can anyone with a TR version post their shock tune (code) on here for reference?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Can anyone with a TR version post their shock tune (code) on here for reference?

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    Mine is DM22
    Interesting. A very different tune from the XC.

    I think I'm going to swap over my Orange Stage 4 shock to my bike and see how it performs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Interesting. A very different tune from the XC.

    I think I'm going to swap over my Orange Stage 4 shock to my bike and see how it performs.
    I raced the bike on Sunday and ran 190 psi in the shock and it performed great. I weight about 170 gear up.

    That puts me at approx 20% sag I think. Anymore than that and the shock wallows to much for racing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Interesting. A very different tune from the XC.

    I think I'm going to swap over my Orange Stage 4 shock to my bike and see how it performs.
    I'm curious as to what your tune is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    I raced the bike on Sunday and ran 190 psi in the shock and it performed great. I weight about 170 gear up.

    That puts me at approx 20% sag I think. Anymore than that and the shock wallows to much for racing
    I'm sure it races great at 20% sag.

    How does if feel all day in the saddle on constant hits from rocks and roots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    I'm curious as to what your tune is?
    For the OIZ or for the Orange?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    I'm sure it races great at 20% sag.

    How does if feel all day in the saddle on constant hits from rocks and roots?
    Just OK....I'm thinking about sending it off to PUSH. I'm thinking it would work better with a bit more compression. That way I could back off the air pressure slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerort View Post
    for the oiz or for the orange?
    oiz

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    The OIZ is DP67:
    Rebound Reverse, Orbea, Oiz, 190, 40, 0.2 Spacer, DCL, DRM, CMF

    The TR is DM22:
    Rebound Reverse, Orbea, Oiz, 190, 45, No Spacer, LCL, LRM, CMF

    And my Orange is DGP8:
    190, 40, 0.4 Spacer, LCM, LRM, CMF

    It's worth a try.
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    Question for folks who have the Oiz - have you had any issues with the upper linkage coming loose or having too much play? I've read about this issue on the Intense forum with the Sniper. Is this an intense issue, or common with the vpp design?

    I'm close to pulling the trigger on an M10-TR - rode it twice at a festival and loved it. Like the Sniper on paper, but having a heck of a time lining up a demo ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    I'm sure it races great at 20% sag.

    How does if feel all day in the saddle on constant hits from rocks and roots?
    It is interesting on how your local trails effect what your preferred set-up in. My local trails are made up of relatively smooth 10-15 minute climbs followed by descents where you absolutely smash your bike. My preffered set-up reflects this. I like my bike stiff for the climbs, and I need the suspension stiff for the descents. Whereas I suspect if I rode your trails I would prefer a softer set-up for constant rough low grade terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkr26 View Post
    Question for folks who have the Oiz - have you had any issues with the upper linkage coming loose or having too much play? I've read about this issue on the Intense forum with the Sniper. Is this an intense issue, or common with the vpp design?

    I'm close to pulling the trigger on an M10-TR - rode it twice at a festival and loved it. Like the Sniper on paper, but having a heck of a time lining up a demo ride.
    I believe the Sniper issue was on very early frames that they fixed pretty quickly, I think if you read the big long thread in the Intense section they discuss it.
    I like how the Oiz has 2 bottles over the Sniper, I like how the Sniper seems to not fall apart like the SB100, I wish you could order the Oiz with the 120 fork but the 100 shock.
    All the gear and no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mik_git View Post
    I believe the Sniper issue was on very early frames that they fixed pretty quickly, I think if you read the big long thread in the Intense section they discuss it.
    I like how the Oiz has 2 bottles over the Sniper, I like how the Sniper seems to not fall apart like the SB100, I wish you could order the Oiz with the 120 fork but the 100 shock.
    Re: the SB100 comparison, I like how the large M10-TRs are coming in around 25lbs with pedals and it costs $8k+ to get a 25lb SB100 spec. For how heavy that bike is youíd think it would be more durable.

    On the Sniper front I was super close to buying one last year but couldnít get the spec I wanted in time. Glad I waited now. I wasnít too worried about the flex at the time, but really wanted the second bottle and there was quite a bit of discussion on the Sniper thread that the real world weights people were seeing were a pound or more higher than what Intense is advertising on their site. I still am very skeptical of their reported weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgarson View Post
    Re: the SB100 comparison, I like how the large M10-TRs are coming in around 25lbs with pedals and it costs $8k+ to get a 25lb SB100 spec. For how heavy that bike is youíd think it would be more durable.

    On the Sniper front I was super close to buying one last year but couldnít get the spec I wanted in time. Glad I waited now. I wasnít too worried about the flex at the time, but really wanted the second bottle and there was quite a bit of discussion on the Sniper thread that the real world weights people were seeing were a pound or more higher than what Intense is advertising on their site. I still am very skeptical of their reported weights.
    My M10-TR is currently at 24.5 lbs. I did swap out the stock wheel set with some Lightbicycle carbon rims / DT240 hubs / xray spokes. Full carbon seat and light weight rotors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkr26 View Post
    Question for folks who have the Oiz - have you had any issues with the upper linkage coming loose or having too much play? I've read about this issue on the Intense forum with the Sniper. Is this an intense issue, or common with the vpp design?

    I'm close to pulling the trigger on an M10-TR - rode it twice at a festival and loved it. Like the Sniper on paper, but having a heck of a time lining up a demo ride.
    Seems like inventory on the Oiz is going fast, so I stopped by the LBS, made an offer on an in-stock bike, and now I'm a proud owner. The lifetime warranty and lack of responsiveness from Intense after 3 tries to line up a demo helped me take action.

    Thanks for the feedback guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtbkr26 View Post
    Seems like inventory on the Oiz is going fast, so I stopped by the LBS, made an offer on an in-stock bike, and now I'm a proud owner. The lifetime warranty and lack of responsiveness from Intense after 3 tries to line up a demo helped me take action.

    Thanks for the feedback guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    You won't be disappointed!

    This is the best handling bike I have owned after coming from a Cannondale Scalpel.
    What year scalpel are you coming off of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by codytaylor View Post
    What year scalpel are you coming off of?
    2015

    I was going to go with a 2019 Scalpel....but was sick of doing bearing resets before every ride and wanted something different.

    Now I'm seeing a bunch of problems with the new Ocho and I'm glad I went Orbea this time

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    2015

    I was going to go with a 2019 Scalpel....but was sick of doing bearing resets before every ride and wanted something different.

    Now I'm seeing a bunch of problems with the new Ocho and I'm glad I went Orbea this time
    Ok I rode the newer model back to back along with my 2018 Epic and that Scalpel was the best cornering bike I've ever been on. Both have the same HT angle but drastically different fork offsets.

    What's going wrong with the Ochos?

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    There is a batch of them that are leaking.

    I suggest you read some of Mendon's posts (Cannondale guro) in the Cannondale forum.

    He has a lot of insight on what Cannondale has become. I just happen to agree with him...my opinion.

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    New Oiz-img_8616.jpg

    First ride on the books.

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    Stock seat, bar, stem, brakes

    Removed volume spacers in fork for a bit less chatter. Thinking i'll dig into the rear shock and see what the volume spacer situation is in there.

    25lbs with bottle cages

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    Thanks! looking forward to the ride report on the Oiz and the Sram AXS!

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    First ride on the books.

    M-LTD TR
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    Stock seat, bar, stem, brakes

    Removed volume spacers in fork for a bit less chatter. Thinking i'll dig into the rear shock and see what the volume spacer situation is in there.

    25lbs with bottle cages

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOLAwrench View Post
    Removed volume spacers in fork for a bit less chatter. Thinking i'll dig into the rear shock and see what the volume spacer situation is in there.
    Hey man, removing volume spacers don't do anything for chatter, really only decrease near end of stroke ramp up/progression. In fact, adding volume spacers and reducing pressure a touch may give you slightly better off the top performance. If you're really looking for better top of stroke compliance consider checking out the Luftkappe and if it'll work for that fork. Cheaper option is doing an air spring rebuild even when new, fox often has the the neg chamber crammed with grease and/or dry wiper seals from factory.

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    Hey, I did a test ride yesterday on a L and XL Oiz TRs and while looking at the pictures, I just realized the frame and shock mount are different between the two.

    Here is the L: Fiberlink mounted on top tube boss, and it looks like the the bikes on the website.
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    Here is the XL: Fiberlink mounted on a separate boss from the top tube.
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    I'm not saying this matters other that aesthetics but just something I noticed.

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    ^^^Looks like they did that to maintain the suspension kinematics. If they put the link higher up, the seat stay would have to line up with it. Which would require a completely different rear triangle design.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    ^^^Looks like they did that to maintain the suspension kinematics. If they put the link higher up, the seat stay would have to line up with it. Which would require a completely different rear triangle design.
    I totally get it, just never seen it before. Heck, TBH, I didn't even notice it when I saw the bikes in person. It was only after when I saw the two pics side by side and thought it was interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    You won't be disappointed!

    This is the best handling bike I have owned after coming from a Cannondale Scalpel.
    Funny, that's the same thoughts i had when i got mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Funny, that's the same thoughts i had when i got mine.
    How are you making out with your rear shock?

    I've read on a number of websites that the Oiz is suppose to be set up with "low sag" (15%) which is different from their website.

    I'm currently running 190 psi (per attachment) and find the shock to wallow quite a bit under power out of the saddle.

    Are you getting the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    How are you making out with your rear shock?

    I've read on a number of websites that the Oiz is suppose to be set up with "low sag" (15%) which is different from their website.

    I'm currently running 190 psi (per attachment) and find the shock to wallow quite a bit under power out of the saddle.

    Are you getting the same?
    I tried the low sag setting. The chattery roots and rock made it unbearable.

    For me, the best setting I have found is 30% sag and seated climbing. It took about 50% of the pain away on those small rapid hits. And, the bike climbs incredible when seated. With the steep seat angle, I feel I don"t even have to move forward on the saddle.

    If I have to get out of the saddle to climb I just flip the switch and deal with it.

    Having ridden the latest and greatest over the past 12 months I've just come to realize there are trade offs to every bike.

    This bike turns and handles great. It rips through tight technical stuff and it's pretty fun.

    It climbs great seated. Is it super comfortable for long 60 milers - for me no. Does it climb good standing - its average.

    So I'm just going to suck it up and adapt. I'll keep the sag where it's at for now and quite possibly change up rear shock. There are some options coming online soon.

    Fox says May 7 for the 190x45, or I could go with the McLeod in either 40 or 45 stroke length which gets great reviews on this site.

    Hopefully others will chime in as more people buy this bike or experiment with settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    I tried the low sag setting. The chattery roots and rock made it unbearable.

    For me, the best setting I have found is 30% sag and seated climbing. It took about 50% of the pain away on those small rapid hits. And, the bike climbs incredible when seated. With the steep seat angle, I feel I don"t even have to move forward on the saddle.

    If I have to get out of the saddle to climb I just flip the switch and deal with it.

    Having ridden the latest and greatest over the past 12 months I've just come to realize there are trade offs to every bike.

    This bike turns and handles great. It rips through tight technical stuff and it's pretty fun.

    It climbs great seated. Is it super comfortable for long 60 milers - for me no. Does it climb good standing - its average.

    So I'm just going to suck it up and adapt. I'll keep the sag where it's at for now and quite possibly change up rear shock. There are some options coming online soon.

    Fox says May 7 for the 190x45, or I could go with the McLeod in either 40 or 45 stroke length which gets great reviews on this site.

    Hopefully others will chime in as more people buy this bike or experiment with settings.
    I'm either going to run high pressure (15%) or send it out to Avalanche so that my open mode is more like the trail setting on my previous shock on my Scalpel.

    30% sag even with slow rebound is way to soft for me...even with me weighing 170 lbs.

    Some have suggested that I add in some volume spacers, but I don't have a bottom out problem...It's just mushy through out the travel

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    Keep us posted. The tune on the TR version sounds like what you are looking for.

    Come fall, I might swap in my Orange shock. I'm just too busy at the moment to be taking on another project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    Keep us posted. The tune on the TR version sounds like what you are looking for.

    Come fall, I might swap in my Orange shock. I'm just too busy at the moment to be taking on another project.
    I think that's the problem.....I have the TR. It's a softer tune

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    I think that's the problem.....I have the TR. It's a softer tune
    Oh. My bad. I didn't realize that

    Well, try a .4 spacer. That would be the same setup as my Orange, although different suspension, and I run that at around 15-20% sag and weigh 155 lbs. There is no wallowing in that suspension but I usually keep it in the trail setting.

    Why not give the Mcleod a try? It's $311

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    Quote Originally Posted by emslibbles View Post
    Well, just pulled the trigger on a medium in the XC build (with added dropper post).

    Iím only 169cm tall, but sized up because I plan to use this as a marathon bike rather than XC racer (since iím typically a trail/enduro rider).

    Interested to hear of any other peopleís sizing in the wild!

    Hopefully I got the right size! I just wonít know until it turns up in April...
    We are (almost) the same height. Did you get it yet and if so do you feel the M size is correct? My inseam is 29.75 inches/75.5cm. Size charts put me on a small, but would like to hear some real world feedback on sizing from someone who has ridden one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfycoaster View Post
    We are (almost) the same height. Did you get it yet and if so do you feel the M size is correct?
    Unfortunately not yet @comfycoaster

    Orbea are struggling to keep up. Due to their popularity, itís been delayed till June.

    Alas, means Iíll be on 26Ē wheels for this weekendsí 100km race! Ah well. Just another month!

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfycoaster View Post
    We are (almost) the same height. Did you get it yet and if so do you feel the M size is correct? My inseam is 29.75 inches/75.5cm. Size charts put me on a small, but would like to hear some real world feedback on sizing from someone who has ridden one.
    I am 5,5 with a 29inch inseam. I have a small and a medium in the house, I prefer the fit of the medium. Plus you can fit 2 cages on the medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emslibbles View Post
    Unfortunately not yet @comfycoaster

    Orbea are struggling to keep up. Due to their popularity, itís been delayed till June.

    Alas, means Iíll be on 26Ē wheels for this weekendsí 100km race! Ah well. Just another month!
    I'm right there with you @emslibbles :|

    They say mine arrives June 17th, two weeks after my first big event of the season (although the route is mostly single track so my Jet 9 RDO won't be an excuse if I'm slow).

    I don't mind the wait but I sure hope the timeframe is accurate.

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    Thanks emslibbles! I also still run a 26 so I know how eager you must be for the new bike. Good luck on your race, and I hope it comes soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LMN View Post
    I am 5,5 with a 29inch inseam. I have a small and a medium in the house, I prefer the fit of the medium. Plus you can fit 2 cages on the medium.
    Thanks LMN! I have been leaning towards the M, and knowing you and I are similar in height and inseam is really helpful. Appreciate it.

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    Earlier in this thread there was discussion that it was a better deal to customize a 'normal' M10 I-9 through MyO and add the 120mm front/rear suspension package than to buy the M10-TR.

    Apparently Orbea has realized this and now you can no longer select the 120mm suspension package on the M10 I9. You can on the more expensive models, but they've now locked you in to the 'normal' I9 if you want the XC fork/shock and the TR if you want 120mm on an M10 spec.

    Honestly this makes a lot more sense than how it was before but I'm bummed I didn't exploit the loophole when I had the chance.

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    Anyone that has previously had a XC race bike that plans to purchase the TR version.

    The rear shocks compression damping is super soft. Even with 15% sag the shock wallows quite a bit.

    Looks like I'm going to have to send it out to be re valved

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    Quote Originally Posted by biffhamilton View Post
    Anyone that has previously had a XC race bike that plans to purchase the TR version.

    The rear shocks compression damping is super soft. Even with 15% sag the shock wallows quite a bit.

    Looks like I'm going to have to send it out to be re valved
    Iím noticing the same thing. Much different than my Czar.


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    Just layed down a few KOMs on a local tight and twisty trail.

    New Oiz-screenshot_20190430-210647_strava.jpg

    Fastest handling bike I've ever owned. Still can't get used to the suspension though on a personal level. Obviously it's doing it's job, but I need to at least try some things.

    I ordered the Manitou Mcleod and will install it hopefully on Friday. Saturday will be the first chance I will get to ride it. If so, I will post an update.

    I also ordered a Fox 34 step cast to raise this incredibly low pedal striking machine. However, that fork looks like it won't be in for a few weeks.

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