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    What's the standard size stem on the 2019/2020 Oiz? The FSA Slk stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerpoise View Post
    What's the standard size stem on the 2019/2020 Oiz? The FSA Slk stem.

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    31.8 and Bottom of the geometry page.

    SIZE CRANK STEM HANDLEBAR
    S-27 170 60 740
    S-29 170 60 740
    M-29 175 70 740
    L-29 175 70 740
    XL-29 175 90 740

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    From the manual, page 4 :

    https://www.orbea.com/downloads/prod...2020-EN-ES.pdf

    Squidlock unlocks the full performance of the FOX DPS shocks, which allow you to choose from three position -Open, Medium and Firm- enabling the bike to conform to any terrain. With Squidlock you will be able to access that third middle position, enjoying the full potential of the DPS technology.

    At the same time, Squidlock allows you to access to an intermediate position on the compression settings of FOX forks with GRIP cartridge (Performance Series).

    FOX forks with FIT4 cartridge (Factory Series) will have 2 positions available (Firm and Open), but you will be able to tune the Open position compression setting with the black dial on top of the right leg.

    If in the description of your FOX fork with FIT4 cartridge (Factory Series) it specifies “2Pos”, it will mean that when Squid-lock is in its middle position (DPS shock intermediate compression setting), it will mean that your fork will be kept in the Open mode, but you will be able to adjust the compression setting manually with the black dial.

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    Got my new Orbea Oiz M30 a couple of days ago and I rode it for the first time today. I'm really impressed by it, super fast bike and handles very well.
    My previous bike was a Radon hardtail of 2013, the Orbea is in a different league.

    Since there seem to be a lot of discussions about shock and fork I wanted to share mine.

    Shock: DZB7
    2020, FLOAT DPS, P-SE, A, Remote Up, PTU, Evol SV, Rebound Reverse, Orbea, Oiz, 190, 40, 0.2 Spacer, DCL, DRM, CMF, No Logo

    Fork: DPS8
    2020 Performance Series 32 FLOAT Grip REM PTU
    2020, 32, A, FLOAT SC, 29in, P-S, 100, Grip, Remote, Psh-Unlk, (10pm CP), Matte Blk, No Logo, 15QRx110, 1.5 T, 44mm Rake, OE

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow View Post
    From the manual, page 4 :

    https://www.orbea.com/downloads/prod...2020-EN-ES.pdf

    Squidlock unlocks the full performance of the FOX DPS shocks, which allow you to choose from three position -Open, Medium and Firm- enabling the bike to conform to any terrain. With Squidlock you will be able to access that third middle position, enjoying the full potential of the DPS technology.

    At the same time, Squidlock allows you to access to an intermediate position on the compression settings of FOX forks with GRIP cartridge (Performance Series).

    FOX forks with FIT4 cartridge (Factory Series) will have 2 positions available (Firm and Open), but you will be able to tune the Open position compression setting with the black dial on top of the right leg.

    If in the description of your FOX fork with FIT4 cartridge (Factory Series) it specifies “2Pos”, it will mean that when Squid-lock is in its middle position (DPS shock intermediate compression setting), it will mean that your fork will be kept in the Open mode, but you will be able to adjust the compression setting manually with the black dial.
    Yep.

    My 34 SC is 2-position.

    My '19 Fox DPS only has two positions though.

    Poor advertising from Orbea, it's entirely misleading.

    I'm not hugely bothered, as I pretty much assumed that would be the case - and the integrated lever is far better than the horrible fox one. It's actually much nicer than the Scott Spark 3-pos lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerpoise View Post
    ...far better than the horrible fox one...
    I like the fox lever quite a bit actually, it is smaller and works way better than the Rockshox Remote X Loc Full Sprint on my last bike (much harder to push).
    I just wish the fox remote didn't have the integrated clamp band to give a little more mounting flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSprite View Post
    I like the fox lever quite a bit actually, it is smaller and works way better than the Rockshox Remote X Loc Full Sprint on my last bike (much harder to push).
    I just wish the fox remote didn't have the integrated clamp band to give a little more mounting flexibility.
    You could hacksaw it off, and then mount to a SRAM clamp.

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    What is everyone doing for a frame bag? Ideally looking for something that fits inside the top of the front triangle.

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    Hey

    One question?
    Can you mount Magura MT8 brakes on 2019 Orbea Oiz?

    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpus.iuris. View Post
    Hey

    One question?
    Can you mount Magura MT8 brakes on 2019 Orbea Oiz?

    Thx
    It looks like it should, the flatmount is one of the selling points for the caliper.

    I only discovered how close the rear brake mounts recently, they put the caliper paper thin close to the rear chainstay!

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    Has anyone had to adjust the chain guide? Mine seems to be off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    Has anyone had to adjust the chain guide? Mine seems to be off.

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    Weird. That almost looks like a non-boost chainring/chainset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerpoise View Post
    Weird. That almost looks like a non-boost chainring/chainset.

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    It came on the bike. I noticed the guide had worked loose so tightened everything back up and that's how it fit. Possibly missing a shim somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    It came on the bike. I noticed the guide had worked loose so tightened everything back up and that's how it fit. Possibly missing a shim somewhere?

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    I tried a non-boost chainring for a short time and it looked liked your picture. My guide didn't have a shim or spacer. With a boost chainring, the guide is fairly centered. I don't think a guide is needed. I took mine off and made a plastic plug to cover the exposed hole.

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    It's fairly easy, but you will need one or two (depending on width) very small washers to space out the guide from the frame. I think mine came with 2 very small ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlechnow View Post
    It's fairly easy, but you will need one or two (depending on width) very small washers to space out the guide from the frame. I think mine came with 2 very small ones.
    Where do they sit? On the screw or on the insert part into the frame? I'm not unfamiliar with guides and shimming but the built in part of this one is a new twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    Where do they sit? On the screw or on the insert part into the frame? I'm not unfamiliar with guides and shimming but the built in part of this one is a new twist.

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    I swapped out my XT Crank for a RaceFace Crank and the chainguide was close but not exactly centered. Swapped out the spacer that was in there with 2 or 3 #6 Washers from Lowes. Worked perfect. You might have to pull the crank to get the guide on and off. And as someone pointed out earlier in this thread don't take screw #4 out, it's kind of pain to get back in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding29 View Post
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    I swapped out my XT Crank for a RaceFace Crank and the chainguide was close but not exactly centered. Swapped out the spacer that was in there with 2 or 3 #6 Washers from Lowes. Worked perfect. You might have to pull the crank to get the guide on and off. And as someone pointed out earlier in this thread don't take screw #4 out, it's kind of pain to get back in.
    Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for. I made the mistake of taking screw 4 out, ended up using a hex key to hold that nut while turning the bolt with another. I was able to get it off and on with everything attached by dropping the chain and rotating the assembly clockwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for. I made the mistake of taking screw 4 out, ended up using a hex key to hold that nut while turning the bolt with another. I was able to get it off and on with everything attached by dropping the chain and rotating the assembly clockwise.

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    Before you do anything, can you make sure your crank is actually tight? If it's wandered off the splines, you'll want to get it back on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerpoise View Post
    Before you do anything, can you make sure your crank is actually tight? If it's wandered off the splines, you'll want to get it back on there.

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    It's the shims that the Blue Paper references. I thought it was odd that I had none. I have a few laying around from an MRP for my Rallon that should do the trick.

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    It took one large and two small shims from the MRP kit and all is well.

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    Does anyone know if the 2020 non-tr M10 comes with squidlock + dropper remote? I already have a dropper, and thought it would be rad to add it when I need it without buying another squidlock or 2x lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksanman View Post
    Does anyone know if the 2020 non-tr M10 comes with squidlock + dropper remote? I already have a dropper, and thought it would be rad to add it when I need it without buying another squidlock or 2x lever.
    Given that a non-dropper Oiz doesn't even come with the extra cable pass through for the dropper (just the installed blanking plate), I would assume it would come with the squidlock version without the dropper lever but I have no proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ksanman View Post
    Does anyone know if the 2020 non-tr M10 comes with squidlock + dropper remote? I already have a dropper, and thought it would be rad to add it when I need it without buying another squidlock or 2x lever.
    You’d have to buy the other version of squidlock (with remote) or a separate dropper remote. There was a post earlier in this thread or in the squidlock thread that confirmed that models that don’t come with a dropper come with the squidlock version that is for lockout only.

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    Hi,

    I'm just about ready to buy an OIZ frame and I have a few questions and ideas you guys might be able to help with. I'm buying the frame by itself which only comes with the 190x40mm XC tuned shock. However my build will be more TR style (dropper, 120mm fork, etc).

    My main issue is that I loathe remote lockout systems and almost always run my shocks full-open even for KOM hunting. I've already pedaled around on a TR build in my size and validated that it's got enough anti squat that it will be open for 99% of my riding.

    My initial thought was to simply buy an aftermarket Fox 190x45mm shock but the only one I can find is 972-01-432 which has an LV eyelet/aircan (bigger and the SV the bike ships with) and I assume linear-ish valving. I'm not too considered with the linear valving but I am concerned about clearance and the increased air chamber size impact on kinematics. E.g. If it will be too hard to tune to my liking.

    I've already contacted Fox and Orbea about this and Fox said they'd be willing to rebuild the existing shock as a 3 pos eyelet, which I will very likely do at some point, but I think I would like to have the option of running the bike in "trail" mode with my own 45mm stroke shock and put the 40mm XC tuned shock in for racing and KOM attempts. e.g. Keep two shocks; one rebuilt from the stock XC tune to remove the remote-lockout, and one aftermarket LV aircan for marathon days.

    So here are my questions:

    1. Can a 3-pos non-remote-lockout LV EVOL aircan/eyelet shock fit into a XL OIZ frame (even if backwards)?
    2. What size are the bushings for an OIZ (I can't find the actual bushings required in the blue paper)?
    3. Has anyone ever experimented with a rockshox options?

    Some other info that might help:
    I'm 6'2", 170-180lbs, going to get the XL size. And I have a big travel bike for my more "extreme" activity. this is my go fast bike and will replace my hardtail, which I simply can't ride anymore (need rear sus).

    Cheers.

    PS: My build will be white with black logo and a orange 34SC fork. Sort of like VDP's canyon lux.

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    Manitou McLeod. Boom. Done.

    I run one on my Oiz. Read through this thread if you need more info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayfield View Post
    Hi,

    I'm just about ready to buy an OIZ frame and I have a few questions and ideas you guys might be able to help with. I'm buying the frame by itself which only comes with the 190x40mm XC tuned shock. However my build will be more TR style (dropper, 120mm fork, etc).

    My main issue is that I loathe remote lockout systems and almost always run my shocks full-open even for KOM hunting. I've already pedaled around on a TR build in my size and validated that it's got enough anti squat that it will be open for 99% of my riding.

    My initial thought was to simply buy an aftermarket Fox 190x45mm shock but the only one I can find is 972-01-432 which has an LV eyelet/aircan (bigger and the SV the bike ships with) and I assume linear-ish valving. I'm not too considered with the linear valving but I am concerned about clearance and the increased air chamber size impact on kinematics. E.g. If it will be too hard to tune to my liking.

    I've already contacted Fox and Orbea about this and Fox said they'd be willing to rebuild the existing shock as a 3 pos eyelet, which I will very likely do at some point, but I think I would like to have the option of running the bike in "trail" mode with my own 45mm stroke shock and put the 40mm XC tuned shock in for racing and KOM attempts. e.g. Keep two shocks; one rebuilt from the stock XC tune to remove the remote-lockout, and one aftermarket LV aircan for marathon days.

    So here are my questions:

    1. Can a 3-pos non-remote-lockout LV EVOL aircan/eyelet shock fit into a XL OIZ frame (even if backwards)?
    2. What size are the bushings for an OIZ (I can't find the actual bushings required in the blue paper)?
    3. Has anyone ever experimented with a rockshox options?

    Some other info that might help:
    I'm 6'2", 170-180lbs, going to get the XL size. And I have a big travel bike for my more "extreme" activity. this is my go fast bike and will replace my hardtail, which I simply can't ride anymore (need rear sus).

    Cheers.

    PS: My build will be white with black logo and a orange 34SC fork. Sort of like VDP's canyon lux.
    You're not going to be bothered swapping shocks, even if it sounds like a nice idea. So just get the shock that's right for the majority of your riding. Which sounds like getting the XC shock reshimmed to the tr length by Fox.

    Personally, I'd ride the current shock until it needs a service, and then get it reshimmed at the same time. It's the best value option, and the bike isn't going to be massively different in XC or TR shock mode. Most of the difference comes from the slightly slacker HA, and slightly higher stack from the 120 fork.

    The remote is actually a really brilliant idea for an XC bike like the OIZ, it really changes the behaviour on flat climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerpoise View Post
    You're not going to be bothered swapping shocks, even if it sounds like a nice idea. So just get the shock that's right for the majority of your riding. Which sounds like getting the XC shock reshimmed to the tr length by Fox.

    Personally, I'd ride the current shock until it needs a service, and then get it reshimmed at the same time. It's the best value option, and the bike isn't going to be massively different in XC or TR shock mode. Most of the difference comes from the slightly slacker HA, and slightly higher stack from the 120 fork.

    The remote is actually a really brilliant idea for an XC bike like the OIZ, it really changes the behaviour on flat climbs.

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    The best value option is a $288 McLeod. Now he has two shocks like he wants.

    One that pedals great which can be left open all the time with 4 on the fly settings, and his original XC shock he can race with or sell with the frame if he gets rid of it.

    Sending stuff to Fox to change it is downtime and expensive. Also lowers the value of his frame when it's time to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerort View Post
    The best value option is a $288 McLeod. Now he has two shocks like he wants.

    One that pedals great which can be left open all the time with 4 on the fly settings, and his original XC shock he can race with or sell with the frame if he gets rid of it.

    Sending stuff to Fox to change it is downtime and expensive. Also lowers the value of his frame when it's time to sell.
    Here in the UK it would be about £150 to get the shock changed. And I could send it Monday, and have it back Thursday.

    I can't see how it would devalue the frame, he'd have a TR frame instead of an XC frame then.

    I've been down the same road of having two shocks for different types of riding, and it's just an extra faff to swap them over - even if it's dead easy on the Oiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlechnow View Post

    The bike will gain a little weight in the near future. I have a 9point8 Fall Line R 150mm dropper coming next week. I also plan on replacing the QR that came with the 34 SC with a bolt on axle, so that will offset the weight gain by about 40 grams.
    I'm curious what the weight is with the fall line R installed and how it has been performing for you. I'm looking at a very similar build on my just-ordered Oiz frame. My short list for droppers are the fall line R 150mm, KS LEV CI 175mm and one up v2 180mm.

    Also, pics of the dropper installed would be cool to see.

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    Update on my frame purchase. Ordered a MYO build through my local shop (Meridian Cycles) who were really helpful. We'll send the XC tuned shock the frame comes with into Fox when it arrives for conversion to standard 3 position lockout eyelet. It also looks like the frame probably has clearance for a LV eyelet/aircan, so I'll probably do another test fitting once I send the XC shock to fox and if it looks safe buy the EVOL LV shock for the 45mm trail option.

    Regarding the shock swap. You'd have to know me but I promise you it's something I'll actually do. Lol.

    If the LV eyelet doesn't work or is too tight I'll definitely consider the Mcleod; thanks for the tip!

    Here is what it should look like..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayfield View Post
    I'm curious what the weight is with the fall line R installed and how it has been performing for you. I'm looking at a very similar build on my just-ordered Oiz frame. My short list for droppers are the fall line R 150mm, KS LEV CI 175mm and one up v2 180mm.

    Also, pics of the dropper installed would be cool to see.
    I'll take a picture tonight. I have a M10R TR with a 150mm FallLine R, Formula R1Rs, Deity Cockpit with carbon bar, and Invisiframe, everything else is stock and it's a little over 25lbs without pedals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayfield View Post
    I'm curious what the weight is with the fall line R installed and how it has been performing for you. I'm looking at a very similar build on my just-ordered Oiz frame. My short list for droppers are the fall line R 150mm, KS LEV CI 175mm and one up v2 180mm.

    Also, pics of the dropper installed would be cool to see.
    Saddle height of 30.5" as it sits. FallLine R 150mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayfield View Post
    I'm curious what the weight is with the fall line R installed and how it has been performing for you. I'm looking at a very similar build on my just-ordered Oiz frame. My short list for droppers are the fall line R 150mm, KS LEV CI 175mm and one up v2 180mm.

    Also, pics of the dropper installed would be cool to see.
    I've got the 150mm Fall Line R since June and it's been flawless. I'm using it with the X-fusion bat remote tucked in behind the fox remote. In retrospect, I could have gone 175mm but this has worked very well for me so I'm not sure it matters.

    My favorite feature is the head. The tilt and fore/aft are separate adjustments so I can move the seat forward or backwards without having to worry I've thrown off the angle or vice versa.

    Note: if you buy the dropper, get an extra seal and some of their special lube at the same time. I haven't needed either yet but I like to be prepared and shipping on those separately was 4 x the price of the order.

    For reference the frame is a large and wear a 34" inseam. The FSA post that came with it was at the min depth line with the seat in the same height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayfield View Post
    I'm curious what the weight is with the fall line R installed and how it has been performing for you. I'm looking at a very similar build on my just-ordered Oiz frame. My short list for droppers are the fall line R 150mm, KS LEV CI 175mm and one up v2 180mm.

    Also, pics of the dropper installed would be cool to see.
    My 150mm Fall Line R dropper is 441g without the actuator. Based on what someone else posted here, the actuator is probably about 8g. New Oiz-img_20191030_164332.jpg

    My bike complete, ready to roll with pedals, computer mount, 2 bottle cages, saddle bag mount and 2.35 and 2.25 Vittoria Mezcals is right at 23.5 lbs.
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    Saddle down and up on a XL frame with a 830mm center of BB to saddle rail height.

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    Dropper has been good so far. I had a little issue with it being a little fussy in the cold at an event I did that was about 32 degrees Fahrenheit at the start. The issue was it didn't want to stay down or up. It was migrating over time. I emailed support at 9point8 and they instructed me to move the t-bar down a little. I did that, but haven't had the occasion to ride it again in the cold yet. In warmer temps it has been flawless and once it warmed up about 30 minutes into that event it was fine.

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    Awesome,

    Thanks for all the info on the fallline R guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quax View Post
    Just got a 2020 Oiz frameset and have built up my new race rig. Really impressed by the frame. However, like some others I struggle a bit with the rear suspension set up.

    On another forum I read "hardtail like", "super firm", "lockout lie" and more like this. Well, "firm" is definitely firmer than "open" but it's more like a stiffer platform than like a lockout.

    Since I've already had to deal with faulty brand new Fox elements in the past I'm just wondering if the Oiz damper behaves as it should.

    What is your experience? Do you have 0% sag when in firm? No bounce at all when cruising along at higher cadence in the flats?

    Orbea speaks of a "low sag design" w/r to the Oiz. Not sure what that's supposed to mean but I get almost the same sag when in firm and open. Firm is - well - just firmer (what a statement ...).

    Would really appreciate to hear your experiences, talking suspension set ups is always sort of fuzzy.
    On my new 2020 Orbea Oiz with the remote lockout turned on the fork and rear shock is super stiff, as in you can push down on the fork or saddle and there isn't even a hint of the shocks moving.

    I tried a demo 2019 Orbea Oiz a few months ago and that was the same too, completely locked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSprite View Post
    Water bottles on the seat tube of a Large frame
    Shown shortest to tallest, the last bottle for each is touching the shock so it's a no-go.

    Specialized Carbon Z cage lowest mounting position.
    Note that the Specialized Ribcage mounts at the same level.

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    Arundel Other Sideloader Carbon Bottle Cage lowest mounting position.

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    I'd just like to say thank you for posting these pictures. It's much appreciated as it saved me so much time working out what bottle cages I needed for my new size Large Orbea Oiz to carry double bottles.

    I went with Arundel Other bottle cages as I use the Specialized Purist bottles as in your bottom picture (yellow Deathride bottle in the photos above). To get the bottle to fit on the seat tube without touching the rear shock if you file down the Arundel water bottle cage mount holes slightly the cage can be dropped down another mm or two so the mouthpiece of the bottle clears the shock fully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HyperSprite View Post
    Water bottles on the seat tube of a Large frame
    Shown shortest to tallest, the last bottle for each is touching the shock so it's a no-go.

    Specialized Carbon Z cage lowest mounting position.
    Note that the Specialized Ribcage mounts at the same level.

    Attachment 1262989
    Attachment 1262991
    Attachment 1262987

    Arundel Other Sideloader Carbon Bottle Cage lowest mounting position.

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    Attachment 1262997
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    I'd try a Problem Solvers Bottle Cage Height Adjuster. It let me run two full-sized Fidlocks.

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    Here's a picture of my 2020 Size Large Orbea Oiz with the Arundel Other sideloader cages and a pair of Specialized 26oz (738ml) water bottles in the frame.

    This is with the modified bottle cage so that the water bottle on the seat tube doesn't hit the shock.

    I've also attached an indoor picture of the top tube of my bike. This is the stock colour scheme of gloss metallic graphite and matt black paint. The Oiz logo is picked out in metallic gold. You can't mix and match gloss and matt in the MYO colour configurator.

    I think this might be the same as tuckerjt07's Orbea Oiz? The frame has had a layer of IGL ceramic protective coating applied also which emphasises the shine a bit.

    https://iglcoatings.uk/ecocoat-bike/

    I was a bit unsure what it would look like as it was a case of buying it unseen. The website picture makes metallic graphite seem like "Audi grey", a metallic greyish silver, but the metallic graphite on my bike is a much darker, almost brown grey. When you see it outside in natural daylight it's extremely dark. At first glance from a distance the whole bike looks murdered out, close to all black, and all you see are the gold kashima fork stanchions until you look closer.

    The matt black parts are raised so you have two different levels of paint and a nice textured feel. Although it's called matt black it looks a lot more like satin black.

    It will be interesting to see how well the paint lasts. The 2019 demo bike I had to try (the matt blue and red colour scheme) had some really bad paint chips in its finish with white primer showing through.


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