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    Specialized is a big bully now

    Sorry if this was posted earlier.

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    I mean what's up with those guys? I actually like Specialized bikes
    but with this memo from Mike "Snob-yard" it really is a turn off now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatcat View Post
    Hard to be at Inter-Bike if I were one of their corporate clowns, all other bike manufacturers would hate you.
    Do you actually think that sentiment is something new? I think that has been going on long before this memo came out.
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    I wonder if something like that could lead to Gov intervention.
    That smacks of Robber Baron tactics, like the Railroads in the 1800's.
    I usually defend Specialized's right to protect their patents, but this...
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    now? as in they wernt before?

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    par for the course. Trek does the same crap, and the article mentions that Specialized isn't the only mfr to do it. It's just that bagging on Specialized is too popular.

    It looks to me like they DO NOT believe in the IBD (along with Trek, who continues to open concept stores). They want retailers to sell only their stuff, to become their exclusive dealers. If they want to have exclusive dealers, that's fine. But don't push the IBD to change by changing the terms in your agreements.

    Why my next bike(s) will not come from any mfr who engages in such tactics.

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    I love Specialized, have or have owned six of their bikes and loved every one of them.

    Who cares about their legal business practices? It's not like they can monopolize the industry. There are thousands of companies, retailers, and bike manufactuerers out there that will sell you anything you want at a reasonable price.

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    I won't stop buying/riding Specialized. If they want dealers to drop other brands, I could care less because I'm going to the Specialized dealer to look at/buy Specialized anyways. If my local Specialized dealer stopped carrying Giant or whatever brand not allowed by Spec., no hair off my arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    I won't stop buying/riding Specialized. If they want dealers to drop other brands, I could care less because I'm going to the Specialized dealer to look at/buy Specialized anyways. If my local Specialized dealer stopped carrying Giant or whatever brand not allowed by Spec., no hair off my arse.
    hahahahaha I think I have laughed myself totally retarded for a while.
    You like specialized right?

    Personally I couldn't care less about the big, hmm 3 no, the big 10. Because all they offer is mass produced taiwan **** anyway. Is it merida or is it giant? Or maybe martec, or topkey? Its all the same ****. And its all ****.

    WHO wants this? would it be better if there were only one bike brand instead? Like "the bike brand", the "volksrad" and they had 29er man, 29er woman, 26er man, 26er woman and 26er fs man and 26er fs woman models?? You can have whatever color you want as long as its deathstar black. Seems familiar?

    Welcome to communist russia! I can't believe I'm reading this **** on this site. You should be ashamed people!!

    I hope the retailers just drop spesh, terk and giant, because then the customers could maybe get hold of quality stuff instead, brands that are not driven by how the stock value fluctuates every quarter, brands that has a vision of building the best **** there is. Not brands that into the money making business and have chosen bikes as their weapon. Big difference. I see more and more of the "small innovative guys", and I like it, I ****ing love it, its so much good stuff out there now, and none of it comes from the big 3 or even the big 10.

    I have a hard time seeing Giant being the competitor, I see the competitor as internet and boutique brands, which are gaining momentum every day. I have been looking a cx frame/bike now for a week or so and not one single time had any of the big 10 or so had anything whatsoever to offer that interests me. Wow crap run off the mill alu frames and carbon that I can buy just as well and 10 times as cheap on the bay directly from the factory? But hey I don't get the deathstar black color scheme then right? I must be missing out on so much...

    Let the garbagemen take out the garbage! Thats my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    hahahahaha I think I have laughed myself totally retarded for a while.
    You like specialized right?

    Personally I couldn't care less about the big, hmm 3 no, the big 10. Because all they offer is mass produced taiwan **** anyway. Is it merida or is it giant? Or maybe martec, or topkey? Its all the same ****. And its all ****.

    WHO wants this? would it be better if there were only one bike brand instead? Like "the bike brand", the "volksrad" and they had 29er man, 29er woman, 26er man, 26er woman and 26er fs man and 26er fs woman models?? You can have whatever color you want as long as its deathstar black. Seems familiar?

    Welcome to communist russia! I can't believe I'm reading this **** on this site. You should be ashamed people!!

    I hope the retailers just drop spesh, terk and giant, because then the customers could maybe get hold of quality stuff instead, brands that are not driven by how the stock value fluctuates every quarter, brands that has a vision of building the best **** there is. Not brands that into the money making business and have chosen bikes as their weapon. Big difference. I see more and more of the "small innovative guys", and I like it, I ****ing love it, its so much good stuff out there now, and none of it comes from the big 3 or even the big 10.

    I have a hard time seeing Giant being the competitor, I see the competitor as internet and boutique brands, which are gaining momentum every day. I have been looking a cx frame/bike now for a week or so and not one single time had any of the big 10 or so had anything whatsoever to offer that interests me. Wow crap run off the mill alu frames and carbon that I can buy just as well and 10 times as cheap on the bay directly from the factory? But hey I don't get the deathstar black color scheme then right? I must be missing out on so much...

    Let the garbagemen take out the garbage! Thats my opinion.

    You can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day its still just a pig, with lipstick. Move along people. And steer clear.

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    Specialized is telling bike shops that they won't be Specialized dealers if they don't drop Giant. That is unfair and actually illegal. It is against the anti-trust laws in the USA. Specialized will get in huge trouble over this.

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    Begs a serious question.
    What will Specialized do if Giant takes a look at this and decides to add some 'friendly competition,' by ceasing to manufacture Spesh frames? Six month delays on everything?

    I doubt Giant would be so petty, but it would make me laugh regardless.

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    Apparently the Big S forgot what the I in IBD stands for when they said " We believe in the IBD ".

    Giantrekalized can keep their garish, 44 logos per frame, overseas made, double droop down tube, carbon cause it's the coolest, 80 million pivots cause 70 million wasn't enough to make it ride ride bikes.

    There's plenty of brands out there who are happy and proud to be in your local IBD as part of an eclectic mix of products hand picked by the staff to be the best mix of characteristics for your local riding. How about we start supporting them and drop this blind rush to whoever is biggest, must be best.....
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    I dont think Ive ever seen a LBS that carried both Specialized and Giant. We have one local dealer that carries Giant and Trek, thats about it. All the Specialized dealers only carry Specialized.
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    I am surprised this was not already the case. I do not see what is so shocking here?

    This is like a new car dealer selling both Honda and Toyota under the same roof. What is most shocking to me is that the "Big 3" (Specialized Giant Trek) don't already require their dealers to not sell the others.

    Yea specialized can be bullish, but they make good products that i will continue to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    I am surprised this was not already the case. I do not see what is so shocking here?

    This is like a new car dealer selling both Honda and Toyota under the same roof. What is most shocking to me is that the "Big 3" (Specialized Giant Trek) don't already require their dealers to not sell the others.

    Yea specialized can be bullish, but they make good products that i will continue to buy.


    Every bike shop sells new bikes, and all of them there are multiple choices of brands of bikes to buy. This is similar to sporting goods store. New car dealers only sell their own brand. Buying a new bike is nothing like buying a new car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    Every bike shop sells new bikes, and all of them there are multiple choices of brands of bikes to buy. This is similar to sporting goods store. New car dealers only sell their own brand. Buying a new bike is nothing like buying a new car.
    When was the last time you went to a shop?
    Yes its nothing like buying a new car because its a bike. At the same time its exactly like buying a new car because you can haggle for price, it comes with a warranty, you can take it to the shop or do maintenance yourself, some places even do loans.

    Also, when was the last time you bought a car? What about all the Ford, Lincoln, Kia, Fiat etc... combo dealers that are selling multiple brands. Right down the street from me there is a Toyota-Volvo-Scion, and a Dodge-Christler-Jeep, and a Chevy-Subaru. The analogy is two brands of directly competing markets with very similar product lines selling under the same roof. Ford and Chevy, Toyota and Honda, BMW and Audi, It for the most part is unheard of, just like in the bike industry.

    Also, the article states: "its heavy handedness with retailers over the years, pushing them to stop selling other top-tier brands like Scott, Cannondale and Trek." Nothing about pushing out ALL brands except for specialized. So small boutique companies are not the victim here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    When was the last time you went to a shop?
    Yes its nothing like buying a new car because its a bike. At the same time its exactly like buying a new car because you can haggle for price, it comes with a warranty, you can take it to the shop or do maintenance yourself, some places even do loans.

    Also, when was the last time you bought a car? What about all the Ford, Lincoln, Kia, Fiat etc... combo dealers that are selling multiple brands. Right down the street from me there is a Toyota-Volvo-Scion, and a Dodge-Christler-Jeep, and a Chevy-Subaru. The analogy is two brands of directly competing markets with very similar product lines selling under the same roof. Ford and Chevy, Toyota and Honda, BMW and Audi, It for the most part is unheard of, just like in the bike industry.

    Also, the article states: "its heavy handedness with retailers over the years, pushing them to stop selling other top-tier brands like Scott, Cannondale and Trek." Nothing about pushing out ALL brands except for specialized. So small boutique companies are not the victim here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Please refrain from confusing the issue with factual content. TIA.
    Whoops sorry.

    Edited response: NO YOUR WRONG, Specialized sucks because S stands for Satan. And the color red means HELLLLLLLLLLLLL!

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    Well might as well chip in, i don't know how things are in the US but there are a lot of dealers in this side of the pond that sell multiple brands of cars, even from competing groups ( i bought mine on one of those ).

    The problem here is not wether there are shops or dealers who only carry or are specialized - no pun intended - in one brand, there are also a lot of those around here, but the fact that they're "forcing" a shop to not carry other brands.

    If shop A decides to only carry brand B = OK
    If shop C wants to carry multiple brands = OK
    If shop D wants to carry multiple brands and brand A tells them "NO OR ELSE" = NOT OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    When was the last time you went to a shop?
    Yes its nothing like buying a new car because its a bike. At the same time its exactly like buying a new car because you can haggle for price, it comes with a warranty, you can take it to the shop or do maintenance yourself, some places even do loans.

    Also, when was the last time you bought a car? What about all the Ford, Lincoln, Kia, Fiat etc... combo dealers that are selling multiple brands. Right down the street from me there is a Toyota-Volvo-Scion, and a Dodge-Christler-Jeep, and a Chevy-Subaru. The analogy is two brands of directly competing markets with very similar product lines selling under the same roof. Ford and Chevy, Toyota and Honda, BMW and Audi, It for the most part is unheard of, just like in the bike industry.

    Also, the article states: "its heavy handedness with retailers over the years, pushing them to stop selling other top-tier brands like Scott, Cannondale and Trek." Nothing about pushing out ALL brands except for specialized. So small boutique companies are not the victim here.


    Small LBS are the victims here. Buying a new bike is nothing like buying a new car. Over 95% of car dealers only carry their own brand. Bike shops generally carry many more brands than your average car dealer.

    Its the small bike shops that are being screwed by these heavy handed tactics.

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    Car companies do the same thing. My uncle owed a Mazda, VW, and Hyundai dealer. Mazda came in and told him he either had drop the other two or lose the Mazda franchise.

    Is Mazda a bully?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Car companies do the same thing. My uncle owed a Mazda, VW, and Hyundai dealer. Mazda came in and told him he either had drop the other two or lose the Mazda franchise.

    Is Mazda a bully?
    Depending on where you live, yes. A bully and someone with a potential anti-competition lawsuit on their hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Depending on where you live, yes. A bully and someone with a potential anti-competition lawsuit on their hands

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    Exactly! What Specialized is doing is not just unethical. It is also illegal. There are laws in the US that prohibits this sort of activity. For Specialized to threaten these small bike shops that they will no longer be Specialized dealers unless they drop Giant, is just plain illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    Exactly! What Specialized is doing is not just unethical. It is also illegal. There are laws in the US that prohibits this sort of activity. For Specialized to threaten these small bike shops that they will no longer be Specialized dealers unless they drop Giant, is just plain illegal.
    For some reason i have doubts about this. I agree it is a bully tactic, but seriously, I can not think of one shop in the 4 states that i have lived in and probably 50+ shops i have visited that carried any two of Specialized Giant or Trek. They all had smaller brands mixed in (Yeti, Santa Cruz, Pivot, Titus, etc...) But i really wonder how many shops this affects. Maybe its different on the east coast.

    I am also 99% sure that the shop / store front has to produce sale figures to these bike companies to get on a priority list for who gets what with every new year model. Any brand will want to give shops that sell more first priority, also more flexibility on sales and deals. If you have two major brands with a lot of overlap in bike models, it does not help your business. More inventory, more overhead, etc..
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    Lastly i highly doubt a "small LBS" caries two of the big guys. A small shop would have to do a crap ton of business to carry two big brands.

    Once again, this article is stating that its only applying to the shops carrying specialized in conjunction with one of the other big brands, not all brands. Bully: Yes, Illegal: I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    Once again, this article is stating that its only applying to the shops carrying specialized in conjunction with one of the other big brands, not all brands. Bully: Yes, Illegal: I doubt it.
    Again, i don't know how things in the US work but i'm pretty sure that around here it doesn't matter if you're blocking just one or more brands, forcing a shop to give any type of advantage over another brand deliberatly is considered illegal.

    A few years ago i worked on a IT shop and there was a big lawsuit against Intel because they were giving huge discounts to shops/companies who would choose their processors over their competitors, that was considered illegal and they had to pay a substantial fine for it. And i can remember a dozen other similar cases like this.

    The only reason why this is "permited" is because none of the other big companies are making a big fuss over it and the sales volume are not big to warrant a fight in the courts over it, not because it's not illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    Again, i don't know how things in the US work but i'm pretty sure that around here it doesn't matter if you're blocking just one or more brands, forcing a shop to give any type of advantage over another brand deliberatly is considered illegal.

    A few years ago i worked on a IT shop and there was a big lawsuit against Intel because they were giving huge discounts to shops/companies who would choose their processors over their competitors, that was considered illegal and they had to pay a substantial fine for it. And i can remember a dozen other similar cases like this.

    The only reason why this is "permited" is because none of the other big companies are making a big fuss over it and the sales volume are not big to warrant a fight in the courts over it, not because it's not illegal.


    Agree. What Specialized is doing is 100% illegal. They cannot dictate to bike shops that they will drop them from being a dealer if the shop doesn't stop carrying Giant. 100% illegal and goes against multiple anti-trust laws in the US.

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    Seriously, you people have no clue WTF you are talking about. Exclusive dealing contracts are not per se illegal. Do you think that international companies don't run decisions like these past corporate legal? Do you even know which anti-trust laws you are talking about?

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    You didn't read what i wrote did you ?

    And btw, that only applies if BOTH parties agree to it not when the agreement is shoved down your throat .... which is what is being discussed here. We all know there are a lot of stores that are brand exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    Agree. What Specialized is doing is 100% illegal. They cannot dictate to bike shops that they will drop them from being a dealer if the shop doesn't stop carrying Giant. 100% illegal and goes against multiple anti-trust laws in the US.
    Really? I'd be interested in some citations to the multiple sections of Federal code that are being violated here.

    And you don't think Specialized has lawyers that have reviewed their proposed actions and advised them on the legality of them? Nah, they probably just acted out of spite and insecurity -- Damn the Torpedos! -- only to have some guy on the internet identify the obvious illegality of their conduct! Oops, cat's out of the bag now ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    You didn't read what i wrote did you ?

    And btw, that only applies if BOTH parties agree to it not when the agreement is shoved down your throat .... which is what is being discussed here. We all know there are a lot of stores that are brand exclusive.
    Yes i did, you wrote you did not know how things work in the US--clearly so. Also, no one is forcing anything on anyone. It is simply a condition of sale. If you want to purchase our bikes to resell, you cannot sell products from our competitors. If the dealership accepts, then by definition it has agreed to the condition.

    Before people go around defaming companies and accusing them of illegal practices, they really should take the time to figure out what they are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tystevens View Post
    really? I'd be interested in some citations to the multiple sections of federal code that are being violated here.

    And you don't think specialized has lawyers that have reviewed their proposed actions and advised them on the legality of them? Nah, they probably just acted out of spite and insecurity -- damn the torpedos! -- only to have some guy on the internet identify the obvious illegality of their conduct! Oops, cat's out of the bag now ...
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    Here is an easy example. When you go to the movies or go out to eat, the restaurant or venue carries either Coke or Pepsi products. You think that is a coincidence? Both companies refuse to sell to vendors if the vendor sells any brand of soda made by the other company. Ever notice how some bars have Miller on tap but not Budwieser or vice versa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skankingbiker View Post
    Yes i did, you wrote you did not know how things work in the US--clearly so. Also, no one is forcing anything on anyone. It is simply a condition of sale. If you want to purchase our bikes to resell, you cannot sell products from our competitors. If the dealership accepts, then by definition it has agreed to the condition.
    Well thank you for taking the time to be so civil about it, your incredible character shines through *slow clapping*

    Anyway and after reading everything specially this,

    Specialized has sent amended dealer agreements to select retailers asking they stop selling certain competing brands.
    On the other hand, a manufacturer with market power may potentially use these types of vertical arrangements to prevent smaller competitors from succeeding in the marketplace. For instance, exclusive contracts may be used to deny a competitor access to retailers without which the competitor cannot make sufficient sales to be viable.
    So as long they stick to big grands they're not doing anything wrong under US law. Good to know.

    And you don't think Specialized has lawyers that have reviewed their proposed actions and advised them on the legality of them?
    Because lawyers doing bad jobs are unheard of ? You might want to talk to the laywers of much bigger companies like Microsoft, Apple, Motorola, Google, the list goes on ...
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    Nothing new really. This has been going on in the Ski and Snowboard industry for years.

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    nearby bike shop was told by Spesh to stop selling Scott bikes because apparently there is a big rivalry between the two.
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    Sounds like they can't hack head to head comparison and competition.

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    danielsilva is completely correct. Only if two parties agree to enter into an exclusive sales agreement is it then legal.

    In no way can a corporation, like Specialized, dictate to any of it's dealers that they will lose their dealership rights if they do not drop a competitor from its store. That IS illegal and directly against many anti-trust laws that protect competition and the rights of smaller businesses.

    There is one group that is getting screwed by Specialized tactics and that is the small local bike shops.

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    My local Specialized dealer has Trek as well. Another one that's a little further away carries Specialized, Cannondale, and Fuji.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    For some reason i have doubts about this. I agree it is a bully tactic, but seriously, I can not think of one shop in the 4 states that i have lived in and probably 50+ shops i have visited that carried any two of Specialized Giant or Trek.
    A local shop here carried Specialized and Trek, last time I checked. Seems like they made changes in the past to satisfy Fecalized, seems like they had to get a bigger store or maybe it was to drop Cannondale, or maybe I'm totally wrong. I know they were a Trek dealer long before they picked up Specialized though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bee View Post
    danielsilva is completely correct. Only if two parties agree to enter into an exclusive sales agreement is it then legal.

    In no way can a corporation, like Specialized, dictate to any of it's dealers that they will lose their dealership rights if they do not drop a competitor from its store. That IS illegal and directly against many anti-trust laws that protect competition and the rights of smaller businesses.

    There is one group that is getting screwed by Specialized tactics and that is the small local bike shops.


    You're missing the point man. If I am the CEO of Brand X, and I dont want my product sold in stores next to Brand Y, I can make this happen. All I have to do is tell the retailers, if you want to carry Brand X, you wont carry Brand Y. The retailer then has an option, either not carry Brand Y, or not carry my product. Im not forcing them to stop selling the other brand, im just forcing them to make a choice.



    Personally if I was a LBS that sold Specialized and i.e: Giant. If I was presented with that agreement, I'd drop Specialized and sell Giant.
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    If I was presented with this agreement, I would simply see which brand sold more, and who else in the area carries what brand. Keep the one that is better for my shop.... Simple.

    Bee, I tried to use logic and i guess you don't get it. Like i have said so many times again, what they are doing is dickish, but not illegal and not un-heard of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by citiznkain View Post
    Nothing new really. This has been going on in the Ski and Snowboard industry for years.
    And just about every other retail industry where big brand names are included.

    That doggone "freedom of contract" principle ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Car companies do the same thing. My uncle owed a Mazda, VW, and Hyundai dealer. Mazda came in and told him he either had drop the other two or lose the Mazda franchise.

    Is Mazda a bully?
    No they're just terrified of competing on a level playing field in a free market just like Specialized is.

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    Didn't speshy play a part in running Stratos out of business?

    I already have no respect for specialized, so this isn't suprising to me. It's okay though, I think most of their bikes ride like burnt poo anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerdonian View Post
    If I was presented with this agreement, I would simply see which brand sold more, and who else in the area carries what brand. Keep the one that is better for my shop.... Simple.

    Bee, I tried to use logic and i guess you don't get it. Like i have said so many times again, what they are doing is dickish, but not illegal and not un-heard of.


    Nope. Get is straight. You are wrong. danielsilva is 100% correct and You refuse to see that your logic fails against what is legal and what is illegal. Bottom line: Specialized cannot dictate to a dealer to drop Giant or they will lose their dealership rights. It is illegal. Serious violations of anti-trust laws.

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    Who cares, really. If it's illegal, then let Specialized and the dealers involved deal with it. If not, then whatever. It's business. If I had a product and I had the ability to remove a competitor's product from my market area, I'd do it. It's all about the bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Who cares, really. If it's illegal, then let Specialized and the dealers involved deal with it. If not, then whatever. It's business. If I had a product and I had the ability to remove a competitor's product from my market area, I'd do it. It's all about the bottom line.
    I agree with this ^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by citiznkain View Post
    Nothing new really. This has been going on in the Ski and Snowboard industry for years.
    Oh OK, all is well then.

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    Horrible. Just horrible what Specialized is doing to small LBS owners.
    Last edited by bee; 08-09-2012 at 07:21 PM.

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    I got neg repped for my comment on here...but it was funny, actually made me laugh, so I thought I'd share....

    "If I was able to run you over with a large truck and get away with it I'd do it. Nothing personal. I just like driving large trucks over people. Just business."

    Pretty good. Poster is still a *****bag POS coward, but at least made me laugh.

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    One of the bad things about this exclusivity clause is that my LBS told me that Specialized
    will soon want them to also yank out competing tires & accessories. Like bye bye Maxxis tires,
    Schwalbe, Kenda, etc.

    example:
    Me: Hello, I'm looking for a Kenda Small Block 8, 2.1x 29
    LBS: Here is a Ground Control
    Me: OK yeah, but really like the Small Block
    LBS: The Ground Control is a good tire
    Me: uh yeah I guess. You have anything that looks like a Small Block?
    LBS: Yes, the Renegade
    Me: OK let's ee it
    LBS: We have to order it
    Me: Alrighty, thanks for your help
    LBS: Y'know the Ground Control is only $59.99, we have them in stock
    Me: Later

    People who already bought Treks from them are not happy campers (well not campers but riders) due to warrantee concerns, which they will address. Pretty sad, the LBS is turning into an Apple Store from being a Best Buy. Cheers Specialized & good luck with your tactics.
    Last edited by fatcat; 08-13-2012 at 02:42 AM.

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