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    Social unrest and crime in these times

    I've been noticing a sharp uptick in posts on the Ring and Nextdoor apps lately, mostly people at night checking car doors, house front doors, and backyard snooping to see if any doors/windows are unlocked. Scumbags looking for low hanging fruit so far. Hopefully it doesn't get any worse.

    I have a Ring camera in my driveway and some Arlo cams around different spots, and catch youngsters walking around in groups at 2 or 3 in the morning, up to no good.

    The unemployment office here is so overwhelmed right now they can't keep up, and I'm afraid that those folks who haven't prepared for anything in there lives will become desperate soon!

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    some weird crazed desert dweller.

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    I always take those vids with a grain of salt. A lot, Iím sure, are staged for adverting the product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I always take those vids with a grain of salt. A lot, Iím sure, are staged for adverting the product.
    I've seen plenty of Ring vids in my own neighborhood, some from people I know. 100% real. If it's a Ring "commercial" then ya you're probably right
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    I take them with sort of a grain of salt since 1) the nextdoor app is toxic AF, a lot people with nothing to do afraid of their own shadow and 2)folks that were barely scraping by before all this are not making it now, but I won't get concerned until it's violent crime (e.g. home invasion, robbery with a weapon, etc).

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    Locking my gate when I leave, not feeding the dog so she'll be hungry. Got plenty of ammo handy.

    Dumps are closed, so we'll be seeing a lot of trash dumped where it shouldn't be.

    As the meme says, while everything is shut down, pave the fukcing roads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matadorCE View Post
    the nextdoor app is toxic AF, a lot people with nothing to do afraid of their own shadow
    The post of "gunshots"!!!! Or What's happening over there! Drive me nuts, but easy to ignore, sometimes there's good info.

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    As the meme says, while everything is shut down, pave the fukcing roads!
    Now there's an idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post

    As the meme says, while everything is shut down, pave the fukcing roads!
    Huntsville is all over this. There are a dozen new road improvement projects that started last week.

    Perfect time to knock them out.
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    Property crime, break ins, and the homeless population were already crazy in Portland. Remains to be seen how bad this may get. Grocery store stock seems to be coming back on board which I think is critical if this crisis is to be manageable.

    One thing I've been paying attention to is how ever more doctors and nurses are increasingly expressing fear, anger, and burn out at how this is being handled. If our medical system collapses I think it wouldn't take long for other shoes (law enforcement, shipping, etc. etc) to follow. I've also read multiple times now of PPE destined for a specific county or hospital being commandeered by the government yet it seems every single hospital on the planet is criticality low on PPE. The two don't seem to align.

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    Crime is actually down, here in the big city.

    The gangstas don't wanna get da 'rona.

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    With all the back road traffic down, perp body dumping is easier.
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    There will be more crime in the commercial and industrial areas, but people are not working and bored so obviously crime will go up in residential areas too. The smart thieves will hit the com/ind areas while the lazy thugs will hit the residentials.

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    It seems less likely for a scumbag thief to find an empty house to break into.

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    But once they do find an empty house, then its wide open.

    In the winter, I noticed houses with fresh, untracked snow for days after a snowfall.
    Garage was at the front of the house, no vehicle tracks, no footsteps. Noticed a half dozen, but I do ride everyday.
    No snow now, but weeks ago there was.

    Isn't it in Vegas where the bums are taking over empty homes and squatting. They'd just roam around at dark and see what lights are on, and go from there. Or notice the garbage bins in the alley never move.

    I've been hearing from Joe Rogan and Dr. Drew Pinsky that the homelessness is California is getting out of hand. They are allowed to steal from stores without threat of arrest. Tents on sidewalks. Pooping and being into sewers, going down LA river and into ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    But once they do find an empty house, then its wide open.

    In the winter, I noticed houses with fresh, untracked snow for days after a snowfall.
    Garage was at the front of the house, no vehicle tracks, no footsteps. Noticed a half dozen, but I do ride everyday.
    No snow now, but weeks ago there was.

    Isn't it in Vegas where the bums are taking over empty homes and squatting. They'd just roam around at dark and see what lights are on, and go from there. Or notice the garbage bins in the alley never move.
    I see that all the time in my area. Mountain homes that are easily recognized as summer vacation homes once snow falls and thereís never any fresh tracks in the driveway. Easy picking for criminals.
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    Thereís a job opening right there. Kinda like dog walkers getting paid to walk rich folks dogs. Get paid to pull in rich folks vacation homes driveways during the winter just to leave tracks. $25 per house with a 2 day per week minimum.
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    The only social unrest I hear about is the general public getting tired of the over reach and erosion of rights. It started with a lone paddleboarder and LE sending a boat after him. Today we were told we have to wear masks while out, even while driving.

    The pendulum will swing the other way and it will be ugly.
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    Simply modify the driveway installation.
    Roll a tire in the concrete before it hardens completely over two strips of embedded heat trace.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Simply modify the driveway installation.
    Roll a tire in the concrete before it hardens completely over two strips of embedded heat trace.....
    What are you smoking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Simply modify the driveway installation.
    Roll a tire in the concrete before it hardens completely over two strips of embedded heat trace.....
    Youíre already trying to put me out of a job.
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    And here I was going to invent it.

    Something I always thought would be an easy thing to do while building is have a heated driveway just to keep the snow off. This tire track thing is on a whole nother level. Making it look like tires went over it to prevent being robbed, genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    Thereís a job opening right there. Kinda like dog walkers getting paid to walk rich folks dogs. Get paid to pull in rich folks vacation homes driveways during the winter just to leave tracks. $25 per house with a 2 day per week minimum.
    Awesome idea Sir Kayakalot! And charge an extra $10 to get out and leave footprints leading up to the porch.
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    Youíll never believe I posted the suggestion before I found those pictures.
    Simply looked that up in response to your post LMAO.
    But I have used it under the tile in my bathrooms, and intend to install it under exposed walks in Missouri.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    Awesome idea Sir Kayakalot! And charge an extra $10 to get out and leave footprints leading up to the porch.
    Knock the glass out of the front door so it looks like itís already been picked clean, for free as an incentive to new customers.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The only social unrest I hear about is the general public getting tired of the over reach and erosion of rights. It started with a lone paddleboarder and LE sending a boat after him. Today we were told we have to wear masks while out, even while driving.

    The pendulum will swing the other way and it will be ugly.
    I'd agree that this is another huge piece of the pie. The police state beckons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I'd agree that this is another huge piece of the pie. The police state beckons.

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    Where I live in the mountains, It's a mix of gun nuts whose right's won't be trampled, those who live up here to be left alone (me) and Nervous Nancies calling LE for a father and son playing catch in the park. For the most part everyone's behaving, for now. Nextdoor isn't used up here but I joined some local FB groups and everyon's pretty much had it. The common theme is heavily armed dads out of work watching their savings dwindle while a boot is stepping harder on their neck. I live alone and the kids are out of the house, but my neighbors and I are stepping up the neighborhood watch. Meanwhile, I'm keeping busy playing with my bikes and watching a cool netflix series. The Last Kingdom, based off Bernard Corwall novels. Three seasons so far which has been good for a week so far.
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    My coworker was just telling me about his dad complaining about being furloughed. His dad also just bought his 16th and 17th gun at the start of the outbreak.

    I want to reach across space and time and throttle some people.


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    .....waiting for the gun people to go ape shit and start shooting up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    Awesome idea Sir Kayakalot! And charge an extra $10 to get out and leave footprints leading up to the porch.
    Did you just quote yourself?
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    Methinks drunks kill more people than gun nuts.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    My coworker was just telling me about his dad complaining about being furloughed. His dad also just bought his 16th and 17th gun at the start of the outbreak.

    I want to reach across space and time and throttle some people.


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    Meanwhile, a $500 9mm semo auto goes for double and those unprepared will gladly pay more than double. Nobody is selling though. I sold my neighbor ammo because we're pretty tight, but at fair pre panic prices. I gave 300 rounds to my brother free of charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    ďDrunks with gunsĒ shall be my new band name.
    Killer Band Dude.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    .....waiting for the gun people to go ape shit and start shooting up.
    Drama queen. CNN is on. It's time for your spoon feeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    .....waiting for the gun people to go ape shit and start shooting up.
    Yep, there are folks that started waiting way back when the first state issued a CCW.....
    Theyíre still waitiní......

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    ....People losing jobs, No income
    Guns and ammo easily available
    ....will happen soon. I bet California.

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    Uh California ainít known as an easy to get state.
    You must live in Canada.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    CNN is on. It's time for your spoon feeding.
    Too funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    .....waiting for the gun people to go ape shit and start shooting up.
    Gonna hole up in the mountains until the assholes run out of bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
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    Better be punk, and none of the radio crap either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Yep, there are folks that started waiting way back when the first state issued a CCW.....
    Theyíre still waitiní......

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ry_in_the_U.S.
    The politicians in CA, in certain counties have issued mandatory masks in public. If you hold a concealed carry permit, thats against the law. You cant wear a mask and carry a permit. I guess they forgot that part. Ooops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    ....People losing jobs, No income
    Guns and ammo easily available
    ....will happen soon. I bet California.
    Federal background check for both firearms and ammo in CA. Then a ten day feel good wait to pick up the firearm. And a bogus firearm safety card tax. My lib sister's fiance wants to borrow a pistol but thats against the law so, no. He can arm himself with a fork. I can loan one to my brother but only for 24 hours. Five years ago none of this was an issue, but they voted their rights away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Federal background check for both firearms and ammo in CA. Then a ten day feel good wait to pick up the firearm. And a bogus firearm safety card tax. My lib sister's fiance wants to borrow a pistol but thats against the law so, no. He can arm himself with a fork. I can loan one to my brother but only for 24 hours. Five years ago none of this was an issue, but they voted their rights away.
    And now people are leaving California and coming to Idaho. .... I hope they don't vote here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    And now people are leaving California and coming to Idaho. .... I hope they don't vote here.

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    I wonder how many people panic buying guns in California knew that there is a 10 day waiting period. Buying a firearm in CA requires more paperwork than buying a car. I was in the gun shop for an hour when I got my first...then another 30 to 40 mins in the shop picking it up. More people buy guns in CA than most realize. Heck...CA is probably the reason Glock is still making the Gen 3 pistols.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Uh California ainít known as an easy to get state.
    You must live in Canada.....
    mmmmm yeaaa ok


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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    Here's to hoping...
    Hey, now. As much as I disagree with Vader, that's a little extreme.

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    I haven't heard of any crime increase in these parts other than violations of social distancing (fines may soon be handed out).

    Everyone is now home and people are out and about walking around, so potential intruders are not aboutta be scopin' out our 'hood right now.
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    I think I've noticed fewer posts on our neighborhood FB page about people walking around checking car doors and the "was that a gunshot or fireworks" posts (though, really...like...you really can't tell?). There are two exceptions, on guy had his truck stolen, ransacked, and dumped on the Illinois side of the Mississippi, and a group of people broke into a used car lot and stole something like 16 cars and the keys to the rest of them. Those are actually quite unusual cases for the area.

    However in the grand scheme of things, St. Louis is pretty small compared to where y'all are at - San Diego, Portland, etc. But our crime is generally higher than a lot of areas, so maybe it'd be harder for us to notice an uptick anyway. Not so concerned with petty theft or property crime, anyway, really.
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    Some amazing proportions of reactions in this thread to the concept that you'll have to stay inside a little more with family because there's a virus that may kill you or your neighbors /loved ones. Anyway - I suspect crime rates will be lower for a time - ppl are home so less opportunity for street crime, robbery, etc. Tho I could envision some domestic violence stuff increase as proximity and substance abuse can be a powerful combo. It'll be interesting if economic backlash leads to some desperation eventually - tends to be interrelated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Youíll never believe I posted the suggestion before I found those pictures.
    Simply looked that up in response to your post LMAO.
    But I have used it under the tile in my bathrooms, and intend to install it under exposed walks in Missouri.....
    We do heated walks at some senior living centers in Wisconsin. Expensive to install and operate.

    Where the idea for theft deterrence falls apart is the snow plow mound that the end of the drive left by plowing the street...

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    I am on nextdoor. I use it to find stuff for sale, see whats going on. It is no different than MTBR forum. there is informative stuff on there and a few that ruin everything.

    As far as crime goes, on properties we work at there has been less burglaries than before, but the stores took everything out. The starbucks at one property took everything out, even the coffee makers. I have seen a larger amount of homeless at the malls since they have been closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    I think I've noticed fewer posts on our neighborhood FB page about people walking around checking car doors and the "was that a gunshot or fireworks" posts (though, really...like...you really can't tell?). There are two exceptions, on guy had his truck stolen, ransacked, and dumped on the Illinois side of the Mississippi, and a group of people broke into a used car lot and stole something like 16 cars and the keys to the rest of them. Those are actually quite unusual cases for the area.

    However in the grand scheme of things, St. Louis is pretty small compared to where y'all are at - San Diego, Portland, etc. But our crime is generally higher than a lot of areas, so maybe it'd be harder for us to notice an uptick anyway. Not so concerned with petty theft or property crime, anyway, really.
    Some of us are old enough that we watched "Vacation" as kids and know they steal hubcaps in SL. On the west coast they just steal the whole car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    I haven't heard of any crime increase in these parts other than violations of social distancing (fines may soon be handed out).

    Everyone is now home and people are out and about walking around, so potential intruders are not aboutta be scopin' out our 'hood right now.
    My neighbor was playing catch in the park with his son and a Karen called the cops on them. He said the cops told him they were called to an "organized baseball game" they all had a laugh but I wouldn't want to be Karen when you need a neighbor for help.
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    Some of us are old enough that we watched "Vacation" as kids and know they steal hubcaps in SL. On the west coast they just steal the whole car.
    LOL if only that were true!
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    LOL if only that were true!
    East St. Louis would blow 1/2 these people's mind....
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    mmmmm yeaaa ok


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    Yeah, just because the laws have changed drastically in the past dozen years or so doesn't mean that there wasn't already a large "inventory" already among the populace, whether legally or illegally possessed.
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    Someone knocked over our trash cans last night.
    Hooligans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    East St. Louis would blow 1/2 these people's mind....
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    Quote Originally Posted by EugeneTheJeep View Post
    I've been noticing a sharp uptick in posts on the Ring and Nextdoor apps lately, mostly people at night checking car doors, house front doors, and backyard snooping to see if any doors/windows are unlocked. Scumbags looking for low hanging fruit so far. Hopefully it doesn't get any worse.

    I have a Ring camera in my driveway and some Arlo cams around different spots, and catch youngsters walking around in groups at 2 or 3 in the morning, up to no good.

    The unemployment office here is so overwhelmed right now they can't keep up, and I'm afraid that those folks who haven't prepared for anything in there lives will become desperate soon!

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    Well this one in the news today seems to be real:

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    Pun intended?
    Unfortunately, he's not kidding.

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    FYI--"Metro East" is the PC name for the communities which make up "East St. Louis". Shootings, car jacking, and (homicidal) road rage sadly have been too common in the StL area for the last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Someone knocked over our trash cans last night.
    Call the cops on the NON EMERGENCY line and report it. Neighborhood's going to pot!! Was that a firework or a gun?
    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Mega View Post
    East St. Louis would blow 1/2 these people's mind....
    Yes growing up a few blocks from there, it's where I learned how to tell if people were scoping out your house, to leave a big space between the car in front of you when pulling up to a stop sign, and the difference between a 9 mm and a friggin bottle rocket, among other valuable life skills.

    It's funny now, seeing people claim that loss of economic opportunity will almost assuredly lead to desperation and higher rates of crime, when so many have denied this about E. STL for so long. I've always seen it, but won't get into a discussion that some would seem political on here. (though you have to admit it is pretty screwed up that some folks now dispersed into other suburbs take pride at having closed businesses or burned houses down after black folks moved in...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bingemtbr View Post
    FYI--"Metro East" is the PC name for the communities which make up "East St. Louis". Shootings, car jacking, and (homicidal) road rage sadly have been too common in the StL area for the last few years.
    I mean there metro east encompasses all those cushy suburbs, too, like Belleville (ok, the east half of it), Collinsville, Edwardsville, up to Alton, and as far O'Fallon which is some 20 miles out from the city. I don't think most people would consider those places too hood. Fairmont City, Granite City, Wood River, Cahokia, also pretty hood, tho.
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    Where I live crime had been ramping up for a while. We had a crew here that would go into the senior housing development and cut out catalytic converters to sell. A lot breaking into cars too. The sort of "upscale post rural" neighborhoods here are a ripe field for the junkies coming out from Springfield MA, the poorest city in the state, and just a short 15 minute drive.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Federal background check for both firearms and ammo in CA. Then a ten day feel good wait to pick up the firearm. And a bogus firearm safety card tax...
    Depends on who you know... Guns are available for cash. Immediately, no questions asked.

    Of course, ammunition is available in Arizona, Oregon, and Nevada over the counter. LA to a Fort Mohave AZ gun shop and back in one day with all the ammo you can carry. Or Sac/SF to Reno. Redding to Medford. Local cops in the border counties don't care. Where do you think they buy their ammo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Of course, ammunition is available in Arizona, Oregon, and Nevada over the counter. LA to a Fort Mohave AZ gun shop and back in one day with all the ammo you can carry. Or Sac/SF to Reno. Redding to Medford. Local cops in the border counties don't care. Where do you think they buy their ammo?
    Still gotta be discrete. Walking out of that gun shop and loading up a car having CA plates might still draw unwanted attention. And you hope not to get pulled aside at an AG inspection stop.

    Not that I know any of this from experience.
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    There is zero shotgun or handgun ammo available in Oregon. The best estimates I've been told is roughly 3 months. There were literally lines around the block to buy. There was something like a 3-5k waiting list on background checks to buy a gun which was roughly 5-7 days but understand that went back to near normal....I guess there is no point in buying a gun if you can't buy ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    Depends on who you know... Guns are available for cash. Immediately, no questions asked.

    Of course, ammunition is available in Arizona, Oregon, and Nevada over the counter. LA to a Fort Mohave AZ gun shop and back in one day with all the ammo you can carry. Or Sac/SF to Reno. Redding to Medford. Local cops in the border counties don't care. Where do you think they buy their ammo?
    I live in CA and also own a home in AZ. Guess where my drivers licence and cars are plated? Not in the nanny state, Although the parasites are moving east. I can ride here in the mountains, but the trails outside my door in AZ are closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Still gotta be discrete. Walking out of that gun shop and loading up a car having CA plates might still draw unwanted attention. And you hope not to get pulled aside at an AG inspection stop.

    Not that I know any of this from experience.
    I haven't been stopped on the 10 checkpoint in years, they just wave me through. I've even tried to mess with them eating an apple while driving through and they didn't stop me. The last time I was pulled aside was over ten years ago because my girlfriend had some sage drying on the dashboard. They made her throw it in the trash, then she went and walked past the checkpoint lady, picked some more, put it on the dash and told the lady she was a effing dumb ass and get a real job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    I wonder how many people panic buying guns in California knew that there is a 10 day waiting period. Buying a firearm in CA requires more paperwork than buying a car. I was in the gun shop for an hour when I got my first...then another 30 to 40 mins in the shop picking it up. More people buy guns in CA than most realize. Heck...CA is probably the reason Glock is still making the Gen 3 pistols.
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    I hear gun shots all the time but that is because there is a rodeo arena over the hill that does cowboy shoot competitions. Also a fair amount of people that do target shooting near by. I does not bother me and where they shoot is not against the law, it is in a national forest.

    I am not worried about crime at my home. The town is known for crazies who are anti government gun toting survivalists. No body wants to mess with them.
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    However there was someone going around stealing gas from cars a few months ago.

    Now if I lived in my old house I would worry about being robbed. again....

    As far as guns and ammo goes, my friend is a gunsmith and I got a guy that delivers ammo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    I hear gun shots all the time but that is because there is a rodeo arena over the hill that does cowboy shoot competitions. Also a fair amount of people that do target shooting near by. I does not bother me and where they shoot is not against the law, it is in a national forest.

    I am not worried about crime at my home. The town is known for crazies who are anti government gun toting survivalists. No body wants to mess with them.
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    However there was someone going around stealing gas from cars a few months ago.

    Now if I lived in my old house I would worry about being robbed. again....

    As far as guns and ammo goes, my friend is a gunsmith and I got a guy that delivers ammo.

    Just because it's in a National Forest, doesn't mean people can shoot wherever the hell they want, or that it's not dangerous. Locally, a guy got killed by an errant bullet a couple years back, and there are dozens of close calls a year.

    If anything, I trust people shooting on public land far less than I do on a for-profit range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I live in CA and also own a home in AZ. Guess where my drivers licence and cars are plated? Not in the nanny state, Although the parasites are moving east. I can ride here in the mountains, but the trails outside my door in AZ are closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Still gotta be discrete. Walking out of that gun shop and loading up a car having CA plates might still draw unwanted attention. And you hope not to get pulled aside at an AG inspection stop.

    Not that I know any of this from experience.
    The AG stations don't care and don't ask about ammo. They lack the legal authority to do anything about ammo anyway. Ag products only. I suppose they could call CHP as soon as you leave, but I doubt they would. The Ag Inspectors themselves are local and buy their ammo out of state. Same for the resident CHP officers in the border counties.
    No one in the state pays attention to the law except DAs running for re-election and nanny-state staffers in the Attorney General office. And the FFL dealers because they have to or lose their license. Local LEOs ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Federal background check for both firearms and ammo in CA. Then a ten day feel good wait to pick up the firearm. And a bogus firearm safety card tax. My lib sister's fiance wants to borrow a pistol but thats against the law so, no. He can arm himself with a fork. I can loan one to my brother but only for 24 hours. Five years ago none of this was an issue, but they voted their rights away.
    Everything you mentioned, except for ammo background checks has been around much longer than 5 years in Ca. Thatís why us smart Californiaís stocked up on ammo about a year and half ago to avoid this ammo bs/ extra fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    There is zero shotgun or handgun ammo available in Oregon. The best estimates I've been told is roughly 3 months. There were literally lines around the block to buy. There was something like a 3-5k waiting list on background checks to buy a gun which was roughly 5-7 days but understand that went back to near normal....I guess there is no point in buying a gun if you can't buy ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave54 View Post
    The AG stations don't care and don't ask about ammo. They lack the legal authority to do anything about ammo anyway. Ag products only. I suppose they could call CHP as soon as you leave, but I doubt they would.
    That may very well be but with my luck I would be just the guy who that happened to. Or maybe not try to conceal large quantities inside of AZ-purchased produce?

    OK, maybe not, but I'm very risk-averse to things that would cost me my job.

    There is a completely legal avenue to have ammo purchased online and shipped directly to your door in CA, without an intermediary FFL dealer and the corresponding fee. It's a little pricey but would even out vs. (say) 3 trips from SoCal into NV or AZ & back, just on gas cost alone. Of course, you'd have to find places willing to ship here.

    Edit: I skipped over the obvious, but it's $1 per background check when you buy from a CA shop and it takes a minute or 2. So cost shouldn't be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Well, you can always throw the gun. That's what they do in the movies when they run out of ammo.
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    I'd imagine that the really serious crime will be those at the very top who will be taking big bites out of the $2T stimulus bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I'd imagine that the really serious crime will be those at the very top who will be taking big bites out of the $2T stimulus bill.
    Fake news, there's oversight in place. Oh waitÖ
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    The real crime is printing the money.....
    Where was there EVER any oversight of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curveball View Post
    I'd imagine that the really serious crime will be those at the very top who will be taking big bites out of the $2T stimulus bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Well, you can always throw the gun. That's what they do in the movies when they run out of ammo.
    very true. Superman gets shot with bullets but when they throw the gun he ducks. guns are dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EugeneTheJeep View Post
    I've been noticing a sharp uptick in posts on the Ring and Nextdoor apps lately
    when I feel too positive about the world, I take myself down a notch by reading Nextdoor, where neighbors tear each other to shreds from behind a keyboard. make no mistake, that forum is a place for bored, middle-aged and older people to bitch about everything.

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    I thought this was a time for Social Rest......

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    Crime is down where I live and I'd never own those cameras. We have everything that is needed to defend ourselves and even the kids can handle the "tools" really well, thanks to all our dispersed camping in the National Forrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Someone knocked over our trash cans last night.
    We have similar crime. Damn raccoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Crime is down where I live and I'd never own those cameras. We have everything that is needed to defend ourselves and even the kids can handle the "tools" really well, thanks to all our dispersed camping in the National Forrest.
    I have one of those door bells but not really for crime. It actually came in handy when my wife locked herself out and the battery had died in our exterior garage door opener. I was at work and saw her on the camera, she told me the problem and I was able to open the garage door via wifi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    when I feel too positive about the world, I take myself down a notch by reading Nextdoor, where neighbors tear each other to shreds from behind a keyboard. make no mistake, that forum is a place for bored, middle-aged and older people to bitch about everything.
    I think your grass is too tall. Plus I'm not old or middle aged but definitely bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    We have similar crime. Damn raccoons.
    It wasn't raccoons, they had to have been hit by a car or pushed over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    very true. Superman gets shot with bullets but when they throw the gun he ducks. guns are dangerous.
    LMAO, I forgot about that.
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    Would never own a Ring. Would never own a gun. I do use Nextdoor to find useful people. If it came to it, I'd probably be able to find a useful person with a gun to look after things
    Mostly to protect myself from people who might consider themselves law abiding...
    Lots of people seem to want the Apocalypse, if only just to put all these things to some kind of use! I do have my metal spiky helmet and gerbil fur lined leather straps and posing pouch in the closet too, if it came to it...
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    So you prefer Hired Guns.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Would never own a Ring. Would never own a gun. I do use Nextdoor to find useful people. If it came to it, I'd probably be able to find a useful person with a gun to look after things
    Mostly to protect myself from people who might consider themselves law abiding...
    Lots of people seem to want the Apocalypse, if only just to put all these things to some kind of use! I do have my metal spiky helmet and gerbil fur lined leather straps and posing pouch in the closet too, if it came to it...
    You can always defend yourself with a pencil like the Ca politicians suggest or throw your eraser at them. With over 300 million law abiding gun owners in the US, if we were a problem, you would here about it daily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I do have my metal spiky helmet and gerbil fur lined leather straps and posing pouch in the closet too, if it came to it...
    you have that too! Sweet!
    Dont make me go all Jonathan Winters on this gas station.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    "but I'm mad now"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    You can always defend yourself with a pencil like the Ca politicians suggest or throw your eraser at them. With over 300 million law abiding gun owners in the US, if we were a problem, you would here about it daily.
    This.

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    We do have serious raccoon crime, one got stuck in our garage and ransacked it. I did yell at it.

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    Just because it's in a National Forest, doesn't mean people can shoot wherever the hell they want, or that it's not dangerous. Locally, a guy got killed by an errant bullet a couple years back, and there are dozens of close calls a year.

    If anything, I trust people shooting on public land far less than I do on a for-profit range.
    Errant bullet killed a kid here a year or two ago. I have a feeling gun nuts love our current situation. And what about the "preppers", they must be creaming their jeans right now!

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    Errant bullet killed a kid here a year or two ago. I have a feeling gun nuts love our current situation. And what about the "preppers", they must be creaming their jeans right now!
    I am an an avid gun enthusiast. Probably enough so that someone who doesn't like guns would consider me a gun nut and say I have weapons that I don't "need".

    That being said, I am not enjoying this current situation at all. My 401k is tanked, my kid is not going to school for the rest of the year, and my wife is a trauma ICU nurse that had her floor turned into the COVID unit. Personally, I hate the whole situation and pray that it doesn't get bad enough that I ever need any of my firearms for anything more than target shooting but, at the same time, I am damn sure glad that I have them and the ability to defend myself and my family. Rocker said, "If it came to it, I'd probably be able to find a useful person with a gun to look after things". His choice and I honestly hope he never has to try and find that person but, I refuse to rely on others becuase when it really comes down to it, the only one responsible for you and yours is you.

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    Everything you mentioned, except for ammo background checks has been around much longer than 5 years in Ca. Thatís why us smart Californiaís stocked up on ammo about a year and half ago to avoid this ammo bs/ extra fees.
    I stocked up when Obama took office. A neighbor told me, "Buy it cheap and stack it deep". I have plenty and yeah the feel good ten day wait has been around for a while. It's not like in AZ where they run the exact DOJ background check and you walk out in five minutes.
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    You can always defend yourself with a pencil like the Ca politicians suggest or throw your eraser at them. With over 300 million law abiding gun owners in the US, if we were a problem, you would here about it daily.
    Huh? The total population of US is like 330 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    I am an an avid gun enthusiast. Probably enough so that someone who doesn't like guns would consider me a gun nut and say I have weapons that I don't "need".

    That being said, I am not enjoying this current situation at all. My 401k is tanked, my kid is not going to school for the rest of the year, and my wife is a trauma ICU nurse that had her floor turned into the COVID unit. Personally, I hate the whole situation and pray that it doesn't get bad enough that I ever need any of my firearms for anything more than target shooting but, at the same time, I am damn sure glad that I have them and the ability to defend myself and my family. Rocker said, "If it came to it, I'd probably be able to find a useful person with a gun to look after things". His choice and I honestly hope he never has to try and find that person but, I refuse to rely on others becuase when it really comes down to it, the only one responsible for you and yours is you.
    I hear ya man, well reasoned reply. Let's all hope this passes quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALE View Post
    Huh? The total population of US is like 330 million.
    I was scratching my head a bit too. https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/...-own-guns.aspx
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    I think he meant the 300 million estimated guns in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALE View Post
    Errant bullet killed a kid here a year or two ago. I have a feeling gun nuts love our current situation. And what about the "preppers", they must be creaming their jeans right now!
    no only nut jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Just because it's in a National Forest, doesn't mean people can shoot wherever the hell they want, or that it's not dangerous. Locally, a guy got killed by an errant bullet a couple years back, and there are dozens of close calls a year.

    If anything, I trust people shooting on public land far less than I do on a for-profit range.
    I do not trust people shooting anywhere. People are very ignorant. I go to Ben Avery Shooting range to shoot and sight in my rifles. there are bullet holes in the shade cover, think about that. And it is monitored by AZ GF and Sheriff Dpt.

    people who are afraid of firearms, through fear or ignorance are the danger. people who understand them with education and intelligence do not live in fear of them. I had a friend who inherited his fathers hunting rifles. He thought guns are bad so he would not touch them. He also has three kids. seven of ten rifles had a round in the chamber. He did not know that because they were "evil". his ignorance could have killed one of his kids.

    like firearms or hate firearms, the only way to be safe is proper education. If you do not have one in your home, your kid's friends parents might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rynomx785 View Post
    I think he meant the 300 million estimated guns in the country.
    That would make more sense.
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    I do not trust people shooting anywhere. People are very ignorant. I go to Ben Avery Shooting range to shoot and sight in my rifles. there are bullet holes in the shade cover, think about that. And it is monitored by AZ GF and Sheriff Dpt.

    people who are afraid of firearms, through fear or ignorance are the danger. people who understand them with education and intelligence do not live in fear of them. I had a friend who inherited his fathers hunting rifles. He thought guns are bad so he would not touch them. He also has three kids. seven of ten rifles had a round in the chamber. He did not know that because they were "evil". his ignorance could have killed one of his kids.

    like firearms or hate firearms, the only way to be safe is proper education. If you do not have one in your home, your kid's friends parents might.

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    A couple thoughts. I'm not sure where the dangerous national forrest is, but where we go it is very safe and in the middle of nowhere. We're very careful about backstops and slavishly follow all safety rules. I really doubt and hope we'll never need to use our tools during this crisis, but both my wife and I are happy to be prepared. The time to stock up was the last few years thanks to the Trump Slump. Many Californians recently tried to buy their first gun only to find out how hard it is here -- they'd all believed the media narrative that it was easier than voting.

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    Through the magic of the internet, Google Earth and maybe a phone call or two to save a long drive, you can find BLM land to shoot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    A couple thoughts. I'm not sure where the dangerous national forrest is, but where we go it is very safe and in the middle of nowhere. We're very careful about backstops and slavishly follow all safety rules. I really doubt and hope we'll never need to use our tools during this crisis, but both my wife and I are happy to be prepared. The time to stock up was the last few years thanks to the Trump Slump. Many Californians recently tried to buy their first gun only to find out how hard it is here -- they'd all believed the media narrative that it was easier than voting.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ents/30903483/

    I live a mile from the National Forest with the greatest number of shooting incidents in the US. I've been riding my bike up the FS road and have seen, on multiple occasions, people shooting at trees or beer bottles on top of rocks, on top of a ridge line, with a valley in the background. I've also heard gunfire coming from four different directions, with no legal firing area within several miles, in the same National Forest. I've seen people shooting at signs, at old refrigerators they've lugged up there, at microwaves, at old TVs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ents/30903483/

    I live a mile from the National Forest with the greatest number of shooting incidents in the US. I've been riding my bike up the FS road and have seen, on multiple occasions, people shooting at trees or beer bottles on top of rocks, on top of a ridge line, with a valley in the background. I've also heard gunfire coming from four different directions, with no legal firing area within several miles, in the same National Forest. I've seen people shooting at signs, at old refrigerators they've lugged up there, at microwaves, at old TVs.

    People just suck.
    I have to agree with you. Recreational shooters, along with fisherman are the worst at leaving trash. There was a BLM shooting area in Southern California that was shut down because of the TVs and appliances despite responsible users holding work parties while the BLM held the range cold.

    I rarely shoot outside the outdoor range I'm a member of but when I do I police my brass. Same when I fish. I bring all my beer cans home with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    I do not trust people shooting anywhere. People are very ignorant. I go to Ben Avery Shooting range to shoot and sight in my rifles. there are bullet holes in the shade cover, think about that.

    people who are afraid of firearms, through fear or ignorance are the danger.
    I think your first paragraph kinda contradicts the sentiment of the second. People who are scared of guns and won't touch them aren't half as dangerous as people who aren't scared of them and love to use them, and subsequently don't treat them with the proper caution or respect. I know responsible firearm owners aren't necessarily scared of them either, but they have a healthy respectful for the potential risks. Maybe cautious is a better word for it than scared.

    Even in the example you gave of the person inheriting the guns, I think if you looked at the root cause of the problem you could say it starts with the carelessness of the original owner who left his guns stored with rounds in the chamber, and willed them to someone who had no desire to have them nor the knowledge to deal with them safely.

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    Itís all about education. Learn everything about the gun. How it works. Always treat a gun as if itís loaded. Never put your finger on the trigger until the exact moment you are going to shoot. Never point it towards anything you donít intend to shoot. Then practice,practice,practice. And bust somebodyís chops when you see them behaving recklessly with a gun. No room for second chances.
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    It does not matter who stored the firearms. Yes that is negligence on their behalf to store a loaded firearm. However I was taught to treat all firearms as loaded. If someone gives you a firearm the first thing you do is check if it is loaded. No if ands or buts. To be educated on how to safely understand how to check if a gun is loaded or not is #2 on what to do. When I was a kid I knew what to do and was educated. If I was at a friend's house and there was a gun I knew what to do. #1 on the list. Leave.

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    I have made my wife fire every firearm I own. The only one she cannot shoot is the shotgun. The frame of the gun is too big and well her arms are short. it is not a matter of self defense for crime, It more about self defense for animals. She likes the AR9.

    One of the reasons we moved out of the city was we were robbed several times. Nothing worse than being robbed just after Christmas. Took everything we got for Christmas, TV's, computer, even her great grandmother's wedding ring. They took all my guns but one. Took the whole gun safe. I recovered one, my FN five seven. However it was so destroyed it could not be repaired. They came back two days later trying to get what they missed. It was just over $40k lost.

    I think now there are less home burglary because people are home. However boutique shops are prime targets andha e seen that at properties we manage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I have to agree with you. Recreational shooters, along with fisherman are the worst at leaving trash. There was a BLM shooting area in Southern California that was shut down because of the TVs and appliances despite responsible users holding work parties while the BLM held the range cold.

    I rarely shoot outside the outdoor range I'm a member of but when I do I police my brass. Same when I fish. I bring all my beer cans home with me.
    Vader, I have new respect for you. The hunting camps/ shooting spots get trashed more than any other area of the National Forest near me. Thanks for doing your part.
    Regarding guns, education is absolutely key. Unfortunately, the folks that need to learn are not listening. I have no doubt that the vast majority of owners on mtbr are very responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    I have made my wife fire every firearm I own. The only one she cannot shoot is the shotgun. The frame of the gun is too big and well her arms are short. it is not a matter of self defense for crime, It more about self defense for animals. She likes the AR9.

    One of the reasons we moved out of the city was we were robbed several times. Nothing worse than being robbed just after Christmas. Took everything we got for Christmas, TV's, computer, even her great grandmother's wedding ring. They took all my guns but one. Took the whole gun safe. I recovered one, my FN five seven. However it was so destroyed it could not be repaired. They came back two days later trying to get what they missed. It was just over $40k lost.

    I think now there are less home burglary because people are home. However boutique shops are prime targets andha e seen that at properties we manage
    Holy sh&t, I can't imagine! Thieves are the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALE View Post
    Vader, I have new respect for you. The hunting camps/ shooting spots get trashed more than any other area of the National Forest near me. Thanks for doing your part.
    Regarding guns, education is absolutely key. Unfortunately, the folks that need to learn are not listening. I have no doubt that the vast majority of owners on mtbr are very responsible.
    Totally agree. I feel the majority of mtb people have respect for the environment around them because they want to keep the trails open and clean.

    I always take my shells and brass home. I will even take others. I hate to see the desert filled with broken toilets and propane tanks because they are fun to shoot at.

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    I am an an avid gun enthusiast. Probably enough so that someone who doesn't like guns would consider me a gun nut and say I have weapons that I don't "need".

    That being said, I am not enjoying this current situation at all. My 401k is tanked, my kid is not going to school for the rest of the year, and my wife is a trauma ICU nurse that had her floor turned into the COVID unit. Personally, I hate the whole situation and pray that it doesn't get bad enough that I ever need any of my firearms for anything more than target shooting but, at the same time, I am damn sure glad that I have them and the ability to defend myself and my family. Rocker said, "If it came to it, I'd probably be able to find a useful person with a gun to look after things". His choice and I honestly hope he never has to try and find that person but, I refuse to rely on others becuase when it really comes down to it, the only one responsible for you and yours is you.


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    I stocked up when Obama took office. A neighbor told me, "Buy it cheap and stack it deep". I have plenty and yeah the feel good ten day wait has been around for a while. It's not like in AZ where they run the exact DOJ background check and you walk out in five minutes.
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    Through the magic of the internet, Google Earth and maybe a phone call or two to save a long drive, you can find BLM land to shoot on.
    Nevada is almost all BLM land, and sadly the closest places around vegas are trashed with target practice garbage. We have a state of the art range too but I guess it's not enough. might be a good time to arrange some cleanups since everyone has extra time on their hands.
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    I'm sorry some of you have issues in the national forest, I guess we're lucky at the ones we like. It is very clean and we always clean up carefully and collect our brass. We also take our own targets and don't shot nature. I'm trying my best to bring my kids correctly.

    Who the heck keeps hunting riffles loaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I'm sorry some of you have issues in the national forest, I guess we're lucky at the ones we like. It is very clean and we always clean up carefully and collect our brass. We also take our own targets and don't shot nature. I'm trying my best to bring my kids correctly.

    Who the heck keeps hunting riffles loaded?
    All of my guns stay loaded. When I need a gun RIGHT NOW, the last thing I want to have to do is find shells and take time to load it. I have a gun at the front door and back door and the four main rooms of the house. Also have guns in my shop and campers. I wonít be caught off guard. I take precautions when company comes over and guests are warned that there are weapons in the house. I donít live in fear and Iím not waiting for a battle, but I am prepared.
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    I think he meant the 300 million estimated guns in the country.
    Yes what I should have said. Estimated 393 million guns with population at 326 mil. from 2017. So as I said, law abiding gun owners arenít the problem with so few guns in circulation.

    So right on topic. At Orange Coast Hospital in Fountain Valley, Ca. 5 min from my a house an unstable guy showed up outside the ER with a flare gun and a replica hand gun. Code silver and reports of shots fired (misinformation) so after some over reaction and false info, the guy was subdued by Hospital staff.

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    no only nut jobs.



    I do not trust people shooting anywhere. People are very ignorant. I go to Ben Avery Shooting range to shoot and sight in my rifles. there are bullet holes in the shade cover, think about that. And it is monitored by AZ GF and Sheriff Dpt.

    people who are afraid of firearms, through fear or ignorance are the danger. people who understand them with education and intelligence do not live in fear of them. I had a friend who inherited his fathers hunting rifles. He thought guns are bad so he would not touch them. He also has three kids. seven of ten rifles had a round in the chamber. He did not know that because they were "evil". his ignorance could have killed one of his kids.

    like firearms or hate firearms, the only way to be safe is proper education. If you do not have one in your home, your kid's friends parents might.
    Been here before, but it is possible to be educated about guns and not want to have any. I am a British Army certified marksman. Used many weapons including handguns, rifles of various kinds, SMGs, LMGs and heavies too. I am not afraid of them, I know what they are capable of, but I just do not see a need or want. My choice.
    I have been shot at a couple of times, luckily not hit, and I am fully conversant with what they can do. I have had others threaten me with handguns, which pissed me off rather than scared me, altho one time I was scared as it was a tweaker who was on the business end.

    Forgot to add, I have been out riding in the Tortolitas here, and had rounds impact close by. There were a bunch of yahoos out shooting in the Mountain Park. Not cool. probably the same morons who were shooting up Saguaro in the canyon there.
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    Nice Dozer pile from pushing out the shooting lane and some Salute steel on your own land. Practice social distancing and trigger control at the same time. Kill two birds with one stone.....
    No trash.
    No errant rounds.
    Nobody else to watch and worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I have to agree with you. Recreational shooters, along with fisherman are the worst at leaving trash. There was a BLM shooting area in Southern California that was shut down because of the TVs and appliances despite responsible users holding work parties while the BLM held the range cold.

    I rarely shoot outside the outdoor range I'm a member of but when I do I police my brass. Same when I fish. I bring all my beer cans home with me.
    You can't even catch a fish without the errant discarding of a random energy drink can, can you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALE View Post
    Holy sh&t, I can't imagine! Thieves are the worst.
    If you have never been robbed it is a strange thing. Since it was just after Xmas, Dec 27, I came home and went to plug in the Christmas lights, got the trash can, did this and that. It was maybe 15 min before I went in the house.

    I walked in and there was clothes and bed sheets on the floor. I thought what the hell were cats doing. I didn't even notice that the TV was missing. I went in the bedroom and all the drawers were pulled out and flipped over as well as the bed. I stood there for a bit thinking wtf is this all about...
    I turned and saw my closet and everything was thrown around. At that point I realized we had been robbed.

    I stood there for a second and didn't move because I noticed my gun safe was gone. All I could think of was there is a guy in my bathroom with my shotgun behind me.

    I booked it outside and called 911. They said it wasn't an emergency and to call back later. I called the Phoenix PD at 5:15pm. They did not have an officer there till 1:30am.

    I think the robbers were in the house when I came home. They left several things wrapped up in pillow cases on the floor. That's why they came back two days later to get what they missed. One was the safety deposit box they left and some other jewelry. Luckily we took anything of value out of the house the next day. So there was nothing to take. However the did take my wife's original Gameboy and my soap dish from my bathroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EugeneTheJeep View Post
    Nevada is almost all BLM land, and sadly the closest places around vegas are trashed with target practice garbage.
    Yep, same in SoCal (some places, anyway). They closed them all down in San Diego county, but many of those were due to fire danger during the drought years (or so they said).

    TBF though, even on the PCT in fairly remote places there's a crap ton of garbage. People out hiking just toss their plastic water bottles & granola bar wrappers.
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    There is zero shotgun or handgun ammo available in Oregon. The best estimates I've been told is roughly 3 months. There were literally lines around the block to buy. There was something like a 3-5k waiting list on background checks to buy a gun which was roughly 5-7 days but understand that went back to near normal....I guess there is no point in buying a gun if you can't buy ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Uh California ainít known as an easy to get state.
    You must live in Canada.....
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    Huh? The total population of US is like 330 million.
    Is it not a "stat" that there is 2 or 3 guns per every citizen?
    330M people, but 500M+ guns. Which would seem more correct, along with 10T+ rounds of ammo.

    One of the many problems are people are bringing their guns to a fist fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Would never own a Ring. Would never own a gun. I do use Nextdoor to find useful people. If it came to it, I'd probably be able to find a useful person with a gun to look after things
    Mostly to protect myself from people who might consider themselves law abiding...
    Lots of people seem to want the Apocalypse, if only just to put all these things to some kind of use! I do have my metal spiky helmet and gerbil fur lined leather straps and posing pouch in the closet too, if it came to it...
    totally, f-ing agree!!

    I don't use Nextdoor, even though we have it for our neighborhood. My wife is on it, and for the most part, I have never seen anyone trashing anyone else...most of ours is pretty mundane "yard sale" or "free to a good home" kind of stuff

    i have these guys:

    Social unrest and crime in these times-img_2477.jpg

    the knife has actually gotten me out of 3 life threatening incidents while loading out after gigs...I just like to throw the axe at stumps. Also ,have a few swords that are fun...

    but yeah, around here, crime has not really changed...I do hear less stories about burglary, robbery stuff. Same amount of alcohol fueled violence...about one shooting every 3 nights...usually related to gangs or bar incidents

    so far, people seem to have been civil around here...except for upper middle class soccer mom types raiding the box stores of toilet paper and juice boxes...
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    Damn, that knife! That thing is almost as scary as looking down the barrel of a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    You can always defend yourself with a pencil like the Ca politicians suggest or throw your eraser at them. With over 300 million law abiding gun owners in the US, if we were a problem, you would here about it daily.
    i hear about it daily...in our city; in Chicago; in LA; in Detroit; in Boston; in Syria; in New Zealand; in Russia;

    the problem is that the guns are out there, and available for anyone to get illegally. The legality of the ownership is irrelevant, and inconsequential. The guns proliferate b/c the money "trickles upward" to those making the guns and supporting the lobby's who make it possible for more guns to be made to make more money for those few people...

    so you are are correct in that the 300 million gun owners are not all guilty of the gun violence, but they are a part of the problem by creating the ridiculous, fear driven demand of wanting and owning a gun.

    NO ONE, other than a terrorist, or an active duty military person, will have an AR-15; AK-47; M4; SAIGA; Uzi; HK33 or whatever...

    So if you own something larger than a hunting gun, something that was SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO KILL MASS AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE QUICKLY are you active military?

    or a terrorist?

    none for me thanks....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    You can always defend yourself with a pencil like the Ca politicians suggest or throw your eraser at them. With over 300 million law abiding gun owners in the US, if we were a problem, you would here about it daily.
    Hey, those pencils can be baaaaaaad news. No joking! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K3E5tLoado

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    I'm a bit worried about all these folks that have run out and bought their 1st guns in the face of this... the ranges are closed there is no place for them to get any real training on these guns...

    I've been shooting since I was a kid, but I had my WWII vet grandpa teaching me how to handle / be safe with weapons.. A bunch of scared people suddenly having AR-15s ..etc.. with no experience / training / range time..etc is scary..

    Hopefully we come out the other side of this, and people that have run out and bought weapons will take the time to become proficient/safe with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    If you have never been robbed it is a strange thing. Since it was just after Xmas, Dec 27, I came home and went to plug in the Christmas lights, got the trash can, did this and that. It was maybe 15 min before I went in the house.

    I walked in and there was clothes and bed sheets on the floor. I thought what the hell were cats doing. I didn't even notice that the TV was missing. I went in the bedroom and all the drawers were pulled out and flipped over as well as the bed. I stood there for a bit thinking wtf is this all about...
    I turned and saw my closet and everything was thrown around. At that point I realized we had been robbed.

    I stood there for a second and didn't move because I noticed my gun safe was gone. All I could think of was there is a guy in my bathroom with my shotgun behind me.

    I booked it outside and called 911. They said it wasn't an emergency and to call back later. I called the Phoenix PD at 5:15pm. They did not have an officer there till 1:30am.

    I think the robbers were in the house when I came home. They left several things wrapped up in pillow cases on the floor. That's why they came back two days later to get what they missed. One was the safety deposit box they left and some other jewelry. Luckily we took anything of value out of the house the next day. So there was nothing to take. However the did take my wife's original Gameboy and my soap dish from my bathroom.
    Fuuuuuuuuckkkk. Glad you and yours are ok after that doozie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Hey, those pencils can be baaaaaaad news. No joking! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K3E5tLoado
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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    ....They took all my guns but one. Took the whole gun safe. I recovered one, my FN five seven....
    and here is the number one thing that erases any and all responsible gun ownership/education/ whatever....

    azimiut did everything absolutely right on his part to prevent gun "idiocy"...and still, 5-7 people (depending on how many were in the safe) now have hold of a gun, and WILL use it irresponsibly...

    I am absolutely NOT blaming azumiut. I am blaming the mind set that we need more than one gun...for anything. And that allows for this massive inundation of guns into a populace that is NOT smart enough, or respectful enough to use and own them.

    How do we stop the illegal insemination of guns into the populace? Nothing is working right now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    Damn, that knife! That thing is almost as scary as looking down the barrel of a gun.
    yep...that is what the people in those incidents also thought...
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    NO ONE, other than a terrorist, or an active duty military person, will have an AR-15; AK-47; M4; SAIGA; Uzi; HK33 or whatever...
    Wrong.
    Patently False

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I have had others threaten me with handguns, which pissed me off rather than scared me, altho one time I was scared as it was a tweaker who was on the business end.

    .
    this is what happened to me in one of the incidents when I used the scary knife. Was loading out in DC after a gig, in the back of the truck. Guy came around the corner, and stepped onto the tailgate and said "yeah, I am helping the band" and proceeded to pull the pistol out of his pocket. I was cornered, and super pissed, and just pulled the knife out and said "think quick bud..." and jumped at him. He rolled/fell out of the truck and bolted down the alley. I put the knife back, and then promptly threw up....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    ooops, i left out female terrorists as well...sorry
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    Terrorist?
    Think not.
    Speaks to the irrationality of your premise.
    Female Civilian from Ohio outshoots the military shooters....
    IN YOUR HOME STATE at Camp Perry.....
    Ever hear of the Civilian Marksmanship Program?
    CAMP PERRY, OH ó Sara Rozanski, of Elmore, Ohio topped all female competitors in the National Trophy Individual Match (NTI) with a new record score of 496-22X, winning the Womenís Trophy at the National Matches here Tuesday, July 30.
    Rozanskiís performance eclipsed the previous womenís record of 496-19X by center shot X-ring tie-breaker, last set by the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unitís Amanda Elsenboss in 2017

    A native of Toledo, just 28 miles from Camp Perry, Rozanski has been competing in highpower rifle events since she was 16 years old, when she learned to compete with the semi-automatic civilian equivalent of the Armyís M14 rifle, commonly referred to as the M1A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Terrorist?
    Think not.
    Speaks to the irrationality of your premise.
    Female Civilian from Ohio outshoots the military shooters....
    IN YOUR HOME STATE at Camp Perry.....

    CAMP PERRY, OH ó Sara Rozanski, of Elmore, Ohio topped all female competitors in the National Trophy Individual Match (NTI) with a new record score of 496-22X, winning the Womenís Trophy at the National Matches here Tuesday, July 30.
    Rozanskiís performance eclipsed the previous womenís record of 496-19X by center shot X-ring tie-breaker, last set by the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unitís Amanda Elsenboss in 2017
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    and you are completely missing my point, which is:

    if you own a gun that was specifically designed to kill mass amounts of people in short amounts of time, and you are not active military on assignment, you are akin to a terrorist.

    It doesn't matter how well you shoot the gun, or how many classes you have taken to learn where to put your trigger finger when you are not shooting.

    The intent of those guns is to kill mass amounts of people in a short time. Outside of declared war, that is an act of terrorism.

    Nothing will change my mind about this viewpoint. it is just how I gauge it.
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    I just watched Laura Ingraham tell Bill Barr (USAG) multiple times, in the space of several minutes, that it's not appropriate for civil liberties to be suspended right now. While I disagree with AG Barr on many issues, he calmly and thoughtfully explained to her several different ways that SCOTUS has ruled that in times of emergency, rights can be suspended. She kept on circling back, though, and seemed hell bent on singling out religion as the one thing that was being "suppressed".

    Why is she hellbent on stirring up discontent here? Not only is it not true (see: professional sports, concerts, parades, etc.), but the suspension of all of those large gatherings is firmly within the wheelhouse of the federal government, as well as state governments in times of emergency.
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    oh man...the wife is gonna be pissed...I just circle pitted in the dining room and trashed everything!!!
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    . if you own a gun that was specifically designed to kill mass amounts of people in short amounts of time, and you are not active military on assignment, you are akin to a terrorist.

    It doesn't matter how well you shoot the gun, or how many classes you have taken to learn where to put your trigger finger when you are not shooting.

    The intent of those guns is to kill mass amounts of people in a short time. Outside of declared war, that is an act of terrorism.

    Nothing will change my mind about this viewpoint. it is just how I gauge it.
    Again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    and you are completely missing my point, which is:

    if you own a gun that was specifically designed to kill mass amounts of people in short amounts of time, and you are not active military on assignment, you are akin to a terrorist.
    Hell there are plenty of folks in the military who are terrorists with the right uniform on. Look at some high profile cases in recent years - Eddie Gallagher, Chris Kyle. I'm sure their experiences screwed up their minds beyond belief, but when you brag about killing civilians or pose for pictures with corpses there's no hiding that you're a terrorist.

    That said, think about it on a domestic level. Neo Nazis and white supremacists already have the guns you mentioned that nobody should have. Nobody's gonna take them from them, so do you like them having that upper hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    i hear about it daily...in our city; in Chicago; in LA; in Detroit; in Boston; in Syria; in New Zealand; in Russia;

    the problem is that the guns are out there, and available for anyone to get illegally. The legality of the ownership is irrelevant, and inconsequential. The guns proliferate b/c the money "trickles upward" to those making the guns and supporting the lobby's who make it possible for more guns to be made to make more money for those few people...

    so you are are correct in that the 300 million gun owners are not all guilty of the gun violence, but they are a part of the problem by creating the ridiculous, fear driven demand of wanting and owning a gun.

    NO ONE, other than a terrorist, or an active duty military person, will have an AR-15; AK-47; M4; SAIGA; Uzi; HK33 or whatever...

    So if you own something larger than a hunting gun, something that was SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO KILL MASS AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE QUICKLY are you active military?

    or a terrorist?

    none for me thanks....
    No one needs a 200mph car when the speed limit is 65, do they? 200mph cars only belong on the race track with that analogy. Death by guns would drop well over 50% if we eliminated all gang members/killers and fear might just go way down with a lot less murders on the news daily. Enjoy your pencil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    Hell there are plenty of folks in the military who are terrorists with the right uniform on. Look at some high profile cases in recent years - Eddie Gallagher, Chris Kyle. I'm sure their experiences screwed up their minds beyond belief, but when you brag about killing civilians or pose for pictures with corpses there's no hiding that you're a terrorist.

    That said, think about it on a domestic level. Neo Nazis and white supremacists already have the guns you mentioned that nobody should have. Nobody's gonna take them from them, so do you like them having that upper hand?
    FWIW, I've never heard that Chris Kyle did anything bad. Other than the fake Jesse Ventura story.

    Eddie Gallagher is a complete and utter shitbag, though.
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    I think it is fine for responsible people to have loaded guns for defense. I did think it was a bad idea for dead hunter guy mentioned above to have lots of hunting rifles laying around loaded. I also hope the new gun owners are careful and get training. I personally don't envision any need to use any of my tools during this event -- but I'm happy to have them! I bet all this sounds weird to people in the UK. But I love America!

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    Quote Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    No one needs a 200mph car when the speed limit is 65, do they? 200mph cars only belong on the race track with that analogy. Death by guns would drop well over 50% if we eliminated all gang members/killers and fear might just go way down with a lot less murders on the news daily. Enjoy your pencil!
    actually, no they don't. And allowing 200mph cars to be available to the public is just as socially irresponsible as the gun thing. But 200mph cars make a small amount of people a shyt ton of money, and money ultimately talks. Money trumps responsibility.

    and you will never get to see gang member/killers go away as long as the gun situation stay as it is. They are able to kill that way b/c it is easy for them to get the tools to do so. End of story. The reason they become that way is a larger problem to solve - systematic racism; the "War on Drugs" keeping a steady supply of narcotics going to the impoverished classes; the destruction of the family aand community unit - but the violent end result of much of their rage is easily affordable and attainable for them....because of the inundation of guns...

    again...no one will ever convince me that the ownership of more than one, hunting level gun is a good thing. I don't need a gun, or a pencil, because I have not fallen prey to the fear tactics of the pro gun crowd...

    I grew up target shooting. Dad was in the Marines, and taught me everything I need to know about shooting and gun responsibility. I am not unfamiliar with guns, nor do I fear them. i just don't want to get into that mind set of fear
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    FWIW, I've never heard that Chris Kyle did anything bad. Other than the fake Jesse Ventura story.

    Eddie Gallagher is a complete and utter shitbag, though.
    Eh you're probably right about the first one and I'm sorry to misrepresent in that case.
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    I think most gun related deaths come from suicides and not from gangs. Six out of ten gun deaths in 2017 were from suicides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by str8edgMTBMXer View Post
    i just don't want to get into that mind seat of fear
    Why must it be fear? How about the mind set of fun and enjoyment which is the main reason a lot of gun owners buy/own guns. Why must a bed side gun be any different than a smoke alarm? It Ďs there if you need. Is it fear having a fire extinguisher in your house?
    Anyway, no need to debate further, you have your reasons and us gun owners have ours. Some people collect cars and some people collect guns and fear has zero to do with it for a lot of gun owners. Both hobbies are also an addiction to some, just like bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Fuuuuuuuuckkkk. Glad you and yours are ok after that doozie.
    After all that our home was no longer our home. It was just a house, nothing more. There is a difference between a house and a home. We never felt comfortable there after that. Any loud noise at night made us jump out of bed. We were robbed two years later but it was teenage girls trying to steal prescription meds.

    The FN five seven pistol was recovered from guy who tried to hide it in his 6 year olds pants. He was an illegal immigrant wanted for domestic violence and drugs. Jose Luise Ledezma. The gun was loaded but if you fired it, it would have blown up in your face. The chamber was cracked. It had wrench marks all over it most likely some idiot tried to load different rounds in it. If you are familiar with a five seven it does not have normal ammo. He did not rob our house, but purchased the firearm on a street corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    I think most gun related deaths come from suicides and not from gangs. Six out of ten gun deaths in 2017 were from suicides.
    True. You take away suicides and gang killings by guns and you would (just a guess) see the death rate by guns drop a good 75% minimum in the US.

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    Just gotta buy used guns or go to a gun show, easy to bypass.

    There will be lots of people selling their stock to make mortgage/rent payment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    Just gotta buy used guns or go to a gun show, easy to bypass.

    There will be lots of people selling their stock to make mortgage/rent payment.
    Not in Ca. All legal gun sales go through an FFL or gun store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt4x4 View Post
    Just gotta buy used guns or go to a gun show, easy to bypass.
    No not really. A private gun sale in CA still have to go through an FFL and you have to go through a background check along with the 10 day wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    Why must it be fear? How about the mind set of fun and enjoyment which is the main reason a lot of gun owners buy/own guns. Why must a bed side gun be any different than a smoke alarm? It Ďs there if you need. Is it fear having a fire extinguisher in your house?
    smoke alarms and fire extinguishers were not developed with the specific intent to kill. Your 3 year old child won't kill himself, or his sister, by accidentally setting off a smoke alarm. People don't break into houses, take fire extinguishers, and then shoot use them in criminal acts of cowardice and violence.


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    Anyway, no need to debate further, you have your reasons and us gun owners have ours. Some people collect cars and some people collect guns and fear has zero to do with it for a lot of gun owners. Both hobbies are also an addiction to some, just like bikes.
    totally agree! And I definitely don't refute the collectable thing, being a collector/hoarder myself. And I also agree about the fear thing for some gun owners, but in my personal experience, most of the NRA/ pro gun people I know - meaning family, personal friends etc - always explain their gun ownership by FIRST stating that they don't want to " be undefended in a time of crisis/need" ....to me, that has fear written all over it. Some make the statement in a less eloquent way, but of the over 100 people i know that are pro gun...NONE are "collecting".

    In the end, I don't hate pro gunners/NRA types. I ride side by side, and crash, and bleed with pro gunners. They are the drummers and guitar players in my bands. People who's children I have taught and grown up with.
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    Yup. Gun shows in cali need a ffl dealer. In AZ they don't have to, but they do for personal protection.

    I have the info on what happened to my other stollen firearms but I have to deal with a lawyer before I can tell the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    No not really. A private gun sale in CA still have to go through an FFL and you have to go through a background check along with the 10 day wait.
    There are some inter-familial transfers that are exempt from this, and a few exemptions for antiques and curios & relics, but otherwise true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    There are some inter-familial transfers that are exempt from this, and a few exemptions for antiques and curios & relics, but otherwise true.
    Thatís how a friend of mine got his. He inherited them from his dad. Mostly old rifles.

    He tried to buy ammo for them before the shelter in place orders and he got denied.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    He tried to buy ammo for them before the shelter in place orders and he got denied.
    This article describes a lot of rejections happening last year and a major reason is CADOJ database errors / mismatches.

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...238203004.html

    I have a record in the database so I'm able to buy ammo for $1 and a fast background check. I had to go in and update my personal info because I purchased that gun when I lived at another address.

    Just FYI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    I think most gun related deaths come from suicides and not from gangs. Six out of ten gun deaths in 2017 were from suicides.
    One reason not to have easy access to a gun. Slight depression and a rash decision. Iím for having protection or for hunting purposes. Iím just saying thatís the reason thereís so many suicides by gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    no only nut jobs.



    I do not trust people shooting anywhere. People are very ignorant. I go to Ben Avery Shooting range to shoot and sight in my rifles. there are bullet holes in the shade cover, think about that. And it is monitored by AZ GF and Sheriff Dpt.

    people who are afraid of firearms, through fear or ignorance are the danger. people who understand them with education and intelligence do not live in fear of them. I had a friend who inherited his fathers hunting rifles. He thought guns are bad so he would not touch them. He also has three kids. seven of ten rifles had a round in the chamber. He did not know that because they were "evil". his ignorance could have killed one of his kids.

    like firearms or hate firearms, the only way to be safe is proper education. If you do not have one in your home, your kid's friends parents might.
    So, you have a friend with nothing but fear of firearms, children and many guns in one place and you, as a self-proclaimed knowledgeable gun person, don't have the intelligence to clear and secure all of those weapons? If anyone had gotten hurt, I'd put the blame on you.

    The hypocrisy of some gun proponents is disturbing. From one side of your mouth you advocate safety yet your behavior leaves a potentially deadly situation uncorrected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    So, you have a friend with nothing but fear of firearms, children and many guns in one place and you, as a self-proclaimed knowledgeable gun person, don't have the intelligence to clear and secure all of those weapons? If anyone had gotten hurt, I'd put the blame on you.

    The hypocrisy of some gun proponents is disturbing. From one side of your mouth you advocate safety yet your behavior leaves a potentially deadly situation uncorrected.
    ďIf anyone had gotten hurt, Iíd put the blame on youĒ.

    Wake and bake much? Wth are you thinking? I donít understand that logic.

    I applaud azimiut. Especially having gone thru what he has. Itís our duty to protect our family. Itís not his duty to police other people. How do you know that he didnít educate his friend about all of those guns?
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    I cannot help but think how crazy this country is now. We are faced with a pandemic that is killing many and altering our lives drastically, so what do people do? They rush out to buy toilet paper, guns and ammo.
    There is something very wrong with that.
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    It depends what their reason is rocker. Folks are scared. I would be if I lived in the city. People will start getting desperate when the money quits coming in. They just want to protect themselves and their families I would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    It depends what their reason is rocker. Folks are scared. I would be if I lived in the city. People will start getting desperate when the money quits coming in. They just want to protect themselves and their families I would think.
    I'm afraid that does not change my perception that something is very wrong. If we are that close to chaos, I despair. There should be no need to lose our minds over this and start shooting the place up.
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    I donít think people are buying guns ďto start shooting the place upĒ lol. People just want protection, especially from criminals. I donít think we are anywhere close to chaos either. But a lot of people arenít going to wait til it gets crazy to arm themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    So, you have a friend with nothing but fear of firearms, children and many guns in one place and you, as a self-proclaimed knowledgeable gun person, don't have the intelligence to clear and secure all of those weapons? If anyone had gotten hurt, I'd put the blame on you.

    The hypocrisy of some gun proponents is disturbing. From one side of your mouth you advocate safety yet your behavior leaves a potentially deadly situation uncorrected.
    He obviously unloaded them for the dude, or he wouldn't have known there was a round in the chamber.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I cannot help but think how crazy this country is now. We are faced with a pandemic that is killing many and altering our lives drastically, so what do people do? They rush out to buy toilet paper, guns and ammo.
    There is something very wrong with that.
    In our country's defense, I am willing to bet that "people" that rushed out to buy toilet paper and ammo is a very small percentage of the population.

    My shopping habits haven't changed at all since all this crap started. Only thing that has changed is I try and use one sheet per wipe instead of two for obvious reasons. LOL

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    Pretty quiet last night, no sirens and only one "did anyone just hear gunshots?" post on Ring!
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    some weird crazed desert dweller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    My neighbor was playing catch in the park with his son and a Karen called the cops on them. He said the cops told him they were called to an "organized baseball game" they all had a laugh but I wouldn't want to be Karen when you need a neighbor for help.
    Our friend across the street is a bit of a Karen, if not somewhat hypocritical,with her Facebook comments on being 'covidiots' and sitting in her driveway monitoring the proximity of walking folks. Yet, she walks with her friends and hangs in her driveway with them and their kids. And her son walks around the 'hood collecting bottles and cans covered in corona crust...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    I donít think people are buying guns ďto start shooting the place upĒ lol. People just want protection, especially from criminals. I donít think we are anywhere close to chaos either. But a lot of people arenít going to wait til it gets crazy to arm themselves.
    In times of crisis shit gets real in a hurry for people. The potential for law and order to get thrown out the window is always a possibility. Maybe only for a short time but a lot can happen in a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    I donít think people are buying guns ďto start shooting the place upĒ lol. People just want protection, especially from criminals. I donít think we are anywhere close to chaos either. But a lot of people arenít going to wait til it gets crazy to arm themselves.
    I hope you are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir kayakalot View Post
    All of my guns stay loaded. When I need a gun RIGHT NOW, the last thing I want to have to do is find shells and take time to load it. I have a gun at the front door and back door and the four main rooms of the house. Also have guns in my shop and campers. I wonít be caught off guard. I take precautions when company comes over and guests are warned that there are weapons in the house. I donít live in fear and Iím not waiting for a battle, but I am prepared.
    Damn, son...where do you live that is so dangerous?
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