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    Price gouging

    You seen it? Post pics.

    2oz of sanitizer, $4 after tax. Two ounces!

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    I’ve survived this long without using hand sanitizer. Just soap and water. I guess I am financially ahead of everyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    You seen it? Post pics.

    2oz of sanitizer, $4 after tax. Two ounces!


    Yeah, that's pretty wild. Get yourself some isopropyl or something. This is better than people that go out and buy everything off the shelf and sell it at 10x markup. Not sure where the ethical line is on that. Some people would say the ethical thing to do is buy out things people need and sell them at higher prices. Imagine thinking that you deserve more money not by offering a service or product to people, but for creating an obstacle to get it.
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    It keeps people from hoarding it, so those that needed it can get it.

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    Loved the story of the guy(s) trying to corner the market on hand sanitizer when this thing first kicked off. Authorities came knocking and prohibited him from selling 17,000 units. To avoid prosecution, he ended up donating them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Loved the story of the guy(s) trying to corner the market on hand sanitizer when this thing first kicked off. Authorities came knocking and prohibited him from selling 17,000 units. To avoid prosecution, he ended up donating them.
    I have a problem with that. Unless he was price gouging, which is against the law during a disaster, he was only exercising the free market. I didnt see the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I have a problem with that. Unless he was price gouging, which is against the law during a disaster, he was only exercising the free market. I didnt see the story.
    Right. They were gouging. $70/ea

    https://q13fox.com/2020/04/24/tennes...with-donation/

    This is why Taiwan (as part of their pandemic response plan) took control of the supply chain right away. It ensured that PPE was available when and where it was needed. They were able to institute these and other measures which allowed them to avoid "locking down" the populace.
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    $3.79 for 2 oz is price gouging, is the government going after that store, nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    Right. They were gouging. $70/ea

    https://q13fox.com/2020/04/24/tennes...with-donation/

    This is why Taiwan (as part of their pandemic response plan) took control of the supply chain right away. It ensured that PPE was available when and where it was needed. They were able to institute these and other measures which allowed them to avoid "locking down" the populace.
    That's not cool. There's a law in California about gouging during a state of emergency. A number of years ago, residents were evacuated off the mountain due to a wildfire. Some hotels were charging $500 a night instead of the regular $69.
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    Groceries in general have gone up across the board and now gas prices are starting to creep up slowly.

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    Soap and hot water.
    Simple enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Soap and hot water.
    Simple enough.
    Yep, I always carry my prepper hot water sink and soap dispenser everywhere I go. Ain't no govmint conspiracy chems going onto my freedom trigger puller! J.C. didn't wear no mask, ain't gonna neither.
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    I keep a bottle of foam dish soap and baby wipes in the car. Great for cleaning your hands after being in a store or poison ivy off your legs from a ride. Cheap, easy and effective

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Groceries in general have gone up across the board and now gas prices are starting to creep up slowly.
    ^This happens yearly in CA. Gearing up for the "Summer blend".
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    Oh, and soap and warm water is better than any hand sanitizer out there.
    Sanitizers might be good when you got no soap and water, at least they are better than nothing.

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    Funny how when things are good it's referred to as "supply and demand" but when things are bad it's referred to as "price gouging".

    Yeah for the "free" economy.

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    Lots of people wouldn't bat an eye at paying $3.79 for a tiny bottle of hand sanitizer (or sunblock, etc.) at a tourist destination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Lots of people wouldn't bat an eye at paying $3.79 for a tiny bottle of hand sanitizer (or sunblock, etc.) at a tourist destination.
    $15 for a small tube of sunscreen at the snowfields here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watermonkey View Post
    Yep, I always carry my prepper hot water sink and soap dispenser everywhere I go. Ain't no govmint conspiracy chems going onto my freedom trigger puller! J.C. didn't wear no mask, ain't gonna neither.
    You can do whatever you want.
    You are the perfect customer.
    Me, I just use soap and water, boring ain’t it.
    Even the name is boring.
    “Soap”.
    Only one syllable.
    Plain white bar.
    Just a bar of Ivory on the edge of the sink.
    Use it up completely until it is all gone.
    Plain paper wrapper.
    But that’s just me. Common as an old shoe.

    “SANITIZER”.
    Now we’re talking!
    So much cooler, 3 syllables, you can carry it around everywhere you go.
    Comes in pretty colored bottles that usually have a mechanism that leaves 10% in the bottle unused so when you toss it the world knows you are rich enough to be cavalier about waste....
    Pretty little bubbles of air suspended throughout.
    Sooo Cool.

    Yep.
    You are the Perfect Customer.

    Me, I shook a guy’s hand the other day, paid in paper cash, had some ice cream and washed my hands when I got home.
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    Shake hands all you want. Don't touch face, wash hands (use sanitizer if that's all you got). I don't see why this has to be a "gotcha."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    Oh, and soap and warm water is better than any hand sanitizer out there.
    Sanitizers might be good when you got no soap and water, at least they are better than nothing.

    The real challenge in the no touchie face rule.
    Yeah there's few situations I've used hand sanitizer, and it mostly involves having to touch a fuel pump handle or door handle and then get in the car and touch the steering wheel or the front door of my house. Pretty easy. Even easier not to shake hands with folks, and nobody has met me with hostility. We know it's floating around these parts. Give a nice hearty wave or a head nod.

    It's a tool for a time and place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Shake hands all you want. Don't touch face, wash hands (use sanitizer if that's all you got). I don't see why this has to be a "gotcha."
    For some of us, it's always a gotcha.
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    Yowza.Price gouging-20200519_114349_resized.jpg

    Ain't no way good beer was this expensive before the corona die-rus.

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    For some of us, it's always a gotcha.

    Soap and hot water.
    Simple enough.*





    *No gotcha.
    But for some of y’all, you’re right, that ain’t enuff.
    As evidenced, simple suggestion of soap and water triggers commentary on conspiracies, Jesus Christ, Big Government, personal freedom, mask efficacy, and gun control......all in one reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    You can do whatever you want.
    You are the perfect customer.
    Me, I just use soap and water, boring ain’t it.
    Even the name is boring.
    “Soap”.
    Only one syllable.
    Plain white bar.
    Just a bar of Ivory on the edge of the sink.
    Use it up completely until it is all gone.
    Plain paper wrapper.
    But that’s just me. Common as an old shoe.

    “SANITIZER”.
    Now we’re talking!
    So much cooler, 3 syllables, you can carry it around everywhere you go.
    Comes in pretty colored bottles that usually have a mechanism that leaves 10% in the bottle unused so when you toss it the world knows you are rich enough to be cavalier about waste....
    Pretty little bubbles of air suspended throughout.
    Sooo Cool.

    Yep.
    You are the Perfect Customer.

    Me, I shook a guy’s hand the other day, paid in paper cash, had some ice cream and washed my hands when I got home.
    Living on the Edge, I know......
    Di ent even git de sniff ills.....
    Sanitizer is three syllables? Huh. Maybe you pronounce it "saintizer"?

    "Ethyl, get me the dadgum saintizer, wouldja now?"
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    San-I-tizer......


    You got me.
    Score one gotcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    Yeah there's few situations I've used hand sanitizer, and it mostly involves having to touch a fuel pump handle or door handle and then get in the car and touch the steering wheel or the front door of my house. Pretty easy. Even easier not to shake hands with folks, and nobody has met me with hostility. We know it's floating around these parts. Give a nice hearty wave or a head nod.

    It's a tool for a time and place.
    Yup. I don't carry a tub of hot water around in my car. I have DIY sanitizer in a bottle in each car, I use it before (for others) & after (for me) handing my payment card to the vendor, pumping gas, etc. Hands get washed at the first opportunity.

    I don't get why this is such a trigger point for some people. Just do smart things and move on.
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    Wash hands.
    Move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    Yeah there's few situations I've used hand sanitizer, and it mostly involves having to touch a fuel pump handle or door handle and then get in the car and touch the steering wheel or the front door of my house. Pretty easy. Even easier not to shake hands with folks, and nobody has met me with hostility. We know it's floating around these parts. Give a nice hearty wave or a head nod.

    It's a tool for a time and place.
    Your area isn’t trained on the “corona fist pump”? It’s second nature where I live. As far as pumping gas. I’ve worked through this whole thing ten times harder than usual. I work with the public. I wear a mask and gloves my entire shift every day and have for 6 weeks or so. For some reason once I leave work and get in my truck the mask comes off. I pull into a grocery store or wherever and forget my mask. Half way in I see another with a mask, back to the truck I go to retrieve it. As for gloves or some kind of barrier at the gas pump, i usually hit the gas station after a long grueling day at work. I pull in and proceed to pump my gas, doh! It hits me as I’m pumping [after the fact] I didn’t wear gloves or use any kind of barrier between my hand and pump. Luckily I carry Lysol wipes and immediately scrub down afterwards, It’s getting old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Ain't no way good beer was this expensive before the corona die-rus.
    That's a 12-pack though.
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    Nail fungus and oxygen deprivation.
    Don’t got it.
    Don’t need it.
    Tool overuse ain’t a good thing.

    Don’t be obsessed with using your tools.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    It’s getting old.
    You got that right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Don’t be obsessed with using your tools.....
    Well that's too damn late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Yup. I don't carry a tub of hot water around in my car. I have DIY sanitizer in a bottle in each car, I use it before (for others) & after (for me) handing my payment card to the vendor, pumping gas, etc. Hands get washed at the first opportunity.
    Never got around to making my mobile hand washing station, or whatever I was calling it, lol!

    Almost out of the bottle of sanitizer I've had in my truck for a few years now. It's coming back online now, parents bought a big jug of it, I'll take a bit of theirs or find my own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    That's a ridiculous price for a 12-pack though.
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    Is Sierra Nevada even any good anymore?

    I drink teh Oskar Blues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Never got around to making my mobile hand washing station, or whatever I was calling it, lol!
    I am dissapoint. I'm constantly impressed by your perspicacity and ingenuity.

    Something like that makes a lot of sense for someone like you or DJ going around between job sites or suppliers.

    I ran out of aloe gel so I got a big bottle at Target the other day, but the shelves are still bare of isopropyl alcohol. I have a half pint of 91% left and a 4 oz. bottle of the DIY has lasted going on ~2 months now.

    At least T.P. isn't hard to find these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Is Sierra Nevada even any good anymore?

    I drink teh Oskar Blues.
    Yes, SN has lots of good stuff, still. Plus they are an awesome company.

    Oskar Blues is gut, 2. Their Pale Ale is one of my faves and I get it when I can (get it?).

    Chalk up another one for the “good guys over at Sierra Nevada” file, as the beloved Chico, CA brewery has found another way to help its local community—by dedicating its brewery lab toward the production of materials to aid in COVID-19 testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
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    Is it though? I mean 6-packs of good micros down here were going for $10 or more before the COVID dumpster fire started. Maybe that's not one of Sierra Nevada's better brews?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Is Sierra Nevada even any good anymore?

    I drink teh Oskar Blues.
    Beer is that of the individual taster. Everybody has a different taste. I’m not a huge beer drinker but when I do indulge I go for the darker beers. Breckenridge Brewery, Vanilla Porter is about the only one I ever really crave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Yes, SN has lots of good stuff.

    Oskar Blues is gut, 2. Their Pale Ale is one of my faves and I get it when I can (get it?).
    I like SN's Torpedo IPA among others. The Pale Ale is still good for an after-ride (or lawn-mowing) refreshment.

    Oskar Blues also FTW. One of my first favorites from a can.
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    I can count the amount of times I've used hand sanitizer on one finger. I once broke up with a girlfriend because she wouldn't stop using fabric softener. Triclosan is hella-toxic. I think after water the human body is something like 85% microbes. You're literally killing yourself. I just use urine, it's free and I make an endless supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Triclosan
    I thought that was recently banned?

    Edit: In hand sanitizers, apparently, but not everything.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2019080617473
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Is it though? I mean 6-packs of good micros down here were going for $10 or more before the COVID dumpster fire started. Maybe that's not one of Sierra Nevada's better brews?
    Probably not, because I like it a lot. One of my top 5s. If you like the hazy, juicy IPAs, you'll like this one, I garntee it.
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    Really any antifungal or bacterial though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Probably not, because I like it a lot. One of my top 5s. If you like the hazy, juicy IPAs, you'll like this one, I garntee it.
    You guys get Migration down there? Look for this one, it's solid.

    https://untappd.com/b/migration-brew...aze-ic/2653752

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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I am dissapoint. I'm constantly impressed by your perspicacity and ingenuity.

    Something like that makes a lot of sense for someone like you or DJ going around between job sites or suppliers.

    I ran out of aloe gel so I got a big bottle at Target the other day, but the shelves are still bare of isopropyl alcohol. I have a half pint of 91% left and a 4 oz. bottle of the DIY has lasted going on ~2 months now.

    At least T.P. isn't hard to find these days.
    We haven't had a lot of cases in my area, and I've been getting a little laxed, maybe too laxed. I just grabbed another gallon jug of Costco jalapenos that I just finished off out of the recycling can, now I have two in case I proceed with MHWS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Yes, SN has lots of good stuff, still. Plus they are an awesome company.

    Oskar Blues is gut, 2. Their Pale Ale is one of my faves and I get it when I can (get it?).

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/drink/...acture-materi/
    That's awesome!

    I once moved from SLT back down to SoCal with all my possessions packed in about a dozen Sierra Nevada Pale Ale boxes that had stacked up in my kitchen. That was at least 20yrs ago, and I think I had switched to something lighter/cheaper shortly after that, most likely Silver Soda.
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    If you like the hazy, juicy IPAs, you'll like this one, I garntee it.
    Sounds especially good this time of year. I'll keep an eye out!

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    Beer is that of the individual taster. Everybody has a different taste. I’m not a huge beer drinker but when I do indulge I go for the darker beers. Breckenridge Brewery, Vanilla Porter is about the only one I ever really crave.
    Vanilla Porter sounds like a meal in a bottle, no thanks!

    I dunno what it is, but I can't drink any craft beers out of bottles anymore, cans are where it's at for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Funny how when things are good it's referred to as "supply and demand" but when things are bad it's referred to as "price gouging".

    Yeah for the "free" economy.
    I hate all forms of price gouging. They built the new Atlanta Braves stadium about 5 miles from me and of course, they built a bunch of bars and restaurants surrounding it. But I have zero desire to go there due to the incredible price gouging just because it is close to the stadium. But I'm sure they rake in the dough from people willing to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Vanilla Porter sounds like a meal in a bottle, no thanks!
    Actually a dessert in a bottle.

    Ballast Point's Victory at Sea is probably my worst indulgence (but I only have one or two a year in the Fall).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Is Sierra Nevada even any good anymore?

    I drink teh Oskar Blues.
    Their pale ale seems weak now but is still good. Torpedo is good and still 9.99 a six pack, and I hoard Celebration ale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I thought that was recently banned?

    Edit: In hand sanitizers, apparently, but not everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Vanilla Porter sounds like a meal in a bottle, no thanks!

    I dunno what it is, but I can't drink any craft beers out of bottles anymore, cans are where it's at for me.
    I’d highly suggest trying it before you knock it. May be hard to find in your area though. I’ll ship you a bottle and get you hooked if finding it is a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Actually a dessert in a bottle.
    Your not helping it's case, that sounds even worse, lol!

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    I’d highly suggest trying it before you knock it.
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    I had a guy talk to me in a slow moving checkout lane in a Wally World late one night. Told me how he's a trucker and how much money he made driving construction supplies down south when Hurricane Katrina happened. Said they'd charge 3-4x markup just because there was a shortage, and because the govt or insurance companies wouldn't do anything about it. Seemed quite pleased with himself. Not sure why you'd introduce yourself that way unless you want someone to think you're a shit bird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Their pale ale seems weak now but is still good. Torpedo is good and still 9.99 a six pack, and I hoard Celebration ale.
    I really miss Mendocino Brewing Company. They rocked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I really miss Mendocino Brewing Company. They rocked!
    Bigger and better things coming out of Mendocino than beer

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    I practice price gouge immunity......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Vanilla Porter sounds like a meal in a bottle, no thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I’d highly suggest trying it before you knock it. May be hard to find in your area though. I’ll ship you a bottle and get you hooked if finding it is a problem.
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    Too late!
    You could try it and redeem yourself.

    Order some, you can thank me later: https://www.totalwine.com/beer/ale/p...ter/p/36535126
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    You could try it and redeem yourself.
    Wait, what?

    How 'bout I thank you now for not carrying on and we can be done with this nonsense!
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    The government says they will crack down on price gouging, well ya they will crack down on little tiny minnows and let the big fish get away with it. Thats just the way it is.

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    I gouged a price once, ruined the whole damn thing.

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    I guess price gouging doesn't apply to the makers of the EpiPen?

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    I've always thought that if I needed an EpiPen I'd make damn sure to use it before it was expired. Never really had more than one food allergy and that was from chicken fried steak at one place. No idea why. Went away with Benadryl. The cost of epinephrine, as is the cost of insulin, is the proverbial gun to the head. What? Are you not gonna pay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Train Wreck View Post
    I guess price gouging doesn't apply to the makers of the EpiPen?
    Thats because the ex CEO's father is a US Senator

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    How hot should water be to kill germs and viruses? Sounds painful to use water over 140 F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    If you like the hazy, juicy IPAs, you'll like this one, I garntee it.
    So I picked up a 12-pack at Shart & Final for $18.99, A 12er of Torpedo was $3.50 less, so the HLT must be a limited release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    IpaPen for me, plz.
    lolz!

    Anything's better than an EptPen*!




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    Medicines and prescriptions have lobbyists.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...ears-in-prison

    Martin Shkreli, the smirking “Pharma Bro” vilified for jacking up the price of a lifesaving drug Daraprim from $17.50 a tablet to $750 each, an increase of more than 4,000%.

    Though the government did go after him for monopoly price fixing because a generic version could have been made, except for blockage of prime ingredient.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/martin-...drug-daraprim/
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    Our state government is the best at price gouging. Registering an unregistered car, you have to "buy" the plates first. $47 for the standard yellow background, black lettering, $117 for white background and black writing. Exactly the same material, exactly the same size, just one has a yellow back ground and one has a white background. To rub salt into the wound, even if the car already had plates on it, you have to hand them in first before you can then "buy" the new ones, you can't just use the old plates no matter what condition they are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Our state government is the best at price gouging. Registering an unregistered car, you have to "buy" the plates first. $47 for the standard yellow background, black lettering, $117 for white background and black writing. Exactly the same material, exactly the same size, just one has a yellow back ground and one has a white background. To rub salt into the wound, even if the car already had plates on it, you have to hand them in first before you can then "buy" the new ones, you can't just use the old plates no matter what condition they are in.
    That is typical government BS for ya.
    I know one place that has 6 or 7 different license plates
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    plus another one
    Then you can get a customized license plate for $200 or $300

    But you can use the old plates, you can even use an historical plate if you so desire.
    Insurance companies want safety inspection for vehicles over 20 or 25 years old, so that saves $150 or $20 if you got a buddy with a mech lic #
    No smog emissions BS

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    Wait, what?

    How 'bout I thank you now for not carrying on and we can be done with this nonsense!
    Knock it without ever had tried it. Shameful! That’s like me and new geometry and tubeless tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    I really miss Mendocino Brewing Company. They rocked!
    They had a taphouse in Ukiah that rocked, with all their beers on tap, plus giant Costco-type hot dogs.

    I'd heard someone had bought the brewery and was planning to reopen it, but that was a while back. Hope it's still happening, Ukiah could really use the jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    They had a taphouse in Ukiah that rocked, with all their beers on tap, plus giant Costco-type hot dogs.

    I'd heard someone had bought the brewery and was planning to reopen it, but that was a while back. Hope it's still happening, Ukiah could reallye the jobs.
    I remember a discussion about that place in the NorCal forum awhile back. Photos and all, looked like a great place to spend some time. All good things come to an end I guess.
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    Price gouging is something I'm pretty familiar with since I live in a hurricane-prone state. However, I don't see anything about how much a price has to be raised on something for it to be considered price gouging.

    For example, I'm not hoarding by no means, but if I'm at the store and I see hand sanitizer, clorox/lysol wipes, or that type of stuff, I'm gonna buy one. I feel there will be a "second wave" of the virus. If I'm equipped and have extra, I feel like I could sell it for a MODEST profit. After all, if I was smart enough to buy it, and someone wasn't...

    Also, I can buy generators for a discount. I've never done this before, but I was thinking of buying a few and again, selling them at a MODEST profit if a hurricane comes. Once again, I laid out the money ahead of time and if you live around here and aren't smart enough to have a generator ahead of time...

    So, is either scenario price gouging and if not, how much mark up before it is in fact price gouging?
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    Throw in free hand sanitizer and T.P. with every purchase of a generator marked up 100% above MSRP.



    Joking aside, selling the generators at or slightly above/below their MSRP would hardly be seen as "price gouging" (IMHO) and might net you a tidy profit if your cost is well below that. Just one data point.
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    I think you just described capitalism/free enterprise. I believe in this system.

    From the socialist point of view, in the aftermath of a hurricane, and you're there running your house off the generator you have, and you have four others for sale while your neighbors are struggling with no power, you're an
    evil right wing pig since you should just give them a generator in their time of need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    I think you just described capitalism/free enterprise. I believe in this system.

    From the socialist point of view, in the aftermath of a hurricane, and you're there running your house off the generator you have, and you have four others for sale while your neighbors are struggling with no power, you're an
    evil right wing pig since you should just give them a generator in their time of need.
    Yeah this is simply an inaccurate representation of socialism. Not even making an ethical argument, but if that's what you think it is, then you simply don't know what socialism is, and that's ok, but you have to admit it now so you can learn better for later and stop fighting the straw man.

    A socialist state would care little about what you did with generators you owned, but there might be systems of equipment set aside in reserve to be distributed in times of need. There also might not be. There probably would be one that kinda sucked, but maybe helped some folks.
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    Obviously a huge grey area, one person's "slightly above" might be someone else's price gouging. But do we think differently if this profiteering leads to people dying? And are we saying Pharm Bro (and others) was ok in his huge mark-ups of critical medicines?

    In September 2015, Shkreli received widespread criticism when Turing obtained the manufacturing license for the antiparasitic drug Daraprim (Pyrimethamine) and raised its price by a factor of 56 (from US$13.5 to $750 per pill), leading him to be referred to by the media as "the most hated man in America" and "Pharma Bro".

    In India, over a dozen manufactures sell pyrimethamine tablets, and multiple combinations of generic pyrimethamine are available for a price ranging from US$0.04 to US$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).[42][43][44][45]

    In the UK, the same drug is available from GSK at a cost of US$20 (£13) for 30 tablets (about $0.66 each).[46]

    In Australia, the drug is available in most pharmacies at a cost of US$9.35 (A$12.99) for 50 tablets (around US$0.18 each).[47]

    In Brazil, the drug is available for R$0.07 a pill, or about US$0.02.[48]

    In Canada, the drug was reportedly discontinued in 2013, but hospitals may make the drug in-house when it is needed.[49] As of December 2015, Daraprim imported into Canada directly from GSK UK is available from an online pharmacy for US$2.20 per tablet.[50]

    In Switzerland, the drug is available for US$9.45 (CHF9.05) for 30 tablets (around US$0.32 a piece).[51]


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    Chaz, that example, to me, seems to fall under the "price gouging" category.
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    Well, here in my state, the price gouging that *used to* get the most play was when the price of gas doubled just after a hurricane. That doesn't really happen anymore because people know they will get hammered for that.

    I'm talking about if I try to sell a generator that I had the foresight to buy for say $350, and 6 months later after a storm hits I sell it for $450, is that price gouging?

    My original reply was about I tried to research if there was some set percentage, but all I found was "sold for more than a reasonable price" type definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGweed View Post
    I'm talking about if I try to sell a generator that I had the foresight to buy for say $350, and 6 months later after a storm hits I sell it for $450, is that price gouging?
    Since you said you'd buy it yourself at a discount, that price diff (again IMHO) seems pretty far off from gouging.

    Like chazpat said, it's a gray area which is exacerbated further by critical need vs. basic need vs. nice to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Obviously a huge grey area, one person's "slightly above" might be someone else's price gouging. But do we think differently if this profiteering leads to people dying? And are we saying Pharm Bro (and others) was ok in his huge mark-ups of critical medicines?

    In September 2015, Shkreli received widespread criticism when Turing obtained the manufacturing license for the antiparasitic drug Daraprim (Pyrimethamine) and raised its price by a factor of 56 (from US$13.5 to $750 per pill), leading him to be referred to by the media as "the most hated man in America" and "Pharma Bro".

    In India, over a dozen manufactures sell pyrimethamine tablets, and multiple combinations of generic pyrimethamine are available for a price ranging from US$0.04 to US$0.10 each (3–7 rupees).[42][43][44][45]

    In the UK, the same drug is available from GSK at a cost of US$20 (£13) for 30 tablets (about $0.66 each).[46]

    In Australia, the drug is available in most pharmacies at a cost of US$9.35 (A$12.99) for 50 tablets (around US$0.18 each).[47]

    In Brazil, the drug is available for R$0.07 a pill, or about US$0.02.[48]

    In Canada, the drug was reportedly discontinued in 2013, but hospitals may make the drug in-house when it is needed.[49] As of December 2015, Daraprim imported into Canada directly from GSK UK is available from an online pharmacy for US$2.20 per tablet.[50]

    In Switzerland, the drug is available for US$9.45 (CHF9.05) for 30 tablets (around US$0.32 a piece).[51]


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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Chaz, that example, to me, seems to fall under the "price gouging" category.
    Yeah, I guess enough people thought the same to make him "the most hated man in America"! But even at its original price it was price gouging compared to what they pay in other countries.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon Fat View Post
    If it was true capitalism, we would be able to buy the drugs from anywhere we want.
    Interesting take on it. NWO?

    But on the other hand, isn't doing whatever is necessary to protect your market often a part of capitalism as well?
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