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    How music used to be made..

    Today, it is amazing how common it has become for "musicians" to:

    1. Have their hit songs written for them
    2. Perform them in tiny bits and pieces over the course of many days, only to be masterfully placed together in unison for one song to be played on the radio
    3. Come concert night, the artist lip syncs to a song that they sorta sang at one point over the course of a few studio sessions...
    4. Etc..

    Watch this video. Interesting how acceptable this has become and open he is about this. I found it pretty interesting. I am sure most of you were already aware of this, but it might be worth a watch.

    http://nyti.ms/LGmpyg

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    Not to be "that guy." But how does this fit under the category of "Share your riding experiences." ? This would fit in much better in the Off Camber forum me thinks.

    Now back to the thread. It is kind of a shame that the "songs" you hear on the radio was probably never even played through as a whole by the band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorTC View Post
    Not to be "that guy." But how does this fit under the category of "Share your riding experiences." ?.
    "passion-washing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorTC View Post
    Not to be "that guy." But how does this fit under the category of "Share your riding experiences." ? This would fit in much better in the Off Camber forum me thinks..
    It's just plain rude and self centered to think your post is so important that it does not have to follow the posting guidelines. Try riding and then post about that.

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    There is flat out amazing music being made today. Its not on the radio. Stop focusing on the junk, theres really good stuff out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorTC View Post
    Not to be "that guy." But how does this fit under the category of "Share your riding experiences." ? This would fit in much better in the Off Camber forum me thinks.
    I have to agree.

    I guess that fits into the "just because you put the word passion on the end doesn't mean it fits in the passion forum Passion"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    It is amazing how common it has become for "musicians" to:

    1. Have their hit songs written for them
    2. Perform them in tiny bits and pieces over the course of many days, only to be masterfully placed together in unison for one song to be played on the radio
    3. Come concert night, the artist lip syncs to a song that they sorta sang at one point over the course of a few studio sessions...
    4. Etc..

    Watch this video. Interesting how acceptable this has become and open he is about this. I found it pretty interesting. I am sure most of you were already aware of this, but it might be worth a watch.

    http://nyti.ms/LGmpyg
    You forgot to add 'autotune' so they can sing in key
    No moss...

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    yep

    belongs in off camber forum. apologies everyone. i got thrown off by titles like "hot chicks everywhere" and "camping vehicles" etc.

    oops.

    i will return to the racer/weight weenie/dork forum where i belong now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    belongs in off camber forum. apologies everyone. i got thrown off by titles like "hot chicks everywhere" and "camping vehicles" etc.

    oops.

    i will return to the racer/weight weenie/dork forum where i belong now...



    Bullsh!t! No apologies. I enjoy your rather infrequent contributions outside of the XC forum. If some of these guy's had half the contributions to add they might have room to talk, until then. Back to the topic, adding Auto Tune to the list would round out the list nicely imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    It's just plain rude and self centered to think your post is so important that it does not have to follow the posting guidelines. Try riding and then post about that.
    Wow. Someone needs a nappy nap.. Now that is some serious passion about keeping the passion about passion passion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Pivot View Post
    There is flat out amazing music being made today. Its not on the radio. Stop focusing on the junk, theres really good stuff out there.
    Yes, people who truly have passion for music, know how to find it, and don't listen to classic rock stations or other sources playing music for the (lazy) masses. The passionate will spend time on Pitchfork, sifting through the many great new recordings by gifted artists, adding the top tracks to their hard drive collection.

    MTBR threads are constantly being recycled, asking riders what they listen to. People seem to want validation for listening to tired old music and fast loud metal. So sad.

    A man sat next to me at lunch last week and talked about his love of music. He studied music and got a degree in music. He said he couldn't live without it. I feel the same way about music, so I bit, and asked him to name his three favorite acts. All three were classic rock acts of the 70's. I named a dozen great new acts and he had never listened to them or even heard of them. Totally out of touch. MTBR music threads are similar. People in love with whatever they listened to their senior year of high school. Or riders who feel their extreme riding style requires them to listen to fast metal music.

    Woody Guthrie said the following;

    "The world is filled with people who are no longer needed-
    and who try to make slaves of all of us-
    and they have their music and we have ours-
    theirs, the wasted songs of a superstitious nightmare-
    and without their musical and ideological misscarriages to compare
    our song of freedom to,
    we'd not have any opposite to compare music with -
    and like the drifiting wind,
    hitting against no obstacle,
    we'd never know it's speed, it's power..."


    Great bands worth getting to know: Sixteen Horsepower, The Wedding Present, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Mazzy Star, The The, Slim Cessna's Auto Club, The Church, Cocteau Twins, New Order, Great Lake Swimmers, Elliott Brood, Arcade Fire, Galaxie 500, The Feelies, Replacements, Stone Roses, SianSPHERIC, Yo La Tengo, Mono, Mumford and Sons, Sigur Ros, Camera Obscura,Slobberbone, Beirut, Ravonettes, Blind Pilot, Okkervil River...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prodigal Son View Post
    Yes, people who truly have passion for music, know how to find it, and don't listen to classic rock stations or other sources playing music for the (lazy) masses. The passionate will spend time on Pitchfork, sifting through the many great new recordings by gifted artists, adding the top tracks to their hard drive collection.

    MTBR threads are constantly being recycled, asking riders what they listen to. People seem to want validation for listening to tired old music and fast loud metal. So sad.

    A man sat next to me at lunch last week and talked about his love of music. He studied music and got a degree in music. He said he couldn't live without it. I feel the same way about music, so I bit, and asked him to name his three favorite acts. All three were classic rock acts of the 70's. I named a dozen great new acts and he had never listened to them or even heard of them. Totally out of touch. MTBR music threads are similar. People in love with whatever they listened to their senior year of high school. Or riders who feel their extreme riding style requires them to listen to fast metal music.

    Woody Guthrie said the following;

    "The world is filled with people who are no longer needed-
    and who try to make slaves of all of us-
    and they have their music and we have ours-
    theirs, the wasted songs of a superstitious nightmare-
    and without their musical and ideological misscarriages to compare
    our song of freedom to,
    we'd not have any opposite to compare music with -
    and like the drifiting wind,
    hitting against no obstacle,
    we'd never know it's speed, it's power..."


    Great bands worth getting to know: Sixteen Horsepower, The Wedding Present, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Mazzy Star, The The, Slim Cessna's Auto Club, The Church, Cocteau Twins, New Order, Great Lake Swimmers, Elliott Brood, Arcade Fire, Galaxie 500, The Feelies, Replacements, Stone Roses, SianSPHERIC, Yo La Tengo, Mono, Mumford and Sons, Sigur Ros, Camera Obscura,Slobberbone, Beirut, Ravonettes, Blind Pilot, Okkervil River...
    Good post. I clearly understand that there is more than Bieber out there I guess I am just comparing what kids in the 70's (or before) grew up with vs. what kids are growing up with today.

    MOST of what kids like today is exactly what is depicted in that video. Their purchasing of said music validates it and fuels it growth and existence.

    No biggy...just kinda interesting is all..

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    This is a golden age for music. I don't care what you've loved, if you're not listening to loads of fascinating new music nowadays you're not trying. As for the way it used to be made, it still is. Because of the virtual death (no pun intended) of the CD bands who want a long and prosperous career have to tour. I've seen dozens of great bands over the last few years.

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    I do agree there is indeed some awesome new music being procudued these days....But I do know that its hard to imagine 40 years from now any 60+ year old people listening to Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, Brittney Spears or the Bieb.....Just saying

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    1. The Grateful Dead did not write a lot of their songs.
    2. Led Zepplin over laid extra guitar riffs on their tracks
    3. The Rolling Stones pre recorded their appearance on Ed Sullivan
    4. Etc....

    Yeah all of this is new for the music business.... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rack Man View Post
    I do agree there is indeed some awesome new music being procudued these days....But I do know that its hard to imagine 40 years from now any 60+ year old people listening to Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, Brittney Spears or the Bieb.....Just saying
    Dunno about that. I reckon Snoop might still be getting some love and, despite the rest of the polished turds in her catalogue, Britney's "Toxic" is a great pop song that'll probably outlast her.

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    So rydbyk sent me a PM

    Rydbyk sent me a PM making fun of the fact that I wear knee pads and he also suggested I post a "legitimate mtb photo." I'm fairly certain that out of the 7 billion people on the planet I am the only senior citizen with two artificial knees and a spinal cord implant that rides. So I'll wear whatever protection I think I need if it keeps me riding.

    Below is an example of my "novice behavior", ridden three times in the past two weeks. And as for posting a "legitimate mtb photo", where have you been? Few people on this site have more legitimate passion posts, each of which include dozens of photos, than me. You may have missed one of my hundreds of such posts because they were buried by all the non mountain biking crap posted here. Try something like this.

    So rydbyk how about giving us a legitimate passion post?

    <p align="center"><img border="4" src="https://arnica.csustan.edu/mtbike/Tahoe37/images/Tahoe-June-23-2012.jpg"><br>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    Rydbyk sent me a PM making fun of the fact that I wear knee pads and he also suggested I post a "legitimate mtb photo." I'm fairly certain that out of the 7 billion people on the planet I am the only senior citizen with two artificial knees and a spinal cord implant that rides. So I'll wear whatever protection I think I need if it keeps me riding.


    So rydbyk how about giving us a legitimate passion post?
    Quit being such a curmudgeon and a crybaby. You don't have anything to offer on a thread about music. Go cry elsewhere. And discussing PM's is low class.




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    Jazz - music invented by demons for the torture of imbeciles. - Henry Van Dyke

    It's a pity to shoot the pianist when the piano is out of tune. - Rene' Coty

    You have to begin by not discussing the merits of acts that are popular with the masses. Don't allow their names to leave your lips. it is time better spent pursuing brilliant music you must work to find.

    You may never acquire an encyclopedic knowledge of alternative music. It is noble to try, but not totally necessary. Just get started. Listen to Mumford and Sons. Listen to Cat Power cover; He was a friend of mine. Listen to The Dream Academy perform Indian Summer. Listen to Joy Division perform Atmosphere. Listen to the first two REM albums. Listen to some early albums of The Church. Listen to Cocteau Twins. Mazzy Star is touring again. Go see them.

    Make sure you have your hard drive filled with songs by Stone Roses, The Fall, Pale Saints, Paul Westerburg, English Beat, Chapterhouse, Japan, Lush, Sparklehorse, Hothouse Flowers, Morrissey, Section 25, Violent Femmes, Peter Murphy, Talk Talk, Everything But The Girl, Durutti Column, The Big Sound Authority, Woodentops, Big Country, Yaz, Shriekback, Bronski Beat, Romeo Void, Wolfgang Press, Swans, Killing Joke, The Teardrop Explodes, The Stockholm Monsters, Gene Loves Jezebel, Gang Of Four, China Crisis, Cornershop, Crime and the City Solution, Cowboy Junkies, The Cult, The Cure, Delgados, Divinyls, Catherine Wheel, Okkervil River, Mono, Cinerama,

    And why don't you own music by Sixteen Horsepower, or The Wedding Present or The The? It's amazing. And once you get on the right path, you can plug one of these bands into Pandora and it will find similar bands to listen to. But you have to take the first step. Turn off the classic rock station. Ignore what you hear playing at the fast food restaurant. Don't watch singers performing tired old covers on tv talent shows. Don't allow repeated music threads on MTBR to devolve into lists of washed up 70's acts currently making the rounds at Indian Casinos. Just say no to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prodigal Son View Post
    Yes, people who truly have passion for music, know how to find it, and don't listen to classic rock stations or other sources playing music for the (lazy) masses. The passionate will spend time on Pitchfork, sifting through the many great new recordings by gifted artists, adding the top tracks to their hard drive collection.

    MTBR threads are constantly being recycled, asking riders what they listen to. People seem to want validation for listening to tired old music and fast loud metal. So sad.

    A man sat next to me at lunch last week and talked about his love of music. He studied music and got a degree in music. He said he couldn't live without it. I feel the same way about music, so I bit, and asked him to name his three favorite acts. All three were classic rock acts of the 70's. I named a dozen great new acts and he had never listened to them or even heard of them. Totally out of touch. MTBR music threads are similar. People in love with whatever they listened to their senior year of high school. Or riders who feel their extreme riding style requires them to listen to fast metal music.

    Woody Guthrie said the following;

    "The world is filled with people who are no longer needed-
    and who try to make slaves of all of us-
    and they have their music and we have ours-
    theirs, the wasted songs of a superstitious nightmare-
    and without their musical and ideological misscarriages to compare
    our song of freedom to,
    we'd not have any opposite to compare music with -
    and like the drifiting wind,
    hitting against no obstacle,
    we'd never know it's speed, it's power..."


    Great bands worth getting to know: Sixteen Horsepower, The Wedding Present, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Mazzy Star, The The, Slim Cessna's Auto Club, The Church, Cocteau Twins, New Order, Great Lake Swimmers, Elliott Brood, Arcade Fire, Galaxie 500, The Feelies, Replacements, Stone Roses, SianSPHERIC, Yo La Tengo, Mono, Mumford and Sons, Sigur Ros, Camera Obscura,Slobberbone, Beirut, Ravonettes, Blind Pilot, Okkervil River...



    One's taste in music is subjective. I picked out a random song by 4 or 5 of the bands you listed as 'great' and personally thought it was mostly crap. But that's me. I like 70's prog rock bands, mainly because of the high level of musicianship.

    My great bands list would probably sound like crap to you.

    Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, Kansas, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, a little early Genesis and some newer prog rock & metal bands like Dream Theater, Opeth, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, and when Im really feeling out there The Bad Plus (jazz) and Old School Freight Train (bluegrass)
    No moss...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post
    Today, it is amazing how common it has become for "musicians" to:

    1. Have their hit songs written for them
    2. Perform them in tiny bits and pieces over the course of many days, only to be masterfully placed together in unison for one song to be played on the radio
    3. Come concert night, the artist lip syncs to a song that they sorta sang at one point over the course of a few studio sessions...
    4. Etc..

    Watch this video. Interesting how acceptable this has become and open he is about this. I found it pretty interesting. I am sure most of you were already aware of this, but it might be worth a watch.

    http://nyti.ms/LGmpyg

    *mods please move to "off camber" for appropriate viewing. apologies!
    No appology needed

    This is a great era to be a musician and make music. There are so many outlet to show your talent, via YouTube, Vimeo, etc. You can make money without even selling a single CD or song download but by selling ads. Talent competition shows help too.

    Back in the day, you have to rely on record companies to sign you and produce your materials which not always the case. Artists usually got signed and just sit and wait for the RC to come around and promote them in many case different style than they were discovered in order to "Sell the artist image".

    That said I've not heard a good piece of music in a while now, on the radio most stations still play songs from 80's and up. Popular songs nowadays are either over the top singing, or just hip hop/dance type. I'm not stuck in the 80s or 90s but many great songs of all genres are from the era as well as the classic of the 60s and 70s. It's a shame really with the available outlet I'd think there would be more quality music. Well that's my 2 cents

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    After watching the video I can't help thinking about when Tom Jones recorded Burning Down the House in duet with The Cardigans.

    First they tried setting up Tom and the singer from the Cardigans with two mics in the same room, to get that feeling of singing together. That didn't go well. The female singer from The Cardigans has this tiny little voice, almost a whisper, trying to sound sensual and Tom's big, powerful vocals totally dominated everything. The technicians simply couldn't amp up her mic enough while at the same time keeping it low enough for Tom not to completely overload it.

    So they ended up recording the two singers one at a time. Tom Jones went into the booth, did his bid in one take and left..

    I still get a laugh every time I hear the song THE CARDIGANS AND TOM JONES : BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE (reversed video) - YouTube he completely blows her away..

    I really miss the old days when a recording artist was someone who had been through years of crappy gigs, surviving a rotten economy, hauling gear in a crummy van, keep going despite it all out of pure love for the music. You just know that guys like Billy Joel, AC/DC, Elton John and so on had to fight to survive until they made it big and they only made it big because they stuck with it and had a talent that just couldn't be kept down. They didn't make it because they looked pretty in a tv show and got a lot of sms votes and facebook "likes", they made it because they produce real, quality music.

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    I don't give a toss if a band's "paid its dues". A great song's a great song whether it comes from some old stager who's been treading the boards for ever or it's been glued together by some kid using Cubase in his bedroom. The only difference is that it's much more likely to come from the kid. When was the last time Billy Joel, Elton John or AC/DC wrote a decent song? A decade ago? Longer? Ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    I don't give a toss if a band's "paid its dues". A great song's a great song
    +1

    people should be allowed to like what they like without suffering embarrassment or lectures from one genre snobs. great music is what it is, to whomever appreciates it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuffink View Post
    I don't give a toss if a band's "paid its dues". A great song's a great song whether it comes from some old stager who's been treading the boards for ever or it's been glued together by some kid using Cubase in his bedroom. The only difference is that it's much more likely to come from the kid. When was the last time Billy Joel, Elton John or AC/DC wrote a decent song? A decade ago? Longer? Ever?
    Well, I'm not going to make friends with this post, so here goes.

    You are all off by a few decades. The lists that earlier posters made included artists like The Replacements, Nick Cave, Joy Division, and REM. Those are a couple of decades in the past as of now. So much for 'new" music.

    Those other dinosaurs which you mentioned, (Billy Joel, etc.), have not done anything new since I was in high school. I am sincerely interested in recent artists. The only reason to listen to a band which paid dues is like REM. They honed their skills playing in little pizza joints across the south for several years while traveling in a rusty van. They got good on the road. I'd rather listen to a band with some live playing experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post

    That said I've not heard a good piece of music in a while now, on the radio most stations still play songs from 80's and up. Popular songs nowadays are either over the top singing, or just hip hop/dance type. I'm not stuck in the 80s or 90s but many great songs of all genres are from the era as well as the classic of the 60s and 70s. It's a shame really with the available outlet I'd think there would be more quality music. Well that's my 2 cents
    Let's look a little closer. You say you haven't heard a good piece of music in a while, then mention you've been listening to traditional radio stations. Do you think there may be a connection? What internet radio stations have you tried? What online music sites do you frequent and listen to samples of music on? What are the last three live shows you attended? Make sure you mention how long ago they were. What about music festivals, like South x Southwest. Have you ever been to Austin during SxSW? Close to 2500 acts from around the world. Every genre. You can listen to a song by most of the acts ahead of time and form a list of the acts you really want to see during the week in Austin. You would likely come away trying to get all of us to listen to the next great band that you got to see first. But please, give us some info by answering the above questions and maybe we can help you find the quality music you have not been able to locate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prodigal Son View Post
    Let's look a little closer. You say you haven't heard a good piece of music in a while, then mention you've been listening to traditional radio stations. Do you think there may be a connection? What internet radio stations have you tried? What online music sites do you frequent and listen to samples of music on? What are the last three live shows you attended? Make sure you mention how long ago they were. What about music festivals, like South x Southwest. Have you ever been to Austin during SxSW? Close to 2500 acts from around the world. Every genre. You can listen to a song by most of the acts ahead of time and form a list of the acts you really want to see during the week in Austin. You would likely come away trying to get all of us to listen to the next great band that you got to see first. But please, give us some info by answering the above questions and maybe we can help you find the quality music you have not been able to locate.
    IheartRadio, Pandora, iTunes, TuneinRadio as well as youtube. I have sat radio in my cars but I usually listen to my talk radio. At work we listen to some stations that plays pretty much current music pop/contempory. I just came back from Vegas and we saw Celine, O, and KA, they were all live music and they were great. 3 days in Vegas I've listened to many live bands they were great.

    Back at home I usually go to jazz club at least once a month, too many good ones to pick in Socal any style you want there's a jazz club for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffw-13 View Post
    One's taste in music is subjective. I picked out a random song by 4 or 5 of the bands you listed as 'great' and personally thought it was mostly crap. But that's me. I like 70's prog rock bands, mainly because of the high level of musicianship.

    My great bands list would probably sound like crap to you.

    Yes, Rush, Pink Floyd, Kansas, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, a little early Genesis and some newer prog rock & metal bands like Dream Theater, Opeth, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, and when Im really feeling out there The Bad Plus (jazz) and Old School Freight Train (bluegrass)
    I'm tempted to give you a pass if you tell me how much you like The Final Cut album, or The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking.

    One's taste in music is subjective. Sure. But if you have had nothing but a steady diet of fast-food music and Budweiser Beer to swill, you're brain may reject a gourmet meal and a $100 bottle of wine. Dust in the Wind has addled your brain and it may have caused irreparable damage. Jethro Tull? Yikes. The Hare That Lost It's Spectacles should have made you run as fast as you could in the opposite direction. Mood altering drugs will cloud people's judgment, no doubt. Jazz music? Really? I guess you could have said you have a huge collection of Reggae music, or as a club owner once described it; Third World Dixieland.

    Humor me. When was the last time you purchased music made in the last two decades? What was the last live show you saw? I grew up with your tired old music. I listened to Grand Funk Railroad and Deep Purple and saw ELP and The Eagles (before Joe Walsh joined them). It wasn't easy walking away from all of that rock music. Oh wait, yes it was easy. Very easy. Take advice from the movie, The Incredibles. "I Never look back, darling, it distracts from the now."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mimi1885 View Post
    IheartRadio, Pandora, iTunes, TuneinRadio as well as youtube. I have sat radio in my cars but I usually listen to my talk radio. At work we listen to some stations that plays pretty much current music pop/contempory. I just came back from Vegas and we saw Celine, O, and KA, they were all live music and they were great. 3 days in Vegas I've listened to many live bands they were great.

    Back at home I usually go to jazz club at least once a month, too many good ones to pick in Socal any style you want there's a jazz club for you
    How do you rate KA agaist O? I've seen Cirque shows dozens of times and KA was a disappointment. I felt O was spectacular. I refuse to repeat the name of the singer you were subjected to. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prodigal Son View Post
    How do you rate KA agaist O? I've seen Cirque shows dozens of times and KA was a disappointment. I felt O was spectacular. I refuse to repeat the name of the singer you were subjected to. Sorry.
    We sat next to the splash row all 3 shows(comp obviously) this is the 4th time I saw O it as still as awesome as the first time. KA is visually stunning and the music was great the vertical bullet time scene was great, you are right O is better but not as good as zumanity but that's another thread I guess.

    My wife want to see Celine so we went and it was awesome. The stage and music all good you should check it out.


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