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    Hard Hitting Question of the Week.

    Why is it so expensive to remove lactose from Milk?

    Locally 1 gallon of 1% milk is $1.79. A Half gallon of the same lactose free milk is $2.99. That's $6 per gallon or more than 3x the normal price.

    Why such a price jump?
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    it's not expensive. but we will charge you extra because you should be drinking water anyway

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    it is only expensive in logistics of extra tanks/storage/supply lines
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    $1.70 for a gallon?? Damn I'm moving!! $1.70 is not even one of the small tiny milk you get at McDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    $1.70 for a gallon?? Damn I'm moving!! $1.70 is not even one of the small tiny milk you get at McDs.
    Maybe you should find a new source for groceries...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1 View Post
    it's not expensive. but we will charge you extra because you should be drinking water anyway

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    it is only expensive in logistics of extra tanks/storage/supply lines
    considering the extra steps involved and the fact that the only people who buy it will be a subset of people who are lactose intolerant (not all who are lactose intolerant buy lactose-free milk), it's no surprise.

    I buy organic milk, anyway. I don't drink very much of it anymore, but I do cook with it. A couple dollars a month price difference barely registers for me, and buying the expensive milk helped me start drinking less of it simply from a calorie perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    considering the extra steps involved and the fact that the only people who buy it will be a subset of people who are lactose intolerant (not all who are lactose intolerant buy lactose-free milk), it's no surprise.
    That, plus a lot of people are taking the completely non-dairy option of plant-based milks -- additional options that drive down demand for lactose-free dairy milk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    That, plus a lot of people are taking the completely non-dairy option of plant-based milks -- additional options that drive down demand for lactose-free dairy milk.
    true. although, after trying a few of those, I'd honestly rather just drink water.

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    Simple, society is intolerant against lactose intolerant people so we penalize them.
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    Wut? Milk is $1.79? It’s $2.79 here. If you’re needing lactose free milk, check out Fairlife milk. It’s lactose free and had twice the protein. Costs a little more.

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    That's our hard hitting question of the week?! And you guys just go ahead and answer it like you aren't expecting more?! Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
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    Lactose free cows are like expensive, man.

    The only dairy, aside from cheese, that I consume anymore is goat milk kefir. I think it's about $6 a quart but last me for 7ish smoothies. With that I may or may not move to a nut based kefir.

    Once upon a time I LOVED milk... probably still do. Grew up poor with powdered milk, blech! Try that on your generic stale cornflakes, the definition of suck! Visiting my grandparents in Amish country PA and getting fresh unadulterated milk, the kind where the cream sits on top, oh man what a treat that was for me. Remember it like it was yesterday.
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    Hey, big dairy, what's with the crazy price hike anyway? I keep reading that the dairy industry is hurting, and likewise Almond milk and soy milk and coconut, rice, etc. are taking more of the market share. When the almond milk is priced at $1.99 per half gallon and non-lactose milk is $3, what would you buy?

    Kind of pricing yourself out of the market here. Bring the price down so it's at least inline with almond milk and I'll just buy the real stuff. Seems like a self inflicted wound.

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    That's our hard hitting question of the week?! And you guys just go ahead and answer it like you aren't expecting more?! Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Hey, big dairy, what's with the crazy price hike anyway? I keep reading that the dairy industry is hurting, and likewise Almond milk and soy milk and coconut, rice, etc. are taking more of the market share. When the almond milk is priced at $1.99 per half gallon and non-lactose milk is $3, what would you buy?

    Kind of pricing yourself out of the market here. Bring the price down so it's at least inline with almond milk and I'll just buy the real stuff. Seems like a self inflicted wound.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Buy a cow and be done with the BS. Just saying, there’s a solution to everything.
    How much for a lactose-free cow? Do they appreciate wall to wall carpeting? I know it would appreciate the crapper with a heated seat, super plush.
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    How the heck, or why the heck, did the human ear evolve to be the shape it is? I'm sure it has a lot to do with acoustics, but the shapes and layers don't make sense.

    Hard Hitting Question of the Week.-ear-2.jpg

    There's no way any sound is being bounced off of the lobe, so why is it there? And why is it a softer tissue than the rest? And why is there hair in my canal? And what's with the wax? What possible purpose does that serve?

    Cat ears make sense, it's just a big sound scooper. No funny levels or bulges, it's just an ear. Human ears evolved for a reason, but why so funny lookin?
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    At last, a question worthy of this sub-forum. I was about to go insane reading the mundane stuff posted here the last several months. Good job!!!

    What? Did you expect an answer? Dude, this thread is about hard hitting QUESTIONS. Glad to see y'all are still thinking.

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    Yo I thought milk was for babies.
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    The lobes are there for this



    Answered.

    Next question.

    Why no love for Sri Lanka? 320 dead, up to 60 arrested.

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    Too depressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    How the heck, or why the heck, did the human ear evolve to be the shape it is?
    I don't believe it did, I believe it was designed and the shape creates differences in the way sound is reflected into the ear canal that allow you to tell where a sound is coming from whatever the direction.

    Earwax forms a protective barrier for the very delicate tissue inside the ear. It also helps clean the ear as dirt sticks to in and is carried out of the ear with the wax.

    I assume the hair also helps keep rubbish out but why my body thinks I need much more protection than I did when I was younger I do not know :0(

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
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    Answered.

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    Why no love for Sri Lanka? 320 dead, up to 60 arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Must sleep on his back.
    If at all.

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    I reckon a factor in ear shape/evolution is bacteria and keeping critters out. The folds & such probably provide a home to a desirable microbiome which helps keep bad shit out. Most animals have those folds entering the ear. We had much bigger ears as little as 1-2 generations back and aliens just have slits.
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    Maybe they're just supposed to look funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post

    Next question.

    Why no love for Sri Lanka? 320 dead, up to 60 arrested.

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    It is odd so comparatively little was made of this horrific tragedy. A few tweets was all it warranted, I guess. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal-Cracker View Post
    It is odd so comparatively little was made of this horrific tragedy. A few tweets was all it warranted, I guess. Sad.

    I guess it's true: "Allahu akbar" is Arabic for "nothing to see here."



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    The answer to your question is simply Economics 101. The amount of demand for lactose free is inconsequential when compared to regular milk. Therefor there's a smaller supply (more overhead to create/deliver lactose free) and higher price. The pricing would probably be equal to regular milk if the demand was comparable.

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    Is discarding a banana peel out the window of a vehicle considered littering? It will become one with the earth in short order, is it still littering?
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    A gallon of scorpion milk is worth $39 million. I guess milking those suckers is quite lucrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    A gallon of scorpion milk is worth $39 million. I guess milking those suckers is quite lucrative.
    I didn't know scorpions had teats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    That, plus a lot of people are taking the completely non-dairy option of plant-based milks -- additional options that drive down demand for lactose-free dairy milk.
    A gallon of almond milk requires about 60 almonds to make. Each almond takes 5 gallons of water to make. Thus, each gallon of almond milk takes no less than 301 gallons of water to make and offers very little protein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Is discarding a banana peel out the window of a vehicle considered littering? It will become one with the earth in short order, is it still littering?
    In most places it is littering. I have been known to think of it as composting.

    In California only clear water and feathers from live birds is allowed to escape from a vehicle and not draw a citation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    In most places it is littering. I have been known to think of it as composting.

    In California only clear water and feathers from live birds is allowed to escape from a vehicle and not draw a citation.
    I wish those citations were given more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Is discarding a banana peel out the window of a vehicle considered littering? It will become one with the earth in short order, is it still littering?
    Don't panic, its organic.



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    A gallon of scorpion milk is worth $39 million. I guess milking those suckers is quite lucrative.
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    I didn't know scorpions had teats.
    Can you show me the teat on an almond or rice bran?

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    Yeah, banana peels are frickin dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    Can you show me the teat on an almond or rice bran?
    I would but this is a G-rated site.
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    Speaking of banana peels, how do you peel yours, like our ancestors still do or like the majority of the human race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    A gallon of scorpion milk is worth $39 million. I guess milking those suckers is quite lucrative.
    I wish I could buy it in pints...I only use it in my coffee sometimes and it always spoils on me. A gallon is just too much.
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    A gallon of milk in NZ costs $4.58US. ($1.50/litre NZ). Thanks to our monopoly global marketing corporation we pay more at home than customers in the UK pay buying our milk products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggis View Post
    A gallon of milk in NZ costs $4.58US. ($1.50/litre NZ). Thanks to our monopoly global marketing corporation we pay more at home than customers in the UK pay buying our milk products.
    The cost of milk here has been a real point of contention over the last few years. It dropped to $1 a litre during the "supermarket wars" in an attempt to draw in customers. At that price it is cheaper than many bottled waters which is just ridiculous. It was at a price where many dairy farmers where leaving the industry because it just wasn't profitable of family farmers. I refused to buy it at that price and chose to buy the "farmer direct" milk at $1.50 a litre. Thankfully public pressure has finally forced the supermarkets to put a "levy" on their $1 a litre stuff that goes directly to the farmers.

    Anyway this a hard hitting question thread so here goes, why do we, the consumer, allow corporate greed dictate what we buy so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    I wish I could buy it in pints...I only use it in my coffee sometimes and it always spoils on me. A gallon is just too much.
    Since children's dietary needs differ from an adult, a local elementary school has scorpion milk in half pint containers as part of their lunch program. I believe 'chocolate scorpion milk' is also an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coal-Cracker View Post
    Since children's dietary needs differ from an adult, a local elementary school has scorpion milk in half pint containers as part of their lunch program. I believe 'chocolate scorpion milk' is also an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Is discarding a banana peel out the window of a vehicle considered littering? It will become one with the earth in short order, is it still littering?
    The reason it’s illegal in my state is that it could lure animals onto the roadway for a lunch snack, only to meet their grisly demise while eating our crumbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
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    What I want to know is, what did he get the Guinness World Record in? Most holes in one's face? Biggest holes in one's ears? Most metal dude ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    What I want to know is, what did he get the Guinness World Record in? Most holes in one's face? Biggest holes in one's ears? Most metal dude ever?

    And what's he got looped on his head there, a sweat band holding on a bandage?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyAsheville View Post
    The reason it’s illegal in my state is that it could lure animals onto the roadway for a lunch snack, only to meet their grisly demise while eating our crumbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    A gallon of almond milk requires about 60 almonds to make. Each almond takes 5 gallons of water to make. Thus, each gallon of almond milk takes no less than 301 gallons of water to make and offers very little protein.
    And it takes 880 gallons of water to make a gallon of cow milk.

    Animal products are always worse for the planet than the product that replaces them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Cat people: What is it about cats that makes their owners weird?
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    Two words: Toxoplasma gondii
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    And it takes 880 gallons of water to make a gallon of cow milk.

    Animal products are always worse for the planet than the product that replaces them.
    That's why I advocate killing cows...grinding up the meat and putting it over a searing fire. That'll teachem'. Mmmm and it's tasty too.

    (Oh, its about 4.5 gallons of water per gallon of milk) https://www.dairyherd.com/article/wh...ater-goes-milk

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    (Oh, its about 4.5 gallons of water per gallon of milk) https://www.dairyherd.com/article/wh...ater-goes-milk
    LAMO!

    Your source is a dairy marketing website?!?!

    They obviously don't take into account the whole lifecycle of the cow and the water consumed by the crops it was fed.

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    Goes good with cheese.
    What does, cats? I would eat cats with no qualms whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    LAMO!

    Your source is a dairy marketing website?!?!

    They obviously don't take into account the whole lifecycle of the cow and the water consumed by the crops it was fed.
    Obviously.

    Fun fact, corn requires upwards of 1700 gallons of water per bushel, or approximately 56 pounds of corn. If the cows are fed 10 lbs of food per day on a dry matter basis, and the food is 35% dry matter, the cows are eating like 28 (10/0.35) lbs of corn silage. That's half a bushel, the product of more than 850 gallons of water. The average cow makes 6 to 7 gallons a day. That's about 120 gallons of water per gallon of milk, assuming a low estimate for water used in growing the corn and not accounting for what cows drink and water that they use or otherwise make unusable without treatment in a given day.

    That 60 gallons of water per gallon of almond milk sounds a little better, now.

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    What does, cats? I would eat cats with no qualms whatsoever.
    The Chinese place down the street does an awesome spicy Szechuan domestic short-hair.... not at all stringy like most places.
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    Cat people: What is it about cats that makes their owners weird?
    True story...my wife had an application rejected by the cat adoption people the same week we were licensed by the state of CT. to adopt Mojogirl.
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    The Chinese place down the street does an awesome spicy Szechuan domestic short-hair.... not at all stringy like most places.
    Seems like a very good use of cat. If it was legal to kill and eat cat we could get the numbers down dramatically.

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    In most places it is littering. I have been known to think of it as composting.

    In California only clear water and feathers from live birds is allowed to escape from a vehicle and not draw a citation.
    Snow coming off your roof gets you a ticket for an unsecured load in So Cal.
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    Snow coming off your roof gets you a ticket for an unsecured load in So Cal.
    Actually, it does in Scotland too, although I've never heard of anyone getting done for it.

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    Actually, it does in Scotland too, although I've never heard of anyone getting done for it.
    Pretty sure Vader just being sarcastic. I lived in Cali. and had many a snow chunk slide off my roof without hassle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    Obviously.

    Fun fact, corn requires upwards of 1700 gallons of water per bushel, or approximately 56 pounds of corn. If the cows are fed 10 lbs of food per day on a dry matter basis, and the food is 35% dry matter, the cows are eating like 28 (10/0.35) lbs of corn silage. That's half a bushel, the product of more than 850 gallons of water. The average cow makes 6 to 7 gallons a day. That's about 120 gallons of water per gallon of milk, assuming a low estimate for water used in growing the corn and not accounting for what cows drink and water that they use or otherwise make unusable without treatment in a given day.

    That 60 gallons of water per gallon of almond milk sounds a little better, now.

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    And this doesn't even take into account all the water used to grow feed that the cow ate before it was old enough to produce milk.

    Asking the dairy industry how many gallons of water it takes to produce a gallon of milk is like asking bill cosby how many women he raped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    And this doesn't even take into account all the water used to grow feed that the cow ate before it was old enough to produce milk.

    Asking the dairy industry how many gallons of water it takes to produce a gallon of milk is like asking bill cosby how many women he raped.
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    And this doesn't even take into account all the water used to grow feed that the cow ate before it was old enough to produce milk.

    Asking the dairy industry how many gallons of water it takes to produce a gallon of milk is like asking bill cosby how many women he raped.
    Top secret shit in the dairy industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Pretty sure Vader just being sarcastic. I lived in Cali. and had many a snow chunk slide off my roof without hassle.
    No, not joking. It's a problem here in the mountains with broken windshields. Locals are too lazy to knock the snow off their roofs, and tourists actually pile dirty snow on to their cars' roofs which is downright strange behavior. I knock the snow off mid storm. The last thing I want is snow ripping my wipers off. It's also a form of revenue in Taxifornia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    No, not joking. It's a problem here in the mountains with broken windshields.
    Say what? I've lived through numerous winters with well over 500" of snow and I have never had a windshield break due to snow on the car roof or heard of that happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Locals are too lazy to knock the snow off their roofs...
    M'eh, just punt the brakes and send it all the way over the hood to the ground.


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    tourists actually pile dirty snow on to their cars' roofs...
    Sure they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    Say what? I've lived through numerous winters with well over 500" of snow and I have never had a windshield break due to snow on the car roof or heard of that happening.



    M'eh, just punt the brakes and send it all the way over the hood to the ground.




    Sure they do.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Ql...ature=youtu.be

    It happens with the freeze frost cycles we have here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    Sure they do.
    They do, I seen it!

    People go up to the mountains from LA and want to see if they can bring snow back home, so they fill up their truck beds and pile it on their roofs.
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    So sad, so ridiculous. I was writing more, but that would have gone down the 'all organized religion is fukked up totally' path, which might not be allowed here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aglo View Post
    FIFY, you are welcome.
    They consumed toxoplasma gondii oocytes via infected produce or food, the parasite did what it does and made itself at home in their CNS and began pulling the strings, “yessssssss you want catssss, mooooooore catttttssssss” a la extended phenotype thereby providing great shag shacks for all of its brethren.

    In all seriousness, the studies conducted in mice are fascinating and demonstrate very real neurological effects translating into measurable behavioral modification as a result of infection. Granted mice are an intended intermediate host of the parasite with which it has co-evolved and human studies are problematic from an ethical and experimental design perspective; but even so, there are some human studies with statistically significant results suggesting correlational if not causitive findings regarding the effects of the parasite on the human neurology and subsequent behavior. The biggest problems I have with these studies supporting either the hypothesis or null hypothesis is sample size, unspecified parasite genotypic variability, and in some cases, subject immunological state, which I partially alluded to in mentioning experimental/ethical issues with studying this in humans.

    This all begs the follow-up to the hard hitting question: Did the crazy cat lady get a bunch of cats because she was inherently crazy or because a cat parasite from a cat she may or may not have owned initially made her crazy and less averse to things like the smell of cat urine (actually a real thing)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    Two words: Toxoplasma gondii

    I have never and never plan to own any cats.
    I was diagnosed with toxoplasmosis back in the day. It’s not something I can recommend. Contracted it from working in the yard on a hot day. Cat poop in the dirt. Not my cat. I do like to pick up kittens now and then for snacks for my German Shepherd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    but even so, there are some human studies with statistically significant results suggesting correlational if not causitive findings regarding the effects of the parasite on the human neurology and subsequent behavior.
    I've certainly read/heard about this.

    Oddly enough humans that have toxo in their system are less afraid of speed than other humans, motorcycle riders that are organ donors are far more likely to be infected with toxo than the population as a whole. From what I've read about it I'd wager that "extreme athletes" as a whole are far more likely to have toxo in them than the populace as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Ql...ature=youtu.be

    It happens with the freeze frost cycles we have here.
    No way that is a common occurrence, but yea, with a warm winter I can see the conditions being correct for that to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    They do, I seen it!

    People go up to the mountains from LA and want to see if they can bring snow back home, so they fill up their truck beds and pile it on their roofs.
    I'm sure this has happened, but how often does it actually happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    They consumed toxoplasma gondii oocytes via infected produce or food, the parasite did what it does and made itself at home in their CNS and began pulling the strings, “yessssssss you want catssss, mooooooore catttttssssss” a la extended phenotype thereby providing great shag shacks for all of its brethren.

    In all seriousness, the studies conducted in mice are fascinating and demonstrate very real neurological effects translating into measurable behavioral modification as a result of infection. Granted mice are an intended intermediate host of the parasite with which it has co-evolved and human studies are problematic from an ethical and experimental design perspective; but even so, there are some human studies with statistically significant results suggesting correlational if not causitive findings regarding the effects of the parasite on the human neurology and subsequent behavior. The biggest problems I have with these studies supporting either the hypothesis or null hypothesis is sample size, unspecified parasite genotypic variability, and in some cases, subject immunological state, which I partially alluded to in mentioning experimental/ethical issues with studying this in humans.

    This all begs the follow-up to the hard hitting question: Did the crazy cat lady get a bunch of cats because she was inherently crazy or because a cat parasite from a cat she may or may not have owned initially made her crazy and less averse to things like the smell of cat urine (actually a real thing)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    I've certainly read/heard about this.

    Oddly enough humans that have toxo in their system are less afraid of speed than other humans, motorcycle riders that are organ donors are far more likely to be infected with toxo than the population as a whole. From what I've read about it I'd wager that "extreme athletes" as a whole are far more likely to have toxo in them than the populace as a whole.
    I did not encounter these specific findings regarding speed and extreme athletes, but did find data suggesting a correlation between decreased “fear response” and infection in both mice and humans. The evolutionary advantage of which having to do with making the parasite’s intermediate host, mice, more susceptible predation by its definitive host, cats.

    Unfortunately, the studies I perused would suggest that it’s not all Dew tour and professional sports for those infected. Decreased motor function and response time are also symptoms correlatively associated with infection— and this makes sense, as a mouse that’s fearless, but also a little less coordinated and slower to react makes it easier prey for the parasite’s definitive host(s) which may include some other species, though cats appear to be predominate.

    To your point, by this loose correlative reasoning I’d wager motorcyclists that end up being organ donors may find themselves donating because they may be more susceptible to crashing as would be consistent with an inhibited fear response, slower reaction times, and inhibited motor function. I can’t comment on extreme athletes, but who knows. That being said, while riding the cutting edge of extreme sports, I think I’d take a bit more fear response to retain my reaction time and motor control lol .
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    I'd heard about wasps creating zombie spiders but just came across an article today on it:

    https://newatlas.com/zombie-spiders-...c-wasps/59476/
    Don’t even get me started lol. Hymenopterans have some of the most fascinating parisitic mechanisms and behaviors of the animal kingdom IMO. Also check out this Zombie-creating genus of fungi: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordyceps

    Edit: If you found your article interesting you may also find the following tricky wasp parasitism worth a look:
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2002...nt-against-ant

    That’s a very accessible article, if you’d like to see some denser journal-type material lmk .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    I did not encounter these specific findings regarding speed and extreme athletes...
    The speed/motorcycle thing was talked about on a joe rogan podcast (I think Joe organ is an idiot but he has smart people on every now and then), the guy being interview was talking about how he worked in a hospital and checked organ donors for blood borne diseases and the like before allocating the organs. His mentor who started at that position in the 1950s or so randomly mentioned that the majority of motorcycle rider cadavers had toxo in their system followed by discussion about how our behavior can be notably changed by seemingly harmless things like toxo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    No way that is a common occurrence, but yea, with a warm winter I can see the conditions being correct for that to happen.



    I'm sure this has happened, but how often does it actually happen?
    Every flatlander snow roach pulled off on the side of the highway playing in the dirty snow. The CHP gave up on parking tickets and had dumpsters set out. Flatlander trash is a huge issue here.

    About freeze thaw. In 15 minutes you can go from 5500' to 1000' and a 50* temp diff. It could snow three feet and mostly be melted off the next afternoon, then be in the teens later that night. This year was a weird mix of snow and rain and since January, this side of the So Cal mountains have received 54.38" of rain. That's what Seattle gets annually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Flatlander trash is a huge issue here.
    How are you so sure that none of the trash in the mountains is from mountain rednecks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    About freeze thaw. In 15 minutes you can go from 5500' to 1000' and a 50* temp diff. It could snow three feet and mostly be melted off the next afternoon, then be in the teens later that night. This year was a weird mix of snow and rain and since January, this side of the So Cal mountains have received 54.38" of rain. That's what Seattle gets annually.
    Heh, I've been a ski bum for 25 years now, I've spent time in the socal mountains, the norcal mountains, and a LOT Of time in the northern rockies, I'm well familiar with snow in all its forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Without cats you have rats. I like cats.
    There was a time it was illegal to put to sea without one.
    Winter is coming and our neighbours without cats are fending off field mice infestations. I like a rodent free house. Huntington’s anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Without cats you have rats. I like cats.
    But are they that effective at actually controlling rat populations? Or does their presence simply scare them into hiding so you don’t see them (this is my own speculation). Recent studies suggest that in many cases, they aren’t all that effective at control: see suggested reading below. The cost of potentially suboptimal or ineffective rodent control is a ton of collateral damage on the native fauna.

    IIRC, generally speaking, the rat species we typically think of as a “nuisance” are Old World rats and originated somewhere in Asia before being introduced to NA via ships from Europe/Asia. If one were to hyperbolically compare the impact of the arrival of humans from Europe and Asia to the many places they would colonize as the detonation of a WMD on the local flora and fauna, then the cats and rats they brought with them were surely a major component of the nuclear fallout that has persisted long after the initial blast or in some cases, long after humans left.

    To date domesticated cats are attributed with the extinction at least 63 other species and rats have wiped out countless native species in the environments to which they were introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggis View Post
    There was a time it was illegal to put to sea without one.
    Winter is coming and our neighbours without cats are fending off field mice infestations. I like a rodent free house. Huntington’s anyone?
    If it was once illegal to do so it could be argued that the law itself was an ecological crime. Though I will admit that on a ship with limited alternate food sources I’d imagine they’d be at least marginally more effective if we attribute merit to the findings in the suggested reading above.

    I may be totally missing something so I’ll ask: I am very interested to hear how rodent free house can reduce the risk of a hereditary genetic disorder?

    Rodents can be a vector for Hanta virus....

    For the record I don’t hate cats or anything. I don’t own them, I firmly believe it is irresponsible not to neuter them in most cases, and I absolutely do not support free ranging domestic cats (called “barn cats” in many locals) that wander about reproducing at will, causing wanton destruction on the local fauna, and potentially spreading a harmful parasite to others (like Jimmy a few posts up). Furthermore, I will emphasize that I think the introduction of rats was far more destructive as a whole and in some scenarios and environments cats do cut down their populations; however, I have to believe there are other potential solutions to rat control with fewer downsides.



    FWIW, I grew up in a rural area and we found non-feline, non-poisonous rodent control measures to be very effective and without all of the feline-associated collateral damage. Added bonus, reduced risk of contracting parasites that can infect the human CNS or kill your unborn child, woooh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    Without cats you have rats. I like cats.
    Yep, unfortunately less song birds as well. It’s a slippery slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    But are they that effective at actually controlling rat populations?

    My cat is, she's a rat killing machine and word in the rat community definitely gets around. Saves me money on cat food too.


    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Yep, unfortunately less song birds as well. It’s a slippery slope.

    I find it interesting how people are suddenly so concerned about birds whenever cats are mentioned. Here's some other things that kill birds that cats have nothing to do with-

    Building windows, cars, power lines, wind turbines, agricultural chemicals, air pollution, water pollution, people with guns, and the biggest killer of all, habitat loss due to development.

    Humans are far and away the most effective killers of all wildlife, birds included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post

    Humans are far and away the most effective killers of all wildlife, birds included.
    B - (H+C) < B - H

    Where B is the bird population and H is birds killed by humans and C is number of birds killed by cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    My cat is, she's a rat killing machine and word in the rat community definitely gets around. Saves me money on cat food too.





    I find it interesting how people are suddenly so concerned about birds whenever cats are mentioned. Here's some other things that kill birds that cats have nothing to do with-

    Building windows, cars, power lines, wind turbines, agricultural chemicals, air pollution, water pollution, people with guns, and the biggest killer of all, habitat loss due to development.

    Humans are far and away the most effective killers of all wildlife, birds included.
    Did I sound concerned? Just stating a fact. Cats kill song birds BIG TIME. The other things you mentioned do as well but the topic was on cats at the time.

    By the way I don’t hate cats. On the contrary I find them fascinating, hilarious at times and overall a pretty amazing critter.
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    No, not joking. It's a problem here in the mountains with broken windshields. Locals are too lazy to knock the snow off their roofs, and tourists actually pile dirty snow on to their cars' roofs which is downright strange behavior. I knock the snow off mid storm. The last thing I want is snow ripping my wipers off. It's also a form of revenue in Taxifornia.
    A big thing in California to do while in the mountains. Before heading back down is to pack your vehicle up with snow then drive down to the much warmer coast beach scene to show off. I never got the thrill but saw many do it.
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    Did I sound concerned? Just stating a fact.

    Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Weld View Post
    I find it interesting how people are suddenly so concerned about birds whenever cats are mentioned. Here's some other things that kill birds that cats have nothing to do with-

    Building windows, cars, power lines, wind turbines, agricultural chemicals, air pollution, water pollution, people with guns, and the biggest killer of all, habitat loss due to development.

    Humans are far and away the most effective killers of all wildlife, birds included.
    This coming from the guy that mocks people who make choices in their life to reduce their ecological footprint.

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    Without cats you have rats. I like cats.
    Many moons ago, the Pope hated cats and said they should be killed, lots of cats were killed, the rodent population then exploded, and 1/3rd of all the human on earth died from Bubonic Plague that was carried by fleas on rats and mice. The pope was an idiot for hating cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    A big thing in California to do while in the mountains. Before heading back down is to pack your vehicle up with snow then drive down to the much warmer coast beach scene to show off. I never got the thrill but saw many do it.
    Hmmm, in Wisconsin we remove snow from our cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    Many moons ago, the Pope hated cats and said they should be killed, lots of cats were killed, the rodent population then exploded, and 1/3rd of all the human on earth died from Bubonic Plague that was carried by fleas on rats and mice. The pope was an idiot for hating cats.
    Extrapolate what human population would be today without that "thinning of the herd". Now think of the species we blame for climate change... One might argue that we are better off than if the Pope went after rats.

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    Guys, seriously, knock this shit off. start your own thread or PM each other about the value of cats in society today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Guys, seriously, knock this shit off. start your own thread or PM each other about the value of cats in society today.
    Exactly, this needs to be limited to "Hard hitting questions of the week"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Exactly, this needs to be limited to "Hard hitting questions of the week"

    Mayo or Miracle Whip?, or is SRAM vs Shimano more appropriate? Discuss.
    If you prefer Miracle Whip then you can just go straight to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Guys, seriously, knock this shit off. start your own thread or PM each other about the value of cats in society today.
    No. :0)

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    Guys, seriously, knock this shit off. start your own thread or PM each other about the value of cats in society today.
    YEAH! Can you believe these animals, Onespeed? Overly opinionated savages ruining an otherwise good time.
    What idiot turned this lighthearted question into a debate in the first place? I mean, come on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Mayo or Miracle Whip?
    I limit my use of Miracle Whip to being conjoined with peanut butter on Hawaiian or sourdough bread.

    And a grilled cheese is better grilled in mayo than in butter.

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    I don't even know what's Miracle whip is, and I would never buy something with that name, so, mayonnaise. And I'm not even that of fan of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Hmmm, in Wisconsin we remove snow from our cars.
    But you also can’t be in the snow then on the beach amongst a pleathora of bikinis an hour later.

    Something about packing your vehicle full of snow then showing up at the beach in 80° temps.
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    I thought the plague from rat fleas was dismissed? Rats are actually very clean critters. The plague was spread along the silk road into Europe from fleas on the new found pet of guinea pigs.

    I'd much rather rely on a natural symbiosis/equilibrium of predator prey then some allusion of Ne'er-do-well feral cats. Unless you own a barn cat and are storing grain I think you're deluding yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    But you also can’t be in the snow then on the beach amongst a pleathora of bikinis an hour later.
    Jefe, what is a "pleathora?"

    Something about packing your vehicle full of snow then showing up at the beach in 80° temps.
    Bonus points for making a snowman there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    But you also can’t be in the snow then on the beach amongst a pleathora of bikinis an hour later.

    Something about packing your vehicle full of snow then showing up at the beach in 80° temps.
    Living on the Monterey Peninsula my wife often said "take me to the snow". After 18 years in Wisconsin she now knows to be careful what she asks for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shartist View Post
    I may be totally missing something so I’ll ask: I am very interested to hear how rodent free house can reduce the risk of a hereditary genetic disorder?

    Rodents can be a vector for Hanta virus....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Living on the Monterey Peninsula my wife often said "take me to the snow". After 18 years in Wisconsin she now knows to be careful what she asks for.
    Yup!
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    Alright, no posts in a week, just because we ain't talkin about cats? SAD.

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    Why do people drive so dang slow on Sunday?
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    .....Why do people drive so dang slow on Sunday?
    Because it's mostly old people on their weekly expeditions.
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    Here's a question: why do most people walk on the wrong side of the road?
    Bicycles don't have motors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    Here's a question: why do most people walk on the wrong side of the road?
    That is "what you are supposed to do". I'm not sure why walking is on the wrong side and biking is supposed to be on the right side.




    Around here people either drive 10 under or 10 over, uhh, dumbshits, how about we just drive at the speed limit?

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    Why do people jog in the bike lane when there is a perfectly good sidewalk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    Why do people jog in the bike lane when there is a perfectly good sidewalk?
    Yeah even worse is when people jog on the road next to the empty sidewalk. Gimme a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    I'm not sure why walking is on the wrong side and biking is supposed to be on the right side.
    So pedestrians can see approaching traffic, and because bicycles ARE traffic.


    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    Why do people jog in the bike lane when there is a perfectly good sidewalk?
    Asphalt is significantly easier on the body to run on than concrete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mileslong View Post
    Here's a question: why do most people walk on the wrong side of the road?
    That seems a little judgey. Walking against the direction of traffic is the generally accepted "correct" way so that you can see what the car passing closest to you is doing and potentially get out of the way of an erratic driver. (all good in theory)

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    Why do people drive with their "parking lights" on? If one is going to the trouble to turn lights on, it would seem logical to turn them all the way on. The conscious decision to just go half way is interesting. Parking lights work well to identify a car as "parked" to other drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    Why do people jog in the bike lane when there is a perfectly good sidewalk?
    I hear a similar thing about riding on the road when there is a MUT just off the roadway. Answer for semi-rural roads here: at 20-25mph a road bike is more of a hazard to people walking on the MUT than it is to the traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Why do people drive with their "parking lights" on? If one is going to the trouble to turn lights on, it would seem logical to turn them all the way on. The conscious decision to just go half way is interesting. Parking lights work well to identify a car as "parked" to other drivers.
    On some vehicles, the parking lights count as daytime running lights, like the non trd Tacoma's (I had one). You could turn on the amber lights and not dim your interior lights. If you go full lights on during the day, it's hard to read everything inside because the rest of the lights dim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    On some vehicles, the parking lights count as daytime running lights, like the non trd Tacoma's (I had one). You could turn on the amber lights and not dim your interior lights. If you go full lights on during the day, it's hard to read everything inside because the rest of the lights dim.

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    Interesting. In some states, such as California, it's illegal to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squeakymcgillicuddy View Post
    Asphalt is significantly easier on the body to run on than concrete.
    Yep, it may not seem like it but asphalt gives a lot more than concrete; concrete doesn't give much at all and is bad for your knees. But I almost always run on trails which give even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    A big thing in California to do while in the mountains. Before heading back down is to pack your vehicle up with snow then drive down to the much warmer coast beach scene to show off. I never got the thrill but saw many do it.
    It's kinda like an acceptable alternative to strapping a deer carcass to your hood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Why do people drive with their "parking lights" on?
    They want attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Why do people drive with their "parking lights" on? If one is going to the trouble to turn lights on, it would seem logical to turn them all the way on. The conscious decision to just go half way is interesting. Parking lights work well to identify a car as "parked" to other drivers.
    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    On some vehicles, the parking lights count as daytime running lights, like the non trd Tacoma's (I had one). You could turn on the amber lights and not dim your interior lights. If you go full lights on during the day, it's hard to read everything inside because the rest of the lights dim.

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    I have a TRD Tacoma that when the headlights are off the amber “day time running lights” automatically stay on, no way to turn them off. Although when you turn the headlights on the amber lights turn off. Not all TRD Tacoma’s have this feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I have a TRD Tacoma that when the headlights are off the amber “day time running lights” automatically stay on, no way to turn them off.
    Submerge the vehicle in water, preferably salt water, for 45 minutes, and the lights will turn off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    Submerge the vehicle in water, preferably salt water, for 45 minutes, and the lights will turn off.
    I bet 5 minutes would be sufficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    That seems a little judgey. Walking against the direction of traffic is the generally accepted "correct" way so that you can see what the car passing closest to you is doing and potentially get out of the way of an erratic driver. (all good in theory)
    Not judgey, I know the laws and always walk and bike on the correct side of the road, pisses me off when idiots with their double wide strollers and uncontrolled dogs force me to accommodate their ignorance. Judgey would be that people that stupid should prohibited from reproducing.

    P.S. Every state in union requires that you walk on the left hand side of the road if there is no side walk present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    I have a TRD Tacoma that when the headlights are off the amber “day time running lights” automatically stay on, no way to turn them off. Although when you turn the headlights on the amber lights turn off. Not all TRD Tacoma’s have this feature.
    Second gen is like this. 3rd gen have the led strips for the trd models. Sr5 has the amber lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    Submerge the vehicle in water, preferably salt water, for 45 minutes, and the lights will turn off.
    If you are strapped for time, 30# of Tannerite will work too.

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    I use the fog lights on my '05 Wrangler as "daytime running lights." The instrument panel illumination comes on but there's nothing to dim like on more modern vehicles.
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    Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near? And why do stars fall down from the sky, every time you walk by?
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    dang! My wife hacked my computer!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
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    Chernobyl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    Second gen is like this. 3rd gen have the led strips for the trd models. Sr5 has the amber lights.

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    dang! My wife hacked my computer!!!
    Appears your wife is a bit flirty.
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    I have never been able to understand why joggers are in the road, either in the neighborhood or main street thoroughfare. Use the sidewalk or find a multi use trail.

    More frustrating is seeing people walking in the road during the winter months instead of using the sidewalk. The usual excuse is that the sidewalk is icy/slippery. Well guess what, so the is the road and additionally there are several ton vehicles rolling around on the road as well that could slip and take you out. So the question I pose is, would you prefer a bruised bum and ego or take a chance at getting run over?

    I also don't walk in the wrong direction on the road. I know that used to be taught and the theory behind it. However, all that has done is led to more confusion on the roads. If you are walking along a road without a sidewalk, use the grass when a car approaches and travel in the same direction.

    Sure pedestrians have the right of way based on vulnerability, but I'll compromise and be alive instead of challenge the authority of the automobile on the road.

    I remember once having to move the left side of a trail as a couple of talkative ladies were on the right side (their left) heading towards me. As I went past I casually mentioned we were not currently in England. They did NOT care for the comment. It may have been July 4th weekend as well.
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    What kind of activity are we talking about?
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    What kind of activity are we talking about?
    Stuff humans do.
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    Ok, what about stuff humans do for animals or plants? Should that be taken into account?

    Should it be exclusively stuff humans do for themselves or other humans?

    I think we should define some variables.
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    So it’s raining pretty good today. Just saw a crew of lawn maintenance guys mowing the lawn at a grocery store, why?

    1] Desperate for money.

    2] Is scheduling that tight and they don’t want to be set back.

    3] All of the above.

    4] None of the above but some other reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Ok, what about stuff humans do for animals or plants? Should that be taken into account?

    Should it be exclusively stuff humans do for themselves or other humans?

    I think we should define some variables.
    I'm talking about everything, are we as humans accelerating global warming?
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    I don't know. When was the last time you used it?

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    I don't know. When was the last time you used it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    I have never been able to understand why joggers are in the road, either in the neighborhood or main street thoroughfare. Use the sidewalk or find a multi use trail.

    More frustrating is seeing people walking in the road during the winter months instead of using the sidewalk. The usual excuse is that the sidewalk is icy/slippery. Well guess what, so the is the road and additionally there are several ton vehicles rolling around on the road as well that could slip and take you out. So the question I pose is, would you prefer a bruised bum and ego or take a chance at getting run over?

    I also don't walk in the wrong direction on the road. I know that used to be taught and the theory behind it. However, all that has done is led to more confusion on the roads. If you are walking along a road without a sidewalk, use the grass when a car approaches and travel in the same direction.

    Sure pedestrians have the right of way based on vulnerability, but I'll compromise and be alive instead of challenge the authority of the automobile on the road.

    I remember once having to move the left side of a trail as a couple of talkative ladies were on the right side (their left) heading towards me. As I went past I casually mentioned we were not currently in England. They did NOT care for the comment. It may have been July 4th weekend as well.
    I'll run in the road if it's through a neighborhood with very little to no traffic. If it's a busy road, I'm on the sidewalk, no way I'd run in the road. But as I mentioned, I'm normally on a trail.

    It used to drive me crazy, my old neighborhood had sidewalks and it seemed most people would walk in the road, and usually not icy around me. I think some of it may have been cultural, it was a very diverse neighborhood with people from all over and maybe it was just what they were used to (?)

    People who can't figure out how to use a mutiuse path drive me crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    I'll run in the road if it's through a neighborhood with very little to no traffic. If it's a busy road, I'm on the sidewalk, no way I'd run in the road. But as I mentioned, I'm normally on a trail.

    It used to drive me crazy, my old neighborhood had sidewalks and it seemed most people would walk in the road, and usually not icy around me. I think some of it may have been cultural, it was a very diverse neighborhood with people from all over and maybe it was just what they were used to (?)

    People who can't figure out how to use a mutiuse path drive me crazy.
    Never any ice here in Tucson, and yet I sometimes find hikers coming at me down the asphalt when there is a 10' hiking trail right alongside. I have had people look at me approaching them, then not move out of the way even tho they can see that cars are passing me by and I have to slow or stop or take my chance pulling out into traffic to go by them. It would be so easy for them to simply step onto the curb for a moment, but oh no! Those bastards just keep on comin' and I have had to actually stop to wait when traffic was too heavy. <rant rant>... Last time I got pissed and kept going myself. A little game of chicken, and the dude coming at me jumped out of the way at the last minute... heheh! He was shouting and screaming at me... oh dear, remorse was nowhere to be found.
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    I think people get a herd mentality thing going, "we're a big group so we get lots of room" kind of thing. I remember once I was trail running and had a big group headed toward me, spread out across the whole trail. I'm running to the far right trying to get around them and I'm about to collide with some dude despite him having plenty of time to see me and move over. He's just like a deer in the headlights, didn't seem to occur to him that he needed to give me any room or that his group didn't get the whole trail for themselves. I think I probably got a little bit of shoulder into him when we passed. Yesterday I was mountain biking on some trails where mountain bikes have the right of way and came up on a group of 4 lady trail runners. Three went to my left and one cuts over to my right but it wasn't all that wide, I still slowed way down to go between them.
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    Chaz, don't you love it when you yell, "On YOUR LEFT!" and they scatter left, right into your path?!

    It might be better if they froze like scared goats. Then you could bunny hop over them. Good way to sharpen the skill set.

    As for roadway entitlement? I have no idea, explanation, or inkling of a thought what the herd or a single cow are so confused about.

    For example if I say stay to the right, someone will inevitably ask if they can be on the left. WTF
    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    Chaz, don't you love it when you yell, "On YOUR LEFT!" and they scatter left, right into your path?!

    It might be better if they froze like scared goats. Then you could bunny hop over them. Good way to sharpen the skill set.

    As for roadway entitlement? I have no idea, explanation, or inkling of a thought what the herd or a single cow are so confused about.

    For example if I say stay to the right, someone will inevitably ask if they can be on the left. WTF
    It’s inevitable that no matter what side you tell them you are on they automatically go to that side.
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    Just say/yell: Coming up behind you! and let them decide which side to move to.
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    I was riding a couple of weeks ago and came up on a fallen tree across the trail. There was a guy climbing over it lugging his bike, the tree was about 30" off the ground and his buddy had already cleared it. I came flying up and yelled "look out, bunny hop!"

    They didn't fall for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
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    Short sleeve is a lower case t-shirt
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    It’s inevitable that no matter what side you tell them you are on they automatically go to that side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Perhaps when approaching just say "On your other left".
    In my experience, when you're riding on the greenway and you wind up behind 2 or more walkers, when you say "on your left", the person on the left will drift to the left, the person on the right may drift to the right, and the person in the middle (if there is one) is a wildcard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Perhaps when approaching just say "On your other left".
    That’s what I’m talking about. “On your left” and their quick reaction is to move to the left instead of to the right, the word left or right sends them In that direction as a reflex.
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    That’s what I’m talking about. “On your left” and their quick reaction is to move to the left instead of to the right, the word left or right sends them In that direction as a reflex.
    Just yell out STRAVA

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    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    I don't know why,... it's just MUSS easier to pedal than the other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueCheesehead View Post
    Perhaps when approaching just say "On your other left".
    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    In my experience, when you're riding on the greenway and you wind up behind 2 or more walkers, when you say "on your left", the person on the left will drift to the left, the person on the right may drift to the right, and the person in the middle (if there is one) is a wildcard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    That’s what I’m talking about. “On your left” and their quick reaction is to move to the left instead of to the right, the word left or right sends them In that direction as a reflex.
    I already discussed this with Chaz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    “On your left” and their quick reaction is to move to the left instead of to the right, the word left or right sends them In that direction as a reflex.
    Over the years I've found the best tactic is to shout 'coming through' as early and loudly as possible. A bell is too quiet. Shouting works from further away and lets them know exactly what is going on.

    Peds and dog walkers on a shared use path are often clueless. Best just to give them as much time as you can and see what they actually do. Maybe left, maybe split. With some of these morons you could tell them a week in advance and they'd still feck it up so big shout and aim for the place they choose not to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pig View Post
    Over the years I've found the best tactic is to shout 'coming through' as early and loudly as possible. A bell is too quiet. Shouting works from further away and lets them know exactly what is going on.

    Peds and dog walkers on a shared use path are often clueless. Best just to give them as much time as you can and see what they actually do. Maybe left, maybe split. With some of these morons you could tell them a week in advance and they'd still feck it up so big shout and aim for the place they choose not to be.
    One time on a paved greenway, I had a dude refuse to move. He stepped intentionally into the way and forced me off of the path then yelled out "asshole" at me. I stopped and said he was one for blocking me. He said that walkers had the right of way and that if I hit him it's my fault regardless. Some people just want to be the victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    One time on a paved greenway, I had a dude refuse to move. He stepped intentionally into the way and forced me off of the path then yelled out "asshole" at me. I stopped and said he was one for blocking me. He said that walkers had the right of way and that if I hit him it's my fault regardless. Some people just want to be the victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    One time on a paved greenway, I had a dude refuse to move. He stepped intentionally into the way and forced me off of the path then yelled out "asshole" at me. I stopped and said he was one for blocking me. He said that walkers had the right of way and that if I hit him it's my fault regardless. Some people just want to be the victim.

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    Why do people jog in the bike lane when there is a perfectly good sidewalk?
    Asphalt is easier on the knees- it's a bit softer than cement.

    Why do people drive on the parkway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    That’s what I’m talking about. “On your left” and their quick reaction is to move to the left instead of to the right, the word left or right sends them In that direction as a reflex.
    Yeah, I can see that happening.

    It's probably better to say - "Stay Where you are !"

    I would also add; " and put your hands UP !" just for fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drwx View Post
    He said that walkers had the right of way and that if I hit him it's my fault regardless.
    I don't use the cycle track any more. It's right next to my house but there are far too many dog walkers and general peds on it for cycling on. They don't seem to get that the clue is in the name.

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    Watts it like?

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    Cold, wet and frightening.

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    Why can I listen to A Perfect Circle through streaming services (specifically Pandora) but not Tool??????!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Why is it OK for one but not the other? Huh Maynard??

    I feel like we're getting the short end of the stick here. I call BS.
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    Not at all Finch, great pop duo...
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