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    Driving on the shoulder

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    That's not a Texas thing, that's an "IDIOT" thing. Strange to watch for me, with all the lane splitting, which isn't legal in Texas. I guess box drivers get used to it after a while.

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    You can always tell a Texan.....you just can't tell them much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    You can always tell a Texan.....you just can't tell them much.
    You must have met LTZ in the ebike forum, lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    You must have met LTZ in the ebike forum, lol!
    Actually I checked it out for the first and last time this morning.

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    That guy is doing a lot of risky things on his motorbike going between cars in adjacent lanes. I guess that's how they do it in California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    Actually I checked it out for the first and last time this morning.
    I wish I would have done the same the first time I looked...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_BC View Post
    That guy is doing a lot of risky things on his motorbike going between cars in adjacent lanes. I guess that's how they do it in California?
    What you did there, I see it.

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    LOL @ Puddles.

    Oh...and if any of that video depicts a clear view of the plate on that Dodge, I'd be visiting a local CHP office to show and leave the video with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oh My Sack! View Post
    Oh...and if any of that video depicts a clear view of the plate on that Dodge, I'd be visiting a local CHP office to show and leave the video with them.
    Yeah, except for the part where it says "I'm doing 80 so the truck must be doing at least 90"
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    Klurejr, this was you in the video on the bike, right? I'll have to wait until later to view it. It won't load on my cell phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Yeah, except for the part where it says "I'm doing 80 so the truck must be doing at least 90"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_BC View Post
    That guy is doing a lot of risky things on his motorbike going between cars in adjacent lanes. I guess that's how they do it in California?
    Lane splitting in California is legal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloMike View Post
    Lane splitting in California is legal.


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    @80mph?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloMike View Post
    Lane splitting in California is legal.


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    Always has been for motorcycles. The left coast sets the trends for the rest of you.


    Klure, he was obviously a jackass and saw you splitting the lanes. He's obviously not aware of lane splitting being legal in California for MOTORCYCLES. I'd highly recommend you turn over that video to the CHP. Even though you were going 80 MPH at one point, even if they do ticket you [which I doubt they will] it would be worth it just so the jackass gets what's coming to him, hopefully before he kills others.

    Oh, and thanks for the memories of that stretch of I-5, I know it well.
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    What was that @ 2:05 ? Going in between 2 cars at 80mph? If you're going to call someone out for being reckless, don't be reckless yourself.

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    Maybe since I live in the southeast things are different, but 80mph on the interstate doesn't even get a second look from FHP or GSP.


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    On I5, with a 70 mph speed limit, 80 is typical. Lane splitting with a speed differential of 5 mph or less is legal in CA.

    I drove from Norcal to Socal last weekend and had the cruise control set at 88mph (trying to time travel) for a long way in the middle of nowhere Central Cal. That was the speed of traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcd46 View Post
    Driving in SoCal blows!
    I'll take driving in SoCal over driving in Texas any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cornfield View Post
    i'll take socal over texas any day.
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    I think he got pissed that you were lane sharing, which is legal in CA. So he decided to "get even" with you. A Texas-Sized Idiot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    I think he got pissed that you were lane sharing, which is legal in CA. So he decided to "get even" with you. A Texas-Sized Idiot.


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    And I know that stretch of I-5 well. The traffic can be cruising at 70-80 and all of a sudden come to a dead stop. This guy needs to be turned in and forced back to Texas before he kills someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    And I know that stretch of I-5 well. The traffic can be cruising at 70-80 and all of a sudden come to a dead stop. This guy needs to be turned in and forced back to Texas before he kills someone.
    Agreed..

    When i first moved to SD, way back when, I was on the 805 and motorcycles came screeching by me, between me and other cars. I was really shocked at first, but I didn't haul after them to get even. I told my coworkers about it and they just laughed and told me about lane sharing. It took me about 1-2 weeks to get used to it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    And I know that stretch of I-5 well. The traffic can be cruising at 70-80 and all of a sudden come to a dead stop. This guy needs to be turned in and forced back to Texas before he kills someone.
    Send 'im back to Texas where he belongs! lol
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    I was walking home from work and yesterday waiting for a break in traffic to cross this busy road. This guy tried passing a car on the shoulder of the road (state hwy) and I started backing up into a ditch. The guy slammed on his brakes, got back into the lane, and flipped me off while mouthing the words that the gesture means to me.

    I don't think the dude sitting on the corner waiting for traffic to clear was the jerk in that situation. This is Indiana, so Texas doesn't have a monopoly on stupid drivers. Hell, they ain't even got the monopoly on stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Send 'im back to Texas where he belongs! lol
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    Agreed..

    When i first moved to SD, way back when, I was on the 805 and motorcycles came screeching by me, between me and other cars. I was really shocked at first, but I didn't haul after them to get even. I told my coworkers about it and they just laughed and told me about lane sharing. It took me about 1-2 weeks to get used to it.


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    I don't think you ever get used to it. I was there for 25 years and bikes flying by in between you and another car, unless you see them coming through your mirror they can scare the hell out of you. During rush hour when vehicles are going 60 mph to a dead stop up and down. The smart bikers pull in their clutch and rev their motors as they come up along side. A warning to let you know they are there and passing. The loud Harley's and crotch rockets with pipes are heard before you see them. It's the quiet bikes that can really catch you off guard.
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    Lane splitting may be legal, but you must put a lot of trust in your fellow freeway compadres to not ruin your day.

    And anyway, why would you want to catch back up alongside the nutcase truck driver?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Lane splitting may be legal, but you must put a lot of trust in your fellow freeway compadres to not ruin your day.
    This is true. Whether or not it is legal is irrelevant. You have to have a lot of trust in other drivers to pay attention to do that. Knowing how easy it is to get a driver's license, I could never do that.

    The other end of the stick is that, when I am driving my truck, I see all of these signs that say "start seeing motorcycles" and at first I'm always like "hell ya, these are people who have a right to use the road". But then I usually encounter some yahoo on a motorcycle who both behaves in an unpredictable manner and drives in such a way as not to be seen easily. Take what you want from that, I have my cell phone off and no radio so the only thing I have to do is watch the road. Also, bikers really don't give a shit about sharing the road, because I have been harassed by bikers while bicycle commuting. In that case, I say "f*ck 'em".
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    Lol. That's nothing. You west coasters should try driving in ny, nj.

    For that matter, Other parts of the world make USA driving look completely civil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Lol. That's nothing. You west coasters should try driving in ny, nj.

    For that matter, Other parts of the world make USA driving look completely civil.
    First time i drove in Guadalajara, i had to stop using my turn signal, just to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaloKera View Post
    First time i drove in Guadalajara, i had to stop using my turn signal, just to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloMike View Post
    Lane splitting in California is legal.
    at gridlock or mundane speeds below normal flow yes but once traffic is moving close to or within the posted limits.... good for the splitter and those around.

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    @80mph?
    exactly......common sense need apply here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Lol. That's nothing. You west coasters should try driving in ny, nj.
    been there did that, yes it takes it to another level but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. traffic enforcement turns an eye to such antics behind the wheel sadly.

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    Lane splitting is perfectly safe as long as the guy doing it isn't an idiot. People ride way too fast, there is no way a motorcycle can stop in time just doesn't work that way.

    Lane-splitting is definitely safer especially these days with people who can't put their cell phone down. I really don't need to get rear ended buy some a-hole who needs to send an email while sitting in traffic on the freeway.

    They're about to release the rules for lane splitting making it officially legal.
    Rule number one no more than 10 miles an hour above the speed of traffic, lane splitting should be only between the number one and number two lane.

    That's pretty much it I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    This was interesting this afternoon.....
    two asshats together, perhaps they should pass the doob. neither one in this scenario displays any good driving habits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaloKera View Post
    First time i drove in Guadalajara, i had to stop using my turn signal, just to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post
    at gridlock or mundane speeds below normal flow yes but once traffic is moving close to or within the posted limits.... good for the splitter and those around.



    exactly......common sense need apply here.
    driving dangerously is a problem regardless of speed but more of a problem at excessive speed. Lane sharing works well at highway speeds, it is much safer for the motos than being grouped w/n traffic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    On I5, with a 70 mph speed limit, 80 is typical. Lane splitting with a speed differential of 5 mph or less is legal in CA.

    I drove from Norcal to Socal last weekend and had the cruise control set at 88mph (trying to time travel) for a long way in the middle of nowhere Central Cal. That was the speed of traffic.
    I didn't know Yugos could go that fast.
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    That guy definitely needs his license revoked. Thank goodness he didn't make a move toward you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    I didn't know Yugos could go that fast.
    The Yugo is an under rated vehicle. Sure it's ugly, but it makes up for it by being super unreliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    driving dangerously is a problem regardless of speed but more of a problem at excessive speed. Lane sharing works well at highway speeds, it is much safer for the motos than being grouped w/n traffic.
    not sure what your idea of lane sharing is, care to elaborate?? if your suggesting lane splitting @ highway speeds is safer for motos i'm not buyin it motos don't belong splitting vehicles @ 65-80mph.......get in line and use the lane as intended.

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    Try driving in many places in Europe where lane splitting is legal. Bikes are all over everywhere, at warp speeds sometimes. Hell, when I was living in England last, my biker friends and me would lane split on the motorways at over a ton. Dumb, but when you're young(er) you are in fact invincible... until Paddy left his spleen in a hedgerow under his R1 when a car driver decided to U turn out of the fast lane...
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    I'm in Nairobi today, and passed this guy on his bike earlier. He had just been lane splitting like crazy before I took this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    A Texas-Sized Idiot.


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    Lane splitting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Lol. That's nothing. You west coasters should try driving in ny, nj.

    For that matter, Other parts of the world make USA driving look completely civil.
    Right?

    In CA, aggressive driving accompanied by threatening gestures and vindictive maneuvers is referred to as "road rage."

    Everywhere else, it's "commuting."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    Lane splitting?
    Riding a motorcycle between cars. Legal in California for motorcycles.

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    I used to be one of those guys who objected to bikes splitting lanes. Then, I realized that there was no reason for the bikes to be mired in traffic just because I am.

    Now, I pull over as far as I can to make sure they have as much safe space as possible. God knows, it's dangerous enough for motorcyclists without me being an A-hole and purposely shutting them down. Let's just all get where we're going as safely as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckha62 View Post
    I used to be one of those guys who objected to bikes splitting lanes. Then, I realized that there was no reason for the bikes to be mired in traffic just because I am.

    Now, I pull over as far as I can to make sure they have as much safe space as possible. God knows, it's dangerous enough for motorcyclists without me being an A-hole and purposely shutting them down. Let's just all get where we're going as safely as possible.
    And as fast as possible, like the guy on the shoulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    And as fast as possible, like the guy on the shoulder.
    I guess five lanes is better than four, right? Never mind the fact that he's on the other side of the yellow line. Rules are for other people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Klurejr, this was you in the video on the bike, right? I'll have to wait until later to view it. It won't load on my cell phone.
    Yes I filmed it.

    The CHP cannot do anything about an infraction or misdemeanor if they do not witness it themself..... I asked once.

    For the comments about splitting at highway speeds or very slow traffic speeds.... the key is always Differential speed, as in the speed in which you are actually passing another vehicle. When I split those two cars at about 75-80 mph, they were going about 70-75mph and it is actually much safer to do that than it is to pass a car going 10 mph while traveling at 25-30 mph.
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    I wish my mountain bike skills where is sharp as my motorcycle skills, I could see myself spending six or seven thousand on a new bike.

    Right now it just seems like a waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Yes I filmed it.

    The CHP cannot do anything about an infraction or misdemeanor if they do not witness it themself..... I asked once.

    For the comments about splitting at highway speeds or very slow traffic speeds.... the key is always Differential speed, as in the speed in which you are actually passing another vehicle. When I split those two cars at about 75-80 mph, they were going about 70-75mph and it is actually much safer to do that than it is to pass a car going 10 mph while traveling at 25-30 mph.
    then you should not have split them at all, justify the safety factor as you will but this is what riles other drivers, which in turn can lead to a deadly encounter.

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    Klurejr, you don't like that left grip much do you! In fast moving and heavy traffic plus a Texan with a death wish alongside, I would be hanging on with both hands firm, ready for anything!
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    Riding a motorcycle between cars. Legal in California for motorcycles.

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    Gotcha. Traffic jams only, then? I see cycles pulling that move in regular traffic, which is a death wish.
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    then you should not have split them at all, justify the safety factor as you will but this is what riles other drivers, which in turn can lead to a deadly encounter.
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    Klurejr, you don't like that left grip much do you! In fast moving and heavy traffic plus a Texan with a death wish alongside, I would be hanging on with both hands firm, ready for anything!
    I have been riding my motorcycle to work and back for 6 years now.

    I had a number of "close calls" in the first 2 years... Then I slowed way the heck down when passing cars, to a 5-15 mph differential speed instead of a 15-25 mph differential speed.... I don't have close calls anymore, but I am still a vigilant rider. I keep my right foot over the brake and one finger resting on the front brake lever anytime I am splitting.

    I wrote a pretty long blog article about what I have learned on the subject if you are interested in the read:

    California Road Warrior: Motorcycles - A Love Story

    I have had a number of people online tell me how dangerous it is to split lanes when they have never done it or have very limited experience. Not only does the CHP condone Lane Splitting, they do it in mass all across the state of California. With the Laws on Lane Splitting changing in Washington and a few other states I expect some big changes to the laws all across the nation in the next 10 years to look more like the lane splitting laws that are prevalent in 95% of the countries in the World. It is not the lane splitters in California that are the odd ones out, it is the lack of lane splitting in the other 49 states that make them the oddballs compared to the rest of the world.


    Also, no matter what anyone thinks of my lane splitting, driving on the shoulder is never legal under any circumstances.
    It is safer to be between cars when they are to the left and right of you than when they are in front and behind you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    Also, no matter what anyone thinks of my lane splitting, driving on the shoulder is never legal under any circumstances.
    It is safer to be between cars when they are to the left and right of you than when they are in front and behind you.
    Plus all the junk on the shoulder so he could have blown a tire at 90 mph.
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    Question? How often do you practice emergency braking techniques at 80+ MPH?

    Seriously. I don't care about the 5-15 MPH differential. Try braking as hard as you possibly can at that speed and see how far you travel in that time frame.

    Never ride faster then you practice braking at. I used to practice from 90 MPH on the street. Then I started racing on track and gave up street riding. No interest in street riding anymore. I only ride my roadie anymore and try to minimize my driving (usually only for MTB riding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    I have been riding my motorcycle to work and back for 6 years now.

    I had a number of "close calls" in the first 2 years... Then I slowed way the heck down when passing cars, to a 5-15 mph differential speed instead of a 15-25 mph differential speed.... I don't have close calls anymore, but I am still a vigilant rider. I keep my right foot over the brake and one finger resting on the front brake lever anytime I am splitting.

    I wrote a pretty long blog article about what I have learned on the subject if you are interested in the read:

    California Road Warrior: Motorcycles - A Love Story

    I have had a number of people online tell me how dangerous it is to split lanes when they have never done it or have very limited experience. Not only does the CHP condone Lane Splitting, they do it in mass all across the state of California. With the Laws on Lane Splitting changing in Washington and a few other states I expect some big changes to the laws all across the nation in the next 10 years to look more like the lane splitting laws that are prevalent in 95% of the countries in the World. It is not the lane splitters in California that are the odd ones out, it is the lack of lane splitting in the other 49 states that make them the oddballs compared to the rest of the world.


    Also, no matter what anyone thinks of my lane splitting, driving on the shoulder is never legal under any circumstances.
    It is safer to be between cars when they are to the left and right of you than when they are in front and behind you.
    MA driver here. On some interstates here they make the shoulder a travel lane during rush hour. Interesting on and off ramp stuff. At speed. Almost no one uses a turn signal here. I do all the time. OP, concerned with some one turning/ you riding in the bind spot? Or you are not there very long?

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    Sometimes it's safer to not spend time in blind spots. I usually speed right up when passing a car... The shorter the time spent in danger, the less dangerous it is! I once went on a trip with an Italian Concert promoter in his Ferrari, and it was a foggy morning. He drove fast anyway, but whenever we came to a fog bank, he would speed right up. I was crapping myself and asked him why he did this. He replied "Chrees, ze quicker we get throo, ze less diynger we hav!" (Fluent Italian)... I could not fault his logic.
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    Lol. Have seen more accidents per day in Italy, than anywhere else I've been
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewalk View Post
    Question? How often do you practice emergency braking techniques at 80+ MPH?

    Seriously. I don't care about the 5-15 MPH differential. Try braking as hard as you possibly can at that speed and see how far you travel in that time frame.

    Never ride faster then you practice braking at. I used to practice from 90 MPH on the street. Then I started racing on track and gave up street riding. No interest in street riding anymore. I only ride my roadie anymore and try to minimize my driving (usually only for MTB riding).
    I do not practice it on a regular basis, but I have done it before on both my FZ and on my vStar1300. I have had both lock up the rears and it is very scary to lock the rear on the big cruiser. The FZ is much lighter and more nimble and much easier to control, hence the reason it is my daily commuter and my vStar is the road trip bike. I grew up riding dirt bikes so I am familiar with the feeling and technique.

    As I mentioned before the last time I had a close call and needed to due such a maneuver was when my differential speeds were higher. Slowing those down really makes a difference in my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    MA driver here. On some interstates here they make the shoulder a travel lane during rush hour. Interesting on and off ramp stuff. At speed. Almost no one uses a turn signal here. I do all the time. OP, concerned with some one turning/ you riding in the bind spot? Or you are not there very long?
    I never want to be in anyones Blind Spot, it is always safer to be moving slightly faster than the flow of traffic so you are in and out of blind spots as quick as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Sometimes it's safer to not spend time in blind spots. I usually speed right up when passing a car... The shorter the time spent in danger, the less dangerous it is! I once went on a trip with an Italian Concert promoter in his Ferrari, and it was a foggy morning. He drove fast anyway, but whenever we came to a fog bank, he would speed right up. I was crapping myself and asked him why he did this. He replied "Chrees, ze quicker we get throo, ze less diynger we hav!" (Fluent Italian)... I could not fault his logic.
    I am not sure I can agree with your Italian friend on that one... lol.
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    Agree, Texas boy is a Tool. He obviously was peeved at your lane splitting in what he saw as "normal" traffic flow.

    Seriously, though, why lane split when traffic is moving well? It's does add an element of risk I wouldn't be willing to accept. You say speed differential is the key to safe splitting and it's safer at higher speeds with a lower differential...until you go down. And, legal splitting is essentially a reward for bi-wheelers to move through slow traffic at a greater clip, not book it at 80mph, when everyone ne else is doing 75.

    It may be legal in some jurisdictions but it also shows a considerable amount of hubris at higher speeds. Jmo.
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    And I'll further qualify my question above with I know you're going to answer that it's safer to have vehicles right and left of you, not in front or behind. I get that. It would be interesting to compare statistics of motorcycle-car rear enders v. motorcycle accidents with cars who cut them off mid split, per vehicle mile traveled.

    When I did some road riding back in the day, in a state w/o splitting allowances, I always traveled in my lane with a constant escape route, either to the left or right of the car in front of me, and watched mirrors closely, especially if things tightened up. I never was directly behind the car in front.

    You don't have to defend your splitting practices. Too risky for me at higher speeds, that is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Seriously, though, why lane split when traffic is moving well? It's does add an element of risk I wouldn't be willing to accept. You say speed differential is the key to safe splitting and it's safer at higher speeds with a lower differential...until you go down.
    Usually I don't, I can normally wait for the cars to space enough for me to just change lanes in the gap. In this case I wanted to catch up and get a screen grab of his license plate before my exit.

    When it comes to your question about comparing accidents from rear-ending another vehicle vs changing lanes into another vehicle here is what I wrote in my blog post linked to further up this thread:

    One last thing about the safety of lane splitting vs not lane splitting. The most common type of automobile accident by far is the rear-ender. Cases where one car driving along side another car suddenly loses control and slams left or right into the car besides them are so rare they are not kept track of. That said, no matter where you put yourself, when on the road on a motorcycle you are going to be between 2 automobiles, either front to back or side to side. I have witnessed enough rear-ender accidents over the years to know I would rather have the cars to my sides, not behind and in front of me when traffic suddenly slows or stops.
    I had done some research before I posted that, and I thought I had linked it in the blog... but I don't see any links. I will have to research it again, there is data that shows that rear-ending another vehicle is by far the most common form of collision.
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    Car-to-car rear enders, yes, most common. But I wonder how the rear ender numbers with bikes and cars compare verses a bike being cut off by a car mid split for whatever reason, such as lane change, lane squeeze, etc?

    Meanwhile, I'll leave this here. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide the Clyde View Post
    Car-to-car rear enders, yes, most common. But I wonder how the rear ender numbers with bikes and cars compare verses a bike being cut off by a car mid split for whatever reason, such as lane change, lane squeeze, etc?

    Meanwhile, I'll leave this here. Enjoy.

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    The big difference is a motorcycle rider has more options to avoid collision when splitting and a car changes lanes.

    If a car decides to rear-end a stopped motorcycle and crush then into the car in front of them... game over everytime.

    Also that portlandia clip is fantastic.
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    Lucky he didn't run you over!!!
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    All the more reason I question the wisdom of speeding up to ride alongside a multi-ton vehicle driven by a nutjob who has an obvious grudge against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    All the more reason I question the wisdom of speeding up to ride alongside a multi-ton vehicle driven by a nutjob who has an obvious grudge against you.
    Yep, the Dodge pickup driver was definitely off the bubble. Jr prolly will think better of it if there's a next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    All the more reason I question the wisdom of speeding up to ride alongside a multi-ton vehicle driven by a nutjob who has an obvious grudge against you.
    Honestly I don't think he had anything against me. When I looked at him after the first time he passed on the shoulder he was looking directly ahead and made no eye contact with me. If he was raging against me there were no signs indicating so.
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