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    The dreaded Lurg!

    Much talk about the Corona virus... seems I can't get away from it. Next week I'm in Turin Italy, and then was going to Bangkok for another job.

    Bangkok was just canceled because there are just too many cases popping up there, and many of the people who would be coming to the event I am working are from China. Several weeks of my work just went POOF!

    Today I hear that N Italy is now the epicenter of cases in that part of the world, and we are rethinking that one too! I really would rather not risk another virus after the last one I got that was so debilitating, but it is getting frustrating having weeks and weeks of work go for nothing...

    Can't even get a decent mask that is fine enough to be of any use!
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    Damn! Italy, of all places. Thatís a real buzzkill. Always better to play it safe, even if it means not turning a profit in the name of health and well-being. Hang in there bro!
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    Who's tourin' in Turin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Who's tourin' in Turin?
    Just one of my corporate events there. I don't tour anymore as I have to be regularly monitored for changes in my bloodwork.
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    Much travel between Italy/China in the biz world. Likely brewing in Brazil as well
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    Just heard that Italy is canceled now too. Many countries in Europe are telling citizens if they travel to Italy they risk being held in quarantine for 2 weeks on return. Romania and Holland being 2 who are actively doing this now. I've received a letter from the Provincial Authorities advising organizers to strongly consider postponing any events that would mean a large gathering of public. Most are doing just this.
    Many of us are going to feel the pinch in lost revenue, lost wages, and many weeks of fruitless work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankout View Post
    Don't lick any door or toilet handles.
    Or gasoline station pump handles, oh and of course ATM terminal number pads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Just heard that Italy is canceled now too. Many countries in Europe are telling citizens if they travel to Italy they risk being held in quarantine for 2 weeks on return. Romania and Holland being 2 who are actively doing this now. I've received a letter from the Provincial Authorities advising organizers to strongly consider postponing any events that would mean a large gathering of public. Most are doing just this.
    Many of us are going to feel the pinch in lost revenue, lost wages, and many weeks of fruitless work.
    Bummer. We have a big event in Vegas I'll be heading out for in two weeks that begins in three weeks. Hopefully it won't explode in the US before then. Or after for that matter.
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    The lines on TV to get into grocery stores in S Korea are insane, same with other footage the BBC showed tonight. I reckon as soon as there are 20 confirmed cases in my city, and it's looking increasingly likely it's coming, I'm going to buy hella groceries.

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    Personally, I think somebody is blowing C19 all outta proportion, in that it's no more dangerous than most flu viruses, but if I was you, Rocker, I would NOT risk it. Stay in Arizona off of the pestilence-planes, and ride yer bike for a bit until this all dies down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    Personally, I think somebody is blowing C19 all outta proportion, in that it's no more dangerous than most flu viruses, but if I was you, Rocker, I would NOT risk it. Stay in Arizona off of the pestilence-planes, and ride yer bike for a bit until this all dies down.
    I don't give a shit about what the all-knowing Hand of the Market says, either....
    The Market don't know shit. Neither does 'that guy' who knows even less... I tend to agree that a lot of this will blow over once the thing is better understood, but after my last little bout at Thanksgiving when I thought I could be on the way out, I'm more than happy to stay safe at home! This virus can take you out if you're compromised, and I am quite sure I fall in that category.
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    For the lads who live in the USA, if I were any of you who travel the world for work, I go on a temporary retirement status from that until everywhere gets thing under control. There's plenty of work to be had here where it is safe. Especially if your immune system is compromised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    For the lads who live in the USA, if I were any of you who travel the world for work, I go on a temporary retirement status from that until everywhere gets thing under control. There's plenty of work to be had here where it is safe. Especially if your immune system is compromised.
    Unfortunately 80% of my work is abroad... If this goes on much longer, my business is in tatters. I am also not too sure how long it will be before we become less safe here too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Unfortunately 80% of my work is abroad... If this goes on much longer, my business is in tatters. I am also not too sure how long it will be before we become less safe here too!
    Local Walmart is hiring greeters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Local Walmart is hiring greeters.
    Heís not local to you.
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    This is one of the better articles I've read on it, not that I've read a lot though.

    https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/arti...www.google.com

    Harvard epidemiologist postulates up to 70% of the humans on Earth will get it this year. I've also read multiple times that 35 confirmed cases roughly equates to 200 cases total, at the time of 35 cases. Also interesting of note is the WHO officially warning families worldwide to prepare. I didn't know H5N1 had a 60% mortality rate... wow!

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    The Ďmarketí cares about money, and 25% of the worlds produced goods comes from China.
    For now it appears to be the latest media omg drama moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Heís not local to you.
    Yeah, but I'd travel for that opportunity
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Heís not local to you.
    There are Walmarts everywhere and they are always hiring smiling faces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    There are Walmarts everywhere and they are always hiring smiling faces.
    Here that Rocker? Put a smile on and greet.
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    I passionately remove rocks and corners and other stuff I find too hard to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Here that Rocker? Put a smile on and greet.
    Same thing goes for you, grumpy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Same thing goes for you, grumpy!
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    I see the CDC has taken the WHO's lead and has officially warned Americans to prepare for "significant disruption". Interesting and unprecedented to my knowledge. If I was a betting man I'd wager this peters out seasonally to return I n the fall full throttle. Then again it seems extremely contagious so who knows.

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    Wow, the 3M masks I use at work are "currently unavailable" on amazon.
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    Great, and we're on the verge of buying plane tickets for my duaghter's graduation in May.
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    Looking at the current situation, I think many more will be affected closer to home before this thing settles down. The article Whalenard referenced above is very informative, and about the most sensible I have read so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Wow, the 3M masks I use at work are "currently unavailable" on amazon.
    Been that way for a week or more...
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    Wrap a bandanna around your lower face and tie it into position. This might end up being a period when it's OK to look like a bandit, a robber, or a gang banger.

    Make sure that the bandanna you are wearing has your local "colors". Ya don't wanna get mistaken for a cross town rival.
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    If it comes to point where you are donning a face mask a drop of colloidal silver will turn it from psychologically functional to physiologically functional.

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    Good luck finding any face masks in the states now. All the big box stores are sold out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    For now it appears to be the latest media omg drama moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Good luck finding g a face mask in the states now. All the big box stores are sold out.
    Was just talking to a pal in Kuala Lumpur, and he's sending me over some good masks! Most you get here are useless anyway, they give very little protection against viruses...
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    20 schools closed in the the UK today. I reckon watching what measures are taken in the UK would be a safe bet of how it's handled here.

    Cases now in Brazil and Argentina and global cases have surpassed that of China. Also seasonality does not seem to be a factor in Australia or Indonesia. The affects on "globalization" will likely end up in text books.

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    In all of this... what has happened to the street protests in Hong Kong?!? What a way to stamp out dissent, toss a nasty virus into the mix
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post

    Cases now in Brazil and Argentina and global cases have surpassed that of China.
    Uhhh...what?

    You mean, NEW global cases in the past day. ~450 vs ~410

    China still has about 30x the number cases of the rest of the world combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Uhhh...what?

    Brazil just announced it's first case today.
    Argentina has no confirmed cases.
    China's getting near 100k.
    That's quoted from the BBC reporting on my way into work this morning.

    *You're right though, they obviously said new cases vs total cases regarding China. My mistake there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    That's quoted from the BBC reporting on my way into work this morning.

    *You're right though, they obviously said new cases vs total cases regarding China. My mistake there.
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    All good - I originally misread what you were saying completely.
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    The daily update lol...

    Highschool closed in Seattle today, first in the US?

    Japan to close all schools through March, wow!

    Is it just me or is the collective world and individual country's reactions to this not at all.. even remotely, align with the official stated threat this virus poses? Something strikes me as off with the discrepancy here. If I personally have any concern it lies in that oddity.

    I typically do my grocery shopping every 2 weeks on Fri eve or Sat morning. Thinking I'll grab an extra 25# bag of rice and 25# bag of beans. Stuff I'll consume regardless, but don't necessarily need at this time.

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    Get the bread!

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    I flew to PHX and back over the past couple of days. Only saw less than 5 people wearing masks. One was the TSA agent checking IDs.

    On the flight over I was seated in the back of the plane in the midst of no less than 5 kids under the age of 5. ****ing germ factory. Not fearing coronavirus per se, but I just don't need to get sick before my PCT hike next weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Get the bread!

    Get the milk!
    Have you seen news footage of people trying to buy groceries in Italy or S Korea? No joke

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Get the bread!

    Get the milk!
    Heck with those.
    Stock up on beer!
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    Nah, stock up on beer raw goods to brew it. Give you something to do while hunkered down in the sub level digs
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I flew to PHX and back over the past couple of days. Only saw less than 5 people wearing masks. One was the TSA agent checking IDs.

    On the flight over I was seated in the back of the plane in the midst of no less than 5 kids under the age of 5. ****ing germ factory. Not fearing coronavirus per se, but I just don't need to get sick before my PCT hike next weekend.
    What section are you going to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I flew to PHX and back over the past couple of days. Only saw less than 5 people wearing masks. One was the TSA agent checking IDs.

    On the flight over I was seated in the back of the plane in the midst of no less than 5 kids under the age of 5. ****ing germ factory. Not fearing coronavirus per se, but I just don't need to get sick before my PCT hike next weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    What section are you going to do?
    The end of the worst section -- 50 miles between Hwy 138 and Hwy 58 in the Mojave desert, much of it walking along the aqueduct.

    That's the only part of the PCT that doesn't follow a "crest," since they couldn't get an easement through the Tejon Ranch to put the trail along the Tehachapi range. That changed about 6 years ago, and there is a plan to realign that horrible part of the trail through the Tehachapis, but that could still be years away from completion. I'd still hike the realignment once it's done, but need to make some progress.

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    I hope you make it.
    Thanks! Should be perfect hiking weather. We've been putting off this subsection for a while now for various reasons but I really want to get it checked off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    The end of the worst section -- 50 miles between Hwy 138 and Hwy 58 in the Mojave desert, much of it walking along the aqueduct.
    Have fun?

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    The current news on the virus is not overly encouraging at this juncture. Oy.
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    To be fair the population of Hubei province is 58.5 million people. They have had 65187 cases which is .1% of the total population. Of that 2615 have died which is .0045% of the total population...

    If you apply those numbers to the US population that would be 327,200 cases and 14,724 deaths. That is basically a bad flu season...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93EXCivic View Post
    To be fair the population of Hubei province is 58.5 million people. They have had 65187 cases which is .1% of the total population. Of that 2615 have died which is .0045% of the total population...

    If you apply those numbers to the US population that would be 327,200 cases and 14,724 deaths. That is basically a bad flu season...

    Yup, so far. And so far this flue season was way up, before corona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93EXCivic View Post
    To be fair the population of Hubei province is 58.5 million people. They have had 65187 cases which is .1% of the total population. Of that 2615 have died which is .0045% of the total population...

    If you apply those numbers to the US population that would be 327,200 cases and 14,724 deaths. That is basically a bad flu season...

    Except China cordoned off entire cities of 11 million people to contain it which appears to have worked. No way could we accomplish that here. The stated mortality rate is about 2%, in addition to the flu that's some big numbers. Finally, and most curious imo, China basically cut the legs out from under it's own economy over this. If it's so benign, why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Except China cordoned off entire cities of 11 million people to contain it which appears to have worked. No way could we accomplish that here. The stated mortality rate is about 2%, in addition to the flu that's some big numbers. Finally, and most curious imo, China basically cut the legs out from under it's own economy over this. If it's so benign, why?

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    I am mostly pointing out that one everything I have read and the numbers point to it being less transmittable then the flu but with a higher mortality rate. Most deaths come in the over 70 part of the population or in people with pre-existing diseases (heart disease, chronic respiratory diseases, cancer, etc). Wash your hands and don't pick your nose and you will probably be fine. Even if you do get it, most people just have something like a cold or the flu. It isn't the end of the human population.
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    Waiting for impeachment proceedings to get started over this; listening to CNN this morning, sounds like it could be any minute now.

    Incredible that people are so petty and childish they look at this primarily as a way to try to score political points. That's the REAL epidemic we should be worried about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slapheadmofo View Post
    Waiting for impeachment proceedings to get started over this; listening to CNN this morning, sounds like it could be any minute now.

    Incredible that people are so petty and childish they look at this primarily as a way to try to score political points. That's the REAL epidemic we should be worried about.
    Why bring that into this? The only people who are trying to score political points on this are idiots, so let's not bring that in here. IF there is any truth to the conjecture that this is all being minimized to save the markets, then it becomes an issue, not before. If it is proven that people's lives could have been saved if the gubmint had acted out of something other than political motives, then we have an issue.
    I believe that whatever is done, this thing is going to spread like wildfire and many of us will become infected if we try to live anything like a normal life...
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    Hey! That's not a very nice thing to say about Wolf Blitzer and the gang!

    He has a gang now? I never watch CNN any more, unless i'm in a foreign hotel and that's all there is.
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    Authoritarian regimes doing authoritarian things.

    I am mostly pointing out that one everything I have read and the numbers point to it being less transmittable then the flu but with a higher mortality rate. Most deaths come in the over 70 part of the population or in people with pre-existing diseases (heart disease, chronic respiratory diseases, cancer, etc). Wash your hands and don't pick your nose and you will probably be fine. Even if you do get it, most people just have something like a cold or the flu. It isn't the end of the human population.
    I dunno, seems like health experts and the governments who listen to them are taking this pretty seriously. Comparing it to the flu might help keep things in perspective but imagine if the flu was a brand new disease and we had a chance to stop it in it's tracks - how many lives would have been saved?

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    Reports state that most who become infected will heal on their own. So, COVID-19 is like a strain of the flu. Your recovery likely depends on your health. I assume that once a vaccine has been created, it will be added to the seasonal flu vaccine that is available every year. Why am I not hearing about children being infected? There has to be some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Reports state that most who become infected will heal on their own. So, COVID-19 is like a strain of the flu. Your recovery likely depends on your health. I assume that once a vaccine has been created, it will be added to the seasonal flu vaccine that is available every year. Why am I not hearing about children being infected? There has to be some.
    There are plenty of children infected Hawg. The nasty part of this virus is that in some people, it gets into the lungs, and starts to churn out lots of other little viruses that eventually coat the lung lining, making it hard and eventually impossible to breathe. Hence the ventilators to keep people alive. Eventually too, kidney function shuts down, then who knows... death usually ain't far at that point. If your immune system is compromised, the risk of nastiness is very much heightened. Eventually, the 'cure' will be perfected, tested and produced, and will become a part of our annual shot package, but this will take a year, so we have a lot of time to suffer before then...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    There are plenty of children infected Hawg. The nasty part of this virus is that in some people, it gets into the lungs, and starts to churn out lots of other little viruses that eventually coat the lung lining, making it hard and eventually impossible to breathe. Hence the ventilators to keep people alive. Eventually too, kidney function shuts down, then who knows... death usually ain't far at that point. If your immune system is compromised, the risk of nastiness is very much heightened. Eventually, the 'cure' will be perfected, tested and produced, and will become a part of our annual shot package, but this will take a year, so we have a lot of time to suffer before then...
    Yes, all similar to what some of the stronger strains of flu virus can do. Since COVID-19 is a strain of Corona Virus, perhaps it will mutate like that flu virus does and we will have to create a new version of vaccine (once vaccines are available) for it as it does. I also wonder if once we contract and heal from COVID-19, that we are forever immune to this specific strain, just as we are once we heal from a specific flu virus strain???
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Itís a new virus, we just donít know yet
    Did I hear correctly that Corona Virus was originally developed in a lab?
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    Idk, havenít heard that. From what Iíve heard so far is itís not certain but believed to have started in animals and spread/evolved to effect people.
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    I read somewhere that climate change... I MEAN COVID is from a street market in Wuhan where they buy and eat a particular breed of cat, and it was passed on from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    eat a particular breed of cat. We deserve all we get...
    But....I like eating that, and do deserve all I can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I read somewhere that climate change... I MEAN COVID is from a street market in Wuhan where they buy and eat a particular breed of cat, and it was passed on from them.

    We deserve all we get...
    In truth, that's not far off.

    It depends on which Fake News channel you listen to or watch. The reports vary a little bit.
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    This particular strain of coronavirus, where, how it started, we just donít know yet. Maybe never will. Same thing is true for climate change. But that wonít stop ppl from thinking they do, and spreading their bs. Never has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I read somewhere that climate change... I MEAN COVID is from a street market in Wuhan where they buy and eat a particular breed of cat, and it was passed on from them.

    We deserve all we get...
    So what I heard that it started from humans eating infected bats is hearsay?
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    Corana is a large family of virus, not a flu but can also cause respiratory problems.
    Mostly all Caronaviruses effect animals, and can jump from species to species, and rarely jump to humans. With SARS we think it started with bats and jumped to cats which people ate and that gave humans that virus. With Mers it is thought to have started with bats and spread to camels which people use and are in close contact with and how humans contracted Mers. With covid 19 it is thought to be pangolins that ppl eat that made the leap. Also seems likely that in open air markets, common in Asia, that sell all types of animals in close proximity to each other is where the spreading happened, or could. But we just donít know for sure.
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    Pangolin was strongly thought to be the culprit at first, but that seems to have fallen by the wayside. I read bats have been suspected more recently.

    Very early on I read that it may have been snake meat, also from open air markets. That never really grew legs
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Pangolin was strongly thought to be the culprit at first, but that seems to have fallen by the wayside. I read bats have been suspected more recently.

    Very early on I read that it may have been snake meat, also from open air markets. That never really grew legs
    Yup. While we can eventually figure out which species were effected, the order of those effected far from certain.
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    I heard it the original case was from a guy who used to work at a bio-chemical lab in the area where that lab is located. Fake News strikes again!
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    And Iran is reporting a 9.8% mortality rate.
    Several "community infections" on the west coast now. The one in Oregon is in my neighborhood. I'll wager all the public schools in Portland will be closed by the end of the week.

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    Seeing how healthy their lifestyles are (lots of fresh veggies, not much processed stuff to speak of), Iíd say theyíre on to something. Doctor, make my bun rieu a double! STAT!
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    Deep divide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Did I hear correctly that Corona Virus was originally developed in a lab?


    There is a biological facility outside of Wuhan which led to much speculation if a new disease was released upon the unsuspecting residents.
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    All soccer and hockey matches in Switzerland will be played without spectators, and several large events have been cancelled, talk of closing schools

    as an asthmatic and someone that gets absolutely smashed when l get a flu (although it is rare) lm not highly amused by the news about Corona, l am also not really taking any precautions though

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    This is getting serious. I live in rural VT had a friend up skiing this weekend from NYC. He went to 3 different stores around here looking for masks and hand sanitizer and itís all sold out.

    No cases here yet but I work in local public school and will have to be extra careful. No talk of closing schools yet but I have a hunch that will change.

    Iíll be stocking up on food essentials in the coming weeks and will likely stop eating out. Iíll also get extra gas for the generator.

    I used to live in Boston and am feel way safer in this situation now I donít live near any major city.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    This is getting serious. I live in rural VT had a friend up skiing this weekend from NYC. He went to 3 different stores around here looking for masks and hand sanitizer and itís all sold out.

    No cases here yet but I work in local public school and will have to be extra careful. No talk of closing schools yet but I have a hunch that will change.

    Iíll be stocking up on food essentials in the coming weeks and will likely stop eating out. Iíll also get extra gas for the generator.

    I used to live in Boston and am feel way safer in this situation now I donít live near any major city.


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    Calm Down.
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    Good move VT. Already have, going to get some more supplies, just in case. Will all be stuff that I will use regardless, like canned goods, rice, pasta, tp, etc. None of these things going out of style, and better to be safe than stupid. Covid 19 already having an impact on society and economy, and will run itís coarse. Just hoping it doesnít get crazy bad as some are predicting
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    I don't know why people are so concerned about TP, like you don't have a shower?

    My biggest problem is I touch my face quite a bit, gotta find some way to remember not to.
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    It will run its course.
    The foolish panic and talk.
    Just like every other doomsday panic.

    If you are contemplating walking around in unaffected areas in public with a face mask, youíre not thinking straight.

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    All the store employees were quite taken aback by the crowds yesterday. This is a major chain store but in a little Hamlet of a village area that I use for my day to day stuff. They said there was 300 people waiting in line before the store even opened. People that have worked there for over 20 years say they've never seen anything like it. I plan to do my main shopping (usually enough for 2-3 weeks) after work tomorrow but the self preservationed in me doesn't like that I've procrastinated and not got it done sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    All the store employees were quite taken aback by the crowds yesterday. This is a major chain store but in a little Hamlet of a village area that I use for my day to day stuff. They said there was 300 people waiting in line before the store even opened. People that have worked there for over 20 years say they've never seen anything like it. I plan to do my main shopping (usually enough for 2-3 weeks) after work tomorrow but the self preservationed in me doesn't like that I've procrastinated and not got it done sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I don't know why people are so concerned about TP, like you don't have a shower?

    My biggest problem is I touch my face quite a bit, gotta find some way to remember not to.
    Haha
    Not so concerned, just nice to have and not run out. Wifey makes fun of me for buying lots under normal circumstances. Some things like soap, tp, toothpaste, donít go bad and donít go out of style
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    The whole country is sold out of masks. Oh well, we without masks will have to be patient and and wait until they make more and ship them nationwide.
    Two rubber bands and a paper towel.....


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    This is a ignorance of most developed country populations. They assume they are too good and safe to be effected, especially those outside of urban areas.

    So the actual one needing to rethink, actually do some serious reflecting on themselves as a person is you, not the ones wearing masks. Called taking precautions.

    Especially considering 90% of you actually have no facts in which you base your opinions or make your decisions. However, people like me, well we are some of the first to know and get the info your favorite joke of a news outlet doesnt bother to share.

    And to clear up on ridiculous opinion here:

    Flu has between a 0.1 and 1% death rate out of those infected. CV is pushing roughly 4%, a mutation could push it over 10% very easily. Due to long incubation period before symptoms including being contagious before symptoms appear, it is far too easy to spread undetected. Along with no basic immunities like we have to flu and cold. People travel like never before, so no where is guaranteed to go unaffected.

    This is why many are taking precautions. If you feel safe good for you, for the rest, stop being an ass because they are trying to take precautions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post

    My biggest problem is I touch my face quite a bit, gotta find some way to remember not to.
    Forgo the TP and the shower?

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    This is a ignorance of most developed country populations. They assume they are too good and safe to be effected, especially those outside of urban areas.

    So the actual one needing to rethink, actually do some serious reflecting on themselves as a person is you, not the ones wearing masks. Called taking precautions.

    Especially considering 90% of you actually have no facts in which you base your opinions or make your decisions. However, people like me, well we are some of the first to know and get the info your favorite joke of a news outlet doesnt bother to share.

    And to clear up on ridiculous opinion here:

    Flu has between a 0.1 and 1% death rate out of those infected. CV is pushing roughly 4%, a mutation could push it over 10% very easily. Due to long incubation period before symptoms including being contagious before symptoms appear, it is far too easy to spread undetected. Along with no basic immunities like we have to flu and cold. People travel like never before, so no where is guaranteed to go unaffected.

    This is why many are taking precautions. If you feel safe good for you, for the rest, stop being an ass because they are trying to take precautions.

    People who make crap up and speculate are being the asses.
    I provided well documented figures updated daily pinpointing infection location, rate, and recovery.

    You speculated on percentages, speculated on spread, speculated on mortality, speculated on mutation, are just plain wrong on the function of immunity. And donít even know the difference between a noun and a verb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    This is a ignorance of most developed country populations. They assume they are too good and safe to be effected, especially those outside of urban areas.

    So the actual one needing to rethink, actually do some serious reflecting on themselves as a person is you, not the ones wearing masks. Called taking precautions.

    Especially considering 90% of you actually have no facts in which you base your opinions or make your decisions. However, people like me, well we are some of the first to know and get the info your favorite joke of a news outlet doesnt bother to share.

    And to clear up on ridiculous opinion here:

    Flu has between a 0.1 and 1% death rate out of those infected. CV is pushing roughly 4%, a mutation could push it over 10% very easily. Due to long incubation period before symptoms including being contagious before symptoms appear, it is far too easy to spread undetected. Along with no basic immunities like we have to flu and cold. People travel like never before, so no where is guaranteed to go unaffected.

    This is why many are taking precautions. If you feel safe good for you, for the rest, stop being an ass because they are trying to take precautions.

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    The numbers Oz provided are all speculation since we donít know how many are infected and not yet detected. Long incubation period and everyone not getting tested easily, quickly, and for free does not help.
    Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
    Agree, the best defense is a strong immune system
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    We simply don't know
    Reported mortality
    China 3.5%
    Italy <1%
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    There is no consensus on "facts" regarding this virus that I'm aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    The numbers Oz provided are all speculation since we donít know how many are infected and not yet detected
    Wrong Meat.
    Your suggestion that Johns Hopkins is providing numbers that are ďall speculationĒ is patently FALSE.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/w...-recovery.html

    But government officials and medical experts, in their warnings about the epidemic, have also sounded a note of reassurance: Though the virus can be deadly, the vast majority of those infected so far have only mild symptoms and make full recoveries.
    It is an important factor to understand, medical experts said, both to avoid an unnecessary global panic and to get a clear picture of the likelihood of transmission.
    ďMany people are now panicking, and some actually are exaggerating the risks,Ē said Dr. Jin Dongyan, a virology expert at the University of Hong Kong. ďFor governments, for public health professionals ó they also have to deal with these, because these will also be harmful.Ē

    I would not classify attending a panic buy at Costco in a large crowd as a smart way to reduce contact.

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    Oz, simple concepts that pretty much everyone understands. Try a little harder, you can get it man.
    We donít know mortality because this is a new virus. We donít know how many are effected because everyone is not tested. We donít know with certainty how contagious it is because it is a new virus.
    And the biggy. There is a dif between panic and smart enough try to be somewhat prepared
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    You try a little harder.
    Click the link, take it for what it is worth, and quit making grand sweeping ill-informed statements contradicting sound, timely information from a source like Johns Hopkins.

    Or in your case, not.

    It isnít as you suggest ďstupidĒ, having rushed out to stock up, not to go back for more......

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    ĎNo you try a lil harderí I know you are but what am I. Too funny

    Johns Hopkins is not saying anything ill informed or grand sweeping. Theyíre also not cherry picking facts or misleading ppl.

    Also, I didnít rush out to get anything, and if I did itís my concern. As well if I like to have stock on non perishable goods on hand not sure why you care, or care to judge someone for it. Odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Forgo the TP and the shower?

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    Those two statements were unrelated, lol!

    Showers are like full body bidets.


    Costco was out of white and jasmine rice, expected back in stock on the 6th, but had basmati. I was surprised they don't have any big bags of beans. For the heck of it I grabbed a case of green beans and a couple pork butts to stick in the freezer, prepping is kinda fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    ĎNo you try a lil harderí I know you are but what am I. Too funny

    Johns Hopkins is not saying anything ill informed or grand sweeping. Theyíre also not cherry picking facts or misleading ppl.


    Also, I didnít rush out to get anything, and if I did itís my concern. As well if I like to have stock on non perishable goods on hand not sure why you care, or care to judge someone for it. Odd.

    Your Words.
    The numbers Oz provided are all speculation.
    .....From Johns Hopkins

    Good move VT. Already have, going to get some more supplies, just in case. Will all be stuff that I will use regardless,......better to be safe than stupid.

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    It's all well and good for people who are healthy to poo poo others taking what they see as unnecessary precautions. Some of us are much more prone to suffer a severely negative outcome with such a thing than others, so until this thing is better understood, better contained, and better treated, I am content to stay at home as much as possible, and to take sensible precautions if I do go out in public. Many people are immuno compromised, so downplaying this before effective testing can become widespread, and effective treatment is found, is foolish.
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    Again oz, simple concept. We, Hopkins, whoever, donít know how many are effected because not everyone is tested. Let alone how contagious it is or itís mortality rate. This is the third time this has been explained. Try harder, please
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    ďAffectedď.
    Itís become a regular distraction lately.
    Try harder please.
    It is quite obvious that the Johns Hopkins Link is a running total.
    Updated as figures are confirmed.
    No one suggested otherwise.

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    When all someone has left is grammar correction, says it all
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    It's all well and good for people who are healthy to poo poo others taking what they see as unnecessary precautions. Some of us are much more prone to suffer a severely negative outcome with such a thing than others, so until this thing is better understood, better contained, and better treated, I am content to stay at home as much as possible, and to take sensible precautions if I do go out in public. Many people are immuno compromised, so downplaying this before effective testing can become widespread, and effective treatment is found, is foolish.
    Who downplayed the risk to compromised individuals?
    Who downplayed sensible precaution?

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    You did. With a good dose of judgmental crap thrown in. Your willingness to take parts of someoneís post to create your own narrative is fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    When all someone has left is grammar correction, says it all
    There you go with that ďallĒ word again.....

    When someone makes the same simple grammatical error repeatedly for days whilst repeatedly berating the intelligence of others they should appreciate the correction. Itís kinda like telling you you got something hanging from your nose.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    You did. With a good dose of judgmental crap thrown in. Your willingness to take parts of someoneís post to create your own narrative is fun
    You canít back that up Meat.
    Common error with you.
    You should limit yourself to simple questions addressed to you.
    Then you wouldnít generate strings of posts full of error.

    But if you think itís fun........

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    What's the worst that could happen?

    Corona Virus goes "air born" (contract capable without contact)

    Everyone is ordered to stay home in a self quarantined environment. The first national order is to stay home for 14 days. Then time is consistently added to that span as more and more people become infected (those who did not heed the order). Eventually, services stop functioning (electricity/communications/water/gas...). People quickly run out of supplies and start hunting for survival necessities (stealing from other people). The shooting begins. Casualties on both sides (robbers and robbed). Bodies start to gather. The foul smell of rotting corpses fills the air. Crying can heard here and there. Cars are stopped in the middle of the road and left. Stores are pillaged and left emptied. Rats and cockroaches everywhere. Diseases are spreading rapidly. The occasional fighter jet is heard flying overhead as the Government tries desperately to keep control, but it's a losing battle. Then the bombs come. First the big cities, then the rural towns. Mass destruction is everywhere. Everything is on fire. The world smolders in ruins. Mankind comes close to extinction, but barely hangs on. Then the poles shift. The Moon's orbit wobbles and it is pulled into Earth. When it makes contact, there is a great shuttering like never before and the air is on fire. Gravity on our once balanced world is now weak in some places and overly powerful in others. A passing meteor the size of Texas is drawn in by this imbalance. It would have otherwise passed at a safe distance, but not this time. It strikes the Earth on what was the North Pole region, causing our planet to wobble in it's orbit and rotation. Mountains are pulled apart. Water is lifted out of the sea and dropped wildly about our planet. ...all because of the Corona Virus....
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    Well thatís settles it for me then, off to Walmart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Well thatís settles it for me then, off to Walmart.

    https://youtu.be/KQ6zr6kCPj8
    Order from amazon. Less contact. Try harder man, youíll get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Order from amazon. Less contact. Try harder man, youíll get it
    .....until you receive that box.....
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    Dad-gummed 10-day waiting periods.
    Research, learn, and grow. Agree or disagree with evidence and analysis.

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    Amazon prime. Get it in two days
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Then you wouldnít generate strings of posts full of error.
    Do you mean all your combative retorts OZ? If the cap fits...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails The dreaded Lurg!-keep_america_great_front__36158.1531893804.1280.1280.jpg  

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    Why bring that into this? The only people who are trying to score political points on this are idiots, so let's not bring that in here.
    I mean when people canít remember what they posted long enough not to contradict themselves.......

    Want me to box those up for you or you gonna wear Ďem home....

    Excellent word choice though.....
    Retort

    • say something in answer to a remark or accusation, typically in a sharp, angry, or wittily incisive manner.
    • repay (an insult or injury).


    • a sharp, angry, or wittily incisive reply to a remark.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Amazon prime. Get it in two days
    It ainít how quick you get it Meat, itís all those hands on all those boxes on all those conveyors in all those warehouses on all those trucks in all those places.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    What's the worst that could happen?

    Corona Virus goes "air born" (contract capable without contact)

    Everyone is ordered to stay home in a self quarantined environment. The first national order is to stay home for 14 days. Then time is consistently added to that span as more and more people become infected (those who did not heed the order). Eventually, services stop functioning (electricity/communications/water/gas...). People quickly run out of supplies and start hunting for survival necessities (stealing from other people). The shooting begins. Casualties on both sides (robbers and robbed). Bodies start to gather. The foul smell of rotting corpses fills the air. Crying can heard here and there. Cars are stopped in the middle of the road and left. Stores are pillaged and left emptied. Rats and cockroaches everywhere. Diseases are spreading rapidly. The occasional fighter jet is heard flying overhead as the Government tries desperately to keep control, but it's a losing battle. Then the bombs come. First the big cities, then the rural towns. Mass destruction is everywhere. Everything is on fire. The world smolders in ruins. Mankind comes close to extinction, but barely hangs on. Then the poles shift. The Moon's orbit wobbles and it is pulled into Earth. When it makes contact, there is a great shuttering like never before and the air is on fire. Gravity on our once balanced world is now weak in some places and overly powerful in others. A passing meteor the size of Texas is drawn in by this imbalance. It would have otherwise passed at a safe distance, but not this time. It strikes the Earth on what was the North Pole region, causing our planet to wobble in it's orbit and rotation. Mountains are pulled apart. Water is lifted out of the sea and dropped wildly about our planet. ...all because of the Corona Virus....
    Oh shit!
    I'm definitely getting more TP then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    I mean when people canít remember what they posted long enough not to contradict themselves.......

    Want me to box those up for you or you gonna wear Ďem home....
    You obviously never heard of self-irony OZ! Too busy sniping I'd say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Oh shit!
    I'm definitely getting more TP then.

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    I remember during the petrol crisis in the 70's in London, TP was the first thing to disappear from the supermarket shelves... weird...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    You obviously never heard of self-irony OZ! Too busy sniping I'd say...
    Uh, see post 98.
    Comes in handy when painted into a corner.
    Kinda like the old just joking ploy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I remember during the petrol crisis in the 70's in London, TP was the first thing to disappear from the supermarket shelves... weird...
    All the people who shit their pants at every cloudburst.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Uh, see post 98.
    Comes in handy when painted into a corner.
    Kinda like the old just joking ploy....
    You can think what you want. Doesn't make it so old chap... Now please can you try to not be such a sanctimonious twat?

    Sorry Corn, but I am up to my teeth in it...
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    I see what you mean.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Those two statements were unrelated, lol!

    Showers are like full body bidets.


    Costco was out of white and jasmine rice, expected back in stock on the 6th, but had basmati. I was surprised they don't have any big bags of beans. For the heck of it I grabbed a case of green beans and a couple pork butts to stick in the freezer, prepping is kinda fun!
    Well, now we know why your meatless thread died out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Sorry Corn, but I am up to my teeth in it...
    While I do find it mildly amusing, it's just going to keep going around and around and around...

    It'd be funny if you guys had your own thread where you could argue ad nauseam, I'd probably check it out quite a bit, lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Well, now we know why your meatless thread died out!
    Ha, I was waiting for someone to call me out on that! It's hard to pass up $2-lb meat that'll last a month or two.

    I tried, and at least I cut a lot of it out, well, some of it. I do eat salmon every morning instead of pork.
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    Just stumbled on a thread in another forum (while getting away from this "discussion" a bit) about nootropics and such. I think I might give these a try!



    Might help defend against "The Dreaded Lurg" !
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    ^Try a couple grams of lion's mane the next time you hit the cheebs. I've harvested a few the last couple falls but not a good enough one to dry out and use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    ^Try a couple grams of lion's mane the next time you hit the cheebs. I've harvested a few the last couple falls but not a good enough one to dry out and use.

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    I've got Paul Stamets lion's mane "Host Defense" in my cart at amazon right now, but the Stamets 7 has it in there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    What's the worst that could happen?

    Corona Virus goes "air born" (contract capable without contact)

    Everyone is ordered to stay home in a self quarantined environment. The first national order is to stay home for 14 days. Then time is consistently added to that span as more and more people become infected (those who did not heed the order). Eventually, services stop functioning (electricity/communications/water/gas...). People quickly run out of supplies and start hunting for survival necessities (stealing from other people). The shooting begins. Casualties on both sides (robbers and robbed). Bodies start to gather. The foul smell of rotting corpses fills the air. Crying can heard here and there. Cars are stopped in the middle of the road and left. Stores are pillaged and left emptied. Rats and cockroaches everywhere. Diseases are spreading rapidly. The occasional fighter jet is heard flying overhead as the Government tries desperately to keep control, but it's a losing battle. Then the bombs come. First the big cities, then the rural towns. Mass destruction is everywhere. Everything is on fire. The world smolders in ruins. Mankind comes close to extinction, but barely hangs on. Then the poles shift. The Moon's orbit wobbles and it is pulled into Earth. When it makes contact, there is a great shuttering like never before and the air is on fire. Gravity on our once balanced world is now weak in some places and overly powerful in others. A passing meteor the size of Texas is drawn in by this imbalance. It would have otherwise passed at a safe distance, but not this time. It strikes the Earth on what was the North Pole region, causing our planet to wobble in it's orbit and rotation. Mountains are pulled apart. Water is lifted out of the sea and dropped wildly about our planet. ...all because of the Corona Virus....
    Thanks, H. A bit of optimism in this otherwise downer of this thread is greatly appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    Guys, relax. The worst case scenario, we all die. Simple. I feel bad for my cats, but there's plenty of rodents around here for them to kill and eat.
    I'm with you on this Ray. Death is a natural part of life. All that matters is how we lived our lives while they existed.

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    I did see lots of cases of water bottles leaving Costco in the last few days. I use my Camelbak bottles and drink tap water, what am I missing?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-line...193130647.html

    *And I also don't care about TP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I did see lots of cases of water bottles leaving Costco in the last few days. I use my Camelbak bottles and drink tap water, what am I missing?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-line...193130647.html

    *And I also don't care about TP.
    Wait... you drink tap water AND you don't wipe?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I did see lots of cases of water bottles leaving Costco in the last few days. I use my Camelbak bottles and drink tap water, what am I missing?
    Not sure what the line of thinking is thereÖdo people think coronavirus is going to get into the municipal water system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Wait... you drink tap water AND you don't wipe?!
    And I tend to touch my face a lot.

    *Edit: TMI

    I use a variety of methods and products available, including wiping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I use a variety of methods and products available.
    Just not TP?
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    OMG, that was so annoying!
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Not sure what the line of thinking is thereÖdo people think coronavirus is going to get into the municipal water system?

    Side note: Over the years I've collected enough water purifying filters to hand out to half the homes on my block. I'm not an addict, just an enthusiast.
    Rad!

    I think a lot of people rely on single use h2o bottles, so they're stocking up, getting them before they're gone.
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    This whole thing is Orange Man's fault! We need to open up our borders to all that show up ASAP! This will fix the virus spread! Just remember, Orange man bad and border security really bad! That's all 'educated people' need to know about this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    Just stumbled on a thread in another forum (while getting away from this "discussion" a bit) about nootropics and such. I think I might give these a try!



    Might help defend against "The Dreaded Lurg" !
    I used to use this stuff the first time I was sick with a chronic illness. I have no doubt it helped with support. Now I take another concoction my wife got from the naturopath that has some lions mane in, plus a bunch of other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    While I do find it mildly amusing, it's just going to keep going around and around and around...

    It'd be funny if you guys had your own thread where you could argue ad nauseam, I'd probably check it out quite a bit, lol!
    No, the reason those exchanges piss me off so much is that I find them extremely boring. As I'm sure others do too. I was also pissed off because I found out that a very old friend passed away yesterday from complications after fighting a long illness. He had picked up another virus which finished him off in his weakened state. No blame to Covid, but demonstrates that we could all be susceptible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    Guys, relax. The worst case scenario, we all die. Simple. I feel bad for my cats, but there's plenty of rodents around here for them to kill and eat.
    The irony then Ray is that our cats eat us, get infected with Covid...

    what goes around...
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    This is pretty telling. Every cloud has a silver lining and so on!

    The dreaded Lurg!-5e5c21372600001c16b6003f.jpeg
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    This whole thing is Orange Man's fault! We need to open up our borders to all that show up ASAP! This will fix the virus spread! Just remember, Orange man bad and border security really bad! That's all 'educated people' need to know about this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    We simply don't know
    Reported mortality
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    There is no consensus on "facts" regarding this virus that I'm aware of.

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    IMO there are probably a few factors in that. Something like half the male population in China smokes and add in the air pollution in China and that seems like the combo for a high mortality rate from a respiratory disease. As far as Iran, we don't know how the good the testing is there so there is a chance, they have only caught the more severe cases. IMO the mortality rate is probably really between 1-2% looking at South Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    This is pretty telling. Every cloud has a silver lining and so on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    No, the reason those exchanges piss me off so much is that I find them extremely boring. As I'm sure others do too. I was also pissed off because I found out that a very old friend passed away yesterday from complications after fighting a long illness. He had picked up another virus which finished him off in his weakened state. No blame to Covid, but demonstrates that we could all be susceptible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    The irony then Ray is that our cats eat us, get infected with Covid...

    what goes around...
    Are they susceptible, RC? If so, never mind my previous post. I gotta take care of the babies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93EXCivic View Post
    IMO there are probably a few factors in that. Something like half the male population in China smokes and add in the air pollution in China and that seems like the combo for a high mortality rate from a respiratory disease. As far as Iran, we don't know how the good the testing is there so there is a chance, they have only caught the more severe cases. IMO the mortality rate is probably really between 1-2% looking at South Korea.
    They may well be factors but I think the overarching factor is we simply don't have good data. The reason why I put "facts" in quotes is because at the confluence of viruses and their host populations there often are no concrete facts. It's a dynamic relationship and even hindsight is usually a % error.

    I will say as a layman watching/listening to the news, what is coming out of Iran and especially S Korea does not align with a relatively benign virus. S Korea's entire country is basically shut down and the events leading up to Iran shutting down their Parliament are bizarre.

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    I'm more concerned about this trail report for a spot on my weekend hike:

    "Black widow infestation I saw around 559.3. I stopped walking when I realized how many black widows there were and counted 20 before I got nervous and started walking again. I broke 15 webs with my walking sticks that were spun across trail that had black widows on them and by the time I was through the section I saw somewhere in the 80 range of them. Most the size of quarters and mean lookin. My foot accidentally touched one of their webs and the spider rushed me! That wind farm is also a black widow farm."
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    Sounds enchanting.

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    Enchanted? Sounds more spooky like the wiz of oz,

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    Sounds like someone doesn't know much about black widows.
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    I don't think lions, tigers or bears would be caught dead on that part of the trail, lol. Rattlesnakes, scorpions, scarce water supplies, cancer-causing wind turbines and now black widows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I'm more concerned about this trail report for a spot on my weekend hike:

    "Black widow infestation I saw around 559.3. I stopped walking when I realized how many black widows there were and counted 20 before I got nervous and started walking again. I broke 15 webs with my walking sticks that were spun across trail that had black widows on them and by the time I was through the section I saw somewhere in the 80 range of them. Most the size of quarters and mean lookin. My foot accidentally touched one of their webs and the spider rushed me! That wind farm is also a black widow farm."
    Wait, this is on this planet somewhere? Fook that!

    I tend to like spiders, I take 'em outside when I find 'em inside, but en masse... nein danke! Anything that has 8 legs and talked about in the same sentence as "infestation" is not OK...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post

    On a serious note, I'm sorry to hear that you lost another friend. That usually puts me in a foul mood , too.
    It def tends to put things in perspective Ray! Not too many of my contemporary compadres left now... I get scared to open F'bok each day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I don't think lions, tigers or bears would be caught dead on that part of the trail, lol. Rattlesnakes, scorpions, scarce water supplies, cancer-causing wind turbines and now black widows?

    Foolish, we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I don't know why people are so concerned about TP, like you don't have a shower?

    My biggest problem is I touch my face quite a bit, gotta find some way to remember not to.
    Easiest way to remind yourself is to not use TP when you wipe, then do not wash your hands... at least until after the first 2 or 3 times you next touch your face. I think you'll find, a lot quicker than Pavlov's dogs, that you will either buy a shitload of TP, or never touch your face again...
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    Apparently the Supreme Leader has died. Quite ironic considering Parliaments actions/reaction to their health minister when the virus landed there

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    Fodder for some interesting conspiracy theories...watch out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Apparently the Supreme Leader has died. Quite ironic considering Parliaments actions/reaction to their health minister when the virus landed there
    I see it being reported as an adviser to Khamenei?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    I see it being reported as an adviser to Khamenei?
    Oops you are correct. Supreme Leader in quarantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    I did see lots of cases of water bottles leaving Costco in the last few days. I use my Camelbak bottles and drink tap water, what am I missing?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/long-line...193130647.html

    *And I also don't care about TP.
    I saw a lot of people stocking up on water and TP at Costco Friday. I have 60 gallons stashed but that's in case of an earthquake. I'm pretty much on top of the San Andreas Fault.

    I drink tap water though. I used to work for the local water district and know what's in it and what's not. They dont fluoridate it, its alkalinity is 8 and theres very little chlorine. Low enough that we'd cheat the residual number up.

    My personal opinion is that the media is causing panic. They're not experts. The only thing I'm worried about is my travel plans being disrupted. I only hope something else comes along that's more newsworthy.
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    I also drink tap water (but have a filter to remove chlorine & minerals). I really don't think this virus thingy is going to impact public utilities going forward.

    The only major travel I have is going to UK & maybe N. Europe in July. I hope it's settled out by then.

    If my late-March trip to AZ gets canceled I won't be too unhappy (unless I try to make it out with a bike, which I keep thinking I'll do).
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    The local grocer still has plenty of TP, didn't look at bottled water. I grabbed a box of ten packages of flushable wipes for $13, they're $7 for packs of two, so I think that's a good buy. I also bought a 20lb bag of white rice for $11, which is what DJ pays for two margaritas at dinner. Since I try to make all my meals at home, buying in bulk makes sense for me, and I do feel a bit more secure knowing I have plenty of food options. If it's not Corona virus it'll be something else.

    And to set the record straight; I wipe after every drop, but I don't stop there, I either follow up with my morning shower, or flushable wipes if it's later in the day. Think about it, if you got poo on your hand would you just wipe it off with dry TP, no, you'd rinse it off, probably even use soap, so why wouldn't you do the same with uranus?
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    Cool story, stink butt, I mean bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Cool story, stink butt, I mean bro
    I used to work in a cabinet shop, and the owner always had this smell about him, kinda smelled like he didn't wipe, lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornfield View Post
    The local grocer still has plenty of TP, didn't look at bottled water. I grabbed a box of ten packages of flushable wipes for $13, they're $7 for packs of two, so I think that's a good buy. I also bought a 20lb bag of white rice for $11, which is what DJ pays for two margaritas at dinner. Since I try to make all my meals at home, buying in bulk makes sense for me, and I do feel a bit more secure knowing I have plenty of food options. If it's not Corona virus it'll be something else.
    Do you have Smart & Final where you live? It's a grocery store that also sells some stuff in bulk. Pretty popular with smaller restaurants. I can always tell which sport fishing boats are going out for multi-day trips when I see the crew in S&F stocking up. It's where we would go to get bulk packages of snacks to re-sell at HS volleyball games when my daughters were playing.

    Anyway, I was at one of ours yesterday; there were maybe 6 other shoppers in there, and the shelves were pretty full. Plenty of 50-lb. bags of po-TAY-toes and 25-lb. bags of carrots, etc. No panic here, yet.

    I wonder how much rice wine or sake you could make with 20 lbs. of rice? At least to make a fair comparison to margaritas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    Do you have Smart & Final where you live? It's a grocery store that also sells some stuff in bulk. Pretty popular with smaller restaurants. I can always tell which sport fishing boats are going out for multi-day trips when I see the crew in S&F stocking up. It's where we would go to get bulk packages of snacks to re-sell at HS volleyball games when my daughters were playing.

    Anyway, I was at one of ours yesterday; there were maybe 6 other shoppers in there, and the shelves were pretty full. Plenty of 50-lb. bags of po-TAY-toes and 25-lb. bags of carrots, etc. No panic here, yet.

    I wonder how much rice wine or sake you could make with 20 lbs. of rice? At least to make a fair comparison to margaritas.
    I used to re-sell Blow Pops from there in high school. We don't have any out here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    50-lb. bags of po-TAY-toes.
    Won't last Samwise Gamgee very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    Won't last Samwise Gamgee very long.
    Definitely not enough for second breakfast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    Are they susceptible, RC? If so, never mind my previous post. I gotta take care of the babies!
    Good news, they're not. So they can just eat you with no re-purr-cussions.

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    The news says that all stores are out of hand sanitizer and doctors masks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    No sense of emergency here.
    As long as it's not Shitpotle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by the one ring View Post
    As long as it's not Shitpotle.
    Were you one of those who got sick eating at Chipotle?
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    Haven't been able to get masks here for a while. Hand sanitiser is almost impossible to find, certainly all of the super markets are out but I got some big bottles from chemist (pharmacist) yesterday. Toilet paper on the other is as rare as hens teeth. My local fully restocked the shelves over night and it was all gone within 10 minutes of opening. Seriously there were people pushing large shopping trolleys filled only with toilet paper out of the store. I did point out to them that it is a respiratory virus not an explosive gastro bug.

    On a side not, unless you are sick, you should not be wearing masks. There is a world wide shortage of them and they should be kept solely for people with the virus, to stop them spreading airborn particles, and by those treating the sick. Wearing a mask in public will not stop you from getting sick.

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    The wipe dispenser at the store this evening, the one for wiping cart handles, was completely out and the lid was jacked open, like someone swiped all the wipes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
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    Wow, I don't want to meet the girl that would normally wear that bra, look how far apart those cups are.

    As for mask alternatives, I think I just found a pic of what DJ is using and why he has no sense of emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    On a side not, unless you are sick, you should not be wearing masks. There is a world wide shortage of them and they should be kept solely for people with the virus, to stop them spreading airborn particles, and by those treating the sick. Wearing a mask in public will not stop you from getting sick.
    I've already seen a few discarded on the ground during my dog walks. Pretty soon it'll be the new poop bag fad.
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