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    Do you know how to drive with a stickshift?

    Just wondering. I'm looking at cars, and its almost impossible to find something without a automatic..
    If i find somthing with a stick, it seems that either the clutch is worn out or the transmission is scraping in some gears. This is in my price range atleast..
    So do you guys know how to drive a stick?

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    It was the first type if car i drove. I remember being 9 yrs old n my drunk dad telling me, mijo you drive im drunk. It was a 40 mile drive home lol. Good times .

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    Driving an automatic feels really weird to me. I'd have to tie my left foot to the seat or something.

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    It's how I learned to drive. I hate automatics.
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    Yeah, never driven an automatic before. I think i would hate not to have the gear of my choice.
    My father had an automatic when i was a kid.. 1996 Citroen, always on long trips, we had to go above the speed limit because of this piece of crap automatic. So where the speed limit was 50mph, we had to go 55.

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    I've only driven an automatic once, in Europe automatics are pretty rare. The traditional automatic with fluids and a torque converter is pretty much non existent except in taxis. Paddle shifting with hydraulics changing gears in a regular manual gearbox is starting to catch on, double clutch manuals are becoming more common too - traditional manual gearboxes without the stick and some hydraulics and electronics operating the clutch and stick.

    Still the vast majority of cars still has the traditional clutch and stick over here, I've got 25+ years of driving like that and I feel strangely lost without it.

    My only time in an automatic was kinda rough until I got going. Normally in a new car I do a bit of gentle braking to get a feel for how much the brakes bite, get a feel for the clutch and so on. I started the borrowed automatic car with my left foot on the brake. It's second nature to me never to turn the key unless I have my left foot firmly planted on the clutch, but in this case there were no clutch pedal and I had my left foot on the brake without really thinking about it.
    Next thing I did was to add a bit of gas with my right foot while easing off the "clutch" with my left foot and sure enough the car started to back out of the parking space. I stomped the "clutch" to the floor to let the car coast slowly backwards. The car came to a crashing halt with stuff flying about.
    I selected drive, released the "clutch" and started driving forwards. I decided to feel the brakes out a bit like I always do in a car that's new to me, but used my left foot again and came to another crashing halt as my left foot is used to stomp the clutch pedal to the floor. "Wow, aggressive brakes on this car!" I thought, drove on and came to another crashing stop at the exit of the parking lot..
    Then I realized that I was left foot braking, which is a skill yet to be learned, pulled my left foot to the seat and started using only my right foot. Things went a lot better from then on, I could even stop in a civilized manner..

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    It's a basic life skill, like knowing how to swim....or ride a bike.

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    I hate automatics but my last two vehicles have been auto transmissions. The first was an F-150 SuperCrew with a V8 so I didn't want a manual and my current car is a Honda Element SC. Although they made the E with a manual I wanted the version with the nicer wheels, body matched paint and better stereo and I couldn't get that with a manual. Kind of a fail on Honda's part imo.

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    I'd never choose an AT over a MT. My Jeep is AT, but not by choice. My VW is MT. I drive it 98% of the time.

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    My Infiniti is a stick. I paid extra for it.
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    Love my mt. I've owned 7 cars in the 11years I've been driving. Not a one has been auto.taught my wife how to drive mt. She wrecked her Tiburon gt 6spd, bought her an suv, loves the truck, but hates the fact that its auto lol.

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    I've been driving manual for so long that I actually have trouble driving an automatic. Last summer driving down I-75 in my wife's car, I took an off ramp and instinctively went for the clutch. No clutch in her car. I nearly gave both of us whiplash when I hit the brake pedal like it was a clutch. At least the brakes work really well.

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    1987 VW Jetta
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    All manual.

    Right now, I'm in an automatic Ford Ranger. Got tired of shifting. I'd like to go back to a manual some day.

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    My truck is a auto but it's a silverado duramax, and the Alison has manual override
    My zo6 is stick
    My ws6 is stick

    My mud truck is auto, mainly because it's hard to feather a clutch with 70in tires...

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    The first thing I ever drove was an 87 Freightliner cabover with a 400hp Cummins and a 13spd transmission. I was 12 at the time.
    I drive 10's, 18's, 13's, all the time now. I have driven older Brownie box (dual 4spd trannies), 18's with two speed auxiliaries & two speed axles, 5spds with two speed splitter axles. Even some Allison's set up with manual auxiliary trannies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    It's a basic life skill, like knowing how to swim....or ride a bike.
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    All of my cars were autos until I bought an S2000 a few years ago, although I was able to drive manual before that. I disdain having to drive my other car which is auto now. I'm selling both of them within the year and getting a Forester XT, which will have to be a 5mt. Autos are so boring to drive and I don't care for the way it feels when it shifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    I drive 10's, 18's, 13's, all the time now. I have driven older Brownie box (dual 4spd trannies), 18's with two speed auxiliaries & two speed axles, 5spds with two speed splitter axles. Even some Allison's set up with manual auxiliary trannies.

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    I'm not quite sure what exactly all that means, except it probably involves more than one stick

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    All the crappy drivers I know donít know how to drive (and donít drive one) a stickshift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBoom View Post
    My mud truck is auto, mainly because it's hard to feather a clutch with 70in tires...
    70 in tires? Is your mud truck bigfoot or something?

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    I've been driving for just about two years. Sticks aren't too prevalent in the area where I live, so I learned on an automatic, and I drive an automatic.

    I learned how to drive a stickshift with my uncle last year. Well, not really learned, as that implies there was something to be learned, but I drove one for the first time. Took a few minutes to get used to the clutch and I was fine. The only thing I couldn't get down was an uphill start, and I only got that one day of driving with the stickshift.
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    The only good use for a slush-box is in traffic-jams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    The only good use for a slush-box is in traffic-jams.

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    IDK, think it gives me something to do more often then is a bother.

    Think everyone should learn how to drive with a stick.
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    I'm usually far more attentive in the manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    I'm not quite sure what exactly all that means, except it probably involves more than one stick

    The Brownie boxes use two sticks. There are times when you are shifting so fast that you have to hook your left arm through the steering wheel to move one shifter while shifting the other with your right arm. And no clutch pedal. Just matching RPMs.

    10spds use one shifter with an air operated range shifter integraated in the knob. You shift 1-5, move to high range while going to 6th which is back in the first gear position. Then you row back through the 1-5 positions in high range.
    13spds have an additional air operated splitter that you use to split each of the top four gears. You don't move the shifter for the splits, just move the splitter lever over and rock the throttle to match the RPMs. 13's also have an ultra low first range that is not used in high range. So after going through 1-5 and making the range shift, you pull the shifter into the second gear gate. Then you have 8 selectable gears with the gear splits.
    18spds are similar to the 13 speed, but every gear can be split, high and low range. This allows the engine to remain in a narrow RPM range for optimum power and/or fuel economy. You mostly see 18s in heavy haulers that run over 100,000lbs.

    Ten speed shifter. Notice the range shifter at the front of the knob.


    Thirteen speed shifter. It has the same front range shifter, but also has the red splitter shifter on the side. An 18spd looks similar but the splitter shifter is grey.


    Shift pattern on top of a thirteen.


    Shift pattern on top of an eighteen.
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    Stick shift just seems stupid and impractical to me. However I do have to say that they're fun for racing though.

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    I went from a 5MT WRX to a 4EAT Forester when my wife and I went down to 1 car. Now that she has her own car (she can't drive a manual), I can not WAIT to get back to a manual transmission. Personally, I feel like I have much more control over the car with a manual (I guess, technically thats the point!). They do suck in traffic though . . .
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    Try running a very light flywheel with a stiff grabby High Performance clutch when in a heavy traffic. Not fun after 20 minutes of crawling forward a few feet at a time.
    Rev - slip - rev - slip and bog - rev - move forward a few feet - repeat...
    This was the only time I wished for an automatic.

    Otherwise - 32 years on stick and counting.

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    In my eyes, the only thing an automatic is good for is hill starts.. and thats really no problem with a manual..
    Manual transmission saves you fuel,less drivetrain loss and it gives you the power that you want when you want it.. Just shiftdown once or twice for a overtake or a big hill.

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    On the other end of the spectrum, it's also easier to hypermile, using an MT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spec7 View Post
    I've been driving manual for so long that I actually have trouble driving an automatic. Last summer driving down I-75 in my wife's car, I took an off ramp and instinctively went for the clutch. No clutch in her car. I nearly gave both of us whiplash when I hit the brake pedal like it was a clutch. At least the brakes work really well.
    Ive done that before lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    70 in tires? Is your mud truck bigfoot or something?
    Nope it's just a bog truck 25.5-35(70in) tires are the norm at the big mud holes now.
    I bought it prebuilt I have to transport it on a drop deck trailer and deflate the shocks so the body rests on the tires, so it is under 14'6. 70 isn't even the biggest around here now there is a truck running 88s now.

    And I got neg rep from a guy that said "lies" apparently he didn't understand that bigger is better with mud trucks unlike mnt bikes.

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    Oh, I also had a jeep crawler that had a 5 speed trans connected to a 3 speed xfer case with a rear diff with a internal hi-lo (for 2wd only). So that's a possible 30 forward 6 reverse in 2wd, and 15f 3r in 4x4.

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    Oh and all the new "monster trucks" run 66in hi-flotation tires with the tread cut off. The difference is they run a 1800-2400hp bbc thru a glide and f106s and I just have a 500hp at the most 6bt that runs thru t400, 2 profab tcases (upper is 1-1 lower is 4.27-1) running a set of 24-1 planetaries out of a 50ton crane. Monster trucks have gobs of hp with relatively hi gearing and light light tires and frame, I have decent hp low low gearing but am heavy as hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBoom View Post
    I have decent hp low low gearing but am heavy as hell
    Isn't weight actually a good thing for mudding?

    I know for general off roading and rock crawling a vehicle has to be as light as possible. But when it comes to mudding doesn't weight play an important role because the more weight on the ground the more traction the vehicle will get? And in mud bogs traction supersedes anything else.

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    I feel that people who can't drive a stick really don't know
    how to drive. Anyone can pull a lever to D step on the gas
    and go. If you can't drive a stick you really should learn. I
    learned to drive a car with 3 on the tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Addict View Post
    Isn't weight actually a good thing for mudding?

    I know for general off roading and rock crawling a vehicle has to be as light as possible. But when it comes to mudding doesn't weight play an important role because the more weight on the ground the more traction the vehicle will get? And in mud bogs traction supersedes anything else.
    To a point yes. But when you already weigh 15k with 4-6in tread it gets to be a bit much. The goal of most boggers is to get on top and "float" you can either do that with a ton of hp or being light with flotation tires. My truck is extremely heavy mainly because of the axles and tires and all the subframe that was added because the 25.5-35s destroy trucks because they get too much traction. My center support bar, which is where the lower 4 links weld to, is a 4in diameter solid steel bar (it's was a boom pivot pin on a 385cat excavator) and due to the hi traction and hi stress of the tires that bar has bent like a bow in the center by almost 1/2in.
    Rock crawling is where traction supersedes all else.

    With vtreads, tractor tires, being the new norm you need either lots of hp and really light, or have hi gearing and attempt to float

    Edit-- it anyone doesn't believe me just pm me your email and I'll send ya pics and vids of it in action, I also somewhere have pics and vids of my last truck that had 64s and my jeep too. There is also a race jeep that I bank rolled just look up black widow jeep on YouTube it should show up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    I feel that people who can't drive a stick really don't know
    how to drive. Anyone can pull a lever to D step on the gas
    and go. If you can't drive a stick you really should learn. I
    learned to drive a car with 3 on the tree.
    3 on the tree is annoyingly hard, especially with a cable clutch.

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    I prefer manual gearbox. When I bought my last car I passed on several that I really liked for no other reason than the automatic. I learned to drive in an orange Ford van with a 3 on the tree
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    I hate driving automatics, even when they have those paddle shifters. I always end up mistaking the brake for the clutch, almost sending myself through the front glass.

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    Well i'm European so learning to use a manual box is pretty much mandatory, i've tried an automatic Honda ( Hybrid ) one time and i freaked out, really weird trying to adjust the velocity and power delivery with just the brakes.

    I guess it's just a matter of adjusting one self to the system, i've ridden an "automatic" moto for years but i have no problem switching to a geared one, i bet that if i had to do the same with cars i would get comfortable riding the two after a while.
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    Lol, my first car was a 15 year old Mach 1 Mustang...(1985) it was a stick...but switching between driving a standard and drving a stick, is so, so easy,

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    Standard is stick, so I imagine it would be.
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    I what I meant was it isn't a major task...or at least shouldn't be...

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    You don't get it. Saying you can go from standard to stick no problem is exactly the same as saying you can go from stick to stick. It's obvious you can do that as it is the same thing. What you meant to say is that you can go from a manual (standard, stick, et. al.) to an automatic, no problem.
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    I feel more comfortable in a manual, even though I'm just beginning to drive. Automatics are more confusing to me. I have to tell myself to just turn the key in an auto - I'm used to flooring the clutch and then turning the key to start the manual.
    It took my brother 30 tries to get a stick shift vehicle from start to 1st gear. He kept using to much acceleration, and the car stalled each time.
    Manuals are better to use in winter, since you have more control over the vehicle, and they are more fuel efficient, provided you drive safely, of course .
    What's sad is that drivers' ed isn't teaching manual to students anymore, but it should be mandatory.
    I'll take a manual any day over an auto.
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    Lol...my bad I meant automatic...been driving since. 1983.. before most if you guys were born...sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
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    I don't want the car to think for me - I want to think for my car.
    Best. Line. Ever. I feel the same way about all of the technology infusion cars have been getting lately. If you can't ****ing parallel park, don't. You don't get the good spots, **** you and your car that does a skilled driving technique for you. Lazy bastards.
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    The first manual transmission car I drove was a 1962 MGA. First car I owned (back in the mid '80's) was a 1968 Chevrolet Corvair coupe 4-speed w/ 110 HP engine. My GF has 6-speed manual Acura- they make the best shifting transmission today IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    I feel the same way about all of the technology infusion cars have been getting lately. If you can't ****ing parallel park, don't.
    So ... you don't want power steering, ABS, ESP, disc brakes, seatbelts, electronic ignition, airbags etc ?
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    Learned to drive on a stick and that's all I own today. I'm another one of the guys that also used to have a 3-speed on the tree in an old 57 Chevy truck. That truck also had a floor starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trees138 View Post
    All of my cars were autos until I bought an S2000 a few years ago, although I was able to drive manual before that. I disdain having to drive my other car which is auto now. I'm selling both of them within the year and getting a Forester XT, which will have to be a 5mt. Autos are so boring to drive and I don't care for the way it feels when it shifts.
    I really wish you the best in finding a 5MT FXT. Awesome cars but even when they were making them I knew guys who had to drive all over the country to get a manual version.

    I would say budget a plane ticket and hotel rooms for you and a friend in to your purchase

    When I blew up the built automatic in my WRX I swapped in a built 5speed and taught myself how to drive stick. I'd only driven stick once or twice beforehand but knew that I wanted a standard transmission in this car.

    Automatic is fine for cruising around town but I definitely pay more attention when I'm driving a standard.

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    Don't traditional torque converter automatics suck/waste like 30 percent of the engine's power, since there is never a direct connection to the engine? Any car guys know for sure?

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    Anyone use both feet to drive an automatic? MOST annoying thing ever to be in and behind of

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Best. Line. Ever. I feel the same way about all of the technology infusion cars have been getting lately. If you can't ****ing parallel park, don't. You don't get the good spots, **** you and your car that does a skilled driving technique for you. Lazy bastards.
    Thanks . I absolutely agree. Who the bloody f*#&% needs all those extra features? I don't want internet access from my car. And all this automated parking BS proves how lazy drivers have become. Before you know it, cars will made to do all the work for you, and we'll be slaves to the car's computer. Why the f*&% would I want some stupid robot to drive the vehicle? These so-called 'smart cars' are actually a lot dumber that most people give them credit for, and the drivers are even dumber for buying them in the first place. 'Lazy bastards' is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Don't traditional torque converter automatics suck/waste like 30 percent of the engine's power, since there is never a direct connection to the engine? Any car guys know for sure?
    Some of the older tc would waste around 15-20%, but modern converters lock up while in gear so nothing is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    So ... you don't want power steering, ABS, ESP, disc brakes, seatbelts, electronic ignition, airbags etc ?
    Uh, seat belts came out in the '60s . He's referring to all the ridiculous computerized [email protected] in newer cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBoom View Post
    Some of the older tc would waste around 15-20%, but modern converters lock up while in gear so nothing is lost.
    Thanks, I wasn't sure as they often seem a little slower in the 0 to 60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
    Uh, seat belts came out in the '60s . He's referring to all the ridiculous computerized [email protected] in newer cars.
    Some of the computerized stuff is lame; but some of the this technology has really helped pump out more power while reducing fuel usage and making up for the loss of power brought on by emission control equipment.

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    My Chevy K1500 is a manual 5-speed. It seems so much faster than the automatics. I have been looking at getting a Suburban as it would be more practical for my use. I don't think they have made a manual shifting Suburban in 30 years.

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    There were only five 2012 VW Passat TDI SE with 6 speed manuals in the state of California when I bought mine in mid February this year, in a state with 38 million people. Totally worth searching it out and doing the drive to go buy it.


    I wish VW would offer a stripped, less than Sport model, more like a basic passat SE 6 manual gearbox in their Touareg TDI 3.0 Turbo diesel 4 Motion, with a trailer hitch factory, for a real Sport UTILITY Vehicle usable for towing. Key word, VW...... UTILITY, not a Poor Mans Porsche Cayenne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Thanks, I wasn't sure as they often seem a little slower in the 0 to 60.
    That has nothing to do with torque converter lockup.TC's do not lock up during full throttle applications.
    It has more to do with the fluid flow and vane geometry inside the TC, higher power engines, improved throttle response from fuel injection, etc...

    It mostly has to do with the old blue hair behind the wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post
    That has nothing to do with torque converter lockup.TC's do not lock up during full throttle applications.
    It has more to do with the fluid flow and vane geometry inside the TC, higher power engines, improved throttle response from fuel injection, etc...

    It mostly has to do with the old blue hair behind the wheel.

    In stock config I would agree that in most instances an auto is slower than a manual but, throw in a lot of hp or not enough traction and a auto almost always wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    There were only 5 2012 VW Passat TDI SE with 6 speed manuals in the state of California when I bought mine in mid February this year, in a state with 38 million people. Totally worth searching it out and doing the drive to go buy it.


    I wish VW would offer a stripped, less than Sport model, more like a basic passat SE 6 manual gearbox in their Touareg TDI 3.0 Turbo diesel 4 Motion, with a trailer hitch factory, for a real Sport UTILITY Vehicle usable for towing. Key word, VW...... UTILITY, not a Poor Mans Porsche Cayenne.
    same with the jeeps. it comes loaded down with so many options. did some weight calculations, i figured i saved around a 1000 lbs not getting the auto and all the other crap. i just wish they had a engine diesel option also here in north america. though a engine swap is always a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsilva View Post
    So ... you don't want power steering, ABS, ESP, disc brakes, seatbelts, electronic ignition, airbags etc ?
    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
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    This. OBV.

    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Some of the computerized stuff is lame; but some of the this technology has really helped pump out more power while reducing fuel usage and making up for the loss of power brought on by emission control equipment.
    Yeah, the fuel economy advancements are rad. I'm referring to the "creature comforts" as they are colloquy known. Heated steering wheels, GPS, auto parallel parking, heated (and now probably cooled) seats; the stupid **** that is completely unnecessary. While I get the "added safety" of reverse cameras, what the **** ever happened to paying damn attention?
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    Somehow I felt like this GPS-powered story would fit in this thread quite well: Woman drives onto T tracks in Brookline while eyeing GPS - Brookline - Your Town - Boston.com

    My dream future car has a MT, a clutch, a carburetor engine and as little electronics abuse-able by dealerships, law enforcement authorities or insurance companies as possible. Yeah, not going to happen, I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Don't traditional torque converter automatics suck/waste like 30 percent of the engine's power, since there is never a direct connection to the engine? Any car guys know for sure?
    Quote Originally Posted by WarBoom View Post
    Some of the older tc would waste around 15-20%, but modern converters lock up while in gear so nothing is lost.
    SS, they only lock up in top gear, for highway fuel economy. In the lower gears, there isn't lockup, and you do indeed lose a lot of power whirling all that fluid around. That is why automatics are slower when accelerating as you noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    SS, they only lock up in top gear, for highway fuel economy. In the lower gears, there isn't lockup, and you do indeed lose a lot of power whirling all that fluid around. That is why automatics are slower when accelerating as you noted.
    Thanks for education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    That is why automatics are slower when accelerating as you noted.
    That is assuming the stick shift guy (say me) is pretty proficient with the stick and pedals.

    Anyway, who is racing in traffic? I can get to highway speeds without causing any traffic jams, even shifting twice manually to get there

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    That is assuming the stick shift guy (say me) is pretty proficient with the stick and pedals.

    Anyway, who is racing in traffic? I can get to highway speeds without causing any traffic jams, even shifting twice manually to get there
    I can speed shift without the clutch, does that count?

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    I always though that AT gives you a little extra torque when accelerating from a dead stop thanks to all the energy stored in the torque converter/flywheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    I always though that AT gives you a little extra torque when accelerating from a dead stop thanks to all the energy stored in the torque converter/flywheel.
    It does if you power brake but power braking a stock tc can cause balloning or case bursts which is about as bad as it gets lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    It's how I learned to drive. I hate automatics.
    You and me both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarBoom View Post
    It does if you power brake but power braking a stock tc can cause balloning or case bursts which is about as bad as it gets lol
    This, you can brake-torque an automatic which will rev the motor up to the stall speed of the torque converter and get a good launch from a standing stop.

    Most drag cars have upgraded torque converters with higher rated stall speeds. On my old automatic, I could launch my WRX at 4100rpms with full boost, peel all four tires for a split second and then have a perfectly repeatable 1.6-1.8sec 60ft time at the drag strip. The stock torque converter wouldnt let you launch at such a high rev so the car would bog down.

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    Autotragic, stick shift all the way

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    I've owned three stickshift cars. I currently own an automatic but I got to good of a deal on it to be that picky. My next car will be a 6 speed manual rwd two door with 8 cylinders and two turbos.
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    nothing like a stick

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    love the front sus. what's up with the large hub in front?

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    Ive only owned MT's. The new breed of AT's really do offer higher performance and faster times than manuals though. The more power a car has, the better the AT's usually are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Some of the computerized stuff is lame; but some of the this technology has really helped pump out more power while reducing fuel usage and making up for the loss of power brought on by emission control equipment.
    Fuel efficient vehicles are nothing new. They were actually quite common in the 80s. Cars back then had an average of 40 mpg on the highway.
    Electric cars are OK, if you can afford them, but they will give you one heck of an electric bill. Is it cheaper than using a gas powered vehicle? I don't know - there are many variables to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    This. OBV.



    Yeah, the fuel economy advancements are rad. I'm referring to the "creature comforts" as they are colloquy known. Heated steering wheels, GPS, auto parallel parking, heated (and now probably cooled) seats; the stupid **** that is completely unnecessary. While I get the "added safety" of reverse cameras, what the **** ever happened to paying damn attention?
    Paying attention??!! HORRORS!!!
    Drivers certainly don't pay attention as much as they used to.
    Don't forget about internet access - now who the f*&% would need that in their vehicle?
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    Something I notice regularly with folks riding and climbing on mountain bikes... the ones that ping and crunch their cassettes and ring gears on climbs while shifting, due to not letting off on the pedal pressure during the shift, are the same folks that drive automatics and no matter how many times you tell them they are wrecking their chain and cassette, and the proper way to shift, they never learn and still don't "get it" about shifting and power application needing to be let off while shifting, or throttling back on the power application and rev matching, something a manual teaches you quite quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    love the front sus. what's up with the large hub in front?
    Someone tipped me off that it is a drum brake, which is what I would have guessed EXCEPT that I can't figure out how it is actuated. I see a lever for the rear rim brake, but nothing for the front drum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    Someone tipped me off that it is a drum brake, which is what I would have guessed EXCEPT that I can't figure out how it is actuated. I see a lever for the rear rim brake, but nothing for the front drum.
    It is an automatic front brake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSlow35th View Post
    My next car will be a 6 speed manual rwd two door with 8 cylinders and two turbos.
    You don't like the sound of 10 or 12 cylinders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    It is an automatic front brake.
    Like a surge brake on a trailer, I guess. What could possibly go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perttime View Post
    You don't like the sound of 10 or 12 cylinders?
    I love them actually. But im not wealhy enough to afford anything I would actually want to drive with a 10 or a 12 in it. I'm not a big Viper fan and all of the italians/germans/europeans are to rich for my blood. My goal is to someday own a Lamborghini Gallardo with a UGR stage 2 kit though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
    Paying attention??!! HORRORS!!!
    Drivers certainly don't pay attention as much as they used to.
    Don't forget about internet access - now who the f*&% would need that in their vehicle?
    Cars can access the Internet now? Holy ****-balls. I'm going to die commuting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Cars can access the Internet now? Holy ****-balls. I'm going to die commuting.
    I'm just waiting until cars get the "blue screen of death", then we'll know the future has arrived.

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    Does that still happen to computers? I thought it was like polio, a huge problem for a little while but pretty much eradicated at this point. I really want to see a car catch a blue screen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Does that still happen to computers? I thought it was like polio, a huge problem for a little while but pretty much eradicated at this point. I really want to see a car catch a blue screen.
    I use Macs, but with PCs anything is possible.

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    Never owned anything but manual until a couple months ago.

    Wife's new car is an auto (or DSG). I still look for the clutch every time I drive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Cars can access the Internet now? Holy ****-balls. I'm going to die commuting.
    Yeah, newer cars can. This means that the vehicle can be potentially compromised by hackers.
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    Ive driven manuals all my life, last 2 were manual 4WD's, bought a new auto 4WD this time and wont go back. Getting old and lazy, just need to cruise slowly and get there now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I use Macs, but with PCs anything is possible.
    With PC's anything is possible; with Mac's, nothing is possible.





    I'm making jokes over here, let's not turn this into a PC v. Mac thread.

    Hackers ****ing up your ride. Sounds sick. I want to see that YouTube video. "My car was overtaken by hackerzzz lolzzorz!!!1!!!"
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    Never owned an automatic. Learned on a stick, I don't think I'd ever consider an auto.

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    Its hard finding a stick these days. My most recent car (Jetta) wasn't easy to get. I went to a several dealers and found a total of 3 stick shift wagons.

    Its hard finding a stick these days. My most recent car (Jetta) wasn't easy to get. I went to a several dealers and found a total of 3 stick shift wagons.[/QUOTE]

    Everyone should know how to drive a stick. I agree that its an essential skill. One of my pet peeves is that modern cars are designed to involve the driver as little a possible. A stick forces the driver to pay attention and actually drive the car.
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    If I have to miss work because my car has a virus, do I use sick leave?

    I grew up on a farm and absolutely every vehicle on a farm is a stick, and you start driving them all at a fairly young age. I was always very short for my age and until my sophomore year in high school I had to stand on the clutch of all of them because my leg wasn't long enough to depress it far enough to shift. And then I had to "bounce" the tractor clutch because I wasn't heavy enough for it's liking. Man it was tricky shifting that thing.

    So yes I normally drive a stick and yes I have trouble driving an automatic. The stomping left foot and wandering right hand seem to go away pretty quickly, but there are quite a few other issues already being discussed on this thread that I'm not too crazy about. I have read some things about CVTs though that make me want to test drive one, just to see for myself.
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    Six speed manual toy:

    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    With PC's anything is possible; with Mac's, nothing is possible.





    I'm making jokes over here, let's not turn this into a PC v. Mac thread.

    Hackers ****ing up your ride. Sounds sick. I want to see that YouTube video. "My car was overtaken by hackerzzz lolzzorz!!!1!!!"
    It would suck to be driving along and have it happen, and if you're relying on your GPS, I think the hackers would be able to compromise that as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    Never owned an automatic. Learned on a stick, I don't think I'd ever consider an auto.

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    Its hard finding a stick these days. My most recent car (Jetta) wasn't easy to get. I went to a several dealers and found a total of 3 stick shift wagons.

    Its hard finding a stick these days. My most recent car (Jetta) wasn't easy to get. I went to a several dealers and found a total of 3 stick shift wagons.

    Everyone should know how to drive a stick. I agree that its an essential skill. One of my pet peeves is that modern cars are designed to involve the driver as little a possible. A stick forces the driver to pay attention and actually drive the car.
    I completely agree, and yeah, it is unfortunately difficult to find a manual car anymore. Europeans are smart - they all seem to drive stick shift.
    Honda, Volkswagen, Toyota, FIAT, and Hyundai are among the few car manufacturers so still continue making most of their vehicles with manuals, though VW and Hyundai are starting to make more and more automatics - same with Toyota, it seems. Almost all FIATs are manual, and no wonder - they're a big hit in Europe, and they're getting popular in the US because of their fuel efficiency and low price tag.
    Indeed - but that's what many people don't want. They don't want to think. They just want to sit back and be lazy morons. They are even more foolish for driving these vehicles than the car manufacturers who make them.
    It's bad enough that so many drivers use cellphones whilst driving. It's illegal in many states, including my neck of the woods, CT. Funny thing, though - I've even noticed some of the cops to drive whilst talking on a cell. Talk about f*%&ed up. Shut up and drive!!! Distracted drivers are dangerous and reckless drivers.
    It sucks around here for newbies because most of the drivers' ed programs only teach auto. Some may be willing to teach you stick if you bring in a a car with a manual transmission to learn on, though.

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    Yes, I go out of my way to buy a MT car. Here in the U.S. it is getting harder and harder to find them. But I like driving a stick shift -- not really interested in paddle shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
    It would suck to be driving along and have it happen, and if you're relying on your GPS, I think the hackers would be able to compromise that as well.
    right, they could trick you into driving right to them and then take all yer stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
    It would suck to be driving along and have it happen, and if you're relying on your GPS, I think the hackers would be able to compromise that as well.
    GM has offered OnStar for serveral years, which comes with the ability for remote unlocking of doors and remote shutdown. Can anyone find a documented instance of an effective security breach?
    I can barely get my mouth around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    right, they could trick you into driving right to them and then take all yer stuff.
    I'm not sure they'd do that, but hackers are unpredictable. It seems most likely that they would try to get your driver's license info to cause identity theft.

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    GM has offered OnStar for serveral years, which comes with the ability for remote unlocking of doors and remote shutdown. Can anyone find a documented instance of an effective security breach?
    That's a good start, but that's mainly for car-jackers, not necessarily hackers - and even so, this is only GM vehicles.
    But don't start thinking that a car's computer cannot be breached. NO computer with internet access is hack-proof. There is no such thing. There is always some risk, even if you have all the security features you can think of. Hackers will always find a way. Thus creates the balance between hackers and ethical hackers (the ones who create security software and-or work for software security companies).
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    The module involving the internet access wont have any connectivity with anything affecting the operation of the vehicle. The worst thing a hacker could do is shut down your internet connection.
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    Yep. My first car was a '65 Mustang with a 3 speed manual. I hate automatics with a passion. I have owned a few but when car shopping I always chose the stick if I have the option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSlow35th View Post
    The module involving the internet access wont have any connectivity with anything affecting the operation of the vehicle. The worst thing a hacker could do is shut down your internet connection.
    That may be, but you can be tracked that way. A hacker would also probably compromise your email if you were really foolish enough to sign in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecializedWindsor View Post
    That may be, but you can be tracked that way. A hacker would also probably compromise your email if you were really foolish enough to sign in.
    Your computer and your cell phone are much easier and more common to hit. I very seriously doubt any hackers will put forth the effort to break into a vehicle when cell phones are in over abundance and use ALOT of personal information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperSlow35th View Post
    Your computer and your cell phone are much easier and more common to hit. I very seriously doubt any hackers will put forth the effort to break into a vehicle when cell phones are in over abundance and use ALOT of personal information.
    Right now that is true - but watch how many new cars will come with internet access, and watch how many people buy them. Hackers will adapt and strike them, too.
    Email addresses seem to be the most targeted. And sometimes, it can come from just opening an email you think is legit.
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