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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
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    Yeah, I saw that DJ posted his ID after I replied. Folks are quick with the Redtail Hawk ID, sure it's a common big hawk but you have to be careful with the large Buteos. It's not always as it seems.

    When you post a pic you should also give an ID. Not that i'm making rules but you might as well take a shot at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Yeah, I saw that DJ posted his ID after I replied. Folks are quick with the Redtail Hawk ID, sure it's a common big hawk but you have to be careful with the large Buteos. It's not always as it seems.

    When you post a pic you should also give an ID. Not that i'm making rules but you might as well take a shot at it.
    Nah, my ID was at least half an hour before you skimmed my reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Nah, my ID was at least half an hour before you skimmed my reply.
    I guess I worded that wrong. I should have stated that I noticed that you replied to his pic prior to my reply but after I had already replied.

    Does that make sense?


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Yeah, I saw that DJ posted his ID after I replied. Folks are quick with the Redtail Hawk ID, sure it's a common big hawk but you have to be careful with the large Buteos. It's not always as it seems.

    When you post a pic you should also give an ID. Not that i'm making rules but you might as well take a shot at it.
    The red tail is about as clear as it'll get in the 2nd flight pic. DJ and I argue about bird ID's all the time, but I've got nothing to argue about in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    The red tail is about as clear as it'll get in the 2nd flight pic. DJ and I argue about bird ID's all the time, but I've got nothing to argue about in this case.
    We only argued about the mystery bird, Crow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    We only argued about the mystery bird, Crow.
    There was at least 1 other. Not the same level of disagreement, though. It's all in this thread if either of us wants to look. Not me - I'm a bit cranky ATM because my sinuses are exploding and there's no way I'm going to sleep anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    The red tail is about as clear as it'll get in the 2nd flight pic. DJ and I argue about bird ID's all the time, but I've got nothing to argue about in this case.
    I think you guys are taking my post and comment in the wrong way. Iím not saying that DJís ID in this case is wrong, itís not. Iím just saying that people are quick to spit out the ďoh itís a redtail hawkĒ because the birds are fairly common sitting.

    I hope Iím making myself clear in this statement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I think you guys are taking my post and comment in the wrong way. Iím not saying that DJís ID in this case is wrong, itís not. Iím just saying that people are quick to spit out the ďoh itís a redtail hawkĒ because the birds are fairly common sitting.

    I hope Iím making myself clear in this statement.


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    meh, I got your point. I just think there's not much point in saying it unless you actually disagree with the ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I think you guys are taking my post and comment in the wrong way. Iím not saying that DJís ID in this case is wrong, itís not. Iím just saying that people are quick to spit out the ďoh itís a redtail hawkĒ because the birds are fairly common sitting.

    I hope Iím making myself clear in this statement.


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    Definitely, I didnít take it wrong. I agree a Redtail Hawk is a quick go to for most. This one is a Redtail though.

    Harold, Iím not going looking either, Iím about to crash out.
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    Speaking of large buteos that aren't redtails, I'm hoping to start seeing the broad-winged hawks heading north. I'm not in an ideal location to see large numbers of them (large mtn ridges with lots of updrafts for soaring), but I usually do see a few during migration season. If I manage a pic of one, it'll be a tiny little speck in the sky, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    meh, I got your point. I just think there's not much point in saying it unless you actually disagree with the ID.
    Meh, Iím not sure you did or you probably wouldnít have made that statement. My comment was more for BCTJ as a reference. So that is why I said it. Sometimes you need to look closely right? Carry on.


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    Today I learned that woodpeckers tongues are super long and wrap up around their brain to aid in dampening. Pretty interesting.


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    Pileated and Belted kingfisher are two of my favorite birds. I just love how the heavy headed birds fly. Pygmy Owls are awesome flyers too but I very rarely see them. I also really enjoy watching Peregrine falcons. They seem like they can soar on a set course without breaking plane forever yet never flap their wings. I've seen a bunch this summer. Night hawks too. They put on a great sunset/sunrise show squeaking about. Occasionally I camp on a precipice in WA where they dive bomb right in front of you. Their feathers make a very audible hum.
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    Chuckie (mine...well., not 'mine' he's free to leave...but he sticks around and flies along on rides too)The Bird Thread...-chucky.jpg
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    dammit dammit dammit. had two bird species on my deck this morning that are first time visitors. They didn't stay still long enough for me to get any pics, unfortunately.

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    looks like migration along the eastern flyway is in full swing.

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    Lousy shot, they were too far away, but I came across this flock (?) of birds on a ride today. My first thought was vultures or buzzards but I couldn't see them well enough to really know. Then one flew a little bit and I saw the ends of its wings were white. I first googled "turkey buzzard" but the images I brought up had too much white. A little more searching and I believe they were Black Vultures.
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    Turkey Vultures have the iconic Red Head that Black Vultures do not.
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    Its some kind of bird.

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    Mandarin duck found in Central Park becomes viral sensation.

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    This one came by for the first time about a week ago. Some kind of wren?The Bird Thread...-img_1244-2-.jpg


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    [QUOTE=MOJO K;13870769]This one came by for the first time about a week ago. Some kind of wren?Click image for larger version. 

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    Looks like a Nuthatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOJO K View Post
    This one came by for the first time about a week ago. Some kind of wren?Click image for larger version. 

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    white-breasted nuthatch.

    Nuthatches like to point down on vertical surfaces like branches and tree trunks. I get both the white-breasted


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    and brown-headed nuthatches. the brown-headed nuthatch is noticeably smaller


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    Great Wren shots boys.


    That Mandarin Duck story is pretty cool. The New Yorkers are getting quite a thrill out of such sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Great Wren shots boys.


    That Mandarin Duck story is pretty cool. The New Yorkers are getting quite a thrill out of such sight.
    Wren is my grand daughterís middle name.

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    Mandarin duck

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    Beautiful bird. These were taken in near Interlaken, Switzerland this past summer. Some of these have been posted before.

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    The Bird Thread...

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    This one came by for the first time about a week ago. Some kind of wren?Click image for larger version. 

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    Where are you located? It looks like a white breasted nuthatch to me. But I canít be certain unless I know itís range covers your area.

    Edit: Iím certain that it is a white breasted nuthatch. And wow sorry but Iím part of an echo in here. I didnít see the other post after yours. When logged in it went to your post, the first new one for me. But I think weíve IDíd it correctly. Theyíre very common in my world and I love that bird theyíre kind of funny little birds that go in any direction they please on trees, houses, feeders etc...



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    Quote Originally Posted by tmbrown View Post
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    I think somebody lost their pet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WHALENARD View Post
    I think somebody lost their pet.
    That duck has been living off the grid.

    Amazing shots C2L, lucky you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Great Wren shots boys.
    those aren't wrens. they're nuthatches.

    THIS is a wren (Carolina wren)


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    Harold's keeping us straight on these things!

    Thanks Harold!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    Harold's keeping us straight on these things!

    Thanks Harold!
    Yep, Like the Redtail ID of the Sharp Shinned Hawk? Or the the mis IDíd White Faced Ibis a while back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    those aren't wrens. they're nuthatches.

    THIS is a wren (Carolina wren)


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    LOL
    Serves me right for following a previous ID without really looking on a small cell phone screen. I know both of those species I just jumped the gun following MOJOís ID. Apparently a little more scrutinizing before posting is in order on my end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
    Its some kind of bird.

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    No one ever identified this beautiful bird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Yep, Like the Redtail ID of the Sharp Shinned Hawk? Or the the mis IDíd White Faced Ibis a while back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
    No one ever identified this beautiful bird.
    Itís a raptor of some kind.

    Iím in bed sick as a dog with the flu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Itís a raptor of some kind.

    Iím in bed sick as a dog with the flu.
    Speedy Recover DJ. I already got the flu in mid-October so, since I survived, I guess that means I won't get it again this year, I think.

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    No pix but I got some good bird views on a gravel ride last weekend. First was a black vulture that was chowing down on some road kill on the side of the road. Then some turkey vultures flying overhead, I recognized the greater white on the underside from the images when I looked them up and though high up, the heads looked red (thanks C2L). Twice I was chasing a large bird down the road but it was too low for me to see under it and I couldn't even make out much about their colors from my viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
    No one ever identified this beautiful bird.
    Iím pretty certain itís a buteo but not a clue as to the species.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
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    Nope nor was implying that, especially me. Sorry, I was just giving ya a hard time.
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    Itís a raptor of some kind.

    Iím in bed sick as a dog with the flu.
    That sucks! Feel better quickly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Iím pretty certain itís a buteo but not a clue as to the species.


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    Which is a different name for raptor, buzzard or hawk. Which refers to its general description and not species. So my comment above of it being a raptor is spot on with your buteo reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Which is a different name for raptor, buzzard or hawk. Which refers to its general description and not species. So my comment above of it being a raptor is spot on with your buteo reference.

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    Changing the subject a bit - but the usage of "buzzard" when I was growing up (midwest and southeast) was different from this wiki description. Nobody I ever met has ever used "buzzard" interchangeably with "hawk". I know the term gets used this way in Europe, but every use of the word I have heard in the US swapped it interchangeably with vulture. I personally don't like using it because of this weird inconsistency in use.

    I'll also point out that your "raptor" ID is not SPOT ON with the buteo ID. Raptor is the more general term - it can refer to any bird of prey from vultures, falcons, kites, or hawks. Buteos are a subset of hawks that are soaring hawks (as opposed to agile forest hawks). Both are correct, but let's not get a big head :-p FWIW red-tailed hawks are buteos (Buteo jamaicensis). So are red-shouldered hawks, broad-winged hawks, Swainson's hawks, and some others.

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    I as well have never used the term or heard anyone use the term buzzard to deccribe the common term hawk which is used commonly in the USA. Bueto being the same as raptor has also escaped my terminology list. I always say itís a hawk in reference to a raptor that is too far away and unidentifiable. Of course many other birds of prey fall under the raptor umbrella. I guess it all comes down to what part of the world you grew up in and what the common terminology of that area is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
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    Staring at a bunch of images of hawks in flight in my field guide and trying to match up field marks. Some of what I can see suggests a juvenile red-tailed hawk (darker head, , but I'm not 100% convinced. The pic quality and angle aren't good enough for me to see what I want. A good field mark for a red-tail in flight is a dark leading edge of the inner part of the wing. Pretty sure I see that, but lighting and angle of the photo obscure that part of the wing. Juvenile red-tails should have horizontal bars on the tail, and again, lighting and angle make that one even more difficult to see. The darker "belly band" is pretty clear, at least, which according to my field guide is pretty distinctive for eastern red-tails.

    I compared, in particular, to the broad-winged hawk, which has a similar whitish underside. The broad-winged hawk lacks the darker "belly band". Adults have distinctive dark bands on the tail, but juveniles lack that mark. Broad-winged hawks also lack the dark leading edge on their inner wing. Broad-winged hawks also have a pointier wing tip, though this pic doesn't show that terribly well because of the angle of the observer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Lol
    I as well have never used the term or heard anyone use the term buzzard to deccribe the common term hawk which is used commonly in the USA. Bueto being the same as raptor has also escaped my terminology list. I always say itís a hawk in reference to a raptor that is too far away and unidentifiable. Of course many other birds of prey fall under the raptor umbrella. I guess it all comes down to what part of the world you grew up in and what the common terminology of that area is.
    Buteo is not a regional term. It's a scientific one.

    My field guide describes buteos as such:

    Buteos are chunky hawks with broad wings and short, wide tails.They may soar for hours at a time with hardly a flap of their wings, and they often perch in the open. Over most of North America, the red-tailed hawk is the Buteo that is seen most frequently.
    Accipiters are the other major subgroup of hawks, which are described thus:

    Accipiters are slim hawks with relatively short rounded wings and long tails. They often hide inside the woods, where they pursue prey (including small birds) with stealth and agility. When out in the open, they usually fly with several quick wingbeats followed by a glide, although they do sometimes soar.

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    At first I thought of juvenile Redtail as well, but then I went to Coopers Hawk. I didnít want to go out on a limb and say it was either if I wasnít 100% on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Buteo is not a regional term. It's a scientific one.
    Well that explains why I have never used that term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    At first I thought of juvenile Redtail as well, but then I went to Coopers Hawk. I didnít want to go out on a limb and say it was either if I wasnít 100% on it.
    Cooper's hawks are accipiters, and you can rule them out simply based on the shape of the tail. But for marks, it looks like ALL Cooper's have distinctive dark bands on the tail. They also lack the dark wingtips (though that is very common among buteos).

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    I've never heard of a hawk as being referred to as a buzzard, either. Sounds completely wrong to me.

    Driving to work today, I pulled over into the NPS park I pass by to make a phone call. As I sat there in the parking lot, a red tailed hawk flew up and landed in a tree twenty feet in front of me and probably ten feet off the ground. He/she stayed there a good while and then flew down, swopping within a couple of feet of my passenger door window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    I've never heard of a hawk as being referred to as a buzzard, either. Sounds completely wrong to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzzard

    Lists like this are why I don't use the word at all. It's so vague to be meaningless. Sometimes it refers to buteos, but many times not. Some very distantly related birds have the word "buzzard" in their common names, but nothing is consistent.

    The meaning I grew up with appears WAY down at the bottom of the list as "colloquial". Not even the backwoods hill people farther back in my family tree in the southern Appalachians referred to any hawks as "buzzards". The word exclusively meant vultures (usually turkey vultures, but could also refer to black vultures).

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    I saw another bird this morning - my wife wouldn't pull over the car so I could take a photograph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE View Post
    Lol
    I as well have never used the term or heard anyone use the term buzzard to deccribe the common term hawk which is used commonly in the USA. Bueto being the same as raptor has also escaped my terminology list. I always say itís a hawk in reference to a raptor that is too far away and unidentifiable. Of course many other birds of prey fall under the raptor umbrella. I guess it all comes down to what part of the world you grew up in and what the common terminology of that area is.
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    Buteo is not a regional term. It's a scientific one.

    My field guide describes buteos as such:



    Accipiters are the other major subgroup of hawks, which are described thus:
    As Harold states here; Buteo being a Genus subset of the birds of prey or the raptor family and also Accipiters, Falcons, Vultures, Eagles, Harriers, Owls and Kites to name a few but using some the common names sprinkled in with the scientific Genus names. Ospreys are unique in that they are a lone species of a genus.

    I usually like to or hope to be able to at least identify the genus, which really narrows things down in trying to determine the species. Recognizing the overall size, body and wing and tail shapes are good to focus on. I learned this in the field when I was younger and especially when I duck hunted a lot. When hunting on a federal managed waterfowl game area, you were tasked with knowing how to ID ducks on the wing and usually just seeing the silhouettes without any colors. If you made mistakes it could be costly as you were required to bring your kill in for the survey. I remember a guy once throwing a Redhead duck (protected) on the table telling the federal biologist it was a male Ringneck which are both in the Aythya Genus. Very subtle differences between them but if youíre not sure you donít shoot. Ouch that cost the guy $100 on the spot and he lost the duck as well.

    This IDíg issue is often the case with raptors, fleeting or soaring looks that are backlit and just silhouettes.



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    New bird!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
    New bird!

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    Ring-billed gull

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    Red-Tail Hawk (I think).

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    Good call and good shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCTJ View Post
    Red-Tail Hawk (I think).

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    Looks about right. Shows the "belly band" of darker feathers across the lower breast really well.

    Yesterday on my way home from my ride, I saw a larger hawk perched on a powerline right over the road. It was in a bad spot, but I briefly considered stopping to try to take a pic. It had its back to me, so I didn't get a very good view of it. Just based on its size, I thought it was probably a redtail, but I didn't have a good view of any other identifying marks. I was also rather surprised that such a large bird was perched on the LINE, and not the top of the post (where I usually see them).

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