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    5G is coming!

    Much is being made of the advent of 5G technology and how this will provide a quantum shift in the quality of our lives and in our connectivity. Do we need it, and should we do more research into the real health risks?

    You can find a myriad articles that extoll the safety and virtue of 5G, and on closer investigation, these all seem to base their conclusions on old science which glosses over the fact that really very little research has been done on the long term implications of 5g. Here is an article from October that speaks into this:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ve-5g-is-safe/

    There is a wide body of reputable opinion in the scientific community that is of the opinion that there may indeed be health risks involved, and that more studies should be made before subjecting us all to this technology. "Oh it's non-ionising so quite safe!" they say. But that is not the whole story.
    Unfortunately, once again expediency in rolling all this out as fast as possible seems to have trumped good sense, and we are the inevitable guinea pigs.
    It is widely reported that the incidence of certain cancers has increased since greater use of cell phones/towers and connected devices, but these reports are minimized by those who stand to benefit from the technology, as are most negatively slanted reports. I personally am far from being a Luddite, and have embraced new technology as it has been developed over the last few decades, but I believe we are getting ahead of ourselves without due diligence being made.

    Apart from the potential for health risks, there is another whole area of concern for our privacy which will be compromised once this level of connectivity becomes commonplace. But this is another story!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Much is being made of the advent of 5G technology and how this will provide a quantum shift in the quality of our lives and in our connectivity.
    My quality of life is in no way connected to my connection speed.
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    Donít hold your breath Ė weíre in ímericuh. You can be sure that AT&T will be throttling their bandwidth (as they have been all along).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredcook View Post
    My quality of life is in no way connected to my connection speed.
    Good thing that isn't what the thread is related to then.

    Didn't see it written above and 'searched' the article for the work quality and it didn't come up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest Rider View Post
    Good thing that isn't what the thread is related to then.

    Didn't see it written above and 'searched' the article for the work quality and it didn't come up.
    I was referring to the original post...

    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Much is being made of the advent of 5G technology and how this will provide a quantum shift in the quality of our lives and in our connectivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leopold Porkstacker View Post
    Donít hold your breath Ė weíre in ímericuh. You can be sure that AT&T will be throttling their bandwidth (as they have been all along).
    Blazing fast 100-400Mbs, 2GB limit. After that, it will be throttle down to 2G speeds. But it will still be advertised as "Unlimited" because their definition of "Unlimited" is different than ours.

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    I don't have cell service at my house I'm not concerned.
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    Good time to get a deal on 4G LTE phones.
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    What I said about quality of life is referenced in many different articles extolling the virtues of 5g and the benefits of living in the "Internet of Things", whatever that is supposed to mean. The article I referenced has different subject matter that supports more investigation and study on the matter.
    Whether or not the bandwidth is throttled, the saturation of the 5g microwave is still present. There will ultimately be emitters everywhere, on lighting poles, on private houses, everywhere. It will be impossible to escape them unless you are in the total boonies, and even then, once satellite technology is fully operational, you may well be getting signals from low orbiting satellites.
    This will potentially affect us all, and the risks are not fully understood.
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    thats why I live in the total boonies. nearest street light is 6 miles away. we are a dark sky community which is cool, but like you said anywhere you go will be saturated with radio frequencies. I saw the musk starlink satellite constellation the other day. it was really cool but scary at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    thats why I live in the total boonies. nearest street light is 6 miles away. we are a dark sky community which is cool, but like you said anywhere you go will be saturated with radio frequencies. I saw the musk starlink satellite constellation the other day. it was really cool but scary at the same time.
    There's nothing like a really dark sky. Many years ago I spent time in the mountains in Northern Iran, and there was zero light anywhere out there. The sky at night was staggeringly beautiful. You would see shooting stars like fireworks all the time, and in those days, very very few satellites!
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    Quote Originally Posted by life behind bars View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredcook View Post
    My quality of life is in no way connected to my connection speed.
    This!

    My wife and I are on an old T-mobile plan where we only got 1GB of data per month, I try to not be on my phone if I am not in a place with free wifi or at home/work. It was rare we went over our cap. For some reason they upgraded us to a 2GB per month/phone plan.

    The plan we have is cheaper than any plan they currently offer and I plan to keep it as long as I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klurejr View Post
    This!

    My wife and I are on an old T-mobile plan where we only got 1GB of data per month, I try to not be on my phone if I am not in a place with free wifi or at home/work. It was rare we went over our cap. For some reason they upgraded us to a 2GB per month/phone plan.

    The plan we have is cheaper than any plan they currently offer and I plan to keep it as long as I can.
    Personally I have no need of super fast internet and the Internet of Things. My house is a smart as it needs to be, ie. not at all, my pressure cooker is not chatting to my fridge, and the vacuum is not sexting with the AC unit. I don't want any Rings, Alexas, Fruitbats or anything that is eavesdropping, and Siri doesn't understand anything I say anyway. It is useful to be able to access web pages fairly quickly, but I have more than enough speed for that now without 5g.
    I hate the idea of really having no say in what we are exposed to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    and Siri doesn't understand anything I say anyway.
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    First time I tried to set up Siri on my ipad, I had it sitting on my desk in the office. My colleague had his on his desk close to it. I tried with a 'Hey Siri!' and the thing replied something at me like 'your wish is my command'... then before I could say anything else, the ipad on my pal's desk chimed in, and before I knew it, the 2 ipads were trying to chat to one another. It was quite surreal, and I have never tried using that function since.
    My car is even more frustrating. If for instance I say to it 'Call my wife', it may come back with 'did you say call Dan Roper?' or another totally random name. I don't even bother any more...
    The only thing that does seem to work seamlessly is the voice search on my Roku box. THAT is awesome and it understands my weird accent perfectly. Maybe I can get it to interpret with my other devices?
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    How ridiculous humanity is. We now have 5G technology which has been reported to carry health risks along with it's use. And yet we move on to embrace it and rejoice it's capabilities. What in the hell is wrong with us?!

    Cancer was only a risk before. Now, we have 5G technology. Cancer for everyone!!!

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    All assertions at this point. One thing is sure. Itís coming.
    With all the real proved bad things we have going on, we should concern ourselves with them. I mean windmills cause cancer, or didnít you hear...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    All assertions at this point. One thing is sure. Itís coming.
    With all the real proved bad things we have going on, we should concern ourselves with them. I mean windmills cause cancer, or didnít you hear...
    Basically, in this day and age, living causes cancer. Now we another contributor to add to the growing list and this one could be a doozie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgzilla View Post
    Basically, in this day and age, living causes cancer. Now we another contributor to add to the growing list and this one could be a doozie.
    Sure, but if you live long enough without carcinogens in the environment you'll probably get cancer. Cell replication is imperfect. Sometimes those mistakes cause uncontrolled cell replication. I'm always curious as to how many people died of "natural causes" in the past, which are now diagnosed as cancer or other conditions, because we are able to. I don't doubt a shift in the multitude of potential influences to cause cancer or other diseases, but how much of our worldview is shaped by what we are allowed to observe by new technologies or procedures.
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    Alcohol, STDs, Opium in all its glorious forms, nicotine, suntans, cellphone radiation, texting while driving, selfie gravity overexposure, high fructose corn syrup......
    Donít think knowing helps about half the population.
    Now 5g. If itís broad overexposure it might save the planet. If you see the Oligarchs and ATT folks wearing shiny new skull caps, might be concerning.
    If itís faster that should reduce screen time, right?
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    I live in California where everything gives you cancer.

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    Even the drugs I take to control my cancer give me other cancer... Damned if you do... As Meat says, these are all assertions until proven, but as long as we are on the course they intend for us, I don't see too much impetus towards due diligence.
    Recent history is littered with examples of new shit being introduced and us finding out too late that these things are actually very dangerous. You all know that, yet many blindly follow down the path of mute acceptance.
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    Did someone say SG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Even the drugs I take to control my cancer give me other cancer... Damned if you do... As Meat says, these are all assertions until proven, but as long as we are on the course they intend for us, I don't see too much impetus towards due diligence.
    Recent history is littered with examples of new shit being introduced and us finding out too late that these things are actually very dangerous. You all know that, yet many blindly follow down the path of mute acceptance.
    Nah
    Itís the punch you donít see coming that gets you.
    History is filled with naysayers that are proven wrong. Where other issues unforeseen come to light way after the fact, that no one saw coming. Forget self driving cars. Years ago ppl feared human operated cars. Most thought cars were stupid, would never take off. The slogan of the day was ďget a horseĒ. Even in crowded cities where the headlines of the day were what are we to do with all this horse crap piling up around us. When cars gained popularity, forget who said a car could never go 500 miles on road, which is where the Indy 500 was born. So many other examples itís silly. 4g and cell phones were going to cause brain cancer...
    5g is made for quick transfer of data for machines to talk to each other. Thatís more concerning to me than health risks probably not associated with non ionizing frequencies. But Eve bit the apple...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finch Platte View Post
    Did someone say SG?

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    Maybe the 5G microwaves will only cause cancer in California?
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
    Maybe the 5G microwaves will only cause cancer in California?
    That's something heyyall would have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Nah
    Itís the punch you donít see coming that gets you.
    History is filled with naysayers that are proven wrong. Where other issues unforeseen come to light way after the fact, that no one saw coming. Forget self driving cars. Years ago ppl feared human operated cars. Most thought cars were stupid, would never take off. The slogan of the day was ďget a horseĒ. Even in crowded cities where the headlines of the day were what are we to do with all this horse crap piling up around us. When cars gained popularity, forget who said a car could never go 500 miles on road, which is where the Indy 500 was born. So many other examples itís silly. 4g and cell phones were going to cause brain cancer...
    5g is made for quick transfer of data for machines to talk to each other. Thatís more concerning to me than health risks probably not associated with non ionizing frequencies. But Eve bit the apple...
    My good friend Barrie didn't see the mesothelioma coming when everyone said asbestos was the new miracle material. By the time the 'naysayers' were listened to it was way too late. The other examples you quoted are just a few examples of stuff that was feared and then not after we mastered the safety and control of these things. Just because some fears were not realized in the past does not necessarily mean that we should ignore due diligence in the future, but I do share your concern at machines inter-communicating and figuring out we are all too dumb to merit further survival in a machine controlled world. I dread the day when I come home and the vacuum trips me up then holds me down like a boa constrictor while the Roomba slowly pounds me to a pulp.
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    Too much fear and dread of living is deadly......

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    I live in California where everything gives you cancer.
    I was at LAX going to get my rental car. there was a sign that said "prop 65 warning. this area is known to cause cancer in the state of california" good thing I was going to hawaii where they do not have cancer areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Kuhl View Post
    I live in California where everything gives you cancer.
    Sorry. You can move to Idaho like all the other Californians....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzarkFathom View Post
    Too much fear and dread of living is deadly......
    No fear or dread of living here, that's the easy part! It's the crap that we are trying to curtail that living with that I object to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark View Post
    Sorry. You can move to Idaho like all the other Californians....
    Foolish move. The acrylamides produced in potatoes when cooked at high temps cause cancer... Idaho is BURSTING with potatoes...
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    i don't trust anything that can be hacked. i got a smart thermostat for a gift one time but i will never install it. also - those car key fob thingies that don't have a key - hate 'em.

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    Once those car key fob thingies start chatting with each other, we are doomed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Once those car key fob thingies start chatting with each other, we are doomed...

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    The thing about hacking potatoes is that when you do, then theyíre fried......

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    I hacked a potato one time and my dog ate it the second it hit the floor. Kinda gross.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NDD View Post
    I hacked a potato one time and my dog ate it the second it hit the floor. Kinda gross.
    That's just doggie love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    That's just doggie love!
    Ha! Yes, love from the kinda animal that tries to lick your face after licking its own butt. Love dogs, but never liked getting licked by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by net wurker View Post
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    famous idaho potato bowl is coming on in a few minutes. place your bets
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    Quote Originally Posted by be1 View Post
    famous idaho potato bowl is coming on in a few minutes. place your bets
    Pointless, cos net already rigged it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    My good friend Barrie didn't see the mesothelioma coming when everyone said asbestos was the new miracle material. By the time the 'naysayers' were listened to it was way too late. The other examples you quoted are just a few examples of stuff that was feared and then not after we mastered the safety and control of these things. Just because some fears were not realized in the past does not necessarily mean that we should ignore due diligence in the future, but I do share your concern at machines inter-communicating and figuring out we are all too dumb to merit further survival in a machine controlled world. I dread the day when I come home and the vacuum trips me up then holds me down like a boa constrictor while the Roomba slowly pounds me to a pulp.
    Sorry about your friend Barry.
    Have lived through so many omg the world is going to end dramas that umm, never happened. Itís something like 90% of things we worry about never happen.
    Could point to endless examples dating way back. But donít want to disagree with you, and instead enjoy getting along with you for a change. How do you like them apples. Lol
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    Breakfast burritos go better with Idaho potatoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Sorry about your friend Barry.
    Have lived through so many omg the world is going to end dramas that umm, never happened. Itís something like 90% of things we worry about never happen.
    Could point to endless examples dating way back. But donít want to disagree with you, and instead enjoy getting along with you for a change. How do you like them apples. Lol
    I hear you on the doomsday scenarios that repeat over, but some stick, and certain less scrupulous entities have it in their interests to sit on or skew some information rather than let truth see the light of day. That is not a tin foil hat reaction, but simple truth. My fear is that 5g is one of those. I hope I'm wrong.
    As for them apples, I just threw out all the friggin' pears that people decided would be good Xmas gifts, so I am ready for a change in this New Year's spirit of reconciliation.
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    No question Orwellís prescience gains in appreciation almost daily now.....Canít even take a piss on the side of the road anymore....
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    Essentially, if the RF is below the visible light spectrum it is safe. If it is above the visible light spectrum then it is ionizing radiation and it is not safe. 5G is below the visible light spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomby Woof (MCM700) View Post
    Essentially, if the RF is below the visible light spectrum it is safe. If it is above the visible light spectrum then it is ionizing radiation and it is not safe. 5G is below the visible light spectrum.
    So they say... I remain skeptical.
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    What if you ionize a potato?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
    What if you ionize a potato?
    Depends on how focused and how powerful the beam is but it would likely cook a lot faster and therefore you could enjoy more potatoes at a time in a given period.

    But, potatoes are bad in so many ways!

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    The new Idaho Potatoes with up to 150% more coverage.

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    I once read on the internet that if you keep a 5g phone near the battery on an E-Bike it will charge the battery.


    Okay, I didn't read it.
    But you did, so as far as you know it has to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forest Rider View Post
    I once read on the internet that if you keep a 5g phone near the battery on an E-Bike it will charge the battery.


    Okay, I didn't read it.
    But you did, so as far as you know it has to be true.

    Happy Sunday everybody. teehee
    Yeah, but if you leave it too long, the battery on the bike will explode...
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    Quick, quick, give me 5G so I can connect faster to the hosts that provide content at 1/10th of that speed! Wait... why do I need faster connectivity? Faster Facebook? Faster fake news? Faster Angry Birds?

    Eh... my bike doesn't need the Internet to work, so all of this really doesn't matter. Nothing to see here... moving on...
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    I'm still waiting for cell service at my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Much is being made of the advent of 5G technology and how this will provide a quantum shift in the quality of our lives and in our connectivity. Do we need it, and should we do more research into the real health risks?

    You can find a myriad articles that extoll the safety and virtue of 5G, and on closer investigation, these all seem to base their conclusions on old science which glosses over the fact that really very little research has been done on the long term implications of 5g. Here is an article from October that speaks into this:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ve-5g-is-safe/

    There is a wide body of reputable opinion in the scientific community that is of the opinion that there may indeed be health risks involved, and that more studies should be made before subjecting us all to this technology. "Oh it's non-ionising so quite safe!" they say. But that is not the whole story.
    Unfortunately, once again expediency in rolling all this out as fast as possible seems to have trumped good sense, and we are the inevitable guinea pigs.
    It is widely reported that the incidence of certain cancers has increased since greater use of cell phones/towers and connected devices, but these reports are minimized by those who stand to benefit from the technology, as are most negatively slanted reports. I personally am far from being a Luddite, and have embraced new technology as it has been developed over the last few decades, but I believe we are getting ahead of ourselves without due diligence being made.

    Apart from the potential for health risks, there is another whole area of concern for our privacy which will be compromised once this level of connectivity becomes commonplace. But this is another story!

    It's not necessarily the type and amount of radiation we are exposed to, it's how our body handles it and if it has the proper resources (as in biochemicals, vitamins, minerals, etc.) to handle it. Up to 85% of cancer is environmental. Yes, a small fraction could be from cell phone-based radiation along with other forms of man-made radiation. But your environment is not just what's around you. It's also what is already inside of you, as in how healthy you are to begin with when any radiation hits you. Animal studies have conclusively proven that antioxidants reduce the risk of cancer, and lack of antioxidants raise cancer risk. And no offense to anyone, but certain ethnic diets like fish & chips don't help. English food is beyond horrible nutritionally. I'm not saying American food is any better, but English food is about the worst 'ethnic' food out there nutritionally. Look at what you are taking into your body first, both good and bad, worry about the outside world second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredcook View Post
    Quick, quick, give me 5G so I can connect faster to the hosts that provide content at 1/10th of that speed! Wait... why do I need faster connectivity? Faster Facebook? Faster fake news? Faster Angry Birds?

    Eh... my bike doesn't need the Internet to work, so all of this really doesn't matter. Nothing to see here... moving on...

    No kidding. 5G will only make people dumber, it will make even more people not know N-S-E-W and what that even means, they will not be able to drive anywhere without a smart phone or Garmin, and their IQ will continue to plummet watching stupid internet videos on their phone all day. If their phone battery dies, they will not even be able to get home. I've actually met people like that, I'm not kidding. They could not even tell me where they lived, not even a cross street, and they were adults, not kids. Technology is making us more stupid, not less.

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    I have one of these, and I know how to use it. I even have a merit badge to prove it.

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    I am amazed how people get lost driving in Phoenix without their phones. it is a grid. almost every car I see has the phone on the dash. I wish it was due to the fact it has to be hands free, but I know they are getting directions. only time I check my phone for driving is to see how traffic is before I leave for the fastest route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richj8990 View Post
    It's not necessarily the type and amount of radiation we are exposed to, it's how our body handles it and if it has the proper resources (as in biochemicals, vitamins, minerals, etc.) to handle it. Up to 85% of cancer is environmental. Yes, a small fraction could be from cell phone-based radiation along with other forms of man-made radiation. But your environment is not just what's around you. It's also what is already inside of you, as in how healthy you are to begin with when any radiation hits you. Animal studies have conclusively proven that antioxidants reduce the risk of cancer, and lack of antioxidants raise cancer risk. And no offense to anyone, but certain ethnic diets like fish & chips don't help. English food is beyond horrible nutritionally. I'm not saying American food is any better, but English food is about the worst 'ethnic' food out there nutritionally. Look at what you are taking into your body first, both good and bad, worry about the outside world second.
    Oh I agree fully! And as a Brit, there is no "English food"... sure, some people eat shit there, but they eat shit everywhere. If you travel in the UK nowadays, you are likely to find the same crap you find most anywhere in the 'developed' world. If you go in a pub these days, and this has been the case for a few decades now, you are likely to be able to get some great international cuisine! Not everywhere of course, but not hard to find.
    I worry greatly about what I eat, but there is huge danger from the "outside world" too... not to be be sniffed at. It is easier to control what i eat, but sadly I have much less control over what I am unwillingly subjected to. That worries me much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azimiut View Post
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    I am amazed how people get lost driving in Phoenix without their phones. it is a grid. almost every car I see has the phone on the dash. I wish it was due to the fact it has to be hands free, but I know they are getting directions. only time I check my phone for driving is to see how traffic is before I leave for the fastest route.
    I used to love orienteering. That was a grueling sport, if it could be described as such. I also LOVE maps. I have boxes of them here, and like nothing more than to pore over them and imagine the places I am seeing. Then I want to follow them there. You cannot get such an overview of places from a phone GPS, but it is a useful tool sometimes.
    I have a particular fondness for old maps. Used to buy a lot on ebay...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Meat View Post
    Whatís a land line???
    It's just one letter away from an uplifting experience...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Meat View Post
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    It's a lot better than a land mine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radium View Post
    It's a lot better than a land mine!
    Or a lard line.
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