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    Okay all you fellow hippies, check in here. Share recipes and other BS, tree-hugger stuff - ethical cycling gear (non-skin) perhaps?

    By the way, do I still get to be part of the club if I'm a strict vegetarian (for ethical reasons) yet have a gun collection and a proud member of the NRA?

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    No. NRA membership voids all treehugging ties

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    I have a lot of respect for vegans. Along with a lot of pity.
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    I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PVR View Post
    I like vegans - taste sort of like chicken.


    Have to use salt and pepper.

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    One of my favorites...

    I love this recipe! It's delicious!
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    Have to use salt and pepper.
    A little minced garlic.
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    How did I know more meat eaters would chime in than vegetarians?

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    Semi serious question...What is the point of Tofurkey? If a vegetarian won't eat turkey for any number of reasons, why do they want their tofu to taste like it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    How did I know more meat eaters would chime in than vegetarians?
    We out number you 5000 to 1?
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    Wife's a vegetarian. I love making Tofu curry... cut firm tofu into 1/2" squares and fry in olive oil. Then mix with veggies, curry powder, cayenne, garlic, and coconut milk. (And whatever I forgot to list). Serve over freshly made jasmine rice.

    Tip as well: We just discovered how awesome the Go Lean sausage in the produce section tastes. Especially if you add a little Cayenne, cumin, and curry powder.

    I still eat meat, and there is nothing in the world I like better than beef. But I also really like a lot of vegetarian foods. Friggin Tempeh burgers brushed with Sriracha sauce and grilled... heaven on a plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Semi serious question...What is the point of Tofurkey? If a vegetarian won't eat turkey for any number of reasons, why do they want their tofu to taste like it?
    It doesn't. If you think a fake meat or cheese substitue tastes exactly like the real thing, you've been vegi/vegan for too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    By the way, do I still get to be part of the club if I'm a strict vegetarian (for ethical reasons) yet have a gun collection and a proud member of the NRA?
    When the revolution comes, you'll have to defend your tofu somehow.

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    Friggin Tempeh burgers brushed with Sriracha sauce and grilled... heaven on a plate.
    That does sound awesome.


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    Gee, we feed the baby bacon formula, wash in bacon soap.....what kind of life is there without bacon???

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    Did you know some bacon bits are vegan!

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    ah, the vegan/vegetarian vs meat eater threads. always the best ever. here we go now!

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    At my house the Indian word for vegetarian is " Poor Hunter " We eat lots of elk. Makes you faster on these loooong rides.
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    tg, that is some imagery. carcasses and bikes. wow.

    i'm marinating a steak as i type.

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    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    I have no problems with hunters who eat what they kill. Like I said, I'm a proud NRA member and a conservative leaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    tg, that is some imagery. carcasses and bikes. wow. Two of my very favorite things.......hunting elk and riding bikes.

    i'm marinating a steak as i type.
    I do a lot of scouting from the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    I have no problems with hunters who eat what they kill. Like I said, I'm a proud NRA member and a conservative leaning.
    I am Vegi, i still eat fish however, so Pesco-Vegi is the proper term.

    I love it, i feel great, it solved some issues i had while eating meat, it uses less resources and can support larger populations, and i still go out and do 260 mile rides.

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    Dharma's in Capitola ... excellent eats after a good ride. Decent beer on tap too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Semi serious question...What is the point of Tofurkey? If a vegetarian won't eat turkey for any number of reasons, why do they want their tofu to taste like it?
    I laugh at that too. I always wonder why vegi meats are made to look at taste like real ones. it could go the other way.

    I have had this business idea for a while. Why not a pure a carnivorian diet?

    --Faux lettuce made from thinly sliced prosciutto colored green like lettuce.
    --Beef heart made into tomatoes
    --Compressed pulled pork "tatertots"
    --Kidney "chunks" beans
    --Filet minon made into.....what? filet minon of course. Need a balance diet her ya know.

    Lets make our vegitables be meat so we can have a pure meat diet. Why should the vegetarians have it all? We can too.
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    Ah, vege people. How wrong you are about your diet, it's incredible.

    Every cell in your body is a product of millions of years of evolution. Evolution which consisted of our ancestors eating meat. Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    You think that just because someone invented food replacement items they are good for you? That because you decided to go against the nature your body will rapidly shed millions of years of need&want in favor of your forced diet?

    Fun fact; no human society / tribe living out of the food they can produce or hunt is vege. Even if they are expert agriculture society, and even if their diet consists mostly out of vegetables and fruit, they will either hunt for fish or other animals to boost their diet.

    Vege type of diet is only possible because your food ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
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    Carnivorous vegan here; vegy diet supplemented with hefty side dishes of beef, pork, poultry, and fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Okay all you fellow hippies, check in here. Share recipes and other BS, tree-hugger stuff - ethical cycling gear (non-skin) perhaps?

    By the way, do I still get to be part of the club if I'm a strict vegetarian (for ethical reasons) yet have a gun collection and a proud member of the NRA?
    my wife is vegan... i'm slowing moving over to the vegetarian. it is a real challange to cook for a vegan. i find that it is making me a better cook and understanding flavors and textures in food. one of the lucky things of the area in which we live is that there is
    a large population of people from all over india. so we have a great slection of vegetarian resturants, ingredients, etc...

    going to try some of this, in homemade vegan sushi rolls

    Vegetarian caviar food fit for a pauper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    Ah, vege people. How wrong you are about your diet, it's incredible.

    Every cell in your body is a product of millions of years of evolution. Evolution which consisted of our ancestors eating meat. Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    You think that just because someone invented food replacement items they are good for you? That because you decided to go against the nature your body will rapidly shed millions of years of need&want in favor of your forced diet?

    Fun fact; no human society / tribe living out of the food they can produce or hunt is vege. Even if they are expert agriculture society, and even if their diet consists mostly out of vegetables and fruit, they will either hunt for fish or other animals to boost their diet.

    Vege type of diet is only possible because your food ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
    I don't even think I could say this reply is poorly researched, I don't even think it is researched at all! Sounds a lot like opinion to me, and we all have a right to our opinion. Please do not try to dress it up as 'fact'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    I have no problems with hunters who eat what they kill. Like I said, I'm a proud NRA member and a conservative leaning.
    I'm a life long vegetarian and now vegan (former roadie and now addicted to dh), My husband (a long time cyclist and now dh'er) is not vegetarian but is slowly converting. He likes to do most of the cooking and has experimented with food combinations that provide optimum nutrition (without the extra empty calories), to convert to energy.

    I've rarely have a proplem with bonking on long rides, I' m strong enough to ride advanced technical trails.

    Please keep this thread alive. There are vegetarians.vegans on MTBR and some who are contemplating a vegetarian (meat-free) diet and would appreciate the imput and experiences from others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simpterfex View Post
    Did you know some bacon bits are vegan!
    Bacos are made from Textured Vegetable Protein (TVP). Invented by a prof still at Stanford, he made a buck or two.
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    I haven't eaten red meat in 45 years, I do fish and eat fish, some dairy, I'm still able to bounce back from crashes, and do a good job at the races, I ride 50 to 100 miles a week on trails, my pre ride meals are oatmeal with lots of berries/banana, or 40 oz. smoothies with everything in the fridge in them,
    I ride the 18.6 mile Potawami trail in Michigan, 2 to 4 times a week, best time 1 hr 42 min, its one of the hardest trails in the area, I'm still improving, I'm only 65 yrs old, I hope to be doing this for a few more years, I don't take any meds, my standing heart rate is 50 bpm.
    I don't know if not eating red meat has helped me, but I don't think its hurt me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manabiker View Post
    I haven't eaten red meat in 45 years, I do fish and eat fish, some dairy, I'm still able to bounce back from crashes, and do a good job at the races, I ride 50 to 100 miles a week on trails, my pre ride meals are oatmeal with lots of berries/banana, or 40 oz. smoothies with everything in the fridge in them,
    I ride the 18.6 mile Potawami trail in Michigan, 2 to 4 times a week, best time 1 hr 42 min, its one of the hardest trails in the area, I'm still improving, I'm only 65 yrs old, I hope to be doing this for a few more years, I don't take any meds, my standing heart rate is 50 bpm.
    I don't know if not eating red meat has helped me, but I don't think its hurt me.
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    We might disagree on motorcycles Manabiker, but not on diet! I have never been a big meat eater, but recently have cut out dairy, refined sugars and flours as much as possible, and base my intake on plant-based rather than animal based products. I try and eat foods that are clean and as raw as possible. I also juice every day. There is a lot of evidence that this is a healthier option for us, but I realise that people will disagree. I have suggested elsewhere that the movie "Forks over Knives" outlines a great many of the benefits such a diet has for us, and how many of the current poor health issues in the 'developed' world would be minimised if we were to follow these guidelines. Incidence of diabetes, obesity, heart disease, some cancers and many other conditions would be drastically cut, and people suffering these afflictions would see a great improvement in their conditions if they maintained this healthier eating habit.
    I am not saying that meat does not have a part of any diet, but my choice is to not have it if given the option. All the other cr*p that gets put into our food is mostly to blame for ill-health. I ride a lot, up to 2 hours off road each day when I am home; I am 55 years old, 6' tall and in the last few weeks have trimmed down to 175 Lbs from a lifelong fluctuation between 185 and 195. I have a lot of energy too, sleep well, and generally feel bloody good... That is all the evidence I need to eat healthy.

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    I was raw vegan for awhile and then university happened. I'm trying to get back into it. It's like a drug, you feel sooo much better about everything and just in general happier. Also if you have the will power to go raw vegan you can just about do anything.

    If you need a quick snack try kelp chips, dehydrated if you are rv or just baked if you're just a vegan or vegetarian.
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    Below this informative video is a place to put your zip code, to find good food and eat well... from places near you.. family farms etc...

    http://www.themeatrix.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by manabiker View Post
    Below this informative video is a place to put your zip code, to find good food and eat well... from places near you.. family farms etc...

    http://www.themeatrix.com/
    Cool, thanks, I had not seen this one. I did try the search for local restaurants tho, and it returned 6 local Chipotle Grills! (Amongst some other places too). Something I should know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    Ah, vege people. How wrong you are about your diet, it's incredible.

    Every cell in your body is a product of millions of years of evolution. Evolution which consisted of our ancestors eating meat. Your body needs animal bits to survive.

    You think that just because someone invented food replacement items they are good for you? That because you decided to go against the nature your body will rapidly shed millions of years of need&want in favor of your forced diet?

    Fun fact; no human society / tribe living out of the food they can produce or hunt is vege. Even if they are expert agriculture society, and even if their diet consists mostly out of vegetables and fruit, they will either hunt for fish or other animals to boost their diet.

    Vege type of diet is only possible because your food ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket.

    Ask yourself this - if you get stranded on an island, or in the middle of a lush forest, would you survive eating only vege stuff for weeks/months? Hint: you won't.
    If the S hit the fan, I have lots of guns and ammo and I will gladly kill an animal for food, as will my vegan wife.

    And you you assume that people who eat meat don't eat it out of luxury? Quite the opposite. A meat centric type of diet is only possible because meat ("food") is readily available in the next supermarket - the world is full of p*ssies who couldn't kill, skin and cook an animal for food with their own hands.

    This is why I respect and support hunters - these people actually have a relationship with their kill. It's a far cry from some fat lady with diabetes in a moo-moo ordering up 3 Quarter Pounders with Cheese with a milkshake at McDonalds.

    Hunters don't let their kill suffer. The death is generally swift and most hunters will pride themselves on a good, fast kill. The meat industry - they don't care if an animal suffers.

    We don't live in a apocalyptic society. We live in a rich society that allows us options. I'm a vegetarian because I don't vibe with the ethics of the meat industry. I support small farmers (who sell meat, too), fishermen and hunters. Also - all my stomach issues have gone away - doc says I'm "healthy as a horse".

    I'm not one of those bleeding heart liberals throwing paint on fur coats. I hate those causes and they don't do a good job in promoting vegetarianism as an option.

    The best compliments that I receive is "You are a vegetarian? How do you stay so muscular?"

    I ride 100 miles a week (MTB) and race cyclocross on a veggie diet, throwing in weight training in there. This diet sucks

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    Vegetarian here. Been one for 16 years. I don't do it for the animals. In fact, I hate animals. I hate them so much I won't even put them in my mouth.

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    I'm a supporter of PETA.

    PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals

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    i know a lot of people who were vegans/vegetarians but somehow returned to their meat-eating ways. bacon was usually their "gateway meat'...

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    Funny, I was eating a cheeseburger when I opened this thread.

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    These are hilarious! (See, even vegetarians have a sense of humor)

    BTW we even have our own vegan soundboard

    As far as PETA goes:

    would you dare eat a steak in front of her?

    Or keep up with Sally Hibberd?


    Regardless we do love our epic meal time
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    I've been a vegetarian (ovo lacto) for 8 years, but I really don't care what anyone else eats. It's a personal choice, and I won't claim that it's any better or worse than anyone else's dietary choices. The preachy comments from either side bore me, although I can still appreciate a bit of good-natured humor from either viewpoint. Eat whatever you want.

    Couple of misc. comments;

    - "Replacement" foods from grocery store are not needed. Lots of easy ways to get protein out of standard whole or near-whole sources. Sightly more thought required on this item for full vegans as opposed to vegetarians, of course.

    - I'm no world class rider, but I have won multiple 24-hour solo races during these 8 years. Being a vegetarian isn't a limiter on physical ability or performance in my experience.

    - I enjoy my food, it's tastes, textures, and scents. I'm not fighting off any complusion to eat meat, nor do I miss it. Nuff said.

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    totally forgot about VBMC

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I don't even think I could say this reply is poorly researched, I don't even think it is researched at all! Sounds a lot like opinion to me, and we all have a right to our opinion. Please do not try to dress it up as 'fact'.
    I lived on an island in the Pacific for 6 months living of what I can catch.

    Long story short, unless I ate fish or shells, I could not lift a finger. You cannot make a good living (have energy) eating only fruit and vegetables even tho lush Pacific islands have abundance of them. You just cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    . We live in a rich society that allows us options. I'm a vegetarian because I don't vibe with the ethics of the meat industry. I support small farmers (who sell meat, too), fishermen and hunters. Also - all my stomach issues have gone away - doc says I'm "healthy as a horse".
    I agree. Meat industry sucks, and they mistreat animals. But if I stopped eating and drinking and using stuff which came from such conditions, I'd basically stop existing. Do you agree with sweatshops? With people working 18h for 1$ to bring you that iPhone?

    I respect vege people just for the fact they are disciplined. That being said, I hate them because they are a pain in the ass. Wherever we go as a group of friends, that place needs to have their food. It's basically impossible to coexist in a group with you folks. The demands, the drama (not all vege dramatise, but I have seen them acting like bloody Jehova Witness).

    What I know firsthand is that some of my friends who used to be vege, switched back to meat, or at least to birds (poultry?). Hardships of mountain biking were too great. And it is too complicated to get all the required replacement food. So they just went normal diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    ...Hardships of mountain biking were too great. And it is too complicated to get all the required replacement food. So they just went normal diet.
    That's too bad. These athletes didn't give up so easily:

    Carl Lewis-Vegetarian


    and this guy...


    Except for the occasional opponent's ear...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    I lived on an island in the Pacific for 6 months living of what I can catch.

    Long story short, unless I ate fish or shells, I could not lift a finger. You cannot make a good living (have energy) eating only fruit and vegetables even tho lush Pacific islands have abundance of them. You just cannot.

    Need proof?
    why are you generalizing like this, it shows your ignorance... i go on fruit and vegetable ONLY diets at least once a week out of every month, eating nothing but raw fruits and vegetables, and I can say that my energy levels are HIGHER than when i eat cooked/processed foods. I ride, run and lift at the gym every day...

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    Dharma's in Capitola ... excellent eats after a good ride. Decent beer on tap too.
    +1 for Dharma's. Asian Rose is my favorite place in Santa Cruz. I also love the Kung Pao tofu at The Golden Buddha.

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    I've been vegetarian for five years. I eat dairy occasionally.

    I eat better. My palate has grown more sophisticated and has dived deeper into different cultural dishes than ever before. I've learned how to prepare food, not just reheat/grill it.

    I feel better. Everyday. Period.

    I live better. I like knowing that my choice(s) help support "better" options in terms of Green business and agriculture.

    I also own a gun, but I'm not a member of the NRA or PETA. Quite simply, I cannot support views I perceive to be extremist.

    I support ethical hunting. Nothing is more "'American'" than killing an animal and serving it to family and friends for dinner.

    Veganism as a culture is probably even more annoying to veggies than it is to carnivores. I hate being lectured on going vegan by someone drinking a dollar beer and smoking a cig. Hope onto your damn fixie and ride away, Sir!
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    Vegetarian here. Been one for 16 years. I don't do it for the animals. In fact, I hate animals. I hate them so much I won't even put them in my mouth.
    I can't believe somebody gave me a neg rep over a bit of humor. Almost makes me want to stop being a vegetarian and become a cannibal.

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    I can't believe somebody gave me a neg rep over a bit of humor. Almost makes me want to stop being a vegetarian and become a cannibal.
    Me too; some dildo dooosh nozzle with a cowardly axe to grind didn't like my post on bacon flavored formula....says to post elsewhere and that it was off topic. Sad to see so many doped up dopes.

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    When I ran cross country in high school my coach was a vegetarian and insisted that we give it a try. I tried it for a month and hated every second of it. I felt weak and my running suffered a lot. Now that I know more about diet and nutrition I'm sure I was doing it all wrong. Not enough variety or calories. Now it would be nearly impossible for me try to be a vegetarian if I had the desire to. Being in the Army you pretty much eat what the hell they give you when your in the field or deployed.

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    These are hilarious! (See, even vegetarians have a sense of humor)

    BTW we even have our own vegan soundboard

    As far as PETA goes:

    would you dare eat a steak in front of her?


    Funny that Pamela Lee is vegan, shes had more meat in her than Burger King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    When I ran cross country in high school my coach was a vegetarian and insisted that we give it a try. I tried it for a month and hated every second of it. I felt weak and my running suffered a lot. Now that I know more about diet and nutrition I'm sure I was doing it all wrong. Not enough variety or calories. Now it would be nearly impossible for me try to be a vegetarian if I had the desire to. Being in the Army you pretty much eat what the hell they give you when your in the field or deployed.

    PS if you neg rep someone and don't have the stones to put your name behind it you are nothing but a spineless little b*tch
    Of which there are too many to count.

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    Of which there are too many to count.



    Yeah we get it, you don't like the neg rep you get, no one cares anymore because you pollute every single thread with this bs.

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    Yeah we get it, you don't like the neg rep you get, no one cares anymore because you pollute every single thread with this bs.




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    Funny that Pamela Lee is vegan, shes had more meat in her than Burger King.
    YEAH!

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    learn how to make your own seitan. there are two methods, boiling and baking. I prefer to bake mine. yummy stuff if you spice it right.

    being vegan for the last 10 1/2 years has been working for me. however, I have learned to keep out of internet discussions because people get really defensive and rude. so that's all I will add to it. if you want to ask me about vegetarianism, recipes, etc, PM me. i won't waste my time playing games with rednecks who don't understand or respect my choices.

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    @Daemon I was a raw vegan for two years and took maca, vitamin c, msm which in the long run aren't that many supplements and I was at my peak. Don't make statements like that unless you've tried it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    I lived on an island in the Pacific for 6 months living of what I can catch.

    Long story short, unless I ate fish or shells, I could not lift a finger. You cannot make a good living (have energy) eating only fruit and vegetables even tho lush Pacific islands have abundance of them. You just cannot.

    Need proof?
    This is not really a valid argument in the light of what we are discussing. I truly believe that you CAN get enough nutrition in our society from a plant based diet to be able to support any strenuous activity and to live a much healthier life. If you are stuck on a desert island or similar, then by all means eat whatever you can get your hands on if that is all there is. However, we do have the ability to get all kinds of healthier options today that do not necessarily include animal products. People do thrive on this diet. There is plenty of proof of this if you care to look at the remote possibility you might be mistaken about this.
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    Vegan Gyro. Very good.

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    I've tried and will continue to try. Have given up beef completely, still eat fish, eggs, chicken once in awhile. Almost completely dairy free, I think that the reduction in dairy has been the biggest improvement for me.

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    Dairy was the easiest for me once I learned that milk has pus in it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    ... Almost completely dairy free, I think that the reduction in dairy has been the biggest improvement for me.

    I think many people would find this true if they gave it a chance. I'm not dairy free (because I have a love of cheese,) but I feel better when I eat less dairy. People generally become lactose intolerant as they get older. There's no point in forcing your body to try to breakdown things it'd rather not have in it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Sexy Beast View Post
    Source?

    "i think that's what happens" does not count as a reliable source.
    I'll see what I can find. I know it has a lot to do with a person's ethnic background, but I'll search.

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    Developmental causes of lactose intolerance

    The most common cause of lactase deficiency is a decrease in the amount of lactase that occurs after childhood and persists into adulthood, referred to as adult-type hypolactasia. This decrease in lactase is genetically programmed, and the prevalence of this type of lactase deficiency in different ethnic groups is highly variable. Thus, in Asian populations it is almost 100%, among American Indians it is 80%, and in blacks it is 70%; however, in American Caucasians the prevalence of lactase deficiency is only 20%. In addition to variability in the prevalence of lactase deficiency, there also is variability in the age at which symptoms of lactose intolerance appear. Thus, in Asian populations, the symptoms of lactase deficiency (intolerance) occur around the age of 5, among Blacks and Mexican-Americans by the age of 10, and in the Finnish by age 20.

    It is important to emphasize that lactase deficiency is not the same as lactose intolerance. Persons with milder deficiencies of lactase often have no symptoms after the ingestion of milk. For unclear reasons, even persons with moderate deficiencies of lactase may not have symptoms. A diagnosis of lactase deficiency is made when the amount of lactase in the intestine is reduced, but a diagnosis of lactose intolerance is made only when the reduced amount of lactase causes symptoms.

    Lactose Intolerance Causes, Symptoms, Diagnosis and Treatment on MedicineNet.com

    Other links,
    Lactose intolerance: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
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    ice cream made from coconut milk is actually quite good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    ice cream made from coconut milk is actually quite good!
    Yup! Sorbet also fills the Ice cream void well. My fav is Jamaican me crazy from Ben & Jerry's

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Sexy Beast View Post
    "People generally become lactose intolerant as they get older"

    Still waiting...
    So intolerant is the wrong word, but people do tend to develope issues with dairy as they age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Sexy Beast View Post
    Source?

    "i think that's what happens" does not count as a reliable source.
    Did you not read the links? National Geographic had a good article on it awhile back. I'll try to find it.

    To paraphrase,
    Babies (includes all ethnic/racial backgrounds) create lactase inorder to process lactose. When the body stops creating lactase, it becomes difficult to process lactose into its two simple sugars so that it can be absorbed by the intestine. Caucasians are the largest group to not always experience this stop in lactase production. Since caucasians make up a very small portion of the World's over all population, it is safe to say that many humans lose their ability to process dairy as they age.



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    Beef i can give up, chicken, no way. Don't eat beef more than once a week, most of the time is chicken or fish.

    Burger with bacon, no way i could give up red meat.

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    I respect people who make their dietary choices without getting preachy, snotty, or rude about it. I happen to enjoy meat too much to give it up entirely. That said, I do enjoy a lot of vegetarian meals and will also enjoy the occasional vegan meal. But I enjoy cheese too much to give it up, especially local artisan cheeses.

    I try to get all of my food locally, organically, and from people who really love raising/growing food. Unfortunately, it's super expensive to do that with your whole diet, so I do it bit by bit when I can. My diet varies quite a bit seasonally these days, and I think that makes me appreciate a lot of my food even more. I stock up on peaches, plums, blueberries, and squashes when they're in season locally. I can usually get enough blueberries to stock my freezer for the year where I live. But the peaches and plums usually don't make it to the freezer. And you always have too much squash - squash is funny that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrasmak View Post
    Beef i can give up, ......... no way i could give up red meat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AptosRider View Post
    Beef isn't red meat, its black and white...idiot.
























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    +1 on the Coconut Milk Ice Cream. They are doing some very good flavors now. Also, cultured coconut milk as a yogurt replacement, and if you like cheese but have trouble with it digestively, raw goat milk cheese is a good substitute. There's a lot of stuff out there if you care to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    learn how to make your own seitan. there are two methods, boiling and baking. I prefer to bake mine. yummy stuff if you spice it right.

    being vegan for the last 10 1/2 years has been working for me. however, I have learned to keep out of internet discussions because people get really defensive and rude. so that's all I will add to it. if you want to ask me about vegetarianism, recipes, etc, PM me. i won't waste my time playing games with rednecks who don't understand or respect my choices.
    I've finally mastered seitan a week ago. Been a veg' for 12 years. Now there's no stopping me from mocking duck, chicken, beef...Here's a tip if you don't do it already: Once the seitan is in dough form, I knead it flat and stretch it. I then roll it like a carpet in a tight cylinder or ball. I never let the broth boil (that's the hardest part), voila!

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    interesting stat: 399 million people, are vegetarians in india, in the states it is over 3% of the pop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    ice cream made from coconut milk is actually quite good!
    Insanely, fabulously, desperately good, especially chocolate--likely because of the fat in coconut. Coconut in all of its forms is now the next big thing in health foods. Fine by me.
    Really like red lentils and sweet potatoes with Tasty Bite Good Korma Simmer Sauce or you could make your own korma sauce. Some have cream, some not:
    coconut, onions, tomatoes, cashews, garlic, ginger, chiles, turmeric, cardamom, clove, pepper, cinnamon, coriander.
    Have felt much better getting a daily fix of greens, usually bok choy or kale or Napa cabbage or similar + mixed salad greens.

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    For those of you on here that have made seitan, how does it compare to store bought seitan price wise? Also, how long does it keep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    For those of you on here that have made seitan, how does it compare to store bought seitan price wise? Also, how long does it keep?
    I cheat and buy the vital wheat gluten. There are those hard core guys/gals that make it by filtering the flour to get the gluten (probably the same people that ride rigid SS). It usually runs me about 7 bucks for a lb. That single bag of vital wheat gluten will last me a month.
    Of course it took me a couple of bags to get the process down.

    And whatever you do, don't let the stuff get into your pipes. Seitan is tantamount to plaster when it gets in your plumbing

    Flavor-wise, price-wise and shelf-life wise making your own wins every time. The things you can do with it are innumerable. I also found that store bought seitan was way too salty.

    Besides, you have to make things like seitan reubens from scratch
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    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seemlessstate View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
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    I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with eating animal products except that these days we live on a very polluted planet and the farther up the food chain you eat the more concentrated crap you are directly taking into your body along with the crap you can't avoid by living in the environment. Plus excess cholesterol may not be a good thing but that jury is still out, apparently.

    I'm not saying any of it will kill you right off but most people die of cancer so I like to limit exposure where I can.

    I still eat meat but limit my intake. I have no religious or moral issues with eating meat either. All primates eat meat when they can get it and if we hadn't had the high caloric boost from eating it back in the early days we would not have been able to prosper and evolve as we did.

    To answer a question about why you would want to eat Tofurkey? It may not be as good as turkey but it's not bad and if you make a sandwich with it along with the other things you might add to it the Tofukey adds some (good) texture and taste that would not be there if it was all vegetables. Adds some protein too. So it tastes pretty good and you get to cut out some of the animal product from your diet. Veganaise is good stuff too. No cholesterol.

    For those who think eating fish and chicken is way better for you then beef do a little research on what the conditions are like on large scale poultry farms where almost all the non organic stuff comes from; then do a little research on what pollutants are in the oceans. Organic grass fed beef may not look so bad anymore.
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    Beef isn't red meat, its black and white...idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seemlessstate View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
    Good post. Thank you for putting it so well. Are you a roadie? And I do not use the term in any derogatory way, I just have spent 35 years in the music touring business, and your description sounds very like what I have seen all these years... I know how physically and mentally demanding it can be. (When I say 'roadie' I mean as in a non-cycling way!)
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    I've been doing the pesco-vegetarian thing for a few months now. Hats off to those who stick to it. I've had to cheat a number of times when dining at other's houses and meat is for dinner. I don't want to be picky and not be invited back. Of course my gf makes an announcement about it and I have to explain that it's not a big deal.
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    My wife has been vegetarian (ovo-lacto) for 25 years, so we don't cook meat at home. I just eat it when out (had a nice rib eye for a special anniversary treat tonight in fact!). But due to high cholesterol I'm mostly off red meat eggs cheese etc. Thank goodness I like fish.

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    I have huge respect for vege people. My two close friends are vegans, and the discipline of vegan life spreads to discipline in other regions. They are never late to work, they are always organised, etc.

    That being said, these are two of my bottom line thoughts regarding vege diet.

    A) it is not natural. You cannot spontaneously decide not to eat animal products when we have been eating them for millions of years. There are replacement products, yes. Replacement. I think (maybe I'm wrong) but the human society yet has to see a person who lived his entire life being vegan and had no complications whatsoever because of it. Be it during pregnancy, old age, recovery from sickness etc. Show me a family that lived vege life for generations, and you convinced me.

    B) You are not fighting meat industry. Even if 20% of 1st world county population were vege, that will only make meat industry work harder with their buyers to put more meat into other 80%. By pure "coincidence" will McDonalds make a sandwich with meat and bacon and extra meat. Screw it, make buns out of meat. You cannot fight meat industry. Being vege out of rebellion against meat industry makes you like those folks who are anti-capitalist anti-corporate, yet on rallies they come in Dr.Martiens boots, Levis 501, Gap shirts with Che Guevara print. Of course, they organised event via iPhone, over Facebook. Vege lifestyle is a product of marketing, and you know it. Food industry wanted to make more money, so they shoved some guerilla marketing commercials into your head how you have to fight animal abuse, stop getting fat in Burger King. "Here, don't eat meat, eat this instead. And, oh, that food is harder to come by, +50% price, sorry. Be a good rebel, pay more!"
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    Man, the irony. As I posted this, I saw an article about vegan parents killing their baby through malnutrition.

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    I have huge respect for vege people. My two close friends are vegans, and the discipline of vegan life spreads to discipline in other regions. They are never late to work, they are always organised, etc.

    That being said, these are two of my bottom line thoughts regarding vege diet.

    A) it is not natural. You cannot spontaneously decide not to eat animal products when we have been eating them for millions of years. There are replacement products, yes. Replacement. I think (maybe I'm wrong) but the human society yet has to see a person who lived his entire life being vegan and had no complications whatsoever because of it. Be it during pregnancy, old age, recovery from sickness etc. Show me a family that lived vege life for generations, and you convinced me.

    B) You are not fighting meat industry. Even if 20% of 1st world county population were vege, that will only make meat industry work harder with their buyers to put more meat into other 80%. By pure "coincidence" will McDonalds make a sandwich with meat and bacon and extra meat. Screw it, make buns out of meat. You cannot fight meat industry. Being vege out of rebellion against meat industry makes you like those folks who are anti-capitalist anti-corporate, yet on rallies they come in Dr.Martiens boots, Levis 501, Gap shirts with Che Guevara print. Of course, they organised event via iPhone, over Facebook. Vege lifestyle is a product of marketing, and you know it. Food industry wanted to make more money, so they shoved some guerilla marketing commercials into your head how you have to fight animal abuse, stop getting fat in Burger King. "Here, don't eat meat, eat this instead. And, oh, that food is harder to come by, +50% price, sorry. Be a good rebel, pay more!"
    outstanding post. i am not allowed to give away any more rep today. maybe tomorrow.

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    All discussion aside and to get back to the OP's question: I've been a vegan for about three years now. My favourite recipe (or one of them, at least):

    burrito wraps filled with little chunks of grilled tofu (nicely covered with ground pepper and celery seeds) and a mixture of avocado paste, cucumber, tomatoes, onions, paprikas and olive oil. Cover with your favourite type of lettuce before wrapping it all up :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post
    I have huge respect for vege people. My two close friends are vegans, and the discipline of vegan life spreads to discipline in other regions. They are never late to work, they are always organised, etc.
    You make it sound like the 'vegan life' is like some sort of disciplined imposition. This is simply not the case. The only 'discipline' involved is the simple and small effort involved in getting off the couch and going to a market to buy good food, then coming home and taking the trouble to prepare it. There may be some research involved in finding recipes and ideas, but it really is no great hardship.
    The benefits of this are many, as I and several others have pointed out here, and as is borne out all over the world as we speak here. Scaremongering about isolated cases of neglect to try and prove a point is invalid. There are 2 sides to that coin.
    As for the rest of your post, I am working on not getting angry at people who hold certain views, but you are not making it any easier...

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    My ex said the other day that she was now a vegetarian. But she eats eggs, cheese and fish. I'm like, well then you are not a vegetarian. She said, yes I am, I have lots of [hipster] friends who are vegan who eat eggs. Me, well then they are not vegans, look it up, and you are an ovo/lacto/ichthyo vegetarian and they are posers, saying they are vegan because it's trendy to be vegan and to be lacto or wheat intolerant it seems too. She's like, oh you are just too into labels. Me, no I'm not into labels, the ones calling them selves vegans are. I'm into honesty and calling a spade a spade.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being vegan or vegetarian or various forms of if that is what you are into. Just get the facts straight.

    I would call myself a soft core vegan I'll avoid animal products most of the time but will still eat a steak or hamburger or whatever occasionally when I want.

    A friend of my ex calls himself a "freegan". He's a vegan unless he's invited to dinner and they serve something else and it's free so he eats it. Sounds good to me
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    I have huge respect for vege people. My two close friends are vegans, and the discipline of vegan life spreads to discipline in other regions. They are never late to work, they are always organised, etc.

    That being said, these are two of my bottom line thoughts regarding vege diet.

    A) it is not natural. You cannot spontaneously decide not to eat animal products when we have been eating them for millions of years. There are replacement products, yes. Replacement. I think (maybe I'm wrong) but the human society yet has to see a person who lived his entire life being vegan and had no complications whatsoever because of it. Be it during pregnancy, old age, recovery from sickness etc. Show me a family that lived vege life for generations, and you convinced me.

    B) You are not fighting meat industry. Even if 20% of 1st world county population were vege, that will only make meat industry work harder with their buyers to put more meat into other 80%. By pure "coincidence" will McDonalds make a sandwich with meat and bacon and extra meat. Screw it, make buns out of meat. You cannot fight meat industry. Being vege out of rebellion against meat industry makes you like those folks who are anti-capitalist anti-corporate, yet on rallies they come in Dr.Martiens boots, Levis 501, Gap shirts with Che Guevara print. Of course, they organised event via iPhone, over Facebook. Vege lifestyle is a product of marketing, and you know it. Food industry wanted to make more money, so they shoved some guerilla marketing commercials into your head how you have to fight animal abuse, stop getting fat in Burger King. "Here, don't eat meat, eat this instead. And, oh, that food is harder to come by, +50% price, sorry. Be a good rebel, pay more!"
    A) There are millions of vegetarian families who have been for thousands of years outside of the US.

    B) So, if a bike shop gives you crappy service and you decide not to buy there anymore - are you "fighting" the bike shop?

    As I don't buy from retailers that my personal beliefs don't vibe with, the same goes with my decision not to buy from the meat industry. Because local grown, ethical meat is hard to come by, I just opt out. The mass meat industry is brutal, abusive and inhumane. So - you have a problem with those who choose not to "invest" our dollar in that? Strange - sounds like you have "beef" with the annoying liberal hippies/hipsters, and not necessarily vegetarians. As stated by myself and a few others - if you're looking to pick a fight with bleeding heart liberals, there isn't one sitting in this seat.

    I don't feel my vegetarianism is going to change the industry.

    I believe in "voting" with your wallet because I believe in the free market. I like the fact that I don't have to be a pompous PETA type to opt out of an industry I don't like - conversely I can opt in to an industry I do like. I like food companies that give me an option to eat healthy, good food that keeps me muscular and healthy and well without having to contribute to animal abuse.

    Diabetes and other health problems run rampant in my ethnic community due to the poor food choices. When I became a vegetarian, my "view" of food became more honed, and I started to investigate other things in my consumption, like sodium, processed sugar and high fructose corn syrup. I have lost 25 lbs. without losing an ounce of muscle and I average 100 miles of riding a week without batting an eye. I feel MUCH healthier now and my blood tests say the same (which are vastly more improved than just two years ago).

    I don't give a sh*t if what somebody eats. So why should anybody give a sh*t what myself and others eat? It appears your problem is with the pompous veggie liberal azzholes (who I am also annoyed by), so your disdain is misplaced in this thread.

    This thread is about sharing vege recipes and vegan cycling gear, not "We hate meat eaters and are better than them"
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    I heartily support this thread. I have eaten as a guest with lots of vegans/vegetarians and the food is usually not very good. So share some recipes so that the food tastes better ok

    ps. While it may be funny I am serious.

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    So where's the "vegan" cycling gear?

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    Long time vegan here.


    As an animal loving, biochemist, with a strong toxicology background I would have to say that I do it for Environmental, ethical/moral, physiological/health reasons.

    From a taxonomic perspective I see the biological foundations of a primarily herbivorous animal, and from a purely biochemical perspective we see the same thing. There are few sound arguments suggesting we are "designed" to eat meat, and the long term negative health consequences of doing so are rather obvious too.

    Additionally, it is clear that factory farms are one of the larger sources of environmental toxicants. Many members of my father's side of the family have large family farms, and these are so very different from the industrial farms that actually bring the bulk of animal products to market. . .unfortunately the family farms have a very difficult time competing, and especially in the case of dairy farms, they are often regulated out of existence.

    It is hard to argue about ethics/morals, so I'm not going to bother with that, other than to say that I trust my own ethical assessment that if I have a choice, I'd rather not kill sentient beings.

    In the end, it's hard for me to justify the consumption of meat, dairy or eggs. . .especially when sources from industrial factory farms.

    Another tidbit by way of accidental experimentation:

    Over the last few months when I was seeing a girl that was not vegetarian/vegan (a first, and last for me) I dabbled in cheese, and even had a bite of her mandarin chicken. The chicken was just foul, and during the two weeks that I'd had cheese probably once or twice a day I also saw something interesting when I'd work out. I noticed that I had phlegm and some headaches, and then when I went on rides it was amazing how much worse I felt, mostly in the respiratory department, and I also found that I got exertion headaches doing rides at paces I never had an issue with. I actually remember those feelings from a looooong time ago, and it was interesting to re-encounter them. I went back to being a happy vegan, and I got my old lungs and legs back, and no more headaches from hard sessions on the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon[CRO] View Post

    A) it is not natural. You cannot spontaneously decide not to eat animal products when we have been eating them for millions of years.
    I love it when i hear stuff like this. Modern science doesn't have the ability to prove almost anything from 'way back in the day'.. but some people still 'believe' they know what went on millions of years ago. We don't know how pyramids were made, and that was just a few thousand years ago, not to mention the 'missing link' and other puzzles in human evolution. Vegetarianism is simply not in any way any less viable than a 'meat eating diet', and that's been proven many times over.. heck in this thread alone!! (not even gonna go into the gazillion studies side if it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyCro View Post
    I love it when i hear stuff like this. Modern science doesn't have the ability to prove almost anything from 'way back in the day'.. but some people still 'believe' they know what went on millions of years ago. We don't know how pyramids were made, and that was just a few thousand years ago, not to mention the 'missing link' and other puzzles in human evolution. Vegetarianism is simply not in any way any less viable than a 'meat eating diet', and that's been proven many times over.. heck in this thread alone!! (not even gonna go into the gazillion studies side if it)
    There are many religious groups, including very old Christian groups that do not believe in meat consumption as the moral ideal. Most of these rules are not hard and fast (including Sikhs), but many believe it's the nonviolence that brings your closer to a higher spiritual awareness.

    That being said, you're looking at generations of people who did just fine on a veggie diet.

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    Cheesus Christmas. What's with all the hate? Some of you need to get out more. Is Dion the first vegetarian you've ever met?

    I'm not vegetarian any more, but I was for several years. I eat meat now, but locally and humanely raised exclusively.

    That said, I still eat many vegetarian meals on a regular basis. So, in a (possibly futile) effort to get the thread back on track, here are a couple favorites:

    Like Indian food? Chana Masala is one of my favorites. I haven't tried this particular recipe, but it looks promising: chana masala | smitten kitchen

    For dessert, it's hard to beat this vegan peanut butter pie:
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    I was a meat eating, beer guzzling, coffee drinking full throttle hard ass for 15 years as an adult. It caught up with me. Then I started studying health. Who were the longest living people? What were their diets like? How happy were they? Where did they live?

    I tried the Atkins diet. I tried the paleo diet. I tried low carb. I tried vegetarian. I tried low sodium vegan. Then high carb raw vegan. I even pulled off a 14 day water fast.

    I learned a lot ... If you want to lose 150 lbs, go vegan. Wanna do it quickly? Go raw vegan.

    Fruit never tasted better in my life, or gave me more energy, than when coming off ketosis. If you have a high fat diet, the sugars in fruit will make you feel sick. Insulin is almost ineffective when there is a high percentage of fat in the blood stream. Type 2 Diabetes is curable with a plant based low fat vegan diet. (The China Study.)

    On a vegan diet I feel a more spiritual person, more at peace, never depressed, A lot of us types get preachy because we want to share the exhilaration and hope of health after struggling through a long downward spiral of uneducated overeating. Talking about it turns into a passion.

    So, I'm not vegan for animal rights, or because of factory farms... although it does make sense ... if you let unnaturally raised, dead flesh and oils putrify in your body, you'll have a higher chance of disease.

    Yes, humans evolved eating meat. But way less often than we do these days. And you really had to work for it ...
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    I am a Thai food addict.


    The ingredients are kind of exotic but worth the effort
    Here's the recipe:
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    I stumbled upon vegetarianism when hunting for Pho' (Vietnamese soup). There is a place here in San Jose, Ca. called "Happy Bamboo" run by a tiny Vietnamese woman named Bihn. She is the most pleasant, sweet woman one can meet, and my wife really liked it because she is vegan.

    Well, the food was absolutely awesome, and I really couldn't tell the difference. All the fake "meat" had the same texture and taste as real meat. So the logical part of me said, "Well, hell... if I can make food that tastes like this all the time, I could do the vegetarian thing..."

    Two weeks later, wife and I went back to Happy Bamboo and I told Bihn I had been meat free since - then Bihn laid it all out on the table - all the ethical and moral issues surrounding the meat industry, etc. She also told me about the spiritual aspect of it as MikeG has said.

    So, the Mrs. and I went shopping and we found all kinds of cool stuff, like the Morning Star brand "ground meat" and their sausage patties. There is also tofu lunch "meat" - all the same texture and taste.

    So, vegetarians are, by no means, deprived of any good tasting food. I make tacos with the Morning Star ground "meat", curry fried rice, "beef" with broccoli (from "Fry's beef strips"), spaghetti and "meat balls", etc. Of course, veggie burgers and "chicken" sandwiches. It all tastes like meat, so psychologically I get my fill and philosophically I get my fill. Like I said, coming from a "meat centric" culture, it was a rough start but today's options make it very easy for a guy like me to go the veggie route.

    I have weened off cheese, but still eat eggs from an ethical, local farmer. I stopped with dairy mostly, but whatever's in deserts, I'll eat.

    For anybody wanting to give it a try without eating rabbit food, check out Morning Star, Fry's Beef Strips, or if you like Asian food, there are lots of Indian and Vietnamese restaurants that serve vegetarian dishes.

    It's not going to kill you and you actually might like it.

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    If you think a fake meat or cheese substitute tastes exactly like the real thing, you've been vegi/vegan for too long.
    You know, that is soy true.

    Seriously, eat what makes you feel best. I've been a vegetarian(had my own organic garden) and I've had a few burgers as well. Now, I'm somewhere in between. I don't eat much meat, but I've got nothing against doing so. I eat what I think is healthy and best for me. As far as what other people do, well, that's their business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longfinkillie View Post
    I am a Thai food addict.
    Vegan Tamales (try not to lick the screen)!
    Evidently, I've repped you too many times, but thanks for these recipes. They look awesome.



    And for DJ S.B. Some links for you (and anybody else that's interested) on lactose. I'm not saying that these prove or disprove anything. I just found the first one to be an informative read, and the second one to be a good chart.
    http://www.robrdunn.com/wp-content/u...05/Dunn-11.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeG View Post

    I learned a lot ... If you want to lose 150 lbs, go vegan. Wanna do it quickly? Go raw vegan.

    Fruit never tasted better in my life, or gave me more energy, than when coming off ketosis. If you have a high fat diet, the sugars in fruit will make you feel sick. Insulin is almost ineffective when there is a high percentage of fat in the blood stream. Type 2 Diabetes is curable with a plant based low fat vegan diet. (The China Study.)

    On a vegan diet I feel a more spiritual person, more at peace, never depressed, A lot of us types get preachy because we want to share the exhilaration and hope of health after struggling through a long downward spiral of uneducated overeating. Talking about it turns into a passion.

    So, I'm not vegan for animal rights, or because of factory farms... although it does make sense ... if you let unnaturally raised, dead flesh and oils putrify in your body, you'll have a higher chance of disease.

    Yes, humans evolved eating meat. But way less often than we do these days. And you really had to work for it ...
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    Thank you too for putting it so eloquently.

    This is all a personal choice, but, as you say, wanting to share the benefits is a powerful urge, and some people seem completely closed to any learning of these. I certainly do not hate these people, but they do frustrate me. So many of our problems related to health today could be solved or at least minimised if only the majority of people were to at least give a change in diet to something more plant based a chance. It usually takes a massive fright to bring about this change, but this is sadly not always the case.
    As far as recipes and such, I have already mentioned coconut based ice cream and 'yogurt', which is widely available now. Just these things satisfy a craving for something 'bad' that usually puts us in front of the freezer at the supermarket with a tub of Ben and Jerry's in our hands... for recipes, my girlfriend and I use a lot of stuff by Natalia Rose, or just google raw food online. We have our moments of weakness sometimes, but these usually involve the Indian Restaurant down the road here which is superb. They do some awesome vegetarian dishes... Flavor of India in Oro Valley if anyone lives in this area.
    The recipe for healthy carrot cake cookies that my girlfriend uses will only be pried from her on pain of death, so I am afraid I cannot share that right now... I shall work on it tho...

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    we deserve a pat on the back, and maybe some soy cubes to top it off lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sxotty View Post
    I heartily support this thread. I have eaten as a guest with lots of vegans/vegetarians and the food is usually not very good. So share some recipes so that the food tastes better ok

    ps. While it may be funny I am serious.
    Yeah, there is this idea that tofu is inherently delicious. Its bland, and tastes vaguely of grandparent's closet. Marinate that stuff!

    Baked tofu: take half a pound firm tofu, cut into thin slices, press dry, set aside.

    Take a small square tupperware (or whatever) container, add 1/4 cup soy/tamari, 2.5 tblsp sesame oil, 1 tblsp engevita yeast (helps mix the oil and soy). Mix, and toss in a diced clove of garlic for good measure! Add the tofu slices. Let marinate all day/overnight, flipping the tofu once. Bake in a preheated oven for 20-25 minutes, until desired level of crispiness is achieved. 425 F is a good temperature to do it at.

    We eat this with rice, and a simple broccoli stirfry with a head of garlic added. Specifics upon request

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    Quote Originally Posted by PsyCro View Post
    I love it when i hear stuff like this. Modern science doesn't have the ability to prove almost anything from 'way back in the day'.. but some people still 'believe' they know what went on millions of years ago. We don't know how pyramids were made, and that was just a few thousand years ago, not to mention the 'missing link' and other puzzles in human evolution. Vegetarianism is simply not in any way any less viable than a 'meat eating diet', and that's been proven many times over.. heck in this thread alone!! (not even gonna go into the gazillion studies side if it)
    Rice and beans is a complete protein.

    Meat eating among primates is relatively recent (approx 5 million years ago), evolutionarily. Go back beyond our most recent common ancestor with chimps (who eat very little meat, mostly using it to entice sex. Ahem.), and most primates are herbivorous or fructivores. Go back to the most recent common ancestor of all mammals, and it probably ate bugs.
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    Thanks for recipes, they all look good.

    Btw I thought I should clarify that while Tofurky does not taste as good as fresh roasted turkey, if you compare it to turkey loaf, which is probably 75% of the turkey that is consumed in the US, I'd take Tofurky over that crap any day. At least on a sandwich. Standing aside how it tastes or it's mouth feel can you image what is in it? I mean factory turkey is pretty nasty stuff but then they take the left overs that they can't sell otherwise and then grind it up and make loaf out of it. Ewww.
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    Had this tonight: Brown rice with a bunch of sliver chopped kale mixed in with sun-dried and fresh tomatoes stirred with pesto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    Thanks for recipes, they all look good.

    Btw I thought I should clarify that while Tofurky does not taste as good as fresh roasted turkey, if you compare it to turkey loaf, which is probably 75% of the turkey that is consumed in the US, I'd take Tofurky over that crap any day. At least on a sandwich. Standing aside how it tastes or it's mouth feel can you image what is in it? I mean factory turkey is pretty nasty stuff but then they take the left overs that they can't sell otherwise and then grind it up and make loaf out of it. Ewww.
    It's been so long since I've had turkey that I don't even remember what it actually tastes like. Tofurky does make an odd squeak when it's eaten, but the stuffing inside it is to die for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
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    I don't give a sh*t if what somebody eats. So why should anybody give a sh*t what myself and others eat? It appears your problem is with the pompous veggie liberal azzholes (who I am also annoyed by), so your disdain is misplaced in this thread.

    This thread is about sharing vege recipes and vegan cycling gear, not "We hate meat eaters and are better than them"
    Sooooo, after several posts filled with drama, hate, angst, etc, it is apparent that some here are vegan, some are veggy's, and many are omnivorous....I get the point. Now, what about this so-called vegan cycling gear; I've called several bike shops, even making one long distance call to a san francisco bike shop, and no one has ever heard of vegan cycling gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    Sooooo, after several posts filled with drama, hate, angst, etc, it is apparent that some here are vegan, some are veggy's, and many are omnivorous....I get the point. Now, what about this so-called vegan cycling gear; I've called several bike shops, even making one long distance call to a san francisco bike shop, and no one has ever heard of vegan cycling gear?
    I would just let it go, I suspect he meant ecologically sound cycling apparel. I tried the Tofu cranks and they taste better than they work... gotta marinate them tho...

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    Vegan cycling gear. The website VegWeb is a good resource for recipes but is hit or miss since it is user run and the recipes are all home brewed ideas from said users. Also, Isa Chandra Moskowitz has a podcast vegan cooking show and her books are full of rad recipes( "Veganomicon", "Vegan with a Vengeance" and "Vegan Cupcakes Take Over the World"). A few more cookbooks: "Hot Damn and Hell Yeah" and "Please Don't Feed the Bears"; there's a zine called "Barefoot and in the Kitchen".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I would just let it go, I suspect he meant ecologically sound cycling apparel. I tried the Tofu cranks and they taste better than they work... gotta marinate them tho...
    No. It's called "vegan" clothing (my wife turned me on to this stuff).

    I have to wear a suit and tie everyday for work and I'll be looking for dress shoes soon.

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    Dubthang: I tried to plus rep you again for cannibalism. But apparently need to spread the love a bit more.

    I'm okay with cannibalism, though the amount of garbage people put into their bodies may make the meat putrid before you even off them for the BBQ.

    Still trying to get my lady to stop eating as much meat/ dairy as she does. Gross but, she complains about not being able to poop when she feels she has to. I keep telling her it's because of all the meat and dairy. She hardly eats veggies, seriously, she eats maybe the equivalent of half a serving of veggies a day. The rest is bread, meat and cheese. At least I got her eating 100% whole wheat bread without HFCS, though it still has some sugar; I hate that.
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    HFCS is a major issue, I feel, for people in the U.S. I haven't eaten it in years, and feel much better physically and mentally.

    Monzie- Anything with fiber should help your lady out a bit. Perhaps there are some fruits and veggies that she'd eat as a snack if they were lying around? My gf will plow through a carton of strawberries if they are in the house.

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    I've thought about doing the vegetarian thing.
    But I don't think I could give up eggs, cheese and would have to eat fish. I don't think it would be to hard to give up beef or pork. Chicken might be tough.
    Once I buy a bike and start exercising, maybe I'll try it out. My desk job laziness has moved into my off time. I'm lazy and tired all the time.
    All though I have had serious cravings for fruit lately. Which is good. When I eat fruit I'm less likely to eat other sugary trash.
    I'm poor so eating healthy always seems like it's so expensive. Compared to lunch meat, hamburger helper, chef boyardee, and ramen.... it's really expensive.

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    For you octo-lavo types: Curry Fried Rice this morning

    1. Cooked rice
    2. Morning Star Meat Crumbles
    3. 1 egg (not necessary)
    4. Curry and Chili powder to taste

    Microwave the meat crumbles to thaw them. Fry it all up together in olive oil and enjoy it with a piece of fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dozicusmaximus View Post
    I'm poor so eating healthy always seems like it's so expensive.
    There are grocery discount places that you'd be surprised to find vegetarian stuff for cheap. We have "Food Max" and "Grocery Outlet", and Target and Safeway carries a lot of vege-friendly stuff on sale a lot of the times.

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    DubThang: Yeah, I got her eating plums as snacks, though she still would rather have a candy bar. It's a slow process.

    I'm not a fan of fake meats and not really a fan of fake dairy products. I like veganaise but still think even though it is healthy and made with organic stuff feel that getting the full spectrum organic regular mayonnaise is better since it's not as processed and less ingredients; same thoughts apply to meat stuffs; though local sustainable meat is what I mean( of which I will eat very rarely). No research to back this up just my thoughts and speculations. I don't eat either of them though. The only fake meat I eat is the ToFurky sausage link things. Bonus because the lady actually likes them too.

    My brother hunts and will give me some of the venison when he gets it processed. I'm cool with this situation. I would like to learn to bow hunt but that's just another thing to spend money on and bikes currently eat my whole budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seemlessstate View Post
    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product.
    first off , your post in its entirety was , IMO, well thought out and does a great job illustrating a different perspective, Thank you. But I think your assumption that the average american has access to any healthy options regardless of meat or vegan is completely incorrect. Most Americans, specifically the ones living in the inner cities, have NO healthy options. This is a hidden epidemic within our nation which has the ability to produce healthy food sources for all its people. It is hard to eat vegan or just healthy when you doing grocery shopping at convenience stores.But I feel lucky as should anyone who has a local farmers market or a good grocer with fair prices (not Whole Paycheck) nearby.

    Not trying to debate this here just giving you my take on it.
    Sorry Dion for no recipes
    But you should try Vegetarian House on Santa Clara in SJ; Its BOMB! The Law and D-bug turned me on to it

    I go vegan 4-5 days a week BTW, I wish I had more will power. I REALLY need to get of the tit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    Sooooo, after several posts filled with drama, hate, angst, etc, it is apparent that some here are vegan, some are veggy's, and many are omnivorous....I get the point. Now, what about this so-called vegan cycling gear; I've called several bike shops, even making one long distance call to a san francisco bike shop, and no one has ever heard of vegan cycling gear?
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    No. It's called "vegan" clothing (my wife turned me on to this stuff).

    I have to wear a suit and tie everyday for work and I'll be looking for dress shoes soon.

    Men's Dressy Vegan Shoes: Vegan Oxford Shoes, Slip On Shoes, Vegetarian Shoes, Eco Friendly Shoes
    So because I ask a legitimate question, I get the "persistant a-hole" neg rep?

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    So because I ask a legitimate question, I get the "persistant a-hole" neg rep?
    hey me too LOL. awesome. Haters gonna hate
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    When I ran cross country in high school my coach was a vegetarian and insisted that we give it a try. I tried it for a month and hated every second of it. I felt weak and my running suffered a lot. Now that I know more about diet and nutrition I'm sure I was doing it all wrong. Not enough variety or calories. Now it would be nearly impossible for me try to be a vegetarian if I had the desire to. Being in the Army you pretty much eat what the hell they give you when your in the field or deployed.

    PS if you neg rep someone and don't have the stones to put your name behind it you are nothing but a spineless little b*tch
    You didn't get it and your coach didn't tell you it takes 2-3 years to get your blood clean of the stuff you'd been eating all your life. You'll have good and bad days and headaches for that long. I felt so much better after 3 weeks I never ate meat again, since 1973.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seemlessstate View Post
    I'm a vegetarian, and eat dairy fairly infrequently.
    I am also what most would consider an Extreme Libertarian.

    I value life, and the living's right to keep it.
    I only take and kill what is wholly necessary for my survival.
    If I were living in the woods, or as a hunter gatherer, or even an 18th century farmer, then I would absolutely be chowing down on some pig. The fact is though, that human ingenuity has created a Society so advanced that we can have our pick of an astonishing variety of food from around the world, just by going down the street to the grocery store.

    the average american has access to more than enough calories, vitamins and nutrients to lead an extremely healthy and active life without ever touching an animal product. You don't have to eat meat to live, but you cant eat only meat and survive very long. it just isn't a crucial thing to eat considering the modern food system. Since I live by the philosophy of "why kill something that you don't have to?" then that pretty much rules out meat.

    not to mention, I have worked on a dairy farm, and seen plenty of beef cattle and poultry operations in my life to know that most of the meat and dairy that people eat is from a factory farm. factory farms are horrifically disgusting places where pointless abuse is commonplace if not company policy. Most dairy farms let their cows stand in 6" deep ****, never let them out to pasture, then when they milk, there is ****, and dirt and blood and puss on the udders. that all goes into the milking equipment and mixes with the milk. I would rather eat meat and dairy from a place that I knew was a clean safe environment. I do eat dairy products from local farms. its not that hard to find local farms that have ethical clean environments, especially in this part of the country (upstate New York), and when you work in agriculture like myself.

    If you want to eat meat, it is your body, your philosophy, and your decision. I wont preach or ram my opinion down anyone's throat. the most I will do is talk to someone who asks. Remember, Im a "do whatever you want" libertarian.

    that said, if you believe that you can not lead a productive life as a vegetarian, you are plain un-informed on the subject. I have one of the most physically demanding labor intensive jobs, outside of a professional athlete that I can think of. I work regularly in triple digit heat, with heavy equipment, lifting 100+ lb objects all day, climbing things, jumping on and off semi trailers and just doing pain in the ass stuff all the time. honestly I have more stamina than all the guys who eat meat for lunch. they all want a nap in the afternoon because digesting meat requires a fair amount of energy. why do you think most large carnivorous animals are idle for periods after eating?

    Im an outdoorsy dude. I was an avid hunter until I became vegetarian. I frequently do multi day remote backpacking trips with my wife (who is a vegan). I obviously mountain bike. And If lost in the woods, would surely be able to survive better than most. basically I'm a redneck hippie, so the stereotype of whiney liberal ****** vegetarians is just a stereotype.
    Great post.

    Not sure why people get so pissed when they hear someone is a vegetarian. My wife is a vegetarian, I am not. Neither of us would ever try to push our views on one another or anyone else. If what we eat at our table has no effect on you, STFU.

    The thing that annoys me the most is my wife's family can't have a meal with us without one of them (usually the same two) thinking they are so creative saying, "Hey Jennifer, you want a piece of *insert meat product here*" while snickering with a s-eating grin on their faces. Might have been funny the first time, but the last 243058972340859 times over the last 4 years it has gotten very old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    So where's the "vegan" cycling gear?
    Just wear HEMP, but most is too warm for the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    hey me too LOL. awesome. Haters gonna hate
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    Yeah, that joke gets way old after three times. Also, the waving of meat in your face like it's going to make you sick/ eat it and reneg on your "diet".
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    For all the vegans on here, most of the Morning Star products have milk and egg ingredients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnoobadam View Post
    PS if you neg rep someone and don't have the stones to put your name behind it you are nothing but a spineless little b*tch
    People are getting way to obsessed with this rep stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    Yeah, that joke gets way old after three times. Also, the waving of meat in your face like it's going to make you sick/ eat it and reneg on your "diet".
    Yeah. That one gets old too.

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    Also, Boca Burger's regular Chik'n patties are vegan the all natural ones are not. Go figure and what the crap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    So because I ask a legitimate question, I get the "persistant a-hole" neg rep?
    Somebody gave you negative rep for that question? See my sig, it wasn't from me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Somebody gave you negative rep for that question? See my sig, it wasn't from me!
    That's funny cause I got neg repped for the same thing. I also never neg rep anyone.

    Not complaining just saying.

    Maybe I make a$$ hole- ish posts in other threads but don't think I did in this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    There are grocery discount places that you'd be surprised to find vegetarian stuff for cheap. We have "Food Max" and "Grocery Outlet", and Target and Safeway carries a lot of vege-friendly stuff on sale a lot of the times.
    Cool. Thanks.
    I guess I have to do some reading and research. Then try to budget and shop cheap. I'm in Austin, there are a bunch of vege friendly stores. But they aren't very cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dozicusmaximus View Post
    Cool. Thanks.
    I guess I have to do some reading and research. Then try to budget and shop cheap. I'm in Austin, there are a bunch of vege friendly stores. But they aren't very cheap.
    As much as I hate saying it( and will most likely get flack for saying it): Wal- Mart now carries organics and some other health foods; for cheap. So does Target and there's less of a stigma shopping there for some reason. Bulk dry goods at Whole Foods are cheap as all get out too. You just have to plan your meals out so you have them( the dry goods) soaking the night before you want to make them for dinner. Also try your farmers market, they usually have produce from your surrounding area and it might be organic, farmers just can't afford the FDA fee to have that stamp, just talk to the farmer. The prices may be a little higher than you want but still competitive with the grocery. Most times it ends up being cheaper( at least here in Raleigh).
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    Right on.
    Thanks for the tips fellas. I'll probably need a "Vege Meals for People Who Can't Cook Worth a Crap" book too... Any suggestions? Or any decent books on the subject. I saw something calle The China Study. I'll probably pick that up.
    I should probably google more, and let you guys get back to arguing haha

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    My wife fixed tomato pie last night, I never heard of it and was quite skeptical. Man was it good. We eat veggie meals a couple times a week. Love this time of the year for the fresh stuff.

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    need 5 posts to make a thread. i like vegies, but i also like meats. and various other foods. plus i like pizza

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    Vegan cycling gear. The website VegWeb is a good resource for recipes but is hit or miss since it is user run and the recipes are all home brewed ideas from said users. Also, Isa Chandra Moskowitz has a podcast vegan cooking show and her books are full of rad recipes( "Veganomicon", "Vegan with a Vengeance" and "Vegan Cupcakes Take Over the World"). A few more cookbooks: "Hot Damn and Hell Yeah" and "Please Don't Feed the Bears"; there's a zine called "Barefoot and in the Kitchen".


    I posted this already. Sorry to repost it everyone but I think it may have gotten lost in the point/ counter- point discussion that is currently in progress.

    Hope this helps dooder( dozicusmaximus).
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    Quote Originally Posted by monzie View Post
    As much as I hate saying it( and will most likely get flack for saying it): Wal- Mart now carries organics and some other health foods; for cheap. So does Target and there's less of a stigma shopping there for some reason. Bulk dry goods at Whole Foods are cheap as all get out too. You just have to plan your meals out so you have them( the dry goods) soaking the night before you want to make them for dinner. Also try your farmers market, they usually have produce from your surrounding area and it might be organic, farmers just can't afford the FDA fee to have that stamp, just talk to the farmer. The prices may be a little higher than you want but still competitive with the grocery. Most times it ends up being cheaper( at least here in Raleigh).
    Whole Foods tends to have the best price on bulk quinoa. The farmer's market here in Portland, ME, produces some killer tomatoes. Local farmers are def. one of the best ways to get quality food. Plus, your money is directly helping some great people.

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    Dion hope you have had Tofoo Com Chay Pho. Ben's is the best, but he will be closed 22-29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold View Post
    Just wear HEMP, but most is too warm for the summer.
    The only disqualifier I eat is cheese, I gotta cut the cheese! Without cheese there is no pizza.
    Ahhh, pizza! I made my first one the other day:

    Bob's Mills wholewheat pizza mix, and follow the directions on the pack. I use Chia seed soaked in water instead of eggs as the binder, and when I first cook the dough, I sprinkle a good amount of fresh chopped garlic onto the crust before putting it in the oven. Then take it out after about 9 mins and spread your choice of organic tomato sauce. I use Muir Glen roasted garlic variety, (I like garlic), then cover with grated raw goat milk cheddar. This is expensive, but I like pizza and value my health. then put whatever veggies you want on, peppers, onions, mushrooms, spinach, anchovies if you want, whatever, and cook for another 18 mins or so.

    Voif**kingla! As good as any I have had anywhere. Add jalopenos, peppercinis, whatever takes your fancy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kattrap View Post
    It doesn't. If you think a fake meat or cheese substitue tastes exactly like the real thing, you've been vegi/vegan for too long.
    I've seen many passionate meat eaters tricked by fake meat. I don't think its likely to work for all styles of meat, but ground beef, processed chicken, and some others can be very convincingly imitated.

    And for the people who don't understand why fake meat exists, I think you can probably imagine some good reasons why a vegetarian would go for fake meat, but you'll have to be willing to think.

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    I hate being late to a crap-fest thread but no vegetarian thread should go into the bucket without New Age Girl by Dead Eye Dick.

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    ^^^^
    Those fake chicken nuggets have fooled many of my friends. The only 'fake' meat that I eat nowadays is Gimmelean (makes great burgers) and Smartdogs. Once in a great while, I'll grab a package of fake turkey slices, or Morningstar Farms crumbles.

    Seitan, beans, rice, etc is often used in place of meat in many of my recipes.

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    I use tempeh like it's going out of style. brown it in butter/ margarine with veggies( if you want) and then add a sauce of your choosing to the pan, reduce sauce. It's not that elaborate but a good sub for a protein. And I use quinoa a lot too though I have like zero recipes for it and end up with the same curried quinoa and lentils dish all the damn time.
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    Quinoa?

    I've never heard of Quinoa (and I thought I've eaten everything plant related). Do you use it as a rice or potato, or is it in a class of its own?

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    It's a pseudocereal. And one of the only complete proteins that come in grain form. it cooks like a rice. Same water to grain ratio and cook time. In your meals it's super versatile. eat cold with black beans chopped bell peppers and other produce and spices or hot with lentils and chickpeas. look at my previous posts for some good recipe resources with this awesome foodstuff.

    Also, it comes in two varieties regular white and red( I think they call it Inca). The red is more expensive though.
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    Lots to do with Quinoa... it is almost a grain, very similar altho not really. It is related to beets I believe, and is a good digestible substitute for rice, potatoes, pasta etc. I prefer the red variety, altho the regular is easier to find. There are a gazillion ways to incorporate it into dishes: great with stir fries, curries, even cold for breakfast with fruit.

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    Like said above, quinoa is very versatile. It can also be toasted before it's cooked to help bring out its flavor. I love it in burritos.

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    Very popular grain used by many of the indigenous peoples of Peru and Bolivia.

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    Quinoa can do! Woo!






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    i am a die-hard meat eater but i support vegetarian/vegan lifestyles. i live in the bay area. that's the way it is.

    but...show me a veggie burger that's as good as a real burger and i'll be your friend for life.

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    Quinoa is a grain with very high protein content. Quinoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I make a salsa with it I just add in some chopped up cilantro, red onion, jalapeo, craisins, tomato and mango.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    i am a die-hard meat eater but i support vegetarian/vegan lifestyles. i live in the bay area. that's the way it is.

    but...show me a veggie burger that's as good as a real burger and i'll be your friend for life.
    Betty Burgers veggie comes really close.

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    Gotta try the Garden Burger at Astro Burger in Hollywood if you go there... worth a detour...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Gotta try the Garden Burger at Astro Burger in Hollywood if you go there... worth a detour...
    ASTROBURGER FRIGGIN RAWKS!!!

    I remember that the Santa Monica one is not veggie but the Melrose one is....weird.

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    We have tried them all; vegan/veggie burghers at home, at local restaurants, at country fairs, commercially pre-packed under a variety of brand names, organic, and some not, and.....

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    while this burgher looks appetizing, and did have some decent flavor,


    Kobe Beef Burgher
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    this Kobe beef burgher wins out every time.

    My family and I just cannot get our heads and tastebuds wrapped around the fact that all this "fake" beef, pork, lamb, sausages, etc. just doesn't cut it. We are a large family, even larger around the holidays, and we are a culture that enjoys good food and the positive social aspect of how good food and drink brings us all together. Serving anything vegan that is not a side dish accompaniment, and as a substitute for a main meat, fish, pork, or poultry dish would be disastrous, at best.

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    You poor saps:
    Mark's Daily Apple
    Keep the Country country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    You poor saps:
    Mark's Daily Apple
    Interesting... lots of stuff for sale there, altho there's lots of stuff for sale on vegan/vegetarian sites too. I have no problem with meat eaters, each to their own. BUT, eating meat from the kind of places that the majority of our meat comes from, with the crap that gets put into the animals, does not have any interest for me. I also have a problem killing sentient beings when I do not absolutely have to in order to survive, so I shall continue to thrive on a plant based diet. Anyone who tries to tell me I cannot survive in a healthy way on this diet will not have any influence on me as I am firmly convinced that it is fine. I do not rule out eating meat if I know it comes from a healthy environment. My brother in law in the UK only eats meat of which he knows the provenance. He will go so far as to check beforehand with a restaurant or store that claims to have organic and free range produce, and find out where they get their meat and veg. He sometimes will visit the farm for himself to check, if it's not too far away. Good for him.
    Each to their own. The key, IMO, is a balanced diet with as few additives as possible, as little 'processed' food as possible, and regular exercise. Whether that includes meat or not is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I do not absolutely have to (eat animals) in order to survive, so I shall continue to thrive on a plant based diet. Anyone who tries to tell me I cannot survive in a healthy way on this diet will not have any influence on me as I am firmly convinced that it is fine.
    You sound like a religious zealot. "Science be damned, I believe this!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowjnky View Post
    hey me too LOL. awesome. Haters gonna hate
    Me too! We're like a persistent a-hole club or something.

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    Sitting back and taking in how this thread ended up.

    I started it for vegans and vegetarians to share some cool recipes and maybe share some non-skin riding gear. Rather than that making up most of the thread, people who have taken some weird, personal offense to vegans and vegetarians sharing info with each other find it necessary to chime in and tell us how wrong we are for making personal choices.

    So, the real question is for those who have wasted so much energy in telling vegans and vegetarians how wrong we are... what's in it for you to do so? All of us are pretty much strangers, we all make our own money and eating a vegetarian or vegan diet probably has absolutely no impact on you.

    This thread is not called, "Vegetarians are better than everybody else..." or "Meat eaters are destroying the world..." or "Eating meat is wrong..." but people seem to take it personal when v-peeps want to share some information.

    There are lots of things in this world that I'm offended by, but if people want to take part in those activities and it has nothing to do with me... why the f$ck do I care?

    Why do you care what I eat? I don't care what you eat! All those bleeding hearts that find it necessary to convert the world to vegan are idiots, and I, personally, am not one of those.

    Move along, nay sayers. This thread isn't for you, unless you're interested in some good tasting, non-meat meals... then, by all means, hang out.

    I'm pretty stoked to see there are other MTB'ers who have chosen this diet, and I've been reading some good posts from you who have contributed useful info to this thread. Now I am officially fascinated by "Tomato Pie".

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    Dion- I hear you. Like I said, I am not a vegetarian, but my wife is. As such, I have grown to greatly enjoy full vegetarian meals, and I eat meat about 20% as much as I used to. Wife and I discovered this one this week... along with grilled sriracha basted tempeh it was pretty damned good.

    Recipe 1: Cajun Butternut and Black Eyed Pea Saute'

    1/2 medium onion
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    3 slices bacon (Morning star fake bacon and 1 tbs. of butter)
    1 can (about 16 ounces) black-eyed peas
    5 cups diced butternut squash (Takes 1.5-2 squash)
    1/2 teaspoon Cajun seasoning blend
    1 finely chopped bell or anaheim pepper (seeded)

    Peel and finely chop onion and garlic. Cut bacon in 1/2-inch pieces. Drain and rinse black-eyed peas. Heat a large skillet over medium heat. Add bacon and cook until crisp. Transfer to paper towels to drain. Add onion to bacon drippings; cook until tender, about 3 minutes. Add garlic and cook 1 minute. Add squash, pepper, black-eyed peas, seasoning blend and 3/4 cup water. Cover and cook, stirring often, until squash is tender, about 10 minutes. Stir cooked facon in and serve.

    Active time: 15 minutes.
    Total time: 20 minutes.
    Servings: 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    You sound like a religious zealot. "Science be damned, I believe this!"
    Far from a religious zealot. And there is a lot of science to support my belief. I would never damn science, I just cannot be bothered sometimes to respond to some of the idiotic things that people try to get me to believe. I have been on this earth long enough, have read and experienced enough to have a pretty f**king shrewd idea what works and what does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Far from a religious zealot. And there is a lot of science to support my belief. I would never damn science, I just cannot be bothered sometimes to respond to some of the idiotic things that people try to get me to believe. I have been on this earth long enough, have read and experienced enough to have a pretty f**king shrewd idea what works and what does not.
    The key to any diet is knowing the nutritional content of the food and making informed choices--proper nutrition can come from a variety of sources. Science suggests that the average North American diet consumes more protein than is actually needed. Science is telling me that my liver produces a lot of LDL, which could lead to heart disease, a major killer in North America, if left unchecked over time. Eating a different diet lower in fatty meats (fish excepted) and exercise, like riding my MTB, can help mitigate this risk. Other people don't have such difficult livers; its why I punish mine a little with the ethanol! Teach it a lesson

    Not that I don't love me a steak, and that my current job is due in large part to the Canadian beef industry. I just can't eat a steak or pulled pork very often. And its definitely not my place to tell someone to replace their poutine with a salad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Far from a religious zealot. And there is a lot of science to support my belief. I would never damn science, I just cannot be bothered sometimes to respond to some of the idiotic things that people try to get me to believe. I have been on this earth long enough, have read and experienced enough to have a pretty f**king shrewd idea what works and what does not.
    As a fellow V-peep, I encourage you to ignore the nay-saying regarding our diet choices. I tell people I'm a vegetarian and they look at me like I have AIDS.

    Then the questions come up, "How do you get your protein?" and "Don't you feel weak?" and or "Science has proven we need meat..."; sometimes I get the "I knew a guy who was vegetarian and he still ended up dying..." That one always makes me laugh.

    I feel like the crying, bleeding hearts and Hollywood types have ruined it for folks like me. I can't tell somebody I'm a vegetarian without somebody getting butt hurt over it, and I'm not even preaching. The only thing I'm really "left leaning" is in regards to the environment (because I'm a mountain biker and I like my trails to be green and pollution free) and humane animal treatment (because I'm a mountain biker and I love animals). Aside from that, I'm pretty Right leaning. But the moment you say, "No thanks... I don't eat meat." people act like you flung poo at them.

    My wife tells me to not even bring it up because people are so sensitive over it and get offended. Makes absolutely no sense to me why that is - if somebody told me they don't eat broccoli - I just wouldn't give a sh*t.

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    I don't eat broccoli.

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    I'm totally with you. When I decided to go vegetarian, it felt like I was coming out of the closet to my parents and friends. Of course the first Thanksgiving at home was awkward: That day my family looked at me-afraid if they grabbed a drumstick I'd go into paroxyms throwing myself onto the dining room table grabbing my chest only to steal off with the turkey carcass to give it a proper burial.

    I remember someone asking what is the purpose of tofurkey. Besides being quite good (if prepared right), it's almost a psychological/gustational olive branch. Thank god whiskey is vegetarian as well, or I would never survive the holidays.

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    I don't know about anybody else, but I see too much drama and poor, poor me developing here. I had no idea going meatless results in all this angst. Me thinks I'll stick with what I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    I don't know about anybody else, but I see too much drama and poor, poor me developing here. I had no idea going meatless results in all this angst. Me thinks I'll stick with what I know.
    I've read the posts and they don't sound particularly "angsty." But that's a common meme when talking about/referring to vegetarians. Put up an innocuous topic wanting to share vegetarian/vegan recipes and eats and non-vegs can't wait to post opposing views and carcasses. Thank goodness no one has started a "I like live kittens" thread, I shudder to think of the posts for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilirubin View Post
    Science suggests that the average North American diet consumes more protein than is actually needed. Science is telling me that my liver produces a lot of LDL, which could lead to heart disease, a major killer in North America, if left unchecked over time. Eating a different diet lower in fatty meats (fish excepted) and exercise, like riding my MTB, can help mitigate this risk.
    That "science" is old and proven wrong. Read marksdailyapple.com and watch Fat Head on Hulu or Netflix. I don't care how other people want to live. I just feel bad for people who are misinformed (like I was for 29 years) and making bad choices because of it. I tell people once about this stuff, encourage them to research it, and leave them alone.
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    Yeah alright, thanks for that? I've adjusted my diet thanks to the recommendations of the Mayo Clinic and American Heart Association, but I'm sure this fellow flogging his own diet and wares must know better than evidence based medicine. I'll take a look, but I'll also be double checking claims against PubMed.

    ETA: or I just got trolled. Dunno.

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    Science tells me not to eat brightly colored frogs, centipedes, and milkweed. I'm sure there is somebody out there that will tell me different, but I'm sticking with science on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilirubin View Post
    Yeah alright, thanks for that? I've adjusted my diet thanks to the recommendations of the Mayo Clinic and American Heart Association, but I'm sure this fellow flogging his own diet and wares must know better than evidence based medicine. I'll take a look, but I'll also be double checking claims against PubMed.

    ETA: or I just got trolled. Dunno.
    Quote Originally Posted by dubthang View Post
    Science tells me not to eat brightly colored frogs, centipedes, and milkweed. I'm sure there is somebody out there that will tell me different, but I'm sticking with science on this one.
    Rick Perry be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I eat the meat of vegetarian animals...
    I only eat grass, milk, and beer fed (I know, I know, that meat & dairy thing) anti-biotic and hormone free, and Kosher butchered Black Angus and Wagyu cattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katt View Post
    Quinoa is a grain with very high protein content. Quinoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I make a salsa with it I just add in some chopped up cilantro, red onion, jalapeo, craisins, tomato and mango.
    Besides tasting great, it needs to cook for only 20 minutes. Last night I cooked up a pot of quinoa with some amaranth (just to be ber indigenous). Tasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    I only eat grass, milk, and beer fed (I know, I know, that meat & dairy thing) anti-biotic and hormone free, and Kosher butchered Black Angus and Wagyu cattle.
    That sounds good. Ever notice how much faster organic milk spoils compared to regular milk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaARNP View Post
    I only eat grass, milk, and beer fed (I know, I know, that meat & dairy thing) anti-biotic and hormone free, and Kosher butchered Black Angus and Wagyu cattle.
    Kosher butchered is some of the most inhumane butchering of them all. If I ate meat I'd rather not have its throat slit until it bleeds to death. A shot to the head would be more humane.

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    In the midst of math and searching I forgot who I originally intended this to be response to. However, here goes:

    Number of hits, search term and their percentage of total thread count on this site.

    197 vegan (.027%)

    68 vegan diet (.009%)

    11 vegan recipes ( .001%)

    3 vegan diet recipes (.0004%)

    All this out of 711,177 threads. No quotations around any of them. These percents may be wrong when you read this since new threads are started all the time. That big number is what the count was at when I did the math.

    So not that much in the way of being a... I forget what was actually said, something about the threads becoming angsty when this diet is brought up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeb View Post
    ah, the vegan/vegetarian vs meat eater threads. always the best ever. here we go now!
    Honestly this wasn't directed at you. But, in response to this post: It was never intended to be "that type" of thread. It was intended to be a place to swap recipes and resources; maybe the occasional witty banter. Simple as that. However I guess these things devolve quickly on the internet due to stigmas surrounding an apparently unmentionable diet.

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    Well, my thread went to sh*t.

    .......
    Terribly sorry about this bit here. Now it seems this is unfortunately destined for the recycle bin. But, in the interest of getting this thread back on track and being helpful to some folks:

    Two more good resources:
    "Becoming V3gan: The complete guide to adopting a healthy plant- based diet"
    By Belinda Davis, R.D. and Vesanto Melina, M.S., R.D.

    It should be your diet bible if you go this route. They also have one called Becoming V3getarian for those who still want dairy.

    "V3gan on the Cheap"
    By Robin Robertson

    For all you Brokely Carmichael's out there( me included).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble View Post
    That sounds good. Ever notice how much faster organic milk spoils compared to regular milk?
    Yes, and that's because so-called "organic" milk doesn't have to travel long distances to your store shelves....milk that travels is boiled and cooled to death so that it has a longer shelf life. Heat and cold damage to milk is why milk doesn't taste anything like the milk I remember from the 60's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AptosRider View Post
    Kosher butchered is some of the most inhumane butchering of them all. If I ate meat I'd rather not have its throat slit until it bleeds to death. A shot to the head would be more humane.
    You need to read up a bit more about Kosher butchering (Shechita) before you make that claim. A "shot to the head" as you call it, is called "stunning" where a bolt is shot into an animal's head rendering it unconscious before the actual slaughtering. Unfortunately, and as many animal rights groups have complained about, too often, animals regain consciousness while their throats are being cut, therefore subjecting the animal to pain and suffering. The Kosher method renders an animal permanently unconscious at the very time it's being slaughtered.

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    ^(wouldn't it just be easier to ignore posts like this?)^

    Now back to regular scheduled programming...

    So, I went for a 10 mile ride yesterday when the munchies hit. Barring the obligatory dried fruit/granola fare, whatcha guys packin' for ya snackin'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by longfinkillie View Post
    ^(wouldn't it just be easier to ignore posts like this?)^

    Now back to regular scheduled programming...

    So, I went for a 10 mile ride yesterday when the munchies hit. Barring the obligatory dried fruit/granola fare, whatcha guys packin' for ya snackin'?
    Dried fruit and granola. Hehe. Also, baked potato with some fixin's( butter or substitute, a few slices of avocado, cheese or nutritional yeast, whatever else you want on it). Bag of mixed nuts( almonds, walnuts, cashews, sometimes Brazil nuts and maybe some pistachios). Peanut butter and banana sandwich with honey/ agave nectar. Vegetable juice.
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    Id scrap the passion forum all together, its a breeding ground for unicorn milkers, rainbow chasers and candy cotton farters.

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