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    The Game Changers movie influence

    Of course I watched this move and the ďWhat the HealthĒ movie too.
    Iím not a vegan, I still eat fish, eggs, and have dairy. But Iím considering becoming completely plant based for 2020.
    Iím RN and work doing ďbig pictureĒ population health analysis. Iíve done white paper and executive summaries for Americans biggest Health Plans, so here is my personal perspective.
    #1 Most people 80% or greater have health problems brought on by poor nutrition and lack of exercise by the time they reach 60 years old.
    #2 Most will do the least amount of change to better their health.
    #3 Most find out that their health is failing after a catastrophic event and hospitalization.
    #4 The majority 50% or greater fall into the category ďtoo little, too lateĒ the damage has been done.
    Iím not trying to be negative but just make everyone more aware. Nobody can Make You Better. Your the captain of your ship and must navigate through life and take responsibility for your circumstances. Prevention and intervention while your a young adult is critical. If you havenít learned a discipline and healthy lifestyle and applied it, you better start. Itís never too late is a cliche and doesnít always apply.
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    Game changers is a giant steaming pile of vegan propaganda BS, financed by a guy with millions invested in pea protein. Look into the followup studies of the "success stories" highlighted in the film. Virtually all of them have failed, arguably as a direct result of their diet.

    If you want to be plant based (for whatever reason), that's fine, but know that it isn't optimal for human health, and you're probably going to end up hurting yourself in the long run.....although it is a step up from the standard American diet, which is why most people see improvements from going vegan, until the "honeymoon period" is over.

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    They interview Arnold Schwarzenegger and he praises vegan food. What they don't mention is he invested in fake meat companies. He also now rides an ebike.

    What I take from it, a strong man ate meat and was able to exercise with his muscles. Now he is a vegan and needs an electric motor to help with activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    They interview Arnold Schwarzenegger and he praises vegan food. What they don't mention is he invested in fake meat companies. He also now rides an ebike.

    What I take from it, a strong man ate meat and was able to exercise with his muscles. Now he is a vegan and needs an electric motor to help with activities.
    Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a vegan and never said he was in the film.

    If "plant based" means "plants only," (which they might mean, but don't say), then this certainly is a piece of propaganda.

    It is a film that makes a bunch of extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It lacks there.

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    I agree that it is a film trot alarm people into going vegan, and marketing to their personal investments may be at the root of it. The bottom line is diet plays a vital, life or death role into your health outcomes.
    Increasing your awareness into eating healthy and especially eating fresh vegetables produce and less fatty meat is a good idea, even if you donít go full vegan.
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    Bottom line:

    The average American is a fat **** and needs to eat a lot less meat and a lot more vegetables. Start there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Bottom line:

    The average American is a fat **** and needs to eat a lot less meat and a lot more vegetables. Start there.
    Bottom line:

    Meat and animal fats don't make people fat, they make people healthy. Eat a lot less sugar, carbs, and processed crap. Eat a lot more meat and fat. Start there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _CJ View Post
    Bottom line:

    Meat and animal fats don't make people fat, they make people healthy. Eat a lot less sugar, carbs, and processed crap. Eat a lot more meat and fat. Start there.
    Why not eat cheaper food (vegetables, beans) and put the saved money towards something else?





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    What's wrong with food is the way it's produced, both plant and animal. We need to change to more local and organic grown food, less shipping food around the world.

    As for a specific diet, the ideal varies A LOT between different people. I doubt I could go vegan and stay healthy but some can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a vegan and never said he was in the film.

    If "plant based" means "plants only," (which they might mean, but don't say), then this certainly is a piece of propaganda.

    It is a film that makes a bunch of extraordinary claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It lacks there.
    Now that I read it, he may be vegetarian, not vegan. At least he was talking about how he was so wrong in his old days to fall for the meat and now he eats vegetarian (or vegan). On the other hand, he may just eat meat and just says that veggie nonsense because that is how he makes money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    I doubt I could go vegan and stay healthy but some can.
    Yes you could. It's really, really easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113 View Post
    I doubt I could go vegan and stay healthy but some can.
    I was vegetarian for 13 years, and my health slowly declined in that time, attempting to go vegan at the end is pretty much what killed the whole deal. I totally fell off the wagon, and my health really declined further. I've recovered on Keto, and have now moved into carnivory, which seems to be turning back the clock big-time. Humans are supposed to eat meat. Our digestive system is not capable of handling the massive amount of fiber brought by vegetarian and vegan diets, hence all the gas and bowel movements. And all the soy, oh my god the soy!

    For sure though, there is common ground between vegans and carnivores in the need for sustainable farming practices. Unfortunately, most vegans claim a "moral superiority" that prevents them from interacting with others in a productive manner. I suspect it's because they know that the only way to get a handle on climate change is through regenerative agriculture, and eating copious amounts of meat.

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    What all the vegan people neglect to mention is the amount of supplements they take. A diet that requires supplements isn't really natural nor sustaining.
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    Seems to be lot of bad info in this thread. Kind of makes me suspicious if people are doing this on purpose or are just that misinformed. I'm not here to debate, just saying reader beware and do some actual research on your own rather than believing random internet posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HerrKaLeun View Post
    What all the vegan people neglect to mention is the amount of supplements they take. A diet that requires supplements isn't really natural nor sustaining.
    Vegan diets don't require supplements, besides B12. The majority of B12 production is for livestock so getting it from animal products is just second-hand supplementation. There's plenty of food fortified with B12 so you don't even have to take a pill if you don't want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Seems to be lot of bad info in this thread. Kind of makes me suspicious if people are doing this on purpose or are just that misinformed. I'm not here to debate, just saying reader beware and do some actual research on your own rather than believing random internet posts.
    Agreed.

    This is a good place to start:
    https://meatrx.com/


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    Let me point out that although I started off by talking about vegan agenda movies. The. my overall perspective is from data that I have analyzed from millions of patients that have American health insurance claims data and CMS disease diagnosis data.
    The bottom line is we can all learn that most extreme diets are crap and may reduce weight temporarily but weight loss doesnít mean your healthy. Damage from poor diets and lack of cardiovascular exercises will inevitably lead to chronic health issues.
    I completely believe that eating less fat, especially animal fat and eating more veggies, whole grains and legumes does equal a healthy diet.
    Especially much more healthy than diets that include adding additional saturated fats, believe me, most people eat way to much fried and fatty food.
    Most Americans, that end up needing life saving operations and high dose medications have been told by their doctors to lose weight and exercise more. So what do they do? In some cases a fad diet, in others nothing.

    I assume we are all cyclist here. Ride more and eat less crap, you may make it to retirement and enjoy your stable of bikes and time with your friends and family.
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    Google "What nutritionists think about game changers"

    Read no less than three entries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _CJ View Post
    Look into the followup studies of the "success stories" highlighted in the film. Virtually all of them have failed, arguably as a direct result of their diet.r.
    What?! Nick Diaz got fat and retired??? The Titans aren't in the playoffs?? LOL.

    I heard an interesting statistic, the number one reason diets fail is because people don't follow them. I have only watched the documentary. I found it fascinating and plan to try some of their recipes.

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    Iím not going vegan but Iím definitely cutting out all fried meat and fatty meat, especially beef and pork. So far itís working and my waist is 32Ē. Iíll be checking my body fat percentage next week. Iím sure it reduced from last fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _CJ View Post
    Agreed.

    This is a good place to start:
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    Conor McGregor came out of retirement yesterday and TKO'ed UFC's all-time wins leader Donald Cerrone in 40 seconds. Must have gone vegan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bingemtbr View Post
    What?! Nick Diaz got fat and retired??? The Titans aren't in the playoffs?? LOL.

    I heard an interesting statistic, the number one reason diets fail is because people don't follow them. I have only watched the documentary. I found it fascinating and plan to try some of their recipes.
    Nick Diaz got worked in his last fight, but he eats fish, so.... Cam Newton still injured, unable to heal, remind me who's in the Superbowl? There's a loooooong list of people who have destroyed their careers by going vegan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chazpat View Post
    Great, a commercial site with:

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    Pay no attention to the success stories. They aren't people who paid for assistance, they're just members of the community.

    And how much does your doctor and/or nutritionist charge?

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