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    Save The Trails Challenge moved to Sunday 3/29

    The ride has been moved to Sunday. Same time, same place one day late. Were very sorry for the inconvenience.

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    In the name of "saving the trails".

    BTW everyone, the entry fees from this ride are our major fund raiser for the year that helps cover the costs of lots and lots of trail work we do all year. We do thousands of hours of work in DuPont, Pisgah, Bent Creek Richmond Hill and are always expanding to new areas and new levels. We're always looking for more people to help with this.

    As one of the clubs trail monkeys out putting these funds to work, I want to say thanks for supporting Pisgah Area SORBA and this ride.

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    Rain or shine, unless it rains...
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    Rain or shine, unless it rains...
    to be fair, more like unless it rains and rains and rains and rains some more and then it pours....
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    Rain or shine, unless it rains...

    Irony...


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    Good call. For example, the Epic course included the Corn Mill Shoals crossing.
    Anyone want to do that at high water tommorrow during the inevitable flash flood warning?
    Only fools would say yes...
    And, FWIW, I believe land managers gave direct input to this decision.

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    what a joke....

    advertise a ride as rain or shine and then change it on the day before the event. I can promise that I won't be preregistering for any other sorba rides. Where is that thread on fair weather riders again?
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    the internet and the people that hide behind it never cease to amaze me.

    I am sure the decision to change the date was carefully considered. Thanks for all of yalls hard work.

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    Good job!

    There's fair weather, foul weather and just plain old f**cked weather.

    Check the rain gauges, there was 1 inch this week before today (see Conestee or Rich Mtn), there's been another inch today (actually just the last 6 hours), and the NWS forecast is for another 1-2 inches tomorrow. I'd say that qualifies for f**cked weather.

    Thanks to David, Mike B., Mike D, Van, and all the others for trying keep it on schedule and thanks to them for making a good call in the end on the reschedule. They were in a no-win situation and finally decided to favor the trails. I can live with that.

    And BTW - I'm guessing the conditions will only improve to foul by Sunday even if it isn't raining.
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    .......ahhh, bite tongue, bite tongue.

    this should be one message up.

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    I am glad to hear it has been moved to Sunday. I have to work on Saturday and was disappointed that I would miss what would be my first real MTB event. Now I can come hang out and crash into things.

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    so the trails will be dried out on sunday? Is the ride going on sunday? Or are we gonna wait til saturday afternoon and decide that it's too muddy? Maybe sorba shouldn't advertise the ride as a rain or shine ride if they are gonna bail at the last minute. The forcast has been for rain on saturday all week.

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    Faceless, internet drama queens who claim their favorite trail as, "all of Pisgah," but won't support the organization that works to open more of Pisgah to mountain bikes are hilarious.

    How's that for irony....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet9
    so the trails will be dried out on sunday? Is the ride going on sunday? Or are we gonna wait til saturday afternoon and decide that it's too muddy? Maybe sorba shouldn't advertise the ride as a rain or shine ride if they are gonna bail at the last minute. The forcast has been for rain on saturday all week.
    Somewhere out there there is somebody who, if the ride were on, would be on here ranting about how irresponsible it is to have people crossing a flooded river during a thunderstorm.

    They would be mad about losing their entry fee because they wouldn't ride in lightning and
    SORBA wouldn't reschedule. And they would be right here, typing their little hearts out.

    Things happen. *shrug*
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    More bad news!

    The Cat Slinging Contest has been canceled. The scheduled celebrity bailed due to other contractual obligations. Dang cat never helped with trail work anyway.

    Regardless of prior/post comments - there are other aspects to the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet9
    so the trails will be dried out on sunday? Is the ride going on sunday? Or are we gonna wait til saturday afternoon and decide that it's too muddy? Maybe sorba shouldn't advertise the ride as a rain or shine ride if they are gonna bail at the last minute. The forcast has been for rain on saturday all week.
    You can still ride on Saturday. DuPont never closes. Meet me at Guion farm at 9:30. Be ready to ride.

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    dang

    Mr Fluffy said he could not make it to the event,
    he has other plans. Too much humidity just ruins the fur.
    Doesnt do too much for Mr Fluffy either
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    For the sake of clarity allow me to say I was not complaining about the reschedule with my 'unless it rains' comment, just having a little fun (hence the thumbs up).... i was prepared to ride regardless of the conditions but was not particularly looking forward to it and was shuddering at the thought of putting my finely tuned bike through that kind of hell.

    The trails will still be soaked on Sunday and the river will still be high and my new brakes will still be all mucked up. If anyone is at Corn Mill Shoals when I get there feel free to indicate where the 'line' across is
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    AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH so many thoughts running through my head, And the extra time inside because of the rain. Lets see.......Jet9 yea your mad, I would be too if I had preregistered and planned my weekend around this event. And Maida calling Jet9 out to meet you Saturday morning that would be interesting.....this maybe more interesting than the Sunday ride.And the rest of you posters who are just mad because you don't know who Jet9 is, and he's venting here on MTBR. You may know who he is.......He may be you best riding buddy or the head of a big mountain bike organization.

    Dang, I gotta go eat; Keep this thread going till I get back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motobutane
    He may be you best riding buddy or the head of a big mountain bike organization.

    Heck.... it might be Jeremiah Bishop. Or LANCE !!!11!11!

    Holy crap.... IT'S NOT TEAMDICKY IS IT????? IS IT?????!!???!?!~?

    OOOOHHH OOHHH !!!!

    CAN WE GET THREE GUESSES?
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    THE POPE !

    Jet9 is really the Pope.... isn't he?

    THE POPE IS COMING TO DUPONT !!!! OMFG !
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motobutane
    Dang, I gotta go eat; Keep this thread going till I get back.
    Somehow I don't think that will be a problem
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    Is the route already marked for tomorrow? I am gonna meet Maida out there tomorrow and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broussard
    THE POPE !

    Jet9 is really the Pope.... isn't he?

    THE POPE IS COMING TO DUPONT !!!! OMFG !

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/brado1/3003057651/" title="faith2 by brado1, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/3003057651_6cc39a718a.jpg" width="500" height="293" alt="faith2" /></a>


    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/brado1/3248221596/" title="DSC_10150 by brado1, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3353/3248221596_9a3528252c.jpg" width="335" height="500" alt="DSC_10150" /></a>

    h8 h8 h8 h8 h8

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    Nick, you up for pushing that 21 around tomorrow in the rain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broussard
    Heck.... it might be Jeremiah Bishop. Or LANCE !!!11!11!

    Holy crap.... IT'S NOT TEAMDICKY IS IT????? IS IT?????!!???!?!~?

    OOOOHHH OOHHH !!!!

    CAN WE GET THREE GUESSES?

    This is three guesses!

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    This was quoted on the Southeast forum a few hours ago.

    I'd really follow the weather as it doesn't look good at all through Saturday night. As a practice, it's not good to ride trails within 24 hours of a rain event. After all the rain we've gotten this week, I'd give it a few days, personally.

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    you guys are making me want to come out and ride sunday. A little mud will be good for the soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruso414
    Nick, you up for pushing that 21 around tomorrow in the rain?
    I only get a pass for one day per weekend of riding, Sunday is going to work out better for me anyway.... hate to miss the 9:30 slopfest though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cruso414
    Is the route already marked for tomorrow? I am gonna meet Maida out there tomorrow and ride.
    It's not finished. They quit half way when we moved it to Sunday. We will be marking the rest tomorrow. We can use your help and you will get a big ride in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcstoned
    you guys are making me want to come out and ride sunday. A little mud will be good for the soul.
    Please come. A huge percentage of the people who registered were from out of town. With all the rain and then moving to Sunday, many have bailed. It be good to see some locals out to represent.

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    It's raining?

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    its not raining here in west asheville as of 7:31 am. But, the pea soup is still about.

    it would be a fun day in the mountains going in and out of the clouds, if it wernt SO WET.

    i think pas, or rather PNFand dupont is going to need a lot of trained volenteers(sp?) for this hurricane season, if it stays this wet all summer. one decent wind and its going to be root balls galore.
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    we are finally getting back into our normal "rainforest" weather pattern. I remember back about 8-9 years ago, I rode in the rain almost every afternoon around 4:00pm.

    On another topic, anybody know who maintained the trails 4 years ago before sorba was formed? I have wondered if it was hiking groups or was it equestrian clubs?

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    Blue Ridge Bicycle Club

    Before they were a road group they were a Bicycle Club. I did a number of trail work sessions with and in the name of BRBC for years. Otherwise yeah horse clubs and hiking clubs.

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    Good job! I can ride now

    Sponsoring Assault today, now I we can ride tomorrow. Wet Dupont... better than NO Sorba Fundraiser, especially when we slowly getting our feet in the door with the Forest Service.

    I will bring Discount Coupons to The Hub at Backcountry for everyone who comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redriderbb
    Before they were a road group they were a Bicycle Club. I did a number of trail work sessions with and in the name of BRBC for years. Otherwise yeah horse clubs and hiking clubs.
    For the few years prior to PAS, Todd B. and I separately organized a few work days here and there, but there was nothing else organized and official going on to my knowledge. Based purely on direct experience guessing, I'd say that we've done at least 5-10 times the number of human hours of work in our 3-4 years of operation than were done in the 3-4 years prior to PAS inception.

    To anybody who wants to complain about the event cancelling/ effectiveness of PAS...everyone would love to see you start your own thing and get more people involved. If you want something different, make it happen. While I have very very little to do with Save the Trails, everybody involved with PAS on any project are just volunteers doing to best we can with what we've got. Props to anyone who volunteers time for anything in ther lives, no matter what it may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    To anybody who wants to complain about the event cancelling/ effectiveness of PAS...everyone would love to see you start your own thing and get more people involved. If you want something different, make it happen. While I have very very little to do with Save the Trails, everybody involved with PAS on any project are just volunteers doing to best we can with what we've got. Props to anyone who volunteers time for anything in ther lives, no matter what it may be.
    We have already been working on the new pisgah area club.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=501932

    In case the member's of sorba feel unappreciated, you are. I don't volunteer my time to sorba because I work all the time. I don't think anyone is complaining about the effectiveness of sorba, I think the complaint is that the ride was advertised as a rain or shine ride and when it rained, the plug got pulled. It pissed me off since I had swapped off days with someone at work so I could support sorba's fund raiser. I also had decided not to do the assault on the carolina's because I would rather my money go towards my fellow mountain bikers club than the rotorary club. Don't sweat it though, I am sure that PAS did what they thought was best and they certainly can't make everyone happy all the time.

    I got the day off tomorrow so I will get to do the rescheduled ride, .....unless it gets rescheduled again.

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    SORBA was invented to please everybody. i'm just disapointed because I can't volunteer today at the first aid station. I bet JET9 would be *****in' by the first aid station because his precious bike would be not working very well and his crotch was all rubbed raw! BTW, chamios butter will not be at my aid station! And no, I don't have any spare brake pads.

    Good call Van, David, and all who made this decision. I am also the head of the complaint dept. tomorrow. I'll be at the first aid station. I'm the overgrown one. See you there JET9. We can discuss how we can better serve you as a volunteer group!

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    will you be applying chamois cream if we bring our own?

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    I remember hearing somewhere that putting cooking spray on your chain helps keep the mud off. Anybody ever tried that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike
    I remember hearing somewhere that putting cooking spray on your chain helps keep the mud off. Anybody ever tried that?
    No, but you can fry a mean egg in Pro-Link.
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    so what do you think its going to be like tomorrow? think its going to be muddy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f00lzBurden
    so what do you think its going to be like tomorrow? think its going to be muddy?
    nah, I think it will be nice and dry by tomorrow morning
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    There won't be any mud

    David is out there as we speak blow-drying the route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruso414
    will you be applying chamois cream if we bring our own?
    Yes just bend over my brotha !

    Wait, I don't here anything from Jet9? Hello? I need some more suggestions to better serve people as a leader of a volunteer group! You the man !

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    I ride a Jet 9......

    Quote Originally Posted by 4000psi
    Yes just bend over my brotha !

    Wait, I don't here anything from Jet9? Hello? I need some more suggestions to better serve people as a leader of a volunteer group! You the man !
    do I get to give suggestions to the leader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruso414
    David is out there as we speak blow-drying the route.
    gosh, I hope he takes a break during earth hour
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    has anyone heard, are we still on for tommorow? (sunday)? I have about 6 people with me and we are driving from Greenville. Looking forward to it! Even if i break my neck in the mud.

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    I hear go. Should be good fun.

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    Someone could make a killing with a bike wash concession.

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    Done!

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    my wrench needs a good workout, so bring him your bike for a sparkle coat

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    Van, Carlos and I spent several quality hours in DuPont marking the trails today. It was super wet but not so muddy. I think things will be in OK shape for the ride tomorrow. The only really soft areas were where trail work was done recently. The trail tread in DuPont is super hard. During the heavy rain the trails looked like rivers but there was no loose dirt to make mud. At the end of the day my bike was covered in a fine silt. No glops.

    One thing we did learn is that using a blow-drier in the rain is a shocking experience

    PS: The little river crossing will be an adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4000psi
    Good call Van, David, and all who made this decision. I am also the head of the complaint dept. tomorrow. I'll be at the first aid station. I'm the overgrown one. See you there JET9. We can discuss how we can better serve you as a volunteer group!
    Volunteer group or not, this was advertised/presented as an organised event that we paid for, and was labeled rain or shine. Personally, I looked at the forecast on Wed and thought it should be canceled or moved. I wouldn't have come today, and probably won't tomorrow due to the trail conditions, even though I'm pre-registered.

    HOWEVER, sending an email cancellation less than 24hrs prior is amateurish at best. It's not like the weather conditions should have been a big surprise. Regardless of whether it was a good decision or not, it was handled in a very poor way. Especially for those riders from out-of-town who had arranged to be there.

    If you're going to advertise something and charge people, then don't be surprised if they get ticked off when you don't deliver.

    I know my money is going towards a good cause, so I'm only annoyed instead of seriously pissed (it helps that I'm local). Unfortunately, this snafu is probably not going to help you at all in future events or in bringing in new members.

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    get ready...

    Quote Originally Posted by ard00d
    Volunteer group or not, this was advertised/presented as an organised event that we paid for, and was labeled rain or shine. Personally, I looked at the forecast on Wed and thought it should be canceled or moved. I wouldn't have come today, and probably won't tomorrow due to the trail conditions, even though I'm pre-registered.

    HOWEVER, sending an email cancellation less than 24hrs prior is amateurish at best. It's not like the weather conditions should have been a big surprise. Regardless of whether it was a good decision or not, it was handled in a very poor way. Especially for those riders from out-of-town who had arranged to be there.

    If you're going to advertise something and charge people, then don't be surprised if they get ticked off when you don't deliver.

    I know my money is going towards a good cause, so I'm only annoyed instead of seriously pissed (it helps that I'm local). Unfortunately, this snafu is probably not going to help you at all in future events or in bringing in new members.
    for the slamfest to begin. This is gonna be funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ard00d
    Volunteer group or not, this was advertised/presented as an organised event that we paid for, and was labeled rain or shine. Personally, I looked at the forecast on Wed and thought it should be canceled or moved. I wouldn't have come today, and probably won't tomorrow due to the trail conditions, even though I'm pre-registered.

    HOWEVER, sending an email cancellation less than 24hrs prior is amateurish at best. It's not like the weather conditions should have been a big surprise. Regardless of whether it was a good decision or not, it was handled in a very poor way. Especially for those riders from out-of-town who had arranged to be there.

    If you're going to advertise something and charge people, then don't be surprised if they get ticked off when you don't deliver.

    I know my money is going towards a good cause, so I'm only annoyed instead of seriously pissed (it helps that I'm local). Unfortunately, this snafu is probably not going to help you at all in future events or in bringing in new members.
    *****in' about money for a charity ride? you got problems

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    on our way up now. see you guys in an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
    *****in' about money for a charity ride? you got problems
    First of all, I don't think this classifies as a charitable organisation. Secondly, it didn't say, donate to us and we might follow through and actually provide what we advertised. This is not acceptable behaviour for any organisation, regardless of status.

    This org was, in effect, selling a service - the ride- and failed to provide that service which they sold. This wasn't an informal gathering of you and your buddies. It was a paid event. Period.

    If you paid for something and didn't receive what you paid for, how would you like it if the seller told you it was YOUR problem and not theirs.

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    I just got home from the ride. I gotta say, those were the wettest trail conditions I have ever ridden in. But, for the most part, it was very loose mud and didn't clog up my drive train. I tried the cooking spray thing. Don't know if it helped or not. Many of the trails were in great shape, considering the recent weather. Even the wet ones were rideable. I only had to push because of mud a couple of times.

    You haven't lived until you have crossed the creek at Corn Mill Shoals with cold water up to mid-thigh. Thanks for the rope guys. Maybe they will build a nice bridge there one of these days.

    I would like to say thanks to David and everyone who worked so hard to put this event together. To everyone who is *****ing and moaning, I invite you to put on a big ride and try and do a better job. They had to make a tough call with the weather and I think they made the right one. It is impossible to please everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike
    I just got home from the ride. I gotta say, those were the wettest trail conditions I have ever ridden in. But, for the most part, it was very loose mud and didn't clog up my drive train. I tried the cooking spray thing. Don't know if it helped or not. Many of the trails were in great shape, considering the recent weather. Even the wet ones were rideable. I only had to push because of mud a couple of times.

    You haven't lived until you have crossed the creek at Corn Mill Shoals with cold water up to mid-thigh. Thanks for the rope guys. Maybe they will build a nice bridge there one of these days.

    I would like to say thanks to David and everyone who worked so hard to put this event together. To everyone who is *****ing and moaning, I invite you to put on a big ride and try and do a better job. They had to make a tough call with the weather and I think they made the right one. It is impossible to please everyone.
    Glad you had a good time and the fundraiser was a success! But please don't open the "we need to build a bridge across the river at Corn Mill Shoals" can of worms! Next thing ya know, we got bridges and boardwalks everywhere.

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    Speaking of the River Crossing...

    ...how about a few shots of STT riders crossing Little River at Corn Mill Shoals today.
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    Routes to be Posted on PAS Site...

    David,
    I have submitted the routes for the Epic and Expert rides to the PAS site--please approve as needed!
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    Had a great time today in DP! Thank you: Pisgah Area SORBA (esp. Dave, Van and Carlos - the course was superbly marked); Rest Station Volunteers (esp. Beth, Justin and Bruce); Sponsors (good luck Gearheads!); Matt from Liberty Bikes; and all the great folks who worked hard to make this event possible. 'Preciate DP for appropriately sanctioning the event too! Most importantly, thanks and praises to Jah - or mother nature - or whomever was responsible for the perfect weather and the post-biblical-rain-explosion-of-spring that unfolded throughout the many hours it took me to lug my single speed through the 44mile course. i found trail conditions to be wet more than muddy, and while we must concede that trail damage (among other insensitivities to the forest and its inhabitants) was done, i buy into the rationalization that the damage will prove minimal, over time. hope we raised a bundle of cash and look forward to future events with y'all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailZen
    David,
    I have submitted the routes for the Epic and Expert rides to the PAS site--please approve as needed!
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    I've published them BUT

    The Epic is missing the route info.

    And could you post the easy ride as well? Jake and had a blast. The stuff on the other side of Sky Valley Rd was fun and bombing down Jim Branch was awesome

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    Routes Edited as Needed...

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    I've published them BUT

    The Epic is missing the route info.

    And could you post the easy ride as well? Jake and had a blast. The stuff on the other side of Sky Valley Rd was fun and bombing down Jim Branch was awesome
    David,
    Thanks for the rapid publishing on these--I've edited the Epic route to replace the missing route info (not sure what happened, but a simple cut and paste fixed it). And, I've submitted the Intermediate ride, too--Glad to hear that you and Jake enjoyed that section of the Forest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65
    Glad you had a good time and the fundraiser was a success! But please don't open the "we need to build a bridge across the river at Corn Mill Shoals" can of worms! Next thing ya know, we got bridges and boardwalks everywhere.


    I was not aware that this was a touchy subject. But it sure would be nice to have in the wintertime. Even a nice row of large rocks that you can walk across. like they have at Reasonover, would be preferable to stepping in 40 degree water on a 40 degreee day. One row of big rocks doesn't turn Dupont into Disneyland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailZen
    David,
    Thanks for the rapid publishing on these--I've edited the Epic route to replace the missing route info (not sure what happened, but a simple cut and paste fixed it). And, I've submitted the Intermediate ride, too--Glad to hear that you and Jake enjoyed that section of the Forest!

    TZ
    We rode too quick and I only ended up with one blurry photo. Here's Jake at the rocky end to Jim Branch. Notice, he's not taking the cheater line.

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    As I was reclining the the back of the Granny Wagon at the Barn, listening to Round Five Rain hammering the roof at 4 a.m. - all I could think was: No one is going to show up. This is really bad. I'll be making banana bread, banana pancakes and banana cookies all week. WTF am I doing here!?!

    Up early, no time to make breakfast. I wanted a banana really bad. The people came.

    Gal comes through the last aid station... "I wasn't going to do this, but I've had a frigging awesome rocking blast today - wow - jelly beans and cheese!!!"



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    It's all about the nourishment. Some of you may not like what Nature or PAS "served", and your input means a lot - but if you still want sour grapes - bring your own cheap whine.

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    The ride was great, I don't think I have ever ridden in that much water but it was fun. I have to admit that Van and the crew made the right decision whether or not it was advertised as "rain or shine".

    I hope Mike Brown is o.k., I wouldn't have wanted his job of the "sweeper" today.

    It was a really great ride even though my group wound up with 48 miles due to the church visit and back up the road. Next time could you make it a little warmer in the morning? something around 50-55 degrees.

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    Feather Man get's the perseverence award for today. He was NOT giving up no matter what. Way to go man, BLACK MOUNTAIN HOOLIGANS!

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    I had a great time. I thought the route was great and very well marked. Highlights for me include: climbing Joanna, riding alone most of the day, llamas on airstrip, smelling K*ntz at the quarry, finally seeing other riders on the climb up Ridgeline... It was a good day to be in the woods!
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    Dear PAS,

    I'm really sore about this whole Save The Trails ride. First, I was really counting on a miserable day of rain and mud and you had to go an move the event to a beautiful sunny day. It wasn't even hot! Second, I took a wrong turn at a perfectly well marked intersection and rode downhill a whole mile and a half. Then I had to ride back uphill just to get back on course. Third, all the people at the rest stops were so nice. I suppose it's easy to be nice when you are enjoying other people's suffering. I mean between the granola bar banana hors devours, the fresh water, the jelly beans and the poweraid - I spent a good hour at least trying to pry my riding buddies away from the refreshments. Third, that whole rope safety thing at Corn Mill Shoals, with the take off your shoes and leave on your socks and one at a time - I put my big tires on just so I could try and ride it and you guys get all "safety first" on me... and then that TrailZen guy taking pictures. Dang, my wife thought I'd gone to Sunday services this morning. What the h**l am I gonna tell her if she finds my mug on somebody's blog? At least I made sure not to smile so she wouldn't think I was having any fun.

    So now here I am at home, it's a few hours later and I'm still sore about the whole thing. Maybe it's the 47 miles I rode, maybe it's the 7,300 ft of climbing (that's what MotionBased says anyway). Maybe it's just that I had such a good time that I didn't notice how sore I was until I got home

    BTW - when I got home I cleaned my bike right away and there was a big pile of dirt on the floor. So I made sure to save the trail, just like PAS told me too. But I've got one question - what should I do with the trail now that I've saved it? Maybe I'll take it back our to Dupont tomorrow.

    Awesome job to all the volunteers and to PAS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ard00d
    First of all, I don't think this classifies as a charitable organisation..
    Pisgah Area SORBA is a 501(c)-3 non-profit. No person makes money. All money is returned to trail advocacy efforts. Donations are tax deductible.

    This post is intentionally designed to NOT please everybody.

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    [I hope Mike Brown is o.k., I wouldn't have wanted his job of the "sweeper" today.
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    Fine. Coming at Mach 4 down Poplar Mtn Loop, my CC Ergo Bar end snagged a woody vine I didn't see. First time in 15 years of running bar ends that I've had this proverbial crash situation- it was like somebody lassoed my bike out from under me.
    Helmet did it's job.
    Got in about 6:45 pm with all that ribbon picked up.

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    HA! I know what you mean. All these youngsters w/out bar ends will never get to experience that sensation of being catapulted into the ground. The best part is you don't get that moment of dread when you're about to crash. You're on the ground before you know there's a problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    Pisgah Area SORBA is a 501(c)-3 non-profit. No person makes money. All money is returned to trail advocacy efforts. Donations are tax deductible.

    This post is intentionally designed to NOT please everybody.
    I'm really not trying to start anything or keep this going, but

    Non-profit != charitable.

    And anyway, I applaud the effort and work you guys do. I think we're all lucky to have an organisation that supports our sport and help maintain the trails we all enjoy.

    My only point is that when you take money and advertise something, people expect you to provide what you sold. In this case, you didn't. I've done hundreds (yes really) of races and ride-type events in the past, and I can tell ya that this kind of thing just wouldn't fly anywhere else...the event would get a bad rep and wither and possibly die. Given the circumstances, you guys might deserve a little slack on this one, but that doesn't change the facts.

    The only reason I even posted in the first place was due to the smart remarks made towards others who had legitimate complaints, and received nothing more than the school yard smack-talk that seems to overrun these boards.

    Anyway, good luck to PAS in the future. I hope the people actually in charge will listen to all the comments made, both good and bad. I also hope that many of the attitudes on this forum are not representative of the group as whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedchick
    HA! I know what you mean. All these youngsters w/out bar ends will never get to experience that sensation of being catapulted into the ground. The best part is you don't get that moment of dread when you're about to crash. You're on the ground before you know there's a problem!
    ive knuckle basher done this. i always seem to land on my back though, like in a figure 4 with my cleat still cliped in... fun stuff. thanks for all you hard work PAS.

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    It WAS a Sunday Service!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ridn29s
    ...Third, that whole rope safety thing at Corn Mill Shoals, with the take off your shoes and leave on your socks and one at a time - I put my big tires on just so I could try and ride it and you guys get all "safety first" on me... and then that TrailZen guy taking pictures. Dang, my wife thought I'd gone to Sunday services this morning. What the h**l am I gonna tell her if she finds my mug on somebody's blog? At least I made sure not to smile so she wouldn't think I was having any fun...

    Awesome job to all the volunteers and to PAS![/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
    Hey, Ridn29s--
    I think several riders were praying as they made their river crossing, so the event should qualify as 'Sunday services'! The river crossing gang (Chuck-TZ, Tia, Mike 1, Carlos, Mike 2, and Joe) are pleased to report that there were no baptisms (except for one shoe which is still immersed somewhere below the crossing). Send me your email address with photo info (which shot is you?) and I'll send you a full-resolution image of your crossing!

    Thanks to ALL riders for understanding that the river crossing needed to be a SLOW process!

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    TZ did you get photos of everyone crossing? we were the last 25 mile group that came through, (i think) you guys toook a picture of our group with my camera, but i sure would love love to have one of us actually crossing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCmntbiker
    TZ did you get photos of everyone crossing? we were the last 25 mile group that came through, (i think) you guys toook a picture of our group with my camera, but i sure would love love to have one of us actually crossing.

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    Jeremie:

    You guys crossed the river and did the full 25?

    These guys planned to do the 12 miler but when I put pink tape on thier number plates they changed their minds.

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    full 25 no pink for us!

    Ya we did,,, Thought i was going to die, but we finished it, got in at 3:00, pretty embarrassing time but just glad we made it back a live... Thanks for putting on a great event and we will for sure be back up there soon. if you guys ever get down to Greenville looks us up. we are out at PMSP every Tuesday and on the weekends.

    I posted some pics on our facebook group page if you want to check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCmntbiker
    Ya we did,,, Thought i was going to die, but we finished it, got in at 3:00, pretty embarrassing time but just glad we made it back a live... Thanks for putting on a great event and we will for sure be back up there soon. if you guys ever get down to Greenville looks us up. we are out at PMSP every Tuesday and on the weekends.

    I posted some pics on our facebook group page if you want to check them out.

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    That's what the Challenge is all about. You guys ROCK

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    thanks man! as soon as i can figure out how to post pics to this fourm i will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ard00d
    Given the circumstances, you guys might deserve a little slack on this one, but that doesn't change the facts.
    Dupont received nearly 3 1/2 inches of rain from late Tuesday through Saturday evening, I think that qualifies as circumstances, heck it might even qualify as an "act of god."

    The only reason I even posted in the first place was due to the smart remarks made towards others who had legitimate complaints, and received nothing more than the school yard smack-talk that seems to overrun these boards.
    You want to criticize? Then do it in a positive manner and make a constructive proposal. I'm confident that the complaints were read/heard and that next year there will be some changes. To be frank, your original post was pretty smackish itself, calling out the organizers and such. Most of the people who smack'd back know the organizers and know how hard they worked to pull this event off. That's what school-yard smack is all about - keeping your bud's back.

    Anyway, good luck to PAS in the future. I hope the people actually in charge will listen to all the comments made, both good and bad. I also hope that many of the attitudes on this forum are not representative of the group as whole.
    Come ride with us sometime, lot's of rides are posted here in the forum. Let's forgive and forget. Most attitudes go away in the woods and on the trail. And for what it's worth, there's always a good bit of school-yard smack on the trail. But it's easier to see the fun in it when you're in the flesh. This medium just doesn't work as well for good-natured ribbing.
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    ...Didn't Get Shots of All Crossing...

    Quote Originally Posted by SCmntbiker
    TZ did you get photos of everyone crossing? we were the last 25 mile group that came through, (i think) you guys toook a picture of our group with my camera, but i sure would love love to have one of us actually crossing.

    Thanks,

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    Jeremie,
    No, I didn't get shots of everyone--when large groups came through, I was often too busy prying fingers off the rope to get photos! I'm not sure I got ANY shots of your group--I was having battery issues about that time. I took your group shots with your camera after you were all across. I've reviewed my shots for the pink tape, but don't see any. When you post a group shot, I'll look at it and if I see any familiar clothing, I'll post the corresponding crossing shot... Congrats to the group for finishing a challenging route!
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    ...Many Lessons Were Learned!

    Quote Originally Posted by ard00d
    Anyway, good luck to PAS in the future. I hope the people actually in charge will listen to all the comments made, both good and bad. I also hope that many of the attitudes on this forum are not representative of the group as whole.
    While I was certainly not "in charge", I've helped with the planning and execution of this event for several weeks now, and can assure you that we are listening to ALL comments on the event. Next time I write a series of routes for a similar event, I will have a set of 'rain routes' set aside for contingencies. And I'll have a better plan for flagging 'shared' segments of trail, etc. We'll have an event review meeting soon, and will generate a list of 'lessons learned' so that next year's event is bigger and better, whatever the weather!

    As to attitudes exhibited on this forum, please keep in mind that not everyone who comments is affiliated with PAS, and that many people who comment are only tuned into 'WII-FM"--What's In It For Me! The anonymity of web-based forums allow some of us to display more of our arses than we would otherwise show, and the writing skills some of us employ make our comments more caustic than we sometimes intend.

    Peace--
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    Group Picture. Lets see if this works. if not i added it to my photos.


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    Group picture

    Here is a group picture after crossing the river.
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    Thanks SORBA!

    Way to go people! You came, you rode, you rock! It was great to see so many smiles despite the less than favorable conditions, lack of brakes, or in some cases missing shoes. It was nice to take a day off the bike and help out and a big thanks goes to SORBA for putting it together. Props to a well run event. See you next year!

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    actual photos

    I love the red x's in the box but I do take better photos than that. Enjoy.
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