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    The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    Jun 15th.

    Mark your calendars.

    Put on by Pisgah Productions... I think they know how to throw a party.

    Pisgah Enduro | Old Fort, North Carolina 28762 | Saturday, June 22, 2013

    Keep in mind that the date is JUNE 15th, NOT JUNE 22nd. The Active link will be updated soon.
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    Registered! stoked!

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    That's right, Everybody!

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    Sorry but TRBL trail selection those are some lame dhs for our area

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    Hey SDC,

    It's an ENDURO race.

    Not a downhill race.

    You are TRBL.
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    Let's call this the 'sequester' course. 2014 will include one favorite in particular that we couldn't use this year because of permit issues.... permit pending

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    But the racing is done on dhs no? I guess I had extra high hopes for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercusty View Post
    But the racing is done on dhs no? I guess I had extra high hopes for this.
    I know you have some concept of what an enduro race is, SDC. Mostly DH, most definitely not DH bike specific, most definitely an all day ride with some climbing between stages, and not pure DH courses.

    Keep in mind, this is the first PERMITTED enduro race in Pisgah ever. Is there a chance it will get bigger/better after the USFS sees that it can be done?
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    Then I am still very excited

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    Where is Rattlesnake?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Where is Rattlesnake?
    I don't have a trace of the trail but it's on Ridgecrest's property (trail map here).

    General location of the trail is here.

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    Thought I was posting an old link to a friend who is leaving the flow trails soon and you slackers popped up. Thank you. This was a great mistake.
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    The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    Any idea on total milage? Length of climbs and downs? What about a course description?

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    I'll go ahead and plead ignorance here. I have heard of enduro races and have a general understanding of the format, but am a little sketchy on the specifics. Does everyone start together and ride to the first timed section and then they do like an individual time trial on that section?

    This sounds like good fun.
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    Stoke level = high.

    I'm also interested in the format exactly. No racing on the uphills I'm assuming, so basically, it's a slow ride from the start up the first hill and then race downhill, right? Are there any benefits to climbing well, or is 100% of the focus exactly on the downhill?

    Guess I should put that Lyrik fork on the Remedy for this one.

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    Here is the format:
    There will be a neutral roll-out from Old Fort under police escort to Old 70.
    Once on Old 70 you will be following course tape.
    We'll go to Ridgecrest first. The climb to the Helipad from the bottom of Old 70 is like, 100 miles. Just kidding, except, it will NOT be easy or big bike friendly.
    Rattlesnake to the ballfields is first up.
    If you get to the downhill section first, you get to descend first. Racers will descend in 1 min. intervals.
    If you don't want to wait in line, get in line first.
    Then we'll go to Kitsuma. Same as before. FIFO.
    Please remember there is a relatively significant climb on Kitsuma (during the timed section), again, not big bike friendly.
    Then we'll ride allllllllllll the way to the bottom of Heartbreak, climb up the switchbacks, then the third timed section will be Star Gap to Jarred Creek.

    Course map/milage/elevations will be available very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    I'll go ahead and plead ignorance here. I have heard of enduro races and have a general understanding of the format, but am a little sketchy on the specifics. Does everyone start together and ride to the first timed section and then they do like an individual time trial on that section?

    This sounds like good fun.
    I'm not sure I understand what "enduro" racing is. Just read an article in Dirt Rag and they said it's the same riding I'm already doing with my friends.??? I thought that was XC, lol. For some it would be ride at max speed for about a mile and take a 5 minute break. What kind of bike set-up are we talking about? What is a "big bike?" Man, I'm lost.
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    Enduro.
    Timed downhill sections. Untimed, social pace, everything else. So, it's a lot like a ride with your buddies in that you can talk about the weather or whatever in between downhills. You don't have to kill it the entire time on course. If you've ever been on a ride with me or my friends this is exactly the format we follow. Climbing is what needs to happen so we can go downhill as fast as humanly possible. The only difference with an Enduro is there will be timing systems, stocked rest areas, and EMS personnel on course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Here is the format:
    There will be a neutral roll-out from Old Fort under police escort to Old 70.
    Once on Old 70 you will be following course tape.
    We'll go to Ridgecrest first. The climb to the Helipad from the bottom of Old 70 is like, 100 miles. Just kidding, except, it will NOT be easy or big bike friendly.
    Rattlesnake to the ballfields is first up.
    If you get to the downhill section first, you get to descend first. Racers will descend in 1 min. intervals.
    If you don't want to wait in line, get in line first.
    Then we'll go to Kitsuma. Same as before. FIFO.
    Please remember there is a relatively significant climb on Kitsuma (during the timed section), again, not big bike friendly.
    Then we'll ride allllllllllll the way to the bottom of Heartbreak, climb up the switchbacks, then the third timed section will be Star Gap to Jarred Creek.

    Course map/milage/elevations will be available very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Enduro.
    and EMS personnel on course.
    Can they assist me if my wife goes into labor while I am out on the course?
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    Quote Originally Posted by extrmtao View Post
    Daaaaaaaaannggg Dawg, This ain't your Momma's Enduro. This is MANDURO.
    Well, it will be a Pisgah Productions event, that's for certain....
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    Any way to link these downhills with a truck between??

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    Quote Originally Posted by r_evans View Post
    Any way to link these downhills with a truck between??
    During the event? No way. For practice beforehand? Kinda.
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    Thanks.

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    This actually sounds awesome. Of course I'm in a wedding that weekend. Maybe next time around.
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    Congratulations on putting this on! Been waiting for an enduro in Pisgah for a couple of years. Stoked about it and will be there!

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    Hey Everybody!
    Things just keep getting better and better for the 2013 Pisgah Enduro.

    Who likes to climb 10 miles of paved/gravel roads on a mountain bike during the hottest month of the year? Nobody... when there's a SHUTTLE available. We're putting everyone on buses.

    Who wants to stop before the end of the downhill when you could continue rocketing down the hill? Nobody... period. The end of stage 1 will now end at the pavilion rather than the benches above the ballfields.

    Even more good stuff to be announced soon.
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    Sounds GREAT! Headed up to preride it this weekend. When do you think the course maps and details will be available? Looking forward to it.

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    How many spaces available and how many have been filled?

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    The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    There will be a shuttle for all 3 stages?? We ride down and then shuttle to the next location? Is this correct? The description on the reg page sounds like there is only a shuttle to the first stage.

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    Good luck driving a truck to the top of Star Gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Mueller- View Post
    How many spaces available and how many have been filled?
    120 spots available. 58 filled as of 4/3
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    Quote Originally Posted by trap121 View Post
    There will be a shuttle for all 3 stages?? We ride down and then shuttle to the next location? Is this correct? The description on the reg page sounds like there is only a shuttle to the first stage.
    NOT correct.

    We will shuttle you (and your bike!) from Old Fort to Ridgecrest.
    You will ride up the paved road of death/adventure trail.
    Stage 1 Rattlesnake.
    You will ride from Ridgecrest to Kitsuma.
    Stage 2 Kitsuma from the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area
    You will ride from the picnic area to the bottom of Heartbreaker.
    Stage 3 Star Gap trail from Heartbreak to Jerrod Creek.
    You will ride the 10 miles back to the start/finish/party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    NOT correct.

    We will shuttle you (and your bike!) from Old Fort to Ridgecrest.
    You will ride up the paved road of death/adventure trail.
    Stage 1 Rattlesnake.
    You will ride from Ridgecrest to Kitsuma.
    Stage 2 Kitsuma from the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area
    You will ride from the picnic area to the bottom of Heartbreaker.
    Stage 3 Star Gap trail from Heartbreak to Jerrod Creek.
    You will ride the 10 miles back to the start/finish/party.
    Got it, thanks for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    120 spots available. 58 filled as of 4/3

    Make it 59! Registered. One of the few events i'm planning on attending this year so thanks a ton for making it happen.

    Guess I need to go ride the trails soon.

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    hey guys! my wife and i want to enter the race, but i've only ever done kitsuma. how does one access the other two? a little beta would be huge. sounds like rattlesnake is in ridgecrest? do you climb up the trail then turn around? how does one find the 3rd section? do you pedal out of the campground at the bottom of kitsuma? any and all help is a huge help as i'd like to ride these trails before the race. thx guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosercom View Post
    hey guys! my wife and i want to enter the race, but i've only ever done kitsuma. how does one access the other two? a little beta would be huge. sounds like rattlesnake is in ridgecrest? do you climb up the trail then turn around? how does one find the 3rd section? do you pedal out of the campground at the bottom of kitsuma? any and all help is a huge help as i'd like to ride these trails before the race. thx guys
    I'm definitely interest on how to get to Star Gap and Rattlesnake as well. Has anyone made a map with the race route on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarb View Post
    I'm definitely interest on how to get to Star Gap and Rattlesnake as well. Has anyone made a map with the race route on it?
    We are still working on the maps. Sorry. The best way to preride the course is to set up a shuttle. Drop one car in downtown Old Fort. Drop the other (and start the ride) at the Kitsuma parking lot.

    Ride over to Ridgecrest. Stop by the guardshack. Tell them you're going to the Adventure trail. Ridgecrest is private property and this makes them happy.

    Climb the pavement to the new pavilion. Follow the STEEP road to the right of the big green building. At the top of the hill you will find the Adventure trail to the Left. Follow the Adventure trail until it intersects with Rattlesnake. Turn Left onto Rattlesnake and follow it all the way back down to the ballfields/new pavilion. The descent will be the first timed section.

    Descend back out of Ridgecrest. Head back to the Kitsuma parking lot. Climb/Descend Kitsuma to the Old Fort picnic area. From the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area will be the second timed section

    Next follow Mill Creek Road (paved) to just past the church (5 miles?) then turn Right on the (unmarked) trail to the railroad tracks. Cross the tracks then follow Heartbreak Ridge trail. Climb to past the switchbacks where Star Gap trail intersects Heartbreak Ridge trail (unmarked turn).

    Descend Star Gap. Turn Left on Jarred Creek Road. Descend to the bridge. This will be the third timed section.

    Climb Jarred Creek Road to a big reddish cliff with a huge view to the Left. The descent from that point to Curtis Creek Road will be the fourth timed section.

    Turn Right on Curtis Creek. Turn Right on Rt70. A few miles later you will be back in Old Fort.

    26.5 miles. 3840' climbing. 5270' descending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hosercom View Post
    hey guys! my wife and i want to enter the race, but i've only ever done kitsuma. how does one access the other two? a little beta would be huge. sounds like rattlesnake is in ridgecrest? do you climb up the trail then turn around? how does one find the 3rd section? do you pedal out of the campground at the bottom of kitsuma? any and all help is a huge help as i'd like to ride these trails before the race. thx guys
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    Here is a route that includes kitsuma and Star Gap. This will basically be the enduro route except rattlesnake was not a part of my ride.

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    Thanks a lot, Pisgahproductions for writing up the route description

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    We are still working on the maps. Sorry. The best way to preride the course is to set up a shuttle. Drop one car in downtown Old Fort. Drop the other (and start the ride) at the Kitsuma parking lot.

    Ride over to Ridgecrest. Stop by the guardshack. Tell them you're going to the Adventure trail. Ridgecrest is private property and this makes them happy.

    Climb the pavement to the new pavilion. Follow the STEEP road to the right of the big green building. At the top of the hill you will find the Adventure trail to the Left. Follow the Adventure trail until it intersects with Rattlesnake. Turn Left onto Rattlesnake and follow it all the way back down to the ballfields/new pavilion. The descent will be the first timed section.

    Descend back out of Ridgecrest. Head back to the Kitsuma parking lot. Climb/Descend Kitsuma to the Old Fort picnic area. From the Young's Ridge sign to the picnic area will be the second timed section

    Next follow Mill Creek Road (paved) to just past the church (5 miles?) then turn Right on the (unmarked) trail to the railroad tracks. Cross the tracks then follow Heartbreak Ridge trail. Climb to past the switchbacks where Star Gap trail intersects Heartbreak Ridge trail (unmarked turn).

    Descend Star Gap. Turn Left on Jarred Creek Road. Descend to the bridge. This will be the third timed section.

    Climb Jarred Creek Road to a big reddish cliff with a huge view to the Left. The descent from that point to Curtis Creek Road will be the fourth timed section.

    Turn Right on Curtis Creek. Turn Right on Rt70. A few miles later you will be back in Old Fort.

    26.5 miles. 3840' climbing. 5270' descending.

    Sounds like a blast! Deffenitly going to need a map for us non locals to preride.

    4 stages now? Was it originally 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    26.5 miles. 3840' climbing. 5270' descending.

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    so 3 sections or 4? is there a good way to determine the turn for star gap off heartbreak? like how many miles past switchbacks? any defining features? thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosercom View Post
    so 3 sections or 4? is there a good way to determine the turn for star gap off heartbreak? like how many miles past switchbacks? any defining features? thx
    There will be 4 sections total.
    The turn for Star Gap is pretty easy to spot. Climb the switchbacks. Climb a few straight aways. You shouldn't miss it, on the right.
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    I have another question. What are the differences between the Expert, Sport, and Beginner categories? If I have done extensive riding around Pisgah, but have never raced enduro before, what level would you suggest entering in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarb View Post
    I have another question. What are the differences between the Expert, Sport, and Beginner categories? If I have done extensive riding around Pisgah, but have never raced enduro before, what level would you suggest entering in?
    Do you care what place you finish in or just doing it for fun/the experience?

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    Does anyone have a total GPS data or a map yet?

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    dlc- check pisgahproductions blahg; he and I did a complete pre-ride a few weeks ago and there's some data on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlc View Post
    Does anyone have a total GPS data or a map yet?
    Map coming soon. Hopefully within the week. Eric has the GPS data.

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    Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus044 View Post
    Do you care what place you finish in or just doing it for fun/the experience?
    I guess I care about both, but definitely more about fun/experience. Does the sport level sound right?

    Also, how many spaces are left open now? I have not registered yet.

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    Pre rode some of the course last weekend

    1) Rattlesnake - The climb up there is brutal. If it wasn't for the enduro I'd never do that climb again The downhill is fast and rocky and fun, but short compared to the climb. Only one blind turn and plenty of spots to let it just hang the F out. I got a pinch flat on the way down as I forgot I was running a tube back there. Won't make that mistake for the enduro.

    2) Kitsuma - It's not "just dowhill". There are a couple of brutal climbs in the middle. Should make for a good place for XC weenies like myself to make up a bit of time on the full DH type guys. Lots of blind corners so the local guys that know this trail will do great.

    3) Star GAP - Going to really enjoy this one as there is a low price to pay for mistakes here IMO.

    4) Didn't do that one, but from the looks of it, it's lower elevation so wondering if it will favor pedaling.

    I'm debating bringing a full face helmet. Not sure how I feel about that one. I know how I get once a number plate gets strapped on so thinking the extra protection might be worth it. Certainly will do knee pads.

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    Registered and looking forward to a new-to-me racing format on new-to-me trails!

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    I'm going to be dragging the fam along to this one. Can anyone recommend a good campground in the area? I see Catawba falls is just outside Old Fort but that seems to be about it?

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    Does anyone know if there is any spots available for this?
    Thanks a bunch for the help

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    Does anyone know if there is any spots available for this?
    Thanks a bunch for the help
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    broke my arm...discount enduro tix (2)

    well broke my distal radius riding in va this monday. no enduro for me i got 2 tix (me and wife were gonna ride) sux to be me. sell em both for $90 or each for $50...let me know

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    So, once we finish at Curtis Creek, is everyone having to pedal their bikes back into Old Fort?

    And I gotta say that I see no sense in putting that climb from Youngs Ridge in the Kitsuma section. It's not a brief climb by any means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizutch View Post
    So, once we finish at Curtis Creek, is everyone having to pedal their bikes back into Old Fort?

    And I gotta say that I see no sense in putting that climb from Youngs Ridge in the Kitsuma section. It's not a brief climb by any means.
    Yes. You will pedal back to Old Fort from the bottom of Curtis Creek.

    The climb in the middle of Kitsuma has been removed. The second timed section will start in the piney flats above the second set of switchbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Yes. You will pedal back to Old Fort from the bottom of Curtis Creek.

    The climb in the middle of Kitsuma has been removed. The second timed section will start in the piney flats above the second set of switchbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Yes. You will pedal back to Old Fort from the bottom of Curtis Creek.

    The climb in the middle of Kitsuma has been removed. The second timed section will start in the piney flats above the second set of switchbacks.

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    That's a good call removing that climb! Looking forward to this! Just registered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions View Post
    Yes. You will pedal back to Old Fort from the bottom of Curtis Creek.

    The climb in the middle of Kitsuma has been removed. The second timed section will start in the piney flats above the second set of switchbacks.

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    Ahhh come on! I thought Enduro was about testing the whole rider and not just "downhill light"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    Ahhh come on! I thought Enduro was about testing the whole rider and not just "downhill light"!
    Haha! Stage 4 will be your cup o tea Mr. Hoppe! That will give us mere mortals a chance. :-)

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    Where can I find information about difference between the classes? (Sport/Beginner) If I get my new bike in time for the race I might take the 3.5hr drive from Fayetteville to Asheville, not to expect a decent finish but just to have some great fun and hang out.

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    For 1.5 second, I thought this was an irritating ad. Naw, just another PP challenge concept. Easily ended with a piece of t-paper.
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    Hey Pisgahproductions, in the event of family/friends comming to watch to enduro, are there any specific places you would suggest spectating? somewhere where they can see the racers go by in a several places without having to haul too much around the 26mi course?

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    Saw that a red blinkie light is required. Making sure that is the case???

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    I have an entry available if anyone is looking for one. PM me for details

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    Is there a way to see who signed up for each class?

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    Looking for a ticket, waited too long to decide if I wanted to do it or not and low it's sold out. If anyone has a ticket available please message me.

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    if someone is looking to unload an entry to the Pisgah Enduro , I'll be more then happy to take the burden off is hand!!!
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    Just a word of warning for you folks out there doing prerides for this thing.
    Day before yesterday at about 8 in the morning I saw a bear cub not 20 feet from the Kitsuma parking lot. Never saw the mother. Also on the same ride I had a deer run across the trail in front of me (if I had been a few seconds faster I'd probably be dead) at the top of the third climb. Then not 2 minutes later coming around a corner I almost ran over a raven sitting in the middle of the trail.

    Just be warned! If you go in the morning it will be a zoo out there!

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    Can you drive to/park at the ball fields in ridge crest to ride rattlesnake?

    Also where is the best place to park to ride star and jarrett creek as a loop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlc View Post
    Can you drive to/park at the ball fields in ridge crest to ride rattlesnake?

    Also where is the best place to park to ride star and jarrett creek as a loop?
    No. Do not drive into Ridgecrest. Park at the Kitsuma parking area.

    Old Fort. Then ride Mill Creek to the church (7-8 miles of pavement from old fort) climb HBR, descend Star, Climb Jerret, Descend Jarret, head back to Old Fort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aappling72 View Post
    Saw that a red blinkie light is required. Making sure that is the case???
    Red blinkie is no longer required. Sorry for not taking that info off the site. I'll take care of that right away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarb View Post
    Hey Pisgahproductions, in the event of family/friends comming to watch to enduro, are there any specific places you would suggest spectating? somewhere where they can see the racers go by in a several places without having to haul too much around the 26mi course?
    I think a great spectating spot will be at the Old Fort picnic area. We will not allow spectators on course (by request of the USFS) though.
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    I would love to ride in this event anybody else giving up their spot?

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    Hey pisgahproductions, I bought a ticket from a guy who could not race because he broke his wrist. He emailed you asking to change the name on the ticket to me several days ago, but I have yet to have confirmation from you that I am in the race. Could you please respond? Thanks. My email is [email protected] and I had got the ticket from b. wharton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarb View Post
    Hey pisgahproductions, I bought a ticket from a guy who could not race because he broke his wrist. He emailed you asking to change the name on the ticket to me several days ago, but I have yet to have confirmation from you that I am in the race. Could you please respond? Thanks. My email is [email protected] and I had got the ticket from b. wharton.
    got you in the timing system and pisgah productions forwarded me the email from b.wharton. See you next saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eccorp View Post
    got you in the timing system and pisgah productions forwarded me the email from b.wharton. See you next saturday.
    Great thanks a lot!

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    Is anyone bringing a full face for the downhills?

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    I kinda sorta thought about it but ill look goofy enough wearing spandex and knee pads

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    Re: The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    Anyone preriding the course on Friday? PM me if you want to shuttle.
    Should you do more trail work?

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    So how was this event? Kinda curious since those storms came through.
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    Such a fun, well organized and executed race. Huge ups to everyone involved in putting on the event. Was just great start to finish--had a blast with friends new and old. Really enjoyed that I could do my "race" runs in tandem with my riding buddies...I think we actually went faster that way. Trails were in primo shape as well (even if I was not). Had a blast and no way I'll miss the next one.

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    Awesome. I know there was some downed trees on Heartbreak when I rode there Tuesday. Sounds like maybe someone got to them.
    SO, how'd you do in the event?
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    There were a couple trees down, one I had to dab past, the other I could duck. My riding buddy and I both flatted first stage so that was that. Had a great time though.

    Only thing on my wish list would have been for individual stage times to be published along with the overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCBigHit View Post
    Only thing on my wish list would have been for individual stage times to be published along with the overall.
    Thanks for the kind words NCBH.

    Individual stage times are published:
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    Re: The Pisgah Enduro... it's happening!

    Good times all around. Thanks to all of the vols.

    Those who thought there wouldn't be any climbing had a rude awakening.

    If it happens on the same course next year, my rec would be to have a standard floor pump at the bottom of Rattlesnake or the rockiest sections. And a bit more marking on the course wouldn't have hurt.

    I was toward the back of the group most of the day and was amazed at how well the course held up. While there were some wash outs, I saw very few skid marks or scaring. And with the rain event earlier in the week that is really a testament to the trail itself and the mindset of the riders.

    All in all a solid well run event, with very few injuries, or negative impacts on the trail system.

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    Looks like this format is here to stay.
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    Super well run event. This was my second PP race and I was impressed with how smoothly things went off especially being a new format (enduro). It was super cool to be waiting at the stage starts with nationally ranked guys and my girlfriend and I being beginners. The whole event had a mellow vibe. The only thing I would have liked to see would be event shirts or jerseys. Being the first Enduro in western N.C. it would have been nice to have a memento. Thank you for the great time, we'll be there next year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    Looks like this format is here to stay.
    Hoo-rah! That race was a blast for sure. Everything that is good about mountain biking was had on Saturday. Can't wait till next year. When's registration open?

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    Yes, awesomely run event! As someone said, a little more course marking tape wouldn't have hurt. A couple more "tape tunnels" or something leading riders into the right spot.

    I'm excited for next year. Hopefully Heartbreak will be part of it.

    Any other events like this on the East coast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    Yes, awesomely run event! As someone said, a little more course marking tape wouldn't have hurt. A couple more "tape tunnels" or something leading riders into the right spot.

    I'm excited for next year. Hopefully Heartbreak will be part of it.

    Any other events like this on the East coast?
    I pre-rode the course at 6am to ensure that the course markings were all still in place. There was not an excessive amount of markings but every intersection turn was very clearly marked. It did not occur to me that racers might expect 'tape tunnels' to guide them through twists and turns (not trail intersections) on the downhills. There was almost no tape on Rattlesnake but there were no intersections that could have been missed either...

    I'd say that the course was marked much better than the 111 was even though there was less tape used on course. Three flags to tell you of an upcoming intersection turn and the direction of the turn and then a confirmation flag a short while later. Other flags and signs only as needed. I'm sure it was easier to sweep as well.

    Even though I wasn't racing I still had a great time at the race! My only complaint would be that the weather was too nice!
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    "HOLY CRAP!" 5 minutes to cover a five mile section of stage 4? Am I reading the results wrong?
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    That last stage got cut to 1.5 miles. I did 60mph on it though, nbd.

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    Might be a challenge, but can somebody post up the top three finishers in each class and include the bike they were riding?

    Maybe next year Eric, results could include bike (have folks list it in their registration). Sure it might not be accurate (some could change bikes before raceday), but it would be fun for us data nerds to look at and play with.

    Also, I think a lot of us would be stoked for an excel table of the results? Download off of the PP website plz? Post a link here plz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood View Post
    I pre-rode the course at 6am to ensure that the course markings were all still in place. There was not an excessive amount of markings but every intersection turn was very clearly marked. It did not occur to me that racers might expect 'tape tunnels' to guide them through twists and turns (not trail intersections) on the downhills. There was almost no tape on Rattlesnake but there were no intersections that could have been missed either...
    If you're ridden the trails before, yea sure. But, someone who has never been there before while riding the trail at 9.5/10ths would have had NO idea that they had to take two lefts instead of rights unless there was tape over the entrance to the other trail or unless they slowed down. Much in the same way, a bunch of riders plowed into the ball field. If there was tape preventing that, would have been better. But hey, in the end, it's the riders fault.

    It's not like it "was bad", but if I had to pick nits at something, course marking would be the only thing, as everything else was 100% nailed. The course marking was 95% there

    Quote Originally Posted by cmscheip View Post
    Might be a challenge, but can somebody post up the top three finishers in each class and include the bike they were riding?
    This was the race that made me truly realize "it's not about the bike". There was everything from 4" 29er XC race bikes to 6" trail bikes in the top of the results. It was all about what you were comfortable on and what you railed well. Love it.

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    trhoppe- at the top of Stage 1, I tried to included hard left (off toll road), hard left (to stay on R-snake) , then hard right at ball fields in my lecture and I tried to ask most riders if they knew where they were going and repeated directions as needed. I know that section was super fast and it's hard to pay attention at 30-plus mph...but would it have helped if I had said "IMMEDIATE hard right and follow the gravel, PAY ATTENTION!" or something like that?

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    As many have already said, superbly run event, and I had an absolute blast despite a flat on the first timed section (I was not alone in the regard it seemed).

    The only thing I would suggest in the future is an attempt to select trails with minimal switchbacks - while fully realizing trail options were likely pretty limited this time around. I think it would reduce locked up, hi-speed skidding, especially on trails that many people have never ridden before. Regardless, Eric and Co always run awesome events and I look forward to hopefully racing again next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Murderface View Post
    The only thing I would suggest in the future is an attempt to select trails with minimal switchbacks.
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    Yes, Florida trails like Kitsuma, Trace Ridge, Spencer Gap, Daniels Ridge, Black Mtn after Maxwell Cove climb, etc...

    All classic Sunshine state single track.

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    Instead of trails with "less switchbacks" I think he meant to say trails with more traffic circles.



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    Any other events like this on the East coast?[/QUOTE]

    There are several more coming up on the east coast. You can join the East Coast Super D group on Facebook and there is a complete calendar on there.

    November 22-24 Upstate Cranksgiving Weekend will consist of a Super D and and 18 mile Enduro at Paris Mtn State Park in Greenville SC.

    I hope to have details up and registration live by the end of July.

    Thanks Pisgah Productions and Volunteers and Riders for a great weekend. Course was perfect for Pisgah's first Enduro style race.

    Also if you guys could provide me with feedback on how to better run the stage finish timing I would greatly appreciate you criticism.

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    Reading comprehension - so underrated.

    I based my *suggestion* on a comment from one of the forest service staff I spoke with, made a point to emphasize the "pristine" nature of the Star gap trail. And seeing some the skid marks around the sharp switchbacks made me a little concerned about perceived trail damage.

    Regardless, I will support future races via attendance and encouraging my riding buds to also attend.

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    Pisgah Productions contracted a trail builder to evaluate trails used for the race and to repair any damage done to the trails that occurred during the race. A win win for all.

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    Star Gap was already full of skid marks when I went through at 9am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Murderface View Post

    I based my *suggestion* on a comment from one of the forest service staff I spoke with, made a point to emphasize the "pristine" nature of the Star gap trail. And seeing some the skid marks around the sharp switchbacks made me a little concerned about perceived trail damage.
    I wonder what Star Gap looks like today after 120 racers and what it will look like at the end of next month after 500 racers go down it.
    I also wonder what Kitsuma looks like today after 120 riders and what it will look like at the end of next month.... after 1000 racers go down.

    My bet is the Enduro, especially with the forest service approved contractor doing post-event work, will have a minimal impact on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Dingle View Post
    I wonder what Star Gap looks like today after 120 racers and what it will look like at the end of next month after 500 racers go down it.
    I also wonder what Kitsuma looks like today after 120 riders and what it will look like at the end of next month.... after 1000 racers go down.

    My bet is the Enduro, especially with the forest service approved contractor doing post-event work, will have a minimal impact on the trails.

    I agree, hence the reason why I used the word "perceived". Sounds like Eric has this well handled, so even more props are due.

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    I also missed the turn on stage one and ended up on the ball field. I thought the event was well managed and a I had a great time. Effort went into protecting the bikes on the shuttle trailers. Hopefully with this event being a success we will have access to some more terrain and technically challenging trails for next year.

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    Great event!! Prob the best bike race I've ran. Only minimum compliant I have is course marking. I missed the ball field turn too. I think once one person ran into the grass everyone followed the tracks. By far the most fun I've had racing my bike. Like a great day in the woods with 119 friends. Great job PP.

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