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    New Christian mountain bike club in Asheville

    BOMB (Believers on Mountain Bikes) We have formed a new Christ based mountain bike club in Asheville N.C. Rides will start monday November 10th,and will meet at the Rice pinnacle trail head in the Bent Creek experimental forest.

    Advanced night ride mondays 6:30pm

    Beginners ride saturday 10:00am

    Rides are open to anyone each ride will have a time of prayer and a short devotion. For more infomation visit our website at


    http://bombashevillenc.synthasite.com/

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    Congrats on getting the chapter started!



    Glad to see the DuPont group shot came out so well - even though I couldn't "see" what I was taking a pic of. I credit the pup as as reference point, as all mountain biker's look alike to me.
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    Wow thats great. I love mountain biking but cant realy join in on much of the events for the heavy drinking that goes on, seems to be a law or something if you MTB you have to drink.

    I live a few hours north near boone but usualy make several trips down to pisgah a year. Hope I can join yall soon.

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    Sounds like a fun time, I hope to be able to make it out with you all sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4life
    Wow thats great. I love mountain biking but cant realy join in on much of the events for the heavy drinking that goes on, seems to be a law or something if you MTB you have to drink.
    Don't be so overtly pious.

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    If you join the club, do you get to take your mtn bike to heaven?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Bless You.
    Thanks, you too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjanes
    Thanks, you too!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
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    You said "Bless you" I was retuning the "bless" ie " bless you too"

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    We can call this the Obama thread.......

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    BOMB (Believers on Mountain Bikes)


    Ya know when you put Bombs and Christian Groups together you know your just crying out for Government Intervention




    yeah i know i'm prolly goin' to hell for that one

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    no comment

    have a nice day
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    Quote Originally Posted by thadthetroll
    That`s what i was told. I guess that means ALL bible believing folks should vote for him in order to bring the prophecy to pass. If they don`t and really believe he is the anti-christ then they are not helping to fullfill god`s word.
    After the rapture maybe their bikes will not go to heaven,at least the sinful,evil bikes and those of us that drink the wine changed from the water can have them
    Thanks, now I know who to vote for!!!

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    So is this just biking without the beer ? I don't get it. Can I have your beer since you are not drinking it ?

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    Join HOMBRE...

    ...so I'm thinking about starting a group called HOMBRE--Heathens On Mountain Bikes Riding Everywhere. Membership would be open to all, regardless of drinking habits, smoking habits, eating habits, whatever. Just don't proselytize if I don't make a complete immersion should I fall at a water crossing! Really, isn't it just about riding a bike??
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    Wow thanks guys for proving my point. Its sad that in our "Christian Nation" a group of riders cant get together without coming under the ridicule of fellow MTBs.

    You don't see us out telling you to go to hell for drinking we simply prefer to have a good clean fun time rather than yalls idea of a good time. Is that to much to ask? So take it for whats its worth and see the OP was simply offering and invite to those Christian MTBs who want to come together and ride. There is no need for the comments made in this thread.

    On a side note im sure they would love to see you at the next ride.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4life
    Wow thanks guys for proving my point. Its sad that in our "Christian Nation" a group of riders cant get together without coming under the ridicule of fellow MTBs.
    Easy now, nobody's ridiculing you. Watch that "Christian Nation" stuff, though.

    Maybe you guys should re-think the name of the club...kinda sets you up for the jokes:
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    Well The rides are open to all at the rides I think it goes without saying that drinking is'nt allowed during rides. This has more to do with the consept that intoxicated rider have a habit of having to be carried out,I personly perfer to be riding than performing first aid. Also the word says not to be a stumbling block to other believers if one believes that drinking is prohibitted than it is for them. The Bible says to be sober the meaning of sober is soundness of mind. 1 drink may cause some not to have soundness of mind.I would rather focus on our common belief in Jesus Christ than our differences in theology.

    By the way no you don't get to take your bike to Heaven.........But you do get a brand new one with bike bling like you have never dreamed of.
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    no comment

    have a nice day
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    Quote Originally Posted by thadthetroll
    Yep,these are always funny threads...perhaps we should find humor from time to time and
    lighten up...now pass that warm miik and cookie please..
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    There's nothing wrong with God.....
    It's religion I gotta problem with. Mankind always seems to screw it up.

    And, yes, your notion that God doesn't want you to drink is silly, stupid and, quite frankly, arrogant. Ya'll have fun feeling good about being better than everyone else, mmkay?
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    Hey M.U.M pass the popcorn will ya ?

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    does there really need to be a christian club for everything? can mountain biking not remain secular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutcat
    does there really need to be a christian club for everything? can mountain biking not remain secular?
    That's a perfect example of what I don't get.

    Jesus surrounded himself with the lowliest of the low and this group doesn't want beer drinkers around. Pffffft!!!

    Piety is a man-made notion. Makes me sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rider4jesus
    Hey M.U.M pass the popcorn will ya ?
    Don't forget the Kool Aid either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    this group doesn't want beer drinkers around.
    Honestly guys, from what I see all rider4jesus ask is that you don't drink during the ride. I don't see anywhere were they said beer drinkers couldn't come ride???

    rider4jesus said it is open to everyone. If you don't want to ride with them then don't, but I see no reason to bash. The lack of respect really dissappoints me.

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    I agree - the lack of respect really disappoints me too.

    Judging someone by whether or not they have a beer in their hand is incredibly prejudicial. Judging someone's worth by one simple act is wrong.

    The paradigm completely cuts off any possibility of forging a relationship with someone who potentially may need to hear the good news more than anyone.

    I equate this to asking the ladies not to wear tight shorts if they join in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    I agree - the lack of respect really disappoints me too.

    Judging someone by whether or not they have a beer in their hand is incredibly prejudicial. Judging someone's worth by one simple act is wrong.
    that's why i'm a catholic - do wrong now - be forgiven for your sins later, plus what Catholic doesn't drink? I mean that's just wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by rider4jesus
    Well The rides are open to all at the rides I think it goes without saying that drinking is'nt allowed during rides. This has more to do with the consept that intoxicated rider have a habit of having to be carried out,I personly perfer to be riding than performing first aid. Also the word says not to be a stumbling block to other believers if one believes that drinking is prohibitted than it is for them. The Bible says to be sober the meaning of sober is soundness of mind. 1 drink may cause some not to have soundness of mind.I would rather focus on our common belief in Jesus Christ than our differences in theology.

    By the way no you don't get to take your bike to Heaven.........But you do get a brand new one with bike bling like you have never dreamed of.
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    So there is no drinking while on the bikes. That sounds reasonable. Would it be cool if you all went for a drink AFTER the ride? You never really said that you guys don't drink. It was the other guy's (spec4life) assumption that it would be alcohol free. So whats the truth? Does the christian bike club have a beer after the ride? Lets just set the record straight. My assumption is that you drink just like the rest of us.

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    R4J - if I were in the area I'd join up.

    To everyone else - as stated, he simply said that there would be no drinking allowed. He then gave the reason that it won't be allowed.


    "The paradigm completely cuts off any possibility of forging a relationship with someone who potentially may need to hear the good news more than anyone."

    Not at all. Not allowing alcohol there is the act that will help forge the relationship. If someone wants to go ride and drink he or she has many choices. Call me what you want, but I totally agree with the OP. I had a friend who was an alcoholic. When he was trying to quit drinking we would ban alochol from anything we did with him. Suppose I was being self-righteous and pious and everything else that has been thrown at anyone who posted support for the OP.

    Maida7, sure there are Christians who are't opposed to alcohol. I doubt that you'll catch them, as part of a Christian group, go out for a drink. The group, BOMB, shouldn't be represented like that.

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    I say good for you guys! You want to ride bikes in the woods in the name of God and Jesus, that's great. Certainly doesn't warrant any of the comments made so far IMO...

    disclaimer: I'm not a Christian and I do drink - however a "clean" club is a refreshing idea to say the least. I've also found God plenty of times in Pisgah while riding bikes... I can see the desire to share your ideas with other people who share the same interests.

    Welcome to MTBR though, you'll have to realize that you are talking to a complete bunch of lushes and that not everyone is so eager to talk about their personal beliefs (or lack there of).

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    The problem I have with calling yourself a Christian Club is that when you name it that, it is automatically exclusive, wether that is your intention or not.

    When Jesus went where he went to dine with the prostitutes, tax collectors, heathens ( people like me), did he say, " hey, I'm coming to dinner, no drinking, you have to dress up, and absolutely no foul language"?

    No, he said, hey, I'm coming to dinner, and that's what he did. Went and ate, and talked about life, the weather, politics. It must have been a fine time ( with good wine).

    He was not exclusive, rather inclusive, to the extreme. He said come hang out, I don't care who you are.

    I would prefer to see Christians out there, mingling, talking, drinking with, other mtn bikers, and the only way to tell that they are Christians is through there actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatCorey
    I had a friend who was an alcoholic. When he was trying to quit drinking we would ban alochol from anything we did with him. Suppose I was being self-righteous and pious and everything else that has been thrown at anyone who posted support for the OP.
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    That's excellent (and FYI - I'm being serious, not sarcastic).

    I agree..... Gotta buddy who needs to stop drinking? Does it ruin his life? Yes, please, apply all the positive peer pressure you can. Help him any way you can.

    There's a dude on this board who had a problem with beer consumption years ago. I respect him for quitting, admire him for his resolve AND for befriending others who don't have a problem. As far as I'm concerned, THAT'S the way to do it.

    My point is..... don't exclude the other 97.264726% of people who enjoy a post ride beer.
    Moderation is my point - whether in drinking or deciding who you want to be around. Christian or non-Christian, drinker or non-drinker, whatever.....

    Christianity and having a beer or two are not mutually exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4life
    Wow thanks guys for proving my point. Its sad that in our "Christian Nation" a group of riders cant get together without coming under the ridicule of fellow MTBs.

    You don't see us out telling you to go to hell for drinking we simply prefer to have a good clean fun time rather than yalls idea of a good time. Is that to much to ask? So take it for whats its worth and see the OP was simply offering and invite to those Christian MTBs who want to come together and ride. There is no need for the comments made in this thread. .

    I'm not sure any points have been proven.

    I don't think that any of the responses that you describe as ridicule were prompted by the OP. Rather, I think they were prompted by your initial and somewhat self-righteous comment about not being able to participate in currently existing rides b/c of all the heavy drinking.
    That comment did actually come rather close to telling others to go to hell for drinking. And anyway, its not entirely accurate. On the pisgah rides that I have been involved in there was always the option to shoot a BB gun at a picture of the promoter instead of drinking. Personally I might find that to be more in conflict with the gospel than drinking a beer. But then, I also think that talking about a Christian nation is bad theology. So what do I know.

    On a side note - the whole water into wine discussion sounds a lot like iodine tablets to me. Just remember to wait 15 min. before drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plume
    I've also found God plenty of times in Pisgah while riding bikes
    yep. I keep telling my Mom it's better to be in the woods thinking about God than be in church thinking about being in the woods. She's not really buying it, though....

    I looked at this thread to see how long it would take before people started flaming the guy for being Christian. It's funny how the people whose mantra is "tolerance" usually turn out to be the haters.

    Oh, and one other thing: I wasn't aware people were drinking and riding...really??...I think I would hurl on the climb.

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    You mean there have been rides at all these beer drinkings I have been going to???

    Seriously though, was it not Joseph that was sold into slavery be his brothers and eventually became a king? When he was reunited with his family they got drunk and celebrated.

    They did not have beer at the time so they drank wine.

    I personally like a cold beer after a ride, during a ball game, sitting in the lazy bow, cutting the grass, you get the picture. I don't think that I am doing anything "biblically" wrong by drinking beer. I try my best to live by commandments and I sometimes fail but there is no mentions of thou shalt not partake in the consumption of wheat water.

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    Ben Franklin once said something to the effect of: "beer is proof that god loves us"

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    If a thread can get chastised/ locked/ moved for even mentioninig politics, how is **** like this OK? Seems like about the same thing to me...
    Just asking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    If a thread can get chastised/ locked/ moved for even mentioninig politics, how is **** like this OK? Seems like about the same thing to me...
    Just asking...
    Separation of church and state...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    Ben Franklin once said something to the effect of: "beer is proof that god loves us"
    I heart Ben Franklin.

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    OH boy, bless you all.......

    As an NC forum lurker, I kinda had an idea about where this thread was heading.....and you guys didn't disappoint.
    almost spit coffee on my keyboard.



    ps -- would it be innappropriate to start a Muslim mtb club called BOMB?

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    An excerpt from http://www.brucesabin.com/alcohol.html

    "Throughout church history, Christians have been well aware of the potential dangers of alcohol. The Bible warns about abusing alcohol. Many famous characters in history have cautioned about the seduction of alcohol. Most people had observed the effects of drunkenness. Despite these facts, most Christians still saw alcohol as an enjoyable part of life.

    The Bible, though warning about alcohol, also praises alcohol. It is a gift from God, given to man for our enjoyment. God blessed men with a bountiful harvest of grapes. Those whose vineyards were bare, were being judged. Alcohol was as an offering to God in the Old Testament, and a symbol of salvation in the New Testament. Biblical writers recorded that wine brought joy, and was used in celebrations.

    This was true in America, until the social Temperance movement gained power. During the nineteenth century, Americans were convinced that alcohol was a scourge to the earth. Surely, God was opposed to this evil, people insisted. Eventually, people sought to prove their view, using the Bible.

    Some people found good reason to abstain. The Bible was clear that alcohol could be dangerous. Some biblical characters chose to abstain, or even received commands, by God, to abstain. Finally, peoples' consciences led them to believe that abstinence was best. Unfortunately, some others were not content with these reasons, alone. These Christians took their exegesis farther. Many insisted that the Bible demanded abstinence, not merely allowed it. Some teetotalers made wild and unsubstantiated claims, which their followers gladly accepted.

    Within time, prohibition took over the country. Many churches and denominations led the way in prohibition. Churches passed resolutions, and signed covenants requiring abstinence. Churches excommunicated, as sinners, those who dared to disagree. So ingrained was the idea that alcohol was sinful, that it survived long after the prohibition laws were repealed.

    In the Southern Baptist Convention, the frenzy over prohibition became so powerful that it swept aside the doctrine of liberty. Churches no longer permitted men to interpret the Bible for themselves. While Baptist churches still claimed individual freedom, in practice, members either accepted church teachings, disobeyed in secret, or left their church.

    This situation pervaded for almost a century, with little question. However, some began to dispute the church's right to demand abstinence. They pointed out the inherent discrepancy between liberty and forced conformity. Thus, a controversy developed in the Southern Baptist Convention.

    Baptists have always been set apart for their strong belief in the competency of the soul. Baptists are free to seek God's direction for their individual lives. Each believer, led by the Holy Spirit, is capable and released to seek God's will. However, for the past century, the Southern Baptist Convention has been violating this basic belief.

    The demand for abstinence is not only an intrusion into soul competency, it is biblically wrong. The Bible gives Christians the responsibility to choose whether to drink, or not. There is no legitimate claim that the Bible demands abstinence. The Bible gives the choice. It is time that the Southern Baptist Convention, and its churches, gave that choice back to members."
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    , also praises alcohol. It is a gift from God, given to man for our enjoyment.."
    See. Ben Franklin did know what he was talking about. He was a very smart man.

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    the world would be a better place if people didn't advertise their religion. can't you just ride with a couple people that aren't drunks and dopers? Labeling it as a Christian club is divisive and I think we would all benefit from a little less prosyletizing and exclusion.
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    Just to clarify, the guys in Asheville didn't start the BOMB organization, they've only opened a chapter of the group in their city. It's kinda like how SORBA is set up -- it started in Atlanta but we let you guys in Upstate and PAS play in our treehouse.

    And yes, all are welcome to join the group events, just respect the house rules. It's really not hard to understand.

    To the OP, maybe you could post info on the East Coast Gathering here. I can't keep track of all the forums I'm signed up for and always forget the BOMB one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown
    If a thread can get chastised/ locked/ moved for even mentioninig politics, how is **** like this OK? Seems like about the same thing to me...
    Just asking...
    Maybe the moderator is on a beer run...

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    BOMB some trails, but get BOMBed on your own time?



    I really don't see how this is any different from any other club or group. You don't join the Boy Scouts and smoke joints during the meetings. Or join Alcoholics Anonymous and have your meetings as the bar. Is it really that big of a deal not to drink on the trail? Do you seriously think they'd even care if you sat on the tailgate of your truck and enjoyed a brew in the parking lot? I'm willing to bet that as long as you don't drink in front of kids, or act like a fool, they more than likely wouldn't care. And if they do, don't ride with them?

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    Wow...that's cool! I've been checking the BOMB site for a while and missed the Quickening Ride and camp out last Labor Day. The website has a lot of cool photos from out west. KP is the bomb! I'm from the South Florida area and I'll be up there this weekend riding who know's where! Prob hit Heartbreak/Kitsuma, Bent Creek, Laurel/Pilot, Black Mt. and maybe DuPont Sunday.

    "There's nothing wrong with God.....
    It's religion I gotta problem with. Mankind always seems to screw it up."

    Well said.....God's idea is Relationship, whereas man's idea is religion.

    As for you others.....and I'll ride with anyone. Mocking is SO High School. Seems like ya'all are feelin' a little convicted or whatever. While we're here, today....riding is a blessing, and a wonderful blessing at that. Eternity is what the the long term focus in life SHOULD BE...as we all get one. The big question is where do we go for that EPIC ride??

    Hope to see ya on the trails!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    There's nothing wrong with God.....
    It's religion I gotta problem with. Mankind always seems to screw it up.

    And, yes, your notion that God doesn't want you to drink is silly, stupid and, quite frankly, arrogant. Ya'll have fun feeling good about being better than everyone else, mmkay?


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    Wow, what a thread!

    I am a believer and ride mtbs. I ride with both believers and non believers alike. When I ride with believers, we tend to talk about God a lot. When I ride with non believers, we generally do not broach the subject much. Regardless, I try (and sometimes fail) to maintain the same character no matter who I am riding with. But not because I want to prove anything to the guy I am with, rather to show respect for the Creator and what he has done for me that I did not deserve.

    As for the drinking question, its obvious some of you are very protective of your freedom to drink and dont want anyone to challenge that part of your life. Please, go have a drink. i dont think God is focused on that as much as he is on your eternal perspective.

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    I have noticed that the beer drinkers around the fire pit tend to be faster than the guys who drink a protein smoothy and ignore the fire.

    Just saying.......

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    G - we could saved an Oatmeal Stout in 2007 when you were going to attend the New Year's Ride. If we'd kept it, I imagine it would be "kool aid quality" by now. Ewwww.

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    I dated a holy roller...the sight of her granny
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjanes
    Maybe the moderator is on a beer run...
    Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah.

    Anyone going to say anything of substance? Or is this Pinkbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaFish
    OH boy, bless you all.......

    As an NC forum lurker, I kinda had an idea about where this thread was heading.....and you guys didn't disappoint.
    almost spit coffee on my keyboard.



    ps -- would it be innappropriate to start a Muslim mtb club called BOMB?
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    WOW! Some of you folks sure do have some issues with the Christians out there. No wonder someone would want to have a club of like minded people. If I were a devout Christian, I probably wouldn't want to hang out with some of you either. Would you say that kind of stuff to the guy's face if he revealed his beliefs while on a ride? I doubt many of you would have the balls to do that, but would just make jokes behind his back. If a black guy wanted to start a club for black kids, I'll bet you wouldn't say anything. What's the difference between the moral stance Christians take and the self-righteous position some of you take on the environment? I hope the folks who participate in the new club have a great time and I would respect their beliefs if I were ever on a ride with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    WOW! Some of you folks sure do have some issues with the Christians out there. No wonder someone would want to have a club of like minded people. If I were a devout Christian, I probably wouldn't want to hang out with some of you either. Would you say that kind of stuff to the guy's face if he revealed his beliefs while on a ride? I doubt many of you would have the balls to do that, but would just make jokes behind his back. If a black guy wanted to start a club for black kids, I'll bet you wouldn't say anything. What's the difference between the moral stance Christians take and the self-righteous position some of you take on the environment? I hope the folks who participate in the new club have a great time and I would respect their beliefs if I were ever on a ride with them.

    Mark
    Well said, Old Dude. I had a feeling this thread would go downn this path. I will say I sure have learned a lot by reading it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    WOW! Some of you folks sure do have some issues with the Christians out there.
    Personally, the only "issue" I have with Christians is when they don't recognize the 'grittiness' of the real world and try to change it somehow. Beer and alcohol are a part of this world - get over it. Just because you don't want it around you doesn't change anything.

    And, guess what? Jesus had bad breath and dirt under his nails. He even DRANK! EGADS!!


    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    No wonder someone would want to have a club of like minded people.
    Riding with "like minded people" happens naturally - it's not forced. Do you ride with everyone you meet on the trail? Do you become lifelong buddies just because you happen to ride mountain bikes?

    Yes, I prefer to ride with sincere heathens than disingenuous Christians.

    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    If I were a devout Christian, I probably wouldn't want to hang out with some of you either.
    I think a devout Christian wouldn't pass judgment on others. A Christian's ultimate goal is to live like Jesus. I can't think of one passage in the Gospel where Jesus says he doesn't want someone around because of something they do. Instead, he welcomes everyone. Those that listen change. Those that don't stay the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    Would you say that kind of stuff to the guy's face if he revealed his beliefs while on a ride?
    Probably - and if you knew me, you would know I'm not kidding. I don't have the best social skills.

    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    I doubt many of you would have the balls to do that, but would just make jokes behind his back.
    Yes, that's typical human nature. I wouldn't "make jokes" but I would probably point out the hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    If a black guy wanted to start a club for black kids, I'll bet you wouldn't say anything.
    Completely different scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    What's the difference between the moral stance Christians take and the self-righteous position some of you take on the environment?
    I can't speak on this point. I use plastic and drive an SUV.

    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    I hope the folks who participate in the new club have a great time and I would respect their beliefs if I were ever on a ride with them.

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    Most people don't drink on rides because beers make the Camelback bladders go funky after a few days sitting in the car and because bottle cages don't fit 12 oz glass bottles well. And because when you're drunk, it's even harder to figure out the maze of Pisgah NF trails.


    On a serious note, have fun with your club, guys. People coming together over mtbiking is always a good thing. Don't worry about being razzed in this forum. 60-something responses means your post got eyes on it, and that's a good thing.

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    message to BOMB

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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    Remember what the Lord said. It's not what goes into the man...I't's what comes out. Ease up on the beer drinkers.---zarr
    so the Lord is a scat-lover???


    ewwwwwwww

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    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    WOW! Some of you folks sure do have some issues with the Christians out there. No wonder someone would want to have a club of like minded people. If I were a devout Christian, I probably wouldn't want to hang out with some of you either. Would you say that kind of stuff to the guy's face if he revealed his beliefs while on a ride? I doubt many of you would have the balls to do that, but would just make jokes behind his back. If a black guy wanted to start a club for black kids, I'll bet you wouldn't say anything. What's the difference between the moral stance Christians take and the self-righteous position some of you take on the environment? I hope the folks who participate in the new club have a great time and I would respect their beliefs if I were ever on a ride with them.

    Mark

    Mark- I agree with most of what you say. That said, if a thread asking if people who support a politician want to get together gets locked and moved to the recycle bin in less than a day basically in order to avoid conflict, what's the difference that allows this thread to degenerate into the cesspool it is?
    None from my eyes. Both are asking mountain bikers to gather to mountain bike but for a reason not related to mountain biking.
    Close-mindedness in all forms for all reasons does nothing but make the world smaller.

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    Who the hell drinks booze and rides at the same time? I've had my share of post ride beers, but I've never seen anyone drinking booze during the ride.


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    Mount Pisgah (Bible)
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    Coordinates: [show location on an interactive map] 31°45′54″N 35°43′09″E / 31.765095, 35.719079Some translators of the biblical book of Deuteronomy translate Pisgah (פִּסְגָּה) as a name of a mountain, usually referring to Mount Nebo.

    In the Bible, Moses saw the Promised Land for the first time from Mount Nebo: "And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho.". Deu 34:1

    Pisgah in Hebrew refers to a "high place" like the top of a mountain or to a "cleft". In translation, "pisgah" may lose its meaning and become a name of the mountain.

    A literal translation of the Biblical passage from Hebrew into English might run: "... to Mount Nebo, to its high head (top of the mountain)".

    ויעל משה מערבת מואב אל הר נבו ראש הפסגה אשר על פני ירחו" דברים פרק לד"

    In the book of Numbers 23:14, Mount Pisgah is also stated as one of several locations from which the Moabite King, Balak, tries unsuccessfully to persuade the prophet Balaam to curse Israel.
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    I'll do you one better:

    FYI: Mount Pisgah was the biblical name for the mountain from which Moses saw the promised land after 40 years of wandering in the wilderness. Local legend attributes the naming of Mt. Pisgah to Reverend James Hall, a Scotch-lrish, gun toting, Indian fighting Presbyterian minister, who accompanied General Griffith Rutherford's 1776 expedition against the Cherokee into western North Carolina. Impressed by the bountiful French Broad River basin, visible from the mountain, he drew upon his knowledge of the Bible to name the peak Mt. Pisgah.

    From this website: http://www.westernncattractions.com/PNF.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    WOW! Some of you folks sure do have some issues with the Christians out there. No wonder someone would want to have a club of like minded people. If I were a devout Christian, I probably wouldn't want to hang out with some of you either. Would you say that kind of stuff to the guy's face if he revealed his beliefs while on a ride? I doubt many of you would have the balls to do that, but would just make jokes behind his back. If a black guy wanted to start a club for black kids, I'll bet you wouldn't say anything. What's the difference between the moral stance Christians take and the self-righteous position some of you take on the environment? I hope the folks who participate in the new club have a great time and I would respect their beliefs if I were ever on a ride with them.

    Mark


    how many dissappointed christians would chime in if someone posted up a notice about a new mtb group for riders who worshipped satan? i'm willing to bet plenty. besides, this is the internet, it's entire purpose is sarcasm and p rn graphy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb777
    Mount Pisgah (Bible)
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    Coordinates: [show location on an interactive map] 31°45′54″N 35°43′09″E / 31.765095, 35.719079Some translators of the biblical book of Deuteronomy translate Pisgah (פִּסְגָּה) as a name of a mountain, usually referring to Mount Nebo.

    In the Bible, Moses saw the Promised Land for the first time from Mount Nebo: "And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho.". Deu 34:1

    Pisgah in Hebrew refers to a "high place" like the top of a mountain or to a "cleft". In translation, "pisgah" may lose its meaning and become a name of the mountain.

    A literal translation of the Biblical passage from Hebrew into English might run: "... to Mount Nebo, to its high head (top of the mountain)".

    ויעל משה מערבת מואב אל הר נבו ראש הפסגה אשר על פני ירחו" דברים פרק לד"

    In the book of Numbers 23:14, Mount Pisgah is also stated as one of several locations from which the Moabite King, Balak, tries unsuccessfully to persuade the prophet Balaam to curse Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach
    how many dissappointed christians would chime in if someone posted up a notice about a new mtb group for riders who worshipped satan? i'm willing to bet plenty. besides, this is the internet, it's entire purpose is sarcasm and p rn graphy.
    Good point. I just got the new Satyricon album today and you won't believe the restraint I had to not post the youtube videos of some of their stuff.

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    I'm at work.....not riding, building, but not trails!


    How about posting a trail map with Green's Lick on it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaFish
    so the Lord is a scat-lover???


    ewwwwwwww
    I don't think you understood what I meant. Sorry, let me explain. What I meant was I can't see anything wrong with drinking beer as long as you don't get drunk. ...Buuuurrrp. (just kidding) ---zarr
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    Mike- I know I came out against all the posts about the politics on MTBR, but it wasn't aimed at Woody's original post. His idea was fine, but some of the follow-up comments are what I felt were so devisive. In a world where we all need to get along, just let it pass if you're not into it. Some of the stuff I saw on the political forum was an insult to me(and I am not one who is crying about McCain losing), just as some of the rude stuff aimed at the Christian Club was a direct insult to them. That kind of reaction is what tears us apart. Some people just think they should puke out everything that comes to mind. My mom(who is a Christian who borders on Sainthood) taught me to respect the opinions of others, but not let a horse's ass get away with insulting someone's beliefs. Since someone posted a Ben Franklin post earlier, I'll give you another of his from my dwindling memory- " It's better to stay quiet and let people think you are stupid than to run your mouth so that you leave no doubt." I don't mean you, Mike, just in general. Also, I don't think the OP ever meant that people drink beer while on the bike. I do drink beer post ride when I'm with others who drink, but I wouldn't do it if I were with people who feel it isn't appropriate. That's not being a hypocrite, it's just being civil. Tolerance is a two-way street.

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    Well guys I don't see why this thread could not have been left as a simple message to anyone interested in a new MTBing club. I hate that this message to others looking for a group to ride with was taken so far off track and away from the OP's mission.

    If all this is because of my comment about drinking I apologize for saying it, though I cant say it was wrong, and will keep my opinions about religion and politics to myself from now on.

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    "I don't see why this thread could not have been left as a simple message to anyone interested in a new MTBing club."

    "His idea was fine, but some of the follow-up comments are what I felt were so decisive (sp). In a world where we all need to get along, just let it pass."


    For better or worse, this is a standard in all types of forums. MTBr is infamous for it - who knows, maybe they even SET the standard.

    Long time posters may recall the "I'm offended", "Good-bye Passion", "I still have my first mountain bike", "Spelling Police (sp)" or "I got my hair cut today" reactions.

    My personal favorite (1998? I've never been able to locate that thread - it was removed) was a simple post about favorite ride food and someone brought up the positive aspects of sweet potatoes. From there... it went on for several pages. Topics switched by the hour (people had a lot of access from work in those days) and covered everything from cultivation, regional soil conditions, sweet potato beer, beer, rednecks, trails, politics, porno, religion, recipes, microwave vs oven vs grill, dogs & cats named Sweet Potato, etc, etc, etc.

    When the differences between yams and potatoes were debated - things got ugly.

    Supper time. Think I'll go microwave me a tater.

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    At this time I feel it's only just to thank all that have posted. Due to all of your efforts and continuing responds to this thread almost 2500 people have viewed this post, heard about BOMB (Believers On Mountain Bikes) Asheville. Many of which have visited the website and have expressed interest in the group. There by being exposed to the love of Christ. This would not have been possible without all of your dedication. Once again thank you And God Bless.
    God Speed
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    Quote Originally Posted by rider4jesus
    At this time I feel it's only just to thank all that have posted. Due to all of your efforts and continuing responds to this thread almost 2500 people have viewed this post, heard about BOMB Asheville. Many of which have visited the website and have expressed interest in the group. There by being exposed to the love of Christ. This would not have been possible without all of your dedication. Once again thank you And God Bless.
    God Speed
    not a good name for a religious group........

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaFish
    not a good name for a religious group........

    That's all I was trying to say!

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    Does any one like Sweet Potato fries?? POST UP!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spec4life
    Wow thanks guys for proving my point. Its sad that in our "Christian Nation" a group of riders cant get together without coming under the ridicule of fellow MTBs.

    You don't see us out telling you to go to hell for drinking we simply prefer to have a good clean fun time rather than yalls idea of a good time. Is that to much to ask? So take it for whats its worth and see the OP was simply offering and invite to those Christian MTBs who want to come together and ride. There is no need for the comments made in this thread.

    On a side note im sure they would love to see you at the next ride.....
    I didn't realize this was a "christian nation." I was always laboring under the dellusion that we were a secular republic that embraced all and yet gives no preference to any one religion or creed.

    More importantly....

    I'm happy to ride with anyone at anytime. I don't have to drink to enjoy myself (not to say I don't) and I certainly don't care about who believes what when I ride. All I ask is that people check the b.s. at the trailhead. It's funny because when I first started getting into mountain biking the group I road with was a true mixed bag. I just don't see the need for homogeny. But I guess you've already answered that for me with the whole "Christian Nation" thing, haven't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old dude
    Mike- I know I came out against all the posts about the politics on MTBR, but it wasn't aimed at Woody's original post. His idea was fine, but some of the follow-up comments are what I felt were so devisive. In a world where we all need to get along, just let it pass if you're not into it. Some of the stuff I saw on the political forum was an insult to me(and I am not one who is crying about McCain losing), just as some of the rude stuff aimed at the Christian Club was a direct insult to them. That kind of reaction is what tears us apart. Some people just think they should puke out everything that comes to mind. My mom(who is a Christian who borders on Sainthood) taught me to respect the opinions of others, but not let a horse's ass get away with insulting someone's beliefs. Since someone posted a Ben Franklin post earlier, I'll give you another of his from my dwindling memory- " It's better to stay quiet and let people think you are stupid than to run your mouth so that you leave no doubt." I don't mean you, Mike, just in general. Also, I don't think the OP ever meant that people drink beer while on the bike. I do drink beer post ride when I'm with others who drink, but I wouldn't do it if I were with people who feel it isn't appropriate. That's not being a hypocrite, it's just being civil. Tolerance is a two-way street.
    Mark- I feel like I keep trying to explain myself which in life usually means you might as well stop, but oh well...
    I've got no problems with this club posting.
    I also had no problems with any kind of POLITE political discourse or posting.
    I WHOLLY agree that one of the biggest issues around these days is a lack of civility and respect for others. My job is social work with the most vulnerable of people; if there's one thing I can say my job has taught me, it's compassion and tolerance for people from all walks of life...and I mean all. Both the far right and the far left on any issue are, in my opinion, wrong-headed because they leave no room for the beliefs of others...
    What I have a problem with is the double standard of slapping the wrist of anybody who makes a political comment and this thread (evidently) being perfectly OK. Again, what's the difference?
    No clue if that makes sense, but guess I'm willing to keep trying because, hey- this discourse is civil!
    See you Sat, Mark.

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    This thread is long

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    Quote Originally Posted by scmtbiker
    This thread is long
    Dude, all you need to do is what I do:

    Subscribe and sit back and watch.

    (maybe post a video from a Black Metal band here and there too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Dude, all you need to do is what I do:

    Subscribe and sit back and watch.

    (maybe post a video from a Black Metal band here and there too)




    i am not making fun of anyones faith here, i am however having fun with this thread. as stated before "it's the internet" > lighten up a little


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    (music starts at about 1:10)

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    my vote for corniest black metal video...

    <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-VBdAY8eA9w&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-VBdAY8eA9w&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

    Immortal provides the lols

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    I think this is probably a bit more appropriate

    Jesus Is Just Alright

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    Why isn't my video appropriate?

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    Did Jesus eat sweet potatoes?

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    I don't think they had sweet potatoes in the Middle East back then. Not sure though, I'am a heathen!

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    As sweet potatoes are of African origin, quite possibly.
    Regular potatoes, however, were a "New World" discovery...weren't any in ancient Middle East.

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    My dog (that's god spelled backwards) looks like a baked potato with legs.............
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    The pot smokers have now taken control of this thread.

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    Maybe someone should start a mountain biking group for pot smokers that like to drink beer

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    The pot smokers have now taken control of this thread.

    I have NEVER smoked potatoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokebikes
    My dog (that's god spelled backwards) looks like a baked potato with legs.............
    What are those funny looking rocks he's sitting on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    What are those funny looking rocks he's sitting on?
    Those aren't rocks. Those are sweeet potatoes

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahproductions
    I have NEVER smoked potatoes.
    Neither have I, but I have smoked out of a potato!

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    I saw a National Geographic show about some Peruvians whose diet is pretty much sweet potatoes and beer. That beer they had was pretty cloudy though.

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    I believe in the philosophy: If you can see through it, it ain't beer.

    I also believe that if you can see beyond your own "back yard", you gain knowledge.

    I plan to share my very limited wealth, and save my limited back, by letting someone worse off than me take care of the leaves this year. They are also interested in mountain biking.

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    "I also believe that if you can see beyond your own "back yard", you gain knowledge. "

    What if you can see Russia from your backyard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokebikes
    My dog (that's god spelled backwards) looks like a baked potato with legs.............
    Did you step in that one too?
    At least it`s not in the shop now and are you still following that dog everywhere it goes with a camera just to get a picture of it taking a potato dump?...

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    I have , but I didn't inhale.

    And I'd like to take this opportunity to give props to the sweet potato fries at Rosetta's Kitchen.

    Does anyone want to talk about peanut butter tofu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike r
    "I also believe that if you can see beyond your own "back yard", you gain knowledge. "

    What if you can see Russia from your backyard?
    Then you might be Russion, what kind of potatoes do Russians smoke....i mean eat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjanes
    Then you might be Russion, what kind of potatoes do Russians smoke....i mean eat?
    They don't smoke them or eat them. They make vodka out of them! I knew if I stuck around long enough this thread would get back to drinking.

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    Hey, first off. All the trails that I have ridden in NC don't even allow alcoholic beverages in their parks. Is drinking allowed at Bent Creek. I lot of rides that I go on with people, we don't say lets go out for a ride, then guzzle some brews afterwards. Most of the time someone will suggest to go out and have a couple. I usually suggest to come on over for a hot tub and drink. I'm sure the Christian Riders don't do a ride with the thought of drinking afterwards. But if one of the riders suggested it, I'm sure their would be a couple of takers. The one guy mentioned about how he goes on group rides, and there are always a bunch of drinkers. Sounds like he just hangs out with a bunch of drinkers, and if he doesn't want to drink. Find some new friends. I think it's cool to be able to hang with a group who does other stuff besides rides. It makes it easier on your social networking. Like going to Asheville for the Xmas Jam and getting a ride in beforehand. Instead of meeting someone to ride with, then meeting people to go to the concert with. Back in the early days of Mountain Biking there were a lot of small beer companies that latched on to the hip new sport. These beer companies were seen as major sponsors of events associated with the new Mountain Bike Movement. That's probably why you see beer associated with MTB. They were hand in hand from the beginning. I thing we owe a lot to the brews. When Mountain Biking became more mainstream, we had negative views of our culture. There's a group that I ride with that goes for ice cream after every ride. I'm lactose intolerant. Can some lead me to the beer group
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewG6
    Maybe someone should start a mountain biking group for pot smokers that like to drink beer
    I believe they're called "Free Riders". Uhhh...that was a joke, y'all.

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    Does this post hate Jewish mountain bikers also?What religions are ok to ride bikes?How about the blacks?what if your a black Christian mountain biker?How about a Red Muslim?I need some clarity on who to hate?I thought liberals were the party of tolerance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by :p
    Does this post hate Jewish mountain bikers also?What religions are ok to ride bikes?How about the blacks?what if your a black Christian mountain biker?How about a Red Muslim?I need some clarity on who to hate?I thought liberals were the party of tolerance?
    I've not seen any real hate on this thread but some pretty sharp mocking and a few well considered comments.
    I'm sure that if someone posted a JOMB club they would be in line for some "Circumcision and BBQ" jokes. 12 Bones anyone?
    Race is a bit different than religion but I'm sure some (in)appropriate mockery could be found. And what do you have against Communist Muslims?
    I have no issues with the op or the desire to start a chapter of Shredding for Jesus but "know thine forums"-it's a mountain biking thread. Most of us are riding mountain bikes so we can feel like we're 12 again: play in the mud and tell doody jokes.
    A quick link to the op's site tells me all I need to know and makes me ride post haste in the opposite direction- BOMB is about prosteletyzing- converting the heathens.

    "We are Believers On Mountain Bikes, our intent is to expand the Gospel of Jesus Christ our Lord, through people who mountain bike. Thereby, bring the word to those who are not Christians, encouraging ongoing fellowship, and presenting the opportunity for all of us to develop a personal relationship with Christ."

    When I ride with my Jewish friends they don't try to "convert" me. Same with Blacks and Muslims, and Hindus and Heathens and of course Liberals.

    The thought of meeting another rider at the top of Pilot and having them ask me if I've found Jesus makes me cringe.

    BTW We're also the party of pointing out others hypocrisy, just not ours.
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    Yerma I fully agree ambushing riders while on a ride and holding them captive while you try to convert them would totally be unexceptible. Thats why the original post stated that each ride would include prayer and a devotion, and also includes a link to the website which contains a complete description of the group. By stating that, we assume that if you show up for the ride you understand God will be a topic discussed. while I don't hide the fact that I'm a Christian I also don't attack others with my beliefs.Theres a very good chance that if you ride Asheville area trails you have probably ridden with me and don't even know it. In coversation I will mention that I'm Christian and if your interested I leave it to you to persue the issue. While I truly do love riding and acting like a 12 year old I believe that I can do that and still praise God. BOMB's outreach is in the form of letting it publicly known that we are a Christian group then letting our actions show what we are all about.(nobody cares what you know til they know that you care!) I hope this group does exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knives out
    BTW, I'm startin' a new mountain bikin' club over yonder hills in Indiana.


    Great, 2 clubs in 1 week I cant ride with....

    time to sell my turners and get a Niner Rip 9

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    Wait a minute! I know what you did there!

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    You know....I was born and raised as Lutheran. I don't subscribe to that theology anymore and after visiting the web-site...the intent seems to be to recruit people to the "christian" doctrine. While I believe people can believe what they want to, I have one burning question....What makes you think that Christianity got it right? Don't get me wrong, Jesus has some great ideas and was great "Man", but can you honestly tell me that Christianity is so much better that you have to try and "recruit" the rest of us "heathens"?! Sounds like Jim Jones to me. Anyone for some Kool Aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikernc69
    You know....I was born and raised as Lutheran. I don't subscribe to that theology anymore and after visiting the web-site...the intent seems to be to recruit people to the "christian" doctrine. While I believe people can believe what they want to, I have one burning question....What makes you think that Christianity got it right? Don't get me wrong, Jesus has some great ideas and was great "Man", but can you honestly tell me that Christianity is so much better that you have to try and "recruit" the rest of us "heathens"?! Sounds like Jim Jones to me. Anyone for some Kool Aid.
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    I went to Catholic school half of my childhood.

    I also have had people come up to me out of nowhere at work, at school, and on the trails and start talking god and their religion. How ridiculous to not let people find god their own way, and not as a brand name. Provided they want to find god, that is. If they do, why does god need people to spread his word, or is that the mystery of the lord?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikernc69
    You know....I was born and raised as Lutheran. I don't subscribe to that theology anymore and after visiting the web-site...the intent seems to be to recruit people to the "christian" doctrine. While I believe people can believe what they want to, I have one burning question....What makes you think that Christianity got it right? Don't get me wrong, Jesus has some great ideas and was great "Man", but can you honestly tell me that Christianity is so much better that you have to try and "recruit" the rest of us "heathens"?! Sounds like Jim Jones to me. Anyone for some Kool Aid.
    That is the question isn't it? Theres a tremendous amount of recent and past archeological, historical and anthropological evidence that supports the validity and truth of the Bible. These evidences open the door to beleive the other claims of the Bible. Ultimately, it comes down to faith. If you want to see if God is who He says He is, then call upon Him and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak
    Theres a tremendous amount of recent and past archeological, historical and anthropological evidence that supports the validity and truth of the Bible.
    There is? Where? I was under the impression that real scientists still believe in the big bang and evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak
    That is the question isn't it? Theres a tremendous amount of recent and past archeological, historical and anthropological evidence that supports the validity and truth of the Bible. These evidences open the door to beleive the other claims of the Bible. Ultimately, it comes down to faith. If you want to see if God is who He says He is, then call upon Him and see what happens.
    What archeology proves is the existence of some of the places mentioned in the bible.

    If you go by the bible, we're ten thousand years old, a concept that doesn't align with how we're finding out the world has evolved, from erosion, to slow evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    There is? Where? I was under the impression that real scientists still believe in the big bang and evolution.
    Evolutionists are trying to prove their theory so, yes, they in essence still believe in those theories. But you can check into the evidences and scholarship of the creation scientists (who are also "real" scientists) who are going down the opposite path.

    It wont get solved on here, you just have to decide for yourself.

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    The creationists are going off "the mystery of god" and blinding themselves with suspension of disbelief to explain things biased towards the god theory.

    It happens in every age, every culture, when they use the tools of divinity to try to explain what was unexplainable, until we got to a point where we actually had tools to explain the formerly unexplainable, without using a cartoon character in the sky that punishes us, knows when we're bad or good, when we're touching ourselves when no one else nows, sneaking in some nookie, etc. All it turned into was people being controlled and wouldn't a god that is secure in his position of omnipotence be secure in his/her/it ability as the creator, that just one in some 6billion people denies belief? Especially since the denial of belief is due to such things as Humans in religion making it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak
    Evolutionists are trying to prove their theory so, yes, they in essence still believe in those theories. But you can check into the evidences and scholarship of the creation scientists (who are also "real" scientists) who are going down the opposite path.

    It wont get solved on here, you just have to decide for yourself.
    "Creation science" is not real science, nor are its proponents 'real scientists'. Science is culturally, socially, and religiously neutral. Just as we don't have black science, Jewish science, or American science, there can be no such thing as creation science. Introducing a bias in the very name discredits anything that follows.

    Side note...why do creationists always say 'evidences'? Seems to be almost a guarantee that whenever someone adds that extra s, they don't know what they are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alefak
    Evolutionists are trying to prove their theory so, yes, they in essence still believe in those theories. But you can check into the evidences and scholarship of the creation scientists (who are also "real" scientists) who are going down the opposite path.

    It wont get solved on here, you just have to decide for yourself.
    Creation scientists, please. Bunch of idiots with an agenda.

    I've never understand why scientific discovery and Christian believe have to reflect opposing ideas. What if the science is correct and a god did kick the whole thing off with a big bang. Now that's a fecking miracle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marzjennings
    I've never understand why scientific discovery and Christian believe have to reflect opposing ideas.
    Nearly everything in the bible is contradictory to some academic discipline...biology, physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry. Therefore most Christian beliefs are inherently contradictory to science.

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    I've never understand why scientific discovery and Christian believe have to reflect opposing ideas. QUOTE]

    Nearly everything in the bible is contradictory to some academic discipline...biology, physics, astronomy, mathematics, chemistry. Therefore most Christian beliefs are inherently contradictory to science.
    Mathematics!! Is that the whole 3 in 1 thing? The whole is the 1 which is really 3?

    Chemistry. You talking water into wine, yea that's quite a trick. I'm all good with the other way around.
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    I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rider4jesus
    I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rider4jesus
    I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
    God Speed,
    I have extensive experience with college level biology courses and beyond. If you were only taught theory, then you either went to a bad college and HS, or you yourself were a bad student and your mind wasn't open to science to begin with.

    I had no such turmoil in my life that forced me to answer life's questions with a book that explains everything as "the mystery of God".

    I can tell you, part of biology courses is giving practical experience in labs, as a combination of reproducible results in a theoretical fashion, and also an actual hands on fashion. Basically, I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about and bailed on the courses before you got the practical stuff where you were in a hands on manner working with actual "stuff", and then on top of that, your expectations of science relieving your pain is absolutely ridiculous. That training is there to make you not only understand the world, but employable.

    Did you not think you needed a psychiatrist/psychologist to relieve your pain instead of "science"?

    Now exactly what is your relationship with Christ? Does he listen? Does he answer back?

    Whatever floats your boat, but I can tell you there are plenty of good people out there, and plenty of people that have changed without religion, without christ, without god.

    In the end, it is us who are our own gods, exercising such things as self-control and the innate drive to discover and do something with ourselves.

    Since you cite websters, also ask to be a better person with your spelling and grammar.

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    Man I don't have time to read this whole thread, but I'm sure it is intriguing.

    Personally, I have enjoyed studying the parallels between the principles of Christianity of those of Buddhism, and in general learning about other religions. When you get down to the basic principles, a lot of them seem to have common themes and principles that most of us could live by--it sure seems ironic to me that most religions promote things like "love thy brother" but end up being the source of so much hatred and fighting.

    I tell you what would be really nice. If everyone in the world could just forget about organized religion for a day or two, not worry about whether God is called God, or Allah, or whether there is instead an internal Budha in all of us, and just adhere to the principles of their religion, I wonder how many long running wars and conflicts would come to an end? There is a pretty strong argument that the world would be a much better place, very quickly.

    P.S. Recommend reading is Living Christ, Living Budha by Thich Nat Than (spelling), who is both a Buddhist Monk and a Christian Monk.

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    I have a question that maybe those with more enlightenment can answer for me:

    Are all those children raised in countries where they learn Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and other religions doomed to go to hell because they are not believers in the Christian God? Even if they a good people and care for others (i.e. love thy brother)?

    This is a real source of frustration for me in understanding the teachings at many Christian churches. I have a hard time believing God would arbitrarily discriminate in such a manner, which is why you won't find me in the pews at church on Sunday. I have kind of just accepted by own view of things, acknowledging that I can't really understand all the answers, and try to live by those main principles which the major religions have in common. I hope I'm not going to hell for it, that would sure seem unfair.

    While on the subject, I also vote to spend less money on all these great, big churches and instead divert that money to care for our homeless.

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    I asked that when I was in Catholic school and I was told after much evasion and persistence that yes, if they don't accept Christ, their souls are doomed. Even better: even unbaptized children who die before the ritual go to hell.

    As far as paying for churches, I found out that I have a hefty Church Tax in the country in which I live. To get out of it is a PITA, and then once I'm out of it, I face institutional discrimination simply because I don't pay a church tax and I'm not even remotely Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rider4jesus
    I see that many have looked into the possibility of God and reached their own conclusions. I respect that. I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. I reached the conclusion that at no point did my belief in science improve my life or relieve my pain. My belief in science was also based on faith because even after college biology courses,botany, wildlife management, and forest management. it was still theory because to be fact it has to be able to be duplicated and no one has been able to make life out of nothing. My belief in science was based on what teachers, parents and others have told me. My belief in Christ comes from forming a relationship with him and and seeing what a difference it had on my life. I was a single parent when my son at 4 years old told me "you weren't a nice man but your a good daddy now" Now by no means is this scientific fact but it has been duplicated in many lives. That was 16 years ago. Proof in websters is "The act of testing the truth or validity of something by experiment or trial" in 16 years I have proof! I don't condem anyone for not believing because I did not believe.By no means am I perfect I don't claim to be " All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God' if that wasn't so I wouldn't need Christ.
    God Speed,
    I can respect that. I'm not saying it is anything like what I believe but if it works for you and it doesn't hurt anybody then, right on

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    Indeed. My mother, a Southern Baptist sunday school teacher and a science teacher, taught me there is absolutely no reason for belief in God and understanding of evolution to be exclusive of one another. In my view, God lit the metaphorical match on the Big Bang and evolution followed and here we are. Why is that so hard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedchick
    Indeed. My mother, a Southern Baptist sunday school teacher and a science teacher, taught me there is absolutely no reason for belief in God and understanding of evolution to be exclusive of one another. In my view, God lit the metaphorical match on the Big Bang and evolution followed and here we are. Why is that so hard?
    That's cool but it ain't how it's written in the bible. So saying that scientific research proves the stories written in the bible is just wrong. Sure you can believe god and evolution. I bet Darwin believed in god. But you can't say there are scientific evidences of creation, Adam & Eve, the garden of eden, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    That's cool but it ain't how it's written in the bible. So saying that scientific research proves the stories written in the bible is just wrong. Sure you can believe god and evolution. I bet Darwin believed in god. But you can't say there are scientific evidences of creation, Adam & Eve, the garden of eden, etc...

    oh Dave just stop!

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    The first Jesus looks like he's about to have sex with his dino love. Kinda the way a new Zealander would look in to the eyes of an unsuspecting sheep.

    The second coloring book Jesus look totally Chuck Norris style bad ass on his dino steed.

    If you had an omnipotent yellow crayon, would you use any of the other colors? I mean how could you. The yellow would just rule all the other colors.

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    Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

    It is very sad to note that throughout this lengthy thread no one has mentioned The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as a source of personal inspiration and guidance. More detail on this rapidly growing organization of Pastafarians can be found at

    http://www.venganza.org/

    ...and cups, stickers, etc available at

    http://www.cafepress.com/venganza/

    As one touched by the noodly appendage of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I urge each of you to 'carbo diem'.

    Regards,
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    PS: Dammit, Maida, if you'd quit spending all your spare time responding to this crazy thread, you could post the three rides (2 Pisgah, 1 DSF) I submitted to the PAS site last week, thereby increasing the posted trails by 30%!!!

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    OK message received, I'm shutting up now. I appologize to anybody who I should applogize to.

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    [QUOTE=rider4jesus] I was a die hard atheist myself for many years. As well as a diehard alcoholic. Drug user, ect. QUOTE]


    I was messed up on drugs ..... now I'm messed up on the lord....



    this group thrives on post counts....yes I know I'm adding to it also...
    ....see how many "sinners " "we" reached....


    can' t we just ride??? without subdividing??
    didn't we go through this 8 or so months ago??



    ramble..ramble.... ramble

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike r


    (and if the devil is 6, then god is 7. This thread has gone to heaven)
    And if I got to hell, well then I know I'll burn well and I will spend my days with JFK, MARVIN GAYE and Lawrence Wells

    [email protected] YOU FOR MAKING ME POST IN THIS THREAD MIKER!!!!!!!

    This thread doesn't need no water let the M*therF*cker burn, BURN M*THERf*CKER BURN.

    ***Just a late edit here . . . *** In no way was any of my gibberish directed toward the topic of this thread or anyone in it. My post is poorly quoting one of the greatest hate bands of all times and I have a cool Beer Coaster CD to prove it.

    Anyway, if you look at my history of posting you will see that I am a smartass on every thread so just go with it.
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    Nothing brings out the haters like Christians being public about their faith.

    The outspoken disdain towards Christians seems pretty similar to bigoted language that was directed at African Americans sixty years ago.

    Why not have a live and let live outlook?
    Zippity do dah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatorback
    While on the subject, I also vote to spend less money on all these great, big churches and instead divert that money to care for our homeless.
    and more mtn bike trails

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    while science may be nuetral, the belief in science is no more or less a faith than the belief in a god. the god is simply replaced by science, science is their god. the very laws of science tell you that we will never be able to disect and explain ourselves back to nothing. matter cannot be created or destroyed, only change form. therefor, without abandoning that principle, there is no true beginning that can be explained.

    i like science though, it's logical. it doesn't demand self deprecation. it doesn't seek to control people or demand their worship.

    i'm also somewhat surprised that this thread is still going.

    regarding parks not allowing alchohol, i was also under the(possibly false) impression that religious functions in public parks required permits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    OK message received, I'm shutting up now. I appologize to anybody who I should applogize to.

    Zen: Your trails are published.
    Yeah Maida, apologize to me too...I'll let you know why when I think of something good!!!

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    Dear sjanes:

    I deeply regret that you are not as great and fantastic as I am. I'm so sorry for any lack of self esteem attributed to my existence. Please except this most humble apology.

    Your Welcome,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    Dear sjanes:

    I deeply regret that you are not as great and fantastic as I am. I'm so sorry for any lack of self esteem attributed to my existence. Please except this most humble apology.

    Your Welcome,
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    Main Entry: ac·cept
    Pronunciation: \ik-ˈsept, ak- also ek-\
    Function: verb
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French accepter, from Latin acceptare, frequentative of accipere to receive, from ad- + capere to take — more at heave
    Date: 14th century
    transitive verb
    1 a: to receive willingly <accept a gift> b: to be able or designed to take or hold (something applied or added) <a surface that will not accept ink>
    2: to give admittance or approval to <accept her as one of the group>
    3 a: to endure without protest or reaction <accept poor living conditions> b: to regard as proper, normal, or inevitable <the idea is widely accepted> c: to recognize as true : believe <refused to accept the explanation>
    4 a: to make a favorable response to <accept an offer> b: to agree to undertake (a responsibility) <accept a job>
    5: to assume an obligation to pay ; also : to take in payment <we don't accept personal checks>
    6: to receive (a legislative report) officially
    intransitive verb
    : to receive favorably something offered —usually used with of<a heart more disposed to accept of his — Jane Austen>

    Main Entry: except
    Function: verb
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French excepter, from Latin exceptare, frequentative of excipere to take out, except, from ex- + capere to take — more at heave
    Date: 14th century
    transitive verb
    : to take or leave out from a number or a whole : exclude
    intransitive verb
    : to take exception : object

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    .

    Pedant

    ped⋅ant/ˈpɛdnt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ped-nt] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun
    1. a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning.
    2. a person who overemphasizes rules or minor details.
    3. a person who adheres rigidly to book knowledge without regard to common sense.
    4. Obsolete. a schoolmaster.
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broussard
    Pedant

    ped⋅ant/ˈpɛdnt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ped-nt] Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun
    1. a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning.
    2. a person who overemphasizes rules or minor details.
    3. a person who adheres rigidly to book knowledge without regard to common sense.
    4. Obsolete. a schoolmaster.

    A - Hole

    (see BrouSSard)

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    i was totally being pedantic. especially for someone who miss-types half of what he writes(me). but my three big pedantic pet peaves are except/accept, effect/affect, and "i could care less." when someone really means to say "i couldn't care less.".

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean salach
    i was totally being pedantic. especially for someone who miss-types half of what he writes(me). but my three big pedantic pet peaves are except/accept, effect/affect, and "i could care less." when someone really means to say "i couldn't care less.".
    And my big three pet peaves are the wanton misspelling of the word peeve, Christians, and Non Christians.

    Oh, and also puppies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Pig
    And my big three pet peaves are the wanton misspelling of the word peeve, Christians, and Non Christians.

    Oh, and also puppies.

    Maybe he meant his "pet peavey".
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    Also known as a Cant Dog.

    As in
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    Could somebody please post the dead horse pic?
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    too many non cackalackans up in here w/ agendas. I'm out, should have never been in.

    peace
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    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broussard
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    Way to go ZB you're definitely goin' to get this thread shut down!

    Cruelty to animals photos will most certainly get a mod to shut it down

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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
    Way to go ZB you're definitely goin' to get this thread shut down!
    One can only hope.....
    Yeah, it's strange. But oh well.

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    Bless You Z.



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    My old version of a Dead Horse thread: End of the Road
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    Now you're cast of steel and cast aside. Broken dreams maybe, but you haven't died

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    Jesus Freaks are watching you!!!!
    Put the bible down and step away from the crucifix.
    If I wash my bike with holy water do I still need to use soap?
    And I don't know if this gem has been posted yet as this thread was unreadable due to high bs content.

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    I think were well on are way of getting this thread shutdown. YES!
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    this should do it.


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    I had it all wrong.

    I though BOMB stood for

    "Believers Ostentatiously Mountain Biking"

    Damn Me!

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    This is very alienating to "no values" riders who want the trails to "run red with rivers of blood." With my sponsorship from Satan, I just don't feel welcomed in Ashville, NC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Ride
    Nothing brings out the haters like Christians being public about their faith.

    The outspoken disdain towards Christians seems pretty similar to bigoted language that was directed at African Americans sixty years ago.

    Why not have a live and let live outlook?
    yeeeaaaaaahhhhh...... interweb hate and jim crow are the same thing.

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    Blaspomutounuesrth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    Dear sjanes:

    I deeply regret that you are not as great and fantastic as I am. I'm so sorry for any lack of self esteem attributed to my existence. Please except this most humble apology.

    Your Welcome,
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    Thanks, I forgive you

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    Where is North Carolina ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusSommers
    Where is North Carolina ?

    North of South Carolina.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusSommers
    Where is North Carolina ?
    far out, man

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRKNSPOKE

    North of South Carolina.
    Where is south carolina??............about 200 years behind North Carolina.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaFish
    Where is south carolina??............about 200 years behind North Carolina.

    I won't argue with that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by froth14
    far out, man
    Indeed.

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    I forgot to ask but it this the official BOMB tire of choice?

    BOMB tire



    Looks like a good tire to me but I'm going to hell .... I hope you don't mind if I give it a try.

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    That's the urban tire....what about the dirt version....a better choice! Besides....picking bad tires won't send you to hell, rejection of the Savior will or living a perfect, sinless life. Let's see what your buddies say about your riding.....do you have perfect line down every downhill...or clean every rock garden....not gone off the trail, or not stop on that gruelling climb or stop and walk that section of Bennet Gap?? EEEhhhhh????It's NOT about being a holy roller, it's about being forgiven! REALLY EASY and simple!
    IF YOU CAN READ THIS, YOU'RE NOT RIDING (or building)!

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    I still want to visit this place:


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    Prob a french church....
    IF YOU CAN READ THIS, YOU'RE NOT RIDING (or building)!

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    .......................
    Last edited by lidarman; 11-20-2008 at 08:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    I still want to visit this place:

    That is one gnarly DH. God help me.

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    That it is, complete with a Pentagram. Does it burn?


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    I've always that it was ironic that "anti-christian" bands still sing about Christ.

    Strange....you would think they would just avoid talking about him. Yet, by including him in their lyrics, they're acknowledging that he still has an influence 2,000 years later.

    That's pretty funny in my book.
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    even the devil believes in GOD!

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    Yeah, considering the atrocities being committed and having been committed in the past in his name, or such things as a Church sponsored Holocaust during WWII (and if anyone wants to call me on it, I will post pictures of the memorial plaques of shame many Churches in Germany have bolted to their entrances with the exact number of Jews they gave up to the Nazis for labor and death). So when groups speak of something such as religion that was supposed to do so much good, but did bad, it's not about God or Christ, they're singing about what man has done, which is religion. No one cares if someone has a belief and a relationship with God. The problem comes with religion and "rep-pre-sent'n" and forcing it upon people and not arguing it.

    But again, a house with a pentagram on it is where I'd rather be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerk_Chicken
    Yeah, considering the atrocities being committed and having been committed in the past in his name, or such things as a Church sponsored Holocaust during WWII (and if anyone wants to call me on it, I will post pictures of the memorial plaques of shame many Churches in Germany have bolted to their entrances with the exact number of Jews they gave up to the Nazis for labor and death). So when groups speak of something such as religion that was supposed to do so much good, but did bad, it's not about God or Christ, they're singing about what man has done, which is religion. No one cares if someone has a belief and a relationship with God. The problem comes with religion and "rep-pre-sent'n" and forcing it upon people and not arguing it.

    But again, a house with a pentagram on it is where I'd rather be.
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    Uh - don't get God mixed up with mankind's actions. As I said earlier.....

    "There's nothing wrong with God.....
    It's religion I gotta problem with. Mankind always seems to screw it up."

    You're looking at mankind's phucked up interpretation of things....
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    Uh - don't get God mixed up with mankind's actions. As I said earlier.....

    "There's nothing wrong with God.....
    It's religion I gotta problem with. Mankind always seems to screw it up."

    You're looking at mankind's phucked up interpretation of things....
    My post references that.

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    so what does this all have to do with some Christians inviting other people on a mt bike ride?I've been on a few B.O.M.B. rides and had a really good time.I'm not sure where all of the hate and debate is about?I would think if you had all of the answers you would go on the ride and explain to everyone the truth.When your invited to a wedding in a Christian Church,do you rip on the bride and groom?how about going on a ride and then make a judgment?

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    Don't judge God by man's action.....judge people by God....in fact we are called to judge ourselves and not others. Man has always twisted the word of God to fit their own comfort level or power trips and have gone in their own directions...or been blinded and deceived by the one who wants to destroy you and your eternity. Forever is a really really long time. If you stopped on the trail and reached down and pinched a little dirt and sifted it down to one grain and held it up to the sky. That would be a pale comparison of time as your life being the grain of sand and the rest of the earth and the sky and the cosmos beyond being eternity. What you do in this life determines where you spend that eternity. If you fool yourself into thinking that hell is not that bad or all of your friends will be there and you'll be hangin' out drinking and playing cards then that's really sad. If you think of what the worst, most painful way to die is, which is probably burning to death, and take that pain and anguish, and instead of burning in utter pain and dying, you just burn and burn and burn, forever. Sorry my brother, but THAT is a choice I'll not take or make. God is perfect and we and not. HIS ways are higher than ours. We fall short of his mark and have no way to keep all of the 10 commandments each and every day. That is why the Father gave his son as a perfect sacrifice to pay the price for my sins and yours, everybody's. Evangelizing is not cramming our beliefs down someone's throat, although a lot of good or well meaning Christians certainly lack the skills to present the Gospel correctly. Hipocracy is part of the mix, in that the imperfect are trying to "sell" the perfect. None of us deserve heaven but are offered it through the free gift of the sacrifice of God's own son. God uses the imperfect to give his message because that's what he wants and that's the way he will get it done. He could do it himself, but want's our participation, that's what we are called to do.

    You are racing down Kitsuma on your fastest run ever, sun shining through the trees and there's a guy standing on the side of the trail walking his bike back up the trail who screams for you to stop because the next turn is washed out and caved in and you'll go off the side of the trail and get hurt of severely injured or even possibly die. Do you blow him off and blaze through not caring that's he's some lunatic, or slow down and check it out? Do you scream around a BRIDGE OUT sign knowing that the bridge was OK last time you drove through? If you saw a little kid with a box of rat poison, do you take it away from him even though you don't know him and he's not your responsibility or do you do the right thing?

    If you don't believe or trust or care....take 2 seconds to ask God to show you whom he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb777
    Don't judge God by man's action.....judge people by God....in fact we are called to judge ourselves and not others. Man has always twisted the word of God to fit their own comfort level or power trips and have gone in their own directions...or been blinded and deceived by the one who wants to destroy you and your eternity. Forever is a really really long time. If you stopped on the trail and reached down and pinched a little dirt and sifted it down to one grain and held it up to the sky. That would be a pale comparison of time as your life being the grain of sand and the rest of the earth and the sky and the cosmos beyond being eternity. What you do in this life determines where you spend that eternity. If you fool yourself into thinking that hell is not that bad or all of your friends will be there and you'll be hangin' out drinking and playing cards then that's really sad. If you think of what the worst, most painful way to die is, which is probably burning to death, and take that pain and anguish, and instead of burning in utter pain and dying, you just burn and burn and burn, forever. Sorry my brother, but THAT is a choice I'll not take or make. God is perfect and we and not. HIS ways are higher than ours. We fall short of his mark and have no way to keep all of the 10 commandments each and every day. That is why the Father gave his son as a perfect sacrifice to pay the price for my sins and yours, everybody's. Evangelizing is not cramming our beliefs down someone's throat, although a lot of good or well meaning Christians certainly lack the skills to present the Gospel correctly. Hipocracy is part of the mix, in that the imperfect are trying to "sell" the perfect. None of us deserve heaven but are offered it through the free gift of the sacrifice of God's own son. God uses the imperfect to give his message because that's what he wants and that's the way he will get it done. He could do it himself, but want's our participation, that's what we are called to do.

    You are racing down Kitsuma on your fastest run ever, sun shining through the trees and there's a guy standing on the side of the trail walking his bike back up the trail who screams for you to stop because the next turn is washed out and caved in and you'll go off the side of the trail and get hurt of severely injured or even possibly die. Do you blow him off and blaze through not caring that's he's some lunatic, or slow down and check it out? Do you scream around a BRIDGE OUT sign knowing that the bridge was OK last time you drove through? If you saw a little kid with a box of rat poison, do you take it away from him even though you don't know him and he's not your responsibility or do you do the right thing?

    If you don't believe or trust or care....take 2 seconds to ask God to show you whom he is.
    Yet this is exactly what this whole ridiculous post is. It was only a matter of time before it turned into what it was at the core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtb777
    What you do in this life determines where you spend that eternity.
    So are you Methodist or Buddhist??

    Quote Originally Posted by mtb777
    If you fool yourself into thinking that hell is not that bad or all of your friends will be there and you'll be hangin' out drinking and playing cards then that's really sad. If you think of what the worst, most painful way to die is, which is probably burning to death, and take that pain and anguish, and instead of burning in utter pain and dying, you just burn and burn and burn, forever.
    "....hell is the invention of Roman Catholicism; and surprisingly, most, if not all, of our popular concepts of hell can be found in the writings of Roman Catholic writers like the Italian poet Dante Alighieri (1265-1321), author of Dante's Inferno. The English poet John Milton (1608-1674), author of Paradise Lost, set forth the same concepts in a fashion highly acceptable to the Roman Catholic faith. Yet none of our concepts of hell can be found in the teaching of Jesus Christ!"

    From http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/je...ingonhell.html

    There ya' go using man's interpretation again.......
    Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    So are you Methodist or Buddhist??



    "....hell is the invention of Roman Catholicism; and surprisingly, most, if not all, of our popular concepts of hell can be found in the writings of Roman Catholic writers like the Italian poet Dante Alighieri (1265-1321), author of Dante's Inferno. The English poet John Milton (1608-1674), author of Paradise Lost, set forth the same concepts in a fashion highly acceptable to the Roman Catholic faith. Yet none of our concepts of hell can be found in the teaching of Jesus Christ!"

    From http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/je...ingonhell.html

    There ya' go using man's interpretation again.......
    http://www.ovrlnd.com/Cults/poprejectshell.html

    JP2 was a pretty rational thinker in the catholic theology. Even though I don't believe, I did respect him.

    edit: the first paragraph is the only one that really matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoenth
    So are you Methodist or Buddhist??



    "....hell is the invention of Roman Catholicism; and surprisingly, most, if not all, of our popular concepts of hell can be found in the writings of Roman Catholic writers like the Italian poet Dante Alighieri (1265-1321), author of Dante's Inferno. The English poet John Milton (1608-1674), author of Paradise Lost, set forth the same concepts in a fashion highly acceptable to the Roman Catholic faith. Yet none of our concepts of hell can be found in the teaching of Jesus Christ!"

    From http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/je...ingonhell.html

    There ya' go using man's interpretation again.......

    Moto, I like that you have looked into the teachings of Jesus before making blanket statements about the bible.However if you read Luke chapter 16 verse 19-31 I think you will find that Jesus did teach about hell and it doesn't sound like a fun place.
    God Speed,

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