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    FATS (South Carolina) IMBA Epic??

    So I made the trip from NE Atlanta to the Forks Area Trail System outside of Augusta. I like trying new trails and though this one was a long drive, it was a guaranteed winner, being an IMBA Epic trail.

    Wrong.

    I've been mountain biking since 1988 and this was, without a doubt, the most boring trail I've ever ridden. I have no idea how IMBA grants Epic status to trails but the only thing Epic about FATS is the Epic waste of time driving there. If I was local to the area, it would certainly be on my rotation but solely from a fitness standpoint -- and solely because it has some good distances. I found nothing interesting, challenging, or, most importantly, fun.

    Even my most bland local rides have SOMETHING I look forward to. The slickrock descent at Harbins; the Whoop-de-doos at Yargo; the 5 steep, loose climbs on Copperhead at Chicopee. FATS had nothing remarkable or memorable. The most disappointing loop on the map was Brown Wave. Named for the "amazing whoop de doos!" I must have missed them. There were a dozen or so 1'-2' rollers in the middle but nothing to name a trail after. Deep step was the only thing remotely resembling a mountain bike trail and that was only for a few tenths of a mile.

    I think the trail suffers from poor design. The terrain is there and it's pretty good. It's just not utilized well. There are loads of ridges and valleys but the trail stays safely and boringly between them, meticulously following the contours so there is little elevation change. Good idea if you're designing a highway or a walking path. Poor use of terrain for a mountain bike trail. Let us climb the ridges and drop in the valleys. Give us switchbacks instead of flats.

    Normally, I'd just chalk it up to experience and never go back but the fact that this trail has IMBA Epic status is a joke. I could have (should have)
    driven to Dupont in 20 minutes less time and had a true Epic ride.

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    Gotta agree with you. I went there once and really have no burning desire to go back. Just the same thing over and over. I know people that love it because its "fast and flowy" but that's not my thing so I was not impressed with it.

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    I don't like dissing trail systems as the locals from that area usually put in countless man hours building and maintaining it. However, I agree with everything said. I kept hearing how great it FATS was so when invited by a friend to go, I decided to join her.

    They even missed opportunities to incorporate natural features on the side of the trails.
    Then when they decide to do rock armoring, they brought in pavers instead of building natural looking rock gardens.

    I can see massive amounts of work went in the trail and sustainability is not even remotely an issue there but the trail system just is not fun.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    I forgot about the pavers. That was odd. I guess they make the trail less susceptible to erosion but so does concrete or asphalt. There are far better ways to do this exhibited on every other trail I ride.

    One or two sections I could accept but they were everywhere!

    Back to my original point, how did this trail get IMBA Epic status?
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    It's not Pisgah, but there are plenty of features that are fun to ride. You just have to ride them more aggressively to enjoy it if you're used to technical terrain. Pump the rollers, gap them, go faster. Brown Wave was disappointing, but the other trails have plenty of enjoyable spots. It does get old after awhile, but there are some really good sections out there. I don't want to insult anybody by saying they don't jump their bike, but you have to ride the trails in a way that you enjoy. You can't just ride the trails and expect to be technically challenged.

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    It's like road riding. If you're expecting rocks and roots, you'll hate it. That doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable. It just presents different challenges.

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    Total crap... I'd rather get an anal bleaching

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    You'd rather have your anus bleached than ride your mountain bike?

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    FATS (South Carolina) IMBA Epic??

    Some people like that kind of sh!t. Don't hate.

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    Just asking. I've never had that experience.

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    The IMBA Epic designation has come under scrutiny for issues like this. People feel that IMBA is trying to make the trail systems generic and appealing to every skill level and are not making rides/tails epic based on features. Supposedly another IMBA Epic ride is on the table in Oconee, SC. We'll see how that goes.

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    Funny thing is, although there isn't much trails there, I found Rattle Snake out on Hunting Island (yes, on the Beach) to be a lot more challenging and fun than all of FATS.

    FATS is tame but maybe some people people find that fun.
    Florida people seem to love it.
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    FATS (South Carolina) IMBA Epic??

    Like Tsali. The floridians love that as well.

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    Yeah, but Tsali is at least pretty and more challenging.
    Plus camping on the trail head and water sports makes for a good weekend.
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    I like to make that one extra challenging by wearing flip flops

    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Funny thing is, although there isn't much trails there, I found Rattle Snake out on Hunting Island (yes, on the Beach) to be a lot more challenging and fun than all of FATS.

    FATS is tame but maybe some people people find that fun.
    Florida people seem to love it.

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    Ha! Wuss, I went bare foot...on flats.
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    Doesn't the epic status have more to do with mileage? Or at least that is how I always thought of it. From the imba website:
    The 2013 class of Epics celebrates true backcountry riding experiences that are technically and physically challenging, more than 80 percent singletrack and at least 20 miles in length.
    Just remember that technically challenging is extremely based on your experience. I not just talking about how long you have been biking but also what and how you ride. We have talked about this before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Like Tsali. The floridians love that as well.
    My thoughts on exiting Tsali "This is an IMBA Epic?". Granted I had just spent the last week riding Pisgah and Dupont.

    My trip to FATS got detoured last year by an ice storm and I ended up in Alabama at Oak Mountain. Oak Mountain is sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matty22c View Post

    Just remember that technically challenging is extremely based on your experience. I not just talking about how long you have been biking but also what and how you ride. We have talked about this before.
    There is nothing technical about FATS in any standard of mountain biking IMO.

    The only thing that would make it less technical is if they rolled in the pavement trucks.
    It is a great way to introduce somebody to off road biking and the trails are very well maintained but you could ride them all on a road bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    My thoughts on exiting Tsali "This is an IMBA Epic?". Granted I had just spent the last week riding Pisgah and Dupont.

    My trip to FATS got detoured last year by an ice storm and I ended up in Alabama at Oak Mountain. Oak Mountain is sweet.
    Oak mountain is sweet. I grew up in Birmingham and Oak Mountain is a blessing. I still ride there when I visit family and friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yeah, but Tsali is at least pretty and more challenging.
    Plus camping on the trail head and water sports makes for a good weekend.
    I suppose if a person had a boat, it'd be worth the trip. Otherwise, to me, it's just not. Sorta like jackrabbit. Not worth the trip unless you're going to the lake.

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    I certainly wouldn't drive out there for the day.
    However, to spend a weekend and get a little different scenery it is great.
    I wouldn't call the mountain biking epic but it is good enough along with the other things the area has to offer.

    I will go once or twice a year.
    Might do the 12 hour race this year in the SS class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    I suppose if a person had a boat, it'd be worth the trip. Otherwise, to me, it's just not. Sorta like jackrabbit. Not worth the trip unless you're going to the lake.
    Or it's all you have close by that's worth a damn. Not all of us are lucky enough to live next door to things like DuPont. And I'll take Tsali 10 to 1 over JR.

    Or buy a SS, it makes it a lot more challenging that way also. That's actually the biggest reason I have single speeds, is that I have nothing very challenging near me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPIguy View Post
    Or buy a SS, it makes it a lot more challenging that way also. That's actually the biggest reason I have single speeds, is that I have nothing very challenging near me.
    That's what got me into SS. I have 4 local trails (within a 25 minute drive). Three of them are fantastic and a ton of fun. The fourth is significantly less exciting than the other three and has half the climbing. As luck would have it, the fourth trail, Harbins Park, is usually the only one open when it's wet. So while I normally would ride it very rarely, if ever, I find myself riding it a good bit.

    So, two years ago, in the middle of the wettest winter we've had in years in Atlanta, I looked at my old HT and thought "If I converted that into a SS, it would be make Harbins Park a lot more challenging." I converted the bike and liked it so much that I'm building up a new SS!

    (that said, my boring trail, Harbins Park, is still more fun than FATS!)

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    I got a single speed because I am an evil sadistic fücker even when it comes to myself. And as if riding that through Pisgah and DuPont wasn't enough, I do it with 32/18 gearing.

    However, It will be trainer miles for me for a while since the mountain conquered me on Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I got a single speed because I am an evil sadistic fücker even when it comes to myself. And as if riding that through Pisgah and DuPont wasn't enough, I do it with 32/18 gearing.

    However, It will be trainer miles for me for a while since the mountain conquered me on Sunday.
    Do tell!

    I have yet to get my SS to Dupont and probably never will. I was waiting (catching my breath) at the top of Burnt Mountain when a guy on a SS came up (the hard way...UP the rocks!). Respect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinGT View Post
    Do tell!

    I have yet to get my SS to Dupont and probably never will. I was waiting (catching my breath) at the top of Burnt Mountain when a guy on a SS came up (the hard way...UP the rocks!). Respect...
    Pictures, or it didn't happen. Going up Burnt Mountain is almost impossible due to the drops. You'd have to be 7' 8" with a 36 inch bike to climb right over some sections. I'll believe that when I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinGT View Post
    Do tell!
    Black Mountain got the better of me right before hitting Turkey Pen.
    Went over the bars on w rock section about 50 yards (give or take) before the trails meet. Landed straight on my shoulder and dislocated it along with a small fracture. Walking out sucked. Hopefully I won't need surgery.
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    FATS (South Carolina) IMBA Epic??

    If I lived near Tsali, I'd certainly ride it. But I don't, and I can't justify the trip. I don't ride DuPont much either, because I drive right past Pisgah to get there. And I can't justify that either. But that's just me. I'm not a Tsali hater, but to me, it's simply not worth the trip.

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    I haven't done Pisgah yet, and not in a big hurry for it as I'm honestly not a big fan of anything super technical because I suck at it, and it kind of freaks me out a little bit. I just need more practice, and therein lies the rub, there's nowhere close by to practice that stuff for me. Any of that stuff over y'alls way is a four hour round trip minimum for me, and the drive home when I'm exhausted really sucks. Buddy of mine says I need a squishy bike before tackling Pisgah.

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    FATS (South Carolina) IMBA Epic??

    You don't "need" the squish, but it is nice. I like to go fast AND I'm old, so I like the squish. That said, we all used to ride all of the Pisgah on hard tails. It's all we had, and it was hella fun.

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    I am not as fast as some of my friends and faster than others on my single speed.
    Definitely not a slouch.

    After my shoulder is better I will take you through some of Pisgah.
    I owe Black Mountain one.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am not as fast as some of my friends and faster than others on my single speed.
    Definitely not a slouch.

    After my shoulder is better I will take you through some of Pisgah.
    I owe Black Mountain one.

    I'll take you up on that as well if you're offering guided tours. I've ridden Dupont a good bit but have never hit Pisgah because I heard it's tough to navigate without some help.

    I'm old, though, so there may be some waiting involved. For reference, the aforementioned Burnt Mountain loop at Dupont takes me about 20 minutes going clockwise...on my geared bike.

    Heal up fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am not as fast as some of my friends and faster than others on my single speed.
    Definitely not a slouch.

    After my shoulder is better I will take you through some of Pisgah.
    I owe Black Mountain one.
    I destroyed my shoulder in early May, and missed the whole summer, so it could be worse. I'll be stuck here for all of tax season, so pretty much until May 1st more or less. But I'll definitely take you up on that! I'm gonna be a puss and bring something with gears though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am not as fast as some of my friends and faster than others on my single speed.
    Definitely not a slouch.

    After my shoulder is better I will take you through some of Pisgah.
    I owe Black Mountain one.
    Along with Randy, I'd like to get in on that too.
    Haven't been in Pisgah since oramm in '07.
    Sorry about the shoulder, heal up quick.
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    I don't mind waiting on people as long as they are having fun.
    We will see how long this takes to heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I don't mind waiting on people as long as they are having fun.
    We will see how long this takes to heal.
    3 months to feel normalish again. Unfortunately, you'll probably dislocate it again if you don't get it fixed (speaking from experience).

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Mueller- View Post
    3 months to feel normalish again. Unfortunately, you'll probably dislocate it again if you don't get it fixed (speaking from experience).
    Unfortunately, I know you are right.
    MRI will be getting done hopefully this week and then I will know where I will go from there.

    Torn ligaments in the left should April of 2013 and have had a couple partial dislocations in it but they always popped in by themselves. Seems to have stopped popping out lately but still not 100%.
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    So how hard is Black Mountain? Hanging out at the Hub a few weeks ago and all anyone was talking about was Black Mountain. How's it compare to some of the descents in Dupont? Burnt Mountain? Cedar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinGT View Post
    So how hard is Black Mountain? Hanging out at the Hub a few weeks ago and all anyone was talking about was Black Mountain. How's it compare to some of the descents in Dupont? Burnt Mountain? Cedar?
    It doesn't compare, but it also depends on which section you're talking about. Black Mt. has awesome downhills in both directions. It's generally steep and technical in nature. Nothing in DuPont compares, IMO. But it is "easier" than Farlow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    It doesn't compare, but it also depends on which section you're talking about. Black Mt. has awesome downhills in both directions. It's generally steep and technical in nature. Nothing in DuPont compares, IMO. But it is "easier" than Farlow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Mueller- View Post
    3 months to feel normalish again. Unfortunately, you'll probably dislocate it again if you don't get it fixed (speaking from experience).
    and again and again and again. got mine for the 7th or 8th time in September on Powerslave in BC.

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    Re: FATS (South Carolina) IMBA Epic??

    Not to stray too far on topic... but I heard a Felt demo guy once say that if you like Raystown, then you'll love FATS. So I'm curious if they are similar, or how does it compare to something like Warrior Creek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllMountin' View Post
    Not to stray too far on topic... but I heard a Felt demo guy once say that if you like Raystown, then you'll love FATS. So I'm curious if they are similar, or how does it compare to something like Warrior Creek?
    Warrior Creek is 100x better.
    It isn't technical for the most part but they do have a newer technical section that is fun (not Pisgah but still fun). If you like riding berms, you will love it. I recently had the pleasure of touring the one the professional builders that did Warrior Creek around DuPont. Great guy and a good rider too.

    Also while out there, you can ride OVT and Dark Mountain.

    Personally I would go back out there again once or twice a year but I will never go to FATS again unless they do some major renovations to the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPIguy View Post
    I haven't done Pisgah yet, and not in a big hurry for it as I'm honestly not a big fan of anything super technical because I suck at it, and it kind of freaks me out a little bit. I just need more practice, and therein lies the rub, there's nowhere close by to practice that stuff for me. Any of that stuff over y'alls way is a four hour round trip minimum for me, and the drive home when I'm exhausted really sucks. Buddy of mine says I need a squishy bike before tackling Pisgah.
    A full suspension would be better, although many riders do fine on hard-tails. What you need to be better prepared for is hiking while carrying your bike.

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    Geez people. Maybe I am so old that I can remember when we didn't have great single track all over the place. If FATS is not your thing, don't ride it. But to go online and trash a trail system that people spent untold man hours building and that was funded by a grant of over $200,000 seems a bit petty to me. I have only ridden there a few times, but I had a great time. If you think you can do better, buy you own patch of 4,000 acres of land and get to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Geez people. Maybe I am so old that I can remember when we didn't have great single track all over the place. If FATS is not your thing, don't ride it. But to go online and trash a trail system that people spent untold man hours building and that was funded by a grant of over $200,000 seems a bit petty to me. I have only ridden there a few times, but I had a great time. If you think you can do better, buy you own patch of 4,000 acres of land and get to it.
    Precisely!

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    Thank you Snototter. People whining about this use pedaling to go fast, not momentum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Geez people. Maybe I am so old that I can remember when we didn't have great single track all over the place. If FATS is not your thing, don't ride it. But to go online and trash a trail system that people spent untold man hours building and that was funded by a grant of over $200,000 seems a bit petty to me. I have only ridden there a few times, but I had a great time. If you think you can do better, buy you own patch of 4,000 acres of land and get to it.
    Maybe. But I wish someone had posted something like this for me before I took a 6 hour round trip to ride an "IMBA Epic trail" that was less epic than my local trails.

    And if I was a trail builder, I would LOVE the feedback so I can incorporate the comments into my trails. Or I could get emotional and defensive instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinGT View Post
    Maybe. But I wish someone had posted something like this for me before I took a 6 hour round trip to ride an "IMBA Epic trail" that was less epic than my local trails.

    And if I was a trail builder, I would LOVE the feedback so I can incorporate the comments into my trails. Or I could get emotional and defensive instead.
    I have to agree. I didn't expect anything near as epic as my local trails but was hoping for something like Warrior Creek.

    Like I said the trails are nice as far as sustainability and being well maintained so I am not dissing the work that went in to them.
    However, they missed so many opportunities to make them so much better.
    If saying that is bashing then I am sorry but it is still the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Geez people. Maybe I am so old that I can remember when we didn't have great single track all over the place. If FATS is not your thing, don't ride it. But to go online and trash a trail system that people spent untold man hours building and that was funded by a grant of over $200,000 seems a bit petty to me. I have only ridden there a few times, but I had a great time. If you think you can do better, buy you own patch of 4,000 acres of land and get to it.
    Thanks Mike for saying what alot of us were thinking.

    The designer and builder of FATS is a premier trail builder here in the SE, and he's on this forum. Not only does he have FATS to his credit, he also designed and built Bracken Mountain here in Brevard and a good number of trails in Dupont including the new Turkey Knob Trail. What he did on the banks of the Savanna River is Epic in my opinion.

    Most haters hate because they are uninformed and unappreciative. If they knew what must have been months/years of skill and hardship that went into building FATS, when there was nothing there before, not to mention the huge number of man hours the clubs donate currently, maybe they would show a little gratitude instead of so much whining.

    Every time I go to FATS I leave with a huge grin on my face, FATS is awesome ...go ride it!
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    Every Feb/ March for the past 4 years, myself and a small group of friends go to the FATS/ Sorba CSRA area for a ride/camping weekend. We leave Pisgah/ Asheville for this because the trails are awesome for what we're looking to do- which is put in a few 3-6 hour days as fast as our legs can make us move. I've only ridden FATS at heart-hammering-so-hard-my-eyes-might-bleed pace and it is perfect for that kind of ride. Just looking to have fun on a ride...probably wouldn't be my first choice. Otherwise, fantastic and fast trails.
    Don't neglect the rest of the SORBA-CSRA trails- they're different and excellent.

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    In a very short period of time, we have gone from not being able to ride bikes on any single track to mountain bikers being the whiniest of all trail users.

    I think the question originally posted about this being worthy of "epic " status is a valid question. All the other post about how bad/boring this trail system is BS. I have never been there, but do know FATS gets ridden a lot and many do enjoy it (and Tsali and other trails mentioned here).

    The root of the problem is with the naming of model trails by IMBA, and even IMBA internally can not decide what is and is not Epic. This year they stripped the Epic status from a number of trails they had previously named as Epics, this included Rays Indoor Mountain Bike Park. Ray himself is an epic guy and now building lots of cool stuff down at Santos in FL. But calling an indoor bike park an IMBA Epic is a stretch at best. They have developed much better criteria for the Epic designation and previously named Epics that don't fit the criteria fell into a new category "Hall of Fame". I don't think IMBA made any friends in the process, my guess is the downgrade of certain trails that riders really loved only served to distance those riders from IMBA. The problem was up front and being too loose with the designation for a number of years.

    From the IMBA website:
    "IMBA has used the Epic® designation for more than a decade. With the addition of new Model Trail classifications in recent years, IMBA has returned the Epics to the original intent of the designation—demanding, singletrack adventures in a natural setting. The current Epics celebrate true backcountry riding experiences that are technically and physically challenging, more than 80 percent singletrack and at least 20 miles in length. All of theses Epics offer amazing opportunities to interact with the natural world. Existing Epics that meet this criteria will retain Epic status. We created an IMBA Epics Hall of Fame to recognize rides we have honored in the past, but that no longer meet the new criteria."

    According to the IMBA site, FATS got downgraded to Hall of Fame along with Rays and many other trails: https://www.imba.com/epics/rides


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    Geez people. Maybe I am so old that I can remember when we didn't have great single track all over the place. If FATS is not your thing, don't ride it. But to go online and trash a trail system that people spent untold man hours building and that was funded by a grant of over $200,000 seems a bit petty to me. I have only ridden there a few times, but I had a great time. If you think you can do better, buy you own patch of 4,000 acres of land and get to it.
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    I am out and I apologize for anything negative I said.
    It really was not meant to be that way as like I said the trails are very well maintained.
    Again sorry for any negative feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeridesabike View Post
    Geez people. Maybe I am so old that I can remember when we didn't have great single track all over the place. If FATS is not your thing, don't ride it. But to go online and trash a trail system that people spent untold man hours building and that was funded by a grant of over $200,000 seems a bit petty to me. I have only ridden there a few times, but I had a great time. If you think you can do better, buy you own patch of 4,000 acres of land and get to it.

    M.T.B.R., "R" for "Review". This is a place to share our experiences with other to let them know the good AND bad of the sport. Why can't someone come on here and review a trail through their eyes? Whether a trail took $1 millions and 3000 man hours or $50 and 25 minutes, it should be free to be reviewed to let others know how the rider's experience was based on how that person rides.

    You might have loved it, but he didn't. That doesn't mean the trail is bad. It just means he didn't like it.
    Same reason some people like Pepsi over Coke. Neither one is right, it's their opinion and they should be free to share it on a "Review" site such as this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    M.T.B.R., "R" for "Review". This is a place to share our experiences with other to let them know the good AND bad of the sport. Why can't someone come on here and review a trail through their eyes? Whether a trail took $1 millions and 3000 man hours or $50 and 25 minutes, it should be free to be reviewed to let others know how the rider's experience was based on how that person rides.

    You might have loved it, but he didn't. That doesn't mean the trail is bad. It just means he didn't like it.
    Same reason some people like Pepsi over Coke. Neither one is right, it's their opinion and they should be free to share it on a "Review" site such as this.
    Agreed. We are here to share opinions on any number of topics including trails. I gave my opinion on this particular trail and I stand by it. If that is construed as "being negative" then so be it.

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    Why is it that half the old fart riders have such a stick up their butt?
    Fats is prob a blast On a ss... And the new black Mountain work is an abomination.
    both opinions and both correct.

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    Minor correction needed. Long cane Trails (who developed FATS) has built a couple of trails in DuPont, but has not done any design work on trails in DuPont (professionally or as volunteers). The trails they built in DuPont were designed by other parties (including Chuck Ramsey, former Forest Supervisor David Brown and myself).


    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Thanks Mike for saying what alot of us were thinking.

    The designer and builder of FATS is a premier trail builder here in the SE, and he's on this forum. Not only does he have FATS to his credit, he also designed and built Bracken Mountain here in Brevard and a good number of trails in Dupont including the new Turkey Knob Trail. What he did on the banks of the Savanna River is Epic in my opinion.

    Most haters hate because they are uninformed and unappreciative. If they knew what must have been months/years of skill and hardship that went into building FATS, when there was nothing there before, not to mention the huge number of man hours the clubs donate currently, maybe they would show a little gratitude instead of so much whining.

    Every time I go to FATS I leave with a huge grin on my face, FATS is awesome ...go ride it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Minor correction needed. Long cane Trails (who developed FATS) has built a couple of trails in DuPont, but has not done any design work on trails in DuPont (professionally or as volunteers). The trails they built in DuPont were designed by other parties (including Chuck Ramsey, former Forest Supervisor David Brown and myself).
    Thanks for the clarification Woody. I agree the OP's question about what constitutes IMBA's "Epic" status is legit, however his initial post and those that followed sounded a lot more like bashing than objective reviews. Long Cane or any of the other local trail builders deserve better than that, just saying.
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    Yes they are so good they should never be analyzed negatively ever!!!
    F your opinions!!!
    The nc mtbr communist regime strikes again!!
    I've had fun riding at fats but it's a snooze fest

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    As a local, I enjoy FATS. Speak to many visiting and always get great feed back. There are other local trails in the area that IMO are more fun. Ride if you like, don't you don't. Ride your own ride.

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    This thread saddens me as I was planning a trip up to FATS from SoFlo. Can anyone suggest somewhere better to ride between the FL/GA line and FATS?

    Somewhere that would be kind of the same distance north from Florida, so to speak? I guess I could go to somewhere else in GA or AL.

    Thanks for any help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    This thread saddens me as I was planning a trip up to FATS from SoFlo. Can anyone suggest somewhere better to ride between the FL/GA line and FATS?

    Somewhere that would be kind of the same distance north from Florida, so to speak? I guess I could go to somewhere else in GA or AL.

    Thanks for any help.
    Don't you know? You can't believe anything you read on the interwebs, especially here ...haha. Go ride it and judge for yerself, it wouldn't have gotten an epic status unless it was at least worth a trip.

    Go ride ColdWater Mtn and Oak Mountain State Park too, both in Alabama. Just outside Atlanta you got Blankets Creek and Rope Mill, the latter having just open brand new trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    This thread saddens me as I was planning a trip up to FATS from SoFlo. Can anyone suggest somewhere better to ride between the FL/GA line and FATS?

    Somewhere that would be kind of the same distance north from Florida, so to speak? I guess I could go to somewhere else in GA or AL.

    Thanks for any help.
    FATS is all "flow and go", I love it. Think Balm, but more speed, longer elevation changes and wider trail. I've been waiting for clear weather-window (weekend) for it to re-open.

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    To me, FATS is fun at speed. As for ss, I think it would lame it out.

    Would I drive 5 hours for just FATS, not personally. But would I drive that far to camp on the lake and ride the of the rest of the area trails, yup.

    It's like DRSF, if you aren't having fun you should be riding it much, much faster. Works for me anyway.
    Should you do more trail work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    This thread saddens me as I was planning a trip up to FATS from SoFlo. Can anyone suggest somewhere better to ride between the FL/GA line and FATS?

    Somewhere that would be kind of the same distance north from Florida, so to speak? I guess I could go to somewhere else in GA or AL.

    Thanks for any help.
    I don't know where your coming from but if your heading up I 75 you got Mount Dora, Santos, San Felesco in Fl. In Ga. You could hit Thompson Trails (south Macon) pretty good or Dausett (near Jackson) highly recommended.

    If you go I 95, I would hit Gramham Swamp. Also highly recommended. Other than that you have you could try some of the Jax trail or Fort Clinch (so-so).

    If it was me. I wouldn't go out of my way for FATS because of the location. North Ga. Ellijay area and Coldwater Mtn are much better option and lot more fun. Mulberry Gap Bunkhouse is a great place to start if you choose Georgia.

    When are you going? I might be heading up mid May or so.

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    ^^If I go, it will be sometime in June; wife and daughter go to Japan every year to visit family and I only go every other time, so whenever they go is when I was looking to go. I want to ride outside of Florida. I'm only on the beginner side of intermediate-ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    I suppose if a person had a boat, it'd be worth the trip. Otherwise, to me, it's just not. Sorta like jackrabbit. Not worth the trip unless you're going to the lake.
    Glad u mentioned jackrabbit, that trail was a total waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    ^^If I go, it will be sometime in June; wife and daughter go to Japan every year to visit family and I only go every other time, so whenever they go is when I was looking to go. I want to ride outside of Florida. I'm only on the beginner side of intermediate-ish.

    If you're a beginning intermediate, you will LOOOOOOVVEE!! (over emphasis intentional) FATS. Visit the sorbacsra website. Check out all the area trails . Again, based on your self-description, these trails are absopositvely perfect for you. Fun, easy to follow, but challenging for riders of almost all levels. Have fun.

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    That place is super fun. Doubles everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I can see massive amounts of work went in the trail and sustainability is not even remotely an issue there but the trail system just is not fun.
    I think you cursed it. It's closed right now for rain damage
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    The Forest Service opened FATS back up on 5/4. As far as the other local trails in the area? Well US Cycling just had the National Marathon Mt. Biking Championships on Bartram, Keg Creek and Mistletoe, 60+ miles with 90%plus single track.

    The trails are fun. Spoke to many of the racers that said very positive things about the trails with many planning on returning for next years race. Here is four time champions view of the race and trails: Marathon National Championships | Todd Wells

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    So, I will drag this thread out of the depths of MTBR. I just moved to Charleston SC from South East Pennsylvania (Philly area) in the summer. Have not had a chance to ride anything but the two local trails in Charleston, Marrington and Wannamaker, and was itching to try something else. The family was heading to Augusta anyway so taking a bike along to ride was a no brainer. People mentioned FATS and I saw this thread before going, which honestly helped to reduce my enthusiasm. My immediate thought was that FATS must be like the Kingdom Trails in VT and so I was prepared for non-technical riding. Honestly, was it the greatest riding ever, no. Was it terrible, no. I only road the Tower, Big Rock, Deep step and Great Wall, so keep that in mind. I found the trails to be fun for what they are. Would I go back, sure. Did I wish there were more rocks, roots, logs and other obstacles? You bet. I will say, although some of the trail descriptions on the SORBA web-site mention rocks, there are none. That was actually very odd. I actually ended up doing Deep step twice as I liked the fast downhills. Overall, a solid place, that is very much like Kingdom trails. The big difference is that the Kingdom trails are wider and offer more room to jump and be a total hooligan. The trails at FATS are too narrow to allow for complete all out hooliganism!

    Trails were fun. Still looking for my replacement for the Wissahickon (rocky and hilly), if anybody has any recommendations!
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    There are a few rocks at rocky knob trail, boone, nc. Plus they have a fun section for extreme hooliganism.

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    There is nothing like that near your area. You'll have to go north to Upstate SC and/or Western NC.

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    Yes, I figured that. The local shop suggested going to Dupont state forest every month or so. I think that will be the only option. Never been but have always wanted to go, so I guess this is my chance!

    It is amazing how good the MTB seen is in the Philly area. Sure do miss it.
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    Dupont is cool. Worth going for the scenery alone. There's more altitude because of the terrain, but the trail surfaces aren't much different than fats. The gnarlier stuff is on the other side of brevard.

    Some perceptions of trails may have to do with having too much bike. I can see where riding a AM bike at fats wouldn't be nearly as much fun as my xc bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlouder View Post
    Dupont is cool. Worth going for the scenery alone. There's more altitude because of the terrain, but the trail surfaces aren't much different than fats. The gnarlier stuff is on the other side of brevard.

    Some perceptions of trails may have to do with having too much bike. I can see where riding a AM bike at fats wouldn't be nearly as much fun as my xc bike.
    Depends which side of Dupont. There's a good amount of gnar on the Corn Mill Shoals side; Burnt Mountain, Big Rock, Cedar Rock. Eastern side of forest is more flat and flowy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlouder View Post
    Dupont is cool. Worth going for the scenery alone. There's more altitude because of the terrain, but the trail surfaces aren't much different than fats. The gnarlier stuff is on the other side of brevard.

    Some perceptions of trails may have to do with having too much bike. I can see where riding a AM bike at fats wouldn't be nearly as much fun as my xc bike.
    Yes, I went with my 5-Spot, which worked fine but I could easily have used a HT 29er. Any other trails around Augusta, Aiken or Columbia that have some rocks and elevation?
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