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    Heads up Flyboy!!
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    Farlow Gap will not be closed!!!

    Greetings all,

    I got the offical word from Woody Keen and a ranger in Pisgah that Farlow Gap will not be closed to bikes. Below is my letter to Woody and his response. I have also heard this myself from Ranger Burgess.

    Jeremy

    Jeremy wrote:

    > Woody,
    >
    > Its recently come to my attention that Farlow Gap will be closed to
    mountain
    > bikers this year as of 5/12/2004. I know the forest service has been
    trying
    > to do this for some years now and had not heard of any appealment period
    in
    > the past few months for the public to comment on this. Have I just been to
    > intangled in my own web of ideas and work in progress that I missed this?
    > Check out the proposed actions for 2004:
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    > http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/nepa/sopa_jan_04.pdf
    >
    > Thanks for your time.
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    > Jeremy
    > www.wncmountaingoatepics.com

    Greetings all,

    Sorry for such a delayed response to Jeremy's question, I have been busy and
    have not had a chance to find out the answer. I finally spoke to District
    Ranger Randy Burgess last night and we chated for quite some time including
    discusion on Farlow Gap trail. I had noticed that it did not show up on the
    quaterly review for proposed projects and was afraid the decision had been
    made.

    I was plesantly surprised to learn the Randy had pulled it from the
    proposals list and that means that Farlow Gap will remain open to bikes.
    This issue started when a hiker was aparently run off the trail by a mtn
    biker and filed an official compaint with the USFS. Rnady told me that he
    and his family had also had one bad encounter with riders going to fast on
    another trail in Pisgah when they were out hiking one day. He did tell me
    that all other encounters with bikers were positive and he noted that if
    hikers are looking to get away from mtn bikes that there were plenty of
    hiking only trails providing that experience.

    Randy is a really good guy and rides a mtn bike a little bit. We have a
    meeting set up for next week at Bent Creek and he noted he may bring his
    bike if we promised not to laugh at him.

    Way too many of you reading this contribute very little to the local mtn
    bike advocacy efforts. I will ask of three things of you moving forward:

    1. Every reaction you have with other trail users(horses and hikers) is an
    opportunity to make an impression, make it a positive one by slowing down,
    yielding the trail if needed and talking with other trail users. Ask them
    how thier hike is, talk about the good weather, warn them of any hazards
    ahead and tell them to have a nice day. This simple action will continue to
    help secure our riding priviliages for years to come.

    2. Come out and do some trailwork once in a while. The last 2 years have
    really taking a toll on local trails with lots of rain and increased trail
    use. As a mtn bike community, we need to make sure we are giving back to the
    trail systems that we enjoy so much.

    3.Join BRBC. Our local club needs your support and we are always working
    hard to improve riding conditions (both mtn and road) for locals and
    visitors alike. We can't do it without your support. Ask at your local bike
    shop how you can join the club and get involved.

    Woody Keen- BRBC Trails Resource Director

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    Good news. Thanks for the update.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics
    This issue started when a hiker was aparently run off the trail by a mtn biker and filed an official compaint with the USFS. Rnady told me that he and his family had also had one bad encounter with riders going to fast on another trail in Pisgah when they were out hiking one day.
    However, this is a good reason NOT to post on the internet explicit directions on the best downhill shuttles in Pisgah. Brings out the morons who run over hikers and scare the horses.

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    EXACTLY!!!!

    I've been trying to say that without hurting feelings but I cringe when I see the words "Pisgah" and "shuttle" in the same sentence. I know there are a lot of great downhill riders who are perfectly controled and polite to other trail users, but IN GENERAL it's the shuttle guys that are gonna get us all tossed out of Pisgah. I'm seeing it more and more. Saw a group last year w/ a paid guide service coming down Perry Cove. Not sure what the answer is.

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    shuttling

    I personally like to climb as much as I like to go down, but Farlow Gap isn't some secret locals trail. Its on the Pisgah map folks. People just tend to ignore because its a little out the way and the claim that it is a knarley descent. Escape people, OH MY GOD!!! I must be lost if I don't see someone. I will be trying to get the local Pisgah trail crew out there to reroute the badly eroded section near the waterfall soon.

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    I never have understood the thrill of "shuttling".

    It would feel like I hadn't properly 'earned' the downhill portion of the ride, plus as a bike rider I tend to cherish the accomplishent of finally getting up a hill that has kicked my ass before.

    Just my $0.02

    Element
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    For me, shuttling is getting 5 runs in a day, rather than climbing and getting one. The climbs arent bad, they keep you in shape. Just ride at a ski resort for a day...you will understand. Im very glad Farlow isnt being closed, I still haven't had a chance to ride it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by element
    I never have understood the thrill of "shuttling".

    It would feel like I hadn't properly 'earned' the downhill portion of the ride, plus as a bike rider I tend to cherish the accomplishent of finally getting up a hill that has kicked my ass before.

    Just my $0.02

    Element
    I'm generally into earning my rides too, but there are a couple exceptions...

    Farlow is a good example, it has miles of grinding FS Road climbing, that is not fun, not challenging, not anything but boring while you have to contend with vehicles and their dust, so I don't mind avoiding that. On the flip side, I love climbing some good singletrack, and am indifferent to some more remote (closed to vehicles) roads (like clawhammer).

    The other instance is somewhat like what TP says below, but a bit of a variation. After doing a 20-mile loop, we were left without enough time to do a full loop, but got in a nice run of Bennets Gap (late march) that would have otherwise not been possible. We are all a bunch of XC folks, so it was not like we were taking our 50# bikes down the path of hell, and I've done that climb twice, going up avery, then clawhammer, over black mt. past the shelter and etc. To be honest, I felt like I got that one a bit on the cheap, but still enjoyed being able to do the descent on fresh(er) legs. I was able to do it with only two dabs

    Like I said, I'm no downhiller, but if I were, I could understand why someone would not want to do that ride as a loop on a 50# bike with 8" on both ends...


    All that said, I think that folks like TP, who as far as I can tell represents mountainbiking quite well, show that the "all downhillers and freeriders are ruining it for the rest of us" argument does not hold water. There are definitely some boneheads out there (Downhiller, Freerider and XC/Racers alike), but my experience is that there are a LOT of dedicated and responsible MTB'ers that just happen to like a certain form of riding.

    To me, the answer to preventing trail closure is to get the word out, educate people, and say something (firmly but polititely) when you see something wrong. It is a slow process, it does not always make one a popular person, but it is the best answer I can think of, as I don't believe that you can just hide the identity of trails that are already on the map, as was also already stated.

    Just my $0.02 and is somewhat in response to several replies on this thread. (Not really disagreeing with anyone or any post, and reitterating a lot of what has already been said, but I do feel like the "class-separation" of mountainbiking is far more counterproductive than any one sector of the sport)
    Last edited by bmateo; 05-14-2004 at 08:48 AM.

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    OK, OK...I suppose I will have to do more shuttling. I have aways been more of a cross country rider than a downhiller.

    Thanks for the perspectives.

    Element
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