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    Trail conditions in DuPont have been awesome this fall, hard packed, dry and rolling nicely. Having been gone for 5+ months I was eager to get out on the trails in the past few weeks and see how well they held up to the 100+" of rain we have had this year. The trails held up great, I saw almost no signs of a summer of heavy rain on all the purpose built singletrack (fall line old roads certainly eroded).

    Weather events this past week was a shitestorm for trail conditions: 2+" of rain followed by 1" of snow and then really cold (a few nights of 18 degrees). All that in just a couple days time and the wet with cold has set up freeze/thaw and muddy conditions on some trails in DuPont. Problem trails are those with clay based soils, sandier soil trails should be fine.

    Reasonover was bad today (11/29), so bad that I will recommend closure to forest management to protect trail tread and all the good work that happened on that trail this spring. Other suspects: Airstrip, Mine Mountain, Laurel Ridge. This means parking at Fawn Lake right now will be the worst choice, consider other parking areas and ride trails in other sections of DuPont (or ride early while ground is frozen). I will continue to offer updates based on my inspections and others are encouraged to offer trail condition reports here as well.
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    Today we rode Cascade, Pine Tree, Longside, Twixt, Wilkie and Micajah
    ...all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Today we rode Cascade, Pine Tree, Longside, Twixt, Wilkie and Micajah
    ...all good.
    All those are on the sandy side. I would also expect Ridgeline and Jim Branch to be good to go, will check them out over the weekend and report back. Thanks for your post and report on these trails.

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    Yup, thats why we rode that side and only found a spot or two holding moisture. The biggest hazzard was the ice on slab at the top of Cascade and top of Micajah, always makes for interesting traction.

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    Jim Branch and Ridgeline are fine. I rode then Thanksgiving.

    Three and that side of Pitch Pine need some work.
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    Rode out of Lake Imaging yesterday 12-7. Jim Branch,Hilltop,& Ridgline were great.... Even after hard rains from night before.

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    All of DuPont is cold and wet today.

    I didn't see it first hand, just call it an intuition.
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    Highly advisable that Reasonover should probably be avoided during the winter months. Rode it last week before the rains returned and after 4 days of sun and still a sploogy slop-fest. The red clay composit there just can't handle bike traffic on top of the freeze-thaw effect.

    Like Jim Lauderdale and Donna the Buffalo says ..."Wait til spring".

    Now you got that song in yer head, don't ya.

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    Reasonover Creek Trail is now closed due to freeze/thaw and mud conditions. The trail will reopen when the weather stabilizes. Please respect this closure and help protect this trail during winter months and help spread the word. I will keep all posted and up to date when the trail re-opens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Reasonover Creek Trail is now closed due to freeze/thaw and mud conditions. The trail will reopen when the weather stabilizes. Please respect this closure and help protect this trail during winter months and help spread the word. I will keep all posted and up to date when the trail re-opens.
    Funny thing is, I said to my buddy today that I wish they would close that trail during the winter and make it a seasonal trail. Great trail but it just shouldn't be used by any user group this time of year.
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    Glad we could make your wish come true. It will not be an always closed in the winter type of thing, always winter and weather dependent. So far, the winter this weather has been a perfect recipe for bad trail conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Glad we could make your wish come true. It will not be an always closed in the winter type of thing, always winter and weather dependent. So far, the winter this weather has been a perfect recipe for bad trail conditions.
    It doesn't take much for reasonover to get bad.
    My real wish would be it wouldn't need closing but I just don't soil conditions will allow that.
    It is a great trail but I pretty much avoid it all winter regardless. Maybe I will ride it if there is a good solid freeze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Maybe I will ride it if there is a good solid freeze.
    Umm, not if its closed.

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    Thanks Woody!! Glad to see it happen, maybe now all the recent work won't be destroyed.
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    That is the idea, protect the recent work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Umm, not if its closed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Umm, not if its closed.
    Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious.

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    Is all of Reasonover closed? Hopefully it is open to the Turkey Knob trail junction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pisgahrider View Post
    Is all of Reasonover closed? Hopefully it is open to the Turkey Knob trail junction.
    Sorry, but all of Reasonover is closed. You can use Pinnacle Mountain Road to climb up to gain access to the new Turkey Knob Connector. That is a nice uphill gravel road with good views.

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    Funny how the trails with the most recent work are the ones that get closed first.I'm wondering if this "work" has been done correctly.From the boastful typing's of these supposed trail experts it seems odd that a trail they worked on would need to be closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Funny how the trails with the most recent work are the ones that get closed first.I'm wondering if this "work" has been done correctly.From the boastful typing's of these supposed trail experts it seems odd that a trail they worked on would need to be closed.

    Actually it makes perfect sense that a trail that had recent work or was recently built would be closed after heavy rains or in the winter when the freeze/thaws are happening and right now we are getting both.
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    Has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe it has more to due with soil types, what direction the trail faces (north or south), elevation of trail in relation to other trails, ridgetops and other geography features, presence of hydrology (streams, rivers) holding moisture in low lying valleys etc?

    Many trails in DuPont got worked on under the same contract by the same contractor and with the same work prescription. Reasonover is the only one that needed to be closed, so maybe, just maybe it has nothing to do with whether the work was done correctly as you have suggested here. The decision to close one was based on real-time inspections on almost a weekly basis and monitoring conditions frequently and after different weather related events (rain, hard freezes etc.). For the record, most trails in DuPont are doing quite well this winter season despite a combination of winter related events that do have an effect on trail tread conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Actually it makes perfect sense that a trail that had recent work or was recently built would be closed after heavy rains or in the winter when the freeze/thaws are happening and right now we are getting both.
    BINGO! We are not the only area that deals with freeze/thaw, all you have to do is a bit of hunting around this here interwebs tool and find lots of places dealing with similar issues:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/oregon/2014-b...ad-894390.html

    DuPont is known as one of the better draining trail systems in western NC. Winter however is a very different monster.

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    It has absolutely nothing to do with the trail work as Woody stated. Reasonover had these same issues, well before the recent trail work was performed.
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    Another point for Sassy
    Should you do more trail work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Funny how the trails with the most recent work are the ones that get closed first.I'm wondering if this "work" has been done correctly.From the boastful typing's of these supposed trail experts it seems odd that a trail they worked on would need to be closed.
    When the weather is cold and wet and we try and plan a ride, the first ones we consider are the newest ones built. New trail builds have well engineered alignment, out-sloping, dips and drains. Old converted hiking trail and/or skid-paths, with the exception of maybe Laurel-Pilot and Farlow because of their rocky surface, are the last ones we want to tread on. I have ridden Bracken Mtn the minute after the rain stopped and it was perfect, same goes for Cascade, Ridgeline, Pinetree and others in DSF. Reasonover is unique because of its soil composite and southern facing slopes. Please check your facts before starting a smear campaign on those that try and bring us more riding opportunities.

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    Such a fine line between ignorance and stupidity.

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    DuPont trail conditions- winter 2013/2014

    Please good citizens, please do not feed the troll. Sassy pants will likely not be heard from again concerning this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snototter View Post
    Such a fine line between ignorance and stupidity.
    Not in her case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Not in her case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    It has absolutely nothing to do with the trail work as Woody stated. Reasonover had these same issues, well before the recent trail work was performed.
    Always good when folks are educated and remember past history of a trail as opposed to just blabbing cause they don't like any trail work regardless. Thank you for jumping in with that very important history lesson. You are correct, the problems were there on R-Creek trail last winter, and the one before and so on. The work done makes the trail drain much better now for 10+ months out of the year, as noted winter is just a fragile time. The USFS just announced a bunch of road closures of normally open to traffic roads due to freeze/thaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Please good citizens, please do not feed the troll. Sassy pants will likely not be heard from again concerning this thread.
    Look what I found

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    I guess he is known.
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    Boastful and sensitive.And as usual the d!ckheads chimed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    Boastful and sensitive.And as usual the d!ckheads chimed in.
    Oh, come on. You say something beyond stupid, you are corrected and that is the best you can do?

    The only boastful and sensitive d!ckhead here is obviously you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Oh, come on. You say something beyond stupid, you are corrected and that is the best you can do?

    The only boastful and sensitive d!ckhead here is obviously you.


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    I'm the stupid one here, I wasn't paying attention to it actually being your post.
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    DuPont trail conditions- winter 2013/2014

    Sassycrotch returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Sassycrotch returns.
    We can always depend on A$$hat65 to chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sasquatch on 1206 View Post
    We can always depend on A$$hat65 to chime in.
    Amen sister. "We" really can.

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    Jan 31 conditions:

    Complete slopfest. Frozen ground under, 2-3" of melting slow on top. Conditions today went from ridable with no real tread damage (due to snow) to a complete slopfeast in a few hours.

    Please avoid all trails if possible for a while until things dry out a bit, go ride some gravel roads.

    Thank you for your consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    I have ridden Bracken Mtn the minute after the rain stopped and it was perfect.
    just FYI, snow is apparently a different story from rain on Bracken. We tried to ride in from the fish hatchery gravel on Sat, and it was a nightmare as soon as we got to the newly worked section. Rode less than a 1/4 mile before we decided it was not going to improve and we needed to stop putting tracks in the red mud. Turned around. I'm at a loss where we can ride for the rest of the winter/spring besides gravel roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedchick View Post
    just FYI, snow is apparently a different story from rain on Bracken. We tried to ride in from the fish hatchery gravel on Sat, and it was a nightmare as soon as we got to the newly worked section. Rode less than a 1/4 mile before we decided it was not going to improve and we needed to stop putting tracks in the red mud. Turned around. I'm at a loss where we can ride for the rest of the winter/spring besides gravel roads.
    FYI that first section from the end of 475c, has just been reworked within the last few weeks. It hasn't had time to even get packed in yet, however the freeze thaw has hit several spots on the "Brevard" side of Bracken as well. I'd only ride it at temps where things will be frozen.

    Also even the gravel in Dupont is soft and slop right now. It appeared yesterday that most of the riders were staying on gravel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by litespeedchick View Post
    just FYI, snow is apparently a different story from rain on Bracken. We tried to ride in from the fish hatchery gravel on Sat, and it was a nightmare as soon as we got to the newly worked section. Rode less than a 1/4 mile before we decided it was not going to improve and we needed to stop putting tracks in the red mud. Turned around. I'm at a loss where we can ride for the rest of the winter/spring besides gravel roads.
    Not sure how Bracken conditions fits in here on the discussion of trail conditions in Dupont, but that is how these treads seem to evolve.

    Yes, snow is way different. Things at rest like to stay at rest. Melting snow is pretty lazy and does not really want to go anywhere. And this year, it is sitting on top of frozen ground underneath thanks to all the very cold weather. It is a bit rare for us to have frozen ground, but this year we have. Water now can not go vertical though the soil matrix (which it never does in clay, but the sandy loam soils of DuPont it does) as it hits the frozen ground pretty quick. Ground thaws from the top down, so the top layer thaws while the under layer is still frozen. All in all, that makes for very poor trail conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post

    Also even the gravel in Dupont is soft and slop right now. It appeared yesterday that most of the riders were staying on gravel.
    Yeah, we stayed on the gravel this weekend and I left DuPont the muddiest I had ever left DuPont.

    Not saying that mountain bikers are free from blame nor am I trying to push the blame on equestrian use however I did see quite a bit of horses out there and they seemed to be using the single track. I blame that more on the lack of education on trail maintenance when it comes to user group.

    Woody, don't know if it is possible or not but is it possible to put signs up at the trail heads requesting people don't use the trails when conditions are this horrible?
    You know something like forest fire danger signs. It would possibly educate the many who use the trails that gnomes don't come and fix the damage over night.
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    I am thinking of heading over to dupont/Pisgah from Raleigh for the weekend. It looks like there is no rain in the Dupont forecast through the weekend. Although, I have been reading & it seems that it has been pretty sloppy from all the rain/snow & freeze-thaw in the past.

    Do yall think conditions may be rideable by the weekend?

    Thanks for the input
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    I plan to get out for a hike this afternoon to check on conditions, but would expect conditions to still be poor. We had a fair bit of rain last night, and that was on top of really poor conditions. I will post up observations later today. I don't think you are going to find anywhere dry and in good shape right now, it has been one of those winters (wet and extreme cold, snow melting, and too many folks wanting to get out causing tread damage).



    Quote Originally Posted by mkirby258 View Post
    I am thinking of heading over to dupont/Pisgah from Raleigh for the weekend. It looks like there is no rain in the Dupont forecast through the weekend. Although, I have been reading & it seems that it has been pretty sloppy from all the rain/snow & freeze-thaw in the past.

    Do yall think conditions may be rideable by the weekend?

    Thanks for the input
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    Any updates on conditions? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timdvm View Post
    Any updates on conditions? Thanks.
    Thanks for asking. I have been a little preoccupied with the Black Mountain saga, sorry I have not posted anything here.

    I walked most of Ridgeline and Jim Branch on Wed. Worst conditions I think I have ever seen in DuPont. Tons of bike traffic on those 2 trails Fri and over the weekend when the tread was very fragile. Frozen ground underneath, and melting snow on top just in time for 50-60 degree days on a weekend. I would ask folks to stay off of those 2 trails until conditions improve, and when I check again on Monday if conditions have not improved and we are seeing new tread damage from bikes I will recommend forest management to do a temp closure on those. Go for a hike instead, as I really don't know of trails very ridable w/o tread damage right now anywhere.
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    Thanks Woody. Kids are itching to ride, didn't want to drive down there if it was a no-go.

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    We all are itching.......



    Quote Originally Posted by timdvm View Post
    Thanks Woody. Kids are itching to ride, didn't want to drive down there if it was a no-go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    We all are itching.......
    Yeah, I can tell from the Black Mountain thread.

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    Feb 10th update. Trails were in much better shape today than earlier in the week. Just the right moisture content in the soil and bikes were packing back in what had been disturbed earlier. Ridgeline and Jim Branch were in good shape, just a few wet spots still.
    Maybe some snow on the way mid week so we will see. Reasonover remains closed and will stay that way until the freeze/thaw is over.

    Work on the Hickory Mtn loop should begin soon, super excited about that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Work on the Hickory Mtn loop should begin soon, super excited about that one.
    Thats good news, who got the contract?

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    I too am really excited about Hickory Mtn Loop
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    Andrew Mueller. He will do a good job.

    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    Thats good news, who got the contract?

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    Greetings Friends,
    My friend and I are looking to spend 5 days in North Carolina Mountain Biking and other other outdoor pursuits that end up working out (whitewater kayaking, golfing, fishing, hiking, etc).

    I've researched enough to know there's lots of great mountain biking Western NC, but I need some local knowledge. The main one is.... are the trails ridable at the start of march? What's the weather usually like in NC in March?

    From my research, it seems like Dupont Forest and Pisgah are great places to MTB, so I was looking at staying close to Brevard or Ashville. Any suggestion for other trails or places to stay?

    I'm also looking for a nice cottage/cabin for around $100 a night with two beds.


    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sc02ma View Post
    What's the weather usually like in NC in March?
    Dry, wet, rainy, hot, cold, sunny, cloudy, windy, calm....you pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Dry, wet, rainy, hot, cold, sunny, cloudy, windy, calm....you pick.
    Possibly all in the same day
    Pisgah Area SORBA

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    ... your idea of technical may be much different than other peoples idea of technical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerry68 View Post
    Possibly all in the same day
    True
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    So if we were in the area for 5 days, do you think we're likely to get a few nice days of riding?

    We're from Canada, so the cold, cloudy, windy won't really bother us. I just don't want to be riding in the rain all the time, or in tons of mud.

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    You'll likely get rideable weather. Just check in when you're here for the best place to go if weather is iffy.


    On Dupont. Yesterday I rode a bit from Corn Mill Shoals. Only bad trail was cascade and it was ugly. Otherwise good riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by sc02ma View Post
    So if we were in the area for 5 days, do you think we're likely to get a few nice days of riding?

    We're from Canada, so the cold, cloudy, windy won't really bother us. I just don't want to be riding in the rain all the time, or in tons of mud.
    If you are coming from the Great White North, the price of admission to our trails is a pallet of Tim Bits in all assorted flavors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sc02ma View Post
    So if we were in the area for 5 days, do you think we're likely to get a few nice days of riding?

    We're from Canada, so the cold, cloudy, windy won't really bother us. I just don't want to be riding in the rain all the time, or in tons of mud.
    Honestly, there is just no telling.
    We just had a beautiful 50F blue sky weekend and now we have another cold front moving in that will be dropping snow from Tues-Thurs only to melt all before the weekend which will be in the 50's again.

    I am sure to Canadian the idea of it warming back up for weekend riding sounds great.
    Well to us it mean that the trails are going to freeze pushing water up the soil. Then we are going to get snow that sits on top of that frozen soil. Then it is all going melt and thaw at the same time turning our trails in to mud pits. Then if all things go well the trails may be ok to ride the following weekend about 10 days later.

    Now these are worst case scenario conditions we are getting but if you are asking if in a 5 day period you will have a couple decent days of riding the simple answer is nobody can tell you. You may have 5 days of the most incredible riding ever, you may have 5 days of total sh!t or you could have a mix of anything in between.

    The weather here is always unpredictable and last year and this year it has been even more so.....well I guess it has been fairly predictable if you prediction is that it will suck.

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    Valentines Day Feb 14th conditions report:

    See photos. Bring your snowshoes, XC skis or test drive that new fat bike. This snow is not going anywhere anytime soon, hard pack snow that freezes up every night. Parking lots will require 4 wheel drive, and even Cascade Lake Road was not great yesterday without a good snow vehicle. When it does melt off, trails will need a good week or more to dry back out.
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    Everyone said it would be a muddy mess today.
    I said no it won't, it is in the shade and the snow will stop the trails from thawing.

    I was right

    Of course in 4" of snow, it was slow going....I mean really slow going.
    But it was a blast in the sections you could ride down. Fish tailing everywhere without turning up the mud.

    If you have a fatty ride it.
    If you don't, you may hate it. I had fun but I have a twisted sense of fun sometimes.
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    I want a fat bike for times like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    I want a fat bike for times like this.
    It would have been an awesome day of riding if I had one but I know as soon as I got one we would never get snow again. Or worse, we would get it on a Monday and it would all gone before I could get to it. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    It would have been an awesome day of riding if I had one but I know as soon as I got one we would never get snow again. Or worse, we would get it on a Monday and it would all gone before I could get to it. lol
    Exactly. I all for N+1 (or S-1), but fat bikes are just too specialized, unless you live in Alaska or on a beach.
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    ... your idea of technical may be much different than other peoples idea of technical.

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    Was up off the Parkway yesterday snowshoeing. Could not stop thinking how much fun fat biking on the Parkway would be when there was snow down.


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    Exactly. I all for N+1 (or S-1), but fat bikes are just too specialized, unless you live in Alaska or on a beach.

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    Still about 4 inches of slush over most of DSRF when I was walking around out there today.

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    If the rain comes tonight it should knock it down a good bit. Whatever might be left this weekend may get knocked down by the rain in Friday if it comes. However, I am guessing the trails will be a muddy mess this weekend.
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    Fingers crossed for march 8. Hope the trails clear up by then.

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    So do we
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    Reasonover still closed for the season or with this dry weather is it open? Guess I could find out for myself but trying to come up with a fun route for an evening/night ride tonight and had that one on my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jn35646 View Post
    Reasonover still closed for the season or with this dry weather is it open?
    It was still closed as of yesterday. I'm sure the powers that be will wait until all threats of freeze/thaw are behind us and that could be another month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    It was still closed as of yesterday. I'm sure the powers that be will wait until all threats of freeze/thaw are behind us and that could be another month.
    Thanks for the info! That helps with planning a route.

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    I hope to open R. Creek first of March. We should be out of the water weather wise.


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    Thanks for the info! That helps with planning a route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    I hope to open R. Creek first of March. We should be out of the water weather wise.
    No worries, there are a ton of trails to ride either way. Given what I saw tonight it should be just fine to open it back up, as long as nothing really falls between now and tomorrow. Going to be a warm and windy weekend, trails will be damn near perfection after Sunday if we don't get any precipitation.

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    Reasonover Creek Trail officially reopened this morning. When I radioed in at the start of a Bike Patrol ride, Bruce (assistant Forest supervisor) told me that the trail was open and asked that I remove closure signs at the Reasonover/Turkey Knob intersection and at the Turkey Knob/Briery intersection. The signs are removed, and the upper section of Reasonover is in good shape... Didn't have time to ride from Turkey to Lake Julia... The stuff I rode on the south side of the Forest, Reasonover (upper), Turkey Knob, Briery, Grassy, Sandy, Tar Kiln, Thomas Cemetery, Buck Forest, Conservation, Pitch Pine, Three Lakes, and Fawn Lake, are generally in good shape.
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    Cedar Rock relocation is complete and should be open again in the not-too-distant future. I told the rangers I'd like to see at least one cycle of rain/dry again before I'm comfortable opening new stuff but it should be a super sweet addition to an already great descent. It has some nice rock work and cool slabs and big pine roots on it, and now you'll pretty much be on trail all the way from the rock to the river.

    The stuff I've been building at guion is pretty dang dusty right now and is ready for tomorrow's rain. Glad to see and talk to lots of folks out enjoying the forest today.

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    Is that your Subie parked at the bottom of Hickory the last couple days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Is that your Subie parked at the bottom of Hickory the last couple days?
    That's my "work truck".

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    lol Cool, I figured
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    It will be wet today (Sat. March 6th) due tot he snow we just got. This AM (8AM) most places the snow was melted off but trails were wet. Guoin Farm area still had snow on the ground, but my guess it will melt off fast today as temps hit the low 60s. There has been no extreme cold recently causing frost heave action, so even though wet conditions should not be too muddy.

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    Yep, it melted fast ...DuPont conditions were as good as they get today. Fall leaves are off the trail, perfect tacky soil and only a couple puddles in the usual places, Reasonover was especially good. All the parkinglots were over capacity and yet only encountered a half doz users on the trail, love how that works. Tomorrow should be just as woohoo as today. Get out and enjoy!

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    Will be there tomorrow single speeding it.
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    Great conditions today. If anyone on these forums found a Cateye Velo 5 on Reasonover Creek Trail at the first skinny going North. You could keep it or you could send me a PM and arrange a meet-up and you get free beer. It was brand new (2nd ride) and well, I am poor. Other than that, amazing ride. First time in Dupont, NC and did 12.3 miles

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    Sucks about losing the bike computer.
    Let me know if you can't find it. I have a couple old ones that need batteries but you can have one for free if you want. It won't be as nice but it will be free. Just PM me if interested.
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    I plan to ride that today and keep an eye out. I lost one a few weeks back and got it back from someone here on MTBR.

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    Correction it is a Velo 7, thanks for keeping an eye out. Black body, silver face if I can recall correctly.

    I plan on going up to DuPont a fair amount after my first impression there. I came from Washington state and that was some great riding in NC. A lot better than yielding for hikers on Paris mountain.

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    Rode most of the South side trails today, everything was perfect. Place was packed out when I was leaving.

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    I looked today but did not see a lost computer. Maybe someone else picked it up. Glad you enjoyed the trails. Consider joining us for a workday sometime, info is posted here:http://forums.mtbr.com/north-south-c...-a-902040.html



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    Correction it is a Velo 7, thanks for keeping an eye out. Black body, silver face if I can recall correctly.

    I plan on going up to DuPont a fair amount after my first impression there. I came from Washington state and that was some great riding in NC. A lot better than yielding for hikers on Paris mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    I looked today but did not see a lost computer. Maybe someone else picked it up. Glad you enjoyed the trails. Consider joining us for a workday sometime, info is posted here:http://forums.mtbr.com/north-south-c...-a-902040.html
    Thanks for looking out for me there today. DuPont is about 1.5 hours away but I could look into getting involved with some trail keep up sometime.

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    Pisgah SORBA host weekend camp outs and trail workdays from time to time, I hope to schedule one for April. Great chance to come camp in the heart of the forest (special permit) and ride, and work. Fun times.

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    Thanks for looking out for me there today. DuPont is about 1.5 hours away but I could look into getting involved with some trail keep up sometime.

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    "Oh yeah and were a sticky now too ...thanks mods."

    We got a sticky just in time for spring. Who is our mod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    We got a sticky just in time for spring. Who is our mod?
    I couldn't find who is actually the mod for our region anywhere so I just picked one at random that is on the list (from the trail advocacy forum) and got lucky, he put it up there the same day I asked. I've since PMed him again saying the "winter 2013/2014" is no longer relevant and can he take that off the title, he's yet to do that and I suspect might need to hear that request from you since you are the author, I'll let you know.
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    And here I thought me saying some to Neubert when I was riding Pisgah with him Saturday had something to do with it. lol

    Anyways, glad to see it is finally here. It only took over a year of asking.
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    Should we start a Spring trail conditions thread for DSRF, or continue to add items here? The relocated Hickory Mountain Loop Trail officially opened yesterday--it looks and rides great--add it to your Ridgeline experience. So far I've only ridden it clockwise, but it should be fun in either direction. DSRF trails today were in great condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailZen View Post
    The relocated Hickory Mountain Loop Trail officially opened yesterday--it looks and rides great--add it to your Ridgeline experience. So far I've only ridden it clockwise, but it should be fun in either direction. DSRF trails today were in great condition.
    Yes, Hickory Mtn is officially open. I went and checked it out yesterday; with the exception of a few horse hoofprints it looks great. Very dry right now but based on the weather forecast I would check it out today (sunday) or wait until wed to give it some time to firm up. I recommend riding it clockwise then turning around and doing counter clockwise. Both sides are a nice mix of technical and fast with alternate mountain bike lines. I hope everyone enjoys and feel free to send me feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Mueller- View Post
    I recommend riding it clockwise then turning around and doing counter clockwise.
    Hahaha I said I was just going to ride it one direction (which was clockwise) then ride it the other direction next time. On the way up I kept thinking to myself "this looks like it would be really fun to go down but I will do it next time". Got to the bottom, started to head towards Ridgeline and said "screw it" and turned back around and did it counter clockwise.

    I was wore out and tired when I did the first time but I just could not leave without doing it in both directions. Awesome job. Once it firms up it will be as good as Ridgeline and it won't be one I will pass up on when on that side of DuPont.

    I was on the single speed today but will have to do it on the full suspension bike next time.
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    Here is a trail profile of the new loop for anyone interested.
    As you can see it is a bit steeper of a climb going counter clockwise but not a lot. Like mentioned though it is fun in either direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailZen View Post
    Should we start a Spring trail conditions thread for DSRF, or continue to add items here?
    The author of this thread (Woodman) needs to ask a mod to take the date off the threads title since its no longer relevant. Then we can continue to use this one. That'll be easier than trying to create a new sticky I'd imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatTireGoose View Post
    The author of this thread (Woodman) needs to ask a mod to take the date off the threads title since its no longer relevant. Then we can continue to use this one. That'll be easier than trying to create a new sticky I'd imagine.

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    I don't think we have one, at least no one is listed for our forum. I just picked one at random last time and he moved this thread to a sticky. I got no response when I suggested the date be removed though. Thats just my guess that it needs to be requested from the author as thats been true on other sites. Good luck (not sarcasm).
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    re: DuPont trail conditions

    How will dupont be today? I'm in from out of town and was hoping to hit it this afternoon noon.

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    It will be good, we only saw maybe an inch of rain over the past 3 days of what was suppose to be a wash out.
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    Awesome. Great news. Thanks for the quick response.

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    DuPont trail conditions- winter 2013/2014

    With all this rain, will DuPont be rideable this weekend? Was thinking about venturing up there for the first time on Saturday.

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    Should be good to go.

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    DuPont is usually pretty good shortly after a rain. However, according to accuweather it is supposed rain both Saturday and Sunday in the Hendersonville/Brevard area. It doesn't look like it will be too bad but you never know.
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    Conditions went from very dry to very different very fast (24hrs). Wed/Thur rainfall amounts were 4.5" so you can expect a few wet places this weekend, but more importantly look out for downfall. Sticks, twigs, limbs on the ground and low branches ready to slap you in the face can best describe current conditions from yesterday (mid May).

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    Crosspost with the Pisgah sticky thread -- if it really does rain late this week like it is supposed to, then DuPont and Tsali will be ok to ride, but I probably shouldn't ride Pisgah. Is that right? I'll be in Brevard late Thursday and Friday and at Tsali Saturday - Monday.

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    I hate to say it but the Big Rock reroute is a muddy mess that is going to need some attention soon. First mud puddle coming down on the reroute is about a foot deep.
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    That was predicted. Please send a note to forest management to that effect. Chuck and I commented on the new alignment noting it would have big problems and those problems are now raising their head.

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    I hate to say it but the Big Rock reroute is a muddy mess that is going to need some attention soon. First mud puddle coming down on the reroute is about a foot deep.

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    It really has rained every day for a few weeks now (with a few exceptions) and we are in the summer pattern of afternoon t-storms almost every day. DuPont dries fast, and most of Pisgah will be normal meaning expect wet and mud in places. That is just a reality here in the rain forest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gregon2wheels View Post
    Crosspost with the Pisgah sticky thread -- if it really does rain late this week like it is supposed to, then DuPont and Tsali will be ok to ride, but I probably shouldn't ride Pisgah. Is that right? I'll be in Brevard late Thursday and Friday and at Tsali Saturday - Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    It really has rained every day for a few weeks now (with a few exceptions) and we are in the summer pattern of afternoon t-storms almost every day. DuPont dries fast, and most of Pisgah will be normal meaning expect wet and mud in places. That is just a reality here in the rain forest.
    Thanks, so ok to ride if slow going? Don't want to tear up trails.

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    We have now been 2 full days w/o rain so things are drying up. You should be fine, thanks for your concern for the trails.

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    Thanks, so ok to ride if slow going? Don't want to tear up trails.

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    Just curious....but does anyone know why 3 Lakes Trail in DuPont has been closed for a few weeks?

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    Probably holding water but that is just a guess. I can't ride for another month or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wnckeith View Post
    Just curious....but does anyone know why 3 Lakes Trail in DuPont has been closed for a few weeks?
    Yup, would be my guess.
    It was closed a good portion of last year too.
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    Three Lakes was not a very well thought out trail. The alignment was not great due to too much flat and clay based soils (no drainage) and the construction was sub standard. During wet periods, it will always be a problem.



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    Yup, would be my guess.
    It was closed a good portion of last year too.

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    Thanks for the comments here. I did do my ride 3 weeks ago (1 day at Oak Mountain, 1 at Dupont, 2 at Tsali, and 1 at Enterprise in Chattanooga). Fantastic riding. Finally able to download the photos from my phone. I definitely want to go back.

    Nice people - mountain bikers and hikers alike. Lots of short, pleasant conversations. Water crossings surprised me, but they were fun if slippery (especially the one east of Burnt Mountain). Couldn't always find a good line up and down some rocks, but I had fun everywhere.

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    Headed in to Asheville next week and looking like t-storms possible nearly daily while we're there..

    Assuming typically an afternoon rain dump but nice AM and later evenings to ride? Any notable trails to avoid after rain?

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    If you are riding DSF, avoid Reasonover after heavy rain. Ride it early if you can.

    If riding the rain, kick out a few drains for penance and stay in the middle of the tread and puddles. Thx
    Should you do more trail work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    If you are riding DSF, avoid Reasonover after heavy rain. Ride it early if you can.

    If riding the rain, kick out a few drains for penance and stay in the middle of the tread and puddles. Thx
    Word...

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    BTW. I would skip Bent Creek personally and ride DSRF and PNF. Heartbreak is always fun...
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    If you like wet gravel...sure.
    Should you do more trail work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    If you are riding DSF, avoid Reasonover after heavy rain. Ride it early if you can.

    If riding the rain, kick out a few drains for penance and stay in the middle of the tread and puddles. Thx
    Agree about Reasonover. One of my favorites at DSRF is Turkey Knob but it dries out a bit slower than other trails.

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    Got like 5" of rain down in Greenville last couple of days. How's Dupont sitting for this weekend? Is it a swamp and the water crossings way up?

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    Yup, we got a lot of rain here too.
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    I've heard two different versions of how much rain Dupont and the surrounding area got. Most I've seen through weather sites (wunderground/weather.com/accuweather, etc) is about half of an inch. In the Pisgah conditions forum it was mentioned less than an inch at the Turkey Pen area.

    I love the wunderground option for selecting different weather stations. Handful just around the Dupont area.

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    Still, better not risk it.
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    Conditions were good today. Lake Imaging/Hilltop were tacky but not wet. Mine Mountain was about perfect. Like normal during summer months there were wet patches on Reasonover and Turkey Knob. Grassy Creek trail had a few wet spots. Rifle trail was good to go and most importantly....Ridgeline was awesome. Cerberus044 hope you went as the sun popped out about 9:15 and and stayed out until light rain around 2.

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    Dupont was a swamp on Tuesday night. While it didn't rain much on Tuesday during the day, all the rain the area has received lately has no place to go as the ground is saturated. I'm not sure about some of the usual areas on the south side of the forest, but Pine Tree trail had large puddles literally every two feet or so. Cascade trail was only slightly better. I think the place needs to dry out for a week at this point. There's even more rain there today. Hasn't been much fun lately.

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    How do you guys think the trails will be tomorrow (wed)?

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    Should be good to go.
    Should you do more trail work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    Should be good to go.
    Thanks
    Trails were awesome! Heard some thunder as I was loading up so might be different tomorrow.
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    FWIW:
    At Dupont Friday August 29. Trails all dry and dusty. Muddy areas are rutted but dry.

    At Dupont Sunday August 31, significant rain overnight. Some mud puddles scattered around, Thompson Cemetery Rd had large areas of mud you just had to ride through.

    These areas keep spreading as people try to go around the edges. Also some mudholes up White Pine Road.
    Just some good slop to ride through!
    Just some scattered puddles up Hickory Mtn Rd. and on Buck Forest, not worth mentioning.
    Ridgeline is well drained and in good condition, just a few wet areas, no mud. Same with Jim Branch.

    Scattered showers around from 8/31 - 9/3 so probably similar conditions at this point.

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    At DuPont, I have stopped to stack brush in a few places to stop people from riding around. It is the best way to solve the problem until a trail crew can get to it.
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    In Asheville for the week to do some riding and it rained hard here last night (Sunday). We don't like when people ride our trails when they are wet, so we don't want to do that to others. Wondering if anyone can give a report on Dupont, Bent Creek or other areas.

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    Overnight I measured 3 inches of rain here in the Canton area, just west of Asheville. It seemed to be a widespread rain, so I imagine all of the trails are wet. If the sun comes out, things should start to dry out, but, at less for today, expect wet, muddy conditions.

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    Yeah a lot of rain, guess at Bent Creek it seems it is better to stick to the gravel today which IMHO is not that bad once in a while.

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    Thanks. I saw 1/4" for Dupont Area, 1/2" for Asheville and 3" to the west. We'll wait it out and hope for Tuesday riding
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    Rode 20 miles in Dupont today. Lots of mud on some trails and others in good shape. From Lake Imaging, all gravel roads are good. Airstrip trail is pretty good. Some muddy areas on Mine Mtn. and Reasonover as well. A fair amount of deep mud spots on Turkey Knob. Just plow on through. Briery Fork and Grassy Creek Tr. both in pretty good shape, just a few mud holes. Ridgeline seems to stay well drained and was a great end to a BIG loop. After significant rain the last few days most all of the trails, have some deep mud areas you just have to got through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNCGoater View Post
    Rode 20 miles in Dupont today. Lots of mud on some trails and others in good shape. From Lake Imaging, all gravel roads are good. Airstrip trail is pretty good. Some muddy areas on Mine Mtn. and Reasonover as well. A fair amount of deep mud spots on Turkey Knob. Just plow on through. Briery Fork and Grassy Creek Tr. both in pretty good shape, just a few mud holes. Ridgeline seems to stay well drained and was a great end to a BIG loop. After significant rain the last few days most all of the trails, have some deep mud areas you just have to got through.
    Or stay off of. Plenty of trails that stay happy when wet. Reasonover and the surrounding trails are not some of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Or stay off of. Plenty of trails that stay happy when wet. Reasonover and the surrounding trails are not some of them.
    I'm confused. This IS a trail conditions thread to report first hand observations of the conditions, no?

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    It's a thread to help keep people on the right trails in the right conditions. It's for good advice, not sharing your trail destruction techniques. Most locals shouls know where to ride when it's wet. Telling visitors to ride a trail like Reasonover, which consists of red clay in many areas, after heavy rain is irresponsible. Does this clarify your confusion?

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    I was there Saturday and the only wet sections were Turkey Knob and Sandy Trail from the ones I rode. Reasonover had a few damp sections but not issues with mud holes are standing water. As mentioned before though, Turkey Knob is almost always wet in certain spots. According to the rain gauge at Guion Farm in the prior 24 hours (Friday 9am) approx .4 inches of rain had fallen. The rain gauge on the other end of the forest showed .18 inches of rain. That doesn't fall into my "heavy rain" category and I like to follow the "rule" of giving a 24 hour rest per 1 inch of rainfall.

    The following trails were good to go: Lake Imaging, Hilltop, Mine Mtn, Grassy Creek, Tarklin, the section of Reasonover from parking lot to Turkey Knob, and Ridgeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    It's a thread to help keep people on the right trails in the right conditions. It's for good advice, not sharing your trail destruction techniques. Most locals shouls know where to ride when it's wet. Telling visitors to ride a trail like Reasonover, which consists of red clay in many areas, after heavy rain is irresponsible. Does this clarify your confusion?
    If what you are describing as my "trail destruction techniques" is the sentence where I referenced the mud and to "just plow on through", there are multiple muddy spots all over Dupont in various flat spots. These places stay muddy most of the time. The point is, when you come to one, I suggest just go on through rather than trying to ride around which widens the mud spot.

    I had never ridden those trails, I was following more experienced riders. Never been on Reasonover, and only rode it for the short distance of branching off on Turkey Knob.
    But the point is, I wasn't telling visitors where to ride or not ride, nor locals. Never mentioned either one, that's something you dreamed in your mind. I simply posted information on trail conditions so thus, anyone reading could avoid those spots if they so wish.

    Of course, there were like 50 cars in the parking lot when we got back, all with bike racks. Multiply that with all the other parking areas and this translates to hundreds of bikers out in Dupont on the same day as my report.

    Perhaps you could run around to each and tell them how it is they should use your trails, and where they can and can't ride.

    Please note Solid Orange's report. He was there on the same day, and rode some of the same areas. We gave a similar report, only he didn't use the term "just plow on through" referring to the boggy areas which caused you to get upset and spill your cookies and milk.

    I wasn't confused, I said that to bait you. It was obvious what you were by your previous snarkey comment. It worked.

    Self-righteous jackasses...
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    Any speculation on how Dupont will be tomorrow (Sat 10/4)? I know some rain moved through the area today but not sure how much and what the ground is like up there right now. Thanks!

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    Hope this isn't too late.
    We had some rain on Friday but nothing significant. Just a few quick downpours. Most rain moved out of the area by lunchtime. Cooler temps and lower humidity moved in overnight, along with some wind. That combined with the fact its been pretty dry the past week, I'd say the trails will be mostly dry and youre good to go.
    Gonna be a great day to ride with the fall temps.

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    Update. Rode almost 19 miles, two flats, three crashes, one face plant, 4 creek crossings...that between 3 of us. Great ride.

    Apparently Dupont got more rain Friday than Hendersonville. Most trails we rode were fine. Fair amount of mud spots on upper Turkey Knob.
    Other than that, most trails were wet but fine.

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    While not exactly a 'trail condition', Saturday and Sunday, October 18 & 19, are the dates for the Friends of DuPont Forest "Tour de Falls". This twice-a-year FODF fundraiser helps fund trail projects, so it's good for us in the long run, but it can be crazy around Triple Falls, High Falls, and Bridal Veil Falls both days. Buses will be carrying visitors between falls locations and the Lake Julia ranger's office locations, so mountain bikers would be well advised to avoid the three falls mentioned above, avoid Buck Forest Road between the Visitor's Center and the covered bridge, and avoid Conservation between the covered bridge and Bridal Veil Falls. And it's ALWAYS a good idea to avoid the High Falls and Hooker Falls parking lots!!

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    Any updates this week? Planning a trip down there next weekend and thought I'd see if there were any closings, etc. Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sperho View Post
    Any updates this week? Planning a trip down there next weekend and thought I'd see if there were any closings, etc. Thanks...
    Right now they are perfect but there is some rain coming but I am sure they will still be fine next week. DuPont rarely closes any trails. I only know of two trails there that have been closed in the last 2 years (other than for rerouting). Even when they did close, there was still tons more to ride out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Right now they are perfect but there is some rain coming but I am sure they will still be fine next week. DuPont rarely closes any trails. I only know of two trails there that have been closed in the last 2 years (other than for rerouting). Even when they did close, there was still tons more to ride out there.
    Thanks... Yeah, I'm monitoring the weather forecast and despite the fact that rain is nearly hopeless to predict in these mountains (I'm in East TN), it looks like it may get a bit wet, but nothing too serious. We won't come down if the trails are sogged out...would rather not destroy them...

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    They aren't going to get sogged out.
    The trails shed water well here and I don't think we will be getting any real freeze/thaws between now and then. As long as the weather is fine that day(s) you will be fine.
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    Thanks kj. This will be my first time down there and I'm really lookin forward to it... Need to do some route planning now...

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    How many days will you be riding there and how many miles are you wanting to ride each day? What type of trails do you like and what is your skill level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    How many days will you be riding there and how many miles are you wanting to ride each day? What type of trails do you like and what is your skill level?
    We'll be there from Friday from about noon until Sunday afternoon and will be staying at cabins bordering the forest's north side. No goals for miles, just ride until we feel like not riding, but riding is the reason we are heading down, so it isn't like we only have time to squeeze in a ride or something...

    I'm middle of the road as far as skills+fitness goes as determined by my racing experience - I've only raced a few times, last year, and I was mid-pack in cat 3 (of course there are cat 2 sandbaggers who raced cat 3 who were faster than me, but I'm not bitter...ha....). I am mature enough to know when to just get off the bike and enjoy the hike around something that will likely kill me without studying it first a little. I like single track with a good mix of everything and I don't hate climbing. I can't say that I'm a fan of slippery, highly off-camber, root-fests, though. I mostly ride XC-style trails around here (Tri-Cities area in TN: Warrior's Path, Bays Mountain, Buffalo Mountain, etc.) so I'm used to some climbing, rocks, etc., but nothing that is too crazy. I'm not a downhiller: no big-air-full-face-helmet-neck-brace-required kind of trails for me.

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    None of that stuff you don't want at DuPont.
    There are jumps and a few drops but nothing you can't ride around, roll over or easily walk around. Not sure yet, but I may be taking another forum member around on Saturday the 22 so if interested in joining let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    None of that stuff you don't want at DuPont.
    There are jumps and a few drops but nothing you can't ride around, roll over or easily walk around. Not sure yet, but I may be taking another forum member around on Saturday the 22 so if interested in joining let me know.
    Thanks... Interested in possibly meeting on the 22nd... I'll PM you next week for a what's what when...

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    Turkey Knob No Longer a Mud Hole...

    The old logging road segment of Turkey Knob Trail on DSRF's south side had 20 foot wide mud holes in many places this past summer. Heard recently that Forest staff did drainage work on the trail, and when my son and I rode the trail yesterday we were pleased to find that NO parts of the old road are holding water. Further, the drains that were installed should hold up for quite a while, and they took care of EVERY problem area. The new segment of Turkey Knob (Pinnacle Mtn Rd to Briery Fork Trail) is in great shape--put Turkey Knob back on your 'must ride' list.

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    Turkey Knob is a great trail. Poplar Hill Loop is a nice side addition. Do it clockwise.

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    Just found a new DSRF map on Avenza PDF Maps... The Avenza app is free (PDF Maps Mobile App). The app will use the GPS feature of your phone or tablet to track you on maps you've downloaded. You can set up the app to record your ride, and it reports distance and time. Tracks can be exported. I've only played with the app on Android devices, but it's available for the iPhone, too. When you have the app installed on your mobile device, click on the shopping cart to look at maps available for your area of interest...

    I wanted to include a link to the map I just downloaded, but you have to have an Avenza account to find them. The map was just uploaded to the Avenza Map Store a couple days ago (December 4th) and was developed by Friends of DuPont Forest, so it's the latest available for trails there, and all proceeds from map sales go back into DSRF projects... The fastest way to search for the new map is to simply search for "FODF" (Friends of DuPont Forest).

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    More info on the new DSRF digital map here: Get Maps | Avenza PDF Maps

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    Awesome find TrailZen... Downloaded - very nice.... Thanks for sharing.

    edit: btw, I had a BLAST when I visited DSF several weeks ago. Rode about 34 miles in a day and a half. My legs were toast... Got to enjoy a nice little hike on the rainy Sunday morning to Triple Falls and High Falls as well. I'll definitely be making at least an annual visit down there...

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    Anyone have an update for today (3/15)? I know we got a lot of rain friday and saturday but was hoping to make a trip up to DSF today.

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    Looks like a fair bit of rain predicted this week... I have a cabin reserved in the Dupont area and given that mountain weather is impossible to accurately predict, I'm planning on coming. If it does rain a lot, which trails are going to shed water the best down in the DSF/Pisgah area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sperho View Post
    Looks like a fair bit of rain predicted this week... I have a cabin reserved in the Dupont area and given that mountain weather is impossible to accurately predict, I'm planning on coming. If it does rain a lot, which trails are going to shed water the best down in the DSF/Pisgah area?
    It has been my experience that following wet weather in DSF, the trails in the north end seem to shed water the best, Ridgeline, Hickory Mtn Loop, Hooker creek, Jim Branch Isaac Heath, Lake Imaging Road, etc. I've ridden Ridgeline following a period of wet weather and it's pretty amazing how dry it seems to stay. The other end of the park, the south side, Airstrip, Mine Mtn, Reasonover,Turkey Knob, etc. seems to retain water and have more muddy areas.
    Last month I road Hickory Mtn/Ridgeline then headed to Mine Mtn. The former was pretty dry, the latter had mud that was thick gumbo gumming up tires and grinding brakes, both on the same day.

    Don't know why that is. Could be loamier soil on north and more clay-like on south.

    Anyway, can't help with Pisgah but hope this is helpful for Dupont.

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    Pretty steady rain today. I think the weather will be much nicer tomorrow. Any suggestions for trails right now after a day of soaking rain? We are in Asheville and can ride wherever but we are leaning towards Big Rock/Cedar Rock currently.
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    Honestly, radar showed most of the rain staying away from Dupont today. You may get sand all over everything, but should be good tomorrow.

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    Any updates to conditions? For Sunday .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by azcanc View Post
    Any updates to conditions? For Sunday .......
    We had 3/4 day with no rain yesterday, but raining again this AM (Sat.) and supposed to rain most of the day. Sunday would not be a good day to be on trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    We had 3/4 day with no rain yesterday, but raining again this AM (Sat.) and supposed to rain most of the day. Sunday would not be a good day to be on trails.
    Darn. Was hoping to get out from the Queen City for a ride in the hills. I thought DuPont might fair better than Pisgah, but I know its been a lot of rain lately and no dry days.

    But driving so far for sub-par messy conditions isn't worth it, especially if trail damage is a potential. Thanks.
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    We did not get as much was predicted (1-2") but we did have some heavy rain this AM. Sunday might be ok, but sub par is likely the current situation.

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    5" of rain possible Wed-Thursday.

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    Should you do more trail work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    5" of rain possible Wed-Thursday.

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    Great, was wanting to get in a Pisgah trip this weekend.

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    There might be a big freeze thaw cycle in Pisgah and DRSF this weekend to boot.

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    Based on recent rain fall and freezing temps it's safe to assume that it will be a mess this weekend? ☹️

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    I rode there today.....it was in really good shape...just a spot here or there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick_A View Post
    I rode there today.....it was in really good shape...just a spot here or there
    Awesome news thank you hope you had a great ride

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    Any update, we just got into town to visit family.. thinking of riding reasonover back to lake julia and up to airstrip but figured that creek would be way over full?! any ideas for an intermediate scenic route for the wife and friends?

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    I would recommend staying off the bike, trails will be super soft due to all the rain we have had. Ride the gravel roads and visit waterfalls, they will be raging.

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    yeah don't want to trash the trails. i was afraid of that... any decent loops with good views? i know fish hatchery has one in pisgah i used to ride and climb for fun..

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumbfire01 View Post
    yeah don't want to trash the trails. i was afraid of that... any decent loops with good views? i know fish hatchery has one in pisgah i used to ride and climb for fun..
    We hiked in DuPont today and indeed very wet and soft. Saw one cyclcross biker on Airstrip and indeed he was leaving tire imprints. Gravel roads into waterfalls were good, saw a number of folks doing that and waterfalls were humming.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    We hiked in DuPont today and indeed very wet and soft. Saw one cyclcross biker on Airstrip and indeed he was leaving tire imprints. Gravel roads into waterfalls were good, saw a number of folks doing that and waterfalls were humming.....
    Cycle-crossing in the mud? What was he thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshevilleMtBiker View Post
    Cycle-crossing in the mud? What was he thinking?
    He was thinking his immediate access to the trail is more important than the future access of thousands of mountain bikers.

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    we rode the gravel loop from fawn lake to lake julia a couple times and it was obvious stuff was pretty saturated... saw several other guys riding but they were on ST trails

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    Saw horses on trail while I was on the gravel roads. Gave me a wtf moment. Stuff was wet for sure!

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    I've been out of town for the last week. Has anyone been out to Dupont lately or have an idea if it's in ok condition to ride?

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    The Lake Imaging side is in decent shape. There is a lot of water in the usual places, like at the intersection of Hooker Falls and Ridgeline, but rideable. I haven't ridden Cedar or Reasonover sections, but I can't imagine they should be ridden at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikecking View Post
    I've been out of town for the last week. Has anyone been out to Dupont lately or have an idea if it's in ok condition to ride?
    Considering the rain, I wouldn't say many have been riding anywhere.


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    Today, Jim Branch, Isaac Heath, Locust & Hilltop were all ok. Ridgeline, not so much. I plan to stay off of Ridgeline for a while. Freeze/thaw has turned the trail into a mess (1/2 way down) & it is showing signs of we should not be on the trail.

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    Ridgeline used to be my go-to wet weather/winter trail. Since the redesign, it has become another Reasonover. I really like the new design and recognize that it was necessary, but it really sucks that it lost its wet weather/winter rideability.

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    Requires pretty much sticking to the CMS side of things.

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