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    Considering a Move to Asheville

    My wife and I are considering a move to Asheville from Dallas. One big motivation for us is that it seems like the riding is phenomenal. Is that perception accurate, or have the tales of heavenly singletrack in Pisgah and Dupont been exaggerated? I would love to be able to ride a place like Bent Creek during the week and head down to Brevard on the weekends.

    Also, we're coming to visit in April. We both ride XC hardtails (mine is a 29er, hers a 26er). Will those bikes suffice, or are full suspensions the bikes de rigueur?

    Finally, I run a 1x9. Is that crazy talk in Pisgah?
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    Seems like this question gets floated alot around here... "should I move to Asheville?" Asheville is a great place to live... If you can swing a job, housing, taxes, etc. Its a great place to live but not the easiest place to get into to. Took me a year to find a job after buying a house here. Lots of folks I know work two jobs to make it work. There are other towns in the Southern Appalachians that are pretty nice too and may be easier to live in. Greenville, SC, Knoxville, TN, etc... Dont count those out.

    The riding is awesome and is arguably the best in the southeast. Hardtails are fine. I ride a Yelli Screamy 90% of the time and the wife rides a 26" giant hardtail and shreds. 1x9 is fine if you have the legs. We have long sustained gravel climbs in the neighborhood of 5 miles +/- and 1000' of elevation gain on the harder end. Plenty of folks ride single speeds here no problem.
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    I enjoy living in Asheville. Moved here 11 years ago. What I don't like is the ugly old 150K houses. Houses are expensive here. I'll end up building mine soon to save money.

    Riding is great, although I haven't been to all the big places yet. Hardtails are fine. Many ride hardtails. Don't like sitting in traffic everyday for 2 hours after work? No such thing in Asheville.

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    Agree with the other posts here but would add that the ideal bike for the Asheville area varies by trail, at least in my opinion. A hardtail is fine, perhaps even preferable, for most of Dupont, Bent Creek, Bracken, and the blue/green Pisgah Trails. But if you're doing a long ride up to Farlow and back you'll probably want a fully.

    I've ridden a good bit in the central TX (mostly Austin) area and think you'll really like riding in Asheville. There's a hell of a lot less rock in NC and no thorns/cacti to worry about.

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    Not trying to hijack your thread, but hope to contribute to it as well. My wife and I are in the same position as you are. What fields of employment would you be searching for?

    I have a pretty solid job lead there that would ease the burden on us. Getting flown in for an interview next week. She is an RN, how difficult is it to get a position within Mission Hospital?

    We visited the area once about a year and a half ago and had a great time on our Knolly endorphins. I think we rode Bennett gap in which they were quite useful for.

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    Yes - the riding is awesome and extensive.

    What type of bike? I have a F.S. 1x9, a 1x10 hardtail 29er, and a single speed 29er and have fun on all three, so what to ride is more personal preference than dictated by the area. Just come try it out and rent a few different bikes and see what your riding style requires!

    Asheville is a nice city, but like another poster indicated, don't discount other areas. I live in Greenville SC and absolutely love it. Awesome downtown and lots to do locally. I can be riding Dupont in an hour and the entrance to Pisgah is only another 10 minute drive, so the location is great (and I don't have to deal with the Asheville traffic!)
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    Banjopickin: I've heard the job market there is rough. My wife is an RN and I'm a real estate investor, so she would be the only one needing to land a job.

    Asheville MTBiker: Are you saying everyone sits in traffic in Asheville, or no one sits in traffic?

    jnroyal: Awesome! With the wife in tow we'll probably be at Bent Creek and the Pisgah Blue/Greens. Her new hardtail is almost done, so I know she'd be disappointed if she couldn't ride it. Rocks in Texas go a long way in determining how technical a trail is. Dallas isn't as rocky as Austin, but I've still had a massive laceration in the middle of the tread on my tire here so big (inch and a half) that Stan's didn't stand a chance....all from a rock. Those stories are common here.

    LaCCarp: My wife is also an RN. She would be hoping to get a position at Mission Children's since she works at a children's hospital now. I would also be interested in the answer to your questions, so you're definitely not hijacking. I'm a real estate investor (flips and rentals), so I won't be doing a traditional job search.

    Ride-beer: How bad is Asheville traffic? Do you have local trails in Greenville that are good for weekday riding?
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    The traffic in Asheville is a non issue. It's worse than it used to be, but it's still not bad. My wife is also an RN. Mission is the largest employer in the county. I live in town and can be in BC in 10-15 minutes. Can't beat the convienience.

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    Mission is a tough place to get a job. I have a handful of friends who work there, and more than a few trying to get jobs there. Problem is that they had somewhere around a $50mil budget deficit last year and are trying to figure out how to rectify that, mostly by not replacing vacant positions

    My one friend was an IV specialist in Texas and moved here 4 months ago and has been trying to get in with Mission since then. If your wife is looking for something in Labor-Delivery or Mother-Baby...she will likely be waiting for years. It's just a tough place to get in as soooo many people are looking there to, because there are no other options in the area. I know you said Children's, but those two examples show the employment condition.

    I'm from the Greenville area and would live there if it wasn't so close to family . Asheville is pretty bohemian/casual in it's attitude, greenville is much more middle class, straight laced america. There are more middle-class jobs (manufacturing/technology/etc.) in G-vegas than Asheville by far; Asheville is becoming a tourist based economy, which kinda stinks.

    Real estate development is pretty decent right now, as it is one of the largest retirement areas in the East Coast, so lots of new people moving to town. Don't know if you are into commercial or residential, but commercial is much more difficult around here than residential as there are fewer commercial structures and their values don't typically justify the renovation costs.

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    Ride-beer: How bad is Asheville traffic? Do you have local trails in Greenville that are good for weekday riding?[/QUOTE]

    Plenty of bad traffic in Greenville if you have to use the 85 corridor - however if you live north of Downtown and hop up to NC (Dupont/Pisgah) via 25 you won't ever see the traffic from either city. Paris Mountain is a great weekday ride spot close to town, Conestee Nature Park has some milder trails, and there are even some trails downtown along with the Swamp Rabbit (paved rails to trails project that's about 20 miles long now).
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    If you've got the start-up cash and can deal with a very, very, very competitive market, I'd think doing "flips and rentals" would work out great here. Similar houses in my neighborhood rent for 50% more than I pay for my mortgage.

    1x10 with no pie plate gear is what I run and it's ideal IMO. There's a few climbs I could clear with a granny that I can't anymore, but the quiet drivetrain that doesn't drop chains on the many amazing descents is a fantastic trade-off. I've ridden all over the North American continent and for year-round riding, very few places are equal to, let alone better than, Western North Carolina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Asheville MTBiker: Are you saying everyone sits in traffic in Asheville, or no one sits in traffic?
    My bad for the confusing line.

    No traffic in Asheville. Carss keep on moving at good speed around 5-6 PM. It's not as good as 10 years ago when you were the king of the highway, but still better than big cities.

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    There are over 1/2 dozen hospitals within 1/2 hour of Asheville. Don't just look at Mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bfluid View Post
    There are over 1/2 dozen hospitals within 1/2 hour of Asheville. Don't just look at Mission.
    All of our regional hospitals except Park Ridge, Pardee, and MedWest Haywood are directly related to the Mission conglomerate (thinking of Transylvania Regional,CarePartners, McDowell, Blue Ridge/ Spruce Pine, and Rutherford Regional).

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    The comments on the difficulty of getting a job at Mission are helpful. We almost certainly wouldn't move until she had a job. She has several years of experience at one of the top children's hospitals in Texas, but that may not mean a whole lot if competition for those jobs is that fierce.

    We're coming out in April to check things out first hand, and we're really looking forward to it.
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    Idk,, mission seems to always have a couple applications open for RNs.

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    Here's a good read before anyone decides to work for Mission Hospital.

    Hospital To Nurses: Your Injuries Are Not Our Problem : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by park baker View Post
    Here's a good read before anyone decides to work for Mission Hospital.

    Hospital To Nurses: Your Injuries Are Not Our Problem : NPR
    Although this is a horrible situation, this person did not manage her injury properly from the get go. This isn't the forum to debate this but she should not have gone home, taken pain killers and returned to work. My viewpoint on this is direct experience working in EHS for a large corporation where we have over 100 OSHA recordable injuries a year.

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    That is an interesting read. It's always difficult to know to what extent cases like that represent a company's culture. For example, my wife works in the NICU, so it's unlikely that she would get a back injury from lifting a heavy patient like this nurse did. However, working for an employer that generally doesn't value its employees would obviously be a bad thing, and quite a shock since her current employer is A+ in this regard.
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    I'm not sure how she should have handled her injury...yeah, she should have immediately filed with her supervisors what happened, but we also don't know all the details.

    For example, are her supervisors health care providers, who spent many years in the same position? Or are they HR people who will replace her with someone younger, quickly? Is she under the thumb so to speak? Are her supervisors men? The article, and comments below suggest that their is gender inequality. That's safe to assume across all professions.

    I personally know several younger, fit women with degrees in nursing who would jump at the chance to work at Mission. Those are just the ones in Asheville, let alone the many more who would like to relocate here for the lifestyle. We can't know if there is any hint that she could be replaced quickly, or if that had ever been communicated to her.

    There's also a cultural barrier here as well. People from the mountains, historically, handled their business themselves, without seeking assistance from other people. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, or that that thought process makes the most sense. But if you learned a certain way, it's hard to move past that.

    Also, we don't know her financial situation. Many people go to work injured, I have done so in the past, because I didn't have a choice. I went to work, or I didn't eat well that month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by park baker View Post
    I'm not sure how she should have handled her injury...yeah, she should have immediately filed with her supervisors what happened, but we also don't know all the details.

    For example, are her supervisors health care providers, who spent many years in the same position? Or are they HR people who will replace her with someone younger, quickly? Is she under the thumb so to speak? Are her supervisors men? The article, and comments below suggest that their is gender inequality. That's safe to assume across all professions.

    I personally know several younger, fit women with degrees in nursing who would jump at the chance to work at Mission. Those are just the ones in Asheville, let alone the many more who would like to relocate here for the lifestyle. We can't know if there is any hint that she could be replaced quickly, or if that had ever been communicated to her.

    There's also a cultural barrier here as well. People from the mountains, historically, handled their business themselves, without seeking assistance from other people. I'm not saying that's the way it should be, or that that thought process makes the most sense. But if you learned a certain way, it's hard to move past that.

    Also, we don't know her financial situation. Many people go to work injured, I have done so in the past, because I didn't have a choice. I went to work, or I didn't eat well that month.
    It sucks that many companies see people more as expenses than assets.

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    If you are concerned about finding a job but you really want to move to Nc check out Charlotte. Lots of jobs, Lots of nice homes, and lots of decent local trails. I can be in Pisgah, Dupont, Warrior Creek and several other locations within a few hours and we also have Uwharrie to the east and you can be at Myrtle beach or Carolina beach in a few hours too. I just moved here from Cali and I love it.
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    I just helped some clients with a move from Dallas and they are sooooo glad they did. If you're interested in calling Asheville home and would like to get some information on neighborhoods that allow provide trail access feel free to touch base. The other comments in the thread regarding Asheville and the job market here are pretty accurate. Your question about bike choice is one for you to make personally after riding the trails. The bike you bring to Asheville may not be the type of bike you want to ride after being here for a while. I loathed full suspension bikes before moving to Asheville 8 years ago and now the most xc bike I have in the quiver is an over forked Stumpjumper evo. Bike choice, lifestyle choice, Asheville is welcoming to all no matter what it is. Come on up and check it out and see if it's a good fit. justinasheville.com will give you a taste of the good life we live here. Let me know if I can help. Justin Mitchell
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    I need the MTBR push/pull. I got a job offer in Asheville. Better company but huge pay cut. Coming from Saratoga Springs, NY. Wife is an RN. We want to live with a little peace and quiet for ourselves but with still good access to good eats/entertainment. My main driving force in life is, you guessed it, mountain biking and happiness.

    Give me your gut reaction Yay or nay!!

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    Never sure how much stock to put in "best of..." lists, but Asheville's made a few lately...

    Asheville Accolades and Media Praise | Asheville, NC's Official Tourism Web Site

    The outdoor recreation is beyond awesome.

    There are several incredible new developments going on that will greatly increase both culture and outdoor recreation opportunities...

    so...YAY!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Brown View Post
    There are several incredible new developments going on that will greatly increase both culture and outdoor recreation opportunities...
    Do tell!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Do tell!
    For me, its all about the River Arts District. Things either happening for sure or likely to happen:

    1. New Belgium (duh!)
    2. New river outfitter with climbing wall, food, beverages.
    3. New indoor/outdoor beverage venue with food truck lot.
    4. New high-end amazing restaurant with event venue
    5. New event venue with outdoor seating for shows,350-400.
    6. Massive greenway expansion.

    Less likely, but possible- whitewater park. Greenway connection to city trail system.


    I live less than 10 minutes by bike from most of this...it's pretty exciting to me, although the traffic might get a little scary...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    I need the MTBR push/pull. I got a job offer in Asheville. Better company but huge pay cut. Coming from Saratoga Springs, NY. Wife is an RN. We want to live with a little peace and quiet for ourselves but with still good access to good eats/entertainment. My main driving force in life is, you guessed it, mountain biking and happiness.

    Give me your gut reaction Yay or nay!!
    Well the mtb/road scene is tough to beat and the food and drink prospects are awesome and becoming awesomer everyday. Seriously, everyday. Large hospital here too. I'll give it a yay.

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    Well I accepted the job in Asheville. I will be moving towards the beginning of May with my wife and dog. Can't wait!!!

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    I moved to AVL from Los Angeles 5 years so when people complain about traffic I am like you have no idea but the 26 seems be often jammed and I am not sure if widen it as they do right now really helps in the long term.

    AVL has very little open rentals, just read it is around 1% were 5% is what is considered normal.

    Prices for rental and buying creeped up again and there is a lot of commercial investments and even in the surrounding areas it started to get pricey.

    I live in Candler which I like since it is more rural but close enough to down town AVL.

    Besides all that, I can not see me moving away from here any time soon, riding is awesome, breweries as many as you like, great music scene and a lot of cool people.

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    Welcome to the neighborhood LaXCarp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    Well I accepted the job in Asheville. I will be moving towards the beginning of May with my wife and dog. Can't wait!!!
    Congrats! Maybe we'll meet on the trails some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    I moved to AVL from Los Angeles 5 years so when people complain about traffic I am like you have no idea but the 26 seems be often jammed and I am not sure if widen it as they do right now really helps in the long term.

    AVL has very little open rentals, just read it is around 1% were 5% is what is considered normal.

    Prices for rental and buying creeped up again and there is a lot of commercial investments and even in the surrounding areas it started to get pricey.

    I live in Candler which I like since it is more rural but close enough to down town AVL.

    Besides all that, I can not see me moving away from here any time soon, riding is awesome, breweries as many as you like, great music scene and a lot of cool people.

    Don't blow up the Enka/Candler/SW AVL spot too soon!

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    East AVL sucks... Nothing good over here. Nothing.



    Nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banjopickin View Post
    East AVL sucks... Nothing good over here. Nothing.



    Nothing.
    What about the Highland Brewery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    What about the Highland Brewery?
    That's not east Asheville. That would be Oakley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    That's not east Asheville. That would be Oakley.
    I consider myself being mislead by google maps, I am calling my laywers as we speak.

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    It's ok, most tourists have trouble with this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    It's ok, most tourists have trouble with this stuff.
    Sad thing is after a few years living here I think I lost my tourist status and I should know but I will try to better myself.

    I did a search and it shows Oakley is a little south west of the brewery.
    What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Sad thing is after a few years living here I think I lost my tourist status and I should know but I will try to better myself.

    I did a search and it shows Oakley is a little south west of the brewery.
    What am I missing?
    Technically, I reckon Oakley is SW of Highlands. Nonetheless, I live in Oakley and I can walk to Highland.

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    If moving to town, I would recommend W. Asheville. It's hip, it's now, it's the place to be. Plus the real estate is great! There are still plenty of lean to's, tool sheds, and abandoned dog houses going for $350k to $450k. Some even have working electricity and running water (sometimes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banjopickin View Post
    Funny. I live in E. AVL and can walk to highlands in 12 minutes... Too bad I don't care for any of their beers.

    If moving to town, I would recommend W. Asheville. It's hip, it's now, it's the place to be. Plus the real estate is great! There are still plenty of lean to's, tool sheds, and abandoned dog houses going for $350k to $450k. Some even have working electricity and running water (sometimes).
    My dog has always wanted a place to keep his tools! But seriously, looking online, West Asheville is quite pricey. It seems that you can get a pretty decent place in some of the southern suburbs for $250-300k. In West Asheville, you're getting a 1200 sq. ft. fixer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Technically, I reckon Oakley is SW of Highlands. Nonetheless, I live in Oakley and I can walk to Highland.
    Not trying to be a stickler but this now just sparked my interest, the way I understand it Oakley is part of AVL and therefore is in east AVL, right?
    Was Oakley victim of a hostile annexation by AVL or something so the people of Oakley do not want to be associated with AVL?

    Besides, being able to walk to a brewery would be not very good for my health.

    Wittgenstein's Ghost, I think I sense some sarcasm in Banjopickin posts.

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    Woodfin is where it is at...real estate wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Not trying to be a stickler but this now just sparked my interest, the way I understand it Oakley is part of AVL and therefore is in east AVL, right?
    Was Oakley victim of a hostile annexation by AVL or something so the people of Oakley do not want to be associated with AVL?

    Besides, being able to walk to a brewery would be not very good for my health.

    Wittgenstein's Ghost, I think I sense some sarcasm in Banjopickin posts.
    I'm ok with stickling. Oakley is part of Asheville. Whether it's east Asheville or not depends on who you ask. I work for the water dept. and it is currently in the East district. But it used to be in the south district, with Biltmore. It sits in no mans land, between south and east. It's a great neighborhood, regardless of where it is. And truthfully, I don't care for Highlands beer either, but it's a great venue. We go there on occasion and it's always a good time. Super family friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6_Myles View Post
    Woodfin is where it is at...real estate wise.
    Dropping wisdom here...closer to downtown than most of the so-called city, 1/2 the taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Wittgenstein's Ghost, I think I sense some sarcasm in Banjopickin posts.
    Yes, I was also being sarcastic. My dog doesn't actually have tools.
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    Dropping wisdom here...closer to downtown than most of the so-called city, 1/2 the taxes.
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    Woodfin is where it is at...real estate wise.
    See, this is why I post stuff like this here. Insider knowledge! What is Woodfin like? Is it nice, or is it just cheaper? Do you think it will be a place of future growth?

    It's on the other side of Asheville from Bent Creek and Brevard....is there good riding closer to Woodfin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    See, this is why I post stuff like this here. Insider knowledge! What is Woodfin like? Is it nice, or is it just cheaper? Do you think it will be a place of future growth?

    It's on the other side of Asheville from Bent Creek and Brevard....is there good riding closer to Woodfin?
    It's cheap. Nice? Not so much. My wife and I own a rental house and some property there. Woodfin is a bit odd and very slow to change. But it will change. It has to. Alexander park is closeish, but it's not much to speak of. I would live there if I had to. That's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    Yes, I was also being sarcastic. My dog doesn't actually have tools.
    My dog has a snap on box filled with park tool tools but that could be because it is an imaginary dog which also has a better bike than me and is faster than me but almost everybody is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    It's cheap. Nice? Not so much. My wife and I own a rental house and some property there. Woodfin is a bit odd and very slow to change. But it will change. It has to. Alexander park is closeish, but it's not much to speak of. I would live there if I had to. That's about it.
    It is a good place to look for investment property, though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    I'm ok with stickling. Oakley is part of Asheville. Whether it's east Asheville or not depends on who you ask. I work for the water dept. and it is currently in the East district. But it used to be in the south district, with Biltmore. It sits in no mans land, between south and east. It's a great neighborhood, regardless of where it is. And truthfully, I don't care for Highlands beer either, but it's a great venue. We go there on occasion and it's always a good time. Super family friendly.
    Cool, thanks for the info and I am also not the biggest fan of their beer but that is because I like Pilsener.
    They made one batch of Pilsener inspired by the german town I grew up in and I could not get my hands or more mouth on that one, kinda still grumpy about that.
    But I found it at the Urban Orchard later but I had to drink it out of plastic, yikes, cups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    It is a good place to look for investment property, though?
    I sure hope so, as that's why we bought there. But again, I personally would not want to live there. It is changing. Slowly. Very slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittgenstein's Ghost View Post
    It is a good place to look for investment property, though?
    I sure hope so, as that's why we bought there. But again, I personally would not want to live there. It is changing. Slowly. Very slowly. It is much cheaper than Asheville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Cool, thanks for the info and I am also not the biggest fan of their beer but that is because I like Pilsener.
    They made one batch of Pilsener inspired by the german town I grew up in and I could not get my hands or more mouth on that one, kinda still grumpy about that.
    But I found it at the Urban Orchard later but I had to drink it out of plastic, yikes, cups.
    I like pilsners as well. Never had Highlands take. I do enjoy the offerings from Oskar Blues and Sierra Nevada.

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    Richmond Hill trails are definitely the closest to Woodfin. About 5 miles of twist-y handbuilt singletrack plus some doubletrack roads. It's right next to the river and shaded, so does stay muddier for a day or two longer than some other trais. It's not a destination like BC or Pisgah, but fun for a quick hour.

    For real this time...an official, professionally done map is going to be posted and released soon. I've seen the draft and it is fantastic.

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    Banjopickin, do you play banjo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    I like pilsners as well. Never had Highlands take. I do enjoy the offerings from Oskar Blues and Sierra Nevada.
    Did not like the Oscar Blues in the beginning but it defiantly grew on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acer66 View Post
    Did not like the Oscar Blues in the beginning but it defiantly grew on me.
    It does that. I'm usually a pale ale kind of guy and initially I didn't care a whole lot for dales pale ale. Today is a much different story. It's one of my go to's.

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