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    Chimney Rock Park - Master Plan INPUT!!! HELPP!!!

    Please go to this planning session. The land acquired for the Chimney Rock State Park takes up a MASSIVE amount of the Hickory Nut Gorge and downhill and all mountain opportunities galore could be available.

    May 26th is the date!!!! Open all day for input.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.chimneyrockpark.com/events/new.php#N186

    And here is the email I just got. Pretty messed up that the public has a week to respond???

    State Master Plan Public Input Session
    You've asked us how you can give input regarding Chimney Rock State Park's Master Plan, and now the opportunity to provide feedback and ask questions is here. The North Carolina Division of Parks and Recreation has announced the public planning session for Chimney Rock State Park will be held Wednesday, May 26 at the Lake Lure Town Hall. Citizens are invited to visit the drop-in session anytime from 10am until 7pm.

    The input session, part of the master planning phase, will allow citizens to review proposed design alternatives for the state park, ask questions and offer comments to officials of the state parks system and Greenways Inc., a Durham-based environmental planning and landscape architecture firm responsible for completing the plan.

    A state park's master plan is essentially a blueprint for long-term development of facilities and recreation opportunities and a guide for protection of natural resources. It is meant to be an organic document, evolving as the park grows and as knowledge is gained about a park's natural resources and public use.

    The NC General Assembly authorized Chimney Rock State Park in 2005, and more than 4,300 acres in Rutherford, Polk, Henderson and Buncombe counties have been acquired in partnership with The Nature Conservancy, Carolina Mountain Land Conservancy, the Foothills Conservancy of North Carolina and others. In 2007, the former Chimney Rock tourist destination was added to the park and offers the principal current public access.

    The drop-in planning session will involve a workstation format allowing citizens to attend at any time during the day and spend as much time as necessary to review and discuss design alternatives. Proposed designs will also be available beginning May 26 at www.greenways.com/chimneyrock. Written comments may be submitted through June 23 either by using an online comment sheet or by mail to:

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    They charge $14 per adult per day to hike there. If the rate was more reasonable I'd be tempted to care what there plan is but as it is now I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    They charge $14 per adult per day to hike there. If the rate was more reasonable I'd be tempted to care what there plan is but as it is now I don't.

    Clay,

    The state park lands in Hickory Nut Gorge include much more than the commercial portion of Chimney Rock Park. Yes, the CRP portion will continue to charge an entrance fee but the others lands will be no fee with various trailheads.

    If we want any mountain biking in the gorge and on this new and developing state park, Butch is correct that attendance at the public meeting and comments letters are very important. In new parks like this (and others), mountain biking as an activity would have to be identified in the master plan. If it is not in the master plan, there is little to no chance to get mountain bike trails at a latter date. There are plans for a trail on the rim of the entire gorge, do we not want that to be open to bikes?

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    I'll pay $14 if they let me use that elevator as a shuttle.

    The terrain up there is awesome.
    It would be great to have a trail system there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    They charge $14 per adult per day to hike there. If the rate was more reasonable I'd be tempted to care what there plan is but as it is now I don't.
    This seams like a valid comment that should be submitted. Let them know that 14.00 for trail access is not acceptable.

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    Sweet. Spread the word folks. The more input the better.

    From reading what Woody said we are talking about an area much larger than just Chimney Rock itself (aka Dollyworld). Like he said the park itself will still have an entry fee with an annual pass option, I believe, but there will also be free trailheads.

    IF YOU CAN'T BE THERE, PLEASE WRITE A LETTER. Even if it is as simple as, hi my name is Bob, I am a resident of blank county and I want mountain biking opportunities within Chimney Rock State Park. Every person counts.

    Right now there is hardly any riding in close proximity that is legal to ride. There is a ton of private land and some questionably legit trails but overall mountain biking opportunities are very limited.

    Anyone remember the days of the Chimney Rock Hill Climb?

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    It looks like the firm that is responsible for the design of the Master Plan has done several bicycle transportation plans. At least they are familiar with 2 wheeled transportation and may be sympathetic to our plight.

    From the link above:
    The drop-in planning session will involve a workstation format allowing citizens to attend at any time during the day and spend as much time as necessary to review and discuss design alternatives. Proposed designs will also be available beginning May 26 at www.greenways.com/chimneyrock. Written comments may be submitted through June 23 either by using an online comment sheet or by mail to: General Management Plan Coordinator, NC Division of Parks and Recreation, 1615 MSC, Raleigh, NC 27699- 1615.

    Use the address above for comment letters if you can't be at the meeting. Sounds like they already have several proposed master plans that will be available at the meeting and online on the 26th. I doubt there is but I am hopeful there is some mention of a bicycle in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman
    Clay,

    The state park lands in Hickory Nut Gorge include much more than the commercial portion of Chimney Rock Park. Yes, the CRP portion will continue to charge an entrance fee but the others lands will be no fee with various trailheads.

    If we want any mountain biking in the gorge and on this new and developing state park, Butch is correct that attendance at the public meeting and comments letters are very important. In new parks like this (and others), mountain biking as an activity would have to be identified in the master plan. If it is not in the master plan, there is little to no chance to get mountain bike trails at a latter date. There are plans for a trail on the rim of the entire gorge, do we not want that to be open to bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman
    Clay,

    The state park lands in Hickory Nut Gorge include much more than the commercial portion of Chimney Rock Park. Yes, the CRP portion will continue to charge an entrance fee but the others lands will be no fee with various trailheads.
    Chimney Rock State Park is 4300 acres. The (formerly) commercial part is less than 1000 acres. Most of the other 3300 acres is on the north side of Hwy 64. This could be an awesome mountain biking destination.

    Let's all write letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Let's Ride
    Chimney Rock State Park is 4300 acres. The (formerly) commercial part is less than 1000 acres. Most of the other 3300 acres is on the north side of Hwy 64. This could be an awesome mountain biking destination.

    Let's all write letters.
    That is correct. Jeremy has been with me first hand to see the MASSIVE amount of land acquired for the State Park.

    Maida, Driftwood...I wish you would edit your posts about the $14.00 fee. That is to visit Chimney Rock, the "scenic attraction". If someone were to read the second post only, they'd move on and dismiss the info.

    CHIMNEY ROCK STATE PARK is a monstrous hunk of land on both sides of Hickory Nut Gorge encompassing an area far greater than that tiny little rock penis. 1500-1800 feet of elevation gain, thousands of acres and endless terrain variation. If Paris Mountain State Park can have a honey comb of very successful trails, there's no reason this one won't either.

    If you pull up a map on Google and look at the "triangle" of land from Little Pisgah Mtn. in Gerton to Shumont Mountain directly across the lake up to Worlds End then over to Sugarloaf Mountain, you can get a gist of how much land is in the park.

    It is broken up into pieces b/c of private land ownership through the lower elevations, but make no mistake. The riding there is epic. Ask Todd Branham. He has scouted that area solo countless times.
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    Anyway this info could go out in a blast email to Upstate SORBA and Pisgah Area SORBA? It's 15 minutes into SC from there.
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    Butch- I'm sending you a pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizutch
    Please go to this planning session. The land acquired for the Chimney Rock State Park takes up a MASSIVE amount of the Hickory Nut Gorge and downhill and all mountain opportunities galore could be available.

    May 26th is the date!!!! Open all day for input.

    Here is the link:
    http://www.chimneyrockpark.com/events/new.php#N186

    And here is the email I just got. Pretty messed up that the public has a week to respond???
    Where's the online comment sheet they mention??
    I read that on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtdrew
    It looks like the firm that is responsible for the design of the Master Plan has done several bicycle transportation plans. At least they are familiar with 2 wheeled transportation and may be sympathetic to our plight.
    The keyword in the above is "Transportation", mountain bike trails are "recreation".

    Greenways, Inc. has little to no experience with Master Plans that involve recreational trails. Their forte is multi-modal urban transportation. That being said, they do produce some really nice documents with extremely detailed maps covered by loads of GIS overlays.

    I'd recommend sending very very detailed comments of exactly what you want to see in trail access.
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    While the lead time is short for this meeting I hope folks local enough can show up and then statewide we can hit them with a strong online response.
    I will suggest that while Greenways Inc is not a specialist in natural surface singletrack they have definitely been an advocate locally. We have 2 trails in our area that would not exist if they had not taken the initiative and gotten TORC involved. Take a look at this and read the last paragraph: http://www.greenways.com/parks_recreation.html
    I would be happily surprised if there is another LA firm working for NC SP that gives IMBA and TORC a shout out on their site. We just need to give them the data during the comment period and see what SP does with it.
    Can we make sure this gets distributed through all the organizations?

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    I plan to attend the meeting and make my comments in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizutch
    That is correct. Jeremy has been with me first hand to see the MASSIVE amount of land acquired for the State Park.

    Maida, Driftwood...I wish you would edit your posts about the $14.00 fee. That is to visit Chimney Rock, the "scenic attraction". If someone were to read the second post only, they'd move on and dismiss the info.

    CHIMNEY ROCK STATE PARK is a monstrous hunk of land on both sides of Hickory Nut Gorge encompassing an area far greater than that tiny little rock penis. 1500-1800 feet of elevation gain, thousands of acres and endless terrain variation. If Paris Mountain State Park can have a honey comb of very successful trails, there's no reason this one won't either.

    If you pull up a map on Google and look at the "triangle" of land from Little Pisgah Mtn. in Gerton to Shumont Mountain directly across the lake up to Worlds End then over to Sugarloaf Mountain, you can get a gist of how much land is in the park.

    It is broken up into pieces b/c of private land ownership through the lower elevations, but make no mistake. The riding there is epic. Ask Todd Branham. He has scouted that area solo countless times.
    Sorry but I don't see any reason to edit my post. I think the $14 fee that they charge to go to the 'scenic attraction' or whatever is relevant. Chimney Rock and the $14 fee they charge to visit that part of the park is a big part of the "Master Plan" and personally I find it to be an outrageous fee for a public state park. If it was still private I'd say that they can charge what they want but I think public parks should only charge modest fees....

    I'm familiar with the tract of land and have spent a lot of time looking at maps and wondering about what is out there but haven't done any exploring there yet. Yeah, it could be a good mountain bike spot but if their management plan for rest of the park is anything like for the 'scenic attraction' I could care less about it. We already have plenty to ride here...

    I am sending a letter. It will stress that $14 is outrageous and they should lower that fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood

    I am sending a letter. It will stress that $14 is outrageous and they should lower that fee.
    Brother,

    I worked in L.L. from 1988-1995 and the park fee was $15.00 back then. Twenty years later, it's down to $14.00. It has an elevator and if any cheaper, you'd have lines into Lake Lure! Nobody goes up there more than once a year. It's a one time tourist attraction.

    Woody,

    What time are you going over there? I'd love to listen in if work will allow.
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    "Woody,

    What time are you going over there? I'd love to listen in if work will allow."[/QUOTE]

    With a broken leg, my schedule is not as full as normal. I am pretty open and would be happy to schedule around others if we want to meet up and go as a group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driftwood
    Sorry but I don't see any reason to edit my post. I think the $14 fee that they charge to go to the 'scenic attraction' or whatever is relevant. Chimney Rock and the $14 fee they charge to visit that part of the park is a big part of the "Master Plan" and personally I find it to be an outrageous fee for a public state park. If it was still private I'd say that they can charge what they want but I think public parks should only charge modest fees....

    I'm familiar with the tract of land and have spent a lot of time looking at maps and wondering about what is out there but haven't done any exploring there yet. Yeah, it could be a good mountain bike spot but if their management plan for rest of the park is anything like for the 'scenic attraction' I could care less about it. We already have plenty to ride here...

    I am sending a letter. It will stress that $14 is outrageous and they should lower that fee.
    While the $14 fee to the tourist attraction is outrageous, it's irrelevant to the matter of getting mountain bike trails on the other 3300 acres of park land.
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    I'm going to stop by in person also and give my comments to them.

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    Where's the online comment sheet they mention??
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    I think the online comment sheet will be available on their site on the 26th when the proposed plans are put up.

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    Yes, the online comment sheet is misleading like all other things gov't. It will probably be available between the hours of 11:59.0001 on the 25th until 12:01.0000004 on the 26th.
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    yo. all you imba/sorba dogooders: i'm planning on running down to the town hall meetin at lake lure tomorrow about 11ish. i'll throw my 2 cents in and try to persuade any older women who have decision making ability to put in countless mile of mountain bike trails. i will even dress respectably.
    if ya'll can make it around that time, call me tonight and we can gang up on em.
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    [QUOTE=Mountain Merlin]yo. all you imba/sorba dogooders: i'm planning on running down to the town hall meetin at lake lure tomorrow about 11ish. i'll throw my 2 cents in and try to persuade any older women who have decision making ability to put in countless mile of mountain bike trails. i will even dress respectably.
    if ya'll can make it around that time, call me tonight and we can gang up on em.
    don't call past 10:30 but i'm fair game at 7:30 am.




    I will be wearing my best knee brace and on my formal crutches.

    Seriously, what you wear is not as important as what you say in your comments (verbal, written at the open house, or later via letter or some other on-line format as provided).

    Talking Points:

    -Mountain biking is the number 2 trail user group in the US and currently NC State Parks does a poor job of accommodating this important user group.

    -Mountain bike trails were the most requested amenity addition in a recent NC State Parks wide survey.

    -Mountain biking is a responsible and low impact use of trails when appropriately designed and built. It appeals to a wide range of people including families, and gets citizens and visitors alike outside exercising and enjoying NC State Park lands.

    -Mountain bikers are good stewards of the land and are a great resource for land managers in many ways. We are active in trail building and maintenance efforts partnering with a wide range of land-managers and also serve as eyes and ears on the land which helps cut down on un-desired behaviors.

    -Every state park system surrounding NC has better mountain bike opportunities, it is time for NC to get with the program and not play second fiddle to other states.

    Please use a few of these talking points but develop them into your own words. You should also add some of your own thoughts to any letters or comments.


    We should not all go at the same time, better to stagger our visits. That way it does not look just a group of 3 mountain bikers who ride together all the time, but instead individuals coming from different parts of the area.

    The open house public impute meetings are informal and traffic waxes and wanes. Traffic will likely be most busy during lunch and after work, though it is unlikely that there will ever be too many people in the room at any given time. If you go in an “off” time, you will have plenty of opportunity to learn what is being recommended and offer feedback.

    Planning is an important part of any state park or other public asset. It is our one opportunity to affect the plans and management of this and other state parks. If you can not make the meeting, please take the time to write a letter. Each SORBA chapter and other mountain bike clubs in NC (such as the wonderful Tarheel Trailblazer club in Charlotte) should also write a letter on official club letterhead. Trust me, this public impute does make a difference. -Woody
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    I'm heading down there around 5:30-6pm to discuss it with them...and ride down there.

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    The plans are up onthis site. Option 3 has MTB on Shumont but not on the World's Edge/Sugarloaf side. Can't make heads or tails of where they are proposing the trails lie. I assume they'll have some good topos on site. See ya there.



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    There is mtn biking on option 2 as well. Option 3 adds more intensive parking areas and other expensive visitor area type things.

    #1 has no bike trails

    # 2 & 3 have the same amount of bike trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maida7
    There is mtn biking on option 2 as well. Option 3 adds more intensive parking areas and other expensive visitor area type things.

    #1 has no bike trails

    # 2 & 3 have the same amount of bike trails.

    All in all, there was good news that they already had mountain bike trails in 2 of the alternative plan. This planning group has worked with TORC on a few project down in the triangle area. We will want to push for mountain bike trails in Alt. 1 and I will comment on how to push for that tomorrow. My eyes and leg are tired now (too much standing on crutches at the open house). We need to keep the pressure on with lots of letters and online comments.

    Great to see Butch there at the meeting and I could tell from written comments that other mountain bikers had stopped in. Thanks to all who made it out.

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    I don't know the exact percentage but the all the plans have WAY more hiking trail then bike trail. Why? Jamming all the bike traffic into one trail seams like a bad management practice.

    I assume that the hiking trails (there are several) are off limits to bikes. Is the bike trail (there is only one) off limits to hikers?

    Why not just have all the trails designed and built for all users? Except maybe the super high pedestrian traffic areas where user conflict would prohibit bikes.

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    I got a chance at the end to speak with the lady who laid out the MTB trail section. The nicest part was that each of the 3 posters allowed for writing on them to address specific issues, comments, suggestions, etc. From the bulk of what I saw, climbers were out in full force and OBSESSED with it.

    Woody, what you indicated to me was basicly why the lady "tossed" (not in so many words) 10 miles of trail in that 1 sector. She was very open to speak with me in the future about bike trails and what we saw there was interestingly enough even more vague of a concept than I realized.

    She gave me all her contact info and asked that I send and/or call her with as much info as possible on MTB as I wanted.

    I took a pic of some of their charts and managed to meet some local climbers and hikers down there too. I got talked to alot b/c I had my tie on and people assumed I was with the company.
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    I was unable to make it to the meeting yesterday but wanted to post and let everyone know that I greatly appreciate their efforts. I am happy to see that any mountain biking trails are included in any of the proposed plans. This park and the apparent money behind it is WAY bigger than I first thought.

    I am going to look through the alternatives today and get a letter going. Woody, what do you think about comparing this park to Dupont as far as their trail designations go? To me it just makes sense to spread out all users as much as possible and make the high use, easy access areas hiking only.

    Butch, sounds like you made a great contact. Nice work.

    edit: Well, at first look, the Shumont trails designated for mountain biking seem like a pittance. Why do people think we want to ride around in circles? I want to go places and cover some ground. What about Paris Mountains model?
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    Details from the open house

    Here are some details and my comments from the open house meeting yesterday:

    -I was there for 3 hours talking with lots of folks (more on that later) and studying the 3 alternatives.

    -As Butch noted, there were tons of climbers who stopped in. Mountain bikers are worse than dirt bag climbers when it comes to public meetings and public planning process. Folks need to work on that, we need to be involved if we want more access. The least you could now do is to study the 3 proposals and send in a comment letter.

    -Talking points have changed. I did not expect that mountain biking would already be addressed in the plans, but sure enough 2 of the 3 alternatives allow for single track trails for knobby tires. We are making progress, thanks to all who have helped steer the ship in a better direction. Those of you who have not helped steer, can now throw an oar in the water and start paddling.

    -Alt. 2 and 3 call for a stacked loop mtb trail system in the NE corner of the park and up above Rumbling Bald, the area is referred to as Shumont Mountain Bike Trails. The minimum distance would be 10 miles, this comes from NC State Parks recommendation that for any park to offer mtn biking the mileage has to be 10 or more miles. That rule has some good but also some bad, it is what it is and maybe we can affect it later. Ten miles is not bad, certainly better than none.

    -Personally, I like the idea of an area in the park with a trail system dedicated to mountain bikes as the primary user. This means the trails would be designed and managed for mountain bikes, any other user would have to yield to use (not the other way around). We could be a bit more creative in the design process and not have to think about other users (in DuPont, we always have to build to accommodate horses which limits us).

    -If you want to see something other than that, then write such in your comment letter (you know, the one that everyone of you who reads this is going to write). Perhaps a suggestion of the concentrated mtn bike area but also one hike/bike large loop circumnavigating the area is a viable recommendation. I did listen to many folks making comments and lots of folks commenting on how they liked the mountain bikes being in a special area and having hiking only trails elsewhere. Let’s face it, some riders do not show respect when they pass other users on our public lands and many a hiker has been buzzed by a mountain biker going too fast.

    -The process is this: the planning/design team will take all feedback and go back and tweak the alternatives some. Then they will re-release the revised Alternatives notifying all who commented during this phase. After that, comments will again be accepted and they will work with the staff parks planning staff to select one of the alternatives as the official master plan for the park. That will likely happen in Fall 2010 (so get involved now).

    -We should push for the mountain bike area to be included in Alt 1, which they call the “Conservation Based Park” model. Why? Because mountain biking is compatible with the prescription for that model just like hiking and rock climbing are. Mountain biking is a low impact (and quiet) human powered recreation form that has similar impacts compared with hiking; it is not diametrically opposed to conservation values.

    -As a follow up, even the information they presented at the public open house states such (which I about fell over when I saw this). Use this link and scroll down to page 2 for trail typicals and descriptions:
    http://www.greenways.com/downloads/C...Facilities.pdf

    Here is what is says about mountain bike trails:
    “Due to their narrow width, single track mountain bike trails require the least amount of disturbance or support features of all the trails. Their minimal footprint provides opportunities for localized stormwater management solutions. Localizing the stormwater features on small scales along the network keeps trails available for year round use and requires little long term maintenance. Mountain bike trails are typically 18”-24” wide and have compacted bare earth or leaf litter surfacing”.

    WOW, this is huge. The above statement was on display at a state park planning meeting and the poster had NC state parks logo (with Greenways Inc. the planning firm). This should help us through the state with other state parks and smaller land managing agencies.

    -I talked with lots of folks including some I knew and others new to me. Spoke with the former mayor Jim Proctor who was mayor for 10 years: http://www.mayoroflakelure.com/ Jim and I climbed together some in the late 70’s and were part of the band of Charlotte folks who discovered and developed climbing at Rumbling Bald.

    A more important chat was had with Chris Braund, the city manager for Lake Lure. I did a day of consulting for Chris last year looking at a little City Park with a trail system (not very good system) and talking about trails in general. The city just received a Parks and Recreation Trust Fund Grant to buy 250 acres and they want to develop mountain bike trails. Chris rides and is a general outdoor guy and super cool. This land is very close to the proposed state park mountain bike trails so it is possible that the combined network could be 20+ miles, some on state parks and some on city parks. Chris noted they want to develop a trails and recreation plan for the property (required for the grant) and that could happen soon, and they want to hire Trail Dynamics to work with them on such. That is what I mostly do these days instead of working with Ed and the rest of our construction crew, in fact we just finished a trail plan for 5 miles of trail at Western CU.

    -All in all, very positive stuff and with many comments coming from you folks mountain bike trails will be in the final master plan in one form or another.

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    Done. Thanks Woody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman
    “Due to their narrow width, single track mountain bike trails require the least amount of disturbance or support features of all the trails.
    That is very pleasing to see and it is nice to see trails already included in the plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman
    Here are some details and my comments from the open house meeting yesterday:...
    -All in all, very positive stuff and with many comments coming from you folks mountain bike trails will be in the final master plan in one form or another.

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    Woody, the lady who laid out the MTB section was named [email protected] . She said she's happy to take input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizutch
    Woody, the lady who laid out the MTB section was named [email protected] . She said she's happy to take input.

    Yes, I also spoke to Brit during the open house (and all of the staff). Britt worked with the TORC SORBA chapter on a project down in the triangle area.

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    Deadline for comments is June 23rd (or something like that).

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    Only 1 day left! June 23 is the deadline for public comment on the Chimney Rock State Park master plan. You can post your comments online by following the link on this webpage: http://www.greenways.com/chimneyrock

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    Thanks for the reminder, C. I finally got around to it.

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    I shook the bushes down here in our area for all the comments we can round up.

    A Cliff Notes version of the proposals:

    #1 - Heavy on the conservation, no bike trails but plenty of hiking.
    #2 - Moderate improvement with a 10 mile bike loop.
    #3 - More extensive development but the same 10 mile loop.

    My preferred version was #2 but in section 10 I asked for longer loops for bikes and a tent/trailer campground with showers connected to trail.

    Please add a comment about properly designed bike trail being low impact and compatible with resource conservation as I understand that is still a big sticking point with many State Parks folks(surprise!).

    This is a huge change for NC State Parks to include bikes from the outset. Please send this around and let's send a big message of support! This should have an impact throughout the state so please respond today to be heard.

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    Get on it folks. Last day to comment. Even if you were at the meeting throw your online comments in the hat.

    I favored plan 2 but with the caveat that plan 1 with the inclusion of mtn bike trails would be the ideal. I also indicated that I would like to see all low use trails opened up to bikes. I personally don't like riding mtn bike specific trails. I don't have fun riding in sanitized circles and would much rather cover a ton of ground on some technical trail that I can not ride all of. I want to see the Chimney Rock Thru Hike trail bike legal.

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    Looks like the city of Lake Lure is getting in on the park game. Notice the distinct mention of multi-use trails for MTB!!!

    It was mentioned to me that the city plans to tie it into the entire State Park trail system. So if the city puts MTB into this segment and the State Park approves MTB trails (Park system guidelines require the MTB network to be a minimum of 10 miles), it's good, good news for bikes.

    Check the story here:
    http://www.citizen-times.com/article...WS01/100706025
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