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    Can someone give me a definitive on Ebikes being allowed or not at DuPont?

    Obviously, havenít been riding around lately, I know in the past their was no hard ruling on ebikes at DuPont. Has this changed? Thanks
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    NC Forest Website says ebikes are not allowed: https://www.dupontstaterecreationalf...es/Biking.aspx

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    No eBikes on the trails in DuPont. You can ride them on the forest roads, however.

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    According to the NC State Forest website.
    "​Self-propelled electric bicycles (E-Bikes) are not allowed on DSRF roads or trails."

    Do you have insider knowledge that says otherwise? I'd love to take my OneWheel on the forest roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDO View Post
    According to the NC State Forest website.
    "​Self-propelled electric bicycles (E-Bikes) are not allowed on DSRF roads or trails."

    Do you have insider knowledge that says otherwise? I'd love to take my OneWheel on the forest roads.
    No, I don't. I wasn't aware of that. I knew they were not allowed on the trails, as I was in the meetings with DSRF staff that made that decision. I didn't know it was the entire forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDO View Post
    According to the NC State Forest website.
    "​Self-propelled electric bicycles (E-Bikes) are not allowed on DSRF roads or trails."

    Do you have insider knowledge that says otherwise? I'd love to take my OneWheel on the forest roads.
    A OneWheel isn't a bike. I'd try and see if I could get away with it on a technicality.

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    Thanks for the info. Kinda blows, but Iíll follow the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutch View Post
    Thanks for the info. Kinda blows, but Iíll follow the rules.
    Last I heard ebikes were still allowed at Fire Mtn. I couldn't find anything on their site but it is listed on Trailforks as ebike legal. Could be a decent alternative for you. Or you could just be like the jerks at Kitsuma last weekend and ride your ebike wherever you want...(being sarcastic, thanks for not being a jerk).

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    Thanks for the advice, Iíll check it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    Last I heard ebikes were still allowed at Fire Mtn. I couldn't find anything on their site but it is listed on Trailforks as ebike legal. Could be a decent alternative for you. Or you could just be like the jerks at Kitsuma last weekend and ride your ebike wherever you want...(being sarcastic, thanks for not being a jerk).
    Every ebiker Iíve ever seen, was riding illegally. Largely, theyíre lawless, and self serving, at least in my experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Every ebiker Iíve ever seen, was riding illegally. Largely, theyíre lawless, and self serving, at least in my experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy G. Parrish View Post
    A OneWheel isn't a bike. I'd try and see if I could get away with it on a technicality.
    It still has a motor like an EBike.

    I was OneWheeling in Davidson River Campground and a Ranger chased me down, even though I was on pavement, and asked me if I was the perp riding the Estatoe Trail. I wasn't, but he gave me the rundown on how they were considered the same as e-bikes and not allowed on any trails in Pisgah. I would assume the same in Dupont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COTarHeel View Post
    Oh lawdy. This is what we're gonna do today? Fight?
    Dude, Iím just sharing my experience.


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    Was just at Dupont this past Saturday, saw a couple ebikes.......so the rules don't apply to some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    Was just at Dupont this past Saturday, saw a couple ebikes.......so the rules don't apply to some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDO View Post
    According to the NC State Forest website.
    "​Self-propelled electric bicycles (E-Bikes) are not allowed on DSRF roads or trails."

    Do you have insider knowledge that says otherwise? I'd love to take my OneWheel on the forest roads.
    That bold phrase is important. "Self-propelled" is different than "pedal assisted".

    If I were a lawyer, I'd argue a self propelled ebike is an ebike with a throttle and that per this statement/rule, a pedal assisted ebike without a throttle is allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    Was just at Dupont this past Saturday, saw a couple ebikes.......so the rules don't apply to some people.
    Like I said above, one could argue that an ebike with pedal assist only and no throttle is not a "self propelled" electric bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    Like I said above, one could argue that an ebike with pedal assist only and no throttle is not a "self propelled" electric bike.
    Currently they are classified as a motorized vehicle under the US Forest Travel Management Rule regardless. I ride ebikes occasionally but respect where they are allowed and hope you do the same. The matter isn't really open for argument, the forestry service specifically classifies them as a motor vehicle so...

    https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfs...tion/bicycling

    Dupont is clearly closed to ebikes.
    https://www.dupontstaterecreationalf...es/Biking.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    Currently they are classified as a motorized vehicle under the US Forest Travel Management Rule regardless. I ride ebikes occasionally but respect where they are allowed and hope you do the same. The matter isn't really open for argument, the forestry service specifically classifies them as a motor vehicle so...

    https://www.fs.usda.gov/activity/nfs...tion/bicycling

    Dupont is clearly closed to ebikes.
    https://www.dupontstaterecreationalf...es/Biking.aspx
    No doubt. I have a blast riding my ebike but have no problem taking my regular bike to places like Dupont if ebike's are not allowed. I didn't do a lot of research on what the rules are for Dupont. I was really just pointing out that the rule posted about "self propelled" bikes not being allowed in Dupont could possibly not include pedal assisted bikes. I don't really know if pedal assisted ebikes are allowed in Dupont or not. I've heard different answers from lots of different people, but one thing is for sure, one could make the argument that a "self propelled ebike" doesn't include ebikes with pedal assist only. If they didn't want ebikes of any kind in Dupont, the rule would've been much more clear and straight forward if they would have specified that "all ebikes" are not allowed instead of "self propelled ebikes" are not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    the rule would've been much more clear and straight forward if they would have specified that "all ebikes" are not allowed instead of "self propelled ebikes" are not allowed.
    while I don't know for sure, I would imagine that the land managers are trying to cover scenarios that they currently don't envision.

    You could make a contrary argument that the rule would be clearer as well, if they had specified that pedal assist only ebikes are okay, but others are not. But they did neither.

    This is what they say, exactly.

    Self-propelled electric bicycles (E-Bikes) are not allowed on DSRF roads or trails.
    They are not splitting ebikes up. They're not saying that the rule applies only to some ebikes and not others. They're saying that self-propelled electric bicycles (which they are clarifying by calling them ebikes) are not allowed. Period. You can give a solid argument that even pedal assist ebikes are STILL not 100% self propelled. They might not supply assist unless the rider is pedaling, but they're still supplying some proportion of their own power to propulsion.

    I suspect that they're acknowledging management realities in that it's kinda unreasonable to expect a limited staff to check ebikes for a throttle. As it is, it's hard enough for non-riders to distinguish any ebike from one that's 100% rider-powered. But at least that's something you can train people to do from a distance, even though they're likely to confuse Pinion and probably IGH bikes with ebikes from a distance.

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    Iíve never understood why this topic gets so clouded. The deciding/eliminating factor is the motor. These places do not allow conveyances with a motor, which ebikes have, it regardless of the throttle, whether it be a twist on the bars, or a pedal stroke. Itís really simple.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    No doubt. I have a blast riding my ebike but have no problem taking my regular bike to places like Dupont if ebike's are not allowed. I didn't do a lot of research on what the rules are for Dupont. I was really just pointing out that the rule posted about "self propelled" bikes not being allowed in Dupont could possibly not include pedal assisted bikes. I don't really know if pedal assisted ebikes are allowed in Dupont or not. I've heard different answers from lots of different people, but one thing is for sure, one could make the argument that a "self propelled ebike" doesn't include ebikes with pedal assist only. If they didn't want ebikes of any kind in Dupont, the rule would've been much more clear and straight forward if they would have specified that "all ebikes" are not allowed instead of "self propelled ebikes" are not allowed.
    Ebikes of any kind are not allowed in Dupont. I'm not trying to argue with you or start an argument. It is plainly written that ebikes are not permitted on trails or roads in Dupont. So it's a mute argument.

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    I'm not trying to start an argument either. I just think the way they phrased the rule with the "self-propelled" phrase is weird.

    If it were my land and I were writing the rules, using the phrase "self-propelled electric bike", to me, would leave open the opportunity for trail poachers to argue with a ranger or other cyclist, that their ebike isn't "self-propelled", because you have to pedal it to make it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    I'm not trying to start an argument either. I just think the way they phrased the rule with the "self-propelled" phrase is weird.

    If it were my land and I were writing the rules, using the phrase "self-propelled electric bike", to me, would leave open the opportunity for trail poachers to argue with a ranger or other cyclist, that their ebike isn't "self-propelled", because you have to pedal it to make it go.
    But then again, you have a more intimate idea of what ebikes actually are. As do most of us on mtbr. The people writing the rules? Can you expect the same of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    I'm not trying to start an argument either. I just think the way they phrased the rule with the "self-propelled" phrase is weird.

    If it were my land and I were writing the rules, using the phrase "self-propelled electric bike", to me, would leave open the opportunity for trail poachers to argue with a ranger or other cyclist, that their ebike isn't "self-propelled", because you have to pedal it to make it go.
    English is funny. To me, "self-propelled" make it even more clearly inclusive of pedal assist bikes as you yourSELF have to contribute power in order for the motor to assist your propulsion.

    But whatevs...

    I will take this opportunity to make a PSA in case any of the e-bikers I've seen road riding lately look here; please wear a helmet. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    But then again, you have a more intimate idea of what ebikes actually are. As do most of us on mtbr. The people writing the rules? Can you expect the same of them?
    No, I don't really expect the people who write the rules to have a vast amount of knowledge about ebikes. That's why it surprises me that the rule was written as specific as it was using the "self-propelled" wording.

    Like I said, if it were me wanting to put forth a rule to keep any bikes with any type of motor on it out of the park, and I didn't have intimate knowledge of ebikes, I wouldn't write the rule to specifically exclude a "self-propelled electric bike". I'd make the rule very wide ranging to include any bikes with any type of motor. It could be a rule as simple as "any bike with a motor/engine, is not allowed on any trails in the Dupont State Forest". That would pretty much exclude any type of ebike, pedal assist or not, or electric motorcycle, and give the rangers a pretty wide berth on enforcing the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    But then again, you have a more intimate idea of what ebikes actually are. As do most of us on mtbr. The people writing the rules? Can you expect the same of them?
    Harold,
    Speaking of Dupont and all, I'm heading to Hendersonville this weekend to visit inlaws now that he stay-at-home order is supposed to be lifted on Friday. I'm not sure how much rain they've had over on that side of the state, but we've been swamped here in the piedmont. I know a lot of the parking lots are closed due to the rona, but I have a shuttler to drop me off somewhere on Sky Valley and come pick me up when I'm done. Does it look like the trails are going to be really sloppy or the closed? Thanks.

    PS, I won't be bringing my ebike if it is dry enough to ride. Hahahahahaha.

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    This is from the Friends of Dupont. Arrived last night.

    "Excessive rainfall this week will leave trails susceptible to damage. Officials at DuPont State Recreational Forest (DSRF) are asking visitors to help protect trails by using gravel surfaces when hiking, biking and/or horseback riding. According to the National Weather Service, heavy rainfall is expected throughout the week and could produce flooding, landslides, debris flow and downed trees.

    With ongoing wet conditions, trail surfaces will be soft. Foot traffic, bicycles and equestrian users can cause erosion issues and rutting. Recreation Specialist Mary Smith says, ďGravel-surfaced roads and trails can tolerate use a bit more during inclement weather, preventing resource damage because the surface is more hardened by the gravel. Tread on natural dirt surface trails is at the highest risk for damage during inclement weather, with and without visitor traffic.Ē

    During your visit to DSRF, please pay attention to signage or barricades related to the trail closures. Be aware that all trails will be wet and may contain downed debris. Use trails at your own risk.

    Forest officials will continue to monitor conditions.

    Please help us spread the word and encourage family and friends to be good stewards of DuPont State Forest"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    Harold,
    Speaking of Dupont and all, I'm heading to Hendersonville this weekend to visit inlaws now that he stay-at-home order is supposed to be lifted on Friday. I'm not sure how much rain they've had over on that side of the state, but we've been swamped here in the piedmont. I know a lot of the parking lots are closed due to the rona, but I have a shuttler to drop me off somewhere on Sky Valley and come pick me up when I'm done. Does it look like the trails are going to be really sloppy or the closed? Thanks.
    It's going to be a slopfest there.

    My house is in one of the driest parts of WNC and I've had about 4.5" of rain in the past few days. Dupont area frequently gets twice the precip as my house, based on the past few years of reports I've paid attention to. From this storm, the rainfall maps I've seen are showing the band of heaviest rainfall in the vicinity of the escarpment. Yesterday, IIRC, the radio was saying Tryon had received over 14" of rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    It's going to be a slopfest there.

    My house is in one of the driest parts of WNC and I've had about 4.5" of rain in the past few days. Dupont area frequently gets twice the precip as my house, based on the past few years of reports I've paid attention to. From this storm, the rainfall maps I've seen are showing the band of heaviest rainfall in the vicinity of the escarpment. Yesterday, IIRC, the radio was saying Tryon had received over 14" of rain.
    Holy Smokes!!!! I would've never thought they had that much down there based on keeping an eye on the radar on my phone the last couple of days. Looks like the only riding I'll be doing is with kids on the paved trails at the parks.

    I guess it figures. Seems like about 90% of the time my family plans a visit to my wife's parents' place and I have a chance to ride some real mountain bike trails, it rains a ton.

    Thanks for the update Harold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    Holy Smokes!!!! I would've never thought they had that much down there based on keeping an eye on the radar on my phone the last couple of days. Looks like the only riding I'll be doing is with kids on the paved trails at the parks.

    I guess it figures. Seems like about 90% of the time my family plans a visit to my wife's parents' place and I have a chance to ride some real mountain bike trails, it rains a ton.

    Thanks for the update Harold.
    Couple summers ago, the area around Saluda got around 40" of rain in the month of May alone.

    I'm seeing the sun right now at my house for the first time in a few days. It hasn't been raining terribly heavy the whole time (at my house). Sure, there have been downpours, but it's been pretty steady and light practically the whole time. Those areas that got more rain, certainly, had more heavy downpours. Here's the current map showing the 7 day precip. It seems pretty good. It shows my area sitting right at the boundary between the 4" and 5" of rainfall, so I'd roughly trust it. It shows Dupont sitting somewhere in the 5-8" range. Not quite double what my house got, but still notably more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Couple summers ago, the area around Saluda got around 40" of rain in the month of May alone.

    I'm seeing the sun right now at my house for the first time in a few days. It hasn't been raining terribly heavy the whole time (at my house). Sure, there have been downpours, but it's been pretty steady and light practically the whole time. Those areas that got more rain, certainly, had more heavy downpours. Here's the current map showing the 7 day precip. It seems pretty good. It shows my area sitting right at the boundary between the 4" and 5" of rainfall, so I'd roughly trust it. It shows Dupont sitting somewhere in the 5-8" range. Not quite double what my house got, but still notably more.

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    I remember that year you guys had all that rain. I remember my father-in-law tell me that month that at his house, he had measured almost 12" of rain in one 5-day span. Said it was more than the record monthly rainfall for his area in 5 days. Crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MX9799 View Post
    Like I said above, one could argue that an ebike with pedal assist only and no throttle is not a "self propelled" electric bike.
    If you want to argue the details, on any ebike with walk assist which is pretty much any class 1, push a button, the bike moves on its own = self propelled.

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    It's a holiday weekend and on top of that stay at home orders will be lifted...Dupont is going to be a circus. The prolonged period of rain definitely won't help... They should just close it until trail conditions improve. Expecting a holiday crowd of tourists to just stay on gravel and be able to determine what is too soft to ride isn't going to go well...just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    It's a holiday weekend and on top of that stay at home orders will be lifted...Dupont is going to be a circus. The prolonged period of rain definitely won't help... They should just close it until trail conditions improve. Expecting a holiday crowd of tourists to just stay on gravel and be able to determine what is too soft to ride isn't going to go well...just saying.
    Yeah, I texted my FIL last night and he's had a ton of rain this week and more is forecast through the weekend. Doubt I'll go to Dupont this weekend unless the forecast is a bust and it's hot and sunny enough today and tomorrow to dry the trails up enough for a Sunday afternoon or Monday morning ride. I can deal with the crowds, but I don't really care much for riding really muddy and slippery trails.

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    It's important to differentiate large storm systems, like we had earlier this week, and passing summer showers, which pop up randomly in random locations and often last less than 15-20 minutes. The former can saturate the ground and create a bunch of issues, the latter, not really worth consideration, they'll happen many afternoons between now and fall and rarely drop enough rain to be an issue.

    Unfortunately, most forecasts rarely differentiate unless you read the discussion on it. So you'll see 'rain', but it's anyones guess where it'll pop up and how long it'll last.

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    Every ebiker Iíve ever seen, was riding illegally. Largely, theyíre lawless, and self serving, at least in my experience.
    All the ebikers I've met were disabled in some way and the bike allowed them to get out into the forest in ways they otherwise wouldn't. So maybe our anecdotal experiences don't represent the entire population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adodero View Post
    It's important to differentiate large storm systems, like we had earlier this week, and passing summer showers, which pop up randomly in random locations and often last less than 15-20 minutes. The former can saturate the ground and create a bunch of issues, the latter, not really worth consideration, they'll happen many afternoons between now and fall and rarely drop enough rain to be an issue.

    Unfortunately, most forecasts rarely differentiate unless you read the discussion on it. So you'll see 'rain', but it's anyones guess where it'll pop up and how long it'll last.
    Very true. If a big dump happens in a short period of time, the soil's infiltration capacity is quickly overwhelmed and the rest becomes surface runoff. It'll do a number to any poorly consolidated soil, but once it's done falling, the damage is more or less over.

    When that rain falls more slowly over the course of several days (or longer), more of it filters into the soil and saturates things, and it takes longer for it to dry out.

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    All the ebikers I've met were disabled in some way and the bike allowed them to get out into the forest in ways they otherwise wouldn't. So maybe our anecdotal experiences don't represent the entire population?
    I've seen a few obviously disabled riders on ebikes over the years. One guy in particular I've seen in Pisgah a couple of times. He's still riding illegally, even if he's disabled. ebikes don't count as a mobility device under disability law, as far as I understand (no bicycle does). I do agree with you about the lawless/self-serving part. There are certainly plenty of people like that, though (I've encountered those with increasing frequency the past few years).

    From what I've observed, most people who buy ebikes don't understand the regulations that govern their use on public land. I've encountered people who were lied to by shops, even. I was at the trailhead at Tsali once where an older guy (on a regular bike) was with a young lady (daughter? granddaughter?) on an ebike. There were signs all over the parking lot about ebikes being prohibited and he was confused because a shop had told him that ebikes could ride there. I know an older German lady who bought one so she could keep up with her teenage son (who's a fit beast on the bike) and didn't understand how rules in the US differed drastically from those in Germany until after she bought the thing. Then there are the guys who buy them and the increased speed of them on climbs allows them to be even more inconsiderate of others around them, and even create some unsafe scenarios due to the unexpected closing speed differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adodero View Post


    All the ebikers I've met were disabled in some way and the bike allowed them to get out into the forest in ways they otherwise wouldn't. So maybe our anecdotal experiences don't represent the entire population?
    Absolutely, and I didnít mean to imply otherwise, just commenting on my experience. Of the 15 or so Iíve seen, none were handicapped, that I could tell. And as Harold mentioned, doesnít matter anyway, itís still illegal. They were mostly young. One particular douchebag, that Iíve seen on several different occasions is 60, claims to have ďregularĒ bikes too, says he uses his ebike because he can cover more ground, in a shorter period of time. The guy is an a$$hole. Blows by climbers with zero regard for the safety of other bikers, and dogs. Iíve confronted him. He has a schtick. When I informed him they were illegal, he asked ďwhyĒ. Uh, the motor, duh. He then went on to tell me why, because heís ďhad conversations with both PAS, and the forest service and the ONLY reason is rescueĒ, then he starts in on some bullshit about marijuana being illegal too, but that ainít stopping people from smoking. Hes a tool, and Heís in the pisgah often.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    One particular douchebag, that Iíve seen on several different occasions is 60, claims to have ďregularĒ bikes too, says he uses his ebike because he can cover more ground, in a shorter period of time. The guy is an a$$hole. Blows by climbers with zero regard for the safety of other bikers, and dogs. Iíve confronted him. He has a schtick. When I informed him they were illegal, he asked ďwhyĒ. Uh, the motor, duh. He then went on to tell me why, because heís ďhad conversations with both PAS, and the forest service and the ONLY reason is rescueĒ, then he starts in on some bullshit about marijuana being illegal too, but that ainít stopping people from smoking. Hes a tool, and Heís in the pisgah often.
    I think I know who you're talking about. he's on an e-fatbike? sneaks up on you on gravel climbs without saying a word until he's right alongside you and passes WAY too close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    I think I know who you're talking about. he's on an e-fatbike? sneaks up on you on gravel climbs without saying a word until he's right alongside you and passes WAY too close?
    Definitely the same behavior. Every time Iíve seen him, heís been on a carbon fully something, maybe Luna? Iím told he has a few ebikes, maybe one is a fat bike. The first time I encountered him, I was climbing, and he was literally squeezing past me before I even knew he was there. Definitely a WTF moment. Almost hit my dog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    Definitely the same behavior. Every time Iíve seen him, heís been on a carbon fully something, maybe Luna? Iím told he has a few ebikes, maybe one is a fat bike. The first time I encountered him, I was climbing, and he was literally squeezing past me before I even knew he was there. Definitely a WTF moment. Almost hit my dog.


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    Yup. same douche.

    The last time I encountered him was last year. I can't remember exactly where the encounter happened, but I was riding with a few friends and we were doing a maxwell black ride. I saw him out of the corner of my eye on the other side of the valley a few hundred feet back. Too far away and too peripherally to be able to tell he was on an e-anything. We were hitting a steep spot, so I returned my focus on what I was riding. My friends and I were grouped fairly closely on the inside of the corner. Douche flies up taking an even more inside line and threads between all of us with a cheerful "hello" while we're all yelling "whoa!" and swerving to the side to avoid tangling handlebars.

    totally a passive-aggressive sort of pass if I've ever seen one. there was 3/4 of the width of the gravel road completely open that he could have used to pass safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold View Post
    Yup. same douche.

    The last time I encountered him was last year. I can't remember exactly where the encounter happened, but I was riding with a few friends and we were doing a maxwell black ride. I saw him out of the corner of my eye on the other side of the valley a few hundred feet back. Too far away and too peripherally to be able to tell he was on an e-anything. We were hitting a steep spot, so I returned my focus on what I was riding. My friends and I were grouped fairly closely on the inside of the corner. Douche flies up taking an even more inside line and threads between all of us with a cheerful "hello" while we're all yelling "whoa!" and swerving to the side to avoid tangling handlebars.

    totally a passive-aggressive sort of pass if I've ever seen one. there was 3/4 of the width of the gravel road completely open that he could have used to pass safely.
    Ask him to smile for his portrait. Send it to the land manager.

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